Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?
I went by the store a couple of days ago and they gave me a Mother's day flyer with a 25% off coupon. It's only good for next weekend. On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > Bill, > Thanks - I am planning to convert my Lead-Acid pack to Li later this > year > as it has been deteriorating after 16,500 miles and 4 years of almost > daily commute, so I probably will need to make new cables for that > conversion. > I printed your coupon and noticed that it is valid till end this week, > then I came home and found the weekly junk mail stash in the mailbox - > but the back page caught my eye: Harbor Freight ads and a 20% off > coupon, > only the paper coupon is valid till July! > Probably that the digital coupon will get renewed every week or so, but > it was a nice coincidence to get both at the same day! > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info > > http://www.proxim.com > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of > this message is prohibited. > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via > EV > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:30 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp? > > Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain > price: > http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html > For $55 there is no reason to use a hammer crimper. > > I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same > manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with > zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little > effort. > > Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44: > http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html > > Bill D. > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160503/44e3efbc/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Oil's 'no-EVs' EU push> similar to their 1990's 'no-EVs' to CARB
"VW and Shell have been accused of trying to block Europe’s push for electric cars and more efficient cars, by saying biofuels should be at heart of efforts to green the industry instead." If Shell believes that, let them fund and profit from it -Chris On May 3, 2016 3:02:09 AM CDT, brucedp5 via EVwrote: > > >% Shell doth protest too much, methinks (& threatened to sue) ... >?Anyone remember the mtbe debacle? >(Fuel discussions are OT on the evdl) % > >http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/28/vw-and-shell-try-to-block-eu-push-for-cleaner-cars >VW and Shell accused of trying to block EU push for electric cars >28 April 2016 Arthur Neslen > > * This article was amended on 29 April to include comment from Shell >which said it was not blocking an EU push for electric cars. The >headline >and opening sentence of the article were also changed to reflect this. >* > >[image / Jan Woitas/EPA >https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0176dbdc498e6930c144f68a0d1c604466e9268d/0_120_4096_2458/master/4096.jpg?w=1065=55=format=12=max=8609818828033b3ea899d586acdcb08b >The industry study assumes a lack of public appetite for electric cars, >despite 400,000 pre-orders for Telsa’s new Model 3 >] > >Industry giants’ call for biofuels over electric and fuel-efficient >cars >puts Europe’s carbon emissions targets at risk, say experts > >VW and Shell have been accused of trying to block Europe’s push for >electric >cars and more efficient cars, by saying biofuels should be at heart of >efforts to green the industry instead. > >The EU is planning two new fuel efficiency targets for 2025 and 2030 to >help >meet promises made at the Paris climate summit last December. > >But executives from the two industrial giants launched a study on >Wednesday >night proposing greater use of biofuels, CO2 car labelling, and the >EU’s >emissions trading system (ETS) instead. > >In reality, such a package would involve the end of meaningful new >regulatory action on car emissions for more than a decade, EU sources >say >... > >The Auto Fuels Coalition study, written by Roland Berger, makes a >series of >highly pessimistic assumptions about the costs of fuel efficiency >improvements, and equally optimistic ones about greenhouse gas >emissions >from biofuels. A recent EU study found the dirtiest biofuels three >times >more polluting than diesel. > >An EU source said: “these two industries have realised they have a >shared >interest. When you saw who was paying for the study, you knew what the >answer would be.” ... > >Campaigners point out that signs of an electric vehicles take-off this >spring have included 400,000 pre-orders for the new Tesla’s Model 3, as >well >as a bid by the Dutch parliament to ban petrol and diesel engines by >2025. >On Thursday Germany promised a €1bn subsidy boost for electric cars. > >Yet the industry study assumes a lack of public appetite for electric >cars >over the next decade continuing until 5m urban recharging centres have >been >installed and renewable electricity prices fall from current rates. > >Dr Christoph Wolff, the managing director of the European Climate >Foundation, told the Guardian: “Electrification is taking off rapidly >in >markets such as China, Norway and the Netherlands. EU