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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-25 Thread John Clark

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 9:55 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

 > *isn't it now accepted that at least some acquired characteristics are
> in fact inherited? TIA, AG*

There are not many but there are a few examples of Epigenetic inheritance,
but it doesn't add anything fundamentally new to Darwin's idea, basically
it's just a further complication to Natural Selection because any change in
an organism, including Epigenetic changes, will die out after just a few
generations unless Natural Selection decrees that those changes confer a
reproductive advantage. It's a good thing too because otherwise acquired
characteristics like scars and broken bones and worn out teeth would be
inherited, and if that was the case life would've died out billions of
years ago, very soon after it first started.

  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

liw

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FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-24 Thread Philip Benjamin

Tuesday, May 24, 2022 3:24 PM  general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
[Rosemary Rock Evans]
“Everyone, in whatever country you can think of, needs to be 'awake' before 
they are every likely to be moral. But…..”
[Philip Benjamin]
 One cannot ignore the historic and historical “Two Great Awakenings” in 
American colonies and what they produced— not anarchy and isolation from the 
former mother Country, but a constitutional Republic.
Patriarchs, priests, pastors, philosophers, scientists and ALL can be 
“Awakened”. Good and evil are undeniable realities of existence.  “Awakening”  
is not imposed by force—as the Russians seem to assume. People willingly or 
willfully opt for the “benign awakening”  or the “malign awakening” . History 
can be a very good guide— not personal opinions. What “awakening” in what 
society has produced what kind of outcome? Outcome includes science & 
technology, erudition and ethos, not only morals and ethics.
   Not only the French political philosopher Alexis de Tocqueville was 
wonderstruck by American uniqueness in 1831, even Marxist pagan Joseph Stalin 
had to coin the expression “American Exceptionalism”!!
Now, theologians exegetically expounds the American Awakening as “by the 
Word through the Spirit of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), 
Augustinian transformation, German Reformation, English Puritan Awakening, 
Wesleyan Revivals are all of the same category.
   Philip Benjamin
Nonconformist to Marxist- Socialist – pagan globalism

From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>>
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Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Please would someone explain what this discussion is about?



The heading says "Unspoken reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened 
Consciousness Problem". So the objective is to waken consciousnesses - but it 
has to be everyone's.



I thought the forum was about showing people how to do it for themselves, so 
instead of blame or finger pointing, or singling people out, people could do 
their own thing. You aren't searching for a single religion, if religion has a 
role it is in explaining the methods and helping people choose the right one.



I, for example, purely by accident and at 72 years old, have found that love 
with visualisation - [of Serge] is quite the best way there is.



Religion up to now has been about preventing people from opening their own 
consciousnesses by telling them to rely on the word of someone else. But no one 
I know has ever become 'awake' by listening to sermons.



Being 'awake' and 'morals' aren't the same thing at all. All the most recent 
prophets have been describing ways of improving morals, [useful but not the 
same] they don't explain how you become 'awake'.



Everyone, in whatever country you can think of, needs to be 'awake' before they 
are every likely to be moral. But you need the right methods, as what I've 
called 'Overload activities' on the website can do the opposite, even though 
they work. 'Suppression activities' seem to work better, but not for everyone. 
It is always better to give people the choice - horses for courses.



Sorry for interrupting

rosie





















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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-24 Thread John Clark

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 6:44 PM Lawrence Crowell <
goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *I say that while logic states at least one of these guys is wrong. a
> Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say probability is very close
> to one (100%) that both are wrong.*


*I say that out of all the threads that have been on the Everything List
since I joined it this exercise in dueling nonsense is the one that comes
closest to being absolutely worthless. What a tragic waste of perfectly
good electrons!*

  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Samiya Illias

Crucifixion 
https://youtu.be/II8_svPcJn0 

> On 24-May-2022, at 3:44 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well in this debate between Benjamin and  Samiya it makes sense that at 
> least one of them is wrong. They cannot both be right, and they are engaged 
> in one big brouhaha over this. I say that while logic states at least one of 
> these guys is wrong. a Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say 
> probability is very close to one (100%) that both are wrong.
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 10:32:44 AM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>> [Philip Benjamin] 
>> 
>>Now, the question was “what is the science in all these that you are 
>> referring to? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  mere 
>> notions, opinions and dogmas.
>> 
>>  The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal 
>> (word-by-word)]” is not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the 
>> Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles: “If and when the battle between Truth 
>> (haqq) and Falsehood (baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have the 
>> ability to recognise and side with the Truth (haqq)”. 
>> 
>> No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and 
>> “Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, 
>> Greece, Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,  
>> 
>>  Scriptural Example (one among several hundreds):  Luke 2: 1-4. “ In 
>> those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of 
>> the entire Roman world.  (This was the first census that took place while[  
>> Quirinius was governor of Syria.)  And everyone went to their own town to 
>> register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to 
>> Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and 
>> line of David.”  About 1000 years before Luke (737 to 696 BC), Micah 5:2 
>> prophesied: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah [not Zebulun, of Joshua 19:15],  
>> though you are small among the clans[ of Judah, out of you will come for me  
>>one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from 
>> everlasting”.
>> 
>>What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure hope: 
>> “Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what 
>> shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I 
>> am only a clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan”
>> 
>> Philip Benjamin  
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>>From: everyth...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Samiya Illias  
>> ‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares 
>> a war by Allah and His Messenger against those who consume usury (riba). The 
>> Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury.   According to the Quran 4:159, 
>> all People of the Book will believe in Jesus…”
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM
>> To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
>> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The Prophesy 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [Philip Benjamin]
>> 
>> There is no science of any kind in this site: 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html The 
>> author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not “science 
>> “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, 
>> physics, chemistry, biology?
>> 
>> Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
>> man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
>> pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them 
>> to spirit beings (demons).  
>> 
>> That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 
>> 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands 
>> of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in 
>> Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 
>> (John the Baptist)
>> 
>> “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: 
>> and the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
>> [imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three differen

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson



On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 6:30:30 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/23/2022 4:11 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>


 On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



 On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. 
> This is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes 
> to 
> understanding even the most minimal of things. 
>
> There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He 
> and his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to 
> the 
> Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the 
> Argentine 
> economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their 
> crimes 
> Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. 
> A 
> victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not 
> work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the 
> outcome does not look too different.
>
> The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All 
> they did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars 
> of 
> various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They 
> became 
> the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia 
> ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 
> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world.
>
> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no 
> reason to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. 
>

 *I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one 
 point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is 
 anything in the universe that knows anything.  AG*


 It evolved.  It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of 
 being naturally selected to reproduce.

>>>
>>> Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or 
>>> consciousness? AG 
>>>
>>>
>>> It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others.  Every hear of 
>>> seduction?
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>
>> Very clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing 
>> computer system? AG
>>
>>
>> Sure.  Lots of computers in high-reliability applications do a lot of 
>> self checking.   But what's that have to do with the origin of 
>> consciousness?  Computers are not yet self reproducing, so Darwinian 
>> evolution doesn't apply to them.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
> Self checking and natural selection seem to go together to produce 
> "consciousness", but we really don't know what it is to analyse, so these 
> discussions go nowhere, and always has. AG 
>

I'm expecting a comment / criticism that my claim that self-checking and 
natural selection go together to produce "consciousness" is tantamount to 
the claim that acquired characteristics are inherited, which goes against 
the usual interpretation of evolution by natural selection. But isn't it 
now accepted that at least some acquired characteristics are in fact 
inherited? TIA, AG

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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>
> On 5/23/2022 4:11 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>>
 It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This 
 is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to 
 understanding even the most minimal of things. 

