Re: [Emc-users] makefile question
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 08:42:15PM -0400, lloyd wilson wrote: > > make: Failed to remake makefile `Makefile'. You can ask make to elaborate on this error; see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FailedToRemakeMakefile -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] makefile question
I'm starting to work on a user interface program for a physical control panel for my hurco mill & can't get the makefile to cooperate. The program will essentially provide a subset of the NML messages as defined in halui, but with modbus communication rather that HAL. To verify the build environment for this exercise, I have done the following: - clone the source definition in usr_intf/Submakefile: MODBUSUISRCS := emc/usr_intf/modbusui.cc - clone the build definition in usr_intf/Submakefile: ../bin/modbusui: $(call TOOBJS, $(MODBUSUISRCS)) ../lib/liblinuxcnc.a ../lib/liblinuxcncini.so.0 ../lib/libnml.so.0 ../lib/liblinuxcnchal.so.0 $(ECHO) Linking $(notdir $@) $(Q)$(CXX) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ $(ULFLAGS) $^ TARGETS += ../bin/modbusui - clone the dependency file in src/depends/emc/usr_intf At the moment, the source file is an unmodified copy of halui (I'm just testing the build environment). Before modifying the makefile, the build process behaved as expected. After the modifications, I get an error message: make: Failed to remake makefile `Makefile'. Evidently, something else needs a tweak in the make environment, but I can't find it. Help! -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
On 10/19/2012 9:58 PM, Kenneth Lerman wrote: > On 10/19/2012 9:23 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > >> ed wrote: >> >>> I talked to a vendor there in the mid 90's and he said it was $60K for >>> the show. His booth was a 20 by 20 in the basement behind the stairwell >>> in the old South building, the least prime spot you could find in the >>> whole show. He could not even plug in his own equipment, had to call the >>> "electrician" for everthing. >>> >>> >> Oh, you're not allowed to move anything yourself, either, except for a >> single copy of a brochure. >> Everything has to be done by union workers, and they bill you for an >> hour to move one box >> of flyers from your car. But, all the trade shows are like that. >> > No. Not all. I've exhibited at Veterinary trade shows in San Diego, > Kansas City, Denver, Louisville, and Baltimore. > > In Louisville we carried our entire booth in. In Denver, we carried five > large boxes in. At all of them, if you could carry it with one hand > (like a small suitcase), you could do it yourself. > > We generally shipped a 2x3x4 foot box containing everything we needed > for our booth. That included floor covering, three chairs, an eight foot > table, table covering, etc. We used battery power so as to avoid paying > for an electric outlet. > > If you don't do something like that, you pay $60 per chair, $100+ for > floor covering, $100 for a table + $50 to cover it, ... > > The booths at the shows we were at ran about $1600 for the show. > > Ken > > Chicago is definitely a special case. They are the worse I have seen and I have worked dozens of shows in the midwest. At one time, I was told that New York City was very similar. Everyone other place I have been has been much more reasonable, if you bring it yourself. If not the prices are as you describe or more! If you don't bring your own tables/chairs/booth etc they typically gouge you. Best to plan ahead or bring a stack of $50 bills. Dave Everything else that I have been to -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] VFD parameter question
On 20 October 2012 02:37, Jon Elson wrote: > I figured out how to adapt > a spindle encoder even to a machine that made a traditional approach pretty > much impossible. See http://pico-systems.com/bridge_spindle.html > for some pics and description. Me too: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5770736314384778354 (and the next few pictures) Thanks to Jon for finding that sensor, it really does seem to be the only one. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
On 10/19/2012 9:23 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > ed wrote: >> I talked to a vendor there in the mid 90's and he said it was $60K for >> the show. His booth was a 20 by 20 in the basement behind the stairwell >> in the old South building, the least prime spot you could find in the >> whole show. He could not even plug in his own equipment, had to call the >> "electrician" for everthing. >> > Oh, you're not allowed to move anything yourself, either, except for a > single copy of a brochure. > Everything has to be done by union workers, and they bill you for an > hour to move one box > of flyers from your car. But, all the trade shows are like that. No. Not all. I've exhibited at Veterinary trade shows in San Diego, Kansas City, Denver, Louisville, and Baltimore. In Louisville we carried our entire booth in. In Denver, we carried five large boxes in. At all of them, if you could carry it with one hand (like a small suitcase), you could do it yourself. We generally shipped a 2x3x4 foot box containing everything we needed for our booth. That included floor covering, three chairs, an eight foot table, table covering, etc. We used battery power so as to avoid paying for an electric outlet. If you don't do something like that, you pay $60 per chair, $100+ for floor covering, $100 for a table + $50 to cover it, ... The booths at the shows we were at ran about $1600 for the show. Ken > > Jon > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] VFD parameter question
