Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread gene heskett 
On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 03:09:57 AM Andy Howell did opine:

> On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> > I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> > 
> > I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> > anything I want".
> > 
> > Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
> > designed to work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> > 
> > At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although
> > I would prefer Linux.
> 
> Igor,
> 
>   I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to 
machining,
> cad/cam etc, so I can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I
> run it under Ubuntu. It works under windows as well. See
> http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   Andy

>From my POV, HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC for linux is a disaster as its several 
versions (0.13) behind the windows issue (0.18) and missing stuff in 
wholesale quantities.  Using wine on this pclos box, heekscad for winderz 
seems to run well and stably once you click through about 25 xml errors on 
startup.  But I have not been able to locate any beginner oriented 
printable tutorials for it.  A URL for that would be highly appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread Andy Howell 
On 05/31/2011 03:03 AM, gene heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 03:09:57 AM Andy Howell did opine:
> 
>> On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
>>> I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
>>>
>>> I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
>>> anything I want".
>>>
>>> Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
>>> designed to work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
>>>
>>> At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although
>>> I would prefer Linux.
>>
>> Igor,
>>
>>  I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to 
> machining,
>> cad/cam etc, so I can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I
>> run it under Ubuntu. It works under windows as well. See
>> http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  Andy
> 
>>From my POV, HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC for linux is a disaster as its several 
> versions (0.13) behind the windows issue (0.18) and missing stuff in 
> wholesale quantities.  Using wine on this pclos box, heekscad for winderz 
> seems to run well and stably once you click through about 25 xml errors on 
> startup.  But I have not been able to locate any beginner oriented 
> printable tutorials for it.  A URL for that would be highly appreciated.
> 

Gene,

I built it from source, which is pretty straight forward. I did have to 
fix some problems
in the EMC2.py script. Those changes are checked in. There are three different 
EMC
'machines' defined. I fixed the firth first one, "EMC2 Controler'.

There are some docs and links under http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/

I've found a number of tutorials on YouTube. It would be nice to have a 
tutorial that took
something simple from a hand drawn sketch, into heekscnc, and then milled using 
EMC2.

I ended up starting with HeeksCNC because I could not find any other open 
source packages
that handled both the CAD and CAM aspects. QCad has a CAM option, but its not 
free.

Being new to all this, its taking me awhile to figure out how all the pieces 
fit together :)

Regards,

Andy
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread James Louis 
Igor,
"Inexpensive" CAD CAM is a very relative term.  I use AlibreCAM in my home 
shop, and it has an EMC post processor.  You can check out their tutorials on 
YouTube.
Cheers, jim

- Original Message -
From: Igor Chudov 
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Sent: Tue May 31 00:19:36 2011
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

Andy, ideally, I would like to hear an opinion of a seasoned user, who made
plenty of parts using a particular CAD/CAM package.

Many software projects look great upon the first initial impression. Later,
real life problems crop up and many of those promising projects end up in
the "does not really work" pile.

What I really want to know is to hear something like "I used program XYZ to
make a lot of metal parts and it is really great".

In response to my question, I expected to hear answers such as "look at
this" and "that looks interesting", but this is decidedly not what I am
looking for. I am looking for an opinion of a seasoned user who is satisfied
with sufficient amount of usage experience with a particular project.

i


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Andy Howell  wrote:

> On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> > I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> >
> > I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> anything
> > I want".
> >
> > Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible, designed
> to
> > work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> >
> > At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although I
> > would prefer Linux.
> >
>
> Igor,
>
>I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
> machining, cad/cam etc, so I
> can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I run it under Ubuntu.
> It works under
> windows as well. See http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
>
> Regards,
>
>Andy
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Dell D610 laptop success?

2011-05-31 Thread Maximilian H 

Hello,

I tried a Dell Latidude D600 about 8 months back with EMC2 10.04. The
D600 is the predecessor to the D610. They have the same accessoires,
docking station, screen. CPU and mainboard are different, afaik.

I could install without problems, but the laptop frooze after a few
hours of usage of EMC2. Latency test was ok for using servos, too.

This did not happen with a "normal" ubuntu installation, so I think that
the freeze was due to RTAI. I never investigated further into the cause
of the freeze after a few hours. Might have been power managment issues,
fan speed control, etc.

BR
Max.



