Re: [Emc-users] OT: Pogo Pins

[Erik Christiansen]

OT == Other Technology ?  ;-)

On 15.10.14 12:50, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> I recall some connectors used to connect board to board, where header 
> pins from the bottom board pass through the bottom of the top board and 
> into a connector on top. Does anyone have a link to such connectors?

Hi Kirk,

For the simple board sandwich you're describing, all you need is
"stackable headers". They're on Ebay, (I added "connectors" to the
search term, for good luck), but they have to be on Mouser and Digikey.
Most of the prices I saw on Ebay were too high - I wouldn't pay that
much - ah, 20 off 8 pin for $5, that's more like it. This one's a bit
dearer, but from HK, not the mainland, so might be a better investment:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-Pin-Stackable-Header-20-PCS-For-Arduino-R3-/320989215241?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4abc72ba09

Stackable headers are what's used e.g. between an Arduino and its
"shield". (I have one within arms reach. With four of them around its
edges, you have to take a bit of care when pulling them apart - at least
just as they separate.) All that holds the boards together is the
friction of the pins, and you can chuck the assembly across the room
without them separating.

With stackable headers, you can go for a three or four layer sandwich,
if desired. (Either with one column forming a vertical bus, or with
quite separate interconnections at some layers, offset from those
below.)

The automated test equipment probes are, as already mentioned, for
production testing of manufactured circuit boards. I wouldn't use them
for this purpose.

Erik

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Pogo Pins

[John Kasunich]

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014, at 02:23 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> John, the connector on the DUT board, in red in that .pdf, a "molex" part 
> I have to assume although there are probably other makers, is, if used for 
> board interconnect in the real world, is a time bomb with about a 1 year 
> length fuse. 

Thanks for the heads-up, but I'm not using it to mount another board.
It mates to a wire harness.

The drawing I posted is just a test fixture for the board.  The UUT spends
about 5 seconds in that arrangement.  Then it is mounted down and a
wire harness plugs into the connector.


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[Emc-users] fyi

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http://www.wired.com/2014/10/code-published-for-unfixable-usb-attack/



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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Pogo Pins

[Erik Christiansen]

On 15.10.14 16:45, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> The example pin beds I have found on the Net have used vero(?) boards
> which have .1" spacing, but the spacing I need is 5mm and .15" and I
> don't have time to make up a custom PC board.

Ah, that's a lot harder, but you'd have 5.08mm pitch when using every
second pin at 0.1" pitch. By drilling some of the holes larger, and
gluing the connector in place, that could suffice for a modest number of
pins. But there's another way to use common connectors on strange
boards, if you're game.

To add a couple of extra dual-row 10 pin headers to the Arduino board, I
gingerly ground away some of the circuit traces on both sides, drilled
holes on 0.1" grid, and super-glued the connector to the PCB. Then I
just ran fine wires where needed. Admittedly, I'll (almost certainly)
make a PCB in the longer term, but this has been fine for half a year
now. It has seen a lot of connection/disconnection handling in that
time, as I'm experimenting with the board.

To ensure alignment between boards, I'd glue one set first, and let the
other side set while mated with the first. I haven't tried hot melt
glue, and the superglue is fine for the dual-row headers. (Which can be
made up by gluing two single rows together, if that's what's to hand.)

Another thing the angle grinder excelled at was making a rectangular
cut-out in the edge of the daughterboard (shield). The coarse wheel was
like a plasma cutter, quick but very neat.

Erik

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Pogo Pins

[John Kasunich]

The probe sockets are designed to be press-fit into a CNC drilled 
plastic or bakelite plate.  The drawing even tells you what size holes
to use for a couple different plate materials.  The plate determines
the mechanical location of the pins, then depending on which socket
you use you can wire wrap, solder, or crimp wires from them to a
connector of your choice.  Or you can do what I did and lay out a
PC board that does both location and interconnect.

Andy has a CNC mill, so if he has a piece of suitable plastic and a
drill bit he can make whatever pattern he needs.


