Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:18:09 -0800 From: dengv...@charter.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:06:54 +0330 Farzin Kamangar farzin.kaman...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin Some years ago a group of emcer's converted a Mazak V5 to emc. Lots of information is available in the wiki, logs, logic, etc but I cannot find an entry on the classicladder code (for tool change), etc. Maybe someone else can help here. Dave -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 02:45:44 PM Sam sokolik did opine: You were going to write something, Sam? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:18:09 -0800 From: dengv...@charter.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:06:54 +0330 Farzin Kamangar farzin.kaman...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin Some years ago a group of emcer's converted a Mazak V5 to emc. Lots of information is available in the wiki, logs, logic, etc but I cannot find an entry on the classicladder code (for tool change), etc. Maybe someone else can help here. Dave -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Whoever would lie usefully should lie seldom. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
I know EMC2 doesn't do anything but Ubuntu LTS as it's 'official' supported distribution. On several other lists I have noticed the complaints about the Ubuntu Bloat and moving to Unity and things not working. Have we, as a community or even just developers, thought about now to go to a 'less bloated' distribution? I do like the idea of the LTS (Long Term Support) part of distributions. And moving from any distribution to another I have always considered a pain. But I could support moving if we can find another 'long term supportable' option where this community doesn't have to support the OS also. Any ideas? Thoughts? Concerns? Thanks for the responses. ... Jack -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 24 November 2011 01:08, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: On several other lists I have noticed the complaints about the Ubuntu Bloat I have 4GB free on an 8GB SSD, and that includes all the EMC2 source and developer tools. That doesn't strike me as particularly bloated. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
Andy, I was not trying to suggest EMC2 is bloated, but with the newer releases of Ubuntu, I have heard reports that they are becoming bloated. My thoughts were that EMC2 is with a fairly trim distribution (Ubuntu 10.04LTS) and should make sure the partner we pair with is similarly endowed. Boy, I'm glad my wife isn't saying that about me. I would hate to be replaced by Husband2.0 :) ... Jack -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 08:23:43 PM Jack Coats did opine: I know EMC2 doesn't do anything but Ubuntu LTS as it's 'official' supported distribution. On several other lists I have noticed the complaints about the Ubuntu Bloat and moving to Unity and things not working. Have we, as a community or even just developers, thought about now to go to a 'less bloated' distribution? I do like the idea of the LTS (Long Term Support) part of distributions. And moving from any distribution to another I have always considered a pain. But I could support moving if we can find another 'long term supportable' option where this community doesn't have to support the OS also. Any ideas? Thoughts? Concerns? I am considering moving this box from pclos to centos-6, but as a kde person, the kde in it is one of the half broken 4.3.5 hacks, probably with its bigger warts covered by the parent RHEL-6 patches. This theoretically gets us nearly 5 years of LTS. The downside is that while security patches will follow the RH releases by 1-2 weeks, version numbers are largely frozen since RH has a habit of backporting patches but not a whole new release. But OTOH, it is at least as fresh as 10.04 is, and likely a heck of a lot more complete than my pclos is. I am always finding something that needs 2 or 4 libraries pclos doesn't supply so I can't build a newer, 10,000% improved digikam for instance. Ditto for wpa_suplicant which in the pclos version is a miserable, time wasting failure. For 10.04, it Just Works(TM). That distro runs at a bit over 7Gb, takes two dvd's now. Its current kernel is 2.6.32-71 in the 64 bit version. This is still being actively supported on the Linux-Kernel Mailing list as a long term supported kernel, and should be fine on any hardware more than 2 years old. AFAIK, no new 'long term' kernels are about, and likely won't be till 3 months or so before the RHEL-7-rc1 release is defined. Since 6 is pretty fresh, that likely is 2 years plus down the log. I ran a 2.6.32 kernel here for a while, but pclos changed to the 2.6.38 about 9 months back, with the BFS scheduler enabled in some builds. How