Re: [EVDL] AC Power export for Teslas

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Got it.  Not yet ready for prime time!

Barry

On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 1:08 PM (-Phil-)  wrote:

> I don't yet have any instructions, and it's very complex.  You have to
> build hardware to generate and sense the 1khz 5% PWM pilot signal then have
> a relay to switch the communications over to single-wire CAN, and then
> negotiate with the car's BMS over CAN.  Once you have that working you have
> to voltage-match the battery voltage on the port within a few volts before
> it will honor your request to close the DC fast charge contactors.   On top
> of that, once you get all that working, you are left with pretty much a
> direct DC connection to the pack which can easily sink thousands of amps if
> something goes wrong, so you have to really know what you are doing.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm not prepared to write up a how-to for this reason.
> Someone will either get killed, or damage their car, or both.   Then
> there's still the problem of the warranty!
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 10:02 AM Barry Oppenheim via EV 
> wrote:
>
>> Do you mind sharing the instructions or a link to the instructions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Barry Oppenheim
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 12:56 PM (-Phil-) via EV 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I recently figured out a safe way to export power from any Tesla's
>> charge
>> > port.  I got HV DC power export working from the port at around 6kW,
>> which
>> > could then be fed into an inverter for AC power.
>> >
>> > However, Tesla still instantly voids your warranty if you do this.  I
>> have
>> > a salvage Tesla, so it doesn't matter to me, but it really dashes any
>> hope
>> > of offering a product.
>> >
>> > Tesla has always had this clause to void your warranty if "Using the
>> > vehicle as a stationary power source".   (See:
>> >
>> >
>> https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf
>> > )
>> >
>> > I decided to see if they modified the warranty for the Cybertruck,
>> since it
>> > has the AC power export feature built-in, and here's what they changed
>> that
>> > clause to: (only for Cybertruck) "Using the vehicle as a permanent,
>> > stationary or long-term power source or backup".  So Technically any
>> > "stationary" use still voids it!   They also don't bother to define what
>> > "long-term" is.   (See:
>> >
>> >
>> https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf
>> > )
>> >
>> > I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think they can void your warranty unless
>> they
>> > can prove your actions did the damage you are claiming under warranty
>> > coverage.  (Per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, see:
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/statutes/magnuson-moss-warranty-federal-trade-commission-improvements-act
>> > )
>> >   Though that probably means they tell you to kick rocks and you have to
>> > hire an attorney to fight them.  I'd be interested in opinions from any
>> > Attorneys on the list?
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Re: [EVDL] AC Power export for Teslas

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Do you mind sharing the instructions or a link to the instructions?

Thanks,
Barry Oppenheim

On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 12:56 PM (-Phil-) via EV  wrote:

> I recently figured out a safe way to export power from any Tesla's charge
> port.  I got HV DC power export working from the port at around 6kW, which
> could then be fed into an inverter for AC power.
>
> However, Tesla still instantly voids your warranty if you do this.  I have
> a salvage Tesla, so it doesn't matter to me, but it really dashes any hope
> of offering a product.
>
> Tesla has always had this clause to void your warranty if "Using the
> vehicle as a stationary power source".   (See:
>
> https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf
> )
>
> I decided to see if they modified the warranty for the Cybertruck, since it
> has the AC power export feature built-in, and here's what they changed that
> clause to: (only for Cybertruck) "Using the vehicle as a permanent,
> stationary or long-term power source or backup".  So Technically any
> "stationary" use still voids it!   They also don't bother to define what
> "long-term" is.   (See:
>
> https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf
> )
>
> I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think they can void your warranty unless they
> can prove your actions did the damage you are claiming under warranty
> coverage.  (Per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, see:
>
> https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/statutes/magnuson-moss-warranty-federal-trade-commission-improvements-act
> )
>   Though that probably means they tell you to kick rocks and you have to
> hire an attorney to fight them.  I'd be interested in opinions from any
> Attorneys on the list?
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[EVDL] FLA bad cell question

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

I have three 6V deep cycle batteries, each with a presumed bad cell
(voltage ~4.4V charged).  Can I combine them into one 12V battery and
charge with a 12V charger?