policymakers need >to >agree stringent measures, which will push the auto sector towards >developing >products that are fit to compete in this fast-evolving marketplace.” > >Saudi Arabia’s recent declaration that it would detach itself from oil >dependence by 2030 was heralded by campaigners as such a development. >The >increasing cost-competitiveness of renewables has been another ... > >The Dutch oil giant [Shell] has invested heavily in Brazilian ethanol >and >[Shell VP] Crooks stressed that biofuels would ... requiring [EU] >policy >incentives ... > >By 2021, no new cars will be allowed to emit more than 95 grams of CO2 >per >kilometre, but electrification and widescale renewable electricity will >be >needed to approach zero emissions levels. > >Carlos Calvo Ambel, an analyst for the Transport and Environment >thinktank, >said that Europe would miss its greenhouse gas targets altogether if it >followed the Auto Fuels Coalition paper’s advice. > >“Carmakers, oil companies and biofuels producers are making a desperate >bid >to dissuade Europe from undertaking fuel efficiency standards for cars, >vans >and trucks, a push for electric vehicles and many of the other badly >needed >actions in the transport sector,” he said. >[© 2016 Guardian News and Media] >... >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks >The lady doth protest too much, methinks >... >[dated] >https://www.google.com/search?q=mtbe+disaster >mtbe debacle/disaster >https://www.google.com/search?q=mtbe+debacle >% Oil pushed hard for mtbe % > > > >For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: >http://evdl.org/evln/ > > >{brucedp.150m.com} > >-- >View this message in context:
Re: [EVDL] Oil's 'no-EVs' EU push> similar to their 1990's 'no-EVs' to CARB
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Upgraded 2016 Tesla-S 90D is the first 300mi/483km production Electric car
> On May 3, 2016, at 12:47 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV> wrote: > > If you feel uncomfortable about backing up traffic, you can be nice and pull > over every few miles to let the queue pass you. But you're under no > obligation to do so. > I believe this is not the case in California. I missed this question on my drivers test. The choices to the question of how many cars had to be in line behind you on a two lane road before you had to pull over and let them pass, were 3, 5, and some higher numbers. I answered 3, the correct answer was 5. I would have answered 1, or 2, but they weren't options. Ed ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Upgraded 2016 Tesla-S 90D is the first 300mi/483km production Electric car
On 3 May 2016 at 15:08, Chris Tromley via EV wrote: > I'm guessing a smaller, lighter car won't suffer the disadvantage of > yanking roughly 5000# up to speed, and that means it does better in > town than on the highway. Past a certain weight threshold maybe higher > but steady speed makes for more efficiency? That would affect rolling resistance, for sure. But I'm not sure how inertia affects EPA measurements. They run the vehicles on a dynamometer. I know they try to simulate friction and aero resistance. I don't know what they do about inertia. BTW, in reading up on EPA testing, I learned that they now DO have a cycle that's carried out with the aircon on, and one that's run with heat on. Interesting info on the whole process here : http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-truth-about-epa-city-highway-mpg- estimates http://v.gd/YAYXDp So how efficient is the Tesla's HVAC? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Upgraded 2016 Tesla-S 90D is the first 300mi/483km production Electric car
On 3 May 2016 at 8:53, tomw via EV wrote: > The S uses quite a bit more power on accessories than most conversions, > and most drivers likely usually have climate control on. But that wouldn't affect EPA range ratings, would it? Aren't those measured with aircon and other stuff turned off? Or is it burning off energy on accessories that CAN'T be turned off? That would kind of stink. :-( > It also has a very low drag coefficient, so low that it has the same > CdA as my little Suzuki Swift. That, and its 4700+ lb weight results in > its drag and rolling resistance forces being equal at around 60-65 mph > compared to around 45 mph for most vehicles. Yeah, I'd forgotten, it's (please forgive me) an obscenely heavy car. So friction losses are dominant. Hmm. > The energy/mile used moving at ~ constant speed in city driving would > have to be low enough relative to highway driving to compensate for > that energy lost during each acceleration, and that will depend on > distance driven between stop/starts. Here again, the EPA method enforces a formula. So I wouldn't think this would affect Teslas more than other EVs. What is incontestable is that the Leaf's city range is greater than its highway range, but the Tesla's city range is SHORTER. It's hard to avoid the notion that a Tesla acts more like an ICEV than other EVs do, wasting a significant amount of energy "idling." Ouch. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Upgraded 2016 Tesla-S 90D is the first 300mi/483km production Electric car
