Re: [e-users] Enventor v0.7.0 release.

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:42:41 +0100 schrieb Andreas Volz:

Hello,

no hints. I even tried with the release now. Does it work for all
others?

> Am Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:03:57 +0900 (KST) schrieb Hermet Park:
> 
> > Hello everyone.
> > 
> > Enventor v0.7.0 was just released after about 6 months development. 
> > We've mainly focused on stabilizing and improving some fancy
> > features such as auto completion and live edit. We're pretty sure
> > Enventor has become more an useful tool for edc script.
> > 
> > Enjoy it.
> 
> Hi, looks nice. I like to try and compile it from GIT:
> 
> > LC_ALL=C make
> make  all-recursive
> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor'
> Making all in src
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src' Making all in lib
> make[3]: Entering directory
> `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src/lib' EOLIAN
> enventor_object.eo.c eolian: --eo not specified
> make[3]: *** [enventor_object.eo.c] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src/lib' make[2]: ***
> [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src' make[1]: ***
> [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor' make: *** [all] Error 2
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Re: [e-users] Enventor v0.7.0 release.

[Andreas Volz]

Am Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:03:57 +0900 (KST) schrieb Hermet Park:

> Hello everyone.
> 
> Enventor v0.7.0 was just released after about 6 months development. 
> We've mainly focused on stabilizing and improving some fancy features
> such as auto completion and live edit. We're pretty sure Enventor has
> become more an useful tool for edc script.
> 
> Enjoy it.

Hi, looks nice. I like to try and compile it from GIT:

> LC_ALL=C make
make  all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor'
Making all in src
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src'
Making all in lib
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src/lib'
  EOLIAN   enventor_object.eo.c
eolian: --eo not specified
make[3]: *** [enventor_object.eo.c] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src/lib'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/andreas/src/git/efl/tools/enventor'
make: *** [all] Error 2

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[e-users] Virtual Keyboard - illume2?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

my application on E20 needs a virtual keyboard for a touch screen
device.

I checked out 

git://git.enlightenment.org/devs/discomfitor/e_module-illume2.git

But how could I compile it? There's no README file.

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Re: [e-users] e20 window display problem

[Andreas Volz]

Am Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:16:47 +0100 schrieb Francesc Guasch:

> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 01:05:34PM +, Mick wrote:
> > Hi Andreas,
> > 
> > On Monday 28 Dec 2015 11:01:40 Andreas Volz wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Now there is a strange effect if I start new windows from my e20
> > > session. It seems only E internal and e based apps have this
> > > problem (e.g. terminology). Maybe others too, but I didn't see it.
> > > 
> > > The window frame appears just half a second before the content is
> > > displayed and while this time the E background is displayed in
> > > this frame. I see my background icons in the new window frame.
> > > Then the real content is displayed. Looks strange and annoying.
> > > 
> > Did you try stopping e, then moving /home/user/.e and restarting
> > e?  It will create a new profile with default settings and this
> > will prove if it is a build or a configuration issue.
> 
> I had similar issues that I solved removing .elementary directory
> from my home

Thanks - this solved my problems too!

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[e-users] e20 window display problem

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

I just updated from e19 to e20 on my ubuntu system.

Now there is a strange effect if I start new windows from my e20
session. It seems only E internal and e based apps have this problem
(e.g. terminology). Maybe others too, but I didn't see it.

The window frame appears just half a second before the content is
displayed and while this time the E background is displayed in this
frame. I see my background icons in the new window frame. Then the real
content is displayed. Looks strange and annoying.

I you don't understand the problem I'll try to create a video with my
mobile and send you a link.

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[e-users] EFL image viewer

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

I just take a look on ephoto and Enki and both didn't fit my needs. Are
there any alternatives? (elementary)

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Re: [e-users] Exebuf problems

[Andreas Volz]

Am Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:49:26 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:46:20 +0100 thomasg tho...@gstaedtner.net
 said:
 
  On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Carsten Haitzler
  ras...@rasterman.comwrote:
  
   On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:08:44 + rob r...@rektau.ukfsn.org
   said:
  
On 03/12/12 17:37, Andreas Volz wrote:
 Hello,

 I've some problems to run some applications in Exebuf module
 placed in ~/bin folder. I put a script there and shell could
 run it from any folder. But Exebuf couldn't run it. Even
 restart E17 didn't help.

 Do you get same experience?

 regards
 Andreas

   
Haven't been able to use/load since start of alpha*s. Assumed
its no longer included.
  
   exebuf was removed and replaced by evrything years ago.
  
  
  I'm pretty sure Andreas is talking about Everything's Exebuf mode
  which is Everythings Execute mode which has been dubbed Exebuf
  for legacy reasons when it replaced the actual Exebuf.
  
  Anyway, the Exebuf-mode does not allow me to execute scripts from
  local PATHs, even if I set them in E's own Env dialog.
 
 i put scripts in ~/s. i just went to e's environment config and
 explicitly set my PATH to include /home/raster/s (along with the
 usual suspects, and then some)... and in ervything i can no run my
 xephyr wrapper script no problems just by typing its name - no full
 path needed either. the PATH env is used. empty xephyr window pops up
 on screen. it works. at least for me.

Today I tried it again and it works. Even if I create new scripts in
~/bin. But I'm 100% sure it wasn't working! And I didn't recompile
until this time...

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[e-users] Exebuf problems

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Hello,

I've some problems to run some applications in Exebuf module placed in
~/bin folder. I put a script there and shell could run it from any
folder. But Exebuf couldn't run it. Even restart E17 didn't help.

Do you get same experience?

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Re: [e-users] First Terminology impressions

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:28:32 +0900 schrieb Daniel Juyung Seo:

  - resizing the terminal sometimes leads into bugs (e.g. with vim)
 
 Yes this always happens. Raster does not use vim.
 So we have to fix this.

IS someone working on this?

  - changing some settings (e.g. transparency) hangs Terminology (E17
restart needed to kill Terminology!)
 
 As far as I know this is a X bug.
 Go to composite settings - Advanced - sync - uncheck 'sync windows'
 Then everything will be fine :)

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Re: [e-users] First Terminology impressions

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Am Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:35:28 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz:

 Hi,
 
 I started replacing gnome-terminal by Terminology since some days.
 Here are some findings and problems. Maybe someone could give a
 comment:
 
 - Looks very good!
 - Annoying F10 menu bug in midnight commander isn't present :-)
 - In midnight commander no mouse wheel is working
 - if I switch mc with Alt-O then the commands in background are
 cleared
 - No terminal tab support :-(
 - resizing the terminal sometimes leads into bugs (e.g. with vim)
 - changing some settings (e.g. transparency) hangs Terminology (E17
   restart needed to kill Terminology!)
 

Another point:
- In mc Alt-Return doesn't copy current selection to input line
  - Workaround: Use Ctrl+Alt-Return and it works :-)

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Re: [e-users] First Terminology impressions

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Am Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:37:06 +0100 schrieb Mick:

 On Saturday 06 Oct 2012 09:32:20 Boris Faure wrote:
  On 12-10-06 09:52, Andreas Volz wrote:
   Am Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:28:32 +0900 schrieb Daniel Juyung Seo:
 - resizing the terminal sometimes leads into bugs (e.g. with
 vim)

Yes this always happens. Raster does not use vim.
So we have to fix this.
   
   IS someone working on this?
  
  I'll try to look into it today.
 
 Another thing is Shift+I or Shift+Insert does not paste - I have to
 middle click for it to work.  Can I change this somehow or is it hard
 coded? -- 

Ctrl-Shift-c and Ctrl-Shift-v also not working for copypaste.

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[e-users] First Terminology impressions

[Andreas Volz]

Hi,

I started replacing gnome-terminal by Terminology since some days. Here
are some findings and problems. Maybe someone could give a comment:

- Looks very good!
- Annoying F10 menu bug in midnight commander isn't present :-)
- In midnight commander no mouse wheel is working
- if I switch mc with Alt-O then the commands in background are cleared
- No terminal tab support :-(
- resizing the terminal sometimes leads into bugs (e.g. with vim)
- changing some settings (e.g. transparency) hangs Terminology (E17
  restart needed to kill Terminology!)

Please tell me if you need traces or more info to reproduce. I'll also
create tickets if you tell me.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Gtk / gnome-settings-daemon / Gnome3 ...

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Am Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:53:38 +1100 schrieb Daniel Kasak:

Please read this:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME#GTK3_theme_via_settings.ini

Andreas

 Hi all.
 
 Since my distro went to Gnome3  Gtk3 ... I haven't been able to get
 Gtk theming working under E17. I used to start gnome-settings-daemon
 by adding it to my ~/.e/e/applications/startup/.order
 
 This no longer works. I've also tried toggling E17's Settings == Apps
 == Desktop Environments == 'Start GNOME services on login'. This
 doesn't work either. I get the default Gtk2 / Gtk3 theme, which looks
 like arse.
 
 I can use a tool like lxappearance to set my ~/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
 and ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ... but this doesn't seem to work for Gtk3 apps ( it
 does for Gkt2 apps ), and also it's not in sync with what I've
 selected under Gnome3.
 
 Is there some trick to getting theming of Gtk2  Gtk3 apps working by
 using gnome-settings-daemon?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [e-users] Few questions on EFL comparing to other frameworks

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Am Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:53:50 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

  4. What is the status of the C++ binding?  Isn't recommended to use
  the ELF C API inside a C++ application, is it?  
 
 i'd generally say using the c api is the best way to use efl. of
 course it works inside c++. it just has a c api. that's all. c++
 bindings give you a c+ +-like oo api to efl, but be aware they they
 will sometimes be incomplete and not support some features the c api
 has.

I'm developing the C++ API (EFLxx). It's like raster said. It's really
usable for most EFL libraries. I use them everyday since some years,
but the API is still not frozen and not all functions are wrapped. It's
no problem for me, because if I need a new feature in my applications I
just enhance the API. :-)

But if you just like to concentrate on your application and never touch
the library, then go with C API for now. The C API is really good and
stable. But it's your decision!

http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/EFLxx

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Re: [e-users] gksudo replacement?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:11:32 +0100 schrieb Thomas Gstädtner:

 On Do 10 Nov 2011 23:01:10 CET, Andreas Volz wrote:
  Hello,
 
  is there a EFL based gksudo replacement?
 
  regards
  Andreas
 
 
 I haven't tried it in a while, but I guess it still works: empower. 
 it's in svn.

Thanks. I tried it and it seems to work.

I was long happy with gksudo, but since I recompiled latest E17 the
gksudo screen fade in/out animation was not longer working. It was only
a 1-frame blank animation. But empower is nice. :-)

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[e-users] gksudo replacement?