Greg Bentzinger wrote: > > My problem is this - with site 3phase power you can throw a motor running > forward into reverse and it just does it. I'm sure the control has a ever so > slight delay between relay actions to allow for mechanical times to prevent > switching "shoot through" but I have no idea what this delay is. I don't > think I can just switch direction on the VFD without first going through a > breaking action. For any other action the machine would just open the relay, > let the motor coast down for 6 seconds then apply a spindle air break to lock > the spindle. E-stop drops the relay and applies the break instantly. > > I am using a Teco FM50-203-C and I also have the optional breaking resister. > I would prefer to let the motor coast and just reverse it for tapping but I > don't know if a VFD can take that kind of repeated abuse - lots of tapping. > > So - do I need to hook up the breaking resistor and have it set to break the > motor in under a second? How would the VFD be setup under LCNC to do > tapping? - I watched Ander's rigid tapping videos and it looks like it is > reversing at full programmed speed. > > Yes, you need a braking resistor or the VFD will fault when the spindle is at high speed and you ask it to stop. But, it still won't stop and reverse like plug reversing a 480 V motor. It will probably take almost a second to reach zero speed. If the CNC control expects it to act like a plug reverse, you may have a big problem, depending on how much slack there is in the tap holder. (Of course, if it is really smart with the tach, it may actually do a fine job regardless of how fast the spindle actually reverses.) I do absolutely rigid tapping on my LinuxCNC Bridgeport with an encoder on the spindle, and I actually had to have LinuxCNC slow down the reversal a bit to get the most accurate following of the Z axis. Once you've tried real rigid tapping, you'll be hooked. I figured out how to adapt a spindle encoder even to a machine that made a traditional approach pretty much impossible. See http://pico-systems.com/bridge_spindle.html for some pics and description. Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
Stuart Stevenson wrote: > I still have people in > my shop ask me 'Does EMC have cutter comp?' or 'Does EMC have backlash > compensation?'. So far, I graciously answer yes to both questions without > questioning the intelligence of the asker. :) We have run LinuxCNC for > years and people still think it is probably just rudimentary 2 axis > software. Go figure. > Well, when they are used to paying $50K for the basic CNC control, and have to add $2000 for every option like another couple K of program memory or arcs or something, they assume a free program that runs on a generic PC has to be a real cheap imitation. And, some of the hobby-level software out there IS awful. Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
ed wrote: > > I talked to a vendor there in the mid 90's and he said it was $60K for > the show. His booth was a 20 by 20 in the basement behind the stairwell > in the old South building, the least prime spot you could find in the > whole show. He could not even plug in his own equipment, had to call the > "electrician" for everthing. > Oh, you're not allowed to move anything yourself, either, except for a single copy of a brochure. Everything has to be done by union workers, and they bill you for an hour to move one box of flyers from your car. But, all the trade shows are like that. Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Jon, > > I have more than one project to do. > Well, NAME them, so we can start drooling about them! I'll have to tell you about what I'm working on with Fanuc red cap serial encoders, too! Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] VFD parameter question
You can reverse with a VFD, no problem. You need to have correct ramping parameters set and probably brake resistors also. i On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Greg Bentzinger wrote: > > > I am converting a cnc knee mill from 3 phase to single phase. > > The spindle is 3hp (2.2kw) and I am fitting a VFD in place of the HD > relays that just turned the power on in FWD or REV. > > Speed will not be controlled directly by the VFD, only direction. The mill > (Hurco KM3P) uses the common Bridgeport style variable drive pulley system > and has a motor to adjust the pulleys while reading a tach for > verification. After speed is set it is not monitored. This is how the > current control (Hurco Max32) was designed, and for now I am retaining this > control and NOT doing an LCNC conversion. > > Others