Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC
Am 16.10.2013 20:36, schrieb Gene Heskett: Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays. Gene, having read about all this fuss with US health insurance, in your case it seems to me having one would be helpful... Peter -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Friday 18 October 2013 10:08:09 Peter Blodow did opine: Am 16.10.2013 20:36, schrieb Gene Heskett: Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays. Gene, having read about all this fuss with US health insurance, in your case it seems to me having one would be helpful... Peter Well, TBT I haven't checked into it, primarily because you have to give them way too much info to even get an estimate. From some other horror stories, just the 2 notations on the present conditions chart for HPT and DM-II would likely be well above $2000/month with a $5000 deductible. There is nothing affordable about that. And its unreal considering that the scripts for that are under $30/month, somebody ATM, the supplemental policy is under $200/month, and the deductible is $250. If they don't force me to, I am NOT opening that for renegotiation. $30k-35k is about the going price for a replacement, out of my reach w/o using quite a bit of the wifes 403b's. That isn't on MY agenda. But, he took quite a few pix yesterday when he came back from looking at the pix, asked if I was as old as it said on the chart, I was in great shape, for a 50yo. He seems to think I did something to the an interior ligament, that that it would in due time stretch back out for full extension motion. So basically nothing but stretching exercises made another appointment for late November to check progress. In the meantime, I'm suitably miserable. Sigh. But it is getting better, just at speeds typical for the DM-II on the chart. Eg, slow. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Truly simple systems... require infinite testing. -- Norman Augustine A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Gene, that is really good news ... I'll tell my friends in Warsaw that they will have to cancel their new Yacht purchase since your knee will be ok! ;-) Apparently... you are not as old as you feel. :-) Dave On 10/18/2013 10:35 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 18 October 2013 10:08:09 Peter Blodow did opine: Am 16.10.2013 20:36, schrieb Gene Heskett: Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays. Gene, having read about all this fuss with US health insurance, in your case it seems to me having one would be helpful... Peter Well, TBT I haven't checked into it, primarily because you have to give them way too much info to even get an estimate. From some other horror stories, just the 2 notations on the present conditions chart for HPT and DM-II would likely be well above $2000/month with a $5000 deductible. There is nothing affordable about that. And its unreal considering that the scripts for that are under $30/month, somebody ATM, the supplemental policy is under $200/month, and the deductible is $250. If they don't force me to, I am NOT opening that for renegotiation. $30k-35k is about the going price for a replacement, out of my reach w/o using quite a bit of the wifes 403b's. That isn't on MY agenda. But, he took quite a few pix yesterday when he came back from looking at the pix, asked if I was as old as it said on the chart, I was in great shape, for a 50yo. He seems to think I did something to the an interior ligament, that that it would in due time stretch back out for full extension motion. So basically nothing but stretching exercises made another appointment for late November to check progress. In the meantime, I'm suitably miserable. Sigh. But it is getting better, just at speeds typical for the DM-II on the chart. Eg, slow. Cheers, Gene -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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It just bothers me to no end that Insurance companies have managed (finagled) themselves into the position of gate keeper to health care. In doing so have pushed the cost of said health care to the moon. I wish I could negotiate similar rates to what the insurance companies have done, and not have to buy insurance. I would be money way ahead! And now the government mandate. I feel s sorry for the next three to four generations! --J. Ray Mitchell Jr. jrmitche...@gmail.com (818)324-7573 “Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies.” — Ron Paul On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 18 October 2013 10:08:09 Peter Blodow did opine: Am 16.10.2013 20:36, schrieb Gene Heskett: Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays. Gene, having read about all this fuss with US health insurance, in your case it seems to me having one would be helpful... Peter Well, TBT I haven't checked into it, primarily because you have to give them way too much info to even get an estimate. From some other horror stories, just the 2 notations on the present conditions chart for HPT and DM-II would likely be well above $2000/month with a $5000 deductible. There is nothing affordable about that. And its unreal considering that the scripts for that are under $30/month, somebody ATM, the supplemental policy is under $200/month, and the deductible is $250. If they don't force me to, I am NOT opening that for renegotiation. $30k-35k is about the going price for a replacement, out of my reach w/o using quite a bit of the wifes 403b's. That isn't on MY agenda. But, he took quite a few pix yesterday when he came back from looking at the pix, asked if I was as old as it said on the chart, I was in great shape, for a 50yo. He seems to think I did something to the an interior ligament, that that it would in due time stretch back out for full extension motion. So basically nothing but stretching exercises made another appointment for late November to check progress. In the meantime, I'm suitably miserable. Sigh. But it is getting better, just at speeds typical for the DM-II on the chart. Eg, slow. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Truly simple systems... require infinite testing. -- Norman Augustine A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC
On Friday 18 October 2013 11:37:40 Dave Cole did opine: Gene, that is really good news ... I'll tell my friends in Warsaw that they will have to cancel their new Yacht purchase since your knee will be ok! ;-) Chuckle. Yeah, as an old Iowa farm kid, doing what you can with what you have has never been educated out of me. Having these cnc machinery toys has let me invent, often from the scrap iron pile, lots of things I couldn't afford to buy. Funny part is, you don't go shopping, and then make, I tend to make then go shopping to see if I could have bought it cheaper faster. I sometimes find I could have, but I like that silly grin doing it yourself generates. Apparently... you are not as old as you feel. :-) I still feel with my fingers, but it doesn't do me a whole lot of good, see the DM-II note. And Dee doesn't care either since they took her flowerless body off the HRT 20 years back. Not quite a shrug, but close. Dave Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 18 October 2013 16:48, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Funny part is, you don't go shopping, and then make, I tend to make then go shopping to see if I could have bought it cheaper faster. I quite often go shopping in unexpected places when I decide to make something on a sunday or late at night. It's amazing what useful material you can find inside items sold by Ikea or 24-hr supermarkets. As an example, Ikea Grundtal is quite a lot of stainless steel tube for not a lot of money, and available on Sunday (here at least). http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00011428/ -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Friday 18 October 2013 12:05:22 andy pugh did opine: On 18 October 2013 16:48, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Funny part is, you don't go shopping, and then make, I tend to make then go shopping to see if I could have bought it cheaper faster. I quite often go shopping in unexpected places when I decide to make something on a sunday or late at night. It's amazing what useful material you can find inside items sold by Ikea or 24-hr supermarkets. As an example, Ikea Grundtal is quite a lot of stainless steel tube Looks like, for 12 or 17 pounds S., not too shabby for a Sunday. But I don't have anything to weld it with, limited to MIG, with steel or alu wire have never tried the alu wire. IIRC that SS needs a TIG? for not a lot of money, and available on Sunday (here at least). http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00011428/ And obviously you have learned to work with that which you can get, or already have. And while we have no local IKEA (nearest I'm aware of is west of Pittsburgh PA on US 60 headed toward the PIT airport, 2.75+ hours away on the superslab), we have an ALDI, but they're 99% grocery oriented here. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Never tell people how to do things. Tell them WHAT to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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If you have a torch, Mapp or Acetylene/Air at least, you can silver solder Stainless.Which is probably the way to go if it is thin tube. Dave On 10/18/2013 12:19 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 18 October 2013 12:05:22 andy pugh did opine: On 18 October 2013 16:48, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Funny part is, you don't go shopping, and then make, I tend to make then go shopping to see if I could have bought it cheaper faster. I quite often go shopping in unexpected places when I decide to make something on a sunday or late at night. It's amazing what useful material you can find inside items sold by Ikea or 24-hr supermarkets. As an example, Ikea Grundtal is quite a lot of stainless steel tube Looks like, for 12 or 17 pounds S., not too shabby for a Sunday. But I don't have anything to weld it with, limited to MIG, with steel or alu wire have never tried the alu wire. IIRC that SS needs a TIG? for not a lot of money, and available on Sunday (here at least). http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00011428/ And obviously you have learned to work with that which you can get, or already have. And while we have no local IKEA (nearest I'm aware of is west of Pittsburgh PA on US 60 headed toward the PIT airport, 2.75+ hours away on the superslab), we have an ALDI, but they're 99% grocery oriented here. Cheers, Gene -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC
On Friday 18 October 2013 13:31:43 Dave Cole did opine: If you have a torch, Mapp or Acetylene/Air at least, you can silver solder Stainless.Which is probably the way to go if it is thin tube. Dave I have a MAPP kit, bought it new several years ago. Its worthless, the fire is not controllable. Never was from pulling it out of the blisterpack. On 10/18/2013 12:19 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 18 October 2013 12:05:22 andy pugh did opine: On 18 October 2013 16:48, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Funny part is, you don't go shopping, and then make, I tend to make then go shopping to see if I could have bought it cheaper faster. I quite often go shopping in unexpected places when I decide to make something on a sunday or late at night. It's amazing what useful material you can find inside items sold by Ikea or 24-hr supermarkets. As an example, Ikea Grundtal is quite a lot of stainless steel tube Looks like, for 12 or 17 pounds S., not too shabby for a Sunday. But I don't have anything to weld it with, limited to MIG, with steel or alu wire have never tried the alu wire. IIRC that SS needs a TIG? for not a lot of money, and available on Sunday (here at least). http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00011428/ And obviously you have learned to work with that which you can get, or already have. And while we have no local IKEA (nearest I'm aware of is west of Pittsburgh PA on US 60 headed toward the PIT airport, 2.75+ hours away on the superslab), we have an ALDI, but they're 99% grocery oriented here. Cheers, Gene -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.cl ktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Alaska: A prelude to No. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC
On Thursday 17 October 2013 09:25:21 Dave Cole did opine: On 10/16/2013 9:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: 'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ... Yeah, I've heard rumors of 30 large. I'll limp along on this for that sort of money. I can make me a polio style brace for far less than that. It is improving, albeit slowly but I'm only using the crutches maybe 25% of the time the last 2 days. ;-) I probably won't go far enough to properly break it in anyway since I'm already 79 counting. Diabetics don't come with any warranty either. Ticker up and quit, generally with no warnings. 30 large... does not surprise me. Did I mention that there are many very nice houses, located on the many lakes around and in Warsaw?? My Dad is almost 83 and is a type II diabetic and he says his knees are giving him problems now also.. but I can't see much difference. He still gets around pretty good. Diabetes is a pain but it is manageable for him.I suspect I will not escape that either. My parents just remodeled their house... Mom is 83. I thought they would add on a wheelchair accessible bathroom.. nope. A new large room out the back and they pushed out the front of the house so he would have a bigger office. The remodel took an entire year.. and now I hear that they have further remodeling plans in the works! When you find out how you can get a warranty .. let us know. ;-) I'm not sure I want any warning.. Dave Neither do I. Kinda like that old joke about grandpa dieing in his sleep, unlike his screaming passengers. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.cl ktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Now I lay me back to sleep. The speaker's dull; the subject's deep. If he should stop before I wake, Give me a nudge for goodness' sake. -- Anonymous A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC
Sorry for posting late to this one, but I think a big off putting issue remains the hardware requirements for the real time kernel. Anybody wanting to just try it out always has doubts, based on reading the wiki on whether a computer they happen to have, or to purchase will run it ok and not easy to know in advance. Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. For the record, I've just completed the x y axis on a bca jig borer and have used linuxcnc since the beginning, but I have been through 3 computers and the latest is the best but still gives me the odd unexplained real time error. Matthew -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Matthew; I agree with the will my computer work comment - an intuitive observation. We set expectations for LinuxCNC to fail unless lucky, whilst Mach3 sets it up to run, and failure is an unlucky event. Also, LinuxCNC focuses on software stepping, which requires good latency, whilst Mach3 people seem to be pushing outboard step generation boards - maybe for obvious reasons! With your issue with computers and the odd unexplained real time error, I found when soft-stepping that the update manager starting up, or crossing the mouse across a windows boundary, would cause an error to happen. It never seemed to affect anything. Now with the Mesa boards, the tight loop is not required, so I can run really fast, and never get an error on-screen. John. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Are we naive because we use steppers or because we dont know what is happening. I have used steppers on both systems for a long time. If the machine is operated within decent operating limits, you will not have any problems whatsoever. Even when running steppers. Dont believe that servos are any better, I replace them often with steppers. Closed loop control is only as good as the mechanical conditions allow. And yes, a machine that does not perform correctly will mostly have incorrect settings. Or a heap of other rubbish running on the machine that has nothing to do with CNC. I use the PC on a machine just for that and nothing else. It is a machine controller after all, not a games PC or the like. I use a ATOM 525 on all the upgrades or new machines that I build. If done correctly, no problems at all. On 2013/10/16 03:39 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 131016-0, 2013/10/16 Tested on: 2013/10/16 04:30:22 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Hi Marius, did you say that about cost reasons of steppers against servos? regards rick 2013/10/16 Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za: Are we naive because we use steppers or because we dont know what is happening. I have used steppers on both systems for a long time. If the machine is operated within decent operating limits, you will not have any problems whatsoever. Even when running steppers. Dont believe that servos are any better, I replace them often with steppers. Closed loop control is only as good as the mechanical conditions allow. And yes, a machine that does not perform correctly will mostly have incorrect settings. Or a heap of other rubbish running on the machine that has nothing to do with CNC. I use the PC on a machine just for that and nothing else. It is a machine controller after all, not a games PC or the like. I use a ATOM 525 on all the upgrades or new machines that I build. If done correctly, no problems at all. On 2013/10/16 03:39 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 131016-0, 2013/10/16 Tested on: 2013/10/16 04:30:22 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Sure Mach3 can have hardware issues also.. that is well documented. The usual solution is to use a different PC motherboard, which is pretty much what the LinuxCNC guys end up doing also.Mach3 is not recommended for laptops since their power saving features often screw things up. I chatted with Brian Barker of Artsoft/Mach3 fame recently and he told me that the new Mach4 software is cross platform compatible and they are planning on being able to run it on Linux and dedicated hardware like the Beagle Bone.. So smart move.. and I stand corrected. He is still working on Mach4 vigorously. Has anyone heard of any new Intel Mini ITX board announcements? I thought that Intel was going to release some new Mini ITX boards either this fall or next Spring that did away with the VR video chips that have caused so many problems for Linux and were only Windows 7/8 compatible. The CPUs are on this list -- at the bottom and show a release date of 4th quarter, 2013 - NOW! http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035 They use Intel HD graphics which should fix a lot of things for Linux users ... I hope! Dave On 10/16/2013 9:39 AM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Personally having used both mach3 as well as LinuxCNC now for awhile, I can honestly say that I would never go back to Mach3. It was quirky at best for me and did a lot of funky things for no apparent reason. The basic system was stable but you could not do to much dancing around on the main screens or between them without running into issues. I now have linuxCNC running my Cincinatti Arrow 500 VMC for some time now and the basic system is dead stable. It ALWAYS runs and does what I expect it to. My build is still not completed as I am working on the toolchanger and spindle feedback but the system is entirely configurable and can basically be made to do anything. It is running closed loop with my servos and it is awesome to see the readouts on the drives showing actual position no matter what the computer is doing. I still have a ways to go with the machine as far as the retrofit being completed but the machine is usable now with three axes and spindle and coolant and power drawbar working as well as the homes and limits and estop circuit. It actually has been sitting quite a bit because I have been unable to find paying work for the machine lately and took on a custom cabinet kitchen build. Since I finished that I went back to the machine after it sat for two months idle and it fired right up and homed out and I ran a program in air without issues. Nice to know it is there when I need it. Just wished I NEEDED it a lot more. Been trying to scrape up paying work for the machine but having little luck. Everyone it seems either wants something onesy or twosy and paying nothing for it or they are things that I do not wish to take on due to legalities like gun stuff or whatnot. I am not up on all the laws and really do not want to get into any trouble. Would LOVE to find someone who has a part that is needed a lot of and on a consistent basis to make here to bring in some good money. Anyways, I cannot imagine why anyone would PAY for Mach3 when LinuxCNC is so capable and more professional in scope and it is free to use... It did take a little more of a programming knowledge to get it working but nothing crazy really. If I did not have Connor to come over to help me with it I am sure it would have taken longer but I think I could have trudged thru with the ample help of folks on here and elsewhere. Peace Pete On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Sure Mach3 can have hardware issues also.. that is well documented. The usual solution is to use a different PC motherboard, which is pretty much what the LinuxCNC guys end up doing also.Mach3 is not recommended for laptops since their power saving features often screw things up. I chatted with Brian Barker of Artsoft/Mach3 fame recently and he told me that the new Mach4 software is cross platform compatible and they are planning on being able to run it on Linux and dedicated hardware like the Beagle Bone.. So smart move.. and I stand corrected. He is still working on Mach4 vigorously. Has anyone heard of any new Intel Mini ITX board announcements? I thought that Intel was going to release some new Mini ITX boards either this fall or next Spring that did away with the VR video chips that have caused so many problems for Linux and were only Windows 7/8 compatible. The CPUs are on this list -- at the bottom and show a release date of 4th quarter, 2013 - NOW! http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035 They use Intel HD graphics which should fix a lot of things for Linux users ... I hope! Dave On 10/16/2013 9:39 AM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors
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Yes Ricardo, mostly cost and simplicity. I love servos but if I quoted servos for every machine I would be very hungry and weight a lot less than what I do now. :) I have never set up a machine with steppers that is not as accurate as any servo. The only big downside with steppers for me is the speed does not compare to servos. The last plasma I built with LCNC does 20m/sec on the X and Y axis and about 8m/sec on the Z. The fastest that the machine ever cuts is 8m/sec. The rest is wasted. On 2013/10/16 05:20 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote: Hi Marius, did you say that about cost reasons of steppers against servos? regards rick 2013/10/16 Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za: Are we naive because we use steppers or because we dont know what is happening. I have used steppers on both systems for a long time. If the machine is operated within decent operating limits, you will not have any problems whatsoever. Even when running steppers. Dont believe that servos are any better, I replace them often with steppers. Closed loop control is only as good as the mechanical conditions allow. And yes, a machine that does not perform correctly will mostly have incorrect settings. Or a heap of other rubbish running on the machine that has nothing to do with CNC. I use the PC on a machine just for that and nothing else. It is a machine controller after all, not a games PC or the like. I use a ATOM 525 on all the upgrades or new machines that I build. If done correctly, no problems at all. On 2013/10/16 03:39 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 131016-0, 2013/10/16 Tested on: 2013/10/16 04:30:22 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 131016-0, 2013/10/16 Tested on: 2013/10/16 06:48:46 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list
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On Wednesday 16 October 2013 13:40:05 Dave Cole did opine: Sure Mach3 can have hardware issues also.. that is well documented. The usual solution is to use a different PC motherboard, which is pretty much what the LinuxCNC guys end up doing also.Mach3 is not recommended for laptops since their power saving features often screw things up. I chatted with Brian Barker of Artsoft/Mach3 fame recently and he told me that the new Mach4 software is cross platform compatible and they are planning on being able to run it on Linux and dedicated hardware like the Beagle Bone.. So smart move.. and I stand corrected. He is still working on Mach4 vigorously. Has anyone heard of any new Intel Mini ITX board announcements? I thought that Intel was going to release some new Mini ITX boards either this fall or next Spring that did away with the VR video chips that have caused so many problems for Linux and were only Windows 7/8 compatible. The CPUs are on this list -- at the bottom and show a release date of 4th quarter, 2013 - NOW! http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035 They use Intel HD graphics which should fix a lot of things for Linux users ... I hope! Dave The one item I take note of is that there are no parportson these next gen boards, so in addition to the correct psu, one would need to buy a parport card in pci-e format, so the bottom line for the $51 board is still pushing the $100 area by the time its actually moving motors. It seems to me that more of the effort s/b directed at BBB development. I am eagerly awaiting an i/o cape that either duplicates the parport (less desirable though as thats an artificial line number restriction), or perhaps even better, replaces my C1G breakouts, hopefully having the opto buffering and tally leds that it (the C1G) has. Only more of them because the BBB has more and can do more things if the constraints of the db25 are removed. Nother Subject: There is an old Porter lathe, probably dating to around 1900, presently sitting out in the weather, no motor, well rusted ways, about a 12 or 14 obviously much newer 4 jaw chuck, about a 6 or 7 foot bed, no change gears either. Lantern style tool post is there, but its WYSIWYG. Guy wants $500 for it, and I'd have to find a motor, replace the screws with ball screws and rig some big steppers to run them with LCNC. Question is, is it worth $20 for the cast iron, or worth making a counteroffer on? It looks like its solid, but even more work than Andy's Rivet to get it throwing swarf again. On 10/16/2013 9:39 AM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg. clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.cl ktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It's better to be wanted for murder that not to be wanted at all. -- Marty Winch A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register
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In the midwest USA, that would be worth scrap value less the haul away charge.. Scrap like that is going for about $220 per ton around me.That guy will be waiting a long. time if he wants more than scrap value for it.. Sounds like a lot of work! Dave On 10/16/2013 2:04 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 16 October 2013 13:40:05 Dave Cole did opine: Sure Mach3 can have hardware issues also.. that is well documented. The usual solution is to use a different PC motherboard, which is pretty much what the LinuxCNC guys end up doing also.Mach3 is not recommended for laptops since their power saving features often screw things up. I chatted with Brian Barker of Artsoft/Mach3 fame recently and he told me that the new Mach4 software is cross platform compatible and they are planning on being able to run it on Linux and dedicated hardware like the Beagle Bone.. So smart move.. and I stand corrected. He is still working on Mach4 vigorously. Has anyone heard of any new Intel Mini ITX board announcements? I thought that Intel was going to release some new Mini ITX boards either this fall or next Spring that did away with the VR video chips that have caused so many problems for Linux and were only Windows 7/8 compatible. The CPUs are on this list -- at the bottom and show a release date of 4th quarter, 2013 - NOW! http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035 They use Intel HD graphics which should fix a lot of things for Linux users ... I hope! Dave The one item I take note of is that there are no parportson these next gen boards, so in addition to the correct psu, one would need to buy a parport card in pci-e format, so the bottom line for the $51 board is still pushing the $100 area by the time its actually moving motors. It seems to me that more of the effort s/b directed at BBB development. I am eagerly awaiting an i/o cape that either duplicates the parport (less desirable though as thats an artificial line number restriction), or perhaps even better, replaces my C1G breakouts, hopefully having the opto buffering and tally leds that it (the C1G) has. Only more of them because the BBB has more and can do more things if the constraints of the db25 are removed. Nother Subject: There is an old Porter lathe, probably dating to around 1900, presently sitting out in the weather, no motor, well rusted ways, about a 12 or 14 obviously much newer 4 jaw chuck, about a 6 or 7 foot bed, no change gears either. Lantern style tool post is there, but its WYSIWYG. Guy wants $500 for it, and I'd have to find a motor, replace the screws with ball screws and rig some big steppers to run them with LCNC. Question is, is it worth $20 for the cast iron, or worth making a counteroffer on? It looks like its solid, but even more work than Andy's Rivet to get it throwing swarf again. On 10/16/2013 9:39 AM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg. clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.cl ktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk
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On Wednesday 16 October 2013 14:28:15 Dave Cole did opine: In the midwest USA, that would be worth scrap value less the haul away charge.. I am in WV. I don't think scrap cast even makes $180/ton here. Scrap like that is going for about $220 per ton around me.That guy will be waiting a long. time if he wants more than scrap value for it.. Sounds like a lot of work! Dave Looks like it too. OTOH, it would keep me out of the bars for several months. His $500 includes local delivery. He doesn't know what it weighs, my guess would be some north of half a ton, but I'm not noted for being good at such swags. Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays. On 10/16/2013 2:04 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 16 October 2013 13:40:05 Dave Cole did opine: Sure Mach3 can have hardware issues also.. that is well documented. The usual solution is to use a different PC motherboard, which is pretty much what the LinuxCNC guys end up doing also.Mach3 is not recommended for laptops since their power saving features often screw things up. I chatted with Brian Barker of Artsoft/Mach3 fame recently and he told me that the new Mach4 software is cross platform compatible and they are planning on being able to run it on Linux and dedicated hardware like the Beagle Bone.. So smart move.. and I stand corrected. He is still working on Mach4 vigorously. Has anyone heard of any new Intel Mini ITX board announcements? I thought that Intel was going to release some new Mini ITX boards either this fall or next Spring that did away with the VR video chips that have caused so many problems for Linux and were only Windows 7/8 compatible. The CPUs are on this list -- at the bottom and show a release date of 4th quarter, 2013 - NOW! http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035 They use Intel HD graphics which should fix a lot of things for Linux users ... I hope! Dave The one item I take note of is that there are no parportson these next gen boards, so in addition to the correct psu, one would need to buy a parport card in pci-e format, so the bottom line for the $51 board is still pushing the $100 area by the time its actually moving motors. It seems to me that more of the effort s/b directed at BBB development. I am eagerly awaiting an i/o cape that either duplicates the parport (less desirable though as thats an artificial line number restriction), or perhaps even better, replaces my C1G breakouts, hopefully having the opto buffering and tally leds that it (the C1G) has. Only more of them because the BBB has more and can do more things if the constraints of the db25 are removed. Nother Subject: There is an old Porter lathe, probably dating to around 1900, presently sitting out in the weather, no motor, well rusted ways, about a 12 or 14 obviously much newer 4 jaw chuck, about a 6 or 7 foot bed, no change gears either. Lantern style tool post is there, but its WYSIWYG. Guy wants $500 for it, and I'd have to find a motor, replace the screws with ball screws and rig some big steppers to run them with LCNC. Question is, is it worth $20 for the cast iron, or worth making a counteroffer on? It looks like its solid, but even more work than Andy's Rivet to get it throwing swarf again. On 10/16/2013 9:39 AM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem dr.mc...@virgin.net wrote: Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty. I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc with hardware, it's just that most naive users have step/dir hardware so they don't really see the glitches. Unless they miss steps. But then it's blamed on settings. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg . clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - --- -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register