Thanks in advance,
Barry
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Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

They're in my contact list.  Don't remember how I originally got them.
Although when I just googled Tesla  it came up
with the local SC telephone number.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:04 AM Neal, Gary via EV 
wrote:

> Barry,
>
> Interesting...how do you get the phone number for your local SC?  I
> usually get routed to the corporate customer service department.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
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Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

I just call the local number for my SC.  Usually an option in the menu for
the service.

Occasionally a tech or service center employee has texted/called me before
the appointment to get additional information.  In that case I've
texted/called back to that number.

Barry

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 9:08 AM Neal, Gary via EV  wrote:

>
> To Barry and others that can talk to service center people, how?  Would
> you share the magic of how to fight through the app and call center
> hokiness to talk to people at the service center?
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
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Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

We've had three Teslas beginning in 2013.  Two different service centers.
I wish I could say that I've never needed to use the service centers.  But
as an early adopter I was willing to accept some of the "quirks" of the
car.

The majority of issues have been minor and mostly plug and play repairs
(12V batteries, handles, door latches, memory chips, touch screen, charge
port, axle half shafts).  Virtually all under warranty. The only major
problem was a drivetrain replacement on our 2013 (gearing problem in first
year Teslas which were subsequently redesigned, replaced under warranty).

On our first Tesla we had flatbed pickup service at our home (for eight
years).  They would also drop off a loaner.

Even with the change to the online service scheduling, I've always been
able to talk to a person at the service center.   With the caveat that the
majority of the time I leave a message and they call me back.  Usually the
same day or next day.

I occasionally will drop by the service center prior to the appointment if
there is an issue that needs a deeper discussion.  Again, I've always been
able to talk to someone in person.  Not unusual for it to be the service
center manager.   The service centers have always addressed my problem and
always resolved them.

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 5:23 PM Ken Olum via EV  wrote:

>Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 11:21:16 + (UTC)
>From: paul dove 
>
>I get real tired of people who don't own a Tesla saying Tesla has a
>service problem.
>
> I originated this thread.  I do have a Tesla, and that's the only reason
> I know about their service issues.  For very standard things it is fine.
> Your door handle breaks, you click on "broken door handle" in the app,
> someone shows up your house, replaces your door handle, and charges you
> $200.  Nothing could be simpler.  Of course with most cars the door
> handles don't continually break.
>
> But when you need something more complicated, there is just about always
> a communication problem.  Right now, for example, we have an appointment
> to take the car in tomorrow morning and we can't get them to update the
> estimate to the price that we actually agreed on.  They have sent us
> various automated messages asking us to approve the wrong estimate and
> so on, but obviously no human is reading our messages.  Once again, I
> don't think there's any other car company where you can't call the
> repair shop on the phone.
>
> Ken
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Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Model 3 can tow
https://electrek.co/2019/05/08/tesla-model-3-tow-hitch/

Model Y can tow
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-model-y-tow-hitch

Model S can tow
https://torkliftcentral.com/2012-2016-tesla-model-s-ecohitch-stealth
(An early, used Model S in good condition can be bought for $25-30k)

Barry

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 8:59 AM mark hanson via EV 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I saw a 5200 lb towing capacity emailed out so I googled the operators
> manual for a 2020 Bolt, Page 230 that says NO towing capacity.  So don't
> see
> any EV (except a unaffordable pricey Tesla X) to tow my 1600lb alum boat.
> Maybe compromise with a hybrid, but more attracted complexity than just
> keeping my old Ford Ranger.
>
>
>
> Trailer Towing
>
> General Towing
>
> Information
>
> {Warning
>
> Never tow a trailer with your
>
> vehicle. It was not designed or
>
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>
>
>
> Have a renewable energy day,
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Charge Controller issues.

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Have you looked inside at the HV connections?  Any scorching on the wires?

I remember that with the original HPWC's people were mentioning that it was
hard to seat and torque the larger gauge wiring sufficiently.  Ended up
with failed HPWC's and burnt wiring.  Don't know if they fixed it with the
current iteration of HPWC's.