> Peter,
> 
> I have a very old Dell Latitude laptop, so old I forgot the exact type :)
> but I run EMC on top of it reliable and with very good latency numbers.
> 
> However, I had to make a little script that does two things:
> 
> 1) Turn on the fans at full speed.
> 2) Turn of SMI (System Management Interrupt)
> 
> With the Debian CD (6.x??) I couldn't run RTAI, however with my own
> compiled kernel it worked flawless.
> 
> This is a very good read 
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting#RTAI_Latency_test
> 
> Ries
> 
> On May 30, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Peter Loron wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the pointers. I'll give the live CD a shot tomorrow and 
>> definitely add them to the wiki.
>>
>> I'm going to be using stepper motors.
>>
>> I actually have 5 of the D610 laptops...picked them up for free...the 
>> company IT department was scrapping them.
>>
>> -Pete
>>
>> On May 30, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/30/2011 8:20 PM, Peter Loron wrote:
 Hello, folks. I'm in the process of getting parts for a small CNC mill. I 
 have a Dell D610 laptop I'm hoping to use for running EMC2. I know there 
 are issues with some laptops.

 Has anybody had experience with trying to run EMC2 on a D610?

 Thanks!

 -Pete
>>> Hi, Pete.
>>>
>>> The wiki and the email archives will give you a sense of the general 
>>> disfavor of laptops.
>>>
>>> Since you already have the D610 on hand, download the EMC2 LiveCD and 
>>> run the latency test, preferably for longer than you contemplate a job 
>>> would take on your mill. Look at the numbers and compare to the latency 
>>> test results on the wiki (and add them to the wiki, pretty please!)
>>>
>>> You don't say whether you plan to use steppers or servos. The choice may 
>>> make the difference if your latency test numbers are moderately high.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kent
>>>
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread R. van Twisk 
Igor,

I have been doing a traject at a shipyard implementing a CAD/CAM solution.

And the reality is that you might have personal opinions on how to work,
would you like to work parametric, or not for example. 

Pro/Egineer (at that time) was a strong parametric tool, Solidwork 
was much less (you can 'fool around) and at that time Inventor was just a mess.
But, any of the 3 pages would just work very well in specific situation, and 
with specific
users.

I can strongly recommend Pro/Engineet Wildfire, and I have loaded g-code from 
Pro/E
into EMC2 without issues. But saying this, makes properly others people back
hair stand up straight :D

It's really up to you, check your budgets, and check what tools are available 
and what
the general audience do with the tools. Then just try it out, this is really 
the only
good way for you to find a CAD package that will fit you.

In general all CAD packages can do what you what, however the gotcha is, how
easy can do do that?? I can only speak for Pro/E but if I change my model,
then Pro/E can re-generate all toolpath's without re-doing all that work, just
click 're-generate toolpath' this works very will if you use one model 
frequently
with changed dimensions. If you don't do this, then you might not want to go 
through
the burden understanding this workflow and use a CAD package with a external CAM
package that keep the relation, but might just be a whole lot cheaper.

just my 2 cents...

Ries



On May 31, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Igor Chudov wrote:

> Andy, ideally, I would like to hear an opinion of a seasoned user, who made
> plenty of parts using a particular CAD/CAM package.
> 
> Many software projects look great upon the first initial impression. Later,
> real life problems crop up and many of those promising projects end up in
> the "does not really work" pile.
> 
> What I really want to know is to hear something like "I used program XYZ to
> make a lot of metal parts and it is really great".
> 
> In response to my question, I expected to hear answers such as "look at
> this" and "that looks interesting", but this is decidedly not what I am
> looking for. I am looking for an opinion of a seasoned user who is satisfied
> with sufficient amount of usage experience with a particular project.
> 
> i
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Andy Howell  wrote:
> 
>> On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
>>> I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
>>> 
>>> I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
>> anything
>>> I want".
>>> 
>>> Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible, designed
>> to
>>> work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
>>> 
>>> At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although I
>>> would prefer Linux.
>>> 
>> 
>> Igor,
>> 
>>   I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
>> machining, cad/cam etc, so I
>> can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I run it under Ubuntu.
>> It works under
>> windows as well. See http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>   Andy
>> 
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread Igor Chudov 
Ries, thanks. Creo Elements/Pro is a full CAD/CAM package and has EMC2
compatible output. Right?

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:03 AM, R. van Twisk  wrote:

