FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Philip Benjamin]

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[Roland Cichowski]
"As I have already said about dead matter, aseity does not give rise to it. It 
may give rise to an illusion that dead matter exists  if I believe dead 
matter is an illusion and does not exist. How can you then pose a question to 
me that Marxists prefer one option that does not exist and Augustinian 
civilisations prefer the other option, which is; (something that does not 
exist), can give rise to life.. "
[Philip Benjamin]
   Aseity is a quality of something that ontologically exists, which 
solves the problem of infinite regress. Consciousness is also an attribute of 
existence with no creative powers.  Sense perception is an experience resulting 
from objectively measurable (not illusionary) observations. No existence, no 
experience. That is well settled as regards the requirements of law of 
noncontradiction and law of causality, as you have observed in your previous 
post. No objectivity, no science. That is the observable difference in outcomes 
of illusionary worldviews of Yogis and rishis, and  objective world views of 
reality.  Science is then an effect, not cause, of rational thinking.
   Augustinian consciousness is an awakened consciousness. Marxist 
consciousness is a natural consciousness. No bias or prejudice can fail to note 
the difference in outcomes of the tw, so much so, that (stated many times 
afore) the pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin had to coin the term "American 
Exceptionalism" . America is not the product of yoga, occultism, Cabbala, 
Talmud, Tao, TM, Jungian Sorcery, Maya thinking, New Age etc. Rather, this 
Non-Sovereign Republic of Sovereign States, resulted from the "Two Great 
Awakenings", first led by the prodigious founder-President of Princeton U and 
the other led by President of Yale U. These are not illusions, but historical 
and historic events. It will be very unwise and perilous for politicians and 
jurists groomed by WAMP-the-Ingrate to ignore those FACTS and indoctrinate 
every level of Civil and Military life with Socialist-Fascist-Marxist (SOFAMA) 
pagan globalism in the once Augustinian objective West in general and twice 
awakened factual America in particular.
   I have to skip the definitions of "Awakening", "pagan", "WAMP" etc.
Philip Benjamin

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Hi, Philip.
[Philip Benjamin]That is a more rational approach. Only a degree of rationality 
can be accomplished in such matters.

[Philip Benjamin] What is more rational? Aseity of dead matter producing life.

[Roland] I'm not sure if these statements are rational or not but I thought I 
gave good reason in past posts, why. I do not believe that any evidence can be 
found for the existence of what you call dead matter. I am presuming that by 
dead matter that you are referring to what most people would call the physical 
or material universe.

Our understanding of how our senses might work in this physical reality does 
not work when we investigate it. If such a physical universe exists in the way 
you seem to think it does, then what we experience of it is unlikely to be 
anything like what it really is. This is because our sensory equipment, which 
you seem to presume to be part of this physical universe, do not transmit to us 
what this physical reality is really like. In this sense what we experience is 
an illusion representing something unknown, created by consciousness, to 
realise this is the real awakening.

Given this situation I agree it is not rational to believe that dead (Physical) 
matter can be producing life. I am not completely sure how you see a connection 
between the principle of aseity and the appearance of dead matter. Aseity is a 
principle it is not physical in any way. So the idea that it gives rise to 
physical or dead matter seems to be a non-starter to me. [physical or dead 
matter is an illusion produced by consciousness. Perhaps that is the reason 
that as you suggest the statement does not appear to be rational.

[Philip Benjamin] ...or Aseity of LIFE creating dead matter and life forms?

[Roland] It is not clear to me what you mean by aseity of Life.

As I have already said about dead matter, aseity does not give rise to it. It 
may give rise to an illusion that dead matter exists and so suggests that life 
exists as an extension of it but this is not the true state of reality. So the 
only way I can understand your point is that you believe that dead matter 
exists and that it gives ris

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[spudboy100 via Everything List]

For me, pagan is an anagram for solar energy technology. Perovskite And Gallium 
Arsenide Nitride. 

Flexible all-perovskite tandem solar cells with a 24.7% efficiency 
(techxplore.com)
See? I have squared the circle, without a word about Cartesian Dualism. 

Can I hear an Amen?
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On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:08 PM Philip Benjamin  wrote:


> Augustine, a pagan [...]