On 2 May 2016 at 19:42, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > Around here (Idaho), the highways have a speed limit of 55 to 65 mph, and the > freeway has a speed limit of 65 or 80 mph. On any of those, you would have > people backed up far behind you, if you drive 50 mph. Back in the 1990s, when many conversions had about as much power as a 1962 VW Beetle and weighed half again as much, we had a lot of (sometimes heated) EVDL discussions about driving under the speed limit. I'll say now pretty much what I said then. The speed limit is just that -- a limit. Unless the road is posted with a minimum speed, there's no law that says anyone has to drive AT the speed limit. You're free to drive whatever speed you think is safe and practical, as long as it's at OR UNDER the limit. The argument that driving under the limit creates a hazard is just plain wrong. IF a hazard exists, it's created by drivers who can't control their childish emotions and take stupid risks, such as tailgating and passing when it's not safe. If the other person is driving a vehicle with a high power to weight ratio, he or she is inevitably going to encounter many vehicles that have low P/W ratios - large or heavily laden trucks, school buses, farm machinery. That's just how it goes on a two-lane highway. So why should it matter to anyone else whether you're driving a tractor or a car? Why should anyone care whether your vehicle uses gasoline or Diesel fuel or electricity? If you have to (or even if you just WANT to) go slower than the guy behind you does, it's up to him to deal with it legally and safely. If you feel uncomfortable about backing up traffic, you can be nice and pull over every few miles to let the queue pass you. But you're under no obligation to do so. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Upgraded 2016 Tesla-S 90D is the first 300mi/483km production Electric car
Pure speculation here, but I'll take a whack. These are EPA tests so speeds, durations, acceleration and deceleration rates are tightly prescribed. I'm guessing a smaller, lighter car won't suffer the disadvantage of yanking roughly 5000# up to speed, and that means it does better in town than on the highway. Past a certain weight threshold maybe higher but steady speed makes for more efficiency? Chris On May 2, 2016 1:00 PM, "EVDL Administrator via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 2 May 2016 at 5:45, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > Tesla's updated Model S 90D ... 285.7-mile city range ... 303.2-mile > > highway range. > > Interesting. Every other EV I know of (including conversions) gets > markedly > better range in city driving than on the highway. Is the Tesla S so > aerodynamic that its friction losses are higher than its aero losses? Or > is > it just wasting more energy than other EVs when it's "idling"? > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160503/8dfa3602/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Upgraded 2016 Tesla-S 90D is the first 300mi/483km production Electric car
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Upgraded 2016 Tesla-S 90D is the first 300mi/483km production Electric car
I think it is more of the latter but a bit of the former too David. The S uses quite a bit more power on accessories than most conversions, and most drivers likely usually have climate control on. It also has a very low drag coefficient, so low that it has the same CdA as my little Suzuki Swift. That, and its 4700+ lb weight results in it's drag and rolling resistance forces being equal at around 60-65 mph compared to around 45 mph for most vehicles. I consistently use less energy per mile driving around the city than on the highway. But I think it depends on what you mean by city driving. I am driving around a small city with relatively few traffic lights compared to a city like SF or LA. Also depends on how fast you accelerate. I've measured recouped energy from regenerative braking at 50% - 58% of the kinetic energy of the car just prior to braking. Considering work against drag and rolling resistance forces, and drive train, motor/controller losses during acceleration, it seems you only get back around around 20%-25% of the energy used to accelerate the car. The energy/mile used moving at ~ constant speed in city driving would have to be low enough relative to highway driving to compensate for that energy lost during each acceleration, and that will depend on distance driven between stop/starts. Lots of variables, which is why people argue endlessly about the value of regen. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-Upgraded-2016-Tesla-S-90D-is-the-first-300mi-483km-production-Electric-car-tp4681833p4681861.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Japanese leaf charging cable