Barry

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:14 PM Mark Laity-Snyder via EV 
wrote:

> I have installed 2 Tesla charge controllers and have had 2 of them fail at
> my house.  I bought 2 when I first got my Tesla because I have 2 houses and
> I figured it would be worth it to have one at each house.  I never got
> around to installing the 2nd one so It has served as a spare so I don't
> have to wait for Tesla to replace the burned out one.  But I just want to
> make sure there is nothing on my end causing these to go out.  The wiring
> is very simple so I am not sure how it could be on my end.  The charge
> controllers have both lasted about 7 to 9 months.  They work fine up until
> the day they stop working.  They still lit up but a red light comes on
> instead of the green when I plug in the power supply. There was also a
> crackling noise inside the last one.   The Tesla charges fine on 120VAC.  I
> plan to replace the latest dud again soon but I just want to avoid future
> problems.
> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Mark
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Remotely Removed Autopilot Features from Used Model S After 'Audit'

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

The buyer of the car did not buy the vehicle from Tesla.  He bought if from
a third party.

My understanding is that the car was either a trade in or buy back by
Tesla.  Tesla then sold the car at auction to a third party dealer.  The
dealer listed the car based on the original sticker features.

Tesla frequently removes upgraded features on resale cars in order to lower
the price and move the vehicle quicker.  The FSD was part of the original
car package, but not on the vehicle sold at auction.  The only thing
unclear is what features Tesla listed on the vehicle at auction and whether
the dealer thought he bought a car with FSD or new the car did not have
FSD, but priced based on the original sticker.

https://twitter.com/thirdrowtesla/status/1225930174677442562

Barry

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 6:54 PM EVDL Administrator via EV 
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> did
> to their EV-1 lessees is the scale of the confiscation.  It's disgusting.
>
> And y'all wonder why I'll never buy a Tesla.  I admire the brilliant
> design
> and the positive PR for EVs, but I can't really own one, nor can you.
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Re: [EVDL] zilla hairball repair

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Chris,

If you can't get it repaired I have a Zilla 1k and hairball that I am no
longer using.

Barry



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 10:16 AM Christopher Darilek via EV 
wrote:

> Upon cleaning my 12V battery cable it touched something at 100V. There was
> a spark and a blown 12V fuse. Everything seems OK now but my zilla hairball
> is not precharging. It appears dead. Manzanita has not responded to me yet.
> Any advice on zilla hairball repair or troubleshooting? Should I see if it
> communicates, etc? Panic, need to get back on the road!  Thx.
> Chris vintage electro
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[EVDL] Fwd: What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Thanks to everyone for their advice and input on the Lithium recycling and
re-use.  Lot of good ideas out there.  Special thanks to Bruce for the
extensive recycling research.

There was so much interest from the group in "recycling" them for other
projects (EV and stationary backup).  Since so many people contacted me I
decided give them to the first person who reached out (Bill B).  If that
falls through I'll be sure to contact others who were interested.

Thanks again!
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Re: [EVDL] What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Marco,

Thanks for the suggestion.  We actually have solar with battery backup
(FLA).  I've thought about adding them to our system.  Unfortunately we
have an older charge inverter that doesn't support LiOn charging.  I
probably could could find a way to wire the current BMS and batteries into
the system.  More of a project time issue.

If we had TOU I definitely would just charge them off the grid and
arbitrage as you suggest.  No TOU in PA.

Barry

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Ing. Marco Gaxiola 
wrote:

>  Why don’t you use them to build your own home energy storage system
> at home? You can build a 48v system (3P-16Series of your CALBs) you would
> have 180Ah x 3. Couldn’t those cells still have at least 30% capacity left,
> Maybe more? But enough to power your home for half a day on basic
> appliances like lamps, internet and TVs.
>
>   If you want to go pro, you could use the VFXR series from Outback
> Power (http://www.outbackpower.com/products/inverter-chargers/
> fxr-vfxr-series) which is a 120/240 since wave inverter grid tie and
> island capable, and have the ability to charge from the grid/solar, buy and
> sell electricity depending on your rates from day/night and power your
> house in a black out event.
>
>   At least that’s what I’d like to do on my next opportunity.
>
> Marco Gaxiola
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2018, at 9:09 AM, Barry Oppenheim via EV 
> wrote:
>
> I recently took my Saturn Vue EV out of service and have 48 LiOn cells in
> my garage.  I am trying to find a way to *dispose/donate/sell them*.
>
> Does anyone know if *regular metal/battery recyclers* take them?  I did try
> to give them to someone but the cross country shipping logistics were a
> nightmare. I live halfway between Philly and NYC.
>
> If I decide to keep them does anyone see any problems or *safety issues*
> having them sit in a heated garage, partially to mostly discharged, for a
> couple years?
>
> Cell details
> 48 Calb 180Ah cells (they have not been charged for at least two years)
> The cells were put into service in 2011 and have ~3 miles on them.  I
> estimate ~500-600 partial charge/discharge cycles.
> www.justanotherevconversion.blogspot.com
>
> Thanks,
>
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[EVDL] What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

I recently took my Saturn Vue EV out of service and have 48 LiOn cells in
my garage.  I am trying to find a way to *dispose/donate/sell them*.