You scared me for a minute, the world seemed entirely out of whack because you 
wrote three entire sentences without using the word "pagan" , but I shouldn't 
have worried, you used it in the fourth sentence even though you are not able 
to provide a single example of something, anything, that is NOT a "pagan". 
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[John Clark]

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:08 PM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:

*> Augustine, a pagan* [...]


You scared me for a minute, the world seemed entirely out of whack because you
wrote three entire sentences without using the word "pagan" , but I
shouldn't have worried, you used it in the fourth sentence even though you
are not able to provide a single example of something, anything, that is
NOT a "pagan".

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[Philip Benjamin]

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[Philip Benjamin]
  All evidences seem to indicate tis is a human problem, no animals 
areagitated over fictitious deities. None of the rplies address the real human 
problem. The brains of most animals are not all that different from humans’. 
You may shift the problem to neural patterns etc., but that does not answer the 
question, why? What, nor even how, is not the subject here. Existence is 
antecedent to experience. Awakened experience follows awakened existence. That 
is how Augustine, a pagan, hedonist scholar in Platonism became an exegete of 
Theology ( centered around Adonai of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles)!
Philip Benjamin

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" How can fictitious deities really do anything at all?"



But they do, because what we believe in we become. Belief is the most important 
thing we have, it creates civilisations, buildings, behaviour, art, food, 
literature, plays, music, poems, ethics, morals . Take away a man's 
house and car and he will be upset for a while. But take away his beliefs and 
you destroy him.

Imposing belief systems is as destructive as waging war on them. You kill their 
spirit.






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[Olaf Stapledon]
” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me,…”
[Philip Benjamin]
This is off the thread here. However, I will try to retain the thought. Prof 
Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically inconsistent. How can fictitious 
deities really do anything at all? Human life ( for that matter any life) is 
more than a bunch of fundamental particles. That is why even unreal and 
fictitious deities occupy human minds! How could any race or individual 
intrinsically come up with any fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile 
deity? Why can’t any mind be absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks 
like endorsing one of those Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ” 
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will 
not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth out 
of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out 
drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and 
our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then 
had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”.
The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead heathen is used 
by KJV for anything outside the domain of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) 
Elohim (uni-plural). See Joshua 24:2. Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and 
the father of Nachor had one of those deities.They were all heathen/pagan. 
Regeneration from old heathenism to new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or 
Augustinian transformation is all about. Like it or not, That, not Prof. Olaf 
Stapledon, is what distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the 
rest of the world which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples 
and nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame 
Blavatsky etc.
Philip Benjamin
From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
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You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the earth, but it is 
possible to love the earth and trust the God who created it and will destroy 
it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this form of duality – Olaf 
Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University lecturer: Two related quotes 
…… The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and tenderness, of ruthless power, of 
blind creativity and of all seeing wisdom. And though their images were but the 
fantasies of created minds, it seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody 
some true features of the Star Maker's impact. 
...
Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as 
virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he s

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 2:31:20 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:

> general...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The 
> Supreme Court and the Electoral College
>
>  
>
> [*Olaf Stapledon*] *quoted below.*
>
> ” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
> themselves upon me,…”
>
> *[Philip Benjamin]*
>
>  This is off the thread here. However*, *I will try to retain the 
> thought*. *Prof Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically 
> inconsistent. How can fictitious deities *really *do anything at all? 
>

Deities operate as brain patterns, memes and thought games. There is no 
reason to think God, Allah or Jesus Christ exist outside of us, but we 
might say that the function as thought-games in the brain and by that way 
affect behavior. 

