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Oops!!! Sorry... I created a task and assigned it to you Cedric. Have a nice time!!! 2018년 6월 2일 (토) 오후 7:25, Amitesh Singh 님이 작성: > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Cedric Bail wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > > change and > > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > > bindings. I will thanks > > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > > effort put in and > > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > > sabbatical. > > > > Cedric > > > > > Enjoy your Holidays, Cedric. Take care! :) > > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Cedric Bail wrote: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > change and > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > bindings. I will thanks > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > effort put in and > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > sabbatical. > > Cedric > > Enjoy your Holidays, Cedric. Take care! :) > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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hmm... what's at the stake? On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. < wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 01:51:54 +0200 > Jérémy Zurcher wrote: > > > > You all have likely never met someone like me or interacted with > > > them. I tend to respond as I am treated, golden rule. I most always > > > start with > > > > eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, come on ... > > that is not the place for such cocky talk !!! > > The golden rule is NOT eye for an eye > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye > > It is amazing anyone would conflate the two concepts... > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > -- Regards, Hermet -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 02:36:31 +0200 Jérémy Zurcher wrote: > > you are poisonous ... > you heaten up every thread, > I would ban you out of the www if I had the power to. Wow! That says quite allot!!! Good thing people like you haven't such power... > my very personal thought. > > all of the above just proves that you do have behaviour issues, sorry. I hope you say that to people in person This is what is considered acceptable conduct? -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpS0UG3gBmeC.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 01:51:54 +0200 Jérémy Zurcher wrote: > > You all have likely never met someone like me or interacted with > > them. I tend to respond as I am treated, golden rule. I most always > > start with > > eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, come on ... > that is not the place for such cocky talk !!! The golden rule is NOT eye for an eye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye It is amazing anyone would conflate the two concepts... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpgCVgrTXL2I.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thursday 31 May 2018 18:26, Michael Jennings wrote : > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:16 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had > > few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was > > nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... > > > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 > > > > His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an > > respected leadership Or even a respectful person!!! > > > > He went on to insult more... > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 > > > > Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... > > I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE > > He had no business commenting on that at all!!! > > He was absolutely right, and you were absolutely wrong. Your comments > about his attitude and behavior were uncalled-for and out-of-line, but > your racist and bigoted comments regarding his nationality/ethnicity > were completely and utterly unacceptable in civilized discourse, not > to mention in violation of our Community Guidelines. > > "I see you are French so likely an immigrant to the US. That you are > French says enough right there Now your conduct makes much more > sense to me Samsung and Tizen is doomed" > > That is an absolutely horrifying statement, no different than if you > had said, "That you are black" or "That you are a woman." We do not > tolerate bigotry, racism, or any other intolerant/hate speech directed > at *anyone*, let alone one of the longest-term and most valuable > developers we have! > > Furthermore, your constant rants and tirades are toxic to this > community. Your technical contributions are valued and appreciated, > but the tone and attitude with which you regularly present them > is...off-putting, to say the least. With a little bit of effort, you > could learn to say the same things without the snark and petty > insults/jabs at the developers, and you'd be a lot less likely to > receive the same in return. > > What's worse, you frequently lecture the community on our rudeness, > our hostility, our lack of self-reflection/self-awareness, and so > forth...yet the fact that each of those things can be accurately said > about *you* seems to somehow escape your notice. I'm not sure if you > are just unaware of how you come across to others and how your diction > and tone hinder your effectiveness as a communicator (often causing > your message to be lost or overshadowed) or if you simply don't care. > For the sake of your future relationships, both professional and > interpersonal, I would encourage you to focus less on the behavior of > others -- something you cannot affect -- and more on your own approach > to interaction -- upon which you can have significant impact! :-) > > > Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator > > account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical > > issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others > > with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. > > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues > > > > None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? > > Because he is a senior member of this community (as am I), having been > involved for many years, and bears a certain amount of personal > responsibility for the health of the community. So when we see a less > senior developer getting verbally flogged for no good reason, as > happened to Andy Williams in that Phab ticket, we sometimes feel > compelled to intervene on behalf of the attacked. > > The verbal berating Andy got from you for doing nothing more than > removing an unnecessary and potentially confusing use of a TLA from a > bug report (and by the way, SOL means "Shit Outta Luck," but it can > also mean "Serial-Over-LAN" or "Simulation-Oriented Language" or over > 300 other things...not to mention it's the actual name of the Sun, so > Andy was right on!) was beyond inappropriate. Literally the very > first response from you was to snidely critique his time management > skills, accuse him of trying to control other people, and ASSUME that > he doesn't know what "SOL" stood for! And later on you admonish him > for how he handled the situation, saying he should "start out by being > nice and thankful," and yet you *yourself* started out being > judgmental and condescending, not "nice and thankful!" Do you not see > the immense hypocrisy? Your constant attacks on others for exactly > the same behaviors you yourself continue to exhibit is exhausting and > toxic. > > Cedric was absolutely justified in intervening. Had I seen what > transpired, I'd have done the exact same thing. > > > IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more > > of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have > > gone. They surely h