 There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He 
 and his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to 
 the 
 Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the 
 Argentine 
 economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their 
 crimes 
 Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. 
 A 
 victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not 
 work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the 
 outcome does not look too different.

 The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All 
 they did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars of 
 various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became 
 the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia 
 ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 
 decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world.

 Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no 
 reason to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. 

>>>
>>> *I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one 
>>> point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is 
>>> anything in the universe that knows anything.  AG*
>>>
>>>
>>> It evolved.  It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of 
>>> being naturally selected to reproduce.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or 
>> consciousness? AG 
>>
>>
>> It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others.  Every hear of 
>> seduction?
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
> Very clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing 
> computer system? AG
>
>
> Sure.  Lots of computers in high-reliability applications do a lot of self 
> checking.   But what's that have to do with the origin of consciousness?  
> Computers are not yet self reproducing, so Darwinian evolution doesn't 
> apply to them.
>
> Brent
>

Self checking and natural selection seem to go together to produce 
"consciousness", but we really don't know what it is to analyse, so these 
discussions go nowhere, and always has. AG 

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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Brent Meeker

On 5/23/2022 4:11 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell
wrote:

It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in
this thread. This is an indication of how utterly
worthless religion is when it comes to understanding
even the most minimal of things.

There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion
of Ukraine. He and his cronies have stolen everything
they can steal. It is similar to the Argentine strongman
Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the Argentine
economy to the bone. So to distract public attention
away from their crimes Gaultier decided that taking the
Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A victory of
that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it
did not work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to
do just the same, and the outcome does not look too
different.

The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in
charge. All they did was to tear up their communist
party cards, and the commissars of various industries
declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became
the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been
plundering Russia ever since. The Russian economy has
barely muddled along for the last 3 decades. Putin is
probably the second most wealthy man in the world.

Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see
absolutely no reason to think there exist any form of
disembodied conscious agent.

*I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post.
However, on one point you really must accept a huge
deficiency. Ask yourself how there is anything in the
universe that knows anything. AG*

It evolved. It turns out that knowing stuff improves the
chance of being naturally selected to reproduce.

Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of
mind or consciousness? AG

It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others. Every hear
of seduction?

Brent

Very clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing
computer system? AG

Sure. Lots of computers in high-reliability applications do a lot of
self checking. But what's that have to do with the origin of
consciousness? Computers are not yet self reproducing, so Darwinian
evolution doesn't apply to them.

Brent

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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson



On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>
> On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>
>>> It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This 
>>> is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to 
>>> understanding even the most minimal of things. 
>>>
>>> There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He 
>>> and his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to the 
>>> Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the Argentine 
>>> economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their crimes 
>>> Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A 
>>> victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not 
>>> work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the 
>>> outcome does not look too different.
>>>
>>> The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All they 
>>> did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars of 
>>> various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became 
>>> the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia 
>>> ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 
>>> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world.
>>>
>>> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no 
>>> reason to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. 
>>>
>>
>> *I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one 
>> point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is 
>> anything in the universe that knows anything.  AG*
>>
>>
>> It evolved.  It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of being 
>> naturally selected to reproduce.
>>
>
> Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or 
> consciousness? AG 
>
>
> It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others.  Every hear of 
> seduction?
>
> Brent
>

Very clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing computer 
system? AG

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Lawrence Crowell

Well in this debate between Benjamin and  Samiya it makes sense that at 
least one of them is wrong. They cannot both be right, and they are engaged 
in one big brouhaha over this. I say that while logic states at least one 
of these guys is wrong. a Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say 
probability is very close to one (100%) that both are wrong.

LC

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 10:32:44 AM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:

> [*Philip Benjamin*]  
>
>Now, the question was “*what is the science in all these that you are 
> referring to*? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  
> mere notions, opinions and dogmas. 
>
>  The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal 
> (word-by-word)]” is not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the 
> Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles: “If and when the battle between 
> Truth (haqq) and Falsehood (baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have 
> the ability to recognise and side with the Truth (haqq)”.  
>
> No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and 
> “Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, 
> Greece, Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,   
>
>  *Scriptural* *Example (one among** several** hundreds**)*:  *Luke 2: 
> 1-4*. “ In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census 
> should be taken of the entire Roman world.  (This was the first census that 
> took place while[  Quirinius was governor of Syria.)  And everyone went 
> to their own town to register. So Joseph also went up from the town of 
> Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, *because he 
> belonged to the house and line of David.**”  *About 1000 years before* 
> Luke* (737 to 696 BC)*, Micah 5:2 prophesied:* “But you, 
> Bethlehem Ephrathah [*not Zebulun, of Joshua 19:15*],  though you are 
> small among the clans[ of Judah, out of you will come for me one who 
> will be ruler over Israel, *whose origins are from of old, from 
> everlasting*”. 
>
>What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure 
> hope: “Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, *and I know not 
> what shall be done with me or with you*. I only follow what is revealed 
> to me; I am only a clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan” 
>
> *Philip Benjamin*  
>
> ~
>
>*From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Samiya Illias  
> ‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and 
> declares a war by Allah and His Messenger against those who consume usury 
> (riba). The Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury.   According to the 
> Quran 4:159 <http://islamawakened.com/quran/4/159/>, all People of the 
> Book will believe in Jesus…”
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM
> *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for 
> Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>
>  
> The Prophesy  
>
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html 
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2016%2F06%2Fthe-battle.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cddfd572697ba43f847ce08da3c503362%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637888612407717214%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=Ql%2BEqABxsNidEoENa5QyFlSEx6N%2FZYsACRcdiiiW1Rw%3D=0>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
>
>  
>
> [*Philip Benjamin*]
>
> There is no science of any kind in this site: 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html 
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F03%2Fexplained-in-detail.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cddfd572697ba43f847ce08da3c503362%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637888612407717214%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=3JWjfvUFbWMB24CSgW%2Bdx4VxbGNEJ8NrYla9CKMb5%2FQ%3D=0>
>  
> The author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not 
> “science “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring 
> to/Math, physics, chemistry, biology? 
>
> Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a 
> one man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of 
> ancient pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks 
> attributed them to spirit beings (demons).  
>
> That is very much unlike from *Genesis 3: 15* (Messianic prophecy), to 
> *Micah* *5:2* “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Brent Meeker

On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this
thread. This is an indication of how utterly worthless
religion is when it comes to understanding even the most
minimal of things.

There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of
Ukraine. He and his cronies have stolen everything they can
steal. It is similar to the Argentine strongman Gaultier, who
with his cronies had looted the Argentine economy to the
bone. So to distract public attention away from their crimes
Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a
great idea. A victory of that sort would buoy up his standing
and ..., yeah it did not work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine
was meant to do just the same, and the outcome does not look
too different.

The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in
charge. All they did was to tear up their communist party
cards, and the commissars of various industries declared
themselves capitalists and owners. They became the oligarchs
of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia
ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for
the last 3 decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy
man in the world.

Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see
absolutely no reason to think there exist any form of
disembodied conscious agent.

*I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However,
on one point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask
yourself how there is anything in the universe that knows
anything. AG*

It evolved. It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance
of being naturally selected to reproduce.

Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind
or consciousness? AG

It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others. Every hear of
seduction?