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On 10/16/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays. I'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ... Most of the artificial joints made in the USA are made just west of me about 30 miles, in and about Warsaw, Indiana They have huge plants that machine them. It is big business in Indiana. Dave -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Not quite wasted I don't think, because the extra power gives you more acceleration which is important for keeping your speed up on corners and smaller arcs for plamsa cutting. On 10/16/2013 11:48 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Yes Ricardo, mostly cost and simplicity. I love servos but if I quoted servos for every machine I would be very hungry and weight a lot less than what I do now. :) I have never set up a machine with steppers that is not as accurate as any servo. The only big downside with steppers for me is the speed does not compare to servos. The last plasma I built with LCNC does 20m/sec on the X and Y axis and about 8m/sec on the Z. The fastest that the machine ever cuts is 8m/sec. The rest is wasted. On 2013/10/16 05:20 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote: Hi Marius, did you say that about cost reasons of steppers against servos? regards rick -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Are we naive because...? I clipped it there because naive in the context I used it in means a person that doesn't have the experience or understanding required to make a proper judgement, in this case about whether mach has lower requirements for motherboard real-time performance. Lots of experienced people use steppers. From what I've seen online, some people get an education on the requirements for real-time motherboard performance requirements of Mach. And there is some discussion about what computers work with Mach and which don't. It's just that linuxcnc has a web page about it and a way to measure the problem, which gives some people the misconception that linuxcnc has stricter requirements. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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That was tong in cheek. I understand and agree with the sentiments. I sometimes have to de-tune windows in order to get Mach to perform sufficiently on some machines. I will only use Mach if my user insists and if they dont have much inclination to get to know their machine. On 2013/10/16 10:36 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Are we naive because...? I clipped it there because naive in the context I used it in means a person that doesn't have the experience or understanding required to make a proper judgement, in this case about whether mach has lower requirements for motherboard real-time performance. Lots of experienced people use steppers. From what I've seen online, some people get an education on the requirements for real-time motherboard performance requirements of Mach. And there is some discussion about what computers work with Mach and which don't. It's just that linuxcnc has a web page about it and a way to measure the problem, which gives some people the misconception that linuxcnc has stricter requirements. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 131016-0, 2013/10/16 Tested on: 2013/10/16 11:15:25 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wednesday 16 October 2013 21:21:58 Dave Cole did opine: On 10/16/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays. I'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ... Yeah, I've heard rumors of 30 large. I'll limp along on this for that sort of money. I can make me a polio style brace for far less than that. It is improving, albeit slowly but I'm only using the crutches maybe 25% of the time the last 2 days. ;-) I probably won't go far enough to properly break it in anyway since I'm already 79 counting. Diabetics don't come with any warranty either. Ticker up and quit, generally with no warnings. Most of the artificial joints made in the USA are made just west of me about 30 miles, in and about Warsaw, Indiana They have huge plants that machine them. It is big business in Indiana. It must be, when I hear rumors of 30 large per joint. Dave -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.cl ktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Insults are effective only where emotion is present. -- Spock, Who Mourns for Adonais? stardate 3468.1 A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 10/16/2013 9:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: 'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ... Yeah, I've heard rumors of 30 large. I'll limp along on this for that sort of money. I can make me a polio style brace for far less than that. It is improving, albeit slowly but I'm only using the crutches maybe 25% of the time the last 2 days. ;-) I probably won't go far enough to properly break it in anyway since I'm already 79 counting. Diabetics don't come with any warranty either. Ticker up and quit, generally with no warnings. 30 large... does not surprise me. Did I mention that there are many very nice houses, located on the many lakes around and in Warsaw?? My Dad is almost 83 and is a type II diabetic and he says his knees are giving him problems now also.. but I can't see much difference. He still gets around pretty good. Diabetes is a pain but it is manageable for him.I suspect I will not escape that either. My parents just remodeled their house... Mom is 83. I thought they would add on a wheelchair accessible bathroom.. nope. A new large room out the back and they pushed out the front of the house so he would have a bigger office. The remodel took an entire year.. and now I hear that they have further remodeling plans in the works! When you find out how you can get a warranty .. let us know. ;-) I'm not sure I want any warning.. Dave -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Rindert, How long ago did you buy your WinCNC machine? I thought that they used some proprietary hardware for step generation. Were you able to use it for your LinuxCNC set up? What type of machine do you have? We have a machine running WinCNC and use G-code on it exclusively. Our set up is on a multi head gang router (4 independent Z axis). This is a relatively simple configuration in WinCNC but would be very difficult to configure in LinuxCNC. What parts of G-code wouldn't work for you in WinCNC? For what we use it for WinCNC is probably slightly better (3D wood carving) because of LinuxCNCs line look ahead limitations. - Original Message - From: RINDERT SCHUTTEN rind...@schuttenworks.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:09:29 PM Subject: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC. So I recently got my second CNC machine for my small business. The first machine was a DIY kit, and (obviously) I used EMC on Ubuntu. Got the CD, installed it on my old PC went through the stepconf wizard, and it ran! Since then have created lots of Gcode and products. I said obviously, because being new at CNC, and an open source fan I did not want to spend a lot of up front money. So I use Inkscape (with a Gcode generator extension) for CAD and EMC for machine control. All open source and LOVE the flow I created. Created my own coding standards, and even though Gcode is quite arcane, it is very powerful and EMC's support for it is EXCELLENT. I use parameters, subroutines, conditionals, repeats, etc, so everything I make can easily be scaled, positioned, replicated, all from the Gcode file. Actually, don't know about Mach 3, but the control software that came with my new machine, WinPCNC, even though it said it supported Gcode, could not run my Gcode. Actually their support for Gcode is minimal. For me this meant to get EMC to work with my new machine (relatively easy and straightforward once you have all the parameters of the controller), in order to be able to run everything as I was used to. So I have NO issues with LinuxCNC. On the contrary I am quite happy with it. Granted I do not do very complicated things, only three axis, but I love the way it works, and LOve AXIS as well. That it only runs on Linux is NO problem. Actually it is STABLE ,and I have not experienced a single crash. I appreciate that! Rindert Schutten Designer/Owner SchuttenWorks Find us on the Web at http://schuttenworks.com Like us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/schuttenworks - -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 10 October 2013 12:22, Todd Zuercher zuerc...@embarqmail.com wrote: Our set up is on a multi head gang router (4 independent Z axis). This is a relatively simple configuration in WinCNC but would be very difficult to configure in LinuxCNC. What does the G-code look like for that? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Quoth Charles Steinkuehler. On 10/8/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Layne wrote: For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO That's why I'm trying _really_ hard to get LinuxCNC working well on the BeagleBone. The maker crowd with desktop CNC mills and 3D printers is far less scared of Linux than the average man. That's probably a very good strategy. It could turn out to be an popular off-the-shelf solution to a lot of CNC projects if it's wrapped up nicely with a pretty bow around it :-) A lot of folk are actually scared of configurability (sp?). As others have noted, they want an appliance not something that's a project in it's own right. --- Going a little Off Topic FWIW, I was intrigued and bought a BBB to play with. I didn't end up using it for my Mill CNC project as I couldn't find any concise documentation on how you actually connected the BBB to motors and switches (I'm a programmer of business systems by trade and know naff all about CNC or electronics). Did I need a cape? Could I just connect to conventional drivers like a parallel port? Do I need to solder wires on or is there a screw type connector that fits the sockets? It wasn't obvious. I guess this info probably does exist but I couldn't find it via Google at the time. Perhaps a blow by blow blog/project might help others who are looking. -- Regards, Russell | Russell Brown | MAIL: russ...@lls.com PHONE: 01780 471800 | | Lady Lodge Systems | WWW Work: http://www.lls.com | | Peterborough, England | WWW Play: http://www.ruffle.me.uk | -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Todd, Actually I have Win-PCNC USB (http://www.cnc-router-routers.com/html/software_win_cnc_router_routin.html) as the controller software (in addition to LinuxCNC) and run it with a Zero 3 controller on a CNC-STEP HighZ 720 CNC machine.Win-PCNC does not support parameters, flow control and many other G codes, that I rely on. WinCNC is a different software which I don't know. Rindert Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Zuercher zuerc...