> Igor,
>
> I have been doing a traject at a shipyard implementing a CAD/CAM solution.
>
> And the reality is that you might have personal opinions on how to work,
> would you like to work parametric, or not for example.
>
> Pro/Egineer (at that time) was a strong parametric tool, Solidwork
> was much less (you can 'fool around) and at that time Inventor was just a
> mess.
> But, any of the 3 pages would just work very well in specific situation,
> and with specific
> users.
>
> I can strongly recommend Pro/Engineet Wildfire, and I have loaded g-code
> from Pro/E
> into EMC2 without issues. But saying this, makes properly others people
> back
> hair stand up straight :D
>
> It's really up to you, check your budgets, and check what tools are
> available and what
> the general audience do with the tools. Then just try it out, this is
> really the only
> good way for you to find a CAD package that will fit you.
>
> In general all CAD packages can do what you what, however the gotcha is,
> how
> easy can do do that?? I can only speak for Pro/E but if I change my model,
> then Pro/E can re-generate all toolpath's without re-doing all that work,
> just
> click 're-generate toolpath' this works very will if you use one model
> frequently
> with changed dimensions. If you don't do this, then you might not want to
> go through
> the burden understanding this workflow and use a CAD package with a
> external CAM
> package that keep the relation, but might just be a whole lot cheaper.
>
> just my 2 cents...
>
> Ries
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Igor Chudov wrote:
>
> > Andy, ideally, I would like to hear an opinion of a seasoned user, who
> made
> > plenty of parts using a particular CAD/CAM package.
> >
> > Many software projects look great upon the first initial impression.
> Later,
> > real life problems crop up and many of those promising projects end up in
> > the "does not really work" pile.
> >
> > What I really want to know is to hear something like "I used program XYZ
> to
> > make a lot of metal parts and it is really great".
> >
> > In response to my question, I expected to hear answers such as "look at
> > this" and "that looks interesting", but this is decidedly not what I am
> > looking for. I am looking for an opinion of a seasoned user who is
> satisfied
> > with sufficient amount of usage experience with a particular project.
> >
> > i
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Andy Howell  wrote:
> >
> >> On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> >>> I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> >>>
> >>> I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> >> anything
> >>> I want".
> >>>
> >>> Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
> designed
> >> to
> >>> work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> >>>
> >>> At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although I
> >>> would prefer Linux.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Igor,
> >>
> >>   I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
> >> machining, cad/cam etc, so I
> >> can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I run it under
> Ubuntu.
> >> It works under
> >> windows as well. See http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>   Andy
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread Igor Chudov 
Thanks, Jim. i am looking at it now. While it is kind of shocking to pay as
much money as I paid for my CNC Bridgeport conversion, if a product is good,
it may make sense.

I found Alibre Design Expert on a certain pirate bay. I will try to evaluate
it.

Thanks a lot for the pointer. Which Alibre CAM do you use?

i


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:02 AM, James Louis
wrote:

> Igor,
> "Inexpensive" CAD CAM is a very relative term.  I use AlibreCAM in my home
> shop, and it has an EMC post processor.  You can check out their tutorials
> on YouTube.
> Cheers, jim
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Igor Chudov 
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> Sent: Tue May 31 00:19:36 2011
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling
>
> Andy, ideally, I would like to hear an opinion of a seasoned user, who made
> plenty of parts using a particular CAD/CAM package.
>
> Many software projects look great upon the first initial impression. Later,
> real life problems crop up and many of those promising projects end up in
> the "does not really work" pile.
>
> What I really want to know is to hear something like "I used program XYZ to
> make a lot of metal parts and it is really great".
>
> In response to my question, I expected to hear answers such as "look at
> this" and "that looks interesting", but this is decidedly not what I am
> looking for. I am looking for an opinion of a seasoned user who is
> satisfied
> with sufficient amount of usage experience with a particular project.
>
> i
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Andy Howell  wrote:
>
> > On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> > > I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> > >
> > > I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> > anything
> > > I want".
> > >
> > > Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
> designed
> > to
> > > work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> > >
> > > At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although I
> > > would prefer Linux.
> > >
> >
> > Igor,
> >
> >I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
> > machining, cad/cam etc, so I
> > can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I run it under
> Ubuntu.
> > It works under
> > windows as well. See http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >Andy
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread James Louis 
Igor,

I use Standard, but for 4-Axis you will need AlibreCAM Professional.

jim

-Original Message-
From: Igor Chudov [mailto:ichu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:16 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

Thanks, Jim. i am looking at it now. While it is kind of shocking to pay as
much money as I paid for my CNC Bridgeport conversion, if a product is good,
it may make sense.

I found Alibre Design Expert on a certain pirate bay. I will try to evaluate
it.

Thanks a lot for the pointer. Which Alibre CAM do you use?

i


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:02 AM, James Louis
wrote:

> Igor,
> "Inexpensive" CAD CAM is a very relative term.  I use AlibreCAM in my home
> shop, and it has an EMC post processor.  You can check out their tutorials
> on YouTube.
> Cheers, jim
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Igor Chudov 
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> Sent: Tue May 31 00:19:36 2011
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling
>
> Andy, ideally, I would like to hear an opinion of a seasoned user, who made
> plenty of parts using a particular CAD/CAM package.
>
> Many software projects look great upon the first initial impression. Later,
> real life problems crop up and many of those promising projects end up in
> the "does not really work" pile.
>
> What I really want to know is to hear something like "I used program XYZ to
> make a lot of metal parts and it is really great".
>
> In response to my question, I expected to hear answers such as "look at
> this" and "that looks interesting", but this is decidedly not what I am
> looking for. I am looking for an opinion of a seasoned user who is
> satisfied
> with sufficient amount of usage experience with a particular project.
>
> i
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Andy Howell  wrote:
>
> > On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> > > I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> > >
> > > I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> > anything
> > > I want".
> > >
> > > Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
> designed
> > to
> > > work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> > >
> > > At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although I
> > > would prefer Linux.
> > >
> >
> > Igor,
> >
> >I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
> > machining, cad/cam etc, so I
> > can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I run it under
> Ubuntu.
> > It works under
> > windows as well. See http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >Andy
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread Igor Chudov 
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:35 AM, James Louis
wrote:

> Igor,
>
> I use Standard, but for 4-Axis you will need AlibreCAM Professional.
>
>

Thanks. With the standard AlibreCAM, though, I can do all "2.5D" stuff,
right? Pocketing and so on?

Igor



> jim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Igor Chudov [mailto:ichu...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:16 AM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling
>
> Thanks, Jim. i am looking at it now. While it is kind of shocking to pay as
> much money as I paid for my CNC Bridgeport conversion, if a product is
> good,
> it may make sense.
>
> I found Alibre Design Expert on a certain pirate bay. I will try to
> evaluate
> it.
>
> Thanks a lot for the pointer. Which Alibre CAM do you use?
>
> i
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:02 AM, James Louis
> wrote:
>
> > Igor,
> > "Inexpensive" CAD CAM is a very relative term.  I use AlibreCAM in my
> home
> > shop, and it has an EMC post processor.  You can check out their
> tutorials
> > on YouTube.
> > Cheers, jim
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Igor Chudov 
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> > Sent: Tue May 31 00:19:36 2011
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling
> >
> > Andy, ideally, I would like to hear an opinion of a seasoned user, who
> made
> > plenty of parts using a particular CAD/CAM package.
> >
> > Many software projects look great upon the first initial impression.
> Later,
> > real life problems crop up and many of those promising projects end up in
> > the "does not really work" pile.
> >
> > What I really want to know is to hear something like "I used program XYZ
> to
> > make a lot of metal parts and it is really great".
> >
> > In response to my question, I expected to hear answers such as "look at
> > this" and "that looks interesting", but this is decidedly not what I am
> > looking for. I am looking for an opinion of a seasoned user who is
> > satisfied
> > with sufficient amount of usage experience with a particular project.
> >
> > i
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Andy Howell  wrote:
> >
> > > On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> > > > I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> > > >
> > > > I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> > > anything
> > > > I want".
> > > >
> > > > Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
> > designed
> > > to
> > > > work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> > > >
> > > > At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although
> I
> > > > would prefer Linux.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Igor,
> > >
> > >I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
> > > machining, cad/cam etc, so I
> > > can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I run it under
> > Ubuntu.
> > > It works under
> > > windows as well. See http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread James Louis 
Yes, and the post processor is customizable too.  jim

-Original Message-
From: Igor Chudov [mailto:ichu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:40 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:35 AM, James Louis
wrote:

> Igor,
>
> I use Standard, but for 4-Axis you will need AlibreCAM Professional.
>
>

Thanks. With the standard AlibreCAM, though, I can do all "2.5D" stuff,
right? Pocketing and so on?

Igor



> jim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Igor Chudov [mailto:ichu...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:16 AM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling
>
> Thanks, Jim. i am looking at it now. While it is kind of shocking to pay as
> much money as I paid for my CNC Bridgeport conversion, if a product is
> good,
> it may make sense.
>
> I found Alibre Design Expert on a certain pirate bay. I will try to
> evaluate
> it.
>
> Thanks a lot for the pointer. Which Alibre CAM do you use?
>
> i
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:02 AM, James Louis
> wrote:
>
> > Igor,
> > "Inexpensive" CAD CAM is a very relative term.  I use AlibreCAM in my
> home
> > shop, and it has an EMC post processor.  You can check out their
> tutorials
> > on YouTube.
> > Cheers, jim
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Igor Chudov 
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> > Sent: Tue May 31 00:19:36 2011
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling
> >
> > Andy, ideally, I would like to hear an opinion of a seasoned user, who
> made
> > plenty of parts using a particular CAD/CAM package.
> >
> > Many software projects look great upon the first initial impression.
> Later,
> > real life problems crop up and many of those promising projects end up in
> > the "does not really work" pile.
> >
> > What I really want to know is to hear something like "I used program XYZ
> to
> > make a lot of metal parts and it is really great".
> >
> > In response to my question, I expected to hear answers such as "look at
> > this" and "that looks interesting", but this is decidedly not what I am
> > looking for. I am looking for an opinion of a seasoned user who is
> > satisfied
> > with sufficient amount of usage experience with a particular project.
> >
> > i
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Andy Howell  wrote:
> >
> > > On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> > > > I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> > > >
> > > > I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> > > anything
> > > > I want".
> > > >
> > > > Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
> > designed
> > > to
> > > > work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> > > >
> > > > At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based, although
> I
> > > > would prefer Linux.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Igor,
> > >
> > >I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
> > > machining, cad/cam etc, so I
> > > can't comment on how it compares to other packages. I run it under
> > Ubuntu.
> > > It works under
> > > windows as well. See http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread John Prentice 