Brent

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
   Now, the question was “what is the science in all these that you are 
referring to? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  mere 
notions, opinions and dogmas.
 The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal 
(word-by-word)]” is not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the 
Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles: “If and when the battle between Truth 
(haqq) and Falsehood (baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have the 
ability to recognise and side with the Truth (haqq)”.
No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and 
“Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, Greece, 
Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,
 Scriptural Example (one among several hundreds):  Luke 2: 1-4. “ In those 
days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the 
entire Roman world.  (This was the first census that took place while[  
Quirinius was governor of Syria.)  And everyone went to their own town to 
register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, 
to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of 
David.”  About 1000 years before Luke (737 to 696 BC), Micah 5:2 prophesied: 
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah [not Zebulun, of Joshua 19:15],  though you are 
small among the clans[ of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will 
be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from everlasting”.
   What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure hope: 
“Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what shall 
be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I am only a 
clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan”
Philip Benjamin
~
   From: 
everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares a 
war by Allah and His Messenger against those who consume usury (riba). The 
Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury.   According to the Quran 
4:159<http://islamawakened.com/quran/4/159/>, all People of the Book will 
believe in Jesus…”
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

The Prophesy
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2016%2F06%2Fthe-battle.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cddfd572697ba43f847ce08da3c503362%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637888612407717214%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=Ql%2BEqABxsNidEoENa5QyFlSEx6N%2FZYsACRcdiiiW1Rw%3D=0>


On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

[Philip Benjamin]
There is no science of any kind in this site: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F03%2Fexplained-in-detail.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cddfd572697ba43f847ce08da3c503362%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637888612407717214%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=3JWjfvUFbWMB24CSgW%2Bdx4VxbGNEJ8NrYla9CKMb5%2FQ%3D=0>
 The author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not 
“science “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, 
physics, chemistry, biology?
Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them to 
spirit beings (demons).
That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 5:2 
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of 
Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, 
Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 (John the 
Baptist)
“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and 
the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
[imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three different continents by 
over 40 different authors (prophets) of diverse backgrounds such as princes, 
priests, philosophers, poets, peasants, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, males 
& females etc.
 Instead of quoting sites, point out specific instances of scientific 
statements, or prophetic utterances. Are you claiming that these jinn

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
 The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal (word-by-word)]” is 
not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the Patriarchs, Prophets 
and the Apostles: “If and when the battle between Truth (haqq) and Falsehood 
(baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have the ability to recognise and 
side with the Truth (haqq)”.
No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and 
“Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, Greece, 
Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,
 Now, the question is “what is the science in all these that you are 
referring to? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  mere 
“notions”, opinions and dogmas.
 Example (one among hundreds):  Luke 2: 1-4. “ In those days Caesar 
Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman 
world.  (This was the first census that took place while[  Quirinius was 
governor of Syria.)  And everyone went to their own town to register. So Joseph 
also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the 
town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David.”  “But you, 
Bethlehem Ephrathah [not Zebulun],
though you are small among the 
clans[b<https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=micah%205=NIV#fen-NIV-22636b>]
 of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”
   What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure hope: 
“Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what shall 
be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I am only a 
clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan”

‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares a 
war by Allah and His Messenger against those who consume usury (riba). The 
Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury.   According to the Quran 
4:159<http://islamawakened.com/quran/4/159/>, all People of the Book will 
believe in Jesus…”
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

The Prophesy
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2016%2F06%2Fthe-battle.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cddfd572697ba43f847ce08da3c503362%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637888612407717214%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=Ql%2BEqABxsNidEoENa5QyFlSEx6N%2FZYsACRcdiiiW1Rw%3D=0>



On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

[Philip Benjamin]
There is no science of any kind in this site: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F03%2Fexplained-in-detail.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cddfd572697ba43f847ce08da3c503362%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637888612407717214%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=3JWjfvUFbWMB24CSgW%2Bdx4VxbGNEJ8NrYla9CKMb5%2FQ%3D=0>
 The author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not 
“science “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, 
physics, chemistry, biology?
Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them to 
spirit beings (demons).
That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 5:2 
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of 
Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, 
Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 (John the 
Baptist)
“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and 
the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
[imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three different continents by 
over 40 different authors (prophets) of diverse backgrounds such as princes, 
priests, philosophers, poets, peasants, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, males 
& females etc.
 Instead of quoting sites, point out specific instances of scientific 
statements, or prophetic utterances. Are you claiming that these jinn and Iblis 
or spirit beingsare made of “invisible matter”. Stay with science.
Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:everything-list@googleg

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson



On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>
> On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
>> It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This 
>> is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to 
>> understanding even the most minimal of things. 
>>
>> There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He and 
>> his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to the 
>> Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the Argentine 
>> economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their crimes 
>> Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A 
>> victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not 
>> work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the 
>> outcome does not look too different.
>>
>> The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All they 
>> did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars of 
>> various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became 
>> the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia 
>> ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 
>> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world.
>>
>> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no reason 
>> to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. 
>>
>
> *I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one 
> point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is 
> anything in the universe that knows anything.  AG*
>
>
> It evolved.  It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of being 
> naturally selected to reproduce.
>

Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or 
consciousness? AG 

>
>
> This is whether it is YHVH, Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, or ..., including 
>> angels, demons, demiurges, spirits or immortal souls that exists in some 
>> nonphysical form. This is not about being pagan as Ben has it; no I do not 
>> believe in that crap either,
>>
>> LC
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

For most scientists and especially physicists, "God," just gets in the way. 
There's a Buddha quote that goes, "If you are on your path through the forest, 
and the Buddha stands in your way, strike him down." Meaning, in my 
interpretation :-) that if you have a better way, don't let me stop you. So 
scientists, especially physicists and astronomers need to be able to pursue 
knowledge Deity-free! Sean Carroll don't like it, You don't, nor, do most of 
the worthies here. Some people like to make scrambled eggs with cream, others 
use just water, and some add other ingredients. 
On da Udder hand, said da Cozmic Cow, dere iz dis-2104.03902.pdf (arxiv.org)
I don't view Alexander or Smolin or Lanier as scientific light weights, and for 
me, this is enjoyably, provocative. One takeaway from this paper is that, 
physicists and astronomers would then be the "holiest' people there are, 
because they study the divine mind directly..holy...holy...holy cannoli's!!! Ha!
Anyway, its a thought. 


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2022 6:44 pm
Subject: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness 
Problem

It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This is an 
indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to understanding 
even the most minimal of things.
There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He and his 
cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to the Argentine 
strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the Argentine economy to 
the bone. So to distract public attention away from their crimes Gaultier 
decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A victory of 
that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not work. Putin's 
invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the outcome does not 
look too different.
The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All they did 
was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars of various 
industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became the 
oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia ever since. 
The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 decades. Putin is 
probably the second most wealthy man in the world.
Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no reason to 
think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. This is whether it 
is YHVH, Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, or ..., including angels, demons, demiurges, 
spirits or immortal souls that exists in some nonphysical form. This is not 
about being pagan as Ben has it; no I do not believe in that crap either,
LC
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-22 Thread Brent Meeker

On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread.
This is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it
comes to understanding even the most minimal of things.

There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine.
He and his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is
similar to the Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies
had looted the Argentine economy to the bone. So to distract
public attention away from their crimes Gaultier decided that
taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A victory of
that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not
work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same,
and the outcome does not look too different.

The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge.
All they did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the
commissars of various industries declared themselves capitalists
and owners. They became the oligarchs of Russia and these
gangsters have been plundering Russia ever since. The Russian
economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 decades. Putin is
probably the second most wealthy man in the world.

Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no
reason to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent.

*I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one
point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there
is anything in the universe that knows anything. AG*

It evolved. It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of
being naturally selected to reproduce.