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC. To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 1420295985.36633471.1381404162904.javamail.r...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Rindert, How long ago did you buy your WinCNC machine? I thought that they used some proprietary hardware for step generation. Were you able to use it for your LinuxCNC set up? What type of machine do you have? We have a machine running WinCNC and use G-code on it exclusively. Our set up is on a multi head gang router (4 independent Z axis). This is a relatively simple configuration in WinCNC but would be very difficult to configure in LinuxCNC. What parts of G-code wouldn't work for you in WinCNC? For what we use it for WinCNC is probably slightly better (3D wood carving) because of LinuxCNCs line look ahead limitations. - Original Message - From: RINDERT SCHUTTEN rind...@schuttenworks.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:09:29 PM Subject: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC. So I recently got my second CNC machine for my small business. The first machine was a DIY kit, and (obviously) I used EMC on Ubuntu. Got the CD, installed it on my old PC went through the stepconf wizard, and it ran! Since then have created lots of Gcode and products. I said obviously, because being new at CNC, and an open source fan I did not want to spend a lot of up front money. So I use Inkscape (with a Gcode generator extension) for CAD and EMC for machine control. All open source and LOVE the flow I created. Created my own coding standards, and even though Gcode is quite arcane, it is very powerful and EMC's support for it is EXCELLENT. I use parameters, subroutines, conditionals, repeats, etc, so everything I make can easily be scaled, positioned, replicated, all from the Gcode file. Actually, don't know about Mach 3, but the control software that came with my new machine, WinPCNC, even though it said it supported Gcode, could not run my Gcode. Actually their support for Gcode is minimal. For me this meant to get EMC to work with my new machine (relatively easy and straightforward once you have all the parameters of the controller), in order to be able to run everything as I was used to. So I have NO issues with LinuxCNC. On the contrary I am quite happy with it. Granted I do not do very complicated things, only three axis, but I love the way it works, and LOve AXIS as well. That it only runs on Linux is NO problem. Actually it is STABLE ,and I have not experienced a single crash. I appreciate that! Rindert Schutten Designer/Owner SchuttenWorks Find us on the Web at http://schuttenworks.com Like us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/schuttenworks - -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Russell Brown wrote: A lot of folk are actually scared of configurability (sp?). As others have noted, they want an appliance not something that's a project in it's own right. Well, configurability shouldn't be a negative if somebody has already created the configuration the way you need it. Maybe we need more sample configs to be part of the distribution. --- Going a little Off Topic FWIW, I was intrigued and bought a BBB to play with. I didn't end up using it for my Mill CNC project as I couldn't find any concise documentation on how you actually connected the BBB to motors and switches (I'm a programmer of business systems by trade and know naff all about CNC or electronics). Did I need a cape? Could I just connect to conventional drivers like a parallel port? Do I need to solder wires on or is there a screw type connector that fits the sockets? It wasn't obvious. The Bone has 3.3 V outputs, and they are not capable of high current. You don't need a commercial cape, but a booster/level translator would be a good thing. For stepper drives, putting a 74HC240 or similar driver chip powered from the 5 V supply to the Bone would be a good thing. (Make sure only the inputs to the HC240 are connected to the Bone's header.) Then, you could drive typical stepper driver inputs from the output of the HC240. I built a similar contraption for a different purpose and just plugged it into the P8 header of the Bone. Jon -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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The G-code looks like ordinary 3 axis XYZ code, with an L code command that slaves the other 3 axis (UVW)to the Z in the preamble of the file. The L code is L12. Then just L12 cancels the slaving (or you could use L12ZWUV) This is all kind of a mute point since the original post I was replying to wasn't even talking about WinCNC. - Original Message - From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:27:55 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC. On 10 October 2013 12:22, Todd Zuercher zuerc...@embarqmail.com wrote: Our set up is on a multi head gang router (4 independent Z axis). This is a relatively simple configuration in WinCNC but would be very difficult to configure in LinuxCNC. What does the G-code look like for that? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 10/8/2013 11:04 AM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Hi all; Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=88623#1507866 (Model Engineer forums, a thread about reworking a Warco Lathe) are some interesting and honest feedback postings. LinuxCNC works wonderfully, but has an issue with user perceptions - they are used to the look and feel of Windows and Mach3. At first it is possible to say they are out to lunch, but, why is Mach3 so popular? Why do users continue using Mach3?? We, I'm going to setup the PC for my mill dual boot XP and Linux. Out of the box Mach 3 runs the steppers I have nice and smooth. No fiddling or twiddling or tweaking and adjusting needed aside from setting the LPT port pin configuration and that the motors are 200 steps. (Finding where in the UI where the motors could be tested was a bit of an egg hunt.) To get LCNC to run them smooth and vibration free will require some experimenting with various settings. People like easy things, even when they can't do as much fancy stuff. I'm still collecting parts for my mill refit. Going to replace all three motor pulleys, bore and ream to 14mm instead of trying to adapt 14mm two-flat shaft to 5/8 keyed pulleys. Still waiting on the 14mm reamer to arrive. Got all new cogged belts. Just got the VFD yesterday, which I posted about here and got zero comments/thoughts about. It's a Teco/Westinghouse JNEV-203-H1. Should be able to replace most of the parts in the old spindle control box with that one unit. $232.14 from Wolfman Automation. Had aluminum adapter plates made by Augustine Machine for about $20 each so soon after the reamer shows up I can start installing the motors on the table and Z axis, then start on getting the software setup. The process is still 1. Get the mill operational 2. Start making the item I *need* CNC to make. 3. Go for fancy extras later. Got my fingers crossed for the motor to be good when I hook up the VFD and no expensive noises to come from the head. ;) -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 10/8/2013 12:18 PM, sam sokolik wrote: so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was just a proof of concept)... :) ) http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26174-screen-shots-of-gui-designs It is 'beauty is in they eye' as when I look at mach screen sets I think of flash video games. Yeah, Mach's user interface is kind of, e... I'd much rather have a UI that's simply the host OS's standard look, designed using the interface API provided with the OS. Windows and Macintosh have always provided all the tools required for an application's interface with the user - and all these years there are still programmers who insist on doing more work than they need to, writing their own custom dialog boxes and other things to do exactly the same thing the standard dialogs are there to do. For UI's that are pure art over function, look up anything with a UI designed by Kai Krause such as Kai's Power Goo or Bryce. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: Oh and I forgot, many use Mark because someone will set up their machine for them and many vendors sell Mark with their products... JT I hate it when they use me like that without any recompense. ;-) Mark -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:18:56 -0500, you wrote: so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was just a proof of concept)... :) ) http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26174-screen-shots-of-gui-designs It is 'beauty is in they eye' as when I look at mach screen sets I think of flash video games. I agree, they are terrible, and the designers take it very personally when you critique their baby G. Some have wood grain finish effects, garish colours and all have too many tiny buttons that are not relevant to everyday use making them confusing and impossible to use on a touch screen. Steve Blackmore -- -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 10/9/2013 12:43 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: And to add fuel to the Mach4 fire. They are planning a cost of around $1000 - $2000 for a single seat. This is where they will fall out the bus. It will just become to unaffordable for anyone but very serious users and in my opinion, very serious users normally use LCNC. This is complete nonsense. The planned price for single users of Mach4 is $200, just slightly more than the current Mach3 price. For large OEM users with special needs a negotiated price that may reach $1000 or more is possible. This will depend on the level of customization required, sales volume and many other factors. ron ginger -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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I was at a Mini Maker Faire this past weekend. Had 3000 people attend. Of the 1000, or so, who stopped by our booth which had 5 milling machines, I don't think more than a dozen were machinists or had an interest in learning to be machinists. What was common - extremely common - were people who wanted to know how machining could help them. The simply wanted to know the process. CAD. CAM. Machine. They were purely interested in what they could make with the machines, not the parameters and ways the machines worked. They wanted to be able to put something in and then pull something of the machine for what they were building. I certainly did meet several people who knew about Linuxcnc. Some were machinists. Some were Linux zealots. What they were generally lacking was any sort of user focus. That might be an interesting exercise here. Take some milling machines to Mini Maker Faires in your area - they have them in most states now - and throw up the various screens and see what people think. People ran Mach - and Linuxcnc - because they were machinists and these were software packages for machinists. Its not a fight about Windows, or Linux.. It really is a fight about people interact with the machines. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net wrote: On 10/08/13 18:08, Charles Buckley wrote: The paradigm is shifting also when you get to 3D printers. They want appliance and appliance like behavior. Zero interest in becoming machinists. This applies to hackerspaces too. Most hackerspaces, and even quite a few hobby users now have serious milling machines like a Tormach or 'baby' milling machines like a Fireball. These need to work like an appliance without requiring someone who _really_ knows what they're doing to configure the software. It might be practical to have a LinuxCNC guru setup and configure the retrofit of a room sized chunk of iron, but that doesn't apply to the mini-mills and desktop CNC hardware that is becoming common. -- Charles Steinkuehler -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Charles; I did that last August 30 /September 1 long weekend in Ottawa Canada. I had a little CNC'd Unimat lathe running LinuxCNC. Not actually throwing swarf, but just axes moving. Generally: 1) People under 30 knew about the computerization but said what's that machine supposed to do? 2) People over 30 either had a Unimat when they were kids (especially those in their retired years) and knew all about lathes, but not about the computers! John A. Stewart. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Charles; I did that last August 30 /September 1 long weekend in Ottawa Canada. I had a little CNC'd Unimat lathe running LinuxCNC. Generally: 1) People under 30 knew about the computerization but said what's that machine supposed to do? 2) People over 30 either had a Unimat when they were kids (especially those in their retired years) and knew all about lathes, but not about the computers! -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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You can thank the de-industrialization of the High School shops for that! The educational idiots in this country bought into the idea that Manufacturing has no future. Now, everytime I visit a machine shop, I get the same question... Do you know any good machinists looking for work?? Recently I was shocked when I went into a machine shop in Michigan who said that they can find a good machinist in a couple of days .. But of course Michigan lost a large number of shops during our recession. Dave On 10/9/2013 9:54 AM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: People under 30 knew about the computerization but said what's that machine supposed to do? -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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I have never heard anyone say more than $200 for hobby users.. . and $1000 for a really good industrial version is generally not a problem IF there is sufficient reason to use it over LinuxCNC or some other CNC software system. But if you can't get it, does it matter?? NO! LinuxCNC, Mach3/4, etc is just part of the CNC machine control puzzle. Users also need really good motion control hardware support. In that regard, LinuxCNC users are very fortunate to have Mesa and Pico onboard 100%. A CNC system also needs a stable OS on which to operate it. and with Microsoft now trying to focus on the smart phone market.. figure out why the Surface has been a dismal failure.. etc and shuffle CEOs out the door... what are the chances that Windows 9 and 10 will be a good platform on which to run a CNC control system?? Not likely. Here is a good article on Microsofts vision - Windows 9 and beyond... tell me how real time control fits into this scheme?? It doesn't. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/168168-windows-9-will-unify-the-smartphone-tablet-desktop-and-console-but-is-it-too-little-too-late Dave On 10/9/2013 7:34 AM, Ron Ginger wrote: On 10/9/2013 12:43 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: And to add fuel to the Mach4 fire. They are planning a cost of around $1000 - $2000 for a single seat. This is where they will fall out the bus. It will just become to unaffordable for anyone but very serious users and in my opinion, very serious users normally use LCNC. This is complete nonsense. The planned price for single users of Mach4 is $200, just slightly more than the current Mach3 price. For large OEM users with special needs a negotiated price that may reach $1000 or more is possible. This will depend on the level of customization required, sales volume and many other factors. ron ginger -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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The educational idiots in this country bought into the idea that Manufacturing has no future. Now, everytime I visit a machine shop, I get the same question... Do you know any good machinists looking for work?? To be fair, that was pretty much true for people just coming out of school at the time. When I was in college in the 1980s, there were so many people being laid off that whole industries had no entry-level openings for years at a time-- they could always hire someone with years of experience. Manufacturing didn't go away, but it shrank dramatically (at least in terms of number of employees-- a lot of jobs were lost to automation, not just outsourcing). When I went back to school in the 1990s, I thought about becoming a machinist, but decided against it for various personal reasons. In hindsight, I'm not sure if that was a good choice or not-- the job market for machinists back then was not what it is now. OTOH, I might have gotten lucky. Also, keep in mind that a lot of those employers looking for skilled employees (in various fields) want people who will work for low wages-- and there are easier ways to make low wages. If they're serious, they'll be offering more money. [There's a big debate about whether Wisconsin has a shortage of skilled welders or not-- the employers say yes, but the economists point out that wages for welders have been flat for years.] -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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That matches what I saw to a large extent. We had to translate what they knew about 3D printing and computers to milling. Although, as the day went on, our demographics started skewing older. The working theory for that is that the 20-year olds loved the technology. The older ones loved making things and were looking for *how* to make things. (Show me a 3D printer owned by a 20-something year old and I will show you 100 half formed Yoda's. They are looking for things to make on a 3D printer. They tend to fit their jobs to the technology). I look at the world of CNC and see things like the cricut and see it selling in Hobby Lobby and it's aimed directly at scrapbookers. Sold by the thousands. They put all their work into the usability of the system. But, yeah.. we gave out over 200 business cards - over 10% of the adults of the Faire - and they all wanted appliance like behavior. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:54 AM, John Alexander Stewart ivatt...@gmail.comwrote: Charles; I did that last August 30 /September 1 long weekend in Ottawa Canada. I had a little CNC'd Unimat lathe running LinuxCNC. Generally: 1) People under 30 knew about the computerization but said what's that machine supposed to do? 2) People over 30 either had a Unimat when they were kids (especially those in their retired years) and knew all about lathes, but not about the computers! -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Charles Buckley rijrun...@gmail.com wrote: But, yeah.. we gave out over 200 business cards - over 10% of the adults of the Faire - and they all wanted appliance like behavior. I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. I for one, am not striving to be normal :) Dave Caroline -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. I for one, am not striving to be normal :) im too weird to realize if im normal, so i guess im not. But i use LCN. be happy to use any of them regards rick 2013/10/9 Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. I for one, am not striving to be normal :) Dave Caroline -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wednesday 09 October 2013 12:09:43 Dave Caroline did opine: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. I for one, am not striving to be normal :) Dave Caroline I tried that normal thing once Dave, back in my teen years, but that didn't get me any co-operative girls either. I was 23 when I met Annie, knew she was the one, and married her all in 2 weeks time, wish I still had her but a stroke took her 10 years later. And she made the brag the night she started at my fav greasy spoon all those years ago, to her boss, that she was going to marry me before I'd ever sat down in the booth. Her initials were AS on the meal ticket for Annie Sweet. I never hesitated when I added another S. Next night she handed me a big wood screw and asked if that was what I was looking for, I said yes the rest is now a piece of very enjoyable history that ended June 30 1968. I've made few claims at being normal, and in the past, my electronic knowhow has had the frogs asking if I could walk on water. I had to chuckle when that happens because to me it IS normal. Or was, 11+ years of retirement is rusting my brain, couldn't be just the years, can it? Say it isn't so... -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg. clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements. My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they certainly are. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg. clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.cl ktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I won't mention any names, because I don't want to get sun4's into trouble... :-) -- Larry Wall in 11...@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC.
So I recently got my second CNC machine for my small business. The first machine was a DIY kit, and (obviously) I used EMC on Ubuntu. Got the CD, installed it on my old PC went through the stepconf wizard, and it ran! Since then have created lots of Gcode and products. I said obviously, because being new at CNC, and an open source fan I did not want to spend a lot of up front money. So I use Inkscape (with a Gcode generator extension) for CAD and EMC for machine control. All open source and LOVE the flow I created. Created my own coding standards, and even though Gcode is quite arcane, it is very powerful and EMC's support for it is EXCELLENT. I use parameters, subroutines, conditionals, repeats, etc, so everything I make can easily be scaled, positioned, replicated, all from the Gcode file. Actually, don't know about Mach 3, but the control software that came with my new machine, WinPCNC, even though it said it supported Gcode, could not run my Gcode. Actually their support for Gcode is minimal. For me this meant to get EMC to work with my new machine (relatively easy and straightforward once you have all the parameters of the controller), in order to be able to run everything as I was used to. So I have NO issues with LinuxCNC. On the contrary I am quite happy with it. Granted I do not do very complicated things, only three axis, but I love the way it works, and LOve AXIS as well. That it only runs on Linux is NO problem. Actually it is STABLE ,and I have not experienced a single crash. I appreciate that! Rindert Schutten Designer/Owner SchuttenWorks Find us on the Web at http://schuttenworks.com Like us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/schuttenworks - -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC.