- Original Message - 
From: "Igor Chudov" 
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling


>
> Ries, thanks. Creo Elements/Pro is a full CAD/CAM package and has EMC2
> compatible output. Right?
>

Igor - pardon me jumping in here

Creo Elements/Pro  (was Pro|Engineer Wildfire 5.0) will generate good G-code 
for all sorts of milling up to full 5 axis stuff. It has a generic post 
processor with a menu driven confguration program to configure the details 
of the G-code output. This program allows you to define the architecture of 
your "rotary" axes - trunnion, wrist etc. For the brave, there are other 
tools that allow you to control the code in very detailed ways (e.g. FIL)

Commercial seats of this product is not cheap and the educational versions 
are limited in CAM capability.

The learning curve is steep. There are many historical GUIs in the software. 
There is a lot of stuff on U-tube but it mainly relates to Wildfire 4.0 (or 
earlier) The NC Manufacturing module GUI has changed dramatically for 
Creo/Elements Pro. Undergraduate students, who use Pro|E CAD regularly, can 
machine their first part after about 6 hours of study.

Workflow for prototyping shops is very good, as the manufacturing model is 
fully associative with the 3D part modelled in the CAD parts of the package. 
Change a pocket size or depth, re-run the creation of the CL data and G-code 
files and it will cut the new part. CAM solutions based in importing IGES 
are a problem as you often have to redefine all the cutting sequences for 
the new version of the file.

You also get a version of Vericut which gives an accurate preview of 
machining including possible interference of tool holders with stock or 
fixturing.

HTH
John Prentice 


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[Emc-users] [OT] Re: No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread Kent A. Reed 
On 5/31/2011 8:03 AM, R. van Twisk wrote:
> Igor,
>
> I have been doing a traject at a shipyard implementing a CAD/CAM solution.
Gentle persons (and apologies to Mr. van Twisk):

All of us make mistakes in typing; it goes with the territory.

Nevertheless, I love this typographically invented word "traject". It 
feels like a cross between "tragedy" and "project" and I'll bet I'm not 
the only one who has worked on "trajects" :-)

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread Igor Chudov 
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:19 AM, John Prentice <
j...@castlewd.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Igor Chudov" 
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling
>
>
> >
> > Ries, thanks. Creo Elements/Pro is a full CAD/CAM package and has EMC2
> > compatible output. Right?
> >
>
> Igor - pardon me jumping in here
>
> Creo Elements/Pro  (was Pro|Engineer Wildfire 5.0) will generate good
> G-code
> for all sorts of milling up to full 5 axis stuff. It has a generic post
> processor with a menu driven confguration program to configure the details
> of the G-code output. This program allows you to define the architecture of
> your "rotary" axes - trunnion, wrist etc. For the brave, there are other
> tools that allow you to control the code in very detailed ways (e.g. FIL)
>
> Commercial seats of this product is not cheap and the educational versions
> are limited in CAM capability.
>
>
John, as far as I can tell, just about every powerful CAD/CAM system has a
steep learning curve. So, I want to settle on one thing that  may be hard to
learn, but at least has the capabilities that i need (4 axis).

Cost is a concern. Personally, I have no ingrained respect for copyright ,
as such.

thanks

i

The learning curve is steep. There are many historical GUIs in the software.
> There is a lot of stuff on U-tube but it mainly relates to Wildfire 4.0 (or
> earlier) The NC Manufacturing module GUI has changed dramatically for
> Creo/Elements Pro. Undergraduate students, who use Pro|E CAD regularly, can
> machine their first part after about 6 hours of study.
>
> Workflow for prototyping shops is very good, as the manufacturing model is
> fully associative with the 3D part modelled in the CAD parts of the
> package.
> Change a pocket size or depth, re-run the creation of the CL data and
> G-code
> files and it will cut the new part. CAM solutions based in importing IGES
> are a problem as you often have to redefine all the cutting sequences for
> the new version of the file.
>
> You also get a version of Vericut which gives an accurate preview of
> machining including possible interference of tool holders with stock or
> fixturing.
>
> HTH
> John Prentice
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re: No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread R. van Twisk 
Kent,

not a problem.

