Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: It's moronic to run windows. Fixed that for ya... ;-) Mark -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Tue, 6/25/13, Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached. To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 1:47 AM The error is in your log: [ 216.183331] RTAI[hal]: ERROR, LOCAL APIC CONFIGURED BUT NOT AVAILABLE/ENABLED. and a good description (including a fix) can be found here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#emc2_doesn_t_run_missing_lapic Regards, Alex Well that might fix it, if I knew how to change it from read only so it can be edited. Were this Windows I could run a text editor with elevated Administrator rights, make the change, save it then it goes back to its usual untouchable setting. Is there a way to change settings so I can be a user with full access to everything so I don't have to constantly be entering a password for Every Little Change until I have the system working? Have to enter a password just to change the power management settings so it won't go to sleep. (Shouldn't the defaults be pre-changed to no sleeping or standby for LinuxCNC?) On Windows I have my login with Administrator rights and turn off User Account Control so I don't have the OS constantly pestering me about Do you really want to do that? Are you *really* sure you want to do that? Come on, you really don't want to do that!. I'd like to do that with Linux, have it so I can do everything I need to do without having to constantly genuflect to the ghod of security, then lock things down when it's ready for the less computer savvy to use. Ie, when a configuration file needs edited I want to be able to edit it without having to hop around in a spinward circle while holding my nose and whistling the Katamari Damacy theme song. ;-) I've used and fixed computers for 30 years, DOS since 2.1, Windows since 3.0, Mac System 7.1 through 9.2.2. Haven't bothered much with Linux or OS X, tried BeOS until that company went out of business. I've been looking around at what's included in this CD image and I see several things that could be left out. Firefox, some multimedia software, Gnumeric and some others. Has anyone done a stripped down, bare bones install that has nothing but Ubuntu, LinuxCNC and the window manager/gui? I want this box to not have anything on it except for LinuxCNC because that is all it will be doing. It won't be used for CAD or altering designs. Its sole purpose will be moving a cutting torch. Put a piece of metal on the table, open the design file, cut it. That's it. Has to be something I can easily train the people who'll be operating it. Having other software installed will only tempt some operator to try to do other things. Lemme guess, it'll ask for a password just to uninstall Firefox, if it isn't an operation restricted to root access? -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
2013/6/26 Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com On Tue, 6/25/13, Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached. To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 1:47 AM The error is in your log: [ 216.183331] RTAI[hal]: ERROR, LOCAL APIC CONFIGURED BUT NOT AVAILABLE/ENABLED. and a good description (including a fix) can be found here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#emc2_doesn_t_run_missing_lapic Regards, Alex Well that might fix it, if I knew how to change it from read only so it can be edited. Were this Windows I could run a text editor with elevated Administrator rights, make the change, save it then it goes back to its usual untouchable setting. If I understand correctly, what you are asking, then opening a text editor with root privileges is very simple - in terminal execute sudo gedit. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
Now LinuxCNC runs. So does the latency test. On Wed, 6/26/13, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached. To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 2:03 AM 2013/6/26 Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com On Tue, 6/25/13, Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached. To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 1:47 AM The error is in your log: [ 216.183331] RTAI[hal]: ERROR, LOCAL APIC CONFIGURED BUT NOT AVAILABLE/ENABLED. and a good description (including a fix) can be found here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#emc2_doesn_t_run_missing_lapic Regards, Alex Well that might fix it, if I knew how to change it from read only so it can be edited. Were this Windows I could run a text editor with elevated Administrator rights, make the change, save it then it goes back to its usual untouchable setting. If I understand correctly, what you are asking, then opening a text editor with root privileges is very simple - in terminal execute sudo gedit. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: On Tue, 6/25/13, Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote: Well that might fix it, if I knew how to change it from read only so it can be edited. Were this Windows I could run a text editor with elevated Administrator rights, make the change, save it then it goes back to its usual untouchable setting. Is there a way to change settings so I can be a user with full access to everything so I don't have to constantly be entering a password for Every Little Change until I have the system working? Have to enter a password just to change the power management settings so it won't go to sleep. (Shouldn't the defaults be pre-changed to no sleeping or standby for LinuxCNC?) On Windows I have my login with Administrator rights and turn off User Account Control so I don't have the OS constantly pestering me about Do you really want to do that? Are you *really* sure you want to do that? Come on, you really don't want to do that!. I'd like to do that with Linux, have it so I can do everything I need to do without having to constantly genuflect to the ghod of security, then lock things down when it's ready for the less computer savvy to use. Ie, when a configuration file needs edited I want to be able to edit it without having to hop around in a spinward circle while holding my nose and whistling the Katamari Damacy theme song. ;-) I've used and fixed computers for 30 years, DOS since 2.1, Windows since 3.0, Mac System 7.1 through 9.2.2. Haven't bothered much with Linux or OS X, tried BeOS until that company went out of business. I've been looking around at what's included in this CD image and I see several things that could be left out. Firefox, some multimedia software, Gnumeric and some others. Has anyone done a stripped down, bare bones install that has nothing but Ubuntu, LinuxCNC and the window manager/gui? I want this box to not have anything on it except for LinuxCNC because that is all it will be doing. It won't be used for CAD or altering designs. Its sole purpose will be moving a cutting torch. Put a piece of metal on the table, open the design file, cut it. That's it. Has to be something I can easily train the people who'll be operating it. Having other software installed will only tempt some operator to try to do other things. Lemme guess, it'll ask for a password just to uninstall Firefox, if it isn't an operation restricted to root access? Different mind set on security between Windows and Unix/Linux. su to root should only be given to folks what know their way around under the hood, since root privs mean you can really mess up the system. You can set your system to be able to log into the root account from the login prompt. When logged in to your normal user account, type sudo passwd. This will allow you to set the root password on your system, which I believe comes standard with the root account locked. You can then log in to the root account through the regular login account. Sudo is a way to give certain users some, or all, of the privileges given to the root account. Do a man sudo to see what can be done, privilege-wise, based on permissions set in the /etc/sudoers under the Ubuntu OS, or /etc/sudo.conf on other systems. Mark -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: On Windows I have my login with Administrator rights and turn off User Account Control so I don't have the OS constantly pestering me about Do you really want to do that? Are you *really* sure you want to do that? Come on, you really don't want to do that!. It's moronic to run windows as an administrator unless you need to do so. I give myself a power user account and have a separate admin account. To do anything else is asking for infections. I thought msft was adopting a sudo-like capability, but it doesn't work as well as it should. Hardly surprising given the stupidity they have shown since Ballmer took over. Yeah, microsoft, I want my desktop with a 30 monitor to work just like my iPhone, that's the ticket. The fact that they make every user an administrator by default has led to more and more restrictions on the power of an administrator. You used to be able to do anything, now you have to seek help for anything out of the ordinary. And they are making new computers so that administrator accounts can't even control how it works. Sudo is a way to give certain users some, or all, of the privileges given to the root account. Do a man sudo to see what can be done, privilege-wise, based on permissions set in the /etc/sudoers under the Ubuntu OS, or /etc/sudo.conf on other systems. sudo also has a time limit that means you don't have to type a password if you run it multiple times in a certain time period. That time limit is probably settable. You can also make a root account, but then you probably have to worry about permissions. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: snippage Sudo is a way to give certain users some, or all, of the privileges given to the root account. Do a man sudo to see what can be done, privilege-wise, based on permissions set in the /etc/sudoers under the Ubuntu OS, or /etc/sudo.conf on other systems. sudo also has a time limit that means you don't have to type a password if you run it multiple times in a certain time period. That time limit is probably settable. You can also make a root account, but then you probably have to worry about permissions. The root account is already created, but it's locked. At least it is on every Ubuntu build I've ever done, either for LinuxCNC or the desktops and laptops I've built here at work. You are correct about the time limit, the default is 15 