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On Thursday 31 May 2018 12:20, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote : > On Thu, 31 May 2018 12:42:09 -0300 > Felipe Magno de Almeida wrote: > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > > wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 May 2018 11:35:26 -0300 > > > Felipe Magno de Almeida wrote: > > > > > > I am not here to be liked > > > > Then you're doing a good job. > > Felipe, > Do realize your comments are insulting? Maybe by intention. > Have we ever interacted before? > > Your first contact is to insult someone you do not know, to defend > someone you do. That makes sense Guess I should like you? > > > > IMHO to be an adult, you must learn to work with and deal with those > > > you do not like. You cannot just cast people you dislike aside. > > > > Fortunately, some people I can. > > Doors can swing both ways. When it is used against you. You may feel > otherwise or not. Freedom is not about exclusion... or freedom for some. > > That is really sad state of FOSS if people feel others should be > excluded because they are not liked. What does that say to minorities? > If you have such issues with me. What chance do others stand? > Given the way some black and Hispanics conduct themselves in the US. you said enough ... > Or what about South America? Or poor African countries? They would also > not be liked. I think you all fail to realize such... you are mixing everything up, skin colors, mother land, whatsoever, it has strictly nothing to do with behaviour if FOSS !!! beeing liked && minorities ... I can't even undersand how you can link these two concepts together. South Amireca, poor African countries not beeing liked ... you are simply insuinating that people here are judging this, and that is uttrly unacceptable. > > California has massive Hispanic populations. Where are they in tech? > Or African Americans? > https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/29/black-founders-matter-wants-to-raise-10-million-to-fund-black-led-startups/ > > It is not about the color of their skin Its about they way they > conduct themselves. It is different Thus not accepted... Sad!!! > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- Hell'O from Yverdoom Jérémy (jeyzu) -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:16 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had > few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was > nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 > > His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an > respected leadership Or even a respectful person!!! > > He went on to insult more... > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 > > Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... > I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE > He had no business commenting on that at all!!! He was absolutely right, and you were absolutely wrong. Your comments about his attitude and behavior were uncalled-for and out-of-line, but your racist and bigoted comments regarding his nationality/ethnicity were completely and utterly unacceptable in civilized discourse, not to mention in violation of our Community Guidelines. "I see you are French so likely an immigrant to the US. That you are French says enough right there Now your conduct makes much more sense to me Samsung and Tizen is doomed" That is an absolutely horrifying statement, no different than if you had said, "That you are black" or "That you are a woman." We do not tolerate bigotry, racism, or any other intolerant/hate speech directed at *anyone*, let alone one of the longest-term and most valuable developers we have! Furthermore, your constant rants and tirades are toxic to this community. Your technical contributions are valued and appreciated, but the tone and attitude with which you regularly present them is...off-putting, to say the least. With a little bit of effort, you could learn to say the same things without the snark and petty insults/jabs at the developers, and you'd be a lot less likely to receive the same in return. What's worse, you frequently lecture the community on our rudeness, our hostility, our lack of self-reflection/self-awareness, and so forth...yet the fact that each of those things can be accurately said about *you* seems to somehow escape your notice. I'm not sure if you are just unaware of how you come across to others and how your diction and tone hinder your effectiveness as a communicator (often causing your message to be lost or overshadowed) or if you simply don't care. For the sake of your future relationships, both professional and interpersonal, I would encourage you to focus less on the behavior of others -- something you cannot affect -- and more on your own approach to interaction -- upon which you can have significant impact! :-) > Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator > account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical > issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others > with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues > > None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? Because he is a senior member of this community (as am I), having been involved for many years, and bears a certain amount of personal responsibility for the health of the community. So when we see a less senior developer getting verbally flogged for no good reason, as happened to Andy Williams in that Phab ticket, we sometimes feel compelled to intervene on behalf of the attacked. The verbal berating Andy got from you for doing nothing more than removing an unnecessary and potentially confusing use of a TLA from a bug report (and by the way, SOL means "Shit Outta Luck," but it can also mean "Serial-Over-LAN" or "Simulation-Oriented Language" or over 300 other things...not to