Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
All i will say is i'm 100% for it , and need it for exactly the reasons mentioned industrial people need it .. i'm currently retrofitting 4 machines and they all need it eventually so please dev's add to master , and if need be add a ini switch to turn on if possible , if it's thought to make it a high end feature ( or bug ) if it's one thing i hate , is having to spend a day just updating options that should be part of LCNC in the first place . Dave On 22 November 2014 at 04:34, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 21 November 2014 16:10:26 andy pugh did opine And Gene did reply: On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a 74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 Looks like the above line should have said z, not x ;-) motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what you want is something in the released software. That looks like it could be handier than sliced bread AND bottled beer. I would vote for that going into LCNC in a heartbeat. I can also see, for somebody really familiar with our gui's, a quad of buttons and an offset of that axis's display, one could then run the paused point in and out to achieve a setting that hopefully would clear the workpiece while moving in and out of the paused mode, from any place on or in the workpiece. Obviously would need to be adjusted on a per part operation basis, and probably should be saved in position.txt too. And just to save me at my years from loose nut behind the wheel mistakes, ramping the spindle slider back to 100% as it arrives back at the work position when unpaused would also be a nice touch as then it truly would be a 1 click resume. Yeah, I know, folks in hell want ice water too. But none of this is impossible now that its been done. This subject comes up about 2x annually. We wear it out and little or nothing is done. This looks like a heck of a good start! So, tell us why not? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
You would not want to hit the pause button while boring... JT On 11/21/2014 3:10 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what you want is something in the released software. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused (andy pugh)
What is the difference in this patch? Where the retract moves are actually controlled by the keyboard. Everything is in axis and I suspect more higher end users are using some form of Gscreen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNuu_D4X_EM It may be the same thing when I watched the other video it looked like the tool retracted automatically when the pause was activated. Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com Superior Roll Turning 734-279-1831 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused (andy pugh)
yeah I am not too sure how useful a pre programmed retract would be there is never the same situation on a part that would allow it seems to me. The controls utilizing either additional buttons or the original jog buttons is really what is needed here. Pete On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: What is the difference in this patch? Where the retract moves are actually controlled by the keyboard. Everything is in axis and I suspect more higher end users are using some form of Gscreen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNuu_D4X_EM It may be the same thing when I watched the other video it looked like the tool retracted automatically when the pause was activated. Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com Superior Roll Turning 734-279-1831 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a 74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 Looks like the above line should have said z, not x ;-) motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I would like to see keyboard or jog wheel control only because tools like boring bars and face groovers will need completely different retract schemes. I know it goes back to the ice water in hell statement. I am hoping something reasonable is found and I will test. We are doing our first mill retrofit and I believe that the ability to stop, turn spindle and coolant off, move work out of the way of the tool to check something and return to the cut is mandatory. I understand If I want it badly enough I better learn the ability to code (not going to happen) and I do appreciate the people who contribute to this project but I am starting to think that the people running larger work and longer programs will get to the point that restarting the program even if you use run from line (mistakes are made) will become too cumbersome to overcome. Nobody forced me down the path of LCNC and it has been fun Three turning centers making parts is a bonus but we are losing tremendous amounts of time on larger parts because of this missing feature. I will be trying the patches if we can figure out how to apply them LOL...We are not Linus experts either. Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com Superior Roll Turning 734-279-1831 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused (andy pugh)
Look at the video dates. The auto-retract was an initial proof of concept, about 2 years ago. The keyboard jogging video (link below) was from about a year ago, when the jog-while-paused feature was pretty much finished (at least as much as Michael Haberler wanted to tackle at the time). Details on setup and the g.l.o. branch(s) with the jog-while-paused code should be in the LinuxCNC Dev-list archives...I'd start looking around early Oct., 2013 (the video below was posted Oct. 6, 2013). On 11/22/2014 9:11 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: What is the difference in this patch? Where the retract moves are actually controlled by the keyboard. Everything is in axis and I suspect more higher end users are using some form of Gscreen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNuu_D4X_EM It may be the same thing when I watched the other video it looked like the tool retracted automatically when the pause was activated. Jeff Johnson -- Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