On Thu, Oct 16, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 15.10.14 16:45, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> > The example pin beds I have found on the Net have used vero(?) boards
> > which have .1" spacing, but the spacing I need is 5mm and .15" and I
> > don't have time to make up a custom PC board.
> 
> Ah, that's a lot harder, but you'd have 5.08mm pitch when using every
> second pin at 0.1" pitch. By drilling some of the holes larger, and
> gluing the connector in place, that could suffice for a modest number of
> pins. But there's another way to use common connectors on strange
> boards, if you're game.
> 
> To add a couple of extra dual-row 10 pin headers to the Arduino board, I
> gingerly ground away some of the circuit traces on both sides, drilled
> holes on 0.1" grid, and super-glued the connector to the PCB. Then I
> just ran fine wires where needed. Admittedly, I'll (almost certainly)
> make a PCB in the longer term, but this has been fine for half a year
> now. It has seen a lot of connection/disconnection handling in that
> time, as I'm experimenting with the board.
> 
> To ensure alignment between boards, I'd glue one set first, and let the
> other side set while mated with the first. I haven't tried hot melt
> glue, and the superglue is fine for the dual-row headers. (Which can be
> made up by gluing two single rows together, if that's what's to hand.)
> 
> Another thing the angle grinder excelled at was making a rectangular
> cut-out in the edge of the daughterboard (shield). The coarse wheel was
> like a plasma cutter, quick but very neat.
> 
> Erik
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[Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[David Armstrong]

Guys,
Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
integrating to Linuxcnc
and reference material etc , at the moment i'm not sure these are analog or
digital



thanks Guys
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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[andy pugh]

On 16 October 2014 16:01, David Armstrong  wrote:

> Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
> integrating to Linuxcnc

JT has them on his Bridgeport.
But I don't _think_ that machine runs LinuxCNC.

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Re: [Emc-users] Thoughts on a Python script to calculate estimated run time, for G code and my first hacked sub routine

[Sebastian Kuzminsky]

On 10/16/14 12:22 AM, Frank Tkalcevic wrote:
> Yeah, I don't have the latest trajectory planner.  3d_chips was one of my
> test files and came out ok without G64 settings.
>
> Any suggestions on how to estimate with G64?

You'd need to duplicate the functionality of the trajectory planner to 
get G64P right.  And then keep it up to date as the TP changes...

The only alternative i can think of is to somehow run the real 
trajectory planner and redirect its actual commanded waypoints away from 
the joint controllers and into your runtime estimator.

That might be useful for other reasons too (better bounds checking, 
easier testing of the TP, etc), but it'll be slower than either of the 
two current estimators.


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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[alex chiosso]

The 611 only is analog and the 611D are digital .
Do you have the complete code for that servo drive ?
I do believe that with the Siemens product code you should be able to find
the PDF documentation on the net .
I used this servo system in the past years and it's quite similar to other
servo system with reference +/-10Vdc analog input voltage .
Wich kind of motors are connected ?
1FK6 or 1FK7. (this usually installed on machine tools .

Regards

Alex

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM, andy pugh  wrote:

> On 16 October 2014 16:01, David Armstrong  wrote:
>
> > Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
> > integrating to Linuxcnc
>
> JT has them on his Bridgeport.
> But I don't _think_ that machine runs LinuxCNC.
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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[Dave Cole]

There were several different versions of the 611 drives.

Most of them were velocity mode drives with analog inputs.

I have some old ones (1992 vintage) on a lathe that runs LinuxCNC.
They could be purchased with encoder or resolver feedback and a host of 
other options.

Do you know how old they are?

Do you have a manual for them?

The 611 drives I have sit in a common rack and use a common DC bus power 
supply.

The later drives were available as standalone units.

Dave


On 10/16/2014 11:07 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 16 October 2014 16:01, David Armstrong  wrote:
>
>> Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
>> integrating to Linuxcnc
> JT has them on his Bridgeport.
> But I don't _think_ that machine runs LinuxCNC.
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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[Dave Cole]

The 611D's were also available with analog (+/- 10V) inputs.  (many options)

Dave


On 10/16/2014 11:26 AM, alex chiosso wrote:
> The 611 only is analog and the 611D are digital .
> Do you have the complete code for that servo drive ?
> I do believe that with the Siemens product code you should be able to find
> the PDF documentation on the net .
> I used this servo system in the past years and it's quite similar to other
> servo system with reference +/-10Vdc analog input voltage .
> Wich kind of motors are connected ?
> 1FK6 or 1FK7. (this usually installed on machine tools .
>
> Regards
>
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
>
>> On 16 October 2014 16:01, David Armstrong  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
>>> integrating to Linuxcnc
>> JT has them on his Bridgeport.
>> But I don't _think_ that machine runs LinuxCNC.
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[alex chiosso]

Yes Dave you are right .
The "D" should mean (digital) the technology used on the control boards .