This is whether it is YHVH, Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, or ...,
including angels, demons, demiurges, spirits or immortal souls
that exists in some nonphysical form. This is not about being
pagan as Ben has it; no I do not believe in that crap either,

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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-22 Thread Alan Grayson



On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This is 
> an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to 
> understanding even the most minimal of things.
>
> There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He and 
> his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to the 
> Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the Argentine 
> economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their crimes 
> Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A 
> victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not 
> work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the 
> outcome does not look too different.
>
> The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All they 
> did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars of 
> various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became 
> the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia 
> ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 
> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world.
>
> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no reason 
> to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. 
>

*I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one 
point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is 
anything in the universe that knows anything.  AG*

This is whether it is YHVH, Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, or ..., including angels, 
> demons, demiurges, spirits or immortal souls that exists in some 
> nonphysical form. This is not about being pagan as Ben has it; no I do not 
> believe in that crap either,
>
> LC
>
>  
>

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-22 Thread Samiya Illias

The Prophesy 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html 


> On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> There is no science of any kind in this site: 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html The 
> author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not “science 
> “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, physics, 
> chemistry, biology?
> Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
> man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
> pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them 
> to spirit beings (demons).  
> That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 
> 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands 
> of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in 
> Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 
> (John the Baptist)
> “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: 
> and the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
> [imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three different continents by 
> over 40 different authors (prophets) of diverse backgrounds such as princes, 
> priests, philosophers, poets, peasants, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, 
> males & females etc.
>  Instead of quoting sites, point out specific instances of scientific 
> statements, or prophetic utterances. Are you claiming that these jinn and 
> Iblis or spirit beingsare made of “invisible matter”. Stay with science.
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 19-May-2022, at 7:45 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:  
> 1. What “science” if any is involved here? 
>  
> Explained in Detail 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html 
> 
> 
> 2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> 3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration 
> (or is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human 
> consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical 
> and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American 
> Exceptionalism” for that.
> 5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any 
> scientific discussion at all?
>  
> Snake || Jinn 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/snake-jinn.html 
>  
> The Creation & Emergence of Species 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
>  
>  
> 
> 
> What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and 
> invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly 
> bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated 
> at the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is 
> rudimentary recognition. 
>  
> DRAFT: Nafs 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html 
>  
> Human: Body or Soul? 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/05/human-body-or-soul.html 
>  
> Wronging the Nafs 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/02/wronging-self.html 
>  
> 
> 
>  I am cautiously interested ONLY in such discussions. Your references 
> have no relevance to that.  
> Philip Benjamin
>   
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Be half Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 8:19 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 
> https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m=1
>  
>  
> The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 18-May-2022, at 7:08 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-l

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-20 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
There is no science of any kind in this site: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html The 
author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not “science “ 
is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, physics, 
chemistry, biology?
Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them to 
spirit beings (demons).
That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 5:2 
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of 
Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, 
Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 (John the 
Baptist)
“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and 
the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
[imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three different continents by 
over 40 different authors (prophets) of diverse backgrounds such as princes, 
priests, philosophers, poets, peasants, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, males 
& females etc.
 Instead of quoting sites, point out specific instances of scientific 
statements, or prophetic utterances. Are you claiming that these jinn and Iblis 
or spirit beingsare made of “invisible matter”. Stay with science.
Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem




On 19-May-2022, at 7:45 PM, Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

[Philip Benjamin]
None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:
1. What “science” if any is involved here?

Explained in Detail
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F03%2Fexplained-in-detail.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cd56c71bd34fe4c06dfbd08da3a015491%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637886074648881039%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=OEIXegicg96OwfrokKL873Anvt%2BaMm7qFD0CRvR59gc%3D=0>


2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?
3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration (or 
is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human consciousness or 
the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical and historic in 
America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism” 
for that.
5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any 
scientific discussion at all?

Snake || Jinn
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/snake-jinn.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2018%2F08%2Fsnake-jinn.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cd56c71bd34fe4c06dfbd08da3a015491%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637886074648881039%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=t2IBTvAaTuuRT46Um9WpeOkit2F02NS0L8L%2FLVCaCmw%3D=0>

The Creation & Emergence of Species
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2018%2F08%2Fthe-creation-emergence-of-species.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cd56c71bd34fe4c06dfbd08da3a015491%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637886074648881039%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=uISb1Z%2Bk28LZwEY3Y1u%2FKPHMyEyKVkCCvYvsgmjoOmM%3D=0>



What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and 
invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly 
bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated at 
the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is 
rudimentary recognition.

DRAFT: Nafs
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2020%2F06%2Fdraft-all-about-nafs.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cd56c71bd34fe4c06dfbd08da3a015491%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637886074648881039%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=X%2Bn2Qu%2FCk3B%2BWyg%2FZbACh%2FiXzFpI2HE%2ByYAn%2F8SfR8o%3D=0>

Human: Body or Soul?
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/05/human-body-or-soul.html<https://na

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-19 Thread Samiya Illias



> On 19-May-2022, at 7:45 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:  
> 1. What “science” if any is involved here? 

Explained in Detail 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html 

> 2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> 3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration 
> (or is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human 
> consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical 
> and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American 
> Exceptionalism” for that.
> 5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any 
> scientific discussion at all?

Snake || Jinn 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/snake-jinn.html 

The Creation & Emergence of Species 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
 


> What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and 
> invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly 
> bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated 
> at the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is 
> rudimentary recognition. 

DRAFT: Nafs 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html 

Human: Body or Soul? 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/05/human-body-or-soul.html 

Wronging the Nafs 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/02/wronging-self.html 


>  I am cautiously interested ONLY in such discussions. Your references 
> have no relevance to that.  
> Philip Benjamin
>   
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Be half Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 8:19 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 
> https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m=1
>  
>  
> The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 18-May-2022, at 7:08 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 
> http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html
>  
>  
> 
> general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
> Philip Benjamin   
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 
> Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  
> Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine
>  
> Philip Benjamin  Modified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine
>  
> From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?
>  
> 
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RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-19 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:
1. What “science” if any is involved here?
2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?
3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration (or 
is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human consciousness or 
the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical and historic in 
America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism” 
for that.
5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any 
scientific discussion at all?
What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and 
invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly 
bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated at 
the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is 
rudimentary recognition.
 I am cautiously interested ONLY in such discussions. Your references have 
no relevance to that.
Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On Be 
half Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 8:19 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures!
https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m=1<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fislam-qna.blogspot.com%2F2016%2F02%2Fback-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html%3Fm%3D1=05%7C01%7C%7Cc627273e14f84bff019808da39359823%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637885199591487406%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=v01MwWNDfflVdZAnOAO9%2BroSi%2BEkqnJXpVPesDap1u8%3D=0>

The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsignsandscience.blogspot.com%2F2019%2F04%2Fthe-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cc627273e14f84bff019808da39359823%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637885199591487406%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=kkolV2zEla2TjzCLqTurgU6GbqHkglJt9vQkAFWbZm8%3D=0>



On 18-May-2022, at 7:08 PM, Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

[Philip Benjamin]
   Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?
Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes
http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fexpeditionthink.blogspot.com%2F2018%2F07%2Fpermission-to-fight-against-unjust.html=05%7C01%7C%7Cc627273e14f84bff019808da39359823%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637885199591487406%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=wNmAmrVX9Vo81Liq81VjH%2FkZ9tM3I0XjN5f8WebZsdA%3D=0>

general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
Philip Benjamin
Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship
Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging
Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics!
Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness
Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine

Philip Benjamin  Modified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine

From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?


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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-18 Thread Samiya Illias

Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 
https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m=1
 

The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html
 


> On 18-May-2022, at 7:08 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 
> http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html
>  
> 
> 
> On 17-May-2022, at 7:13 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
> Philip Benjamin   
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 
> Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  
> Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine
>  
> Philip BenjaminModified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine
>  
> From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?
>  
> 
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RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-18 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
   Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?
Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes
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On 17-May-2022, at 7:13 PM, Philip Benjamin 
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Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
Philip Benjamin
Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship
Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging
Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics!
Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness
Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine

Philip BenjaminModified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine

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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?