On 11/22/2014 10:34 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a 74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 Looks like the above line should have said z, not x ;-) motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I would like to see keyboard or jog wheel control only because tools like boring bars and face groovers will need completely different retract schemes. I know it goes back to the ice water in hell statement. I am hoping something reasonable is found and I will test. We are doing our first mill retrofit and I believe that the ability to stop, turn spindle and coolant off, move work out of the way of the tool to check something and return to the cut is mandatory. I understand If I want it badly enough I better learn the ability to code (not going to happen) and I do appreciate the people who contribute to this project but I am starting to think that the people running larger work and longer programs will get to the point that restarting the program even if you use run from line (mistakes are made) will become too cumbersome to overcome. Nobody forced me down the path of LCNC and it has been fun Three turning centers making parts is a bonus but we are losing tremendous amounts of time on larger parts because of this missing feature. I will be trying the patches if we can figure out how to apply them LOL...We are not Linus experts either. Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com Superior Roll Turning 734-279-1831 sers No matter how jog while paused is implemented there will always be ways to screw things up, bust off cutters, and ruin workpieces. It will happen even if the machine is being run via Fanuc. But that doesn't mean that LinuxCNC should not have one or more solutions for jog while paused. This just goes back to the operator knowing the machine and how it works.If the jog while paused solution doesn't work for face grooving, you will discover that in short order. In the meantime you can still enjoy swapping inserts in the middle of long hard cuts without restarting the move all over again via a run from line! Right now we have nothing. Anything is better than nothing. Unless of course someone has something that is better than this patch. :-) Dave --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused (andy pugh)
On 22 November 2014 at 15:11, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: It may be the same thing when I watched the other video it looked like the tool retracted automatically when the pause was activated. It did because that is how I configured it. However, the patch I tried to LinuxCNC didn't allow keyboard jogging. I don't know if that jog-while-paused with keyboard-jogging is as simple to apply to LinuxCNC as the one I experimented with, but the video does seem to show a more complete implementation. If the behaviour shown there is currently in Machinekit then perhaps Machinekit would suit your requirements better than LinuxCNC. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused (andy pugh)
On 11/22/2014 4:05 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 22 November 2014 at 15:11, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: It may be the same thing when I watched the other video it looked like the tool retracted automatically when the pause was activated. It did because that is how I configured it. However, the patch I tried to LinuxCNC didn't allow keyboard jogging. I don't know if that jog-while-paused with keyboard-jogging is as simple to apply to LinuxCNC as the one I experimented with, but the video does seem to show a more complete implementation. If the behaviour shown there is currently in Machinekit then perhaps Machinekit would suit your requirements better than LinuxCNC. I haven't played much with this myself, but I think the keyboard jogging comes from the ini and hal configuration and not _just_ from the code. There's an example sim configuration in Machinekit: https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/configs/sim/axis/jog-while-pause9.ini There should be corresponding sample configs somewhere in g.l.o., but I'm not sure exactly which branch. Some things may have also gotten lost or misplaced (like jepler's lineardeltakins, which somehow appeared then disappeared from g.l.o.) but could probably be found by digging around in the appropriate date ranges. -- Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. This seems like a good idea and easier to get the machine to do. You will note that it does not allow for TLO changes which while important are not super critical in my view and apparently theirs too. The changing of an insert while typically not perfect should not change the offset that much and I guess it is understood that you would not want to do this on a critical dimension of a finish pass. It would sure be nice tho. Either way just having the ability to raise the millhead and turn the spindle and coolant on and off to take a quick measurement or inspect progress would be a big deal for me. Peace Pete Most of our controls have the ability to feed override the jog speed. There has been a move to get away from this in lcnc and this is an example why we still want the option. Heading back into a cut you can have control over that speed. Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com Superior Roll Turning 734-279-1831 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
Jeff, Yeah I cannot imagine why you would NOT want a feed override or a spindle override slider. I use mine all the time to either carefully run thru a program at slower speed, check the approach of a toolpath to the workpiece, or just to optimize a feed or speed that has already been programmed to get a better finish etc. etc. I think on some level much of this trepidation comes from worrying about inexperienced users crashing due to these features. I completely understand their concerns but perhaps some of these more advanced features could be added yet disabled in the software if you want so you can let new users run more safe settings. The reality is that many people like us are trying to run commercial machines with LinuxCNC and are looking for MORE features not less. I realize that the software is free and dependent upon programmer types to work on it at their will and leisure. I wish I knew how to do it or I would attempt it myself. I am NOT a programmer type as anyone who knows me can attest LOL. Unfortunately. Peace Pete On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. This seems like a good idea and easier to get the machine to do. You will note that it does not allow for TLO changes which while important are not super critical in my view and apparently theirs too. The changing of an insert while typically not perfect should not change the offset that much and I guess it is understood that you would not want to do this on a critical dimension of a finish pass. It would sure be nice tho. Either way just having the ability to raise the millhead and turn the spindle and coolant on and off to take a quick measurement or inspect progress would be a big deal for me. Peace Pete Most of our controls have the ability to feed override the jog speed. There has been a move to get away from this in lcnc and this is an example why we still want the option. Heading back into a cut you can have control over that speed. Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com Superior Roll Turning 734-279-1831 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what you want is something in the released software. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