have done this with the KM3 model which does not have the > programmable speed function and it has worked great for them. I only have 1 > burning question. This machine can do near rigid tapping. I have floating > holders that only have about .09" total movement. The machine now taps by a > G84 type action and the control reads the tach and spots the zero crossing > point of the spindle reverse and ramps feed by the tach. Not perfect - but > close and great for its age. The regular KM3 does not have the tach > function and needs a float holder with more travel. > > My problem is this - with site 3phase power you can throw a motor running > forward into reverse and it just does it. I'm sure the control has a ever > so slight delay between relay actions to allow for mechanical times to > prevent switching "shoot through" but I have no idea what this delay is. I > don't think I can just switch direction on the VFD without first going > through a breaking action. For any other action the machine would just open > the relay, let the motor coast down for 6 seconds then apply a spindle air > break to lock the spindle. E-stop drops the relay and applies the break > instantly. > > I am using a Teco FM50-203-C and I also have the optional breaking > resister. I would prefer to let the motor coast and just reverse it for > tapping but I don't know if a VFD can take that kind of repeated abuse - > lots of tapping. > > So - do I need to hook up the breaking resistor and have it set to break > the motor in under a second? How would the VFD be setup under LCNC to do > tapping? - I watched Ander's rigid tapping videos and it looks like it is > reversing at full programmed speed. > > I'm trying to be as gentile and least excessive waste heat generation in > the components as I can while getting the usable function. > > BTW - I've been dying for a chance to make it over to MPM for a visit, I > am committed to a trip to the left coast in early May but I sure hope I can > escape again in June. I'm just next door in Colorado. > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] VFD parameter question
I am converting a cnc knee mill from 3 phase to single phase. The spindle is 3hp (2.2kw) and I am fitting a VFD in place of the HD relays that just turned the power on in FWD or REV. Speed will not be controlled directly by the VFD, only direction. The mill (Hurco KM3P) uses the common Bridgeport style variable drive pulley system and has a motor to adjust the pulleys while reading a tach for verification. After speed is set it is not monitored. This is how the current control (Hurco Max32) was designed, and for now I am retaining this control and NOT doing an LCNC conversion. Others have done this with the KM3 model which does not have the programmable speed function and it has worked great for them. I only have 1 burning question. This machine can do near rigid tapping. I have floating holders that only have about .09" total movement. The machine now taps by a G84 type action and the control reads the tach and spots the zero crossing point of the spindle reverse and ramps feed by the tach. Not perfect - but close and great for its age. The regular KM3 does not have the tach function and needs a float holder with more travel. My problem is this - with site 3phase power you can throw a motor running forward into reverse and it just does it. I'm sure the control has a ever so slight delay between relay actions to allow for mechanical times to prevent switching "shoot through" but I have no idea what this delay is. I don't think I can just switch direction on the VFD without first going through a breaking action. For any other action the machine would just open the relay, let the motor coast down for 6 seconds then apply a spindle air break to lock the spindle. E-stop drops the relay and applies the break instantly. I am using a Teco FM50-203-C and I also have the optional breaking resister. I would prefer to let the motor coast and just reverse it for tapping but I don't know if a VFD can take that kind of repeated abuse - lots of tapping. So - do I need to hook up the breaking resistor and have it set to break the motor in under a second? How would the VFD be setup under LCNC to do tapping? - I watched Ander's rigid tapping videos and it looks like it is reversing at full programmed speed. I'm trying to be as gentile and least excessive waste heat generation in the components as I can while getting the usable function. BTW - I've been dying for a chance to make it over to MPM for a visit, I am committed to a trip to the left coast in early May but I sure hope I can escape again in June. I'm just next door in Colorado. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
IMTS vendor trick the unions handle everything ( plugging in cord, taping crepe-paper to tables, unfolding tables ) a lot of people tried to bribe them so the people could do it themselves doesnt work, theres just too many bribes we dragged in coolers full of beer thats something they could NOT get we suddenly had extra phones, extra tables, no problems :) tom3p -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