Does anyone know if *regular metal/battery recyclers* take them?  I did try
to give them to someone but the cross country shipping logistics were a
nightmare. I live halfway between Philly and NYC.

If I decide to keep them does anyone see any problems or *safety issues*
having them sit in a heated garage, partially to mostly discharged, for a
couple years?

Cell details
48 Calb 180Ah cells (they have not been charged for at least two years)
The cells were put into service in 2011 and have ~3 miles on them.  I
estimate ~500-600 partial charge/discharge cycles.
www.justanotherevconversion.blogspot.com

Thanks,

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Re: [EVDL] Tesla battery fire?

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

8:10 mark forward in this video discusses fire suppression design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUl28YtQbE=youtu.be

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Re: [EVDL] Tesla battery fire?

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

"Why burn down the whole car when it can be super easily prevented?"

Actually they did manage to prevent this.  Note how the battery design kept
the fire from spreading and contained it within the forward modules of the
battery, allowing it to self extinguish.  It also vented the fire away from
the passenger compartment (flames were directed sideways).

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Re: [EVDL] Battery shipping

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Cor,

Great info.

Thanks,
Barry

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Barry,
>
> It goes by weight and distance.
>
> They have shipped a complete Nissan Leaf battery (on an oversized pallet)
> for me across country for around $500
>
> and the shipment to Lee has about 500 lbs of cells plus a Prius battery on
> a standard sized pallet
>
> and the cost of this almost cross-country shipment plus Haz plus
> residential fees is also just over 500.
>
> Note that the company I work for has a contract w R and I repay my
> employer for the private shipment.
>
>
>
> Actually, when I say pallet, I typically build a *crate* from 2 pallets
> with pillars in between, to protect the shipment.
>
> In the case of Lee’s shipment I coralled the cells between 2x4 pieces
> midway up the cells,
>
> that I attached to the pillars plus old plywood under and some slats above
> the cells so they have nowhere to go.
>
> The Prius battery was simpler, just bolt down to the pallet and plywood.
>
> Cor.
>
>
>
> From: Barry Oppenheim [mailto:ba...@drbarryoppenheim.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:59 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Cor van de Water
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery shipping
>
>
>
> Cor,
>
>
>
> Do you happen to know the total cost per battery?
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
> Barry,
> Very timely question.
> Just yesterday I shipped a pallet with LiFePO4 batteries to Lee Hart.
> I used R Carriers, you just have to pay a Hazardous Materials fee.
> I believe their website is rlc.com
> Cor.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> via EV
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> Subject: [EVDL] Battery shipping
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for shippers who handle LiFePO
> batteries?  I have some CALB 180ah batteries that UPS/Fedex won't ship.
>
> Thanks,
> Barry
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Re: [EVDL] Battery shipping

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Cor,

Do you happen to know the total cost per battery?

Barry

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Barry,
> Very timely question.
> Just yesterday I shipped a pallet with LiFePO4 batteries to Lee Hart.
> I used R Carriers, you just have to pay a Hazardous Materials fee.
> I believe their website is rlc.com
> Cor.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Oppenheim
> via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:30 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Barry Oppenheim
> Subject: [EVDL] Battery shipping
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for shippers who handle LiFePO
> batteries?  I have some CALB 180ah batteries that UPS/Fedex won't ship.
>
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[EVDL] Battery shipping

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Does anyone have any recommendations for shippers who handle LiFePO
batteries?  I have some CALB 180ah batteries that UPS/Fedex won't ship.

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Re: [EVDL] Looking for used cells...

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

I have 48 Calb 180 cells sitting in a vehicle I'm disassembling.   Where
are you located?  You can reply off list.