On 05/03/2016 08:28 AM, George Tyler via EV wrote: Hi, here in NZ many people are importing used Nissan Leaf's from Japan. Japan has different voltage and frequency to the supply here, leaf charging cable: 200V 60hz, NZ voltage 230V 50Hz. There is a small transformer in the cable that has to be changed, but opening the cable means that it has to be re-certified. Does anyone know what the charging cable electronics does? The cable has an EVSE embedded in it. This basically tells the car how much current is available and only turns on the power if a car is actually present. In the EVSE supplied with the Gen 1 cars the power supply for the circuit inside the EVSE has a mains step down transformer not for more than 200v. This transformer will saturate on 240V and get very hot. The dealer forgot to do the replacement on our car and it failed after about 6 weeks being plugged in continuously. They replaced it with one that had been modified. I think you may also have to replace some over-voltage protection too. What is the certification you're worried by? I'm not aware of needing a certification to plug something in in New Zealand. The EVSE supplied with the Gen 2 cars is smaller, I don't know if that one needs modification or not. If you don't want to modify the Nissan EVSE you might look at https://bluecars.nz/bc-shop/ in Auckland. Carl has an 8-10-16A selectable EVSE with a 16A caravan plug & a caravan to "normal" 10A 3 pin plug adapter (with 10A circuit breaker and RCD). He also has a fixed 8A EVSE. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Oil's 'no-EVs' EU push> similar to their 1990's 'no-EVs' to CARB
% Shell doth protest too much, methinks (& threatened to sue) ... ?Anyone remember the mtbe debacle? (Fuel discussions are OT on the evdl) % http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/28/vw-and-shell-try-to-block-eu-push-for-cleaner-cars VW and Shell accused of trying to block EU push for electric cars 28 April 2016 Arthur Neslen * This article was amended on 29 April to include comment from Shell which said it was not blocking an EU push for electric cars. The headline and opening sentence of the article were also changed to reflect this. * [image / Jan Woitas/EPA https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0176dbdc498e6930c144f68a0d1c604466e9268d/0_120_4096_2458/master/4096.jpg?w=1065=55=format=12=max=8609818828033b3ea899d586acdcb08b The industry study assumes a lack of public appetite for electric cars, despite 400,000 pre-orders for Telsa’s new Model 3 ] Industry giants’ call for biofuels over electric and fuel-efficient cars puts Europe’s carbon emissions targets at risk, say experts VW and Shell have been accused of trying to block Europe’s push for electric cars and more efficient cars, by saying biofuels should be at heart of efforts to green the industry instead. The EU is planning two new fuel efficiency targets for 2025 and 2030 to help meet promises made at the Paris climate summit last December. But executives from the two industrial giants launched a study on Wednesday night proposing greater use of biofuels, CO2 car labelling, and the EU’s emissions trading system (ETS) instead. In reality, such a package would involve the end of meaningful new regulatory action on car emissions for more than a decade, EU sources say ... The Auto Fuels Coalition study, written by Roland Berger, makes a series of highly pessimistic assumptions about the costs of fuel efficiency improvements, and equally optimistic ones about greenhouse gas emissions from biofuels. A recent EU study found the dirtiest biofuels three times more polluting than diesel. An EU source said: “these two industries have realised they have a shared interest. When you saw who was paying for the study, you knew what the answer would be.” ... Campaigners point out that signs of an electric vehicles take-off this spring have included 400,000 pre-orders for the new Tesla’s Model 3, as well as a bid by the Dutch parliament to ban petrol and diesel engines by 2025. On Thursday Germany promised a €1bn subsidy boost for electric cars. Yet the industry study assumes a lack of public appetite for electric cars over the next decade continuing until 5m urban recharging centres have been installed and renewable electricity prices fall from current rates. Dr Christoph Wolff, the managing director of the European Climate Foundation, told the Guardian: “Electrification is taking off rapidly in markets such as China, Norway and the Netherlands. EU policymakers need to agree stringent measures, which will push the auto sector towards developing products that are fit to compete in this fast-evolving marketplace.” Saudi Arabia’s recent declaration that it would detach itself from oil dependence by 2030 was heralded by campaigners as such a development. The increasing cost-competitiveness of renewables has been another ... The Dutch oil giant [Shell] has invested heavily in Brazilian ethanol and [Shell VP] Crooks stressed that biofuels would ... requiring [EU] policy incentives ... By 2021, no new cars will be allowed to emit more than 95 grams of CO2 per kilometre, but electrification and widescale renewable electricity will be needed to approach zero emissions levels. Carlos Calvo Ambel, an analyst for the Transport and Environment thinktank, said that Europe would miss its greenhouse gas targets altogether if it followed the Auto Fuels Coalition paper’s advice. “Carmakers, oil companies and biofuels producers are making a desperate bid to dissuade Europe from undertaking fuel efficiency standards for cars, vans and trucks, a push for electric vehicles and many of the other badly needed actions in the transport sector,” he said. [© 2016 Guardian News and Media] ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks The lady doth protest too much, methinks ... [dated] https://www.google.com/search?q=mtbe+disaster mtbe debacle/disaster https://www.google.com/search?q=mtbe+debacle % Oil pushed hard for mtbe % For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Oil-Auto-s-no-EVs-EU-push-similar-to-their-1990-s-no-EVs-to-CARB-tp4681854.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: RM146k/US$37.3k Limited# of Renault.my Zoe EVs for Private Ownership