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Hello,

is there a EFL based gksudo replacement?

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[e-users] Gnome iconbar configuration?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

in the past my gtk/gnome applications had an icon bar with small icons
without text. Now they've text and I don't know how to change it with
E17.

Could you help me? This is very annoying e.g. with using Anjuta.

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Re: [e-users] Gnome iconbar configuration?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 05 Nov 2011 13:42:47 +0200 schrieb fancris3:

Thanks this is working. But I consider this a ugly workaround. :-(

I've been configuring this with a GUI since years. And all the other
settings I've configured in the past with a Gtk GUI?

So simple question is: Why? :-)

regards
Andreas

 try to add: gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_ICONS in ~/.gtkrc-2.0
 
 On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 12:27:28 +0200, Andreas Volz
 li...@brachttal.net wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  in the past my gtk/gnome applications had an icon bar with small
  icons without text. Now they've text and I don't know how to change
  it with E17.
 
  Could you help me? This is very annoying e.g. with using Anjuta.
 
  regards
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Re: [e-users] gnome-settings-daemon not working

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Am Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:31:14 +0100 schrieb hannes.janet...@gmail.com:

 On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Andreas Volz li...@brachttal.net
 wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  I updated yesterday to recent E17 and now I couldn't get Gnome
  (theme) Support working.
 
  gnome-settings-daemon
  ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Failed to acquire
  org.gnome.SettingsDaemon
 
  ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Could not acquire name
 
  I found the new setting Start GNOME services on login, but it
  doesn't change anything.
 
  Any ideas how to get Gnome (theme) support back to E17?
 
 Theres is now gnome theme support within e17 under look-applications.
 there you can also disable e's xsettings support if you need to use
 gsd for other reasons. Gtk font can be change with look-fonts by
 changing 'Applications' font class. I have to come up with a solution
 for these conflicting options though..

Ok, thanks. This is working. For some reason not all themes are working
and I had to disable try to match E17 theme. But I hope this will
improve...

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[e-users] gnome-settings-daemon not working

[Andreas Volz]

Hello all,

I updated yesterday to recent E17 and now I couldn't get Gnome (theme)
Support working.

 gnome-settings-daemon
** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Failed to acquire
org.gnome.SettingsDaemon

** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Could not acquire name

I found the new setting Start GNOME services on login, but it doesn't
change anything.

Any ideas how to get Gnome (theme) support back to E17?

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Re: [e-users] E on a Tablet PC

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Am Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:14:28 -0500 schrieb Jeff Hoogland:

 I hope some day we can see computers that come preinstalled with an E
 desktop someday. For now though... My tablet PC powered by
 Enlightenment! :D
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgE6gkb2EE

Dieses Video enthält Content von Sony Music Entertainment und UMG. Es
ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar. Das tut uns leid.

...not working in germany :-(

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Re: [e-users] pulseaudio mixer module

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Am Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:03:25 -0600 schrieb C Anthony Risinger:

 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:52 PM, rob r...@rektau.ukfsn.org wrote:
 
  is there a pulseaudio based mixer module in E17? It seems the
  default one is only able to work with ALSA.
 
  Don't think so, This is Good. :)
 
 ?
 
 pulseaudio has been solid for some time now.  it does interesting
 things that alsa-lib will never do; i use it everyday without probs
 anyway... but i have to use the gtk2 interface :-(

I've also no problems with it on Ubuntu 10.04. I couldn't believe how
not supporting something is called good. Do you really think it's
bad to have a pulseaudio module?

The only problem with pulseaudio I found on my brothers old system was
that for CPU performance optimization while playing videos I
downgraded to ALSA. But anyhow I had to use mplayer instead of totem
because of performance. So there're more problems in this default
Ubuntu multimedia chain on low systems. But who interests for a 1,5 Ghz
system with 512 MB RAM as recent multimedia desktop. Here you've to make
some hand optimisation.  :-)

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[e-users] pulseaudio mixer module

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Hello,

is there a pulseaudio based mixer module in E17? It seems the default
one is only able to work with ALSA.

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Re: [e-users] next easy_e17.sh issue

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Am Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:29:22 -0500 schrieb Geoffrey Myers:

 tony oliveri wrote:
  2011/1/4 Geoffrey Myers li...@serioustechnology.com
  
  I get this:
 
  Running aclocal...
  configure.ac:193: error: AC_LANG: unknown language: Objective C
  autoconf/lang.m4:123: _AC_LANG_SET is expanded from...
  autoconf/lang.m4:141: AC_LANG_PUSH is expanded from...
  autoconf/general.m4:1799: AC_CACHE_VAL is expanded from...
  autoconf/general.m4:1808: AC_CACHE_CHECK is expanded from...
  configure.ac:32: rw_PROG_OBJC_WORKS is expanded from...
  configure.ac:193: the top level
  autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
  aclocal: autom4te failed with exit status: 1
 
  So I'm thinking I need the Objective C gcc plugin.  Install it, but
  still get the same error.  Anyone?
 
 
  --
  Until later, Geoffrey
 
  
  
  Hi Geoffrey,
  try another version of autoconf package (it's just an attempt), if
  you can. Or try to install gobjc (the GNU *compiler* for Objective
  C). Good luck :)
 
 I've got gcc-objc installed.  Any suggestion on which version of 
 autoconf I might try?

I've installed those:

 autoconf
autoconf  autoconf2.13  autoconf2.50  
 autoconf --version
Autoconf version 2.13
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Autoconf 2.13 chosen by Debian wrapper script.
For information and tuning advice see autoconf(1)

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Re: [e-users] Themeing Taskbar Module

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Am Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:42:49 -0600 schrieb Jeff Hoogland:

 Howdy all,
 
 I was wondering how one would go about themeing the taskbar module.
 I'd like to change the colors from active/inactive applications to
 something other than white+black

I've created a taskbar theme here with only icons and no text. This
looks good for small vertical shelves. I've not yet uploaded it
somewhere. If you need this...

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Re: [e-users] E17 freezing (Deadlock)

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Am Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:09:19 +0200 schrieb Cédric Tabin:

 Hello guys,
 
 Since a few days I have some unpredictable problems with e17 on my
 gentoo : the desktop freezes very weirdly. I can move the mouse, and
 the terminal/application having the focus still receives keyboard
 input, but I cannot change desktop or focus another application.

I only like to tell you that I experience the same problem on my Ubuntu
10.04 system. It's really annoying and I see it around once in two
days. My idea was about an X bug, but if people think it's a kernel
problem it's also logic. I didn't report it, because I didn't expect an
E bug.

But I found out that if I have a terminal open and it has focus I could
exec enlightenment_remote -restart and it works again without killing
X. Maybe also a restart keybinding could work. But I didn't try it.

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Re: [e-users] gkrellm positioning

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Am Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:54:23 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz:

 Am Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:31:34 +0100 schrieb Mick:
 
  On Thursday 08 July 2010 22:52:23 Andreas Volz wrote:
   Am Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:38:14 -0400 schrieb Christopher Michael:
On 07/06/2010 05:35 PM, Mick wrote:
 On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:24:30 you wrote:
 On 07/06/2010 05:13 PM, Mick wrote:
 On Tuesday 06 July 2010 21:07:10 Andreas Volz wrote:
 Am Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:49:16 +0100 schrieb Mick:
 
 Hello Mick,
 
 This solves the problem of the gkrellm, in that it allows
 it to rest at the bottom of the right hand corner of the
 screen, but at the same time when I maximise a window it
 also stretches to the bottom of the screen, behind the
 bottom shelf.  This is undesireable for me because a)the
 shelf covers the bottom end of the window which some
 applications are using for status info and b)the desktop
 on either side of the shelf is no longer available for
 launching the menu.
 
 What's about the option below windows in the shelf
 settings? Here is solves your use case.
 
 Thank you Andreas,
 
 I am afraid it does not solve my case.  The below windows
 setting allows maximised windows to overlap the shelf and
 hide it, while I want them not to do so.  Please have a
 look at the screenshot below, the email window rests above
 the shelf, while gkrellm is at the bottom right hand side
 of the screen. This is how the previous version I had
 installed worked. This is also how the 'slit' in Fluxbox
 works and in its default settings neither dockapps in the
 slit, not the shelf/toolbar get overlapped by application
 windows.  The screenshot shows what I mean.
 
 http://yfrog.com/5montopofshelfp
 
 I added two new configuration options in the window
 geometry settings. See the commit it should explain it.
 But it's easy to understand from the option text.
 
 Please test if this solves all your use cases or if still a
 problem exists.
 
 The SVN commit number for this change is 50083.
 
 This may help for the gkrellm problem. At least that
 gkrellm moves up on repaint. Maybe it doesn't solve the
 initial position problem. Could you please test it again
 with the new options and report the result here?
 
 I would, but I don't know how to install what you have
 commited using my Gentoo OS and layman.  It reports a
 different revision:
 
 * Running command /usr/bin/svn up /var/lib/layman/efl...
 At revision 50085.
 
 (sorry but my knowledge of layman is limited).
 
 I think the biggest issue here is that the new(est) code for
 layout does not account for shelves which do not take up the
 whole region. What I mean by this is simply this (example):
 
 Shelves which are placed on the bottom (or any position for
 that matter), are assumed to take up the whole width/height
 of the zone (in the new code). The old(er) code accounted
 for the possibility that shelves are not taking up all that
 space (ie: the shelf is set to 'shrink w/ content').
 
 So what we see happening here is the new layout code assumes
 the shelf takes up the whole width of the zone/screen, so it
 places gkrellm not at the bottom right (where it should be),
 but rather placing it as if the shelf takes up the whole zone
 width.
 
 
 It's my 'theory' that the new placement code needs to account
 for shelves which do not take up all the available space
 just a theory mind you :) as I don't know all that code real
 well. This would not require any new config variables or
 anything ... just some changes in the layout code to account
 for shelves which are not taking up all the space.
 
 I apologize if this does not make any sense ... difficult to
 articulate what I mean :)
 
 Yes, exactly what you say makes perfect sense to me and
 perfectly describes my observation!  I have a wide screen
 laptop and the shelf both horizontally or vertically does not
 cover the whole desktop width/height.  On a smaller
 screen/resolution it would probably cover the whole width so
 this issue would not be noticed.

Exactly ! (I experience the same problem here)

I think it's just a small over-sight wrt shelf size. Should not
be too big of a deal to change, but again, I don't know that
code all that well.
   
