[eug-lug]Disable SMP in FreeBSD 5?
So ; i've got this 2-CPU server running FreeBSD 5.2.1, and i'm interested in running it on one CPU to observe performance differences. Is there a boot command to turn off SMP at boot time? Or maybe a sysctl? Or do i just need to build an alternate, non-SMP kernel and start that? -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Navigator install error
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 11:46:22AM -0800, Darren Hayes wrote: Yech, why don't you just use firebird and tell it what to set the User-Agent string to. You mean Firefox ;-) http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5156101.html The telepathic interface is pretty cool, at least if you think in Russian. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 12:41:11PM -0800, Rick Faber wrote: Hi Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec 1524) reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any experiences? Hmm I always tell people it depends on what you want to do, so: I imagine 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe put the wireless switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a latop and/or the desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to manage as a firewall unless it's unavoidable. My fellow worker Jay recently got QWest DSL via EFN, and got the Actiontec device; he's been pretty happy with it. It can do what you're describing, simple firewalling and routing, and has slots to add PCCard wireless cards as well. With my own ReachDSL setup, i have the endpoint feeding a little NetGear NATbox that also does wireless. Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... EFN's DSL offerings have expanded; the price you were quoted before was probably for the ReachDSL, which requires a proprietary endpoint. Our QWest DSL offerings have our own price, and you also pay some fees for QWest; the 256K service has $27 as our price, and with the other fees you would pay out about $42 per month. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 05:35:10PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: Their AUP is fscary--they can kill your account for any reason at just about any time. As far as I know, efn's AUP still does not contain anything of the sort, though former management did seek such a change. I don't watch things at efn closely enough anymore to know if the proposal left with the manager. Yes, it did. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Naive BSD question
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:49:33PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: Softdep makes fsck _very_ reliable, The most utterly hosed filesystem i have ever had the misfortune to be afflicted with, came to me courtesy of softupdates. The enormous files with the immutable flag set, the files with negative timestamps, the files with names from the content of other files, the files with content based on the names of other files; i shudder still to think of it. I don't think it gave me files with slashes in the filenames, but i would not have been surprised if it had. Dan Bernstein tells us that softupdates should not be used on filesystems that are to be used for mail delivery, as the filesystem in question cannot be relied upon to not lose mail. He is, shall i say, correct. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: thanks Larry //Re: [eug-lug]FARTHER Off topic -- EFN related only
On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:52:22AM +, horst wrote: I know you folks at efn work very hard to keep things moving. Sometimes, for the technical crew it's not so obvious how changes affect the end user, and how to communicate things to a diverse spectrum of users (what's too much for some is not enough for others). At work I have learned to talk with non-technical staff or the department heads first before making changes that impact their crews. That extra step helps with the overall communication, but also distributes the responsibility to some extend. For instance, what about using Ray or Tasha as a sounding board before announcing more drastic changes? --just a thought. That sounds like a good idea; i will dig into it. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Microsoft and Fun With Trademarks
http://www.theregister.com/content/6/34955.html Now, one wonders, will they come after MikeOSoft.com? -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]chmod syntax
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:55:59AM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:01:14 -0800 Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 03:19:53PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: | Ah yes, sudo is a Good Thing, although be wary of allowing sudo su, | for if you are trying to limit your normal users' actions, and get a log | of what they sudo, you'll only ever see that they became root, at which | point they have untrackable control. | | That's only the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. Don't forget that | such seemingly harmless programs as 'less' and 'more' can execute | commands, like !sh. Are you talking about control-Z suspend or something else? No, shell escapes. Many *NIX programs, especially ones that originated before job control became common, support some keystroke combination to launch a subshell, so that the user can run a command without having to exit from their current program and lose their work. Vi, for example, will do it from the ! keystroke, as will ed. The launched subshell has the powers and abilities of the program that launched it, so sudo vi and ! will give you a root shell. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]getting dumped
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 04:04:18PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Up until now I've been using 'tar' to archive/backup select user files
plus certain system and program files. I would like however to start doing
full system dumps as an extra bit of insurance. I've surfed around some but
some of the info seems contradictive so I'd like to know what others are doing.
I was thinking it might be nice to use a spare drive as the backup storage.
Its my understanding that 'dump' and 'restore' work on _raw_ devices ; does
this mean I ought to be able to, for instance, hook up my eternal scsi drive
to my Sparc and just do 'dump -F -f /dev/rsd1c /' w/o having to worry about
mounting or filesystem issues? I also read that one should always be in
single-user mode when running dump/restore - is this always required or
just with certain filesystems and/or dump options?
Dump does need to be able to understand the filesystem on the disk;
there is an ext{2,3} dump, a UFS dump, etc. The filesystem should not
be mounted, but you can dump from a mounted filesystem if you must.
There is no reiserfs dump ; they suggest you use GNU tar with the
bells on, which is a fairly reasonable solution. You do not need
to be single-user. The O'Reilly book UNIX Backup and Recovery
has a good discussion of dump, much of it is available online at
http://www.backupcentral.com/toc-excerpts.html
--
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without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of
UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are
mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon
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Re: [eug-lug]Associating Files
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 12:05:29PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 06:03:25AM -0800, nyal wrote: Greetings All, I'm trying to figure out how to associate certain file types with certain apps...like Kuickshow with .jpgs and XMMS with .pls files. I know it can't be that hard, I'm just not looking in the right place. If anyone knows of a site that explains how I'd be mucho appreciative. For what? You think this is integrated? The beauty of X11 is that you must configure each and every little thing seperately and not necessarily in a sane or logical manner. Gnome has one place. KDE another. XFCE another. ROX yet another. GNUStep still another. Mozilla has its own, and then there's the generic MIME associations, a square wheel used by oldschool applications which do not use the newer (but still square) wheels created by KDE, Gnome, ad nausiem. http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/plumb.html -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Larry in the news!
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:41:55PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: I attempted to add one today via USB using a device I thought was supported. It's not. Not supported where; at the TiVo or at the other end? I've used the same model i gave you, with Debian on my VAIO. IF you're having trouble with your Mac, you could install Linux thereupon and try it. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Timing shutdown -h
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 10:05:22PM -0800, Dirk Ouellette wrote: Is there a way to set shutdown -h just like a timer? Sure. Shutdown accepts numeric arguments for time delays. E.g. # shutdown -h +10 going down for scheduled maintenance # 10 minutes # shutdown -h 23:00 going down late# goes down at 11PM Depending on your shell, you might want to background the shutdown job to allow you to log off or do other deeds: # shutdown -h +120 going down in two hours # lynx http://www.fark.com -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:32:28PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Doesn't anyone use AskJeeves any more? Now *there* is some real AI. So the interview was deliberately hosed as a red herring? -- UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]spam filtering options and reccomendations
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:05:43AM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: Second, it is perl that wasn't designed in any meaningful manner; it was merely hacked, tweaked, and appended as necessary to block the latest things people are doing. Isn't that covered by it is perl? Our experience with SpamAssassin is that it has inevitable scalability problems. We are using three dedicated hosts to do the work and are still skipping too many messages. Mike has been experimenting with ways to optimize the perl, either by optimizing the binaries or other steps. If core portions could be ported to C, that might help. Other ideas we have speculated about include perld or maybe perl.ko. -- When the President of the United States cannot travel abroad or to any major city at home without fear of a hostile demonstration -- then it's time for new leadership for the United States of America. -- Richard M. Nixon, 1968 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Open Source equivalent of Microsoft Bob?