mention it's the actual name of the Sun, so Andy was right on!) was beyond inappropriate. Literally the very first response from you was to snidely critique his time management skills, accuse him of trying to control other people, and ASSUME that he doesn't know what "SOL" stood for! And later on you admonish him for how he handled the situation, saying he should "start out by being nice and thankful," and yet you *yourself* started out being judgmental and condescending, not "nice and thankful!" Do you not see the immense hypocrisy? Your constant attacks on others for exactly the same behaviors you yourself continue to exhibit is exhausting and toxic. Cedric was absolutely justified in intervening. Had I seen what transpired, I'd have done the exact same thing. > IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more > of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have > gone. They surely have not made my things any better for me as someone > new to EFL development and the community. You keep trying to place the blame for your bad experiences on other people, but whether it's the KDE community or the Gentoo community or the E
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On Thursday 31 May 2018 14:55, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote : > On Thu, 31 May 2018 18:42:07 +0100 > Andrew Williams wrote: > > > This is absolutely unacceptable William. We have community guidelines. > > We have difference of opinions on acceptable. Going back to our 1 hour > discussion on my use of the word ditch I can provide the IRC log. > > I mentioned in a E presentation early on... I will see if I can find > where I mention that and the rooms reaction... Different cultures... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbDpKjznI3M > > Some say its colour some say its color. Favourite to favorite. Many > things in the world are seen and interpreted differently... > > > https://www.enlightenment.org/contact > > Note “Please treat everyone with kindness and respect.” > > Except I should not receive that right? > Have I been shown kindness and respect? > You get what you put out... > > You may think you have been kind and respect. When I am telling you I > was insulted. Just like you say I am not kind or respectful... > I even show you in in links, which are ignored > Policies must be enforced equally for them to have any merit!!! > > > Your behaviour is clearly in violation of the community that the team > > are trying to defend and I hope that someone who can do so will take > > action > > You all already have... You disabled my phab account, banned my other > email address. That is how you welcome new people to the community? > What does that say to others? Do you think people want to join > something when they see others being banned? > > That also hurts you all more than it harms me. I cannot report > unknown issues so they cannot be addressed. Much less any contributions. > > I can move on and contribute else where. Most FOSS projects welcome all > the help they can get. Many here have said you all could use more > contributors and lost them over the years... I am sure bans will help!!! > > FYI my Gentoo bans have lead to me replacing all Java on Gentoo, but > Gentoo does not benefit. Their loss not mine you are poisonous ... you heaten up every thread, I would ban you out of the www if I had the power to. my very personal thought. all of the above just proves that you do have behaviour issues, sorry. > > Current > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/tree/master/dev-java/ > > Bitrotting all old versions > https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/tree/master/dev-java > > 2yr old PR I did long ago, as I used to maintain Tomcat on Gentoo... > https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1358 > > May - June 2017 > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/commits/master/www-servers/tomcat > > You all need to seriously self reflect and STOP blaming others > Others outside just reading all this, may not feel as you do. I have > already seen that in Gentoo > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/a6008dc2d2ebf57a90e1912ea53b1484 > > Gentoo has moved to restricted postings on its development mailing list > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/1bf08a0150b840cc7ea4218ef05a3311 > > That only hurts Gentoo, not me or others... Look at this new > persons comments and the response > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/e98d2ef0c3916f6f1f020e8197b7535f > > I have been banned from Gentoo mailing list since December, yet > Gentoo problems persist. > > They cut off my bugzilla access over my comments regarding EFL and E > https://bugs.gentoo.org/648816#c16 > > Now I cannot respond to this issue regarding E on Wayland. > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652340 > > Just like I cannot respond to any bug I filed in phabricator > for EFL or E > https://phab.enlightenment.org/maniphest/query/oyqdpfh9GVBn/#R > > All those tasks are orphaned now I cannot respond... > > How does that help the community? > How does that make anything any better? > > You only hurt the EFL/E community you think your protecting > Though I doubt that will be seen the same as we have differences of > opinion on may things. > > End of the day, I would not treat you all, the way you all treat me... > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- Hell'O from Yverdoom Jérémy (jeyzu) -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enl
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On Thursday 31 May 2018 11:44, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote : > On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 00:21:43 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 May 2018 10:16:34 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." > > said: > > > > dude... no need for that. :( cedric has done lots of good work. > > I never commented on his work, or said anything to that effect > > > i think a fair few people have had their tussles with you. in fact of > > late i even commented to some people that you seem quite nice > > lately... :) > > You all have likely never met someone like me or interacted with them. > I tend to respond as I am treated, golden rule. I most always start with eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, come on ... that is not the place for such cocky talk !!! > respect and politeness. But that can be interpreted differently based on > language, culture etc. You see me as disrespectful, and I see the same > in return about others. Who is correct? Neither. > > I find many cultures to be insulting, but I understand that is their > ways. That is life. Not all will get along or agree on conduct. The > world is very diverse Accept other cultures and conduct, rather > than change. Understand and figure ways for all to work together. > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- Hell'O from Yverdoom Jérémy (jeyzu) -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 18:42:07 +0100 Andrew Williams wrote: > This is absolutely unacceptable William. We have community guidelines. We have difference of opinions on acceptable. Going back to our 1 hour discussion on my use of the word ditch I can provide the IRC log. I mentioned in a E presentation early on... I will see if I can find where I mention that and the rooms reaction... Different cultures... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbDpKjznI3M Some say its colour some say its color. Favourite to favorite. Many things in the world are seen and interpreted differently... > https://www.enlightenment.org/contact > Note “Please treat everyone with kindness and respect.” Except I should not receive that right? Have I been shown kindness and respect? You get what you put out... You may think you have been kind and respect. When I am telling you I was insulted. Just like you say I am not kind or respectful... I even show you in in links, which are ignored Policies must be enforced equally for them to have any merit!!! > Your behaviour is clearly in violation of the community that the team > are trying to defend and I hope that someone who can do so will take > action You all already have... You disabled my phab account, banned my other email address. That is how you welcome new people to the community? What does that say to others? Do you think people want to join something when they see others being banned? That also hurts you all more than it harms me. I cannot report unknown issues so they cannot be addressed. Much less any contributions. I can move on and contribute else where. Most FOSS projects welcome all the help they can get. Many here have said you all could use more contributors and lost them over the years... I am sure bans will help!!! FYI my Gentoo bans have lead to me replacing all Java on Gentoo, but Gentoo does not benefit. Their loss not mine Current https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/tree/master/dev-java/ Bitrotting all old versions https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/tree/master/dev-java 2yr old PR I did long ago, as I used to maintain Tomcat on Gentoo... https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1358 May - June 2017 https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/commits/master/www-servers/tomcat You all need to seriously self reflect and STOP blaming others Others outside just reading all this, may not feel as you do. I have already seen that in Gentoo https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/a6008dc2d2ebf57a90e1912ea53b1484 Gentoo has moved to restricted postings on its development mailing list https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/1bf08a0150b840cc7ea4218ef05a3311 That only hurts Gentoo, not me or others... Look at this new persons comments and the response https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/e98d2ef0c3916f6f1f020e8197b7535f I have been banned from Gentoo mailing list since December, yet Gentoo problems persist. They cut off my bugzilla access over my comments regarding EFL and E https://bugs.gentoo.org/648816#c16 Now I cannot respond to this issue regarding E on Wayland. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652340 Just like I cannot respond to any bug I filed in phabricator for EFL or E https://phab.enlightenment.org/maniphest/query/oyqdpfh9GVBn/#R All those tasks are orphaned now I cannot respond... How does that help the community? How does that make anything any better? You only hurt the EFL/E community you think your protecting Though I doubt that will be seen the same as we have differences of opinion on may things. End of the day, I would not treat you all, the way you all treat me... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpAOguhl4jYG.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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Take care Cedric, and thank you for your patience and guidance. Enjoy the break you certainly deserve it. Bryce On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:31:03PM -0400, Cedric Bail wrote: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > change and > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > bindings. I will thanks > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > effort put in and > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. > > Cedric > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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Hi Cedric, I really hope you enjoy your well earned break and that we see you again when you are rested. Your contribution has been enormous and I have very much enjoyed working with you. All the best for the next adventure! Andrew On Wed, 30 May 2018 at 04:32, Cedric Bail wrote: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > change and > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > bindings. I will thanks > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > effort put in and > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > sabbatical. > > Cedric > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- http://andywilliams.me http://ajwillia.ms -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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This is absolutely unacceptable William. We have community guidelines. https://www.enlightenment.org/contact Note “Please treat everyone with kindness and respect.” Your behaviour is clearly in violation of the community that the team are trying to defend and I hope that someone who can do so will take action. Regards, Andrew On Thu, 31 May 2018 at 15:16, William L. Thomson Jr. < wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote: > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had > few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was > nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 > > His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an > respected leadership Or even a respectful person!!! > > He went on to insult more... > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 > > Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... > I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE > He had no business commenting on that at all!!! > > Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator > account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical > issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others > with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues > > None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? > > Note the other in that task has also mostly moved on or something per > > https://sourceforge.net/p/enlightenment/mailman/enlightenment-devel/thread/CADrerf4-HvLbrB4_oS7-Am9e9-DJW8sM_iiLbhGXaoSk%3DE7Ztg%40mail.gmail.com/#msg36216138 > > No clue where that leaves elm_code, or ecrire... > > IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more > of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have > gone. They surely have not made my things any better for me as someone > new to EFL development and the community. > > Hard for me to see things the way others do. You all are bias from > years of working with each other. I am new, and treated like garbage... > I am happy to see some go!!! > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- http://andywilliams.me http://ajwillia.ms -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 12:42:09 -0300 Felipe Magno de Almeida wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > On Thu, 31 May 2018 11:35:26 -0300 > > Felipe Magno de Almeida wrote: > > > > I am not here to be liked > > Then you're doing a good job. Felipe, Do realize your comments are insulting? Maybe by intention. Have we ever interacted before? Your first contact is to insult someone you do not know, to defend someone you do. That makes sense Guess I should like you? > > IMHO to be an adult, you must learn to work with and deal with those > > you do not like. You cannot just cast people you dislike aside. > > Fortunately, some people I can. Doors can swing both ways. When it is used against you. You may feel otherwise or not. Freedom is not about exclusion... or freedom for some. That is really sad state of FOSS if people feel others should be excluded because they are not liked. What does that say to minorities? If you have such issues with me. What chance do others stand? Given the way some black and Hispanics conduct themselves in the US. Or what about South America? Or poor African countries? They would also not be liked. I think you all fail to realize such... California has massive Hispanic populations. Where are they in tech? Or African Americans? https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/29/black-founders-matter-wants-to-raise-10-million-to-fund-black-led-startups/ It is not about the color of their skin Its about they way they conduct themselves. It is different Thus not accepted... Sad!!! -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpTKl8QPVM1P.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 18:53:22 +0300 Daniel Zaoui said: > Cedric, I hate you!!! Because of you leaving, I have a lot of spams of boring > people thinking that they, with their opinion, are important in the world. > > So you have two choices: you never come back or you never leave again!!! > > Anyway, I already miss your 121 buggy patches, and yes, Carsten will miss it > too! He is just getting old, so he is grumpy from the morning! You know him... grumpy 24/7. :) but maybe less grumpy if i quit. dealing with all of this is just too much for my old an decrepit heart... > Hope to meet your bugs soon :P > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:31:03 -0400 > Cedric Bail wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the > > major change and discussion necessary to be done for enabling a > > stable interfaces for bindings. I will thanks everyone that helped > > get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the effort put in and > > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > > sabbatical. > > > > Cedric > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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Cedric, I hate you!!! Because of you leaving, I have a lot of spams of boring people thinking that they, with their opinion, are important in the world. So you have two choices: you never come back or you never leave again!!! Anyway, I already miss your 121 buggy patches, and yes, Carsten will miss it too! He is just getting old, so he is grumpy from the morning! You know him... Hope to meet your bugs soon :P On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:31:03 -0400 Cedric Bail wrote: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the > major change and discussion necessary to be done for enabling a > stable interfaces for bindings. I will thanks everyone that helped > get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the effort put in and > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > sabbatical. > > Cedric > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 00:21:43 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2018 10:16:34 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." > said: > > dude... no need for that. :( cedric has done lots of good work. I never commented on his work, or said anything to that effect > i think a fair few people have had their tussles with you. in fact of > late i even commented to some people that you seem quite nice > lately... :) You all have likely never met someone like me or interacted with them. I tend to respond as I am treated, golden rule. I most always start with respect and politeness. But that can be interpreted differently based on language, culture etc. You see me as disrespectful, and I see the same in return about others. Who is correct? Neither... I find many cultures to be insulting, but I understand that is their ways. That is life. Not all will get along or agree on conduct. The world is very diverse Accept other cultures and conduct, rather than change. Understand and figure ways for all to work together. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpxqFcm5oDzO.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2018 11:35:26 -0300 > Felipe Magno de Almeida wrote: > >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:16 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. >> wrote: >> > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! >> >> You're really making it hard for people to like you with this >> attitude. > > I am not here to be liked Then you're doing a good job. > IMHO to be an adult, you must learn to work with and deal with those > you do not like. You cannot just cast people you dislike aside. Fortunately, some people I can. > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. Regards, -- Felipe Magno de Almeida -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 11:35:26 -0300 Felipe Magno de Almeida wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:16 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! > > You're really making it hard for people to like you with this > attitude. I am not here to be liked That is entirely superficial. Respect is another matter. You can respect and be respectful toward those you dislike. Though many seem to think since I dislike someone it is ok to be disrespectful etc IMHO to be an adult, you must learn to work with and deal with those you do not like. You cannot just cast people you dislike aside. The world is full of people others will dislike. FOSS is not about exclusion or only developing software only for those you like With only those you like. That is a perfect recipe to completely miss stuff from another perspective. Like that which I point out... I deal with many on a daily basis in person and virtually that I dislike. That is life... Get over it... Be an adult!!! Learn to accept and work with those you dislike. The world is not a friendly place... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpsfwg40Ad4q.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 09:51:36 -0500 Stephen Houston wrote: > I can't even comprehend the thought process of someone to be able to > write this mail. You are using and enjoying the fruits of Cedric's > labor with the code you write and the use of E and EFL -- Am I enjoying it? More like regretting it... But its a choice I made so I am sticking with it for now. Despite it all > There is no other way to put it. Cedric's stamp on this project is > massive and it wouldn't be what it is today without his years of > service. Why then is EFL and E not more popular and used more? > The optimizations and speed that you enjoy are in large > part due to his work. Further -- There is no one in this entire > project who has anything negative to say about Cedric on a personal > level. That says a lot right there... > The dude is simply one of the nicest guys you will ever > meet. That is subject to opinion. The same could be said about me... I come from the South and the streets. Respect is HUGE!!! I doubt there are any around with my unique background... > Frankly, I have defended you within this project Wltjr - > despite your brash personality and not so subtle opinions - Sorry to have my own opinions and a personality clearly none of you all have come across in your many years... You would be quite surprised as to the reality of things... Funny how at major events like Linux World. I never had such problems as a public face. Meeting with thousands... > as I have felt you added value with your development experiences > using our libraries and with your testing/bug reporting using our > applications. With an email as unprofessional, and frankly > disgusting, as the one you just sent, you will no longer get any > support from me, and I seriously doubt you will get any from any > other developer now. This was neither the time nor place for your > crying and vendettas against someone. Grow up. What support did I get in the first place? My experience as a new developer to this community has been horrendous Not sure it could get much worse. Yet your claiming my experience to be otherwise? I have pointed this out to you personally. Reading Samsung Open Source blog, I have no one to thank for taking me under their wing, helping me, etc In fact I have the opposite, people to blame vs thank... https://s-opensource.org/2016/09/19/introducing-stephen-houston-newest-intern/ My post was entirely professional and supported with links for proof rather than just opinion. Read his posts on that task... I guess all of Cedric's conduct on that task was professional, warranted, no personal insults, 100% technical in nature, addressed the issues in the task, and so on... It is exactly this type of defense of undefendable behavior that will hurt a project. You all had problems before me. You all have problems after me. These people are not leaving over me... I fail to see those leaving making things that much better... They have had years to turn things around... They maybe the reason others are not coming to the project. Thus such massive stuff coming from a few... Maybe others do not want to work with them? Does anyone ever consider that? Or just keep patting each other on the back... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpyC1XxIHvtF.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 10:16:34 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: dude... no need for that. :( cedric has done lots of good work. i think a fair few people have had their tussles with you. in fact of late i even commented to some people that you seem quite nice lately... :) > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had > few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was > nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 > > His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an > respected leadership Or even a respectful person!!! > > He went on to insult more... > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 > > Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... > I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE > He had no business commenting on that at all!!! > > Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator > account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical > issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others > with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues > > None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? > > Note the other in that task has also mostly moved on or something per > https://sourceforge.net/p/enlightenment/mailman/enlightenment-devel/thread/CADrerf4-HvLbrB4_oS7-Am9e9-DJW8sM_iiLbhGXaoSk%3DE7Ztg%40mail.gmail.com/#msg36216138 > > No clue where that leaves elm_code, or ecrire... > > IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more > of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have > gone. They surely have not made my things any better for me as someone > new to EFL development and the community. > > Hard for me to see things the way others do. You all are bias from > years of working with each other. I am new, and treated like garbage... > I am happy to see some go!!! > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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I can't even comprehend the thought process of someone to be able to write this mail. You are using and enjoying the fruits of Cedric's labor with the code you write and the use of E and EFL -- There is no other way to put it. Cedric's stamp on this project is massive and it wouldn't be what it is today without his years of service. The optimizations and speed that you enjoy are in large part due to his work. Further -- There is no one in this entire project who has anything negative to say about Cedric on a personal level. The dude is simply one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. Frankly, I have defended you within this project Wltjr - despite your brash personality and not so subtle opinions - as I have felt you added value with your development experiences using our libraries and with your testing/bug reporting using our applications. With an email as unprofessional, and frankly disgusting, as the one you just sent, you will no longer get any support from me, and I seriously doubt you