   It's hard to fill your wishes. I'll explain you why:
   
   The _e_zone_useful_geometry_calc() in e_zone.c calculates the
   useful space on the screen for windows. This includes moving after
   configure events or maximizing windows. So you like two things
   that work against. One one side you like to let the window move
   algorithm not respect the partly shelf as useful geometry. On the
   other side the maximizing

Re: [e-users] [RFC] Internationalisation support in Edje

[Andreas Volz]

Am Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:57:49 +0200 schrieb Cedric BAIL:

 Hi folks,
 
I have been spending some time thinking about internationalization
 for edje file lattely with a few people around. So here are a
 technical proposal that I can implement at the end of Edje file format
 rewrite. As it will touch every one, I did include more than just dev
 mailing-list.
 
First to put some background around this proposal. We want to push
 more the use of Edje for application layout (thanks to the always
 improving Elementary external support). This mean that a lot of string
 end up inside the Edje file. And they will depend on the Edje file
 content. So it's not really acceptable to set the text from outside of
 Edje. We want to distribute themes with their translation easily, we
 have one efficient file to distribute, eet, and it should stay that
 way.
Gettext is huge, but it lack the possibility to use pointer to
 memory as a possible dictionnary, so we can't easily use it with eet
 file. But their is a lot of tools around gettext to manipulate .pot
 and .po files. So we need to follow gettext file format or it will
 make translator life a bit to hard.
Some language would need to completly change the edje layout, look
 at GNOME Arabic support to see what I mean. They basically move widget
 around. This would require to localize group inside edje and add a lot
 of code around that. I don't want to support that kind of use case.
 It's highly specific, and people that want to do so, should support it
 in their apps.
From this, I want to only support text, but not with gettext help
 still by using its pot and po files.
 
So here we go, I want to add to edje_cc scanner the detection of
 this kind of syntax: _(TEXT_ID) in every exposed string to the user.
 Maybe, I should be able to add another stage before CPP, that would
 move /// comments to another form, so that they are still available
 when doing the parsing and could be added during .pot generation. In
 the case of _(TEXT_ID), edje_cc will store a NULL in the string
 pointer and a new index (int) will be added to all structure in Edje
 that need it. After the parsing stage, I will generate a mapping from
 ID to unique number, that may take into account a preexisting mapping
 description file (this should prevent the loss of translation where
 commented part would have been removed from the resulting mapping, so
 preserving all already existing translation). When this mapping is
 done, all int inside Edje structure will be update correctly, and the
 mapping will be saved inside an eet section
 (edje/localization/mapping).
Edje will also not generate any file if the target exist and does
 have a localized content, if you don't provide a specific command line
 argument.
Translation will just be stored as an array of string where NULL
 mean no translation.
Edje_calc will check if a string is NULL and mapping index  0, if
 so it will load the right array of string and just jump at the right
 index. If their is no translation, it will fallback to a default
 language in that case
 
A few new tools:
 - edje_xgettext will generate the .pot file from the Edje mapping
 information.
 - edje_msgfmt will insert a .po inside an existing Edje in a Eet
 section (edje/localization/en_us) as a array of string (not
 translated string will be NULL). It should show the percent of
 translated string and do some check if the translation already exist
 (like overridding existing content and stuff like that).
 - edje_msgunfmt will extract a .po from an Edje file.
 - edje_locale will display statistic of all translation of an Edje
 file.
 - edje_locale_default will alias a translation as Eet section
 (edje/localization/default) that will be used by edje_calc.
 
 And that's all ! What's your opinion ?

Nice idea!

Will this break all existing Edj files? Or is this change binary
backwards compatible?

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Re: [e-users] gkrellm positioning

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Am Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:31:34 +0100 schrieb Mick:

 On Thursday 08 July 2010 22:52:23 Andreas Volz wrote:
  Am Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:38:14 -0400 schrieb Christopher Michael:
   On 07/06/2010 05:35 PM, Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:24:30 you wrote:
On 07/06/2010 05:13 PM, Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 21:07:10 Andreas Volz wrote:
Am Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:49:16 +0100 schrieb Mick:

Hello Mick,

This solves the problem of the gkrellm, in that it allows
it to rest at the bottom of the right hand corner of the
screen, but at the same time when I maximise a window it
also stretches to the bottom of the screen, behind the
bottom shelf.  This is undesireable for me because a)the
shelf covers the bottom end of the window which some
applications are using for status info and b)the desktop on
either side of the shelf is no longer available for
launching the menu.

What's about the option below windows in the shelf
settings? Here is solves your use case.

Thank you Andreas,

I am afraid it does not solve my case.  The below windows
setting allows maximised windows to overlap the shelf and hide
it, while I want them not to do so.  Please have a look at the
screenshot below, the email window rests above the shelf,
while gkrellm is at the bottom right hand side of the screen.
This is how the previous version I had installed worked.
This is also how the 'slit' in Fluxbox works and in its
default settings neither dockapps in the slit, not the
shelf/toolbar get overlapped by application windows.  The
screenshot shows what I mean.

http://yfrog.com/5montopofshelfp

I added two new configuration options in the window geometry
settings. See the commit it should explain it. But it's easy
to understand from the option text.

Please test if this solves all your use cases or if still a
problem exists.

The SVN commit number for this change is 50083.

This may help for the gkrellm problem. At least that gkrellm
moves up on repaint. Maybe it doesn't solve the initial
position problem. Could you please test it again with the
new options and report the result here?

I would, but I don't know how to install what you have
commited using my Gentoo OS and layman.  It reports a
different revision:

* Running command /usr/bin/svn up /var/lib/layman/efl...
At revision 50085.

(sorry but my knowledge of layman is limited).

I think the biggest issue here is that the new(est) code for
layout does not account for shelves which do not take up the
whole region. What I mean by this is simply this (example):

Shelves which are placed on the bottom (or any position for
that matter), are assumed to take up the whole width/height of
the zone (in the new code). The old(er) code accounted for the
possibility that shelves are not taking up all that space (ie:
the shelf is set to 'shrink w/ content').

So what we see happening here is the new layout code assumes
the shelf takes up the whole width of the zone/screen, so it
places gkrellm not at the bottom right (where it should be),
but rather placing it as if the shelf takes up the whole zone
width.


It's my 'theory' that the new placement code needs to account
for shelves which do not take up all the available space
just a theory mind you :) as I don't know all that code real
well. This would not require any new config variables or
anything ... just some changes in the layout code to account
for shelves which are not taking up all the space.

I apologize if this does not make any sense ... difficult to
articulate what I mean :)

Yes, exactly what you say makes perfect sense to me and
perfectly describes my observation!  I have a wide screen
laptop and the shelf both horizontally or vertically does not
cover the whole desktop width/height.  On a smaller
screen/resolution it would probably cover the whole width so
this issue would not be noticed.
   
   Exactly ! (I experience the same problem here)
   
   I think it's just a small over-sight wrt shelf size. Should not be
   too big of a deal to change, but again, I don't know that code all
   that well.
  
  It's hard to fill your wishes. I'll explain you why:
  
  The _e_zone_useful_geometry_calc() in e_zone.c calculates the useful
  space on the screen for windows. This includes moving after
  configure events or maximizing windows. So you like two things that
  work against. One one side you like to let the window move algorithm
  not respect the partly shelf as useful geometry. On the other side
  the maximizing algorithm should detect partly shelfes as not useful
  geometry. And this all with only one overlap option.
  
  So I think one solution would be to add another overlay

Re: [e-users] gkrellm positioning

[Andreas Volz]

Am Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:38:14 -0400 schrieb Christopher Michael:

 On 07/06/2010 05:35 PM, Mick wrote:
  On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:24:30 you wrote:
  On 07/06/2010 05:13 PM, Mick wrote:
  On Tuesday 06 July 2010 21:07:10 Andreas Volz wrote:
  Am Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:49:16 +0100 schrieb Mick:
 
  Hello Mick,
 
  This solves the problem of the gkrellm, in that it allows it to
  rest at the bottom of the right hand corner of the screen, but
  at the same time when I maximise a window it also stretches to
  the bottom of the screen, behind the bottom shelf.  This is
  undesireable for me because a)the shelf covers the bottom end
  of the window which some applications are using for status info
  and b)the desktop on either side of the shelf is no longer
  available for launching the menu.
 
  What's about the option below windows in the shelf settings?
  Here is solves your use case.
 
  Thank you Andreas,
 
  I am afraid it does not solve my case.  The below windows
  setting allows maximised windows to overlap the shelf and hide
  it, while I want them not to do so.  Please have a look at the
  screenshot below, the email window rests above the shelf, while
  gkrellm is at the bottom right hand side of the screen. This is
  how the previous version I had installed worked.  This is also
  how the 'slit' in Fluxbox works and in its default settings
  neither dockapps in the slit, not the shelf/toolbar get
  overlapped by application windows.  The screenshot shows what I
  mean.
 
  http://yfrog.com/5montopofshelfp
 
  I added two new configuration options in the window geometry
  settings. See the commit it should explain it. But it's easy to
  understand from the option text.
 
  Please test if this solves all your use cases or if still a
  problem exists.
 
  The SVN commit number for this change is 50083.
 
  This may help for the gkrellm problem. At least that gkrellm
  moves up on repaint. Maybe it doesn't solve the initial position
  problem. Could you please test it again with the new options and
  report the result here?
 
  I would, but I don't know how to install what you have commited
  using my Gentoo OS and layman.  It reports a different revision:
 
  * Running command /usr/bin/svn up /var/lib/layman/efl...
  At revision 50085.
 
  (sorry but my knowledge of layman is limited).
 
  I think the biggest issue here is that the new(est) code for
  layout does not account for shelves which do not take up the whole
  region. What I mean by this is simply this (example):
 
  Shelves which are placed on the bottom (or any position for that
  matter), are assumed to take up the whole width/height of the zone
  (in the new code). The old(er) code accounted for the possibility
  that shelves are not taking up all that space (ie: the shelf is
  set to 'shrink w/ content').
 
  So what we see happening here is the new layout code assumes the
  shelf takes up the whole width of the zone/screen, so it places
  gkrellm not at the bottom right (where it should be), but rather
  placing it as if the shelf takes up the whole zone width.
 
 
  It's my 'theory' that the new placement code needs to account for
  shelves which do not take up all the available space just a
  theory mind you :) as I don't know all that code real well. This
  would not require any new config variables or anything ... just
  some changes in the layout code to account for shelves which are
  not taking up all the space.
 
  I apologize if this does not make any sense ... difficult to
  articulate what I mean :)
 
  Yes, exactly what you say makes perfect sense to me and perfectly
  describes my observation!  I have a wide screen laptop and the
  shelf both horizontally or vertically does not cover the whole
  desktop width/height.  On a smaller screen/resolution it would
  probably cover the whole width so this issue would not be noticed.
 
 Exactly ! (I experience the same problem here)
 
 I think it's just a small over-sight wrt shelf size. Should not be
 too big of a deal to change, but again, I don't know that code all
 that well.