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 11:44:51AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Here is a discussion topic. What open source project/product is the moral equivalent of Microsoft Bob? Not the literal equivalent, a smiley face that tells you irrelevant things about using a computer, but a project that symbolizes technology gone stupid? I'm thinking there has to be one (or several), but nothing is coming to mind. I think that Open Source is less vulnerable to the Massive Ill-Conceived Malinvestment that Bob represented, due mainly to its recruitment model. Once it dawns on the developers that they're working on something stupid and uninteresting, they wander off to some other project. In the corporate world, the developers must code or move into cardboard boxes, and decisions are often made without reference to reality by management far above them in the chain of command. A more typical Open Source failure mode is the Dinky Little Project That Never Ships Or Does Anything Useful; there are hundreds of GPL OSen that nearly boot on the lead developer's crashbox, for example. You will recognize the sort of thing from http://unpythonic.net/~jepler/cgi-bin/rottenflesh.cgi -- How about suspender snapping three martini lunching mahogany tabled conference room equipped with overhead projector dwelling golden parachute flying bill gates specifying buzzword spewing computerworld and datamation reading trend bandwagoneering meeting going morons.-- Tom O'Toole ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]cameras, gphoto2 and USB (standards and lack thereof)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 08:53:12PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: Actually, this has got me thinking about how to better handle things like swapping disks, root filesystems on removable CDs, etc. It seems that the -bind mount option and / being completely virtual (ie, in the kernel) would be the right way to go about it, but I haven't come up with a good way to implement it. What's clear is that what I envision is outside the realm of automounters and traditional UNIX filesystem methodology. (Which means it'll never happen in Linux..) Ah well. =) SouthParkPlan 9 did it!/SouthPark On the bright side, Linux has profited from Shameless Ripoff Of Decade-Old Plan 9 Technology before ( /proc, among other things ), so it might become doable. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]cameras, gphoto2 and USB (standards and lack thereof)
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:37:28AM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Thank you, Patrick! There are not enough Plan 9 references on this list!! Maybe we could get a Plan 9 presentation... Might be interesting. I've been having trouble trying to install it on my VAIO - the video drivers do Strange Things - but it works fine on my office workstation. At the moment, that's using FreeBSD to serve up a test install of BillMax, but it may be convertable to Plan 9 in early 2004 ... -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:44:24AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: I'm planning to put Gentoo on my laptop eventually. Let us know how things like hotplug, wifi and USB go. Hotplug appears to work ; my digital camera was detected as a USB mass storage device. Note to self: /var needs to be big, as emerge sticks working stuff in /var/tmp. Filling / while trying to build X sux. But it's a learning experience. -- PHB. I can page admins from their resty sleep. Bas. Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do page for them? -- J.D. Baldwin updates THE FIRST PART OF KING HENRY THE FOURTH, Act III, Scene 1 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:28:28PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 04:04:13PM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: 2) do I need to do anything to keep my efn mail? No; mail originating inside efn.org is automatically whitelisted. |From: Ima Scamartiste [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: B U 5 1 N E 5 5 0 P P 0 R T U N 1 T Y | |Dear Sir or Madam, | |I am Ima Scamartiste, the wife of the late Dr. Fallfura Scamartiste. My |husband ... As i understand it, forged From: is not sufficient to clear the filter, else i'd be getting an order of magnitude more spam complaints than i do, which is plenty, for crying out loud. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]The Programmer's Stone
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:55:24PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: On 20031115.1840, Patrick R. Wade said ... I mentioned this to several people today who hadn't remembered it: http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/index.html Can you give me the background on this link? I've read about half of the first chapter of the first article and it is interesting reading, but I'm not sure what context I'm reading it in. :) I was reminded of it by a discussion i was hearing about the role of the school system in promoting status-quo thinking. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:28PM -0500, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Pat, Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking anything with [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam filter for my .procmailrc I think Larry already posted about the X-Spam-Status: header. Note that this needs to be in the .procmailrc on pop.efn.org, not the legacy .procmailrc in your shell account home directory. You can FTP to pop.efn.org to modify your production .procmailrc. 2) do I need to do anything to keep my efn mail? No; mail originating inside efn.org is automatically whitelisted. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]The Programmer's Stone
I mentioned this to several people today who hadn't remembered it: http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/index.html -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Spam, filtering, and censorship
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 04:44:20PM -0800, Marc Baber wrote: I would say that spam, or at least the set of e-mails that one might want to be classified as spam, is *not* the same for everybody, in the case of politically motivated spam filtering. Because the corpus body of collected spam e-mails is used to filter e-mail for all users, one person's spam report can affect e-mail delivered (or not delivered) to a large number of people. The reason I talk about lost e-mails is because my account was defaulted into a delete spam mode when spam filtering was first introduced at EFN and I never saw filtered spam until I specifically contacted EFN to personally to ask that my account be exempted from that default. I have no experience of receiving flagged spam as the default action for EFN's spam filter. I had to lose an airline reservation e-mail and at least one job-seeking related e-mail before I became suspicious and started asking questions to learn that my account was defaulted to drop spam silently. That was very frustrating for me and has made me the spam-filter-unfriendly guy I am today. Hm. There have been three periods in the history of efn's spam filters: 2002 DNSBLs coupled with local sendmail rules During this period, any email that was rejected by our servers, would be bounced back to the sender, thereby meeting the RFC requirement to either deliver or account for every piece of mail. This was an increasingly labor-intensive solution, but it did not generate very many complaints to the volunteer postmaster. 2002 DNSBLs coupled with SpamAssassin, auto-deleting During this period, efn ran SpamAssassin, first on our main incoming mailserver, and later on two dedicated hosts. Mail which was flagged as spam by SpamAssassin was automatically deleted. Mail blocked by DNSBLs continued to be bounced. Reliability, both of the mailsystem as a whole, and of the spam filter in particular, became embarassingly bad. If i recall correctly, it was during this period that your missing mail episodes happened. I apologize for, and continue to be ashamed about, our mail performance during this period, but there was really nothing more i could have done to fix it than i did, and the problem was essentially political. You are not the only one to be wary of SpamAssassin on the basis of such experiences; our debacle caused UO to become very wary of any futher experiments with SpamAssassin. 2003 DNSBLs coupled with SpamAssassin, flagging In early 2003 we experimented with bouncing back to the sender mail which was flagged as spam by SpamAssassin. This resolved the RFC-compliance problem, but did little to improve the reliability issue. Since then we have been delivering with messages flagged by SpamAssassin (DNSBL rejects are still bounced). If people opt to auto-delete flagged spam at delivery time, we do that for them on a user-by-user basis with .procmailrc configuration. We aim to enhance this mail system further with individual user configurability. If there is to be a central corpus of spam for all users, I'd like to see some accountability and transparency: 1. Who makes the final decision if an e-mail submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] is included in the corpus as such. What are the relevant policies? Is it automated or staffed? At the moment, any email which is submitted as spam, and is recognized by the postmasters as a sample email (rather than, say, a request for whitelisting or tech support) is queued for eventual inclusion in the Bayesian filter. The sender's report is considered sufficient evidence that the mail in question is indeed spam or tofu. At present none of it is committed to the Bayesian filter, which learns only on the auto-learn basis of mail that it examines as it goes. 2. The corpus should be in an open web directory that is searchable. That is an interesting idea, i'm not sure how we'd implement it (MySQL?). We are talking about millions of messages here. When the SpamAssassin says something is spam, there should be links to the reference e-mails in the corpus that were correlated with the spam, upon request, so a user can review whether the items in the corpus are objective spam or subjective spam. The individual must have a way of reviewing the decisions or processes that contribute to the corpus. That looks to be Very, Very Hard to do. I don't know that SpamAssassin has any sort of support for audit trail in its Bayesian mechanism, and i would expect including it to signifigantly increase both the CPU cycles and the disk space needed to manage a mailstream as large as efn's. It might be easier to do per-user Bayesian filters, or perhaps to have a Spam Committee which must approve
[eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
So; due to a combination of frustration with a slow release cycle and curiosity, i replaced my Debian install on my laptop with Gentoo. It's been an interesting experience so far; it has by far the most primitive installer i've seen in a long time. My memory of the vintage 1996 Slackware installer is that it was more sophisticated. One question i've not found the answer to yet, and would appreciate if anyone else knows; is there something i can do with emerge or a related application to list the full set of installed packages, equivalent to Debian's # dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii It looks to me like it's all there in /var/log/emerge.log, but i'd prefer something zippier than grep, if it's already been done :-) -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]planet CCRMA