minutes. You can change that by using the timestamp_timeout option in the /etc/sudoers file, and if set to 0 will always request a password, or if set to a value less than 0 the users timestamp will never expire. Mark -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote: The root account is already created, but it's locked. At least it is on every Ubuntu build I've ever done, either for LinuxCNC or the desktops and laptops I've built here at work. I'm pretty sure all you have to do is give the root account a password. I'm starting to question the security of the sudo approach that has been taken with Ubuntu because sometimes I will be logged in for hours, and when the computer tells me there is an update, it doesn't ask for a password. This is on a 12.04 machine. Seems like installing things as root is the way to go. Yup, that's what I said earlier when I mentioned the sudo passwd trick to give the root account a password. Not everything is needed to be installed under root, unless it affects the OS. A lot of the software is installed in the user space area, and has no effect on the system operation. Kinda like compiling software for your own use, rather than something that will affect system wide like kernel patches and such. Mark -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote: The root account is already created, but it's locked. At least it is on every Ubuntu build I've ever done, either for LinuxCNC or the desktops and laptops I've built here at work. I'm pretty sure all you have to do is give the root account a password. I'm starting to question the security of the sudo approach that has been taken with Ubuntu because sometimes I will be logged in for hours, and when the computer tells me there is an update, it doesn't ask for a password. This is on a 12.04 machine. Seems like installing things as root is the way to go. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On Wed, 6/26/13, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached. To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 7:56 AM On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: On Windows I have my login with Administrator rights and turn off User Account Control so I don't have the OS constantly pestering me about Do you really want to do that? Are you *really* sure you want to do that? Come on, you really don't want to do that!. It's moronic to run windows as an administrator unless you need to do so. I give myself a power user account and have a separate admin - That's what I do. I login with Administrator *rights* not with the Administrator account. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
Open a terminal and type dmesg to see what went wrong. On 2013/06/25 09:01 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: Just trying to run LinuxCNC to have a look at it and it won't even run. I also tried the latency test and nothing at all happens, *nothing*, not even an error message. Just got done with a fresh install off the 2.5 disk then updated to 2.5.2. I first tried one of the simulation setups, then tried gantry-hs. Then I tried the wizard setup and kept clicking forward until it was done. I just want to have a look around to get a feel for the program. I get this same fail to run every time. 2.5 did this same thing, I was hoping 2.5.2 would fix whatever is wrong. The PC is a Dell Dimension L1000R 1.0 Ghz Pentium III with 512 meg RAM and an 80 gig hard drive. http://gdgt.com/dell/dimension/l1000r/specs/ -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 130624-2, 2013/06/24 Tested on: 2013/06/25 09:09:40 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
On 25 June 2013 08:01, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: I get this same fail to run every time. I think that the problem might be here: [0.00] Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- you can enable it with lapic [0.00] APIC: disable apic facility http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#emc2_doesn_t_run_missing_lapic Suggests a boot parameter, but it is worth looking int he BIOS setup first. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.
The error is in your log: [ 216.183331] RTAI[hal]: ERROR, LOCAL APIC CONFIGURED BUT NOT AVAILABLE/ENABLED. and a good description (including a fix) can be found here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#emc2_doesn_t_run_missing_lapic Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:01 AM Subject: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached. Just trying to run LinuxCNC to have a look at it and it won't even run. I also tried the latency test and nothing at all happens, *nothing*, not even an error message. Just got done with a fresh install off the 2.5 disk then updated to 2.5.2. I first tried one of the simulation setups, then tried gantry-hs. Then I tried the wizard setup and kept clicking forward until it was done. I just want to have a look around to get a feel for the program. I get this same fail to run every time. 2.5 did this same thing, I was hoping 2.5.2 would fix whatever is wrong. The PC is a Dell Dimension L1000R 1.0 Ghz Pentium III with 512 meg RAM and an 80 gig hard drive. http://gdgt.com/dell/dimension/l1000r/specs/ -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