LC

 [image: bizarro god lives here.jpg]

> Human life ( for that matter any life) is more than a bunch of fundamental 
> particles. That is why even unreal and fictitious deities occupy human 
> minds! How could any race or individual intrinsically come up with any 
> fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile deity? Why can’t any mind be 
> absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks like endorsing one of those 
> Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ” As for the word that 
> thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto 
> thee.  But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth out of our own 
> mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink 
> offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and 
> our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for 
> then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”.
>
>  The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead 
> heathen is used by KJV for anything outside the domain of *Adonai 
> (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural).*  See *Joshua 24:2. *Even 
> Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor had one of those 
> deities.They were all heathen/pagan. Regeneration from old heathenism to 
> new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or Augustinian transformation is 
> all about. Like it or not, That, not *Prof.* *Olaf Stapledon,* is what 
> distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the rest of the world 
> which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples and 
> nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame 
> Blavatsky etc.
>
>  *Philip Benjamin*
>
> *   From:* 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online <
> general...@googlegroups.com> S*ubject:* RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> The Supreme Court and the Electoral College   
>
>You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the 
> earth, but it is possible to love the earth and trust the God who created 
> it and will destroy it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this 
> form of duality – Olaf Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University 
> lecturer: Two related quotes …… The fictitious deities of all races in all 
> worlds once more crowded themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and 
> tenderness, of ruthless power, of blind creativity and of all seeing 
> wisdom. And though their images were but the fantasies of created minds, it 
> seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody some true features of the 
> Star Maker's impact. ...  
>
> Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as 
> virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he should love his creation 
> would be loving only a part of himself, but the creation praising the 
> creator praises an infinity beyond himself. The virtue of the creation was 
> to love and to worship. The virtue of the Creator was to create and to be 
> infinite, the unrealisable and incomprehensible goal of worshipping 
> creatures. ……..  It is enough to have been created, to have embodied for a 
> moment the infinite and tumultuously creative spirit …. to have been the 
> rough sketch for some perfected creation.
> Professor Stapledon was much admired in his day …. “*Stapledon was 
> hostile to religious institutions, but not to religious yearnings*”. 
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Philip Benjamin" 
> To: "general...@googlegroups.com" 
>
> Sent: Sunday, 10 Jul, 22 At 19:26
> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the 
> Electoral College
>
> *John Clark]*
>
> “´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
>
> *[Philip Benjamin] *
>
> This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over 

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[Philip Benjamin]

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[Olaf Stapledon] quoted below.
” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me,…”
[Philip Benjamin]
 This is off the thread here. However, I will try to retain the thought. 
Prof Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically inconsistent. How can 
fictitious deities really do anything at all? Human life ( for that matter any 
life) is more than a bunch of fundamental particles. That is why even unreal 
and fictitious deities occupy human minds! How could any race or individual 
intrinsically come up with any fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile 
deity? Why can’t any mind be absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks 
like endorsing one of those Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ” 
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will 
not hearken unto thee.  But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth 
out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out 
drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and 
our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then 
had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”.
 The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead heathen is 
used by KJV for anything outside the domain of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) 
Elohim (uni-plural).  See Joshua 24:2. Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and 
the father of Nachor had one of those deities.They were all heathen/pagan. 
Regeneration from old heathenism to new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or 
Augustinian transformation is all about. Like it or not, That, not Prof. Olaf 
Stapledon, is what distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the 
rest of the world which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples 
and nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame 
Blavatsky etc.
 Philip Benjamin
   From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> 
Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral 
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   You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the earth, 
but it is possible to love the earth and trust the God who created it and will 
destroy it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this form of duality – 
Olaf Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University lecturer: Two related 
quotes …… The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and tenderness, of ruthless power, of 
blind creativity and of all seeing wisdom. And though their images were but the 
fantasies of created minds, it seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody 
some true features of the Star Maker's impact. 
...
Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as 
virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he should love his creation would be 
loving only a part of himself, but the creation praising the creator praises an 
infinity beyond himself. The virtue of the creation was to love and to worship. 
The virtue of the Creator was to create and to be infinite, the unrealisable 
and incomprehensible goal of worshipping creatures. ……..  It is enough to have 
been created, to have embodied for a moment the infinite and tumultuously 
creative spirit …. to have been the rough sketch for some perfected creation.
Professor Stapledon was much admired in his day …. “Stapledon was hostile to 
religious institutions, but not to religious yearnings”.