It's hard to fill your wishes. I'll explain you why:

The _e_zone_useful_geometry_calc() in e_zone.c calculates the useful
space on the screen for windows. This includes moving after
configure events or maximizing windows. So you like two things that
work against. One one side you like to let the window move algorithm
not respect the partly shelf as useful geometry. On the other side the
maximizing algorithm should detect partly shelfes as not useful
geometry. And this all with only one overlap option.

So I think one solution would be to add another overlay for maximize
option for shelf config or I hardcode that
_e_zone_useful_geometry_calc() reacts in different ways depending on
the desired action (move, maximize, ...)

I've not yet decided. I'll try out and propose an implementation.
Please tell me your opinion.

regards
Andreas

Re: [e-users] gkrellm positioning

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:49:16 +0100 schrieb Mick:

Hello Mick,

 This solves the problem of the gkrellm, in that it allows it to rest
 at the bottom of the right hand corner of the screen, but at the same
 time when I maximise a window it also stretches to the bottom of the
 screen, behind the bottom shelf.  This is undesireable for me because
 a)the shelf covers the bottom end of the window which some
 applications are using for status info and b)the desktop on either
 side of the shelf is no longer available for launching the menu.

What's about the option below windows in the shelf settings? Here is
solves your use case.

 The previous version I had installed did not need this setting to
 allow the gkrellm to be positioned at the bottom of the screen -
 which is really what I was after.

I added two new configuration options in the window geometry settings.
See the commit it should explain it. But it's easy to understand from
the option text.

Please test if this solves all your use cases or if still a problem
exists.

The SVN commit number for this change is 50083.

This may help for the gkrellm problem. At least that gkrellm moves up
on repaint. Maybe it doesn't solve the initial position problem. Could
you please test it again with the new options and report the result
here?

regards
Andreas

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Re: [e-users] gkrellm positioning

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Am Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:35:10 +0100 schrieb Mick:

 Hi All,
 
 I updated E17 from the cvs two days ago and I noticed that gkrellm2
 which should be positioned at the bottom right corner of the screen,
 keeps being pushed up by the height of the bottom shelf.  The shelf
 does not occupy the whole width of the bottom of the screen, so I'm
 not sure what pushes gkrellm up with this version of E17 I've just
 installed.
 
 I have added gkrellm at the startup apps for some time now, but as I
 said this was fine until now.  I have tried setting up
 More/Remember/Name+Position, but it is still being pushed up.
 
 Any ideas?

Yes, I've an idea. I did some commits in e_zone.c and e_border.c do fix
some bugs in this area. I tested my use cases for around a week and it
worked. Nice. Maybe I missed your use case.

In trunk/TEST/app/e/e_place_test I implemented a little application
to fit my tested use cases. I would like to understand your use case
and how to correct handle it. Could you make a screenshot with some red
arrows what is the situation and how it should behave in your eyes? Or
a video if you like...

regards
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Re: [e-users] gkrellm positioning

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sun, 4 Jul 2010 17:15:11 +0100 schrieb Mick:

  Yes, I've an idea. I did some commits in e_zone.c and e_border.c do
  fix some bugs in this area. I tested my use cases for around a week
  and it worked. Nice. Maybe I missed your use case.
  
  In trunk/TEST/app/e/e_place_test I implemented a little
  application to fit my tested use cases. I would like to understand
  your use case and how to correct handle it. Could you make a
  screenshot with some red arrows what is the situation and how it
  should behave in your eyes? Or a video if you like...
 
 HiAndreas, where would you like me to upload the screenshots?
 
 The behaviour of gkrellm is akin to dragging one of the desktop icons
 (e.g. the home or temp directory icon) to the bottom of the screen.
 When you release your mouse the icon is pushed upwards until it
 clears the height of the shelf on the bottom of the screen.
 
 With gkrellm this does not happen instantaneously, so it gives the
 impression that you can manually drag and drop gkrellm below the
 region of the shelf. However, when the gkrellm window dimensions is
 redrawn; e.g. when the wireless gkrellm drops the connection and
 collapses or when it is reinstated and expands, then the gkrellm is
 pushed upwards until it clears the height of the shelf.

You could upload images here for free:

http://imageshack.us/

Could you please try to set the allow window overlap option in the
settings tab of the problematic shelf. The window placement algorithm
ignores overlap shelfes.

The replacement if windows with icccm request is needed as many apps
have to brain dead logic that they always show the most important parts
below shelfes or offscreen.

Please tell me if this solves your problem.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Combining edje and elementary

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Am Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:33:09 +0100 (CET) schrieb Nicole Vreden:

 Hello,
 ...
 The list is still drawn on top of the window, the positioning still
 doesn't work.
 I'd be glad to get any hints to resolve this issue.

Hello Nicole,

I tried the same but with the C++ binding. The results I had were the
same. It seems you couldn't position a Elm widget direct into a Edje
SWALLOW. All widgets need to be placed into a ElmBackground object to
get the correct position calculation. This was at least my experience.

So if you place a ElmBackground into the SWALLOW and then a ElmWidget
then it may work. But I assume this isn't what you like to do. :-(

I assume you like to position your Elm layout with Editje or
Edje_Editor? There was some speech about EXTERNAL edje types in the
past. But I'm not sure about the status. Maybe someone else could
answer it?

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Re: [e-users] moving E modules to OLD/BROKEN

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Am Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) schrieb P Purkayastha:

I use also taskbar, screenshot, calendar and places module. They are
stable for me. Please don't move them to OLD.

regards
Andreas

 
 I use the following from EXTRA and have found them to be stable:
   cpu forecasts mem net tclock
 
 I also use the following and have found them to be usually/mostly
 stable: tiling, drawer
 
Regards.
 
 At 3:27pm, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
 
  Hi people,
 
  Just like we did for regular libraries and applications, we'll do it
  for E-MOULES-EXTRA. I see lots of complaints[1] of e stability and
  most are related to these modules, most of them unsupported. Please
  discuss which should stay and feel free to point more to be moved.
  If you have a module you're working on and think it should not be
  moved and it's ready, consider taking the actions to move it to
  e/src/modules as we did with mixer and systray.
 
  As I don't use many extra modules, I'll let you users and developers
  to step and say which is doing bad and good. If you let the it
  undecided I'll move ALL but a few like (keep/white list):
  * efm_* (should move to e/src/modules one day)
  * drawer (under dev)
  * flame/rain/snow/penguins (harmless)
  * notification (I plan to move to e/src/modules)
  * places (dave should move to e/src/modules)
 
  I'm not sure about system monitors (cpu, diskio, execwatch, ...),
  network modules (weather, forecasts, mail, ..),
  screenshot/photo/slideshow and others, so please say if you use
  them, if they work, if you maintain it, if you're willing to
  maintain it, etc.
 
  For those with replicas, please consider merging them or dropping
  one.
 
  Regards,
 
 
  [1] http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/E17BinaryPackages/sda_notes
 
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[e-users] New Trac Wiki

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

as I found out now there's a new wiki:

http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki

to replace the old one:

http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Main_Page

It doesn't worth to discuss about that change, because it seems the
decision has yet took place...

The only thing that I now could do is to please all people helping to
migrate the useful information from the old wiki to the new wiki.

I started with some articles and marked them as old.

As you could see I marked them with:

'''This page has moved to [new trac wiki URL]. Don't do any more edits
here!'''

Then I removed the group tag and if available the link from the refering
page.

There are still some contents on get-e.org that I've linked as
reference. Not sure if they're still usable. I think it's a little out
dated and could only be used very selective.

Now please go on and move your pages from the old to the new wiki. I'll
do so from time to time when I like to edit something.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Elementary (Topic changed)

[Andreas Volz]

Am Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:17:20 +1000 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:27:14 +0200 Andreas Volz li...@brachttal.net
 said:
 
  Am Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:59:39 +0200 schrieb Vincent Pomageot:
  
  Looks nice! I'll try it next week. For my embedded application I use
  a minimal self written widget toolkit on top of eflmm, but I really
  need to put more work into it...
  
  Maybe I'll start a eflmm wrapper for Elementary. Any ideas how
  stable the API currently is?
 
 very stable api.

Ok, so I may start to write a C++ wrapper. :-)

Another question:

Is Elementary meant to replace the internal E widgets in the long term?
This would save the need to maintain two widgets sets and also ease the
theme creating.

  I decided against ETK or EWL because they were not fitting for me.
  Several reasons...
  
  My application has no mouse or touchscreen input. I control it with
  a external joypad device. So my widgets are optimized to be
  controlled from a joystick dispatcher. So all widgets needs to be
  fully controlled with the public API and not only by mouse or
  keyboard. Is this possible with Elementary?
 
 as a matter of fact.. no. not currently. elementary currently is
 entirely designed around touchscreen input. maybe in future it will
 gain control from keypads/keyboard focus etc. etc. but right now its
 pretty much touchscreen.

Ok, I'll test if it fits for my purposes.

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Re: [e-users] Elementary (Topic changed)

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Am Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:56:13 -0500 schrieb Nathan Ingersoll:

 On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Andreas Volz li...@brachttal.net
 wrote:
  Am Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:59:39 +0200 schrieb Vincent Pomageot:
 
  Looks nice! I'll try it next week. For my embedded application I use
  a minimal self written widget toolkit on top of eflmm, but I really
  need to put more work into it...
 
  Maybe I'll start a eflmm wrapper for Elementary. Any ideas how
  stable the API currently is?
 
  I decided against ETK or EWL because they were not fitting for me.
  Several reasons...
 
  My application has no mouse or touchscreen input. I control it with
  a external joypad device. So my widgets are optimized to be
  controlled from a joystick dispatcher. So all widgets needs to be
  fully controlled with the public API and not only by mouse or
  keyboard. Is this possible with Elementary?
 
 It may not cover your other reasons you chose not to use it, but EWL
 is completely controllable via it's API.

It would fit, but it has no composite support (latest time I
looked in the source). :-(

Andreas

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Re: [e-users] Elementary (Topic changed)

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Am Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:59:39 +0200 schrieb Vincent Pomageot:

Looks nice! I'll try it next week. For my embedded application I use
a minimal self written widget toolkit on top of eflmm, but I really
need to put more work into it...

Maybe I'll start a eflmm wrapper for Elementary. Any ideas how stable
the API currently is?

I decided against ETK or EWL because they were not fitting for me.
Several reasons...