'These Malaysian ZOE EVs are only available in White' http://www.carlist.my/news/limited-number-renault-zoe-electric-cars-available-private-ownership/38534 Limited Number of Renault Zoe Electric Cars Available for Private Ownership April 29, 2016 Arvinda [images http://content.icarcdn.com/styles/article_cover/s3/field/article/cover/2016/zoe_001.jpg?itok=UF6st0VH http://content.icarcdn.com/editors/zoe_004.jpg http://content.icarcdn.com/editors/zoe_006.jpg http://content.icarcdn.com/editors/zoe_009.jpg http://content.icarcdn.com/styles/main_extra_large/s3/field/gallery/2016/04/zoe_002.jpg?itok=9ouJp97C http://content.icarcdn.com/styles/main_extra_large/s3/field/gallery/2016/04/zoe_005.jpg?itok=YC8i31tF ] Previously, the only way to sample Renault’s ‘Zero-Emission’ electric vehicle (EV) the ZOE was through the COMOS ride sharing service available at certain locations within the urban-scapes of Klang Valley. Now though, a limited number of Renault Zoes are up for private ownership – made available through Renault’s Malaysian franchise holder TC Euro Cars (TCEC). CEO of TC Euro Cars Sdn Bhd, Kuan Kim Luen added; “ZOE is the core of the Renault Zero Emissions range. In addition to its compact size and attractive styling, it showcases Renault’s technological excellence when it comes to electric vehicles. ZOE also heralds the beginning of a new era of electric mobility for all and confirms Renault’s commitment to electric vehicles.” The Renault Zoe is equipped with a rotor-coil synchronous electric motor to deliver maximum power of 87bhp from 3,000 to 11,300 rpm and peak torque of 220Nm from as low as 250 rpm. Power is sent through an automatic gearbox. The Zoe’s draws power from a 22kWh lithium-ion battery which at full-charge allows for a 210km range based on the 'NEDC' cycle. A full charge ranges from four hours on a 7kW fast charger to nine hours on a regular 3.6kW charger. A 3.6 kWh Delta wall-mounted charger is included with the purchase of the Renault ZOE. Energy recuperation duties are performed by the Zoe’s new-generation regenerative braking system, while efficient use of battery juice is further enhanced with the Zoe’s innovative heating and cooling system for occupants which works like a reverse-cycle air-conditioning unit that consumes very little electricity. Enjoying EV ownership with the Zoe need not come with drawbacks of familiar creature comforts. On hand is Renault’s familiar R-Link touchscreen display with USB and hands-free Bluetooth connectivity. On the safety front, six-airbags, ABS with EBD and Electronic Stability Control come as standard. Limited units of the fully-imported Renault ZOE are available for sale in Malaysia to the public at RM145,888, on-the-road inclusive of GST sans insurance for private individual registration in Peninsular Malaysia. The ZOE is only available in Glacier White. The warranty schemes that apply to privately registered Renault Zoes are as follows: Three-year or 100,000km mileage (whichever comes first) manufacturer warranty. Five-year or 100,000km (whichever comes first) electrical powertrain warranty. Five-year warranty or 100,000km (whichever comes first) traction battery warranty. [© 2016 iCarAsia.com] For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-RM146k-US-37-3k-Limited-of-Renault-my-Zoe-EVs-for-Private-Ownership-tp4681853.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Buying An EV Helps Defund Terrorism> ends our deadly oil addiction
http://cleantechnica.com/2016/04/28/buying-tesla-ev-help-defund-terrorism/ Could Buying A Tesla EV Help Defund Terrorism? April 28th, 2016 Matt Pressman, EV Annex(Reprinted with permission) [image http://c1cleantechnicacom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2016/04/10661929_10152820032712801_7656875229749147143_o_grande.jpg In honor of those who’ve served in the U.S. Armed Forces, Tesla Motors created this unique camo’d Model S (Source: InsideEVs) videos https://youtu.be/1YBRHizYy98 (O’Connell) https://youtu.be/NMydhBqqQtg (Woolsey) ] Tesla’s electric vehicles represent a critical step forward in reducing carbon emissions. However… is there something else major about electric vehicles that we might have overlooked? It dawned on me while watching a recent presentation by Diarmuid O’Connell, the Vice President of Business Development for Tesla Motors [NASDAQ: TSLA]. It turns out O’Connell has an unusual background for someone working at an automotive company. Before joining Tesla, O’Connell actually served as Chief of Staff for Political Military Affairs at the U.S. State