will get any from any other developer now. This was neither the time nor place for your crying and vendettas against someone. Grow up. On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 9:17 AM William L. Thomson Jr. < wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote: > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had > few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was > nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 > > His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an > respected leadership Or even a respectful person!!! > > He went on to insult more... > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 > > Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... > I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE > He had no business commenting on that at all!!! > > Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator > account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical > issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others > with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues > > None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? > > Note the other in that task has also mostly moved on or something per > > https://sourceforge.net/p/enlightenment/mailman/enlightenment-devel/thread/CADrerf4-HvLbrB4_oS7-Am9e9-DJW8sM_iiLbhGXaoSk%3DE7Ztg%40mail.gmail.com/#msg36216138 > > No clue where that leaves elm_code, or ecrire... > > IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more > of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have > gone. They surely have not made my things any better for me as someone > new to EFL development and the community. > > Hard for me to see things the way others do. You all are bias from > years of working with each other. I am new, and treated like garbage... > I am happy to see some go!!! > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On 18-05-29 23:31, Cedric Bail wrote: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > change and > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > bindings. I will thanks > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > effort put in and > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. > > Cedric It always been a pleasure to work with you. I hope our paths will cross again. You've long deserved your time off. Take care of yourself, we'll try to look after the code :) Best, -- Boris Faure Pointer Arithmetician signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:16 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! You're really making it hard for people to like you with this attitude. [snip] > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. Regards, -- Felipe Magno de Almeida -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an respected leadership Or even a respectful person!!! He went on to insult more... https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE He had no business commenting on that at all!!! Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? Note the other in that task has also mostly moved on or something per https://sourceforge.net/p/enlightenment/mailman/enlightenment-devel/thread/CADrerf4-HvLbrB4_oS7-Am9e9-DJW8sM_iiLbhGXaoSk%3DE7Ztg%40mail.gmail.com/#msg36216138 No clue where that leaves elm_code, or ecrire... IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have gone. They surely have not made my things any better for me as someone new to EFL development and the community. Hard for me to see things the way others do. You all are bias from years of working with each other. I am new, and treated like garbage... I am happy to see some go!!! -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpZCrH01goU4.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:31 AM, Cedric Bail wrote: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > change and > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > bindings. I will thanks > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > effort put in and > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. You deserve some time off! Hope this time off is enough for you to get back to EFL. If not, I'm sure it will be for the best. > Cedric Kind regards, -- Felipe Magno de Almeida -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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+1. You are awesome Cedric. I hope you have an enjoyable time away and look forward to working with you in the future. On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 6:27 AM Mike Blumenkrantz < michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cedric, it's been a pleasure working with you for all these years. You've > been a dependable colleague across many different projects, and I've > learned a lot from you. Thanks again for spending some of your free time > earlier this week reviewing patches despite leaving the company; this > obviously wasn't required of you, but it was greatly appreciated > nonetheless. > > I hope that you'll consider working with/for us again in the future, but if > not then I'm sure you'll have no issues finding opportunities elsewhere. > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:31 PM Cedric Bail wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > > change and > > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > > bindings. I will thanks > > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > > effort put in and > > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > > sabbatical. > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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HAHAHA!!! You killed me bro! So serious :D ! On Thu, 31 May 2018 07:27:02 -0400 Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > Cedric, it's been a pleasure working with you for all these years. > You've been a dependable colleague across many different projects, > and I've learned a lot from you. Thanks again for spending some of > your free time earlier this week reviewing patches despite leaving > the company; this obviously wasn't required of you, but it was > greatly appreciated nonetheless. > > I hope that you'll consider working with/for us again in the future, > but if not then I'm sure you'll have no issues finding opportunities > elsewhere. > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:31 PM Cedric Bail wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the > > major change and > > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > > bindings. I will thanks > > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout > > by the effort put in and > > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > > sabbatical. > > > > Cedric > > > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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Cedric, it's been a pleasure working with you for all these years. You've been a dependable colleague across many different projects, and I've learned a lot from you. Thanks again for spending some of your free time earlier this week reviewing patches despite leaving the company; this obviously wasn't required of you, but it was greatly appreciated nonetheless. I hope that you'll consider working with/for us again in the future, but if not then I'm sure you'll have no issues finding opportunities elsewhere. On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:31 PM Cedric Bail wrote: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > change and > discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for > bindings. I will thanks > everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the > effort put in and > need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a > sabbatical. > > Cedric > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Off