My application has no mouse or touchscreen input. I control it with a
external joypad device. So my widgets are optimized to be controlled
from a joystick dispatcher. So all widgets needs to be fully controlled
with the public API and not only by mouse or keyboard. Is this possible
with Elementary?

regards
Andreas

 Hi,
 
 Elementary is a new widget set, still in the TMP folder of the svn:
 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary
 
 Regards,
 
 Vincent
 
 2009/4/10 Andreas Volz li...@brachttal.net
 
  Hello,
 
  what is currently the preferred NetworkManager GUI for WLAN (WPA2)
  configuration? There is Exalt is CVS, but I think I've found another
  one before. But maybe I'm wrong...
 
  I tried to configure exalt and get:
 
  checking for EXALT... configure: error: Package requirements (
   ecore = 0.9.9.037,
   eet = 0.9.9.038,
   ecore-file = 0.9.9,
   ehal = 0.1.0.002,
   edbus = 0.1.0.002,
   dbus-1 = 0.1,
   evas = 0.9
   elementary = 0.1
  ) were not met:
 
  No package 'elementary' found
 
  What is 'emementary'?
 
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[e-users] Enlightenment NetworkManager?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

what is currently the preferred NetworkManager GUI for WLAN (WPA2)
configuration? There is Exalt is CVS, but I think I've found another
one before. But maybe I'm wrong...

I tried to configure exalt and get:

checking for EXALT... configure: error: Package requirements (
  ecore = 0.9.9.037,
  eet = 0.9.9.038,
  ecore-file = 0.9.9,
  ehal = 0.1.0.002,
  edbus = 0.1.0.002,
  dbus-1 = 0.1,
  evas = 0.9
  elementary = 0.1
) were not met:

No package 'elementary' found

What is 'emementary'?

regards
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[e-users] Video2Edje

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

I had the idea that it would be possible to write a script that
converts a video to images and then generate edc source and compile a
pure Edje based video.

Not sure if this is useful, but it should be possible. Has anyone yet
tried something like this?

regards
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[e-users] Graphical process manager?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

is there a graphical process manager created with the EFL?

regards
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Re: [e-users] Size of opening windows

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Am Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:39:03 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz:

 Hello,
 
 I've a problems with E17 and some applications.
 
 Precondition:
 - only one bottom shelf
 - windows couldn't overlap the shelf
 - Policy: Smart placement
 
 Action:
 - e.g. start Firefox
 
 Result:
 The main window opens a little to big. The bottom of the window frame
 is below the shelf. Then I lower the window size to around the half of
 the screen. (I've to use the ALT modifier, because E17 default theme
 could only resize at the bottom.) Then I maximize the window. As
 result the window is again bigger and stays below the shelf. SO I
 repeat the resizing and maximize it again. And now the window has the
 correct size.
 
 This is 100% possible to reproduce. It's really bugging. Any ideas why
 this happens?

Is nobody with internal knowledge of the code able to reproduce this
problem?

Should I file a bug to trac (or bugzilla?)?

It seems if nobody is able to reproduce it I've to fix it on my own.
Probably I need more time as a experienced E17 developer. Could someone
please help me and tell which function I should set the breakpoint, in a
debugger session, to get the information about new calculated size of
the window after clicking on 'maximize'. I assume the size is somehow
wrong calculated.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Size of opening windows

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Am Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:52:23 +1000 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:46:12 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Am Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:55:52 +1000 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
  Rasterman):
  
   On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:39:03 +0200 Andreas Volz
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
   
Hello,

I've a problems with E17 and some applications.

Precondition:
- only one bottom shelf
- windows couldn't overlap the shelf
- Policy: Smart placement

Action:
- e.g. start Firefox

Result:
The main window opens a little to big. The bottom of the window
frame is below the shelf. Then I lower the window size to around
the half of the screen. (I've to use the ALT modifier, because
E17 default theme could only resize at the bottom.) Then I
maximize the window. As result the window is again bigger and
stays below the shelf. SO I repeat the resizing and maximize it
again. And now the window has the correct size.

This is 100% possible to reproduce. It's really bugging. Any
ideas why this happens?
   
   i just did exactly this... and it doesn't happen :( (firefox as
   well)
  
  Maybe you've another shelf of window placement policy? If nothing
  else helps I could provide you my packed $HOME/.e directory.
 
 shelf is above everything, windows not allowed to overlay, shink to
 content size, no auto-hide and show on all desktops.

Sounds like my settings. Here is my config directory:

http://tux-style.de/tmp/e_config.tar.gz

Maybe that helps to analyse the problem.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Size of opening windows

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Am Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:55:52 +1000 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:39:03 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Hello,
  
  I've a problems with E17 and some applications.
  
  Precondition:
  - only one bottom shelf
  - windows couldn't overlap the shelf
  - Policy: Smart placement
  
  Action:
  - e.g. start Firefox
  
  Result:
  The main window opens a little to big. The bottom of the window
  frame is below the shelf. Then I lower the window size to around
  the half of the screen. (I've to use the ALT modifier, because E17
  default theme could only resize at the bottom.) Then I maximize the
  window. As result the window is again bigger and stays below the
  shelf. SO I repeat the resizing and maximize it again. And now the
  window has the correct size.
  
  This is 100% possible to reproduce. It's really bugging. Any ideas
  why this happens?
 
 i just did exactly this... and it doesn't happen :( (firefox as well)

Maybe you've another shelf of window placement policy? If nothing else
helps I could provide you my packed $HOME/.e directory.

regards
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[e-users] Size of opening windows

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

I've a problems with E17 and some applications.

Precondition:
- only one bottom shelf
- windows couldn't overlap the shelf
- Policy: Smart placement

Action:
- e.g. start Firefox

Result:
The main window opens a little to big. The bottom of the window frame
is below the shelf. Then I lower the window size to around the half of
the screen. (I've to use the ALT modifier, because E17 default theme
could only resize at the bottom.) Then I maximize the window. As result
the window is again bigger and stays below the shelf. SO I repeat the
resizing and maximize it again. And now the window has the correct size.

This is 100% possible to reproduce. It's really bugging. Any ideas why
this happens?

regards
Andreas

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Re: [e-users] Nautilus computer:// not working?

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Am Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:43:02 -0500 schrieb Jorge Mariani:

 Thank you very much!
 I was with the same issue, and it's solved.
 
 A question: Do you replace enlightenment_start with  
 enlightenment_start_dbus in the .desktop file?

Yes, this is what I do.

regards
Andreas

 Cya!
 
 On Aug 25, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Andreas Volz wrote:
 
  Am Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:16:32 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz:
 
  Hello,
 
  I use Nautilus in E17 as file manager. But since some time the
  computer:// location isn't longer working. I started
  gnome-settings-daemon in my E17 session. But that doesn't help.
 
  If I start a full Gnome session it works without problems. So any
  ideas what else I need to start for that location?
 
  And I've not understand how to control in E17 what action should  
  start
  if I insert a new USB device.
 
  I got the answer in IRC #gnome:
 
  Create a wrapper start script enlightenment_start_dbus with that
  content:
 
  #!/bin/sh
 
  dbus-launch --exit-with-session enlightenment_start
 
  Then start this script instead of ç. Then Nautilus
  works again with all URI handlers.
 
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Re: [e-users] Nautilus computer:// not working?

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Am Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:16:32 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz:

 Hello,
 
 I use Nautilus in E17 as file manager. But since some time the
 computer:// location isn't longer working. I started
 gnome-settings-daemon in my E17 session. But that doesn't help.
 
 If I start a full Gnome session it works without problems. So any
 ideas what else I need to start for that location?
 
 And I've not understand how to control in E17 what action should start
 if I insert a new USB device.

I got the answer in IRC #gnome:

Create a wrapper start script enlightenment_start_dbus with that
content:

#!/bin/sh

dbus-launch --exit-with-session enlightenment_start

Then start this script instead of enlightenment_start. Then Nautilus
works again with all URI handlers.

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[e-users] Nautilus computer:// not working?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

I use Nautilus in E17 as file manager. But since some time the
computer:// location isn't longer working. I started
gnome-settings-daemon in my E17 session. But that doesn't help.

If I start a full Gnome session it works without problems. So any ideas
what else I need to start for that location?

And I've not understand how to control in E17 what action should start
if I insert a new USB device.

regards
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[e-users] Notification Box?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

any ideas how to get the notification box working? I add it to the
shelf and activate all urgencies, but there's never a box coming up.

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Re: [e-users] Notification Box?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:00:32 +0400 schrieb Fedor Gusev:

 On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:03:01PM +0200, Andreas Volz wrote:
  Hello,
  
  any ideas how to get the notification box working? I add it to the
  shelf and activate all urgencies, but there's never a box coming up.
 
 Even if you run
 notify-send test
 in terminal?

That works without problems. Hm, I've to find you why the application I
think of doesn't emit a notify signal.

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[e-users] Fullscreen mode for games?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

I notices a strange thing while playing fullscreen games like
frozen-bubble or supertux. After ~ 10 min the game goes from fullscreen
to window mode and focus is lost. Then ~ 5 seconds later the fullscreen
mode is restored. This is a very strange problem. First I thought it
may be the screensaver or screen lock. But I've both deactivated.

Any ideas what is going on here? I never experienced a similar problem
in Gnome. The only difference compared to fullscreen application is
that I don't use the mouse. Is there a logic in E17 that could produce
this problem?

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Re: [e-users] Fullscreen mode for games?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:17:25 +0200 (CEST) schrieb Dave Andreoli:

 - Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
   
  Hello,
  
  I notices a strange thing while playing fullscreen games like
  frozen-bubble or supertux. After ~ 10 min the game goes from
  fullscreen
  to window mode and focus is lost. Then ~ 5 seconds later the
  fullscreen
  mode is restored. This is a very strange problem. First I thought it
  may be the screensaver or screen lock. But I've both deactivated.
  
  Any ideas what is going on here? I never experienced a similar
  problem
  in Gnome. The only difference compared to fullscreen application is
  that I don't use the mouse. Is there a logic in E17 that could
  produce
  this problem?  

 The same here from a long time, dunno why :(
 Dave  

Now I noticed, that if I don't touch the system for some minutes the
screen blanks black. I didn't really pay attention to this before. But
it's not related to E17 as I deactivated xscreensaver and screen lock.

Maybe it's because I start gnome-settings-daemon. I'll try to reproduce
it without. Do you run gnome-settings-daemon too?

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Re: [e-users] The new Gadman module

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Am Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:35:16 -0500 schrieb MillTek:

 Hi,
 Will the new Gadman module ;
 
 link 
 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20080412144651.GA28014%40mx01
 
 be integrated into e??

What's the answer to that question? I like this new feature very much.
Or does the author maintain a patch for e17?

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Re: [e-users] Pb with vlc in fullscreen

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Am Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:50:01 +0200 schrieb giggz:

 Hi,
 
 I have just installed and tested vlc. ANd I have a big problem under
 e17. I can't set vlc in fullscreen. vlc is still running, I have the
 sound, but no video. Or I get the video in fullscreen, but I can't
 come back in the normal mode.
 