Barry
www.justanotherevconversion.blogspot.com


On Nov 27, 2017 12:05 PM, "Joe via EV"  wrote:

> I have a few cells in my 45 cell pack of calb 180's that are showing signs
> of age after 6 years of daily use.  I'd like to replace the lowest cells
> and since the rest of the pack has some wear, thought used cells would be
> appropriate and lower cost.
>
> Does anyone have some used cells looking for a home?  I'd consider other
> brands or AH capacities assuming they can be paralleled to approximately
> 160-200 AH.  I'd even be open to other chemistries too since I can program
> my BMS with new limits.
>
> Thanks!
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[EVDL] Rudman Bus Display

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Does anyone know of a source for a new or used Rudman Bus Display?
Manzanita Micro does not appear to sell them anymore.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Dear CA-jackhole ... Tesla-Royalty's arrogant haughty supercilious behavior

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Does not require removal to charge with bike rack.  Just common sense.  See
link:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/1575805/
On Jun 10, 2016 10:38 AM, "Bill Collins via EV"  wrote:

> Why would parking properly have required removing the bike rack?
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Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

I've had a few occasions where the DC/DC converter was the only 12V source
for the EV. Under normal circumstances 500W seems fine.  Extreme loads
(winter with headlights, full fan, full wipers, lots of braking and vacuum
pump) will trip the fuse/breaker.

Slightly OT, does anyone have a good way to add manual function to a HV
contactor?  It would be nice to be able to turn on the DC/DC converter
manually in case of 12V failure without having to rig a jumper.  I vaguely
remember that one of the OEM EV's had such a button in the glove
compartment for that exact situation.

Barry

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Jay Summet via EV  wrote:

>
>
> On 06/06/2016 03:04 PM, Jan Minnie via EV wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm new to this and your discussion has me totally confused. What is
>> the verdict? Sep 12v Battery for accessories or not??
>>
>>
> You should use a 12 v battery as well as a DC/DC converter or alternator
> to keep it charged. The 12 volt battery will provide redundancy and power
> things like emergency flashers, horns, etc even if the DC/DC converter
> fails. It also allows your DC/DC converter to be sized to the average load,
> instead of the maximum surge load on your 12 volt system.
>
> Jay
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Re: [EVDL] S-10 truck w/ Nissan Leaf battery pack range

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Cor,

Thanks.  Great tip regarding the grounding!

I'll let you know if I need pics.  I've looked at lots of conversion with
tilt beds.  I'm trying to find the easiest way while maintaining the OEM
bumper.  I'm planning on using electric linear actuators in place of
hydraulics or pneumatics.

Barry

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Hi Barry,
> I currently have a Ford Ranger with tilt-up bed and a solid bumper
> that can be used for towing, I did not take any pics of the tilt
> mechanism so I can make some based on what you exactly want to see.
> Before this EV truck I had another one, an S10 which did not have a
> real bumper, only the skirt wrapped around below the tail gate, but
> nothing that would support towing or stepping on like this truck does.
> I do have pics of that S10's tilt mechanism, in essence two large hinges
> bolted to the end of the frame rails and two flat stock steel plates
> attached to the bottom of the bed to transfer the force from bed to
> hinge.
> It also had two air springs to help raise it since it was a long bed.
> My current Ranger has a shorter bed and no springs, only two pivot
> points
> at the end of the bed and a steel pipe (think broomstick) that rotates
> on
> a bolt at the end to prop the bed up.
>
> One common issue on tilt bed conversions is the need to *ground* the
> bed,
> if you do not install a wire between bed and frame, your tail lights may
> or may not work since they are only wired to get power from 12V and the
> return (ground) is via the bed. Hinges are not a reliable return path.
>
> Let me know and I can post some pics of this conversion, made in ~1995
> using a 1989 Ranger.
>
> Cor van de Water
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> via EV
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:07 PM
> To: Jay Summet; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] S-10 truck w/ Nissan Leaf battery pack range
>
> Jay,
>
> Little OT but trying to research design on a tilt bed for a pickup
> conversion.  Do you have any pictures of the hinges on the tilt bed as
> well
> as pictures of the bumper/rear end with the bed up and down?  Or a link
> to
> the original converter's blog?
>
> Thanks,
> Barry Oppenheim
> www.JustAnotherEvConversion.blogspot.com
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Jay Summet via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I tested the range of my S-10 conversion with a Nissan Leaf battery
> pack
> > yesterday (not quite all the way to 80% discharged, but got some good
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Re: [EVDL] S-10 truck w/ Nissan Leaf battery pack range

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Rush,

Thanks.