Department, where he was involved in policy and operational support to the U.S military in various theaters of operation. During O’Connell’s talk, I was struck by a heartfelt statement he made when questioned about his previous role in the State Department. When discussing his decision to take a position at Tesla Motors (see video below), the expected answer from O’Connell might have been “to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport” — the mission statement often cited by Tesla’s top brass. Instead, he admitted climate change “at that time, wasn’t really on my radar screen. It was a much more pragmatic view of what American foreign policy would look like in the absence of dependence on foreign oil coming from troubled areas of the world.” Is O’Connell onto something here? Just last month, after the terrorist attacks in Belgium, Business Insider published a piece titled Buying an electric car can help defeat ISIS that advised: “The sooner we wean ourselves from oil, not just the Persian Gulf variety but oil in general, and the sooner we electrify transport, the sooner we can extricate ourselves from religious holy and civil wars that we do not understand and have no business getting involved in.” So I decided to check in with Plug In America, a leading U.S. electric vehicle (EV) advocacy group. Sure enough, it turns out that Plug In America also highlights National Security as a key reason to buy an electric vehicle: “Our addiction to oil has huge national security implications. That’s one reason ex‐CIA chief James Woolsey is on our advisory board. The U.S. imports around $1 billion of foreign oil every day with 2/3 used for transportation. Every time you fill up your car, you are sending a check to foreign countries to pay for their oil. Why not send your money to the local electric utility or your neighborhood solar installer instead?” Wait, the ex-CIA chief supports EVs? I decided to dig deeper, and apparently James Woolsey is, in fact, a huge proponent of EVs. According to Mother Jones, “He has served in four administrations, both Republican and Democratic… [and] being a green neoconservative is becoming less lonely, Woolsey says, especially as more hawks come to see energy as a security issue.” In a fascinating interview, he explains we need to stop paying foreign countries for oil because: “that huge economic rent [we pay] tends to concentrate power… [therefore] it’s not accidental that eight out of the nine top exporters of oil in the world have dictatorships or autocratic systems.” A prime example of this is Saudi Arabia. Woolsey elaborates: “with a little over one percent of the world’s people, the Saudis exercise control over about 90 percent of the world’s Islamic institutions. So in the West Bank or in Lahore in Pakistan, they teach little eight-year-old boys to hate Shiite Muslims, Jews, and homosexuals. They cross states to oppress women and try to make them dedicated enough to become suicide bombers. If you wonder who is paying for that type of education in those places, next time you pull into a gas station, before you get out to charge your gas, do what I try to remember to do — move your rearview mirror a couple of inches so you are looking into your own eyes. Now you know who is paying for those little Pakistani boys to learn how to become suicide bombers. So, to put it mildly, we have some very serious malevolent problems with oil.” And let’s also not forget, of the 19 hijackers who carried out the terrorist attacks on September 11th, 15 hijackers were from oil-rich Saudi Arabia. And remember: Saudi Arabia is by far the largest and most-profitable oil exporter in the world, with enough capacity to function as the swing producer to balance the global oil market, it serves as OPEC’s de facto leader. So how do we end our deadly addiction to oil? Woolsey concludes: “most importantly, to move, with
[EVDL] EVLN: UK's got maximum EV-satisfaction> the happiest car owners in the country
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-news/electric-cars-deliver-maximum-car-satisfaction/ Electric cars deliver maximum car satisfaction 28 Apr 2016 Paul Murrell [image / Paul Murrell https://i0.wp.com/practicalmotoring.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/sized_GUL_EV-Charging.jpg?fit=1000%2C667=1 (UK made Leaf EV charging) Electric cars deliver maximum car satisfaction ] UK owners of electric cars are among the happiest car owners in the country, according to a new survey. A UK SURVEY REVEALS that British car owners who have taken the plunge and bought electric cars are among the happiest car owners in the country. Driver Power 2016, published by Auto Express is a survey that covers issues that matter to motorists, such as reliability, running costs, practicality and in-car technology. The results are dominated by electric and hybrid vehicles, with Tesla’s Model S taking first place in seven out of ten categories and the overall number one position. The Tesla S received the highest ever satisfaction rating of 97.46%, including an incredible 100% satisfaction rating on Ease of Driving, the first time any model has received full marks in the history of the Driver Power survey. Brian