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:47:24PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:10:19PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:59:00AM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: So, how does one install .debs or RPMs in gentoo, and still have the niceness of emerge? emerge app-arch/rpm And this would register the installed RPMS in the portage database? I don't see a patch to the rpm sources to do that. No, you have to do an added step of # emerge inject package-category/package-name (which looks less painful than the Debian equivs bit) -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:38:18PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:24:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: You'll either have to kill printloop before you log out or terminate ssh by typing ~.. What does ~. do? I tried it on my command line in an ssh session but it said command not found. Nothing in the bash man page. Cory ~ is the default escape character (presumably inheirited from rsh, which inheirited it from cu, which predates ~ for the home directory). ~. is the shortand for end-session. It must occur at the beginning of a line. There are others, like ~, which is just sending a job control signal to your local ssh client. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]New laptop - Distro recommendations
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:18:43PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: I helped a co-worker do a Knoppix install on his Dell 5100 and noticed that the *unstable* apt sources were in there by default. Ack? Yes; most everyone is using either those or testing. I was using stable, wherein begins a rant. I have a Synaptics touchpad on my laptop. I want to be able to use the mouse either in the console or in X. GPM, the mouse server program, supports a repeater mode. Unfortunately the version of GPM in debian-stable is several revs old, and does not repeat fully the protocol for the mouse which i have. I tried it in raw mode, and while i could indeed mouse in X, it did not have things like movement acceleration, so i would creep across the desktop. I examined the website of the GPM maintainer, and found that the latest GPM would correctly repeat a Synaptics touchpad, and moreover supported tuning of nice features like edge-scrolling that i never expected to work outside of Windoze. Having heard that a new release of Debian was due out before 2004, i went to the website and queried the web interface for the package information about GPM in the testing branch, which will become the stable branch. It was told that the version number of the GPM in that release will be a higher one than the one in stable, but will still not be up to the version that supports my mouse. This event was trivial enough in itself, the more so in that i was able to download the maintainer's tarball and build a current GPM, but it was symptomatic of the increasingly creaky Debian release system. It needs to change, perhaps along the lines of Joseph's vision for the package pools, before it becomes entirely antiquated. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]SCOutrage o' the day
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:04:23PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5106450.html?tag=nefd_top me too subpoena Now, Larry, don't go indulging in subpoenas envy... -- Mine is similar to Mike Andrews's; ten inches long, three inches wide, but white enamel instead of yellow, and somewhat rare ... -- Steve VanDevender in a Monastery DSW ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Politically Motivated Spam Filtering (PMSF) at EFN?
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:59:41AM -0800, Edward Craig wrote: I get the impression that when I forward a message (headers expanded) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it sets my Baysian filter up, and anything it sees that looks like this message gets a spam rating based on its similarity to the forwarded message. Do repeated messages which fail the test add to the negative effect on subsequent similar messages? At the moment spam samples forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are individually examined by the BOFH to confirm that they are sample mails and not, e.g., tech support questions (this test revolves around the issue of whether they address content directly to an admin). Sample mails are placed into a multi-gigabyte directory of sample spams i've received since 2001. I need to feed them to the Bayesian learning mechanism, but have not done so yet, as we've only recently turned on Bayesian support and it's bound to be a lengthy process. Now, because efn users are way too human, they're fully capable of mistaking somebody's legitimate email with a Subj: Hi with spam, sight unseen, for some reason (like maybe seeing way too many spams with a Subj: Hi but instead of an introduction to someone or something of interest, an illustrated discussion of attribute enhancement. Graphic illustration, abbreviated discussion.). So the opposite of spam is tofu, thus the counter-spell to a false spam is to send it, headers expanded, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This should take the bad luck off, but you may need to repeat, and repeat again and again as necessary. That is correct; at the moment they build up in my tofu queue, which will also have to be fed to SpamAssassin. Given the amount of spam coming at us, and how automated I can get about forwarding spam, I'm surprised I notice as few false positives as I do for spam from SpamAssasin and what I'm beginning to regard as my Baysian filter. My conjecture is a similar process for you, so forward the Dean stuff to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as you would spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, if you are getting incorrectly-flagged messages (e.g. from the Dean campaign) please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On another note, in response to a point Marc raised earlier, we've turned down the maximum score that the Bayesian component can give to a potential spam; Bayesian results are no longer sufficient to qualify a message as spam without other hits. -- Networks are like sewers: my job is to make sure your data goes away when you flush, and to stop the rats climbing into your toilet through the pipes. -- Tanuki describes network administration ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Free Monitor (GWoB)
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:30:37PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:45:21PM -0800, Maximillian Von Schwanekamp wrote: don't accept domestic donatinos... WTF? Actually, they don't DO domestic donations. That is, they accept donations (from G3's to tachyon-based equipment to wireless abacuses) from domestic sources but donate to folks in other countries. What could would be a wireless abacus? What else are you going to slide beads across? String maybe? The original abacus ( Greek abax = board ) was a flat area with a grid marked on it, together with some loose beads or pebbles (calculi). You move the pebbles into different grid areas to represent different values. The bead-frame was introduced for portability reasons, but later implementations in the seven-beads-per-column series support some nifty shortcuts in division, as well as allowing faster finger motion over the beads, as it is harder to push rail-mounted beads into the wrong column. On the other hand, the loose-beads-on-a-plane models support arbitrary relationships between columns (this is why the odd conversions between classical measurement units of diffrent orders, and particularly the asymmetric progression of English coinage, was supported as long as it was; with a little practice the transitions across the abacus are easy). I suspect it is no accident that Chinese traditional measurements tend to follow base-ten progressions, while at the same time China was the first culture to standardise on the bead-frame abacus. In the West the killer app that drove standardization on base-ten and algorithmic ( = written out) arithmetic was bookkeeping; with abacus arithmetic the bookkeeper would first enter the records, then calculate on the abacus, then enter the results, but with algorithm he could calculate directly in the ledger, saving a context switch and leaving an audit trail. -- . ... . -- Grains of mysterious beige powder ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]rms endorses Kucinich
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 09:28:28AM -0800, justin bengtson wrote: my respect for the man has just increased slightly... For RMS, or for Kucinich? -- To me it was closer to what one gets from old coffee leftovers which are poured through a used sock into a floor washing bucket. -- Mika Ruohotie, on American coffee ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Microsoft Earnings Report
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:51:31PM -0700, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: Here are a few highlights: M$ is, of course, obliged to cover this in their earnings reports, for about the same reason RedHat had to tell me SCO might eat our lunch and Apple has to tell its shareholders people might get Alar poisoning from licking our interfaces. It's not a sign of imminent doom, so much as a remote-chance covering of behinds. The falling share price and ESR's article on the role of stock-market throughput in M$'s main revenue streams makes it interesting, though... -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]file.mp3?song_ID=1274
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:12:37PM -0700, Dirk Ouellette wrote: I bought and downloaded 6 tunes from www.calabash.com and they came as ; file.mp3?song_ID=1274 1275 1276, et. The first tunes I downloaded from them came as .php and I renamed them .mp3 and they played fine , but though these file.mp3?song_ID=1274 play with xmms, they aren't accepted by my Neuros mp3 portable player. The first mp3's I downloaded were accepted by the player and work fine. Does anyone have any ideas? I emailed Calabash but have no response yet. When you point the file(1) command at them, what do you get? Example, where the prompt is : ; : ; file mozilla-source-1.4.tar.bz2 mozilla-source-1.4.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k The file type may come up as something other than mp3. -- The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something more to them we are missing. -- Gamel Abdel Nasser ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]ssmtp is annoying
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:05:48PM -0700, T. Joseph Carter wrote: For the record, ssmtp is a pain in the ass. It wasn't honouring -f properly the way most programs expect to use it. lyta.dyn.bluecherry.net doesn't actually run a mailserver, intentionally. It can't possibly be all that hard to patch. Hell, it might be a bash script. -- (About Cobalt): They're not servers. They're Fisher-Price toys with delusions of grandeur. One of these days, I'm expecting someone to enter my office with a pull-along version of the Qube. playing a silly little tune as it rolls through the door... -- Chris King, in the Monastery ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Kill Bill Rocks....
