Re: [Evolution] imap trash folder
On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 18:04, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: Second, a different IMAP mailer on a different machine, say emacs or outlook, won't know anything about evo's virtual folder; all it could do is to look at the unexpunged email. That's undesirable since a user would need to scroll through a mix of new and old deleted stuff. No, the mailer would only show non-deleted messages. This is not true. Deleting a message in evolution, then accessing the imap folder with outlook shows the deleted message message. At least with Exchange as the imap server. Deleting a message in outlook and going into the folder with evolution does not show the message deleted with outlook, even with show deleted messages selected. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] imap trash folder
You can configure Outlook to not show deleted messages Outlook has 2 modes for IMAP, 1 is where they show deleted messages and the other is where they move deleted messages to a Trash folder. Jeff On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 11:08, Dwight Hubbard wrote: On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 18:04, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: Second, a different IMAP mailer on a different machine, say emacs or outlook, won't know anything about evo's virtual folder; all it could do is to look at the unexpunged email. That's undesirable since a user would need to scroll through a mix of new and old deleted stuff. No, the mailer would only show non-deleted messages. This is not true. Deleting a message in evolution, then accessing the imap folder with outlook shows the deleted message message. At least with Exchange as the imap server. Deleting a message in outlook and going into the folder with evolution does not show the message deleted with outlook, even with show deleted messages selected. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Ximian, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ximian.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] imap trash folder
On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 11:43, Mark Neill wrote: This is not true. Deleting a message in evolution, then accessing the imap folder with outlook shows the deleted message message. At least with Exchange as the imap server. Deleting a message in outlook and going into the folder with evolution does not show the message deleted with outlook, even with show deleted messages selected. This is because of Evo's delete behavior. Deleted messages are not removed until you expunge. An Evo-deleted mail is only deleted in Evo's VFolder configuration. When you expunge, the needed DELETE commands are issued to the servers to physically delete the messages. As a clarification: No, the needed delete commands (actually, you tell the IMAP server to mark them as deleted) are done on a timer (we sync flags in batch mode every couple of minutes or whenever you do something that forces us to sync flags) To explain...no, will take too long. To summarize, delete in Evo is a logical delete. Expunge is a physical delete. That's how it works in IMAP too. -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Ximian, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ximian.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] imap trash folder
Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: There really isn't a standard IMAP trash folder thing. Hmm... yes, I suppose the IMAP standard doesn't require a trash folder. We use a virtual Trash folder, but we might add support for a physical trash folder for maybe 1.2 or 1.4 or something. I looked at how virtual folders worked and it appears that -- if they are to emulate the function of an IMAP trash folder -- they would require you to leave all delete-marked email in your inbox without doing an expunge. Am I right about that? There are a couple of disadvantages to this. First, IMAP downloads would be very slow, since you'd need to download all those unexpunged headers every thime you log on. Second, a different IMAP mailer on a different machine, say emacs or outlook, won't know anything about evo's virtual folder; all it could do is to look at the unexpunged email. That's undesirable since a user would need to scroll through a mix of new and old deleted stuff. This would also create a potential for error since other IMAP mailers may be set up to automatically move delete-marked email to an IMAP trash folder. In fact, even if you're always using evo, I don't understand how evo's on different machines could know about each other's virtual folders. Seems like most IMAP users will be on multiple machines and many of them will be using multiple IMAP mailers (my case). Virtual folders seem best suited to the case where you're always using the same machine and mailer. Am I understanding this correctly? Any chance that a true IMAP trash folder could be implemented sooner than 1.2 or 1.4? Thanks, Scott Jeff On Sat, 2001-11-24 at 07:34, Scott Otterson wrote: I'd like to automatically store deleted messages in an IMAP trash folder (like with most IMAP mailers). Is this currently possible? Is it planned? I dial in from many different computers so local trash folder storage isn't an option. Leaving a bunch of unexpunged email in my inbox also isn't desirable because it makes downloads painfully slow. Manually moving individual mail messages to an IMAP trash folder is also slow and cumbersome. So, I'd really like to see the standard IMAP trash folder. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] imap trash folder
On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 13:08, Scott Otterson wrote: Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: There really isn't a standard IMAP trash folder thing. Hmm... yes, I suppose the IMAP standard doesn't require a trash folder. We use a virtual Trash folder, but we might add support for a physical trash folder for maybe 1.2 or 1.4 or something. I looked at how virtual folders worked and it appears that -- if they are to emulate the function of an IMAP trash folder -- they would require you to leave all delete-marked email in your inbox without doing an expunge. Am I right about that? Yes. There are a couple of disadvantages to this. First, IMAP downloads would be very slow, since you'd need to download all those unexpunged headers every thime you log on. No it wouldn't, we cache this information locally. Second, a different IMAP mailer on a different machine, say emacs or outlook, won't know anything about evo's virtual folder; all it could do is to look at the unexpunged email. That's undesirable since a user would need to scroll through a mix of new and old deleted stuff. No, the mailer would only show non-deleted messages. This would also create a potential for error since other IMAP mailers may be set up to automatically move delete-marked email to an IMAP trash folder. In fact, even if you're always using evo, I don't understand how evo's on different machines could know about each other's virtual folders. Why would they need to know about each other's vfolders? They don't. Seems like most IMAP users will be on multiple machines and many of them will be using multiple IMAP mailers (my case). Virtual folders seem best suited to the case where you're always using the same machine and mailer. Not true at all, well, except for the same mailer part - but that's only because no other IMAP client supports vFolders. Am I understanding this correctly? Any chance that a true IMAP trash folder could be implemented sooner than 1.2 or 1.4? No, 1.0 is basically read right now - no new features will be added. Jeff PS: keep in mind that Pine does not move messages to any Trash folder, it just marks them as Deleted - same as Evolution. On another note, Outlook can be configured to view deleted messages or to move them to Deleted Items (this is another point, not every mailer calls the Trash folder by the same name so it's really impossible to be compatible with all other mailers with reguards to IMAP trash anyway). -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Ximian, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ximian.