Barry

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Here is what Mark Brueggemann did with his pickup bed -
>
> http://teva2.com/projects.html#bedlift
>
> Rush Dougherty
> Tucson AZ 85719
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Barry
> Oppenheim via
> EV
> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:07 PM
> > To: Jay Summet; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] S-10 truck w/ Nissan Leaf battery pack range
> >
> > Jay,
> >
> > Little OT but trying to research design on a tilt bed for a pickup
> conversion.
> Do you have
> > any pictures of the hinges on the tilt bed as well as pictures of the
> bumper/rear end with the
> > bed up and down?  Or a link to the original converter's blog?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Barry Oppenheim
> > www.JustAnotherEvConversion.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Jay Summet via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I tested the range of my S-10 conversion with a Nissan Leaf battery
> > > pack yesterday (not quite all the way to 80% discharged, but got some
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Re: [EVDL] S-10 truck w/ Nissan Leaf battery pack range

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Jay,

Little OT but trying to research design on a tilt bed for a pickup
conversion.  Do you have any pictures of the hinges on the tilt bed as well
as pictures of the bumper/rear end with the bed up and down?  Or a link to
the original converter's blog?

Thanks,
Barry Oppenheim
www.JustAnotherEvConversion.blogspot.com

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>
> I tested the range of my S-10 conversion with a Nissan Leaf battery pack
> yesterday (not quite all the way to 80% discharged, but got some good
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Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

I also have an EV that works great, is in great condition, but could never
sell because of the market (or lack of) for used DIY EV's.  Which leads me
to my point...are we looking at the wrong market?

I was recently in the Carribean and thought that EV's would be great on the
the islands.  The combination of high gas prices and lack of need for huge
range makes them perfect.  Combine with a smaller solar installation
(electricity prices are also on the higher side) and you come up with a
great win.

There might be an business opportunity for someone to buy used EV's and
resell in the Carribean.

Barry

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Rick Beebe via EV
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 10:38 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

It's not really a new problem. It's always been hard to find someone
interested in buying a conversion, except, perhaps, from with your local EV
interest group.

One of the members of our local EAA chapter converted a 1998 Ford Ranger in
2007. 120 volt, 24 6-volt lead-acid batteries, Russco Charger, DCP Raptor
controller and 9 motor. He spent about $15,000 including the truck and used
it to commute 22 miles to work. In the winter, though, his range was
insufficient so he had to drive his ICE car. He replaced the pack in 2012
for another $2500 or so. When the Leaf came out he bought one and it served
all his commuting needs to he put the truck up for sale for $12000. 18
months later I bought it for $6000.

I have no interest in lead-acid weight, I drove it for a few months then
took it apart to put lithium in. While I thought it would be easy--take out
one set of batteries and put in another--in the end I ended up replacing
everything except the motor, controller and vacuum pump and added a lot of
things to make it much less of a science experiment. I've invested about
$10,000 above the purchase price.

Would anyone here give me $16,000 for it? Even $10,000? Sadly, I doubt it.
And while it's a very nice near-factory-quality EV now, it's still
17 years old. Last week I had a brake line fail and when I pulled the rear
drums off I found one full of oil from a leaking axle seal. $1300 later I
have brand new brakes and lines on the whole rear of the truck. 
But who knows what's next.

--Rick

On 06/14/2015 08:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:


 This is the state of used home built EVs.  No interest.  The parts in 
 this vehicle are worth 10 k.  What a shame.  With the right pack this 
 vehicle out range and perform any factory EV.  It will also be better 
 when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by the owner or 
 any ev converter.  The factory ev will cost big bucks to fix.  When 
 people realize this conversations will rise in value.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] automatics

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Thank you Wayne, Cor, and Roland.  All good stuff.  Which always leads to more 
questions :-)

The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) in the F150 has an input from the throttle 
position sensor (TPS).  Does reprogramming it with the TCI/Baumann Module allow 
you to ignore the TPS?

If not, I'm using a Hall Effect Pedal Assembly(HEPA) that goes directly to the 
Hairball module of the Zilla.  Is there some way to split the signal from the 
HEPA (Hairball and TCM)?  If not is there a way to have the Hairball output a 
TPS signal or add an analog TPS to the HEPA?