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 12:48:32AM -0700, Bob Miller wrote: Linux Rocks ! wrote: So... just got back from seeing Kill Bill... It rocks. Is it about Bill Gates? No; that one is MacArthur Park. This one is the Very Very Violent one. One thing that did displease me with this one, was the introduction of wire work [0] in one major scene. Given the rest of the film's extreme graphicness, the unreality of the wire work was jarring and inconsistent. Other than that, it rocked. [0] For those not fans of martial art films ; stunt work where the actors are suspended with wires, allowing them to appear weightless. Lots of it digitally enhanced in the Matrices, and lots of it more traditionally done in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. -- Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust, by exposing the name, of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors. - George Bush, 41st President of the United States ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Usenet servers?
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:29:25PM -0700, Daniel wrote: Anyone know good usenet servers to use instead of efn? It's true; our feed sucks, or rather, doesn't. We've ordered a better feed; we hope to have it deployed by the end of this week. I've missed a lot of traffic on my favored groups too. -- I've seen video of some loon hammering a nail into his own testicle. Mind you, I've had days when that would seem like a reasonable alternative to being a sysadmin. - Lionel, in the Monastery ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Chezgeek Knoppix?
In former times there were Knoppix ISOs at http://chezgeek.euglug.net/~kbob/knoppix/ now there is just an empty directory. Did i miss an announcement about Knoppix going away? It was cool when it was there. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]funny error messages
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 06:18:05PM -0700, Mr O wrote: Someone needs to fork something similar over to linux. Should be something simple to a programming type person eh? Can you add messages to the list? Perhaps something like Try 'password' you dummy :) That's a standard config option for sudo; the keyword for the config file is insults. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] first draft of a new software license. interested intaking a look?
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:48:47AM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:20:46PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: I understand why you might want a shorter or less verbose license than the GNU GPL It is ILLEGAL, under Copyright law, to misrepresent the authorship of a work, in whole or in part. A license explains the terms, pure and simple. What may I do with this pile of code? What may I not? Do you see problems with the following? # Copyright (c) 2003 Jacob Meuser. All rights reserved. # Redistribution and use with or without modification # are permitted. This software is provided as is. Yes; it does not clarify if you're asserting copyright over Joseph's quoted text. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] workstation OPN
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:43:35AM -0700, Ben Barrett wrote: PS - when is the raffle's drawing? are there still tickets? Early December; yes, you can get them at the efn office, or from Larry. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] workstation OPN
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:43:10PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:40:46PM -0700, Larry Price wrote: It's a pretty nice machine 3ghz , 1gb ram , speakers, dvd-burner + an extra dvd-rom full on gaming, multimedia, everything box. And of course if the lucky winner so requests we'll be happpy to install a real OS for them... I wasn't aware that Apple had released MacOS X for x86 chips.. He was referring to Plan 9. -- I've seen video of some loon hammering a nail into his own testicle. Mind you, I've had days when that would seem like a reasonable alternative to being a sysadmin. - Lionel, in the Monastery ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]House search, reloaded
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 01:54:53PM -0700, Jason wrote: Places under consideration: 2679 Kincaid (south of U) 26th and Kincaid is a fairly nice area; in the foothills. Most likely of what we've seen here to have a yard suitable for a dog, if you have one. Appears from the map to be not far from the dog park near Amazon Park. 2298 Cleveland (west of U) 1985 and 1995 W. 18th (duplexes west of U) ^ Erm, you could say that. Addresses on numbered streets that are near the U have E prefixes. What you describe, i would guess, is near the newer student housing complex off 18th. If the weather is bad (which it often is during the school year) take the bus or drive. Much the same applies to Cleveland, except i'd bet on it having a better yard than the places on 18th. 566 W. 17th That's not far from where i live; quite a nice area, flat, residential (it's a block or so off from Jefferson and from 18th, two-lane but fairly heavy traffic), reasonable bicycle distance from downtown or the U, good DSL range. 1775 Augusta (east of U, ben said this might be a nice area?) Hm; that's on the other side of Hendricks park on the back-slope of a hill from the rest of town. It would be very quiet, quite a rural feel, yet really not far from anything. Might be a big win if need space for animals and some quiet. Probably has poor bus service; might have Eisenhower-era utilities. -- I should be drinking. I will smite your enemies but not while sober. - Megatokyo haiku by smurd ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]breaking Windows, need help
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 02:21:46PM -0700, Mr O wrote: Help! I'm working on a very twisted project which some will laugh and some will groan about. My goal: bring Windows 98SE to it's knees as fast as possible without actually doing anything. How you say? Will so far I have: Gator, Date Manager, Precision Time, Kazaa, Morpheus, Limewire, Weatherbug, Comet Cursor, Bonzi Buddy. What other spyware/adware/crapware is there that I can put on the system. I'm shooting for things that run in the background when you boot the machine. So Limewire and Kaaza aren't really started but I got the free stuff that they come with. Now the system isn't quite a slouch. It has an XP1600 with 512MB of RAM to try and keep it afloat. Maybe in a couple weeks I can try the same thing with XP. Currently system resource top out at about 35% on Startup. I know I can do better/worse than that :) Oh yeah, no antivirus or firewall programs either. Not exactly crapware, but i've managed to suck up a lot of disk, RAM and cpu all at once by simultaneously running dnetc (http://www.distributed.net) running as a Windows service, and Electric Sheep (http://www.electric-sheep.org) running inside dnetc's screensaver multiplexor. These might violate your requirement about not doing anything as they may produce useful output for someone. You could also install a Freenet node. Do you have IIS for your Windoze? -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]SCSI vs. ATA vs. IDE raid for 1 TB storage array
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:13:17PM -0700, Bob Miller wrote: Is the requirement to use maildir format nonnegotiable? For many/most workloads, I'd expect mbox format to run quite a bit faster. If I were you, I'd certainly spend an afternoon benchmarking both formats before committing to maildir. rantIf you were us, mbox and associated bogon-locking would have taken years off your life by now/rant. Mbox is the biggest single embarrassment in the entire history of *NIX, and that's saying a lot. Everything's a file, all right, except your mailbox, which manages to combine in itself the worst aspects of a big file and a database. Feh. What really, really annoys me is that this misdesign was propagated into Plan 9, despite their having decades of opportunity to Know Better. So, in summary, yes, maildir is nonnegotiable. In response to your query about testing, however, i had been using it for some time before we deployed it generally; procmail can be made to do it via configuration files regardless of the system defaults, and it made me very happy. -- Yes, we ARE a bunch of anal, short-tempered, quick to fly-off-the-handle, sarcastic, know-it-alls. That's what running networks does to you. - James Fischer on inet-access ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]W00T!
