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[Olaf Stapledon] quoted below. ” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded themselves upon me,…” [Philip Benjamin] This is off the thread here. However, I will try to retain the thought. Prof Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically inconsistent. How can fictitious deities really do anything at all? Human life ( for that matter any life) is more than a bunch of fundamental particles. That is why even unreal and fictitious deities occupy human minds! How could any race or individual intrinsically come up with any fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile deity? Why can’t any mind be absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks like endorsing one of those Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ” As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”. The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead heathen is used by KJV for anything outside the domain of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural). See Joshua 24:2. Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor had one of those deities.They were all heathen/pagan. Regeneration from old heathenism to new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or Augustinian transformation is all about. Like it or not, That, not Prof. Olaf Stapledon, is what distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the rest of the world which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples and nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame Blavatsky etc. Philip Benjamin From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the earth, but it is possible to love the earth and trust the God who created it and will destroy it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this form of duality – Olaf Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University lecturer: Two related quotes …… The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and tenderness, of ruthless power, of blind creativity and of all seeing wisdom. And though their images were but the fantasies of created minds, it seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody some true features of the Star Maker's impact. ........................................... Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he should love his creation would be loving only a part of himself, but the creation praising the creator praises an infinity beyond himself. The virtue of the creation was to love and to worship. The virtue of the Creator was to create and to be infinite, the unrealisable and incomprehensible goal of worshipping creatures. …….. It is enough to have been created, to have embodied for a moment the infinite and tumultuously creative spirit …. to have been the rough sketch for some perfected creation. Professor Stapledon was much admired in his day …. “Stapledon was hostile to religious institutions, but not to religious yearnings”. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Philip Benjamin" <medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> To: "general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>" <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Sunday, 10 Jul, 22 At 19:26 Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College John Clark] “´.... Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “. [Philip Benjamin] This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over over 20 years wherever that was allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) despotically forbids. WAMP is generally speaking a self-description, if anybody wants to join, most welcome!! The name “John” meaning ”Jah (YHWH) is gracious” is not of pagan origin, that does not necessarily mean that anybody with that name is not a Gaia centered conformist. Pagan comes from Pan-Gaia-n, i.e. earth centered, earth worshippers, by extension the doctrinaire environmentalists and the pseudo-climatologists. A “transformed consciousness” is what the Prophet describes as: “And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh”. Ezekiel 36:26. Earth-centeredness is unavoidable for all earthlings, “none good” (Psalm 14:3; Romans 3:12; Luke 18:19) even in an “awakened consciousness”, or Augustinian transformation (“Two Great Awakenings for example”). Rabbi Saul of Tarsus put it this way expressing his great frustration after transformation on the Damascus road: Romans 7:24. “ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death”? Only the products (Marxists) of WAMP-the-Ingrate can claim to be “good”!! For science today Ezekiel’s “new heart” or the “inner man” of the Apostles refers to the “dark matter body” with its chemistry vis-à-ˈvis its “light matter twin” cocreated at conception. Philip Benjamin Notes: Jeremiah 17:9.“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Romans chs. 1—3. Total corruption of mankindMark 7: 21. “For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:” Ezekiel 36:26. “And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh”. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 8:58 AM To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:38 AM Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about 90% of > the globe including today’s Europe and America—atheism, humanism, animism, > polytheism, pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, Satanism, > Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism, anti-individualism, New Age, > Identity Politics, etc. One has to cut off from reality not to mention > paganism in describing the present state of human minds. “Is Christianity paganism, if not why not, and if it is then give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan. Saying everything is pagan is equivalent to saying nothing is pagan because meaning needs contrast” John Clark. From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:26 AM To: general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College Dear Philip, Mr Clark's reply [he cannot be a doctor or professor surely?] is absolutely spot on - because he has defined what a WAMP is by his own reply!! There is - Sarcasm - Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words before you felt obligated [sic] to use the word "pagan"! - Abuse - but pretty soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without using "pagan", - Insult - It would be science-fiction to imagine you could ever write an entire post without using it - Condescension - but I'm curious, does that word have any meeting [sic] for you other than someone who believes in a very slightly different type of religious idiocy than the type of religious idiocy you believe in? - Arrogance/Ignorance And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is. This is a WAMP! An arrogant, dismissive, condescending, abusive individual who uses sarcasm as a form of argument, as well as insult and abuse. And yet is unable to spell or use grammatically correct English!! "Obligated" means "require or compel (someone) to undertake a legal or moral duty". I think he may mean obliged and he has mis-spelt meeting because I suspect he means 'meaning'. I can even add extra characteristics - they shout louder than you to get their point heard, they rarely listen, or even if they appear to be listening, they ignore what has been said completely or choose to misinterpret it. If any opinion is expressed contrary to their own they either pretend they haven't heard or have the person banned [from facebook, from youtube, from forums ....... ] and they do all this without ever bothering to even look for what was really said [And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is] Crumbs, do I know this person!!!! This is a WAMP!!!!! You keep going Philip, your opinion is equal to anyone else's and considering you have never done any of these things - insult, abuse, etc - I think you can claim a great number of house points over those that do. And by your persistence we now have a really good example [Mr Clark] of what a WAMP does and is!! ------ Original Message ------ From: "Philip Benjamin" <medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> To: "general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>" <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Friday, 8 Jul, 22 At 14:39 Subject: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College [Philip Benjamin] Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about 90% of the globe including today’s Europe and America—atheism, humanism, animism, polytheism, pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, Satanism, Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism, anti-individualism, New Age, Identity Politics, etc. One has to cut off from reality not to mention paganism in describing the present state of human minds. Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> <everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:46 PM To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> Cc: spudboy100 Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:24 PM Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700’s! Today’s > WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless BIG > Marxist mostly pagan [...] Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words before you felt obligated to use the word "pagan"! It would be science-fiction to imagine you could ever write an entire post without using it but pretty soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without using "pagan", but I'm curious, does that word have any meeting for you other than someone who believes in a very slightly different type of religious idiocy than the type of religious idiocy you believe in? And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is. John K Clark . -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/SJ0PR14MB5264E30419225A9AC8435858A8879%40SJ0PR14MB5264.namprd14.prod.outlook.com.