Barry

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Electric Blue auto 
convertions via EV
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:18 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] automatics

Every one here answered all your questions very good, I to set the kick down at 
3/4 travel if it has one, like a 400 or 350, A 727 and 904 also has one ,I do 
the same thing. 
The 700 R4 early type can do even better in a EV, If you want lock up, I put a 
pressure switch on a test port and run 12 volts in and out to lock up the 
converter. 
I dont mess around with this and that, I take the easy way and the most simple 
approach, The EVNetics has a curb idle. I use that. also what wasn�t mention is 
trans cooling, I use a A/C condenser where the Rad use to sit, put a fan in 
front and your done, the trans always runs cool. 

When I do a automatic, I dont spend time on the Math of how or why it should 
work, they just do and they get out of my shop fast . When George Hanstra came 
to my shop, I had just finished my 76 Nova to all electric, we went for a 
drive, He was impressed on how it up shifted and down shifted, except for a 
small trans cooling hose leak, it worked just like it was suppose to with the 6 
cylinder gas engine in it . 
I did a Ford E350, 2002 van, it had a over drive automatic, , I installed a 
Warp 11 and an EVNetics 1,000 amp controller, installed the shift modual and 
road tested it, set shift points , where I liked the way it ran down the road, 
trial end error ,, Top speed was about 70 in OD ,this was a 14 passenger van, 
not some toy 
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Re: [EVDL] Converting with an Automatic Transmission

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Wayne wrote:

I  built a lot of automatic conversions, its no big thing...

Wayne,

Couple questions on your response.  

You mentioned that you have experimented with different torque converters
and generally keep the stock TC.  Can you elaborate on how automatic
shifting performs given the torque curve on electric motors is different
than the ICE torque curve?

How do you determine what parameters (RPM/gear) to use when adjusting the
shift points electronically with an aftermarket computer?

Have you tried without an idling circuit/EVTronics controller (just manually
idling, with brake applied, in order to build up pump pressure)?

When using a stock transmission and TC how does the vehicle perform using
manual shifting of the automatic?

Thoughts on lockup vs non-lockup converters?

Thanks in advance,
Barry

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Re: [EVDL] Converting with an Automatic Transmission

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

John,

I'm in the same situation.  Planning on converting my F150 next year with
parts from my current EV.

I've been researching this for about a year now.  DIYElectricCar forums have
some good discussions if you search.  This discussion is one of the better
ones and most relevant to converting an F150/F250:

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53052highlight=automa
tic

Another good link is this transmission shop that specifically make
components for using an autotran in an EV:
http://www.fbperformance.com/ViewTransmission/?TransmissionID=100

Also there is a Porsche conversion on EVAlbum.  (I don't have that link
offhand.)

Bottom line is if you want automatic shifting then you'll need to install a
low stall torque converter.  And you'll need to change shift points
electronically.  

If you want to shift manually you may be able to get away with just a full
manual throttle body.  With the second option you either have to rev a
little at initial takeoff to increase tranny line pressure.  Or get an
external pump plumbed into the tranny lines.  Or make some sort of circuit
to idle the motor.

Still trying to figure out the details.  Would love to share info if you
move forward.

Barry

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of John Lussmyer via
EV
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:08 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Converting with an Automatic Transmission

So, just what needs to be done to convert a vehicle with an Automatic
transmission?
Do you HAVE to idle the motor?  (can a zilla do that?) Or is there some
other Not Impossibly Difficult way of dealing with it?
(Thinking of converting another truck - but pretty much all have Automatic
transmissions.)

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Is An Electric Car A Better Value?

[Barry Oppenheim via EV]

Car dealers are in a class by themselves when it comes to bad customer
service. ...But Toyota has stood behind their product.

Tesla also stands out when it comes to customer service.  From essentially
warranting the traction battery pack against any failure, picking up towing
costs if the car breaks down, offering free loaners and ranger service at
home, and diagnosing problems proactively and updating software remotely.
They get that it not only takes a great vechicle to make a great EV.  It
takes a manufacturer with a culture of backing up their product.  

One of the reasons they can do this is because they are not beholden to a
network of middlemen.  Also, the fact that they have a very reliable EV
helps big time!  And when issues have come up (12 volt battery failures,
retrofitting battery pack protection, upgrading and replacing charging
adapters) they have been quick to find and implement solutions at no costs.

off soapbox

Barry Oppenheim
Saturn Vue EV (5+ years, 35K miles and going strong)

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