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 03:08:28AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: I checked the University of Oregon admissions site tonight just to be sure that they didn't want anything else for my application. Saw this (note the indicated lines): ++ | Name and Address | +--+-+ | Name:| Thomas Joseph Carter| +--+-+ || | Application Data | +--+-+ | Application Term:| Fall 2003 | | Application Status: | Admitted| | Decision:| Decision Made | | Level: | Undergraduate | | College: | Arts Sciences, College of | | Major: | Pre-Psychology | | Application Processing Date: | May 20, 2003| +--+-+ Congratulations! -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Die Die My Darling
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 03:20:19PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, I have a server with some processes that are running away and they won't die. How do I stop them? I used: ps axf to see the forest for the trees. procmail was fired off by sendmail to filter some SPAM. I can stop sendmail but procmail won't stop. Killall procmail doesn't work. Killall -9 procmail doesn't work. Killall -9 -v procmail sayes it is stopping procmail but it lies. kill procmail's PID doesn't work. When I rebooted the server last night utilization was over 119. Normally it's closer to 0.1 or 0.3. This morning before anyone logged in, it is just over 31.0. This started the middle of last week. The process! I cannot kill it! I had this problem recently as well, and it was very, *very* annoying as cron had started some monster find jobs on a box that was acting as both a file server and a POP/IMAP server for a sixteen thousand user ISP. AFAICT jobs that are blocking on I/O will sit around waiting for their I/O to happen before they get to processing signals, even signal 9. I had to reboot the box to get those damn find jobs to go away. I suppose someone more 1337 than i might have been able to fiddle directly with the kernel process table... -- Christos anesti ek nekron Thanato thanaton patisas; Kai tis en tis mnimasi Zoin charisamenos! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 01:33:05PM -0700, BAGGAB wrote: Preface: I read yesterday that AOL is partnering with M$ to settle the browser lawsuit. I suspect Mozilla will be toast in a few months. So I'm angry and want to get away from M$ as soon as possible. So here I am, a Linux newbie with a question. Installed RH 8.0 four months ago and I'm still struggling. Some of that struggle was around a SMC barricade router that I ditched (stopped trying to get working) yesterday. Some of that struggle is just life: many personal distractions. I'm telling you this because I don't want you to assume I'm just lazy and I want someone to fix my problem for me. Problem: when I want to logon to internet I use KPPP, but I have to provide my root password for permission. I am concerned about running root permissions while connected to the internet. With all the warnings about operating under root I am assuming that this is a user implemented problem (self inflicted wound.) Certain operations in a UNIX system require root privileges to do; starting a network connection, including a dialup connection, is one of them. While it's appropriate not to use root for ongoing use, it is appropriate to run some commands as root when the time is right. In fact a number of root-privilege programs run constantly while the UNIX system is operating normally. I haven't used KPPP, but it sounds like it prompts for the root password when it runs. I would consider this a safe use of root. It is possible, but more convoluted, to set up sudo to run this so that you would only be prompted for your own account password, or even to run it as root without requiring any password (a practice i would discourage). -- Christos anesti ek nekron Thanato thanaton patisas; Kai tis en tis mnimasi Zoin charisamenos! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]This List and little Pill Choices
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:21:50PM -0700, Tim Howe wrote: I thought Piers Anthony wrote Total Recall... I remember a pill in that one. AAUGH! A parallel universe where Piers Anthony wrote We Can Remember It For You Wholesale and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?! I can only wonder; over there did William S. Burroughs write Hop on Pop? -- Christos anesti ek nekron Thanato thanaton patisas; Kai tis en tis mnimasi Zoin charisamenos! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]HB2892 Made The Oregonian
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 08:02:43AM -0800, Jim Darrough wrote: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country John F. Kennedy Ask not what you can do that your country cannot do; nor what your country can do that you cannot do; ask rather what cannot be done either by you *or* your country, whichever is greater - Dave Barry Slept Here: A Sort Of History Of The United States -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]strange telnet/ssh behavour...
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 10:04:13AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Linux Rocks ! wrote: Doesnt this mean that it checks my /etc/hosts, then checks DNS for finding hostnames? Yes. But keep in mind that /etc/hosts doesn't understand domain names. If you have a hosts entry for lizardhead, but use the hostname lizardhead.example.net, libresolv won't realize they're the same host. You can tell it as much in /etc/hosts, it just won't figure it out on its own. Entries like 192.168.0.1 lizardhead lizardhead.example lizardhead.example.net will work. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]vulnerable.org WTH?
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 06:07:41PM -0800, Roger wrote: Around Wed,Mar 19 2003, at 09:29, Patrick R. Wade, wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 08:50:15PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Wow, check out this cool new website I found: http://vulnerable.org I think you can ssh in, too -- use your own password!! very nice... very nice indeed. I feel there must be a fun story behind how DNS's get something without me getting a whois entry. Anyone know? The primary responsibility for .org has moved, so most whois clients are behind the times. Try : ; whois -h whois.publicinterestregistry.org vulnerable.org I will see if i can update the whois wrapper i got from Steve VanDevender and distribute it to EUG-LUG. I updated it, not sure the original author. It's only 3k, so hope the attachment is no problem. It was written by Steve VanDevender from the U of O. I believe it's Open Source, but i'll ask him at lunch tomorrow. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]vulnerable.org WTH?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 08:50:15PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Wow, check out this cool new website I found: http://vulnerable.org I think you can ssh in, too -- use your own password!! very nice... very nice indeed. I feel there must be a fun story behind how DNS's get something without me getting a whois entry. Anyone know? The primary responsibility for .org has moved, so most whois clients are behind the times. Try : ; whois -h whois.publicinterestregistry.org vulnerable.org I will see if i can update the whois wrapper i got from Steve VanDevender and distribute it to EUG-LUG. A note on the example syntax with the prompt as : ; In VMS DCL, the default prompt is $ , dollarsign-space, which is a semantic null in DCL. As a consequence, a newbie can cut-and-paste the example $ DEL *.*,* prompt and all, and have it work as well as typing the command del *.*,* I have taken to using : ; as a prompt in examples i type to achieve the same effect, at least in Bourne-compatible *NIX shells. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]oss to design patentable inventions
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 05:54:51AM +, Bob Crandell wrote: f77? Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: gcc? ed? -- :wq! ? ^X^C ? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Re: TiVo series 2
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 12:18:50AM -0800, Mr O wrote: Find me a 2Ghz P4 for that price!! You'll only find Celeron boxes that cheap. A mobo/CPU combo can be had for as little as $199 if you're willing to buy crap and add some more crap parts and maybe you'll get under the $500 barrier but only using crappy crap parts. BTW, Celeron's only have 128K cache where as the newest P4's have 512K cache. Big diff when it comes to encoding. --- Patrick R. Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, i have been led to believe that 2GHz boxen have been available for $400 for quite some time ; pretty much since production 2GHz chips were released :-) Note: in the inequality x $400 this side is greater than that side -- Mine is similar to Mike Andrews's; ten inches long, three inches wide, but white enamel instead of yellow, and somewhat rare ... -- Steve VanDevender in a Monastery DSW ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Re: Freaky and Naked on the Net
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 07:44:00PM -0800, Horst wrote: Ben, you put together some interesting thoughts and links (I just finished the motherjones article and had to resist the temptation of quoting about half of it right here. Instead, let's get concrete and ask the best ISP in town (EFN) a few questions: ~ for EFN ~~~ - Have your records, logs, etc. ever been subpoenaed ? On two occasions that i recall, we have been presented with court orders requesting information about members ; one was a search warrant served by a sherriff's deputy, and one was a subpoena duces tecum. We have had several other threats/demands that never resulted in delivered paperwork. - Are you legally able, and willing to comment on such issues ? (I understand, that's pretty generally phrased (I am not a lawyer) -maybe EFN has some general policy on the subject that is public ? ) Our general policy is that we will comply with valid court orders, and will not reveal private information without one. - For how long are dialup logs kept (the userID-dynIP-timestamp connection) ? About 90 days, unless we need to cycle the logs sooner. Some will also appear in the backup tapes for a further 90 days. end for EFN -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Re: TiVo series 2
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 07:22:13PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Granted, encoding is being done by the CPU, but 2GHz boxen can be had for $400 now! Actually, i have been led to believe that 2GHz boxen have been available for $400 for quite some time ; pretty much since production 2GHz chips were released :-) -- UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]http://www.eugeneweekly.com/news.html#news1
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:49:56PM -0800, Linux Rocks ! wrote: So... anybody read the weekly today? there are 2 articles that pertain to EFN. http://www.eugeneweekly.com/news.html#news1 The other is about an EFN user ... see if can find it. That would be http://www.eugeneweekly.com/news.html#shorts3 about longtime efn supporter Chris Attneave. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug] What euglug is about (was: Is there anybody besides..)