Alex

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> The 611D's were also available with analog (+/- 10V) inputs.  (many
> options)
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 10/16/2014 11:26 AM, alex chiosso wrote:
> > The 611 only is analog and the 611D are digital .
> > Do you have the complete code for that servo drive ?
> > I do believe that with the Siemens product code you should be able to
> find
> > the PDF documentation on the net .
> > I used this servo system in the past years and it's quite similar to
> other
> > servo system with reference +/-10Vdc analog input voltage .
> > Wich kind of motors are connected ?
> > 1FK6 or 1FK7. (this usually installed on machine tools .
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> >
> >> On 16 October 2014 16:01, David Armstrong  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
> >>> integrating to Linuxcnc
> >> JT has them on his Bridgeport.
> >> But I don't _think_ that machine runs LinuxCNC.
> >>
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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[alex chiosso]

David this

is the user manual of Simodrive 611 analog.
As I told you if you can get the Siemens product code you will find all the
docs you need . :-)

Alex

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:41 PM, alex chiosso  wrote:

> Yes Dave you are right .
> The "D" should mean (digital) the technology used on the control boards .
>
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Dave Cole 
> wrote:
>
>> The 611D's were also available with analog (+/- 10V) inputs.  (many
>> options)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2014 11:26 AM, alex chiosso wrote:
>> > The 611 only is analog and the 611D are digital .
>> > Do you have the complete code for that servo drive ?
>> > I do believe that with the Siemens product code you should be able to
>> find
>> > the PDF documentation on the net .
>> > I used this servo system in the past years and it's quite similar to
>> other
>> > servo system with reference +/-10Vdc analog input voltage .
>> > Wich kind of motors are connected ?
>> > 1FK6 or 1FK7. (this usually installed on machine tools .
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 16 October 2014 16:01, David Armstrong  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
>> >>> integrating to Linuxcnc
>> >> JT has them on his Bridgeport.
>> >> But I don't _think_ that machine runs LinuxCNC.
>> >>
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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[David Armstrong]

Thanks Andy , i'll contact J T and ask


On 16 October 2014 16:07, andy pugh  wrote:

> On 16 October 2014 16:01, David Armstrong  wrote:
>
> > Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
> > integrating to Linuxcnc
>
> JT has them on his Bridgeport.
> But I don't _think_ that machine runs LinuxCNC.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Siemens simodrive 611

[John Thornton]

I never did find really good info on the 611 drives. I have one on my BP 
308 and if your using a RPC it better be a big one. The other thing I 
can recall from memory is both my Siemens drives use the same terminal 
number for the analog signal 56 or 58 I can't recall for sure. I think 
Robh sent me some manuals on them at one time. I'll see if I can find them.

JT

On 10/16/2014 10:01 AM, David Armstrong wrote:
> Guys,
> Anyone have information on the above servo systems from siemens and
> integrating to Linuxcnc
> and reference material etc , at the moment i'm not sure these are analog or
> digital
>
>
>
> thanks Guys
> Dave
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Pogo Pins

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 October 2014 09:23:00 John Kasunich did opine
And Gene did reply:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014, at 02:23 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > John, the connector on the DUT board, in red in that .pdf, a "molex"
> > part I have to assume although there are probably other makers, is,
> > if used for board interconnect in the real world, is a time bomb
> > with about a 1 year length fuse.
> 
> Thanks for the heads-up, but I'm not using it to mount another board.
> It mates to a wire harness.
> 
> The drawing I posted is just a test fixture for the board.  The UUT
> spends about 5 seconds in that arrangement.  Then it is mounted down
> and a wire harness plugs into the connector.

Whatever is plopped down on those style connectors still needs to have 
those pressure causing retainer lips removed, that pressure that breaks 
the trace off the board is relentless.  That relatively large pin and its 
socket in the header, have more than enough grip to retain it on anything 
but a mutant, bring down the walls at Jerico, paint shaker.  If thats the 
environment, drill a hole for a tie-wrap to loop around it for a retainer.  
Where they were used in that nearly 40yo HiGain 623, there was a slotted 
micarta bar over the top of the daughter boards that would have withstood 
that paint shaker. There were of coarse other things that would not have 
survived, but that "card cage" without the actual cage would have.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] fyi

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 October 2014 09:31:08 kqt4a...@gmail.com did opine
And Gene did reply:
> http://www.wired.com/2014/10/code-published-for-unfixable-usb-attack/
> 
Loverly, just fscking luverly.  The race between better mice & better 
mousetraps continues apace, but I think the mice are the leaders, and have 
been for quite some time.