 Is this pb know ? ANd Is there a solution ?

http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Enlightenment

very at the bottom:

Bugs:

* when VLC goes full screen nothing happens, the main window stays
in place and the fullscreen window is invisible... Restart E and the
fullscreen window with the movie appears in the background this does
happens randomly with kmplayer / gmplayer but everytime with VLC 

So it seems that's known.

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Re: [e-users] annoying behavior of alt+tab

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Am Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:34:36 -0200 schrieb Matías Graña:

 hi!
 I'm using e17 in two Gentoo boxes. In one of them, when I press
 Alt+Tab to switch active window, the widget stays there even after I
 release Alt and Tab. I make it disappear by pressing Enter, but this
 is annoying. The strange thing is that I am compiling the same code
 in both boxes, both are latest cvs versions, and this only happens in
 one of them. Further, I wiped and compiled all E in the problematic
 box, just to see it happen again.
 
 What could cause this behavior?

I've seen this before, too. Not sure, but try the default theme. It may
happen because of an old theme.

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Re: [e-users] Problem with temperature module

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Am Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:11:15 +0100 schrieb Fabio Strozzi:

 Andreas Volz wrote:
  Am Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:31:14 +0100 schrieb Fabio Strozzi:
  
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
  
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  | On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:37:17 +0100 Fabio Strozzi
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] | babbled:
  |
  | no attachment :(
  
  Damn! SF filtered it!
  
  Try now or get it from there:
  https://fstrozzi.web.cs.unibo.it/temperature.patch
  
  I tested it as it came with the last cvs update. The temp module
  does still not work here with E17. :-(
  
  regards
  Andreas
  
 
 Hi Adreas,
could you tell me the output of this command?
 % ls /sys/bus/*/devices/*/temp?_input

Sure,

 ls /sys/bus/*/devices/*/temp?_input
/sys/bus/platform/devices/w83627hf.656/temp1_input
/sys/bus/platform/devices/w83627hf.656/temp2_input

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[e-users] Gnome applet in E17

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

is there an E17 module to hold a Gnome applet in it? I think this could
be technical possible. I only ask because the Ubuntu update-notifier is
currently the only reason not to use E17 on my Laptop.

Or has anyone started to write a frontend for the update-notifier. I
looked into the update-notifier code. It does very much depend on Gtk
and would be much work to rewrite for E17.

So perhaps it might be a good idea to have a E17 module that is able to
hold Gnome applets. But I'm not sure.

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Re: [e-users] Problem with temperature module

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:38:04 +0100 schrieb Fabio Strozzi:

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 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 | did temperature used to work at all in e?
 
 Yes, it workerd for long but stopped some months ago.
 
 | it could be a kernel change moved
 | the /sys/bus/. entries to a new location. the temp module doesnt
 know about
 | the pci devices for temp - thus its not supported. it would need
 code for that
 | to detect them and look for them/list them. as such temperature is a
 little
 | messy as it doesnt have a very nice abstracted api for this :)
 
 I'll try to fix the code of the temperature module in the next days.

May you give us a ping if it works again. I like to test and verify it
on my system. I don't compile E17 each day.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Problem with temperature module

[Andreas Volz]

Am Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:45:46 +1100 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:55:58 +0100 giggz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
 is tempget running? you can actually run it by hand 
 
 ${PREFIX}/enlightenment/modules/temperature/${ARCH}/tempget 0 -null-
 128
 
 first arg is sensor type:
 
 0   SENSOR_TYPE_NONE,
 1   SENSOR_TYPE_FREEBSD,
 2   SENSOR_TYPE_OMNIBOOK,
 3   SENSOR_TYPE_LINUX_MACMINI,
 4   SENSOR_TYPE_LINUX_I2C,
 5   SENSOR_TYPE_LINUX_ACPI,
 6   SENSOR_TYPE_LINUX_PBOOK,
 7   SENSOR_TYPE_LINUX_INTELCORETEMP
 
 2nd arg is sensor name (-null- is when no sensor name is
 set). /sys/bus/i2c/devices/ is scanned for sensor names here. the
 name is a path to the file
 in /sys/bus/i2c/devices/${DEV}/temp${}_input file - if it exists
 (i.e. a i2c temperature sensor).
 
 3rd arg is tick time between polls (8 ticks per second by default-
 can be changed, but isn't right now).
 
 it will output results to stdout.
 
 the default is 0 -null- for the first 2 args - the same as it has
 always been, in whihc case known sensors are scanned for in order of
 acpi thermal zone, monibook, other temp devices
 (devices/temperatures/*_temperature), platform temp input and finally
 i2c. see the code. if on bsd this is different.

Not sure if I executed it correct:

 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/temperature/linux-gnu-i686/tempget
0 -null- 8

ERROR

or

/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/temperature/linux-gnu-i686/tempget 0
null 8 

ERROR


Does this help?

regards
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Re: [e-users] Problem with temperature module

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Am Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:36:42 +1100 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:07:44 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Hello,
  
  since some time the temperature module isn't longer working on my
  system. I don't remember what I've changed. It simply shows N/A.
  In .xsession-errors is an entry:
  
  Sending TERM signal
  to /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/temperature/linux-gnu-i686/tempget
  0 (null) 128 (8067).
  
  
  Any ideas where I should start to search for the problem? Did I
  perhaps miss to start a system service?
 
 a week ago i committed changes to put the temperature polling/reading
 into a separate process - but this just moved the code there and
 should do exactly what it did before - it just has slaved out the
 work to a sub-proc to avoid blocking-reads of temp sensor data that
 seemed to make e jerky whenever the temperature was polled (e would
 pause for like 200ms or so whole waiting on the kernel to respond to
 the read). if it changed in the last week then i may have made a
 mistake - otherwise its likely something else. changed kernels?
 modules not loaded?

Maybe I changed a kernel version, but not a relevant jump. See the
output of sensors executed by the same user who started e17.

 sensors 
w83697hf-isa-0290
Adapter: ISA adapter
VCore: +1.52 V  (min =  +0.08 V, max =  +2.11 V)  
+3.3V: +3.34 V  (min =  +2.05 V, max =  +2.05 V)   ALARM  
+5V:   +4.95 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +0.00 V)   ALARM  
+12V: +11.55 V  (min =  +3.89 V, max =  +3.89 V)   ALARM  
-12V:  +0.72 V  (min =  -4.38 V, max = -14.75 V)   ALARM  
-5V:   +1.84 V  (min =  -0.48 V, max =  -7.11 V)   ALARM  
V5SB:  +5.48 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +0.97 V)   ALARM  
VBat:  +0.27 V  (min =  +0.10 V, max =  +0.64 V)  
fan1: 2149 RPM  (min =   -1 RPM, div = 4)  ALARM  
fan2:0 RPM  (min = 5273 RPM, div = 4)  ALARM  
temp1:   +42°C  (high =   +72°C, hyst =+8°C)   sensor =
diode temp2: +42.5°C  (high =  +120°C, hyst =  +120°C)   sensor =
diode alarms:   
beep_enable:
  Sound alarm enabled

So the kernel interface seems to work. Perhaps a problem with the API.
I know Gentoo is often bad with unresolved symbols. Perhaps I missed to
recompile a library.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Problem with temperature module

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Am Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:07:44 +0100 schrieb Andreas Volz:

 Hello,
 
 since some time the temperature module isn't longer working on my
 system. I don't remember what I've changed. It simply shows N/A.
 In .xsession-errors is an entry:
 
 Sending TERM signal
 to /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/temperature/linux-gnu-i686/tempget
 0 (null) 128 (8067).
 
 
 Any ideas where I should start to search for the problem? Did I
 perhaps miss to start a system service?

I found out that sensors on the terminal works well. Has anyone
successful running the temperature module with current CVS?

regards
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[e-users] Problem with temperature module

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

since some time the temperature module isn't longer working on my
system. I don't remember what I've changed. It simply shows N/A.
In .xsession-errors is an entry:

Sending TERM signal
to /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/temperature/linux-gnu-i686/tempget
0 (null) 128 (8067).


Any ideas where I should start to search for the problem? Did I perhaps
miss to start a system service?

regards
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Re: [e-users] shelves and modules

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Am Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:40:14 +0300 schrieb Fotis Skarmoutsos:

 how do you find shelves that added in recent cvs? i think e17 is
 better without shelves. why do we have to group the modules with a
 shelf? it is much easier to have the modules placed wherever you want
 on the desktop. there are also some restrictions  while resizing  a
 gadget  in the shelf. Is there any other way to have the modules
 loaded and enabled?

Hi,

I had a similar question some time ago. Search for 'Place modules on
desktop' in the developer list archive. The answer wasn't very
promising. :-(

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[e-users] E17 Gnome compatibility

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Hello,

 Enlightenment CVS committal
 
 Author  : raster
 Project : e17
 Module  : apps/e
 
 Dir : e17/apps/e/src/modules/wizard
 ...
 + *(current e defaults, windows-style or mac-style?).
 + * o  ask for what default wallpaper to use.
 + * o  ask if the user wants gnome or kde support
 + *(for gnome run gnome-settings-daemon, unknown for kde).

I run E17, but use many Gnome and Gtk applications. So I'm still
searching for the best Gnome compatibility. Here are my experiences:

o Use a .gtkrc-2.0:

+ Seems to be the easiest way to get Gtk support.
+ Easy to change with editor or various tools.
- All the nice Gnome tools for menu settings size settings and other
stuff doesn't work.

0 Use gnome-settings-daemon:
+ Full Gnome support
+ Easy to use
+ All Gnome preference dialogs like fonts, menus, themes,... work.
+ Nice tools like gnome-keyring-manager are started
- The gnome-settings-daemon seems to grab some key bindings (e.g. volume
control on multimedia keyboards).
- The Gnome screensaver and password dialog doesn't work good in a E17
environment (sure it could be deactivated).

0 Use xfce4-settings manager
+ Works similar to the gnome-settings-daemon
+ Like with gnome-settings-daemon a set of tools to configure lookfeel
- same cons as with gnome-settings-daemon

I'm not happy with any of the solutions. How do you use E17 and
Gnome/Gtk app together?

I thought about forking gnome-settings-daemon. Then I could use all
good things from it and remove all stuff that I don't like/need in E17.
In combination with smart Gnome settings this should work the best.

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Re: [e-users] Ewl and Etk Themes

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Am Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:54:47 -0400 schrieb Jaime Thomas:

 To change the theme for etk, you can use etk_prefs.  This requires
 the theme to be in .e/etk/themes.  As for ewl, check the theme are
 you trying to use, as an incomplete theme would result in a black
 window.  And yes, --ewl-theme does work.