I used to go every two years. I would return with the deer in the headlights look and dream the rest of the two years until the next one. LinuxCNC ruined the show for me. I can do everything I see and more. I have gone twice since getting involved with LinuxCNC and have been disappointed both times. I will probably attend again but without the excited anticipation. I have thought about taking a retrofit there but I failed to identify any commercial point for me although it would be fun showing what can be done. I haven't a clue about cost I would think the cost of a small booth/display could be shared among a few profit making endeavors. I still have people in my shop ask me 'Does EMC have cutter comp?' or 'Does EMC have backlash compensation?'. So far, I graciously answer yes to both questions without questioning the intelligence of the asker. :) We have run LinuxCNC for years and people still think it is probably just rudimentary 2 axis software. Go figure. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > tongue in cheek/ > > if you want exposure think IMTS > > /tongue in cheek > > > Some of the guys in our shop at work go there every couple years. They > have > that "deer in the headlights" look for a few weeks after. Probably cost > my entire > income for the whole year to set up a booth there, though. > > Jon > > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- dos centavos -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
Count me in Terry - Original Message - From: Stuart Stevenson To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Cc: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita Jon, I have more than one project to do. thanks Stuart -- dos centavos -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
Jon Elson wrote: > Stuart Stevenson wrote: > >> tongue in cheek/ >> if you want exposure think IMTS >> /tongue in cheek >> >> > Some of the guys in our shop at work go there every couple years. They have > that "deer in the headlights" look for a few weeks after. Probably cost > my entire > income for the whole year to set up a booth there, though. > > Jon > I talked to a vendor there in the mid 90's and he said it was $60K for the show. His booth was a 20 by 20 in the basement behind the stairwell in the old South building, the least prime spot you could find in the whole show. He could not even plug in his own equipment, had to call the "electrician" for everthing. Ed. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
Jon, I have more than one project to do. thanks Stuart -- dos centavos -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
Stuart, Oh, and Stuart, THANK YOU for stepping up and setting a date (not to mention providing the place, too)! That's what a bunch of us "hmmm, well, it would sure be nice if somebody would organize something, err, well, ahhh" needed to get this going! Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Gentlemen, > MPM www.mpm1.com in Wichita is always open for a visit from anyone. We > now have another place - Specialty Fabrication www.specialtfab.com is also > open for a visit. I will have both places set up for LinuxCNC related > development and play during the week of June 17, 2013. Set aside Monday, > June 17, 2013 thru Sunday June 23, 2013 to come see what we do and have > done, visit with LinuxCNC people who can come, bring a project to work on, > plan to work on a project for/with someone. > There will be room to set up a booth with air and power if someone wants > to exhibit or sell. > Oh, migosh! Well, count me in! Hey, Stuart, you have any retrofit projects you want to do then? Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
Stuart Stevenson wrote: > tongue in cheek/ > if you want exposure think IMTS > /tongue in cheek > Some of the guys in our shop at work go there every couple years. They have that "deer in the headlights" look for a few weeks after. Probably cost my entire income for the whole year to set up a booth there, though. Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] (OT) - Crowdsourced mass CNC produced private weapons
well then I guess there are 4 groups, i like to refer to the fourth as the 3 percenters, 3 percent of the population started the american adventure in the face of adversity and the spirit of freedom. This is the innovative non stop juggernaut that keeps the world running, these people are true leaders not willing to allow or accept the meddling and piddling of societal hierarchy or class warfare stop them from achiving whatever they desire. people like tesla, edison, thomas jefferson . and im certain there are other nationalities as well (not to exclude anyone) my geographic positioning lends me toward american history though -- jeremy youngs -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] (OT) - Crowdsourced mass CNC produced private weapons