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:13:30PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 05:04:27AM +, Bob Crandell wrote: vi ?!? Ugh! Gag! Puke! Real men use pico. Are you sure you don't mean (ick! gag! puke!) ed? Ed is the standard text editor. See http://gammatron.novarese.net/txt/ed.html -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Two Towers (and subtitles)
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:39:57AM -0800, Linux Rocks ! wrote: On Friday 20 December 2002 03:31 am, Joseph Carter wrote: : On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:46:46AM -0800, Linux Rocks! wrote: : Ill wait for the dvd :) I like Joe... I do find it amusing that a man : that is legally blind (5' pole and all) keeps inviting poeple to movies : : :) : : You know, even totally blind people do things like watch TV and the like. yep! and use computers too! EFN has has a workstation for the visually impaired for 5 years or so... : : There are also an increasing number of described audio programs for the : blind. CSI, for example, is available with described audio - every TV : made in the past decade or so has a function called SAP (Secondary Audio : Program), which often used to be used for offering both English and : Spanish audio for the same show at the same time. If you watch CSI (the : only show that comes to mind immediately as having it), try watching it : with SAP enabled. It might be buried under a menu or something. Really... cool... Im aware of SAP, but I didnt know about described audeo. TV's with builtin subtitlle function are popular with foriegn students. Its easier for them to understand whats going on, sometimes its hard to understand the speech part, and they can read anything they may miss.. : : : I say in the exact middle of the very front row for The Two Towers, BTW, : on account of the subtitles I knew would be present. I was able to read : them just fine from where I sat. Obviously this means I need a movie : theater in my room for watching subtitled anime, right? =D I hate subtitles... one of the really cool features of dvd's is that you can enable/disable subtitles, listen in many languages. I watched Metropolis (the anime/computer gen movie, not the old black and white). I was impressed as it ws subtitled in about 6 languages, as well as dubbed in that many too! For my part i find subtitles very helpful when watching at home, either due to background noise or due to the sucky quality of my TV audio (and when the original is !english, i CAN'T STAND dubbing; let me hear the actors!). I've found myself turning on Closed Captioning on the TV more and more since i started studying ASL, i don't know if there's a correlation (of course, the CC can add an unintentional element of humor as the keyboardist struggles to keep up with a live broadcast ...). Some Deaf activists have pointed out that CC on public TVs in gyms, bars, lobbies etc has done some good in making people aware of the accessibility issues of TV. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Meeting on the 26th?
Are we having a meeting on Dec 26th to show off our new toys? -- Mine is similar to Mike Andrews's; ten inches long, three inches wide, but white enamel instead of yellow, and somewhat rare ... -- Steve VanDevender in a Monastery DSW ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Any Key!!
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 10:02:49PM -0800, Mike O wrote: So I'm searching for frequencies for Larry's monitor and I come across this FAQ: http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859 I just want to know how often it's asked. As a followup, when will EMACS support the Any key for keyboard shortcuts? We've already got Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift and Super and Hyper ... -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]SSID for efn office wireless?
So, i gather that wireless networking has been set up in the efn office. Anyone know what the SSID is? -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]What time?
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 04:03:11PM -0800, Mike O wrote: date What about setting the time in the BIOS? Will both OS's recognize that properly? Traditionally, on *NIX-only boxen you set the firmware time to UTC. Local time in Eugene (PST) is UTC -8. Conventional wisdom moreover suggests that the OS from Redmond does not understand setting the time zone in the OS and thus will report whatever it gets from the BIOS; on my dual boot boxen i set the BIOS time to local zone time. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Support opportunity in Portland area
An acquaintance of mine in the Portland area needs some help with her computer, both in terms of getting it working in a hardware sense and in terms of followup support, and i just couldn't shoehorn any more obligations into my own schedule. Is there anyone on this list who might be interested in helping her out for a fee? If so, let me know and i'll put y'all in contact. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]RT pointers?
So i'm trying to get RT [0] set up to do ticketing. The software install has gone in a straightforward manner, but now i'm facing the phase of setting up some queues and configuring them, and i find the documentation somwhere between spartan and nonexistent. If anyone has set up a working RT install before, could they email me so i can engage them in some dialogue and move towards the truth? [0] http://www.fsck.com/projects/rt -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-lug mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]EFN DSL
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:33:51AM -0700, Tim Howe wrote: if it's available here, I'll get it, but I am curious how the netork is configured. Who should I talk to about that? If you ask us here, we can probably get you the answers. Your question is a little vague; the first answer i want to give is DHCP (i.e., an ethernet cable comes out of your DSL endpoint and attaches to the NIC on your host, you fire up a DHCP client and pull data, and you're all set). -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. ___ Eug-lug mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[EUG-LUG:3747] Re: Fwd: spamming
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 12:59:25PM -0700, Rob Hudson wrote:
- Forwarded message from Tom Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
From: Tom Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: spamming
my server is being used to spam. What can I do to stop this from
happening? I am fairly new to linux. Thanks for the help
- End forwarded message -
I assume you are experiencing relay rape, the spam is being propagated
by third parties outside your network (if it's being done by users inside
your network, stopping them is pretty straightforward :-).
Your best approach to stopping spammers from abusing your mail server depends
on what you need the server to do. If your users get their main mail from
the Internet into your mail server, then you need to configure the mail server
to accept local mail but not relay remote mail. You can get some good resources
on doing this at http://www.mail-abuse.org/tsi/
If you do not need your mailserver to accept mail for your users, than it might
be best not to run it in server mode. Sendmail certainly, and i believe most
other Linux mail server software, can be set up to run on an as-needed basis
to send outgoing mail, without listening for incoming mail. One piece of
software i like for this mission is ssmtp; it cannot run as a server and is
only sophisticated enough to take local mail and pass it off to a smart host
(e.g. the mailserver of your ISP).
If you let us know what mail server software you are using and what overall
mission it needs to accomplish, we can give you some more advice.
If your problem is not due to mailserver abuse but due to some other exploit
(like the HTTP CONNECT exploit for web proxies that's been popular lately),
get back in touch and we'll take it from there. If you're not sure how the
spammers are doing it, see if you can find some spams with full headers
(see http://www.efn.org/helpdesk/abuse/headers.shtml for some words on this),
perhaps from abuse reports (you can edit out personal details if you like),
and we'll try to diagnose it.
--
if(rp-p_flagSSWAP) {
rp-p_flag = ~SSWAP;
aretu(u.u_ssav);
}
[EUG-LUG:3662] Re: meeting tonight?
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:55:03PM -0700, Larry Price wrote: Thor's day meetings may resume once this class is over, but then again I might want to take classes at UO... Won't those meetings involve a lot of electrical issues? And perhaps the malleting of spammers? -- UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS.
[EUG-LUG:3476] RE: The Code (film)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 02:54:09PM -0700, Barker, Gerald A (MD) wrote: Is this the Linux movie that was shown a few months ago? I couldn't go then for some reason. Has anyone heard of The Code? Is it any good? This is not the same film; that film was RevolutionOS. This is the first i've heard of this other film... -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:3366] Re: i/o error on efn
On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 01:00:54PM -0700, Benjamin Huot wrote: chmod 7555 bbmat.cgi chmod: bbmat.cgi: I/O error chmod 7555 ? Are you sure you didn't want chmod 755 (three digits)? I think 7555 is trying to do something unusual (if it's the same as 4000 + 2000 + 1000 it would set UID, set GID and set sticky-bit ...). -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:3352] Re: hacking power plants....
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 10:10:10AM -0700, Jim Darrough wrote: NRC would have a Heart Attack if a plant was online. I would hope so. But the entire notion of making any sort of infrastructural controller (hydroelectric, telco, etc) Internet accessible is so boneheaded that once i can accept that anyone did it i have sudden concern about other supposedly clueful organizations... -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:3327] Re: Pizza Saturday?