Hi all; Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=88623#1507866 (Model Engineer forums, a thread about reworking a Warco Lathe) are some interesting and honest feedback postings. LinuxCNC works wonderfully, but has an issue with user perceptions - they are used to the look and feel of Windows and Mach3. At first it is possible to say they are out to lunch, but, why is Mach3 so popular? Why do users continue using Mach3?? If it's got to do solely with the looks, not functionality, LinuxCNC has some work ahead of it. John A. Stewart. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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My guess is they are color blind or base their choice on dated information, with the exception of a few that must have jog while paused but don't do any threading or rigid tapping... JT On 10/8/2013 12:04 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Hi all; Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=88623#1507866 (Model Engineer forums, a thread about reworking a Warco Lathe) are some interesting and honest feedback postings. LinuxCNC works wonderfully, but has an issue with user perceptions - they are used to the look and feel of Windows and Mach3. At first it is possible to say they are out to lunch, but, why is Mach3 so popular? Why do users continue using Mach3?? If it's got to do solely with the looks, not functionality, LinuxCNC has some work ahead of it. John A. Stewart. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Oh and I forgot, many use Mark because someone will set up their machine for them and many vendors sell Mark with their products... JT On 10/8/2013 12:04 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Hi all; Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=88623#1507866 (Model Engineer forums, a thread about reworking a Warco Lathe) are some interesting and honest feedback postings. LinuxCNC works wonderfully, but has an issue with user perceptions - they are used to the look and feel of Windows and Mach3. At first it is possible to say they are out to lunch, but, why is Mach3 so popular? Why do users continue using Mach3?? If it's got to do solely with the looks, not functionality, LinuxCNC has some work ahead of it. John A. Stewart. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to a flash thumb drive, then running StepConf? I can't imagine Mach could possibly be any easier unless someone did it for you. I probably halfway qualify as a linux guru nowadays, but a few years back we set up a 3 axis machine with linuxcnc in an hour, including wiring the steppers. We used absolutely no linux guru knowledge to do that. I agree, it would be hard to imagine making it too much easier for a simple machine. I know people like the custom interface aspect of Mach, it takes all kinds. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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There's no right or wrong about this, but I agree this has a lot to do with Windows' dominance. It also has a LOT to do with people's comfort levels. As computing has become an established consumer-led and mature market, so we now have many many users (and potential users of CNC systems) who know little of how a computer system works, and who are both unwilling and unable to help themselves, or find appropriate sources of help, to enable them to move away from Windows. Mach3 is therefore the easy choice. Never mind that it has got itself in a pickle, or that there are better ways. On 8 Oct 2013, at 18:41, Eric Keller wrote: On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to a flash thumb drive, then running StepConf? I can't imagine Mach could possibly be any easier unless someone did it for you. Sorry; but the consumers cannot cope with that. Unless there is a one-click download-and-instal procedure, people's perceptions are that it is a process requiring mystical powers. I think this is currently the main failing of LinuxCNC, as far as gaining new converts. I probably halfway qualify as a linux guru nowadays, but a few years back we set up a 3 axis machine with linuxcnc in an hour, including wiring the steppers. We used absolutely no linux guru knowledge to do that. I agree, it would be hard to imagine making it too much easier for a simple machine. I know people like the custom interface aspect of Mach, it takes all kinds. The customised screens etc have not as much to do with it as the power of the name. Mach3 is in the public consciousness; LinuxCNC is not. It's self-perpetuating, too. Wearing my writer's hat, my latest brief from an editor included: it has to be Mach3, because that's what people want. Actually, it's not. They don't know what they want - or rather they don't know what they might prefer because they don't know it exists. And while we are on the topic, it is unfortunate that (a) LinuxCNC doesn't run on versions beyond 10.4, and (b) its not a built-in part of the distro for all current versions. Yes; I know there are now significant problems with Mach3 and W7/W8, but Mach3 has already established itself. There is little doubt of the power of LinuxCNC compared to some aspects of Mach3, especially in the more elegant programming structures, but people coming to CNC with not too much knowledge don't know they might appreciate that, largely because they don't know anything about programming. When they latch onto CAM software, they find LinuxCNC poorly served. I had to ask Vectric for LinuxCNC post-processors (still called EMC2 in their world) because they are not included in their basic set. I am still trying to get them to release a post-processor for their wrapped axis Gadget. Yes; its easy enough to write one, but no; most users will not want to do this. Oh yes; and all the books are based on Mach3, as far as I know, with one exception which I will modestly mention: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Milling-Workshop-Crowoods-Metalworking-Guides/dp/1847975127/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1381256519sr=8-1keywords=cnc+milling+in+the+workshop www.cncintheworkshop.com The reason users turn to Mach3 is perception. Until we solve that, the masses will continue to be drawn to Mach3, because the user base has reached a critical mass. Regards, Marcus -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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2013/10/8 Marcus Bowman marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk ... On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to a flash thumb drive, then running StepConf? I can't imagine Mach could possibly be any easier unless someone did it for you. Sorry; but the consumers cannot cope with that. Unless there is a one-click download-and-instal procedure, people's perceptions are that it is a process requiring mystical powers. I think this is currently the main failing of LinuxCNC, as far as gaining new converts. ... Regards, Marcus I can't more than agree with that. I work for a company (a few months more) with products running on both Win and Lx. Even my colleagues who should know better, make stupid decisions when running into problems. For example a few weeks ago a system running under Redhat had problems with hardware. To get more knowledge of the problem they copied the log files over to a Win machine and opened them in Baretail - instead of using grep and less ON the Linux server! This is supposed to be a high tech company, but that's how high tech it is in the background. No wonder I quit. :) If these people can't learn Linux after 10 years of usage, the normal workshop hobbyist will not even look at Linux no matter how easy it is to use. /Sven -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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In the late 90's I was a unix consultant, and for a time ran the operations of a telecom company with a total Linux shop. I know (knew?) linux well and was part of the cheering section when some believed linux would soon overtake windows on the desktop. It didnt happen. Linux has a single digit percent of the market in desktop or direct end-user devices. I know it has a big part of the web server and embedded system market, but we are talking a single user system. Increasingly the users coming to mach want to run a CNC machine- mostly routers. A surprising number of them know next to nothing about computers. Maybe they know how to read mail, but they can't find a file and don't understand much about windows. But they can get someone local to help, they can buy a machine that comes with windows installed, they can get their grandson to help... I live in a small town and we have 2 or 3 guys that make a business of helping people with windows. The local adult ed teaches courses about windows. Sorry, but windows won the war for the end user. The other points made in this thread are mostly just linux zealot talk. So you think Machs screen colors are silly, or childish, or whatever- so what? Use the screen designer to change it, or pickup one of the dozens of user written sets, some free, some that people even pay for. Or just use it- we know that thousands do just use it. Rumors of mach having trouble with Win7 or Win8 are nonsense, or wishful thinking of linuxCNC users. Mach installs just like any windows application- click the downloaded file, accept the license and in less than a minute its installed and ready to run. Config is just a few windows screens to fill in, or you can get an xml file from another user or a vendor of hardware boxes. The market share of LinuxCNC and Mach are directly related to the market share of windows and linux, and I do not believe there is anything in LinuxCNC you can do to change that. Why fight it- use your linuxCNC system, make it do the best things you can do with it It will be interesting when Mach4 runs on linux and Mac to see how many use that instead of windows. ron ginger -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: It will be interesting when Mach4 runs on linux and Mac to see how many use that instead of windows. I hope they aren't spending too much time or resources on making it work on linux. The only thing less successful than a linux app is a linux app that costs money. I don't really see why we need to worry about Mach, it's not hurting us. The people that need lcnc will come our way, and the guys that need a pre-installed app will not. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 16:46 -0400, Eric Keller wrote: On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: It will be interesting when Mach4 runs on linux and Mac to see how many use that instead of windows. I hope they aren't spending too much time or resources on making it work on linux. The only thing less successful than a linux app is a linux app that costs money. I don't really see why we need to worry about Mach, it's not hurting us. The people that need lcnc will come our way, and the guys that need a pre-installed app will not. AH! Thank you Eric. This is really not a pissing match or shouldn't be. Those who's application envelope fits within the capabilities of Mach and don't mind paying for the app should get with it and use Mach. Those that have other philosophy's and/or requirements outside the Mach envelope can shop around for apps that fit their requirements, cost objective, and capabilities. Not a problem. I wish the best to both populations. Dave -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 10/8/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Layne wrote: For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to a flash thumb drive, then running StepConf? I can't imagine Mach could possibly be any easier unless someone did it for you. That's why I'm trying _really_ hard to get LinuxCNC working well on the BeagleBone. The maker crowd with desktop CNC mills and 3D printers is far less scared of Linux than the average man. There are still a lot of folks in this crowd who are windows only, but even they are using micro-controller development environments (even if it's for an Arduino) to customize, build, and download firmware. If these folk start running on LinuxCNC in a big way, you'll see *VERY* rapid development. This is beginning to happen (ask Michael H. about his server logs for the MachineKit downloads...it's good he doesn't have to pay per byte!), but there's a lot more to do. IMHO, two the big areas that need help are documentation and new user experience. LinuxCNC rocks if you've been working in a machine shop and understand the concepts. Even the documentation is pretty good if you already know a bit about machining. But it's pretty complex and intimidating if you don't really know (for example) the difference