Two comments to etk_prefs:

- etk_prefs from current CVS isn't working. I couldn't change configure
sections.

- Why not providing (an alternative) 3rd party E17 conf module for etk
configuration. I think this would easy configuration consistency.

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[e-users] Which theme?

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

could anyone identify the E17 border theme on this screenshot:

http://hisham.cc/files/2007_05_29_evolve2.png

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Re: [e-users] [E-devel] [E17] Place modules on desktop

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Am Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:13:18 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:42:56 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:50 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz:
  
   Hello,
   
   currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I
   remember the time when it was possible to place modules free in
   size and position on the desktop background. This was a great
   feature.
   
   - Why was this feature removed?
   
   - Will it come back?
  
  Why was this bug closed without any explanation?
  
  http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170
  
  Perhaps I'm not able to find the option to place modules on the
  desktop. Or is this a not desired feature? Please give at least a
  short explanation. Thanks!
 
 it's not being added back because it's generally a silly feature
 (gadgets get covered by windows all the time) and no developer wants
 to spend time on it as the general view among the developers is that

What is the difference to the desktop icons like trash, home folder and
mount points? They're also covered by windows all the time. I don't
think that one could argument that way. I could for example imagine
that one screen holds all my nice and useful desktop modules. If I open
no window there I've no problems. Don't assume how anybody uses a
desktop environment. :-)

 it is a dubiously useful feature. patches accepted.

This is good to read. In the past I waited for this feature to come
back. Now I know that it'll not come back from alone. My knowledge of
the EFL is growing more and more, but I never hacked in E itself. Are
there any experienced E developers that like this feature too and will
spend work for a solution?

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Re: [e-users] Special logs for enlightenment ?

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Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:16:23 +0200 schrieb giggz:

 Hi,
 
 Are there any special logs for e17 ? in /var/log/ for example or in
 ~ ?

Hello,

not E17 specific, but see ~/.xsession-errors for some X (and so E17)
logs.

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[e-users] [E17] Place modules on desktop

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Hello,

currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I remember
the time when it was possible to place modules free in size and position
on the desktop background. This was a great feature.

- Why was this feature removed?

- Will it come back?

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[e-users] Debian Etch e17 packages

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Hello,

are there any E17 packages for Debian Etch somewhere? I would also be
happy if the packages are some month old. I simply like to test the E17
speed on my very old laptop before I put more work into installing a
recent E17 on this laptop.

Installing from CVS isn't an option, because the laptop is too small to
install all needed dev packages and a development environment.

regards
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Re: [e-users] Not working .desktop application

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:47:51 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:58:57 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
 not sure - my startup dir stopped working a bit ago but i haven't
 checked into why.

I changed the problem temporary by using gtk2-theme-switch instead of
gnome-settings-manager. Perhaps some gnome apps have problems now, but
I didn't notice it.

The app dir has at least another problem. I wasn't able to create a
working .desktop with nautilus --browser. It does simply not apear.
I'll do an update the next days. Perhaps this problem got fixed.

BTW: I know currently we use .desktop instead of edj files for the
menu. But it should be possible to add an edj, as it has very nice
animations. It doesn't work if I write it into .order and doesn't work
if I set it as .desktop icon. So how could I do this?

regards
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[e-users] Neue Bilder von Sarah

[Andreas Volz]

Hallo zusammen,

leider hab ich wenig Zeit, daher nur schnell ein paar neue Links:

http://privat.tux-style.de/Sarah/KW24_07/
http://privat.tux-style.de/Sarah/KW28_07/

Gruß
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Re: [e-users] Neue Bilder von Sarah

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Am Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:14:45 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz:

 Hallo zusammen,
 
 leider hab ich wenig Zeit, daher nur schnell ein paar neue Links:
 
 ...
 ...

Oh, this shouldn't be send here. :-(

It'm my little daughter. Sorry for sending it here...

regards
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[e-users] Not working .desktop application

[Andreas Volz]

Hi,

I try to start the gnome-settings-daemon at E17 startup. So I created a
gnome-settings-daemon.desktop in /home/andreas/.e/e/applications/all
with this content:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Gnome Settings Daeom
Comment=
Exec=/usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon
Icon=
Terminal=0
Type=Application
Categories=Graphics;Application

Then a .order file in /home/andreas/.e/e/applications/startup with this
content:

gnome-settings-daemon.desktop

But it doesn't start at startup time. I tried other applications and
they work well. The gnome-settings-daemon works also well if I exec it
from command line. So why doesn't it work as expected?

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[e-users] EFL based HTML slideshow

[Andreas Volz]

Hallo,

is there a EFL based image application which could export HTML
galleries?

regards
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Re: [e-users] Digital Clock Module

[Andreas Volz]

Am Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:03:51 +0100 schrieb Gabriel Rossetti:



 Hello,
 
 I think you forgot to attach the file :-)
 

Ups :-)

Here it is.

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Re: [e-users] Digital Clock Module

[Andreas Volz]

Am Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:08:06 -0500 schrieb Michael Jennings:

 On Monday, 08 January 2007, at 22:04:14 (+0100),
 Andreas Volz wrote:
 
  Ups :-)
  
  Here it is.
 
 Your attachment has been rejected due to a naughty MIME type.  Try
 text/plain if you want it to get through, and do NOT attach binary
 files.

So, I hope now it works.

regards
Andreas
fonts {
font: VeraMono.ttf VeraMono;
}

collections
{
   group
 {
name: modules/tclock/main;
parts
  {
 part
   {
  name: tclock_time;
  type: TEXT;
  effect: OUTLINE_SOFT_SHADOW;
  mouse_events: 1;
  description
{
   state: default 0.0;
   visible: 0;
   align: 0.5 0.5;
   rel1
 {
relative: 0.0 0.0;
offset: 0 4;
 }
   rel2
 {
relative: 1.0 0.5;
offset: -1 -3;
 }
   color: 10 10 10 255;
   color2: 0 0 0 96;
   color3: 0 0 0 32;
   color_class: module_label;
   text {
  text: ;
  font: VeraMono;
  size: 13;
  min:  1 1;
  align:0.5 0.5;
  text_class: module_large; 
   }
}
  description 
{
   state: hidden 0.0;
   inherit: default 0.0;
   visible: 0;
}
  description 
{
   state: visible 0.0;
   inherit: default 0.0;
   visible: 1;
} 
   }
 part
   {
  name: tclock_date;
  type: TEXT;
  effect: OUTLINE_SOFT_SHADOW;
  mouse_events: 1;
  description
{
   state: default 0.0;
   visible: 0;
   align: 0.5 0.5;
   rel1
 {
relative: 0.0 0.5;
offset: 0 4;
 }
   rel2
 {
relative: 1.0 1.0;
offset: -1 -3;
 }
   color: 10 10 10 255;
   color2: 0 0 0 96;
   color3: 0 0 0 32;
   color_class: module_label;
   text {
  text: ;
  font: VeraMono;
  size: 11;
  min:  1 1;
  align:0.5 0.5;
  text_class: module_small;
   }
}
  description 
{
   state: hidden 0.0;
   inherit: default 0.0;
   visible: 0;
}
  description 
{
   state: visible 0.0;
   inherit: default 0.0;
   visible: 1;
} 
   }
  }
/* Close Parts */
programs 
  {
 program 
   {
  name: p1;
  signal: time_hidden;
  source: ;
  action: STATE_SET hidden 0.0;
  target: tclock_time;
   }
 program 
   {
  name: p2;
  signal: time_visible;
  source: ;
  action: STATE_SET visible 0.0;
  target: tclock_time;
   }
 program 
   {
  name: p3;
  signal: date_hidden;
  source: ;
  action: STATE_SET hidden 0.0;
  target: tclock_date;
   }
 program 
   {
  name: p4;
  signal: date_visible;
  source: ;
  action: STATE_SET visible 0.0;
  target: tclock_date;
   } 
  }
/* Close Programs */
 }
   /* Close Group */
}
/* Close Coll

[e-users] Digital Clock Module

[Andreas Volz]

Hello,

is there a digital clock module for the E17 shelf?

regards
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Re: [e-users] Digital Clock Module

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 6 Jan 2007 05:24:02 +1000 schrieb David Seikel:

 On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:09:30 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  is there a digital clock module for the E17 shelf?
 
 The tclock module in e_modules/tclock.

Thanks. This module works great. But I think the default edc file is
really not useable because the color is very bad and the font size to
small. I attached a modified edc file for all interested people.

regards
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Re: [e-users] enlightenment builder ?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:30:39 + (GMT) schrieb Gerald Iakobinyi Pich:

 
 Hello,
 
 I am just wondering:
  - has anybody given a thought to creating a C++/Python API for the
 enlightenment libraries

http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/eflpp/

  - creating a visual builder for enlightenment widgets/dialogs etc.
 
 Is there some work going on on such things ? I think that would be
 nice.

regards
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Re: [e-users] xte from Xautomation not working

[Andreas Volz]

Am Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:57:36 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:42:28 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Am Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:00:35 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
  Rasterman):
  
   you are using the enlightenment_remote commands? have you thought
   that maybe those keys (XF86Back for example) don't WORK on your
   keyboard layout setup and that's why? have you tried using the
   gui to set them up? when you use the gui it will CAPTURE the
   actual key pressed and thus get it right. e will let u bind keys
   even if they have no symbols in the keymap as it will just bind
   the raw keycode then. as long as the key produces a key press
   event the binding will work and e will execute something (ie what
   you told it to).
  
  Sure, I tested it also with the GUI. And also with other standard
  keys not special for a multimedia keyboard. No other results.
 
 not sure then. e will execute the app. if it is an app (from
 a .desktop file) it will snarf the stdout/in, track return code etc.
 so it fully reports errors etc. if it's not (just a cmd-line) it will
 simply spawn it off and forget about it. replace xte with something
 like date  $HOME/test-run-time and check that file. you will find

Result: Di Dez  5 18:07:25 CET 2006

 it is being run. the rest is either that xte is not in $PATH (thus
 provide a full path to it) or xte itself after being executed aborts
 before it does anything.

If I run xte with this command from E it works:

xte 'mousemove 100 100' 'mousedown 1' 'mousemove 200 200' 'mouseup 1'

The cursor is moved as it should. So I assume xte is found in the path.