We estimated the RIO of the tools within 6 months,
(two seats, two times Pro/E, Two times high and computers, two times all 
training)
unfortunately RIO not met in 6 months, 
and it turned out to be one year. After that we saved money. Something
that was pretty good when we looked back at it.

What I was trying to say, and may be I wasn't clear is that Igor should
do his own traject, and it's not possible to say with CAD/CAM ' if it
works for you, it will work for me, even though our parts we make are 
different).

There is some personal issues going on here, since each CAD/CAM package has it's
own way of working (Catia vs Inventor vs SolidWorks vs Pro/E etc.. etc..), some 
people
like it some methods, others don't like specific methods.

It's about asking the right questions to yourself, like I said, if you make a 
lot of repeated
parts with different dimensions, then you need to make sure your CAM package
does integrate very well with the CAD package. If you don't make repeated parts,
then you can also take a other CAM package that might be much cheaper.
Do you need or not need constrains, do you need to create 2D drawings out of 3D 
files,
what export/import formats do you need. We don't know that from Igors posts

Ries



On May 31, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:

> On 5/31/2011 8:03 AM, R. van Twisk wrote:
>> Igor,
>> 
>> I have been doing a traject at a shipyard implementing a CAD/CAM solution.
> Gentle persons (and apologies to Mr. van Twisk):
> 
> All of us make mistakes in typing; it goes with the territory.
> 
> Nevertheless, I love this typographically invented word "traject". It 
> feels like a cross between "tragedy" and "project" and I'll bet I'm not 
> the only one who has worked on "trajects" :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Kent
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re: No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread H & J Johnson 
Ries, I'm curious as to how you calculated or quantified your RIO on your 
CAD/CAM package?  I've been looking for a direct way 
to do this for years, w/ little in the way of clear or concise results.

I completely agree with your assessment of CAD/CAM and it's level of 
integration. I've done CAM both ways [integrated and stand alone] 
and much prefer the integrated. There are times when you get a design and 
aren't sure if you can machine it or not, a quick check w/ the
CAM program and you know, then if changes are required it's a simple update for 
the tool path and your in business and thats for one off
jobs. In the instance of a repeat of the same or similar it's  fantastic. 
Create a configuration of the same part w/ different dimensions
update the tool path and voila!

My personal stance is that I wouldn't go back to a stand alone CAM, integrated 
is the way for me :)

Jarrett Johnson

- Original Message -
From: "R. van Twisk" 
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re:  No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

> Kent,
> 
> not a problem.
> 
> We estimated the RIO of the tools within 6 months,
> (two seats, two times Pro/E, Two times high and computers, two 
> times all training)
> unfortunately RIO not met in 6 months, 
> and it turned out to be one year. After that we saved money. Something
> that was pretty good when we looked back at it.
> 
> What I was trying to say, and may be I wasn't clear is that Igor 
> shoulddo his own traject, and it's not possible to say with 
> CAD/CAM ' if it
> works for you, it will work for me, even though our parts we make 
> are different).
> 
> There is some personal issues going on here, since each CAD/CAM 
> package has it's
> own way of working (Catia vs Inventor vs SolidWorks vs Pro/E etc.. 
> etc..), some people
> like it some methods, others don't like specific methods.
> 
> It's about asking the right questions to yourself, like I said, if 
> you make a lot of repeated
> parts with different dimensions, then you need to make sure your 
> CAM package
> does integrate very well with the CAD package. If you don't make 
> repeated parts,
> then you can also take a other CAM package that might be much cheaper.
> Do you need or not need constrains, do you need to create 2D 
> drawings out of 3D files,
> what export/import formats do you need. We don't know that from 
> Igors posts
> 
> Ries
> 
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
> 
> > On 5/31/2011 8:03 AM, R. van Twisk wrote:
> >> Igor,
> >> 
> >> I have been doing a traject at a shipyard implementing a 
> CAD/CAM solution.
> > Gentle persons (and apologies to Mr. van Twisk):
> > 
> > All of us make mistakes in typing; it goes with the territory.
> > 
> > Nevertheless, I love this typographically invented word 
> "traject". It 
> > feels like a cross between "tragedy" and "project" and I'll bet 
> I'm not 
> > the only one who has worked on "trajects" :-)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Kent
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Re: [Emc-users] No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread gene heskett 
On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:22:25 AM Andy Howell did opine:

> On 05/31/2011 03:03 AM, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 03:09:57 AM Andy Howell did opine:
> >> On 05/30/2011 07:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> >>> I am aware that this is a "can of worms". I will ask, nevertheless.
> >>> 
> >>> I am becoming constrained by my approach of "just write G code for
> >>> anything I want".
> >>> 
> >>> Is there an inexpensive CAD/CAM package that is EMC2 compatible,
> >>> designed to work with milling operation (I have a 4 axis mill).
> >>> 
> >>> At this point I do not care if it is Windows or Linux based,
> >>> although I would prefer Linux.
> >> 
> >> Igor,
> >> 
> >>I've been playing with HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC. I'm quite new to
> > 
> > machining,
> > 
> >> cad/cam etc, so I can't comment on how it compares to other packages.
> >> I run it under Ubuntu. It works under windows as well. See
> >> http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >>Andy
> >
> >From my POV, HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC for linux is a disaster as its several
> >
> > versions (0.13) behind the windows issue (0.18) and missing stuff in
> > wholesale quantities.  Using wine on this pclos box, heekscad for
> > winderz seems to run well and stably once you click through about 25
> > xml errors on startup.  But I have not been able to locate any
> > beginner oriented printable tutorials for it.  A URL for that would
> > be highly appreciated.
> 
> Gene,
> 
>   I built it from source,

What tarball version?
>   which is pretty straight forward. I did have to
> fix some problems in the EMC2.py script. Those changes are checked in.
> There are three different EMC 'machines' defined. I fixed the firth
> first one, "EMC2 Controler'.
> 
> There are some docs and links under http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/

I found those easily enough.  3rd party authored.
 
> I've found a number of tutorials on YouTube.

I just found those last night.  Generally he is too far from the mic, and 
goes way too fast for me to keep up.

> It would be nice to have a
> tutorial that took something simple from a hand drawn sketch, into
> heekscnc, and then milled using EMC2.

That would be several 10 minute movies to do it justice, but yeah, 
precisely my thought.
 
> I ended up starting with HeeksCNC because I could not find any other
> open source packages that handled both the CAD and CAM aspects. QCad
> has a CAM option, but its not free.
> 
> Being new to all this, its taking me awhile to figure out how all the
> pieces fit together :)

Me too Andy.  And as I age, that point where I can say "aha, that's how it 
works" seems slower and slower in coming.  At 76 and diabetic, I'm fond of 
quoting that old saw about taking better care of me if I had known I was 
going to live this long. ;-)

One of my stepsons came down for the weekend & I got out the boat & we went 
fishing.  Caught a bunch of minnows & one bass plus an improved tan.

Coming back, my son said, "well, now you know how to catch trout" with a 
grin.

Pulling up to the dock to wait my turn at the ramp to pull out, I tried to 
give that lone bass to the retired folks in the next boat, but they didn't 
want it, and in fact said they had some trout, about a dozen, to give away.  
Not having had fresh trout in 30 years, I said I'd take them.  So they dug 
out a plastic grocery sack and opened up the live well in their bass 
tracker & started sacking rainbows, and the smallest one was a good 14", 
with several up around the 18" range!  That sack was FULL and over 20 
pounds easy.  So the 2nd warmup of my new gas grill was a fish fry Sunday 
evening.  We ate very well indeed.  And about half of them are still in the 
freezer where we put them to stiffen up while filleting them.

I had passed them, sitting on the bank with the boat semi beached, so I 
know where they were fishing, and the trout were full of a chartreuse 
powerbait, said they were fishing on the bottom as far out as their spin 
rods could throw, so they were a good 40 foot deep.

Anyway, to bring home trout, try to give away the only bass you caught.  
;-)

Makes perfect sense when you think about it. :)

In fact, I was surprised at the relative lack of traffic on the lake, I'd 
guess a dozen boats at the max.  Its a 10 horse limit lake, used for flood 
control mostly, about 12 miles long. About 80 feet deep, my fishfinder said 
the surface temp was 78F, already too warm IMO.

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Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re: No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread Kent A. Reed 
Hi, Ries.

I'm sorry I deflected your response with my silly play on words.

The expanded explanation you included in your follow-up to me just now 
is right on target and should be very helpful to Igor as well.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re: No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread andy pugh 
On 31 May 2011 16:10, gene heskett  wrote:

>> Nevertheless, I love this typographically invented word "traject".

I think he might actually be meaning something akin to "trajectory", a
projection of cost/benefit or similar.

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Re: [Emc-users] Dell D610 laptop success?

2011-05-31 Thread Doug Goff 
Hi Pete,
I run 3 routers and one mill with the 610's.  Turning off SMI is 
required to get any decent latency numbers.  I use a modified rtai.conf 
that loads the smi module.  I believe there is a bit of documentation in 
the wiki that explains how to deal with smi.
I'm still running the previous LTS, as there seemed to be problems 
running the new version.  I didn't want to mess up good-running systems 
and I haven't looked into it yet.

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Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re: No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread R. van Twisk 
Come to think of it

I think in dutch we call this a 'traject', we use it frequently
to say ' do this or that according to some plan',
it might not be correct english indeed.

sorry guys!