between machine, joint, part, and world coordinates. :) ...and a pretty GUI (that doesn't eat CPU/GPU cycles) would be nice too! -- Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 16:09 -0500, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: On 10/8/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Layne wrote: For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to a flash thumb drive, then running StepConf? I can't imagine Mach could possibly be any easier unless someone did it for you. That's why I'm trying _really_ hard to get LinuxCNC working well on the BeagleBone. The maker crowd with desktop CNC mills and 3D printers is far less scared of Linux than the average man. There are still a lot of folks in this crowd who are windows only, but even they are using micro-controller development environments (even if it's for an Arduino) to customize, build, and download firmware. If these folk start running on LinuxCNC in a big way, you'll see *VERY* rapid development. This is beginning to happen (ask Michael H. about his server logs for the MachineKit downloads...it's good he doesn't have to pay per byte!), but there's a lot more to do. IMHO, two the big areas that need help are documentation and new user experience. LinuxCNC rocks if you've been working in a machine shop and understand the concepts. Even the documentation is pretty good if you already know a bit about machining. But it's pretty complex and intimidating if you don't really know (for example) the difference between machine, joint, part, and world coordinates. :) ...and a pretty GUI (that doesn't eat CPU/GPU cycles) would be nice too! Just being ignorantwhat is the balance between client side and server side for GUI's? TIA Dave -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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There are a few other factors. Yes, Mach is fairly common. Used in a lot of shops. It has a few nice features. You can reconfigure and play with settings from within the app, for instance. You don't have to exit, then return. You can easily swap between GUI skins from within the app. (Seems like stepconf blows away GUI information if you re-run it against an existing configuration. Seriously, why? That should be a constant chosen by the user). With an app like Machscreen, it is trivial to re-skin Mach for your environment. The ability to reconfigure even extends to machine characteristics like motor tuning. It remembers what you have set. Plug-ins are fairly straight forward. To date, I have found only one fairly weird boundary case that required editing a file of any kind within Mach. I like Linuxcnc, but I can certainly see the appeal for Mach. I recently made a set of machines for some people who were not really machinists. They were elderly retirees. They were not interested in learning to become machinists. They wanted a basic screen that looked like a DVD player. Essentially, E-stop, load file, home all and zero, run, stop, pause, resume, rewind were the only buttons on the touchscreen. They had an additional button which took them to a page with jogging and override limits options. That's it. Took about 20 minutes to re-skin in Mach. If they have any diagnostics to do, they attach a larger screen and bring up the 1024.set screen. Had showed them the various options of Linuxcnc and they hated them all. All the operator wanted to do was load a few pieces of wood into the fixture, then hit go. Nothing fancy. The closest existing screen within Linuxcnc was gaxis in gscreen and it was flaky in operation. (Seriously.. so close, but would go into a weird contention if you homed manually, then later hit the All-Home Machine button) The paradigm is shifting also when you get to 3D printers. They want appliance and appliance like behavior. Zero interest in becoming machinists. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:44 PM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 16:09 -0500, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: On 10/8/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Layne wrote: For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to a flash thumb drive, then running StepConf? I can't imagine Mach could possibly be any easier unless someone did it for you. That's why I'm trying _really_ hard to get LinuxCNC working well on the BeagleBone. The maker crowd with desktop CNC mills and 3D printers is far less scared of Linux than the average man. There are still a lot of folks in this crowd who are windows only, but even they are using micro-controller development environments (even if it's for an Arduino) to customize, build, and download firmware. If these folk start running on LinuxCNC in a big way, you'll see *VERY* rapid development. This is beginning to happen (ask Michael H. about his server logs for the MachineKit downloads...it's good he doesn't have to pay per byte!), but there's a lot more to do. IMHO, two the big areas that need help are documentation and new user experience. LinuxCNC rocks if you've been working in a machine shop and understand the concepts. Even the documentation is pretty good if you already know a bit about machining. But it's pretty complex and intimidating if you don't really know (for example) the difference between machine, joint, part, and world coordinates. :) ...and a pretty GUI (that doesn't eat CPU/GPU cycles) would be nice too! Just being ignorantwhat is the balance between client side and server side for GUI's? TIA Dave -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 9 October 2013 00:08, Charles Buckley rijrun...@gmail.com wrote: It has a few nice features. You can reconfigure and play with settings from within the app, for instance. You don't have to exit, then return. You can actually reconfigure LinuxCNC on the fly, including changing the HAL wiring if you want. There is even a command entry box in show HAL config. But you do have to type HAL commands, it isn't easy or intuitive. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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sam sokolik wrote: so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was just a proof of concept)... :) ) http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png Arrgh! it looks like a pinball machine! An interesting conversation I had with a Mach user some time ago ended with something like: Me: when was the last time Windows or Mach crashed on you? Him: Umm, yesterday, I think Me: Last time I had a crash on my EMC system was in 1998, and it completed the part, only the screen display froze. Jon -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Things are a changing... The whole argument about who owns the desktop is irrelevant. It's like talking about who makes the best mini computer..(for those of us who have lived that long.. ) I'm not exactly typical, but in the past year I have purchased 2 Windows 8 laptops, more than 6 Android devices (Tablets, Phones, etc), and so far... 3 Chromebooks... ( I did acquire one Apple IOS device also.. but I got it for free.. so that really doesn't count.. ) The PC market is shrinking.. Small, compact, purpose driven devices are taking off. They don't want to worry about what OS runs what. People want functionality, ease of use, and reasonable cost. The reason why people in the past used Mach3 on Windows is that it was an affordable software package that was perceived as being accessible. It ran on the most common computer platform, which by default ran the most popular OS. They didn't choose Mach3 because it ran on Windows. But the past is the past... and things are changing. Now people are using IOS and Android devices and not giving the OS a second thought. Any objections to using Linux are quietly fading away. 3-4 years ago that was a big deal. Now.. not much resistance.. after all it's just a PC. It's how do I start an app, stop an app, open multiple apps, copy a file to a stick drive... .. yeah ok, I got it, I'm good with that. The movement of LinuxCNC onto the Beagle Board is a big move in the right direction.. Mach3/4 has some problems in front of them. I have yet to find anyone who thinks that Microsoft is moving in the right direction with the Windows OS. Although I use it daily and find it only tolerable with a bunch of add ins. And Microsoft doesn't give a crap about real time support with their desktop OS system. If Mach3/4 wanted to move their software to a Beagle Board type platform... it would require a herculean effort, and since everyone has been waiting for Mach4 for YEARs now... that seems VERY unlikely. Some references: http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/07/in-the-smartphone-wars-its-ios-vs-android-and-windows-phone-vs-the-rest/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/27/npd_sales_figures_back_to_school_2013/ Dave On 10/8/2013 10:01 PM, Jon Elson wrote: sam sokolik wrote: so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was just a proof of concept)... :) ) http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png Arrgh! it looks like a pinball machine! An interesting conversation I had with a Mach user some time ago ended with something like: Me: when was the last time Windows or Mach crashed on you? Him: Umm, yesterday, I think Me: Last time I had a crash on my EMC system was in 1998, and it completed the part, only the screen display froze. Jon -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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And to add fuel to the Mach4 fire. They are planning a cost of around $1000 - $2000 for a single seat. This is where they will fall out the bus. It will just become to unaffordable for anyone but very serious users and in my opinion, very serious users normally use LCNC. On 2013/10/09 05:35 AM, Dave Cole wrote: Things are a changing... The whole argument about who owns the desktop is irrelevant. It's like talking about who makes the best mini computer..(for those of us who have lived that long.. ) I'm not exactly typical, but in the past year I have purchased 2 Windows 8 laptops, more than 6 Android devices (Tablets, Phones, etc), and so far... 3 Chromebooks... ( I did acquire one Apple IOS device also.. but I got it for free.. so that really doesn't count.. ) The PC market is shrinking.. Small, compact, purpose driven devices are taking off. They don't want to worry about what OS runs what. People want functionality, ease of use, and reasonable cost. The reason why people in the past used Mach3 on Windows is that it was an affordable software package that was perceived as being accessible. It ran on the most common computer platform, which by default ran the most popular OS. They didn't choose Mach3 because it ran on Windows. But the past is the past... and things are changing. Now people are using IOS and Android devices and not giving the OS a second thought. Any objections to using Linux are quietly fading away. 3-4 years ago that was a big deal. Now.. not much resistance.. after all it's just a PC. It's how do I start an app, stop an app, open multiple apps, copy a file to a stick drive... .. yeah ok, I got it, I'm good with that. The movement of LinuxCNC onto the Beagle Board is a big move in the right direction.. Mach3/4 has some problems in front of them. I have yet to find anyone who thinks that Microsoft is moving in the right direction with the Windows OS. Although I use it daily and find it only tolerable with a bunch of add ins. And Microsoft doesn't give a crap about real time support with their desktop OS system. If Mach3/4 wanted to move their software to a Beagle Board type platform... it would require a herculean effort, and since everyone has been waiting for Mach4 for YEARs now... that seems VERY unlikely. Some references: http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/07/in-the-smartphone-wars-its-ios-vs-android-and-windows-phone-vs-the-rest/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/27/npd_sales_figures_back_to_school_2013/ Dave On 10/8/2013 10:01 PM, Jon Elson wrote: sam sokolik wrote: so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was just a proof of concept)... :) ) http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png Arrgh! it looks like a pinball machine! An interesting conversation I had with a Mach user some time ago ended with something like: Me: when was the last time Windows or Mach crashed on you? Him: Umm, yesterday, I think Me: Last time I had a crash on my EMC system was in 1998, and it completed the part, only the screen display froze. Jon -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 131008-0, 2013/10/08 Tested on: 2013/10/09 06:43:20 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register