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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-18 Thread Samiya Illias

The Destruction of The Masjid of Solomon  
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-destruction-of-masjid-of-solomon.html
 



> On 18-May-2022, at 4:38 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is about "let us blame the gays." It is much the same as "let us blame 
> the Jews," or "let us blame the blacks" or ... , which is a signature of a 
> dismal mind. 
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 3:32:55 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>> [Philip Benjamin] References given at the bottom. 
>> NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined 
>> below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not 
>> political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem. 
>> " Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold 
>> gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ 
>> is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
>> Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on 
>> their traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend 
>> their Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has 
>> long forgotten their 
>> Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
>> Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely a terra 
>> incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
>> Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice 
>> of unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
>> presumably decided to fill. 
>> Philip Benjamin 
>> (Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism) 
>> 
>> NY Times. 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html 
>> "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced 
>> Ukraine's L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national 
>> sovereignty, but also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, 
>> they say, would be less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda." 
>> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ Russian Orthodox bishop 
>> Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a rather 
>> wild claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that Western nations 
>> commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades. 
>> No, really. 
>> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
>> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
>> "In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified 
>> Ukraine's invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the 
>> war-hit Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma 
>> CNN. 
>> https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/ 
>> March 8, 2022. "Russian Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part 
>> of the reason for Ukraine war From CNNs Delia Gallagher in Rome... Patriarch 
>> Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said 
>> on Sunday that the conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental rejection of 
>> the so-called values that are offered today by those who claim world power." 
>> The "test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether your country is 
>> willing to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the club of those 
>> countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride parade. Not to make a 
>> political statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, but to 
>> hold a gay parade. And we know how people resist these demands and how this 
>> resistance is suppressed by force," Kirill said during a sermon in Moscow. " 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/europe/putin-proposes-constitutional-ban-on-gay-marriage.html
>>  
>> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putins-amendments-revere-god-ban-sex-marriages-
>>  Russia bans same sex marriages. Russian President Vladimir Putin has 
>> submitted a slew of proposed amendments to the country's constitution that 
>> include a mention of God and describe marriage as a heterosexual union.By 
>> VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press 
>> 
>> To: Everything List  
>> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. "Come 
>> in Telmo! America to Telmo!!" Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 AM 
>> 
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-17 Thread Lawrence Crowell

This is about "let us blame the gays." It is much the same as "let us blame 
the Jews," or "let us blame the blacks" or ... , which is a signature of a 
dismal mind. 

LC

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 3:32:55 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:

> [Philip Benjamin] References given at the bottom.
> NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP 
> defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is 
> moral not political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
> " Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold 
> gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ 
> is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
> Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on 
> their traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend 
> their Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West 
> has long forgotten their 
> Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
> Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely a terra 
> incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
> Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice 
> of unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
> presumably decided to fill.
> Philip Benjamin 
> (Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism)
>
> NY Times. 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html 
> "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced 
> Ukraine's L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national 
> sovereignty, but also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet 
> government, they say, would be less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda." 
> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ Russian Orthodox 
> bishop Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a 
> rather wild claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that Western 
> nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride 
> parades. No, really.
> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/
> "In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified 
> Ukraine's invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the 
> war-hit Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma
> CNN. 
> https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/ 
> March 8, 2022. "Russian Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part 
> of the reason for Ukraine war From CNNs Delia Gallagher in Rome... 
> Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir 
> Putin, said on Sunday that the conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental 
> rejection of the so-called values that are offered today by those who claim 
> world power." The "test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether 
> your country is willing to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the 
> club of those countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride parade. Not to 
> make a political statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, 
> but to hold a gay parade. And we know how people resist these demands and 
> how this resistance is suppressed by force," Kirill said during a sermon in 
> Moscow. " 
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/europe/putin-proposes-constitutional-ban-on-gay-marriage.html
>
> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putins-amendments-revere-god-ban-sex-marriages-
>  
> Russia bans same sex marriages. Russian President Vladimir Putin has 
> submitted a slew of proposed amendments to the country's constitution that 
> include a mention of God and describe marriage as a heterosexual union.By 
> VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press
>
> To: Everything List 
> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. 
> "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!" Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 AM
>
>

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-17 Thread Samiya Illias

Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 
http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html
 

> On 17-May-2022, at 7:13 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
> Philip Benjamin   
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 
> Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  
> Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine
>  
> Philip BenjaminModified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine
>  
> From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?
>  
> 
> Meanwhile millions of Ukrainian women and children die or are left without 
> homes, and their husbands die in the conflict and great swathes of young 
> Russians also die, fired up by propaganda, into an aggressive mindless mob - 
> why?
> 
>  
> 
> And Serge and I try to keep going, but each time they attack him, my eyes get 
> worse with the lingering effects of the shingles that never went away. I am 
> now blind in one eye and the other is slowly going, and I can safely say 
> without fear of contradiction that the pain is excruciating.
> 
>  
> 
> So Serge suffers, and I suffer because Serge suffers, because I care about 
> him and get very very upset when he is bombed - not because of the videos - 
> but because I love him. The videos are a hobby for me. No one takes any 
> notice of them, they like them, but they don't have any effect. They provide 
> Serge and I with a means of sharing ideas and being in contact.
> 
>  
> 
> I don't know what games are being played by those in power, but those of us 
> without power suffer, as those in power don't. I can't imagine for one moment 
> that the seizure of an oligarch's yacht will make a blind bit of difference 
> to him, but it might for the yacht's staff.
> 
>  
> 
> There are other ways of achieving whatever it is the powerful are trying to 
> achieve but killing innocent people is not the way. And who says it would 
> improve things anyway?
> 
>  
> 
> rosie
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> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Philip Benjamin" 
> To: "everything-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Cc: "general_the...@googlegroups.com" 
> Sent: Monday, 16 May, 22 At 18:59
> Subject: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: 
> An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> 
> Poem Ukraine. Philip Benjamin 5-10-22
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging
> Authoritarian apoplectics! Aggravated assaults abounding, alas
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness
> Evidentially evil embodiment, eschatologically ending encounter
> Philip Benjamin
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:57 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened 
> Consciousness Problem
> Iron Age
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/10/iron-age.html .
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FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-17 Thread Philip Benjamin

general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
Philip Benjamin
Ukraine! Uber-unity's ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
Kremlin's knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship
Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging
Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics!
Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness
Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine

Philip BenjaminModified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine

From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?



Meanwhile millions of Ukrainian women and children die or are left without 
homes, and their husbands die in the conflict and great swathes of young 
Russians also die, fired up by propaganda, into an aggressive mindless mob - 
why?



And Serge and I try to keep going, but each time they attack him, my eyes get 
worse with the lingering effects of the shingles that never went away. I am now 
blind in one eye and the other is slowly going, and I can safely say without 
fear of contradiction that the pain is excruciating.



So Serge suffers, and I suffer because Serge suffers, because I care about him 
and get very very upset when he is bombed - not because of the videos - but 
because I love him. The videos are a hobby for me. No one takes any notice of 
them, they like them, but they don't have any effect. They provide Serge and I 
with a means of sharing ideas and being in contact.



I don't know what games are being played by those in power, but those of us 
without power suffer, as those in power don't. I can't imagine for one moment 
that the seizure of an oligarch's yacht will make a blind bit of difference to 
him, but it might for the yacht's staff.