that would co-exist with RTAI, I have no clue, but to the desktop user, bfs is one heck of an improvement in the feel. Thanks for the responses. ... Jack -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest. -- Bullwinkle Moose -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 08:52:04 PM Jack Coats did opine: Andy, I was not trying to suggest EMC2 is bloated, but with the newer releases of Ubuntu, I have heard reports that they are becoming bloated. My thoughts were that EMC2 is with a fairly trim distribution (Ubuntu 10.04LTS) and should make sure the partner we pair with is similarly endowed. Boy, I'm glad my wife isn't saying that about me. I would hate to be replaced by Husband2.0 :) You will likely be fine as long as she never hears about that copy of Mistress-1.5 you've been playing with. ;-) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Pascal Users: The Pascal system will be replaced next Tuesday by Cobol. Please modify your programs accordingly. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 19:26 -0600, Jack Coats wrote: Andy, I was not trying to suggest EMC2 is bloated, but with the newer releases of Ubuntu, I have heard reports that they are becoming bloated. My thoughts were that EMC2 is with a fairly trim distribution (Ubuntu 10.04LTS) and should make sure the partner we pair with is similarly endowed. Boy, I'm glad my wife isn't saying that about me. I would hate to be replaced by Husband2.0 :) ... Jack What has me nervous is my recent experience of upgrading from 8.04 to 10.04 and having some of my long trusted motherboards not work or have terrible latency, with the usual fixes having no effect. There may be solutions in the wings, but I really don't enjoy having to search for or wait for a fix every time the operating system gets upgraded, especially if most (or all) of these upgrades have absolutely nothing to do with EMC2 or RTAI. I suspect these issues are not lost on Tormach or Smithy. I suspect this is less of a software bloat problem as a kernel config file bloat problem, but that's just a guess. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
Jack Coats wrote: I know EMC2 doesn't do anything but Ubuntu LTS as it's 'official' supported distribution. On several other lists I have noticed the complaints about the Ubuntu Bloat and moving to Unity and things not working. Have we, as a community or even just developers, thought about now to go to a 'less bloated' distribution? What's the problem? It still fits on one CD, and will run in 256 MB of memory (I think). Unless we start supporting a port to some non-X86 architecture, it really doesn't seem to be a major problem at the moment. Jon -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
I'm not saying that the 10.04 is bloated, but some of the folks that have moved to 11.04 or 11.10 locally have noted several 'broke as designed' items and have complained about bloat in the newer versions as well as the new Ubiquity user interface. I am guessing 12.04 will be the next LTS version. I am not complaining, just wondering what our outlook for the future is and if there are any suggested changes. Trying to be a bit proactive and forward thinking. Historically I have seen software enlarge to meet the capability of the hardware it runs on. Using its features is OK, but leaving some of the capability for other software to use (like EMC2, CAD/CAM packages, etc) rather than trying to soak it all up in the OS and support software is good too. ... Jack -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 11/23/2011 8:08 PM, Jack Coats wrote: I know EMC2 doesn't do anything but Ubuntu LTS as it's 'official' supported distribution. On several other lists I have noticed the complaints about the Ubuntu Bloat and moving to Unity and things not working. Have we, as a community or even just developers, thought about now to go to a 'less bloated' distribution? I do like the idea of the LTS (Long Term Support) part of distributions. And moving from any distribution to another I have always considered a pain. But I could support moving if we can find another 'long term supportable' option where this community doesn't have to support the OS also. Any ideas? Thoughts? Concerns? Thanks for the responses. ... Jack We've had variations of this discussion before. My principal question is always, what do you want your real-time EMC2-equipped computer to do? If it is intended solely to control a machine, then most of Ubuntu is unnecessary. Others have posted to the Wiki their successes in bringing EMC2 to minimalist Linux environments, and we could go that route. Indeed, I'm planning to do that myself once I get around to finishing my real, headless controller (as opposed to my bench-test controller). Instead of starting with a distribution packaged by someone else, we could create one