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> On 31 May 2011 16:10, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
>>> Nevertheless, I love this typographically invented word "traject".
> 
> I think he might actually be meaning something akin to "trajectory", a
> projection of cost/benefit or similar.
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Re: No-kidding CAD/Cam package for milling

2011-05-31 Thread gene heskett 
On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:42:05 AM R. van Twisk did opine:

> Come to think of it
> 
> I think in dutch we call this a 'traject', we use it frequently
> to say ' do this or that according to some plan',
> it might not be correct english indeed.
> 
> sorry guys!
 
No need to apologize, this is how new words get added to the language, 
often by borrowing from another language.  It will be called slanguage for 
about a decade, and then someone will add it to the dictionary and voila!  
We have a new word the masses can then look up.

> On May 31, 2011, at 10:19 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> > On 31 May 2011 16:10, gene heskett  wrote:
> >>> Nevertheless, I love this typographically invented word "traject".
> > 
> > I think he might actually be meaning something akin to "trajectory", a
> > projection of cost/benefit or similar.
> 
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[Emc-users] How to "home all"?

2011-05-31 Thread Viesturs Lācis 
Hello, gentlemen!

Can anyone tell me, what is that small and trivial detail that I am
missing to have a button "Home All" instead of "Home Axis" in Axis
GUI?
I have 4 joints with homing switches and they all are homing
correctly, when homed each separately. And then there is one joint,
which is not supposed to have a homing switch - it is a rotary head.
It does not make sense homing it before part has been placed in it -
just like with lathe's spindle, part can be oriented in any direction.

What should I do with INI settings for that last joint so that in Axis
GUI that button would tell "Home All" ? Now I have specified it as
follows:
WRAPPED_ROTARY = 1H
HOME = 0
HOME_OFFSET = 0
HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 0
HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0
HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS = NO

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Re: [Emc-users] How to "home all"?

2011-05-31 Thread Javier Ros 
I have

HOME_SEQUENCE=  0

for each axis in my ini. Then all of them home at he same time.

I think the number indicates in which order is each joint HOMED.
Just in case, I can send my ini.

Good luck,

Javier




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> Hello, gentlemen!
>
> Can anyone tell me, what is that small and trivial detail that I am
> missing to have a button "Home All" instead of "Home Axis" in Axis
> GUI?
> I have 4 joints with homing switches and they all are homing
> correctly, when homed each separately. And then there is one joint,
> which is not supposed to have a homing switch - it is a rotary head.
> It does not make sense homing it before part has been placed in it -
> just like with lathe's spindle, part can be oriented in any direction.
>
> What should I do with INI settings for that last joint so that in Axis
> GUI that button would tell "Home All" ? Now I have specified it as
> follows:
> WRAPPED_ROTARY = 1H
> HOME = 0
> HOME_OFFSET = 0
> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 0
> HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0
> HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
> HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS = NO
>
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Re: [Emc-users] How to "home all"?

2011-05-31 Thread andy pugh 
On 31 May 2011 17:14, Viesturs Lācis  wrote:
> Hello, gentlemen!
>
> Can anyone tell me, what is that small and trivial detail that I am
> missing to have a button "Home All" instead of "Home Axis" in Axis
> GUI?

You need a homing sequence defined for each axis.
In the case of the non-homing axis I think that having the home search
velocity set to zero is the way to leave it out (it might still need a
sequence number)

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Re: [Emc-users] How to "home all"?

2011-05-31 Thread Viesturs Lācis 
2011/5/31 Javier Ros :
> I have
>
> HOME_SEQUENCE=  0

2011/5/31 andy pugh :
>
> You need a homing sequence defined for each axis.

Thank You, Javier and Andy!
I knew that I was missing something obvious! It turned out to be the sequence.

Viesturs

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Re: [Emc-users] Dell D610 laptop success?

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Loron 
On 05/31/2011 08:10 AM, Doug Goff wrote:
> Hi Pete,
> I run 3 routers and one mill with the 610's.  Turning off SMI is
> required to get any decent latency numbers.  I use a modified rtai.conf
> that loads the smi module.  I believe there is a bit of documentation in
> the wiki that explains how to deal with smi.
> I'm still running the previous LTS, as there seemed to be problems
> running the new version.  I didn't want to mess up good-running systems
> and I haven't looked into it yet.
>
Hi. Yes, that matches what I found today using the current 10.04 install 
ISO. Once I changed the rtai.conf to turn off SMI, I'm getting pretty 
nice jitter numbers (< 15uS) while running "stress".

Out of curiosity, what driver hardware are you using with yours? 
Apparently some laptops only output 3.3V on the parallel port instead of 
the 5V many drivers require...

Thanks!

-Pete

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