Walters, Director of Research and Insight at Driver Power, said: “With seven individual category wins it’s hard to dispute the appeal of the Tesla. This is the first time this manufacturer has appeared in the Driver Power survey, but with results like these I’m certain we’ll see more of it in the future. “The in-car tech has raised the bar for other manufacturers, and the growing network of rapid-charging points that are free for owners to use makes it the number one for running costs as well. The only area for concern is build quality, but if Tesla can sort this out then I think it’s going to be a tough brand to beat.” As well as the ZOE in second place, Renault took third spot with the new Kadjar SUV. Last year’s number one brand, Lexus, took four of the top ten positions with its IS, GS and RX (marks two and three) models. Driver Power respondents named reliability as the most important factor when buying and owning a new car, while owners of executive vehicles are the happiest with their vehicles – the Tesla Model S topped the executive class followed by the Lexus GS and Jaguar XF. And owners are generally happy with their cars as two-thirds would buy the same model again and half said they’d stick with the same manufacturer. Driver Power received nearly 50,000 responses, with 32 makes and 150 models ranked. Top 10 Cars List: Tesla Model S [EV] Renault ZOE [EV] ... (ice) ... [© Practical Motoring] For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-UK-s-got-maximum-EV-satisfaction-the-happiest-car-owners-in-the-country-tp4681851.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Reno-NV Firefighter Belton prefers Electric Vehicles to ice> no fuel fires (v)
'Belton hopes the public shifts to driving more electric cars' http://insideevs.com/firefighter-responding-to-scene-of-accident-i-would-definitely-prefer-an-electric-vehicle-over-ice/ Firefighter Responding To Accident: “I Would Definitely Prefer An Electric Vehicle” Over ICE Apr 28, 2016 Eric Loveday [video http://up.anv.bz/latest/anvload.html?key=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 image http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/firefighter.jpg Firefighter Jason Belton ] Recently, KOLO TV in Reno, Nevada reached out to some area firefighters to discuss responding to accidents involving electric cars. Firefighter Jason Belton of the Reno Fire Department told KOLO that there’s always apprehension when approaching a high-voltage electrical system, but noted that he’d definitely prefer responding to an accident involving an electric over a gas car: “Absolutely, there is always the apprehension just because of the thought for the potential of the high voltage shock.” “I would definitely prefer an electric vehicle over a gas powered vehicle, because we remove the fire hazard with the gasoline itself.” Belton added that he hopes to see more electric cars on the road because that would make the job of first responders much safer: “I feel that would make our job as first responders a lot safer specifically from the fire hazard.” [© 2016 Inside EVs] http://www.kolotv.com/content/news/RFD-learning-about-accidents-involving-electric-vehicles-37585.html RFD learning about accidents involving electric cars Apr 15, 2016 Paul Harris [video flash] RENO, Nev. (KOLO) Though some firefighters with the Reno Fire department own electric cars and are familiar with their layout, it does not mean there is no fear when they encounter one in an accident. “Absolutely, there is always the apprehension just because of the thought for the potential of the high voltage shock,” said Firefighter Jason Belton, Reno Fire Department. However with the newer versions of hybrids and electric vehicles firefighters are starting to see safety features that are standard, no matter the make or model. “Place that we want to avoid on the battery powered vehicle are the high voltage cabling. Everything is colored orange (in the newer models) and you don’t cut the orange stuff,” said Cpt. James Flenner, Reno Fire Department. Whether it is a gas powered vehicle or an electric car there is one place firefighters start first. “The regular 12 volt automotive battery,” Flenner said. “When you disconnect that you disconnect airbags, disconnects the high voltage system renders the vehicle safe.” Given a choice of responding to an accident with a gas or electric vehicle Belton says his choice is clear. “I would definitely prefer an electric vehicle over a gas powered vehicle, because we remove the fire hazard with the gasoline itself." Belton points to a March 28th crash that happened near In-N-Out Burger on South Virginia Street as an example. “The gas tank ruptured the fuel ignited, burned both cars to the ground,” Belton said. For the sake of himself and his fellow firefighters, Belton hopes the public shifts to driving more electric cars. “I feel that would make our job as first responders a lot safer specifically from the fire hazard,” he said. [© 2016 Gray Digital Media kolotv.com] For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Reno-NV-Firefighter-Belton-prefers-Electric-Vehicles-to-ice-no-fuel-fires-v-tp4681850.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)