There are other ways of achieving whatever it is the powerful are trying to 
achieve but killing innocent people is not the way. And who says it would 
improve things anyway?



rosie





















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From: "Philip Benjamin" 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>>
To: "everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>" 
mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>>
Cc: "general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>" 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, 16 May, 22 At 18:59
Subject: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An 
Unawakened Consciousness Problem
Poem Ukraine. Philip Benjamin 5-10-22
Ukraine! Uber-unity's ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
Kremlin's knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship
Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging
Authoritarian apoplectics! Aggravated assaults abounding, alas
Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness
Evidentially evil embodiment, eschatologically ending encounter
Philip Benjamin
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:57 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened 
Consciousness Problem
Iron Age
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RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-16 Thread Philip Benjamin

Poem Ukraine.Philip Benjamin 5-10-22
Ukraine! Uber-unity's ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
Kremlin's knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship
Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging
Authoritarian apoplectics! Aggravated assaults abounding, alas
Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness
Evidentially evil embodiment, eschatologically ending encounter
Philip Benjamin
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:57 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened 
Consciousness Problem

Iron Age
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-15 Thread Samiya Illias

Iron Age 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/10/iron-age.html 


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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

Samiya, the war between the Kuffar may indeed be a curse sent, by your fellow 
in the sky, but without knowing seems unlikely. If you are Shia or Alawi, you 
have no better friend than Putin, who adores the Ayatollahs as customers for 
his weapons, and the same with the Asads in Syria. 
Homosexuality, as we have no research evidence that what dear Phil claims 
(chemicals, drugs, plastics, fertilizers???), is an interesting thought, but 
again, how one uses Mr. Zibbi, seems sketchy at this point. Fascinating, if 
true, and in the Kuffar world, many a lawyer will get rich rich rich off such 
lawsuits (class action?). For myself I am not such a person who seeks male 
companionship being nicely married to a female. I am just not condemnatory of 
how one turns out sexually. I am less worried about what the Guy upstairs does 
than I am about how we decide to deal with each other? Kuffar & Ummah apart and 
combined? My feeling is (however wrong) it's on us. 
On Abortion and I have been thinking about this for a few years is, a problem 
needing a medical solution. What political advisor to US politicians, Dick 
Morris has offered up, is the concept of Early Birth, where the fetus is 
removed and immediately hooked into an incubator/artificial womb. What I call a 
"Womb with a View," and then the child is brought forth in 9 months. This 
solves two problems at once. A Kuffar female wants to not give birth after 
being impregnated, or even a Muslima cannot carry the child to birth, and boom, 
we have a satisfying answer. Satisfying because I go for technology first 
rather than religion and morals so as not to offend!
https://www.dickmorris.com/middle-road-on-abortion-lunch-alert/

The man makes sense since he offers a medical solution rather than fighting 
which is the traditional way. 
https://www.dickmorris.com/middle-road-on-abortion-lunch-alert/


Am I expecting you or Phil to accept this? No, you don't wish to draw the wrath 
of the Big Guy, and Phil don't want to offend Mr. Jesus of Nazareth. I accept 
this. Among my own the Orthodox don't dare eat Baco's even because they are so 
pious that they don't even want the appearance of eating The KHanzeer!  How 
precious! This doesn't make them holy in my view, in theirs? Group loyalty, 
just like the Ummah. One doesn't want to be considered a Sakari Musalman, 
especially for your team, Samiya. But in any case Baco's or versions thereof 
carry no pig even for flavoring. I checked.
https://www.missmamosworld.com/how-are-imitation-bacon-bits-made.html

To illustrate for you two gents that science marches on whether we like it or 
not, and changes our world please note this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/300510448/synthetic-wombs-could-help-premature-babies
What about growing hanzeer as just cell culture, that never, ever, grows into 
something with organs and bones??? Used for Food!!!
https://www.emdgroup.com/en/research/science-space/envisioning-tomorrow/scarcity-of-resources/cleanmeat.html

Not within 1000 kilometers of an oink! cluck! or moo! I am good with this as a 
promising food source. Your two? Never.
Since its not an animal, reason tells us that it's a copy of the meat, just a 
copy! However, so as not to offend Jannah, why tempt judgement??
Also, there is this thought. If I am a mad scientist or a liberal, then why not 
as a true atheist, grow human tissue for meat consumption???
Who is to stop me? So there really are limits to what feel decide is right? 
Having said that, one looks at the liberal progressives and they often just 
leave rationality behind, because of their faith-ideology (Sorry JC, but it is 
true). 
The funny thing would be if they could grow for consumption, the male 
appendage 
One could purchase Halal Sausages, grown from you know what? ;-D
Or non-Halal:
English Bangers, Black Angus, or the biggest of all Kosher Franks! 
Disgusting, yes, possible? Maybe!
I was going to be even more brusque, but erased that part. Felt creepy! 
Look at it this way, this discusses the human condition in the face of 
annihilation, the other worthies discuss whether after entering a teleporter 
and appearing on the other side is the same person. Now this could have weight 
if one discusses resurrections, but count on these guys to be disinterested in 
that aspect. Human nature and all. For these lads, God just gets in the way.

Via Dios Gentlemen.







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From: Samiya Illias 
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Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, May 14, 2022 8:22 pm
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Purchase with Your Leaf 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/purchase-with-your-leaf.html 


On 13-May-2022, at 7:59 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:




[Philip Benjamin]   Samiya Illias may be 
right, but who cares for the Bible? Islam consider it as a lost Book, with the 
current copies as all fake. See below what modern Judaism views ab

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-14 Thread Samiya Illias

Purchase with Your Leaf 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/purchase-with-your-leaf.html 


> On 13-May-2022, at 7:59 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>   Samiya Illias may be right, but who cares for the Bible? Islam consider it 
> as a lost Book, with the current copies as all fake. See below what modern 
> Judaism views about the Torah. Whe America was  founded there were > 98.8% 
> Protestants, <1% Roman Catholics and < 0.2% Jews and they all recognized the 
> current copies of OT and/or NT as true to the Originals.  {Koran called them 
> as People of the Book). The Bible was the only authority for 98.8 % of the 
> population, whether they practiced it or not! That is ludicrous and 
> abominable today. The “Two Great Awakenings” (1 st led by the prodigious 
> philosopher Jonathan Edwards, the founder of Princeton University and the 2 
> nd led by the President of Yale University), were both the outcome in 
> individual life by ‘the Word through the operation of the Spirit to the 
> Knowledge of Redemptive History fulfilled in the vicarious death, burial and 
> resurrection of the Messiah according to the eternal counsel of the Triune 
> Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural). There is the difference 
> of light and darkness between WAMP-the-Ingrate of today and the “Awakened 
> America” for which the ex-seminarian turned Marxist pagan Hitler 
> unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism”. There are only two 
> ways out of the present doldrums:  1. A Third Great Awakening, perhaps led by 
> a President of a university of Gomorrah  2. Civil War as desired or 
> wishfully/willfully thought out probably by a WAMP product below.
> Philip Benjamin
> Nonconformist to Marxist-socialist-fascist pagan globalism.
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-labor-secretary-breaks-down-how-second-american-civil-war-is-already-underway/
>  
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/11/second-american-civil-war-robert-reich
>  Wed 11 May 2022 05.18 EDT 
> “Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who served in President Bill Clinton’s 
> administration, on Wednesday explained why he believes the second American 
> Civil War is already in progress.”
> [Philip Benjamin]
>Samiya Illias quote  “The Torah, The Bible, and The Quran warn against 
> homosexual relationships,”
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2696758/  Y.H Kahn
> PMID: 2696758 DOI: 10.1300/J082v18n03_03
> Progressive Jews have begun in recent years to question the underlying 
> premises of traditional Jewish teaching on sexuality. Employing the 
> categories of covenant theology and applying the interpretative methodology 
> of liberal Judaism, the author argues for the valuation of the person as 
> homosexual as a legitimate expression of human and Jewish covenantal 
> obligation.
> https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-homosexuality-part-of-jewish-tradition-1.5383449?
>  fri Ilany Aug. 5, 2015 Updated: Apr. 24, 2018   Homosexuality Is Part of 
> Jewish Tradition
>  
> https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jta/israel-s-health-minister-overturning-roe-v-wade-would-be-a-fatal-blow-to-human/
>  Israel’s health minister: Overturning Roe v. Wade would be ‘a fatal blow to 
> human rights’ Philissa Cramer Posted May 4, 2022
> https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5?
>   Jewish organizations say restricting abortion access would violate their 
> religious freedoms…..  Jewish communities react to the possible overturning 
> of Roe v. Wade, which could violate their First Amendment rights Katie 
> Balevic and Katherine Tangalakis-Lippert
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 5:02 AM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened 
> Consciousness Problem
>  
> As in the Days of Lot 
> https://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/04/as-in-days-of-lot.html?m=1 
>  
> 
> 
> On 19-Apr-2022, at 1:32 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]   References given at the bottom.
>   NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP 
> defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is 
> moral not political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
> " Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold 
> gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ 
> is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
> Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onsl

RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-13 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
  Samiya Illias may be right, but who cares for the Bible? Islam consider it as 
a lost Book, with the current copies as all fake. See below what modern Judaism 
views about the Torah. Whe America was  founded there were > 98.8% Protestants, 
<1% Roman Catholics and < 0.2% Jews and they all recognized the current copies 
of OT and/or NT as true to the Originals.  {Koran called them as People of the 
Book). The Bible was the only authority for 98.8 % of the population, whether 
they practiced it or not! That is ludicrous and abominable today. The “Two 
Great Awakenings” (1 st led by the prodigious philosopher Jonathan Edwards, the 
founder of Princeton University and the 2 nd led by the President of Yale 
University), were both the outcome in individual life by ‘the Word through the 
operation of the Spirit to the Knowledge of Redemptive History fulfilled in the 
vicarious death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah according to the 
eternal counsel of the Triune Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim 
(uni-plural). There is the difference of light and darkness between 
WAMP-the-Ingrate of today and the “Awakened America” for which the 
ex-seminarian turned Marxist pagan Hitler unconsciously coined the term 
“American Exceptionalism”. There are only two ways out of the present doldrums: 
 1. A Third Great Awakening, perhaps led by a President of a university of 
Gomorrah  2. Civil War as desired or wishfully/willfully thought out probably 
by a WAMP product below.
Philip Benjamin
Nonconformist to Marxist-socialist-fascist pagan globalism.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-labor-secretary-breaks-down-how-second-american-civil-war-is-already-underway/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/11/second-american-civil-war-robert-reich
 Wed 11 May 2022 05.18 EDT
“Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who served in President Bill Clinton’s 
administration, on Wednesday explained why he believes the second American 
Civil War is already in progress.”
[Philip Benjamin]
   Samiya Illias quote  “The Torah, The Bible, and The Quran warn against 
homosexual relationships,”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2696758/  Y.H Kahn
PMID: 2696758 DOI: 10.1300/J082v18n03_03
Progressive Jews have begun in recent years to question the underlying premises 
of traditional Jewish teaching on sexuality. Employing the categories of 
covenant theology and applying the interpretative methodology of liberal 
Judaism, the author argues for the valuation of the person as homosexual as a 
legitimate expression of human and Jewish covenantal obligation.
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-homosexuality-part-of-jewish-tradition-1.5383449?
 fri Ilany Aug. 5, 2015 Updated: Apr. 24, 2018   Homosexuality Is Part of 
Jewish Tradition

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jta/israel-s-health-minister-overturning-roe-v-wade-would-be-a-fatal-blow-to-human/
 Israel’s health minister: Overturning Roe v. Wade would be ‘a fatal blow to 
human rights’ Philissa Cramer Posted May 4, 2022
https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5?
  Jewish organizations say restricting abortion access would violate their 
religious freedoms…..  Jewish communities react to the possible overturning of 
Roe v. Wade, which could violate their First Amendment rights Katie Balevic and 
Katherine Tangalakis-Lippert

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Samiya Illias
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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
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As in the Days of Lot
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On 19-Apr-2022, at 1:32 AM, Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]   References given at the bottom.
  NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined 
below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not 
political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
" Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay 
pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ is 
forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY Times. 
Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on their 
traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend their 
Constitution to ban LGBT

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-22 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

Yeah, its the soft communist totalitarianism that brings together communist's 
who get financed by billionaires, whether it's George or Schwab in the EU. The 
politicians and take the campaign cash. This is merely corruption, and not a 
spiritual thing. So yes, fighting for one's team, is tribal, but physically 
necessary in this case. HOWEVER...
Keep in mind that Vlad seems not the savior of Christianity that you imagine. 
If this is not propaganda, and these are not combatants, then Vlad and his 
supporters, has "some s'plaining to do Lucy!"  
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-04-22/possible-mass-graves-near-mariupol-shown-in-satellite-images

I would wait and see, but do consider how then got into office some years ago 
by having FSB agents deliberately set explosives in the basements of the 
apartments of Russian citizens in order to blame Islamic Jihadists. 
Could this claim be false, a lie by his enemies, globalists, democratic 
socialists, spy agencies, deep state? Yeah, I'd hold out the possibility 
because people like to seize power. Do I suspect this claim is accurate? Yeah, 
he's a KGB agent involved with Mokrie Dela aka wet operations, so killing his 
own for "the cause" seems second nature to him. 
Is the Hudson Institute reliable as a source? I used to think so, but you'll 
decide for yourself. This was from a National Review article 2016. 
https://www.hudson.org/research/12750-vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible



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Benjamin]    I cannot read Putin’s mind!! I simply presented some news clips. I 
also restated what I have done so many times that the West in  general has lost 
her “Awakened” moorings to Marxist pagan-Socialist-Fascist globalists. Philip 
Benjamin    From: spudboy...@aol.com https://www.newsweek.com/russias-putin-says-he-always-liked-communist-socialist-ideas-419289
    So, Vlad plays both ends against the middle as Genghis Khan always did. In 
2022, Putin plays Xi's China versus Modi's India, with hopes of obtaining 
economic and political advantage. Same with communist atheists, and foreign 
nationalists as well. Wait! Isn't this what the Devil is supposed to do too??!! 
  

 -Original Message-
From: Philip Benjamin 
To: Everything List 
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2022 4:32 pm
Subject: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness 
Problem [Philip Benjamin]  References given at the bottom.   NYTimes.com: 
"Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined below knows 
that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not political- an 
unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem. " Western nations commit 
genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades." Says the 
Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ is forced to confront this as a 
threat to its own community" reports NY Times. Russia was frightened by the 
decrepit Western cultural onslaught on their traditional institutions 
especially the school systems. So they amend their Constitution to ban LGBTQ 
agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has long forgotten their 
Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely  a terra 
incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice of 
unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
presumably decided to fill. Philip Benjamin (Nonconformist to Marxist pagan 
globalism)                 NY 
Times.https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html
 "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced Ukraine's 
L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national sovereignty, but 
also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, they say, would be 
less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda."     
https://god.dailydot.