Andy, That is interesting, those retracts are they preprogrammed somwhow? Did you jog those movements? I don't understand what you are showing there. Peace Pete On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what you want is something in the released software. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wabcOH9YAA If we could get this without the extra buttons just using axis controls it would be very nice. Not sure what is needed it seems he made a Glade VCP panel or something that allowed him to show the controls easier maybe? If all of that works as he shows is it something that is working outside of linuxCNC controls to accomplish this or does it actually interface the main system and the panel was just to make it easier to show what is going on. Either way that looks very impressive. Peace Pete On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what you want is something in the released software. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
On 21 November 2014 21:18, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, That is interesting, those retracts are they preprogrammed somwhow? Did you jog those movements? I don't understand what you are showing there. Peace motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 Defines the retracts and offsets. Actually it is almost identical to the result of using offset and limit3 in HAL as I suggested earlier, with the extra complexity of recompiling from source. I think that the patch has significant extra functionality that I didn't explore. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
On 21 November 2014 21:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 Defines the retracts and offsets. Minus the obvious typos, of course ;-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
I really do not understand all the logistics of getting say that HAAS movement to be utilized in LinuxCNC and I am sure it is not easy but it seems that it really the way it should be to me. I think as many times as this discussion has come up since I have discovered LinuxCNC it would be something that is a higher priority. it seems like there are always people suggesting lesser options rather than tackling the problem itself. I am sorry I am not capable of doing it or else I would try. Peace Pete On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:25 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2014 21:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 Defines the retracts and offsets. Minus the obvious typos, of course ;-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
On 11/21/2014 4:25 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 21 November 2014 21:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 Defines the retracts and offsets. Minus the obvious typos, of course ;-) Is there any reason why that patch could not be reviewed by the LinuxCNC devs and then pushed to master for further testing?? It seems like it would be very useful. :-) Maybe it could be included in 2.7 ? Dave --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
On 22 November 2014 01:49, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any reason why that patch could not be reviewed by the LinuxCNC devs and then pushed to master for further testing?? Looking at the patch, it is a big change. But, it doesn't do a lot more than the offset-in-HAL approach does, in fact it ends up looking very much the same. Where it beats offset-in-HAL is that it works in axes rather than joints. This is a big improvement for non-cartesian machines, less so for anything using trivkins. In some ways I like the patch because I have thought for a long time that every axis should have an external offset input for special purposes. (temperature compensations, that sort of thing). It isn't jog-while-paused. It is a set of offset pins. It could _look_ like jog-while paused, if something else manipulated those pins in the right ways. For a trivkins machine, so could the HAL offset approach. It is easy to imagine a HAL component that offsets the joint positions, and during pause watches the jog-wheels to change those offsets. I might even write it to try out the idea. The patch is a nice start, but in some was only serves to point out that the really hard part might be persuading the system as a whole, and especially the GUIs, to send jog commands to the JWP code in pause mode. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused
On Friday 21 November 2014 16:10:26 andy pugh did opine And Gene did reply: On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Pete Wrote If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position. I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC. On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a 74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch Then recompiled. Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins motion.pause-offset-x 1 motion.pause-offset-x 1 Looks like the above line should have said z, not x ;-) motion.pause-jog-feed 1 motion.pause-offet-enable 1 I get the behaviour shown here: http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what you want is something in the released software. That looks like it could be handier than sliced bread AND bottled beer. I would vote for that going into LCNC in a heartbeat. I can also see, for somebody really familiar with our gui's, a quad of buttons and an offset of that axis's display, one could then run the paused point in and out to achieve a setting that hopefully would clear the workpiece while moving in and out of the paused mode, from any place on or in the workpiece. Obviously would need to be adjusted on a per part operation basis, and probably should be saved in position.txt too. And just to save me at my years from loose nut behind the wheel mistakes, ramping the spindle slider back to 100% as it arrives back at the work position when unpaused would also be a nice touch as then it truly would be a 1 click resume. Yeah, I know, folks in hell want ice water too. But none of this is impossible now that its been done. This subject comes up about 2x annually. We wear it out and little or nothing is done. This looks like a heck of a good start! So, tell us why not? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