On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 08:12:44AM -0700, Linux Rocks ! wrote: you boot your lawn with grub? wow... maybe I aught to look at grub again! I like lilo, but Ive never heard of it booting a lawn. You aren't familiar with the Lawn Installer and LOader? -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:3312] Re: vi
On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 08:59:00PM -0700, Larry Price wrote: emacs on the other hand has a much better UI and gives you a fair amount of teaching ctrl-h T once emacs is running will tell you all you need to know. and if you need to quit ctrl-x ctrl-c will get you out. Just hope and pray you don't get bitten by terminal emulation bogosity (every time i try to search my emacs locks up...) -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:3169] Re: DSL and KPPP
On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 08:39:16PM -0700, Benjamin Huot wrote: Could I set up EFNs ReachDSL with KPPP? Is there any graphical interface to set up this? Hm; i haven't worked with KPPP, but i don't think ReachDSL would require even that much front end. All you need is: 1. a working ethernet connector at your end; and 2. some sort of DHCP client software, like pump or dhcpclient you just plug everything in and fire off the DHCP client. For example, in my laptop, i have a PCMCIA ethernet card, and there is a script called /etc/pcmcia/network that automatically starts pump when the ethernet card is activated. -- Nulla potest mulier tantum se dicere amatam| vere, quantum a me Lesbia amata mea est. | Catullus 87 Nulla fides ullo fuit umquam foedere tanta,| quanta in amore tuo ex parte reperta mea est. |
[EUG-LUG:3170] Re: 56k modem router
On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 10:51:53AM -0700, Benjamin Huot wrote: How would it work to set up a Linux compatible 56k modem (I already have that) up to the nix box and route it through ethernet to my laptop? That would work too; do you alredy have a home network set up? -- Nulla potest mulier tantum se dicere amatam| vere, quantum a me Lesbia amata mea est. | Catullus 87 Nulla fides ullo fuit umquam foedere tanta,| quanta in amore tuo ex parte reperta mea est. |
[EUG-LUG:2827] Re: Getting more life from your old hardware
On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 09:54:09AM -0700, Ronald LeVine wrote: Does anyone actually use linux instead of just doing installs We seem to talk a lot about how this thingy is cool and that distro has a lot of cool features. but, how many of us are actually using linux on a daily basis without constantly futsing with it? I do almost all my daily work from a laptop running Debian 2.2. This mostly involves xterms ssh (to connect to varous efn.hosts and run shells there), mozilla, and emacs. I am sometimes obliged to use VNC to connect to a Windows NT box to use our in-house member database (the client is currently windows-only, alas). -- Christos anesti ek nekron Thanato thanaton patisas; Kai tis en tis mnimasi Zoin charisamenos!
[EUG-LUG:2685] Re: Gentoo round III
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:46:50AM -0700, Bob Miller wrote: Granted, Linux's man pages suck. Sentence is overly specific; try s/Linux's// -- Christos anesti ek nekron Thanato thanaton patisas; Kai tis en tis mnimasi Zoin charisamenos!
[EUG-LUG:2543] Re: LTSP meeting EUGLUG meeting
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 09:59:35AM -0700, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Yeah... gosh I cant count the number of times some hottie has gotten all exited while looking over named.conf I've got this neat math concept to lay on you then, it's an integer less than one... -- UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS.
[EUG-LUG:2544] Re: LTSP Name contest...
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 08:27:26PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: I've been trying to come up with some way to use RICH to stand for high value for low cost. Can somebody else? Reduced Input, Copious Happiness? -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:2305] Re: EFN DNS #'s
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 08:49:53AM -0700, Ben Barrett wrote: whois efn.org responds with: (well this bit is at the end of the whois) NS.EFN.ORG 206.163.176.26 NS1.EFN.ORG 206.163.176.17 NS2.EFN.ORG 206.163.176.18 PHLOEM.UOREGON.EDU 128.223.32.35 Try the numbers on the right... you might ping them from the command line, to make sure they're alive before you try to get them to resolve names for you... EFN, anyone? Those are reasonable values to use. Some commentary: 1. It's best if you can get this data from the server, e.g. during your PPP negotiation (our termservers will offer it). 2. If you can't get it from the server, it's better to use the RFC1918 address you hade (192.168.37.186). The reason these approaches are better is that they are more portable; if we have to renumber over the weekend due to an unplanned disappearance of our existing address space (and our vendor, Verio, did exactly that to us three or four years ago), these solutions will still work, while if you use the numbers from the WHOIS, you may need to renumber if we do. 3. U of O lets us (and several other local ISPs) use phloem as a secondary DNS server. This may change in the future. 4. EFN nameservers do not respond to ICMP, so pinging them will not tell you that they are up. Fire off dig or nslookup at them to see if they are offering name service instead. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:2310] Re: Was: Wi-Fi Now: OpenBSD 3.1
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:03:13PM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote:
OpenBSD 3.1 will be released June 1, 2002. Snapshots (VERY close to
what will be the official release) are still on OpenBSD mirrors.
flamebait
Will it still be r00table in that it supports an omnipotent root account?
/flamebait
--
if(rp-p_flagSSWAP) {
rp-p_flag = ~SSWAP;
aretu(u.u_ssav);
}
[EUG-LUG:2224] Insanely Great, or just Insane?
So, one of my pet peeves with using emacs to do my editing tasks on various efn hosts is that due to OS diversity the emacs install is never the same on any two hosts, leading to a plethora of complications; it's often easier to bite the bullet and use vi. Today i was reading the O'Reilly SSH book's discussion of ssh-agent and agent forwarding, and i began to wonder if a similar mechanism might be implemented with gnuserv and emacsclient, with some sort of forwarding agent, so that when, on host foo, i fired off $ emacsclient file.txt file.txt would be opened for editing in the emacs session on my local host... -- UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS.
[EUG-LUG:2212] Re: SSSCA (or whatever it is now)
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 02:50:35PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: Passing the SSSCA is like putting a regulator on every car preventing it from breaking traffic regulartions. I have *got* to take up using this... -- Yes, we ARE a bunch of anal, short-tempered, quick to fly-off-the-handle, sarcastic, know-it-alls. That's what running networks does to you. - James Fischer on inet-access
[EUG-LUG:1976] Re: Shell one-liner poser
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:09:12PM -0800, Larry Price wrote:
The Problem:
I wanted to send myself a listing of files in a directory from a remote
machine.
How I solved it:
$ ls -l /path/foo bar
$ mail -slisting of /path/foo [EMAIL PROTECTED] bar
How I tried to solve it:
snip
more exotic variants:
$ mail -sblah [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ls -l /path/foo)
unexpected token '('
Try that with no space between and ( ; under bash and zsh, should
give you process substitution, the part outside the ( ) sees a file
named /dev/fd/NNN , containing the output of the command inside.
I'm not familiar with an equivalent for classic Bourne shell, you
might have to do
$ ls -l /path | mail -s output [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:1846] Re: In Vim we trust
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:32:14PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: Found this today and thought it was cute... Ed, man! !man ed From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick J. LoPresti) Subject: The True Path (long) Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and 'foo File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time. Ed, man! !man ed ED(1) UNIX Programmer's ManualED(1) NAME ed - text editor SYNOPSIS ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ] DESCRIPTION Ed is the standard text editor. --- Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED! Ed is the standard text editor. And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed -rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!! Ed is the standard text editor. Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed: golem$ ed ? help ? ? ? quit ? exit ? bye ? hello? ? eat flaming death ? ^C ? ^C ? ^D ? --- Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity. Ed is the standard text editor. Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all. ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!! When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a viitor. Not a emacsitor. Those aren't even WORDS ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!! TEXT EDITOR. When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their edlin on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard. Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED VISUAL EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!! ? -- :wq! ? ^X^C ?