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-22 Thread Samiya Illias

As in the Days of Lot 
https://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/04/as-in-days-of-lot.html?m=1 


> On 19-Apr-2022, at 1:32 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]   References given at the bottom.
>   NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP 
> defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is 
> moral not political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
> " Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold 
> gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ 
> is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
> Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on 
> their traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend 
> their Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has 
> long forgotten their 
> Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
> Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely  a terra 
> incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
> Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice of 
> unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
> presumably decided to fill.
> Philip Benjamin 
> (Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism)
> 
> NY Times. 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html  
> "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced Ukraine's 
> L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national sovereignty, 
> but also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, they say, 
> would be less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda." 
>https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/  Russian Orthodox 
> bishop Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a 
> rather wild claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that Western 
> nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride 
> parades. No, really.
> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/
> "In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified 
> Ukraine's invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the 
> war-hit Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma
>   CNN. 
> https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/  
> March 8, 2022. "Russian Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part 
> of the reason for Ukraine war   From CNNs Delia Gallagher in Rome... 
> Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir 
> Putin, said on Sunday that the conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental 
> rejection of the so-called values that are offered today by those who claim 
> world power." The "test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether 
> your country is willing to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the 
> club of those countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride parade. Not to 
> make a political statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, 
> but to hold a gay parade. And we know how people resist these demands and how 
> this resistance is suppressed by force," Kirill said during a sermon in 
> Moscow. " 
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/europe/putin-proposes-constitutional-ban-on-gay-marriage.html
>   
> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putins-amendments-revere-god-ban-sex-marriages-
> Russia bans same sex marriages. Russian President Vladimir Putin has 
> submitted a slew of proposed amendments to the country's constitution that 
> include a mention of God and describe marriage as a heterosexual union.By 
> VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press
> 
> To: Everything List 
> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. "Come 
> in Telmo! America to Telmo!!" Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 AM
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RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-21 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
   I cannot read Putin's mind!! I simply presented some news clips. I also 
restated what I have done so many times that the West in  general has lost her 
"Awakened" moorings to Marxist pagan-Socialist-Fascist globalists. Philip 
Benjamin

From: spudboy...@aol.com https://www.newsweek.com/russias-putin-says-he-always-liked-communist-socialist-ideas-419289

So, Vlad plays both ends against the middle as Genghis Khan always did. In 
2022, Putin plays Xi's China versus Modi's India, with hopes of obtaining 
economic and political advantage. Same with communist atheists, and foreign 
nationalists as well. Wait! Isn't this what the Devil is supposed to do too??!!


-Original Message-
From: Philip Benjamin mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>>
To: Everything List 
mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>>
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2022 4:32 pm
Subject: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness 
Problem
[Philip Benjamin]  References given at the bottom.
  NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined 
below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not 
political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
" Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay 
pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ is 
forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY Times. 
Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on their 
traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend their 
Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has long 
forgotten their 
Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely  a terra 
incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice of 
unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
presumably decided to fill.
Philip Benjamin
(Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism)

NY Times. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html 

 "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced Ukraine's 
L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national sovereignty, but 
also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, they say, would be 
less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda."
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 

 Russian Orthodox bishop Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, 
came out with a rather wild claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that 
Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay 
pride parades. No, really.
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 

 
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/
"In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified Ukraine's 
invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the war-hit 
Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma
  CNN. 
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

Well, even Stalin ordered the churches reopened during the Great Patriotic War, 
when his deal with Adolf went sour because of Operation Barbarossa. Stalin 
re-opened the churches because he had never considered the upside of focusing 
on a great external enemy versus, as most socialists in the US now do, the 
Great Internal Enemy. This was why Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians to 
death during the 1930's in the Holodomor focusing on the Internal Enemy. The 
Reich SicherheitSdienst  took notice of Stalin's methods and applied these to 
their own program. Also Putin's hero, Stalin signed a nonaggression pact with 
Adolf in August 1939 and they both invaded Poland in September. 
If you think that Putin is launching missiles in Ukraine because "God hates 
fags," you're probably inaccurate, That former KGB man Putin is attempting to 
protect Christianity from the inroads of "Teh Ghey" this also looks, sketchy. 
Rather, like Stalin, he just sees advantage in harnessing people's beliefs for 
the cause of his war and continuance of holding power. 
It seems lastly that the Communists of the Russian Federation support Putin and 
vice-versa.https://www.newsweek.com/russias-putin-says-he-always-liked-communist-socialist-ideas-419289

So, Vlad plays both ends against the middle as Genghis Khan always did. In 
2022, Putin plays Xi's China versus Modi's India, with hopes of obtaining 
economic and political advantage. Same with communist atheists, and foreign 
nationalists as well. Wait! Isn't this what the Devil is supposed to do too??!! 
 


-Original Message-
From: Philip Benjamin 
To: Everything List 
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2022 4:32 pm
Subject: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness 
Problem

[Philip Benjamin]  References given at the bottom.
  NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined 
below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not 
political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
" Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay 
pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ is 
forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY Times. 
Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on their 
traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend their 
Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has long 
forgotten their 
Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely  a terra 
incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice of 
unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
presumably decided to fill.
Philip Benjamin 
(Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism)
            
    NY Times. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html  
"But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced Ukraine's 
L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national sovereignty, but 
also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, they say, would be 
less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda." 
    https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/  Russian Orthodox bishop 
Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a rather wild 
claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that Western nations commit 
genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades. No, really.
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/
"In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified Ukraine's 
invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the war-hit 
Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma
  CNN. 
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/  
March 8, 2022. "Russian Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part of 
the reason for Ukraine war  From CNNs Delia Gallagher in Rome... Patriarch 
Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said on 
Sunday that the conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental rejection of the 
so-called values that are offered today by those who claim world power." The 
"test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether your country is 
willing to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the club of those 
countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride parade. Not to make a political 
statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, but to hold a gay 
parade. And we know how people resist these demands and how this resistance is 
suppressed by force," Kirill said during a sermon in Moscow. "

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-19 Thread John Clark

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:20 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

*> Could somebody disable Benjamin's hyphen key?*
>

And delete "pagan" from Benjamin's vocabulary.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis


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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker


Could somebody disable Benjamin's hyphen key?

Brent

On 4/18/2022 1:32 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote:

[Philip Benjamin]   References given at the bottom.
NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP 
defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not 
political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
" Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox 
Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on their traditional institutions especially the 
school systems. So they amend their Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has 
long forgotten their Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- Puritan-"Great Awakening" 
roots which have now become largely  a terra incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice of unawakened consciousness created a leadership 
vacuum which Russia now presumably decided to fill.
Philip Benjamin
(Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism)
 
  NY Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html  "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced Ukraine's L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national sovereignty, but also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, they say, would be less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda."

 https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/  Russian Orthodox bishop Kirill, 
the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a rather wild claim about 
"the West" during a sermon, saying that Western nations commit genocide upon 
other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades. No, really.
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/
"In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified Ukraine's invasion 
& blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the war-hit Ukraine". Written By 
Ajay Sharma
CNN. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/  March 8, 2022. "Russian 
Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part of the reason for Ukraine war   From CNNs Delia Gallagher in 
Rome... Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said on Sunday that the 
conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental rejection of the so-called values that are offered today by those who 
claim world power." The "test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether your country is willing 
to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the club of those countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride 
parade. Not to make a political statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, but to hold a gay parade. And 
we know how people resist these demands and how this resistance is suppressed by force," Kirill said during a 
sermon in Moscow. "
  
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/europe/putin-proposes-constitutional-ban-on-gay-marriage.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putins-amendments-revere-god-ban-sex-marriages-
Russia bans same sex marriages. Russian President Vladimir Putin has 
submitted a slew of proposed amendments to the country's constitution that 
include a mention of God and describe marriage as a heterosexual union.By 
VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press

To: Everything List 
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. "Come in 
Telmo! America to Telmo!!" Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 AM




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