But the key-command does only work in E if I call it with xterm:

xterm -e xte 'sleep 0.5' 'keydown Control_L' 'key v' 'keyup Control_L' 

The xte command isn't given to the xterm, it's e.g. given to the before
selected OpenOffice window and insert the clipboards data. (OK)

Any idea why it works inside a xterm, but not direct? It's a little
interfering to see a xterm opening each time.

regards
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Re: [e-users] xte from Xautomation not working

[Andreas Volz]

Am Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:00:35 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 you are using the enlightenment_remote commands? have you thought
 that maybe those keys (XF86Back for example) don't WORK on your
 keyboard layout setup and that's why? have you tried using the gui to
 set them up? when you use the gui it will CAPTURE the actual key
 pressed and thus get it right. e will let u bind keys even if they
 have no symbols in the keymap as it will just bind the raw keycode
 then. as long as the key produces a key press event the binding will
 work and e will execute something (ie what you told it to).

Sure, I tested it also with the GUI. And also with other standard
keys not special for a multimedia keyboard. No other results.

regards
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Re: [e-users] xte from Xautomation not working

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Am Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:01:02 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:31:08 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Hi,
  
  if I call xte (e.g. xte 'key X') from the Terminal or the E17
  Command Dialog it works. But if I run xte with keybinding Defined
  Command it does simply not work. Could anyone help here?
 
 no idea - e just executes the command as given and will redirect
 stdout/err/in to itself to capture error logs etc.

Is there a difference between how E17 keybindings and the Command
Dialog run a app? Because there is works.

Other xte command that controls the mouse are working in E17. Perhaps
it's really a problem that E captures the stdin/err/out. Could I
configure E _not_ to capture it?

Or do you've a better idea how to use the some keys on my multimedia
keyboard that control some apps.

I read here about how to configure my Cymotion keyboard for E17, but it
doesn't work (because of the xte problem):

http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/Main/Home/_articles/11.html

regards
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[e-users] xte from Xautomation not working

[Andreas Volz]

Hi,

if I call xte (e.g. xte 'key X') from the Terminal or the E17 Command
Dialog it works. But if I run xte with keybinding Defined Command it
does simply not work. Could anyone help here?

regards
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[e-users] Screenshot application

[Andreas Volz]

Hi,

I search a good application to create screen- and window shots. I
remember about a e17-module. Does it work good? Could someone tell me
it's path in the CVS tree. I've problems with viewcvs. (see my post on
the devel-list...)

BTW: I've seen various E17 videos out there. How are they taken? With
xvidcap? Is someone working on a E17 app/module for this?

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[e-users] Dict for E17?

[Andreas Volz]

Hi,

is there any dict (at least german-english) that fits well into E17?

regards
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Re: [e-users] Dict for E17?

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Am Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:56:00 +0100 schrieb J. Erik Heinz:

 Hi,
 
 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] words
   on 11.11.2006 - 11:45 (+0100 Zulu-Time):
 
  is there any dict ( at least german-english) that fits well into
  E17?
 basicly with a shell script ;)
 
 Basic syntax:
 
 #!/bin/bash
 pattern=$1
 sBaseaUrl=http://pda.leo.org/?lp=endelang=desearchLoc=0cmpType=relaxedrelink=onsectHdr=onspellToler=stdsearch=;
 w3m -dump $sBaseaUrl$pattern
 
 If you are interessted I can send you my whole script. Just leave me a
 message. 

Not bad. But I imagined a EFL app or a module. Does your script work
with UTF-8 input? I used here steak in the past, but it I couldn't
longer translate umlauts since I changed my system to UTF-8.

regards
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Re: [e-users] force people to do things right !!!

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:36:20 -0400 schrieb Michael Jennings:

 On Saturday, 21 October 2006, at 19:41:58 (+0400),
 sitarane wrote:
 
  I don't like to be forced to do anything... After one hour and half
  manually compiling all the libs and apps, I was facing an error
  message like the one above. And NO way to login because of a stupid
  diktat. This is the 'one size fits all': do it my way or go away...
  Yes, I think Raster is going mad.  ...
 
 Your inability to hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login on a console, or login
 via ssh, is not our problem.

Hi,

I noticed only one problem with current E17 and enlightenment_start.
The binary like to launch enlightenment, but on Gentoo this is
enlightenment-0.17. Sure, I could patch this in my local installation,
but perhaps the E17 gentoo maintainer reads this and knows a better
way.

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[e-users] E17 Start Script

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Hi,

I start E17 with gdm. How could I start some applications while E17
start time? The .xinitrc doesn't seem to work.

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[e-users] e_modules compile problems

[Andreas Volz]

Hi,

could someone answer why e_modules from anonymous CVS doesn't compile?

if /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. I. -I.. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include
-I/usr/include/enlightenment -DUSE_E_CONFIG_H -march=athlon-xp -O3
-pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -MT add_event_dialog.lo -MD - -MF
.deps/add_event_dialog.Tpo -c -o add_event_dialog.lo
add_event_dialog.c \ then mv -f .deps/add_event_dialog.Tpo
.deps/add_event_dialog.Plo; else rm .deps/add_event_dialog.Tpo;
exit 1; fi mkdir .libs
 i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I. -I..
-I/usr/include -I sr/include/enlightenment -DUSE_E_CONFIG_H
-march=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe -fomit-fr e-pointer -MT add_event_dialog.lo
-MD -MP -MF .deps/add_event_dialog.Tpo -c ad event_dialog.c  -fPIC
-DPIC -o .libs/add_event_dialog.o In file included from
add_event_dialog.c:2: e_mod_main.h:220: error: syntax error before
E_Gadman_Client e_mod_main.h:220: warning: no semicolon at end of
struct or union e_mod_main.h:259: error: syntax error before '}' token
In file included from e_mod_main.h:332,
 from add_event_dialog.c:2:
cal_face_func.h:16: error: syntax error before E_Gadman_Client
add_event_dialog.c: In function `_add_event_basic_create_widgets':
add_event_dialog.c:130: warning: passing arg 2 of `e_widget_entry_add'
from in mpatible pointer type

I compiled E17 again to be sure, but it changed nothing.

regards
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Re: [e-users] E17 Start Script

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Am Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:27:12 +0200 schrieb Anders Troback:

 You can put the name of some eap's in
 ~/.e/e/applications/startup/.order!

Thanks. Another question: Is entangle currently broken?

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Re: [e-users] Problem with CVS?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:08:00 -0500 schrieb Peter:

 2 days now, cannot access either web-based or capture cvs source
 directly. Just thought you should know. Other sf sites seem to still
 work.

I know that anonymous CVS on sf.net is sometimes bad, but developers
CVS should most time work. I used it some minutes ago without problems.

This is my command to checkout:

cvs -z3 -d:ext:devname@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/makehuman co -P 
directory

I assume you use the same command?

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Re: [e-users] Problem with CVS?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:18:11 +0100 schrieb Andreas Volz:

 Am Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:08:00 -0500 schrieb Peter:
 
  2 days now, cannot access either web-based or capture cvs source
  directly. Just thought you should know. Other sf sites seem to still
  work.
 
 I know that anonymous CVS on sf.net is sometimes bad, but developers
 CVS should most time work. I used it some minutes ago without
 problems.
 
 This is my command to checkout:
 
 cvs -z3 -d:ext:devname@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/makehuman co -P
 directory
 
 I assume you use the same command?

Shit! Wrong list! Forget my last answer! :-(

regards
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[e-users] Re: [E-devel] calendar module - overlap?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:50 +0100 schrieb Morten Nilsen:

 Andreas Volz wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I tried the calendar module the last days and I like it much. But
  there's one thing that prevent me to use calendar everytime. It
  doesn't support the great option Allow windows to overlap this
  gadget. I like this option very much. It seems each widget needs
  to implement this option in his own config dialog. As this is a
  usefull option for each module, perhaps it's a good idea to provide
  this automatic for each module. So the widgets doesn't need to
  implement this option. But I've no smart idea where to put this
  option. What do you think?
 
 I have to ask.. what does this option do? I've never noticed any 
 difference with it either on nor off..

It seems not to work for some time, but with the current CVs it's
working and I love it! You could configure which modules aren't
overlapped by maximizing windows. In my configuration is:

Not Overlap:
- Pager, Network, Ibar, Ibox

Overlap:
- Clock (and I hope calendar in future)

So if I maximize a window it does never overlap modules that are
important for me. I don't need to see the calendar everytime, but I
don't like to overlap the Ibar.

regards
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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:09:51 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

  I was sure I tested it before and it failed. But now it works. Sorry
  for troubling you. Here is the dump file. I hope you could use it:
  
  http://brachttal.net/tmp/exebuf_dump
 
 so basically it looks like your system is spending most of its time
 inside libc (you have no debug symbols so we cant say any mroe than
 that) and the kernel. as i mailed in another mail - try modifying the
 source (see my other mails in thsi thread) and put in printf's with
 timestamps to idnetify the areas of the show routine thata re using
 up all the wall-clock time.

Ok, I'll try this next weekend if no solution was found until then.
Perhaps it's an interesting information that it takes nearly the same
time if I press TAB-TAB in an empty bash command and the system
collects all executables. It's interesting that after I did this the
exebuf comes up very fast.

 [TAB-TAB]
Display all 3225 possibilities? (y or n)

Are 3225 executables very much? I tested it on a Debian System with
1049 possibilities and it was _much_ faster (this system/harddisk 
is also much slower). So perhaps it's usefull to know the distribution
of all the people with the same problem.

regards
Andreas


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:26:42 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

 i quote from my previous mail:
 
 there is a command-line tool you can get a profile dump with:
 opreport --symbols

I was sure I tested it before and it failed. But now it works. Sorry
for troubling you. Here is the dump file. I hope you could use it:

http://brachttal.net/tmp/exebuf_dump

regards
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[e-users] exebuf preload?

[Andreas Volz]

Hi,

shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec). While
this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast application
starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this situation?

regards
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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:49:46 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

  shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
  feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
  for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
  session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec).
  While this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast
  application starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this
  situation?
 
 could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
 before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
 first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.

Sure, but I never used oprofile before. It's in Gentoo portage, so I've
installed it now. But what exactly do you need? How should I execute it
to create this dump?

regards
Andreas


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:44:59 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

   could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
   before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
   first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.
  
  Sure, but I never used oprofile before. It's in Gentoo portage, so
  I've installed it now. But what exactly do you need? How should I
  execute it to create this dump?
 
 there is an oprofile gui (written using qt) and you can start/stop
 profiling using that (on debian its oprof_start run it as root) there
 is a command-line tool you can get a profile dump with: opreport
 --symbol

I start oprof_start as root and this dialog warns me:
--
/usr/bin/opcontrol return 1
Failed:
FATAL: Module oprofile not found
FATAL: Module oprofile not found
Kernel doesn't support oprofile

Command was:
/usr/bin/opcontrol --init
--

So do I need to activate something in the kernel and recompile? What
should I do?

regards
Andreas


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