[EUG-LUG:1711] Diddling order of init scripts on Debian 2.2
My situation: ever since i started using GNOME with GDM, i've been annoyed that the GDM startup interfered with my view of the tail end of the bootup messages. Since my last apt-get upgrade, things have gotten worse; GDM starts up on VC 2, and promptly forgets how to accept keyboard input. Since X historically tries to appear on the VC after the last one (i.e., if you have getty on VC 1-6, X appears on VC7), this symptom makes me think that GDM is trying to spawn before init has quite figured out what to do with the VCs. I want to try and deal with this by delaying the GDM startup to the end of the init sequence, which i gather i can do by increasing the number on the SNNgdm scripts in /etc/rcN.d ; is there much prospect of me shooting myself in the foot or otherwise spectacularly screwing up by doing this? -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:1715] Re: Diddling order of init scripts on Debian 2.2
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 09:07:59PM -0800, Kahli R. Burke wrote: I think the only real rule here is that the order of dependecies should match. Moving a service like gdm (I don't think anything depends on this) should be fine. If it doesn't work, just change it back. I'm not convinced that this will solve your problem though... Well, i made the change, and now gdm is doing what i wanted :-) On to the next trick ; integrating gdm and ssh-agent... -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:1609] Re: ssh (?from EFN?)
On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 10:29:41PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: You may be running into the fact that efn filters incoming connections to privileged ports (1024) with the exception of ident(113). No; he is connecting *from* efn to an address outside efn. BTW, i can't ping or traceroute to that address right now; is it static? garcia$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -v -v -- [D]omain name registration comes with its own bogon flux. Some days I think that, when I became a DNS administrator, they forgot to issue me the regulation big floppy shoes and red nose. -Malcolm Ray in SDM
[EUG-LUG:1270] Re: BSD on the laptop...
On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 07:13:34PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 12:03:34PM -0800, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Gee... havnt seen any posts in the last 24 hours That's odd, I sent a couple of responses ... my maillog says they were delivered ... ListProc on efn spent much of the day being unhappy; one of the files to which it needed to write was owned by root. We are working on establishing why that happened (current guess is Stupid Admin Tricks). -- UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS.
[EUG-LUG:1247] Re: domain registrars
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:14:17PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: Is someone on this list an OpenSRS Registration Service Provider, or does someone know of one? I thought this was discussed in the not so distant past, but the ml archives aren't answering this for me. EFN is not yet, but this year will be, a functional OpenSRS provider. (At the time we are a not-quite-functional one...) (But I did see a post by Seth about LUGE :) I always figured we could be LUGE, and then pronounce it either like the Olympic event or like loogey... -- If my son wants to be a pimp when he grows up, that's fine with me. I hope he's a good one and enjoys it and doesn't get caught. I'll support him in this. But if he wants to be a network administrator, he's out of the house and not part of my family. Steve Wozniak, http://www.woz.org
[EUG-LUG:1148] Re: sysvinit code
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 03:41:52PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: Also reminded of Cronos and the titanomachia...guess you have to have some liberal arts in the background to get that one. That's the allegorical history of *BSD, innit? -- Caeli, Lesbia nostra, Lesbia illa, / illa Lesbia, quam Catullus unam plus quam se atque suos amavit omnes, / nunc in quadriviis et angiportis glubit magnanimi Remi nepotes. -- Catullus 58
[EUG-LUG:1074] Re: Folding@home: Team EUGLUG in top 40!
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:04:39AM -0800, Christopher Maujean wrote: Who needs keyboards. grab a serial cable and bring up the console on ttyS0 On b0rked hardware platforms like x86, software serial console will not let you access the BIOS or provide other needed functions; you need the console most when the OS is hosed. We have acquired a PCWeasel to provide hardware serial console on the x86 platform (it replaces the video card), and have been very happy with it: http://www.realweasel.com OpenBSD fans will be pleased to hear it comes from Canada. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:1076] Re: Folding@home: Team EUGLUG in top 40!
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 12:29:30PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Patrick R. Wade wrote: We have acquired a PCWeasel to provide hardware serial console on the x86 platform (it replaces the video card), and have been very happy with it: http://www.realweasel.com I would love to see a PCWeasel in action. Maybe you could show it off next time we're at EFN. Do you only have one? I believe we could do that. We only have one so far, but we plan to get them for all our machine room x86 boxen. The realweasel.com site has a demo where one can telnet to a crashbox with a PCWeasel installed. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:930] Parental Advisory: Explicit Software
http://www.adminbase.net/~inorog/dead-rat-800x600.jpg I have to wonder *what* rating OpenBSD would get if it were on the shelf... -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:886] Re: quad athlon boards
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:07:51PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: justin bengtson wrote: one of which i assume you have. any problems with linux? I have a TigerMP, the cheaper one. There were no Linux problems. When I installed Mandrake 8,1, it just worked. When I moved my RedHat 6.1 disk onto it, I simply built an SMP kernel and was running. Oh, okay, there is one problem. An SMP kernel doesn't power down the system when you halt it. You have to press and hold down the power button. Does the SysRq thing work for poweroff? I was having trouble with the ACPI BIOS on my laptop not always powering off correctly after shutdown -h, but alt-sysrq-o did the trick. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:891] Re: quad athlon boards
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:17:20PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Patrick R. Wade wrote: Does the SysRq thing work for poweroff? I was having trouble with the ACPI BIOS on my laptop not always powering off correctly after shutdown -h, but alt-sysrq-o did the trick. Thanks, I'll try it. Do you type that before or after you type halt? After. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:838] Re: 'nother Debian question
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:30:23AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: How can I find out what a Debian package is? In an RPM based system, you can use rpm -qi $package to learn about it. Here's an example. $ rpm -qi wget ... Description : GNU Wget is a file retrieval utility which can use either the HTTP or FTP protocols. Wget features include the ability to work in the background while you're logged out, recursive retrieval of directories, file name wildcard matching, remote file timestamp storage and comparison, use of Rest with FTP servers and Range with HTTP servers to retrieve files over slow or unstable connections, support for Proxy servers, and configurability. Install wget if you need to retrieve large numbers of files with HTTP or FTP, or if you need a utility for mirroring web sites or FTP directories. How would I get the same information in Debian? It has several thousand packages, and there are at least three that I don't know anything about. (-: dpkg -l will show a package's installation status, and dpkg -p will print out a blurb about it; bofh@bugblatter:~$ dpkg -p wget Package: wget Priority: optional Section: web Installed-Size: 558 Maintainer: Nicolás Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 1.5.3-3 Depends: libc6 (= 2.1) Filename: dists/potato/main/binary-i386/web/wget_1.5.3-3.deb Size: 227728 MD5sum: 1fd5341edf1e673109861de1aff585ed Description: utility to retrieve files from the WWW via HTTP and FTP Wget [formerly known as Geturl] is a freely available network utility to retrieve files from the World Wide Web using HTTP and FTP, the two most widely used Internet protocols. It works non-interactively, thus enabling work in the background, after having logged off. . The recursive retrieval of HTML pages, as well as FTP sites is supported -- you can use Wget to make mirrors of archives and home pages, or traverse the web like a WWW robot (Wget understands /robots.txt). Larry has posted something about using apt for a front end to this. You can also fire up good ol' dselect and search for the package name; the blurb will be in the window at the bottom of the screen. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:748] Re: Break out the Tandy
On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:15:31PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: 2. If you dropped a deck of cards, you could spend a couple of hours putting them back in order. If you were wise enough to put sequence numbers on your cards, you could feed them through a card sorter, a machine about seven or eight feet long by one foot wide, that read the numbers in a single column and sorted the cards into ten bins. Repeat for each digit of your sequence numbers (typically eight). It would still take ten-fifteen minutes to sort 1,000 cards. I recall reading about a programmer who had written his FORTRAN such that each card ended with a GOTO to the next card, with the result that his program could be shuffled before input and would still compile... -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:461] Re: Fw: [lug] OSDL is hiring
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:50:47PM -0800, Seth Cohn wrote: The OSDL (Open Source Development Lap) is hiring: So should i pass this along to my cat then? Are purring skills required? -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
[EUG-LUG:267] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:15:50PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup. Long ago before that. We didn't even HAVE email groups then. I think we met at Allan Brothers the first time, right James? That's my memory... -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