On 10/19/2012 02:31 AM, Bruce Layne wrote: > On 10/18/2012 10:28 PM, Jon Elson wrote: >> jeremy youngs wrote: >>> so make the file yourself >>> >> No, that's the idea. Unless the file has some kind of encrypted code >> authorized by the manufacturer of the printer in collaboration with the CAM >> system, the >> printer will refuse to print it. > So make THE PRINTER yourself! > > Like Jeremy, I'm trying to stay out of the politics of this, too, but > this is one of the times when it's helpful to view humanity as roughly > divided into two distinct groups - those who want to control others, and > those who want to be left alone to build, create, work and accomplish. > Those who seek to control others do so in order to prosper from their > creativity, harnessed intellect and hard work. I further subdivide the > control people into two groups - those who want direct control (mostly > government types) and those who empower the direct controllers and live > off their table scraps (monopolies, patent hoarders, corporations that > aren't competitive in a free market but make a lot more money by > corrupting government, etc.) No, there are 3 distinct groups of people in this world... There are those that want to be told what to do, so that they don't have to make decisions for themselves. This group is the worst group of all, because they will go along with whatever is popular at the moment. it is my belief that the bulk of the people on this list would fall into the second group. All you have to do is look at the links attached to my tagline to see what I've given back to the "community at large" recently. As long as the G keeps their nose out of my business, I'm happy. I just hope that printing, and CNC'ing doesn't get saddled with restrictions on their usage. This patent only shows what lengths people are willing to go to, to find ways to restrict what this community does everyday. I'm not a purist, I believe in the best tool for the job, even if I have to make it. I don't use Linux, or LinuxCNC, because they are free... I use them because I'm free to do what "I" want to do with them. When I upgraded my laptop from 10.04, to 12.04, I got a very big surprise. but that didn't stop me from ripping unity out, and installing mate. -- MC Cason Eagle3D: http://www.matwei.de/doku.php?id=en:eagle3d:eagle3d http://developer.berlios.de/projects/eagle3d/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/46689581@N03/sets/72157631724417372/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
On 10/19/2012 10:15 AM, Dave Caroline wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM, andy pugh wrote: > >> On 19 October 2012 13:16, Stuart Stevenson wrote: >> >> >>>MPM www.mpm1.com in Wichita is always open for a visit from anyone. We >>> now have another place - Specialty Fabrication www.specialtfab.com is also >>> open for a visit. I will have both places set up for LinuxCNC related >>> development and play during the week of June 17, 2013 >>> >> Time to start building the boat, then. >> > Free passage ? :) > Do we all have to make parts for said boat ? > > Dave > > Talk to Andy. After his transpacific hop, the Atlantic should be a minor trip! Rent a boat? ;-) Dave -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
The north side. She has an apartment on Wisconsin Ave in Chevy Chase, MD. Technically, a block or two outside of DC. It is a nice area, but a little crowded. You can waste a lot of time sitting in traffic if you are not careful. Dave On 10/19/2012 8:26 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Dave wrote: > >> I agree that the fairground building in York is almost perfect for that >> show, but like Ron said it really lacks rooms for classes. The other >> buildings on the grounds are some distance from the main venue building. >> >> I recently drove across the PA turnpike when I moved my daughter to DC >> and the PA turnpike was a mess, the traffic was very heavy and most >> people were traveling at or above the speed limit (semi trucks included). >> Apparently they have decided that they finally need to repair that >> highway and several bridges (long overdue) and orange barrels were >> everywhere in July. >> On the way back to Indiana, I took a different interstate route across >> the top of Maryland and it was a huge improvement, light traffic, well >> maintained roads, plus no tolls, which are now quite high in PA. >> >> Dave >> > Dave, > > Traffic is slim to non-existent here in the DC Metro area at 0400... ;-) > > And I get to be home before 2 PM. I simply refuse to drive during > rush hour on the Beltway here. > > What side of the Potomac does your daughter live? > > Mark > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
don't you have access to one and a crew? ;) I went to one of the previous linuxcnc get-togethers at mpm. Very cool! Lots of eye candy. Stuart is awesome! sam On 10/19/2012 9:02 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 19 October 2012 13:16, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > >>MPM www.mpm1.com in Wichita is always open for a visit from anyone. We >> now have another place - Specialty Fabrication www.specialtfab.com is also >> open for a visit. I will have both places set up for LinuxCNC related >> development and play during the week of June 17, 2013 > Time to start building the boat, then. > -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 19 October 2012 13:16, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > >> MPM www.mpm1.com in Wichita is always open for a visit from anyone. We >> now have another place - Specialty Fabrication www.specialtfab.com is also >> open for a visit. I will have both places set up for LinuxCNC related >> development and play during the week of June 17, 2013 > > Time to start building the boat, then. Free passage ? :) Do we all have to make parts for said boat ? Dave -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