I wonder how many of the usb keys you can buy at wallies/staples are 
already infected? 

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Re: [Emc-users] Conditional code- GOTO

[alex chiosso]

Hi to all.
Wondering why the GOTO feature is a bad thing to have I was reading a USA
brand CNC manufacturer (Delta Tau PMAC-NC Pro2
) and they use
GOTO as a standard function for the NC program control into parametric
programming FANUC style .
And they declare :

> To maintain FANUC compatibility, this form of a conditional expression
> should be adhered to.
> GOTO expressions  can be followed by an expression 
>

Regards

Alex :-)

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> On 10/7/2014 9:05 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Dave Cole 
> wrote:
> >
> >>> Ugh.  Did you have to get on the Pennsy Turnpike?  Gawd, I hate that
> >> road.
> >>> Mark
> >> I share that hate.   The PA turnpike should be condemned... just give up
> >> on it and build another road.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >
> > Especially sections between Pittsburgh and Breezewood.  And don't get me
> > started on the Breezewood exit, especially on a weekend.
> >
> > Who was the brilliant engineer that decided to make the exit for I-70 off
> > I-76 go through a town with a bunch of red lights?  It's even more
> > ridiculous on the weekends.
>
> That is utter insanity.
>
> I've been through there a couple of times. My immediate thought was
> that "some money changed hands to make this happen" ! !
>
> I can see that happening because things changed over the years, but this
> is 2014 and that needs to be fixed.
>
> The last few trips to DC I have been avoiding the PA turnpike by driving
> south and then across Maryland.
> The PA turnpike is not worth it.   Its unsafe and they charge you $$ to
> drive it.
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] F0

[a k]

Hi
i did mistake -instead F0 i should say G0 and G1.
sorry.
i can see that G0 and G1 not remappable
but G code from  ---14.2. Currently unallocated G-codes:
can be remap.
am i right?

thanks
aram



On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:56 AM, andy pugh  wrote:

> On 13 October 2014 18:23, a k  wrote:
> > Hello
> > is it possible to make to emc2 send/generate signal like I/O signal-5 V
> DC
> > -  when system reads F0 -rapid move?
>
> Yes. But you might have to read some documentation.
> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/structure.html
> Section 4.1 says that F is remappable.
> the stdglue.py creates a parametr # which contains the feed rate.
> So, you remap F to call a fragment of g-code like
>
> O sub
> O100 if [# eq 0]
> M64 P0
> O100 else
>F#
>M65 P0
> O100 endif
> O endsub
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Re: [Emc-users] F0

[a k]

in addition
when machine will read
G0.1 or G0.2  etc unallocated G-codes---
will system generate Error - unrecognized code or simply skip them and move
to the next ?

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM, a k  wrote:

> Hi
> i did mistake -instead F0 i should say G0 and G1.
> sorry.
> i can see that G0 and G1 not remappable
> but G code from  ---14.2. Currently unallocated G-codes:
> can be remap.
> am i right?
>
> thanks
> aram
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:56 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
>
>> On 13 October 2014 18:23, a k  wrote:
>> > Hello
>> > is it possible to make to emc2 send/generate signal like I/O signal-5 V
>> DC
>> > -  when system reads F0 -rapid move?
>>
>> Yes. But you might have to read some documentation.
>> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/structure.html
>> Section 4.1 says that F is remappable.
>> the stdglue.py creates a parametr # which contains the feed rate.
>> So, you remap F to call a fragment of g-code like
>>
>> O sub
>> O100 if [# eq 0]
>> M64 P0
>> O100 else
>>F#
>>M65 P0
>> O100 endif
>> O endsub
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] F0

[andy pugh]

On 16 October 2014 21:24, a k  wrote:
> in addition
> when machine will read
> G0.1 or G0.2  etc unallocated G-codes---
> will system generate Error - unrecognized code or simply skip them and move
> to the next ?

If the code doesn't exist, that is an error.

If you have created the code, then the code exists.

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