ourselves, starting with Linux From Scratch (LFS), resulting in the absolute minimum environment needed to build and run EMC2. To my mind, for controllers there are only two reasons for thinking about upgrading the O/S: 1) a new version of EMC2 with features I want requires it or 2) a new motherboard/CPU/peripherals-combo to replace an old one requires it. Upgrading for just the sake of getting the latest flashy desktop seems ludicrous. On the other hand, if your EMC2-equipped computer is intended to support Internet telephony, browse HackADay.com, run all your favorite CAD/CAM applications, keep the books, play music videos, etc., and, oh-by-the-way run a machine tool (I think this is the wrong approach, but that's just me), then you're likely to want to start with a full distribution like Ubuntu, so why not stick with Ubuntu for as long as possible? The number of applications that are supported in Ubuntu is staggering. I don't think any of the other distributions are immune to the pressures of the marketplace (even with free software there's a marketplace, it just has a different reward system) and won't get enamored of Unity or their own version of a touchy-tablet desktop environment. We can strip the distribution down if we like, or, instead of subtracting from the full edition, we could add to the server edition. Whatever. This kind of remastering used to be very hard but it's gotten easy in recent years. And if Ubuntu goes completely off the track, there are other, less popular distributions so similar in the technologies EMC2 depends on that the transition would be almost effortless. Frankly, if I wanted to lie awake at night, I'd choose to worry about the teams developing real-time extensions to Linux in the face of rapid changes to the Linux kernel or about the future of AXIS as both desktop environments and windowing systems evolve. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Kent -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 11/23/2011 9:55 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Jack Coats wrote: I know EMC2 doesn't do anything but Ubuntu LTS as it's 'official' supported distribution. On several other lists I have noticed the complaints about the Ubuntu Bloat and moving to Unity and things not working. Have we, as a community or even just developers, thought about now to go to a 'less bloated' distribution? What's the problem? It still fits on one CD, and will run in 256 MB of memory (I think). Unless we start supporting a port to some non-X86 architecture, it really doesn't seem to be a major problem at the moment. Jon I'm glad you mentioned the memory requirement, Jon. Just because I've been looking at the EMC2 documentation lately, I've begun to wonder about some of the statements made about minimum requirements for CPU speed and RAM size. Some look suspiciously old. Have we tested these claims lately? I was thinking about using virtual machines to try installing and running EMC2 (in simulator mode, of course) with different memory sizes, but realistically I can no longer test at slow CPU speeds like the 400MHz PII/PIII claimed on the Wiki or the 700 MHz x86 claimed in the Getting Started doc. Regards, Kent -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 11/23/2011 07:52 PM, Jack Coats wrote: I'm not saying that the 10.04 is bloated, but some of the folks that have moved to 11.04 or 11.10 locally have noted several 'broke as designed' items and have complained about bloat in the newer versions as well as the new Ubiquity user interface. I am guessing 12.04 will be the next LTS version. Agree. Kubuntu 11.04 upgraded to 11.10 on my home workstation is giving me a hell of a time I haven't seen in years. Nvidia drivers especially are unpredictable. Some utilities like Amarok drive CPU use to 103% according to top. Stable Debian or minimal Ubuntu with XFCE4 would be more appropriate for EMC and better fit for smaller embedded systems IMO. I looked at XFCE4 recently and find it provides good enough environment for most GUI needs with smaller footprint than Gnome or KDE. I am not complaining, just wondering what our outlook for the future is and if there are any suggested changes. Trying to be a bit proactive and forward thinking. Agree. Historically I have seen software enlarge to meet the capability of the hardware it runs on. Using its features is OK, but leaving some of the capability for other software to use (like EMC2, CAD/CAM packages, etc) rather than trying to soak it all up in the OS and support software is good too. ... Jack There is one more issue at this time in history, transition from 32bit to 64bit. Mix of 64bit and 32bit libraries and other code is causing all kinds of strange problems if you run some Java or other apps that were written for 32 bit release. -- Rafael -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