On 19 October 2012 13:16, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > MPM www.mpm1.com in Wichita is always open for a visit from anyone. We > now have another place - Specialty Fabrication www.specialtfab.com is also > open for a visit. I will have both places set up for LinuxCNC related > development and play during the week of June 17, 2013 Time to start building the boat, then. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Crowdsourced mass CNC produced private weapons
On 18 October 2012 19:07, Mark Cason wrote: > http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/10/patent-could-shackle-3d-printers-drm.html In principle I am not against the underlying idea here. We may well move to a situation in the future where rather than shipping objects we ship the files to make objects. The problem then is that there is no way to sell only one object, the purchaser can go on to make an infinite number of items. So, as a designer you only get to sell your design once, then everyone has it. It probably won't work out like that, more than one copy of each song gets sold, as some people prefer to buy than to pirate. I see the idea of 3D DRM as a logical extension of copyright into a digitally distributed world. I don't see any reason that a printer manufacturer would lock out "free" designs, why should they? Even when iTunes DRM was at its strongest the devices would still play home-ripped MP3s or scratch-recorded content. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT - CNC Workshop not to be hosted by Digital
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Dave wrote: > I agree that the fairground building in York is almost perfect for that > show, but like Ron said it really lacks rooms for classes. The other > buildings on the grounds are some distance from the main venue building. > > I recently drove across the PA turnpike when I moved my daughter to DC > and the PA turnpike was a mess, the traffic was very heavy and most > people were traveling at or above the speed limit (semi trucks included). > Apparently they have decided that they finally need to repair that > highway and several bridges (long overdue) and orange barrels were > everywhere in July. > On the way back to Indiana, I took a different interstate route across > the top of Maryland and it was a huge improvement, light traffic, well > maintained roads, plus no tolls, which are now quite high in PA. > > Dave Dave, Traffic is slim to non-existent here in the DC Metro area at 0400... ;-) And I get to be home before 2 PM. I simply refuse to drive during rush hour on the Beltway here. What side of the Potomac does your daughter live? Mark -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] LinuxCNC Week in Wichita
Gentlemen, MPM www.mpm1.com in Wichita is always open for a visit from anyone. We now have another place - Specialty Fabrication www.specialtfab.com is also open for a visit. I will have both places set up for LinuxCNC related development and play during the week of June 17, 2013. Set aside Monday, June 17, 2013 thru Sunday June 23, 2013 to come see what we do and have done, visit with LinuxCNC people who can come, bring a project to work on, plan to work on a project for/with someone. There will be room to set up a booth with air and power if someone wants to exhibit or sell. My expectation is the weekend will see the majority of people here. There is no cost to attend. Hope to see you here Stuart -- dos centavos -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Crowdsourced mass CNC produced private weapons
On 10/18/2012 10:28 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > jeremy youngs wrote: >> so make the file yourself >> > No, that's the idea. Unless the file has some kind of encrypted code > authorized by the manufacturer of the printer in collaboration with the CAM > system, the > printer will refuse to print it. So make THE PRINTER yourself! Like Jeremy, I'm trying to stay out of the politics of this, too, but this is one of the times when it's helpful to view humanity as roughly divided into two distinct groups - those who want to control others, and those who want to be left alone to build, create, work and accomplish. Those who seek to control others do so in order to prosper from their creativity, harnessed intellect and hard work. I further subdivide the control people into two groups - those who want direct control (mostly government types) and those who empower the direct controllers and live off their table scraps (monopolies, patent hoarders, corporations that aren't competitive in a free market but make a lot more money by corrupting government, etc.) -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