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John Clark]
“´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
[Philip Benjamin]
This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over over 20 
years wherever that was allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) despotically 
forbids.
WAMP is generally speaking a self-description, if anybody wants to join, most 
welcome!! The name “John” meaning ”Jah (YHWH) is gracious” is not of pagan 
origin, that does not necessarily mean that anybody with that name is not a 
Gaia centered conformist. Pagan comes from Pan-Gaia-n, i.e. earth centered, 
earth worshippers, by extension the doctrinaire environmentalists and the 
pseudo-climatologists.
A “transformed consciousness” is what the Prophet describes as: “And I will 
give you a new heart, and a new spirit 

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[John Clark]

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 2:27 PM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:

> *John Clark]*
>
>   “´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
>
> *[Philip Benjamin] *
>
>  This is a reasonable question,
>

Yea I thought so.


* > though the problem was defined for over over 20 years wherever that was
> allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) despotically forbids. WAMP is
> generally speaking a self-description if*  [ blah blah blah]
>

That's nice, but I don't give a damn what WAMP (whatever the hell that is)
forbids, what I asked for is an example of something, anything, that is NOT
pagan and you don't seem to be able to provide one. So everything is pagan,
which is exactly equivalent to nothing is pagan because 0=0.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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[Philip Benjamin]

John Clark]
  “´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
[Philip Benjamin]
 This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over 
over 20 years wherever that was allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) 
despotically forbids.
WAMP is generally speaking a self-description, if anybody wants to join, most 
welcome!! The name “John” meaning ”Jah (YHWH) is gracious” is not of pagan 
origin, that does not necessarily mean that anybody with that name is not a 
Gaia centered conformist. Pagan comes from Pan-Gaia-n, i.e. earth centered, 
earth worshippers, by extension the doctrinaire environmentalists and the 
pseudo-climatologists.
 A “transformed consciousness” is what the Prophet describes as:  “And 
I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will 
remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh”. 
Ezekiel 36:26. Earth-centeredness is unavoidable for all earthlings, “none 
good” (Psalm 14:3; Romans 3:12; Luke 18:19) even in an “awakened 
consciousness”, or Augustinian transformation (“Two Great Awakenings for 
example”). Rabbi Saul of Tarsus put it this way expressing his great 
frustration after transformation on the Damascus road: Romans 7:24. “ O 
wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death”?
Only the products (Marxists) of WAMP-the-Ingrate can claim to be “good”!!   
For science today Ezekiel’s “new heart” or the “inner man” of the Apostles 
refers to the “dark matter body” with its chemistry vis-à-ˈvis its “light 
matter twin” cocreated at conception.
Philip Benjamin
Notes:
Jeremiah 17:9.“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: 
who can know it?”
Romans chs. 1—3. Total corruption of mankindMark 7: 21. “For from within, out 
of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 
adultery, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, 
lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:”
Ezekiel 36:26. “And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put 
within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a 
heart of flesh”.

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On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:38 AM Philip Benjamin 
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> Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about 90% of 
> the globe including today’s Europe and America—atheism, humanism, animism, 
> polytheism,  pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, Satanism, 
> Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism, anti-individualism, New Age, 
> Identity Politics, etc.  One has to cut off from reality not to mention 
> paganism in describing the present state of human minds.
“Is Christianity paganism, if not why not, and if it is then give me an example 
of something, anything, that is NOT pagan.  Saying everything is pagan is 
equivalent to saying nothing is pagan because meaning needs contrast”  John 
Clark.



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Dear Philip,
Mr Clark's reply [he cannot be a doctor or professor surely?] is absolutely 
spot on - because he has defined what a WAMP is by his own reply!! There is

- Sarcasm - Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words 
before you felt obligated [sic] to use the word "pagan"!

- Abuse - but pretty soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without 
using "pagan",

- Insult - It would be science-fiction to imagine you could ever write an 
entire post without using it

- Condescension - but I'm curious, does that word have any meeting [sic] for 
you other than someone who believes in a very slightly different type of 
religious idiocy than the type of religious idiocy you believe in?

- Arrogance/Ignorance And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't 
tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.







This is a WAMP! An arrogant, dismissive, condescending, abusive individual who 
uses sarcasm as a form of argument, as well as insult and abuse. And yet is 
unable to spell or use grammatically correct English!!
"Obligated" means "require or compel (someone) to undertake a legal or moral 
duty". I think he may mean obliged