Oh! Enjoy your time off, Cedric :) We'll be waiting ;) -- Daniel (herdsman) Hirt On 05/30/2018 06:31 AM, Cedric Bail wrote: Hello, It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major change and discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for bindings. I will thanks everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the effort put in and need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. Cedric -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Off
I wish you a nice recovering time! :) On 05/30/2018 09:01 AM, Hermet Park wrote: I'm worrying if you forget c grammar after 60 days! Enjoy :-) On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:31:03 -0400 Cedric Bail said: Hello, It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major change and discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for bindings. I will thanks everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the effort put in and need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. enjoy your holidays! -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Off
I'm worrying if you forget c grammar after 60 days! Enjoy :-) On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:31:03 -0400 Cedric Bail said: > > > Hello, > > > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > > change and discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable > interfaces > > for bindings. I will thanks everyone that helped get things done. Still, > I am > > clearly burnout by the effort put in and need to take some time off. So > for > > June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. > > enjoy your holidays! > > -- > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Regards, Hermet -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Off
On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:31:03 -0400 Cedric Bail said: > Hello, > > It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major > change and discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces > for bindings. I will thanks everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am > clearly burnout by the effort put in and need to take some time off. So for > June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. enjoy your holidays! -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Off
Hello, It has been quite exhausting over the past months to deal with the major change and discussion necessary to be done for enabling a stable interfaces for bindings. I will thanks everyone that helped get things done. Still, I am clearly burnout by the effort put in and need to take some time off. So for June to August, I will be on a sabbatical. Cedric -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] off on holidays
just in case you guys will think i died... i won't have. tomorrow i'll be off on holidays until the 6th of janruary or so - i might get through some of my email backlog by then, but who knows. so if you exspect a reply from me... and don't get it. it's because i am off on holidays. expect a few weeks for me to recover fromt he email disaster too! anyway - everyone, have a merry merry christmas and a happy new year. don't drink too much (more than 3 bottles of wine for dinner - for yourself. it will hurt the next day. trust me.) :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] (off topic) mouse gestures
Cool, i will give if a try later this day :) Greets, Chris Nir Tzachar wrote: > hello list. > > this is a bit off topic, but i value the input generated on this list. > if you are not interested, please ignore this message. > > continuing a conversation held on this list a week ago, i went ahead > and implemented an X gesture program. It is a stand alone program, > independent of e. > > you can grab a copy from : > http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~tzachar/xgestures/xgestures-0.1.tar.bz2 > > it works by placing a passive grab on the mouse, and uses a simple > (very simple, almost idiotic..) algorithm to recognize gestures. > please go over the short README for more info on how to configure it. > > anyway, currently the only wm related actions are killing and > minimizing windows. other actions are executing a program, closing the > gestures program and displaying a list of currently known gestures. > i would appreciate any input on how to implement further > functionalities, like flipping desktops, maximizing windows, etc. I > considered using wmctrl, but apparently e does not implement the > required mechanism. > i plan on adding more generic functionality using wmctrl in the future. > > any help is more than welcomed. > > cheers, > --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] (off topic) mouse gestures
hello list. this is a bit off topic, but i value the input generated on this list. if you are not interested, please ignore this message. continuing a conversation held on this list a week ago, i went ahead and implemented an X gesture program. It is a stand alone program, independent of e. you can grab a copy from : http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~tzachar/xgestures/xgestures-0.1.tar.bz2 it works by placing a passive grab on the mouse, and uses a simple (very simple, almost idiotic..) algorithm to recognize gestures. please go over the short README for more info on how to configure it. anyway, currently the only wm related actions are killing and minimizing windows. other actions are executing a program, closing the gestures program and displaying a list of currently known gestures. i would appreciate any input on how to implement further functionalities, like flipping desktops, maximizing windows, etc. I considered using wmctrl, but apparently e does not implement the required mechanism. i plan on adding more generic functionality using wmctrl in the future. any help is more than welcomed. cheers, -- nir. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