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] imap trash folder
Any chance that a true IMAP trash folder could be implemented sooner than 1.2 or 1.4? No. 1.0 has been feature-frozen for quite a while now. -- Dan ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
NotZed may consider this off-topic merely by virtue of the fact that it's a topic Not Open To Discussion, but I'll answer your question anyway. It certainly has to do with Evolution and the Evolution User Experience. 10/23/2001 6:19:38 PM, Eric Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Eric Lambart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:51 PM To: Zot O'Connor; NotZed Cc: Evolution List Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder? I find it really annoying to lose my messages permanently when I expunge the source mailbox; they should remain in the Trash until I expunge/empty that, too. Why would you ever expunge a source mailbox at all, except to remove all the deleted messages in it? Are you saying you want to have 2 kinds of deleted messages? I only want one kind of deleted message. The kind that gets copied into my Trash folder (not vfolder) and marked deleted in my source folder. Of course, the larger a mailbox gets (as long as you're using mbox or another one-file format anyway), the harder it is to find the wheat amongst the chaff, so to speak, and of course, the slower the MUA gets. So like most folks I delete messages I don't want to save, which (with all mail clients I've used before) doesn't really delete the message; it just flags it for deletion. That's the first step; less clutter to look at. When I want to clean up and optimize my mbox file, I purge/expunge/whatever the folder. What if I realize I actually need some information from one of those messages I deleted? No problem, it's in my Trash... might be hard to find, but I know it'll be there. With Evolution, you're Out Of Luck. Byebye. Yeah so meanwhile, there is this Trash folder that of course gets bigger and bigger and bigger but that's not a problem for me as I rarely look in it. New deleted messages get appended to the end which is a fairly clean and quick operation no matter how big the file. Periodically I'll go into the Trash mailbox, and clear out anything more than a few months old; at that point I probably won't ever go looking for those things. My Trash always remains a manageable size, my normal mail folders remain As Small And Quick As Possible. So to answer your question, you'd expunge a source mailbox to optimize it (by deleting the messages in it). The Trash folder would have backups of all those messages until you eventually CHOOSE to send them into the void as well. If you use maildir I suppose you don't care about mailbox size but I haven't chosen to make that change yet. mbox format has worked fine for me for countless years. there when you want to _really_ delete them. Seems silly to me. Well, Eric, everyone's favorite system seems silly to someone else. I wouldn't call Evo's silly... just annoying and counterintutive to ME (though I'm obviously not alone) as well as a deviation from a methodology that, IMHO, didn't need fixing. But so be it, it's done. I'm not asking them to change it, I'm just sympathizing with Zot's surprise at Ximian choosing to do things their own way; I don't think it was fair to flame him for that. Anyway, I care a lot less about all this now that all (?) the new-message-in-folder bugs seem to be fixed. Until recently I would have to perodically open each folder and toggle Show/Hide Deleted Messages to get new messages to appear. That was incredibly annoying on its own but what really got me was having to see (and wait for Evolution to digest and display) all the messages I'd recently deleted. Because of that, I expunged folders much much more often than I normally would, and discovered to my dismay that my Trash was getting emptied simultaneously (without warning) when I went looking for messages I'd changed my mind about deleting. One kind that stays in the folder, and one kind that you dragged or moved into the Trash folder? Then why even use a trash folder? You might as well just move / drag them into a regular folder and delete / expunge them Perhaps I would; but there's no one-keypress way to do that so it's out of the question. Please forgive my silliness, and I'll forgive yours :-) --Eric ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
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RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 07:08, Rich Rudnick wrote: What metaphor has a piece of paper in two places simultaneously? hmm.. that would break the theory of relativity. but, I don't see evolution as broken. View the trash folder as all messages in all folders that are marked for deletion. You have two ways of deleting each message: empty trash or expunge the real folder that the message lives in. In real life, I take an object from one location (a folder), and place it in another (a trash basket). It cannot exist in both places at once. but in evo it isn't actually moved to the trash folder. You mark it for deletion + the trash folder is just a convenience that allows you to examine the full set of messages marked for deletion. Until I explicitly empty that trash basket I should be able to get that object back out of the trash. if you want evo to behave that way, then simply don't go expunging messages from you folders. But for now, I'll adapt to the software (which is not right) and just wait for a configuration option post 1.0 :) Isn't all you are really after the ability to hide deleted messages from the real folder? You can do this from the Actions menu. It would be nice if there was a keyboard accelerator attached to this action. I get the impression I'm missing something here about the way you are working with evolution.. but I can't figure out what. John ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 01:24, John N S Gill wrote: On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 07:08, Rich Rudnick wrote: What metaphor has a piece of paper in two places simultaneously? I get the impression I'm missing something here about the way you are working with evolution.. but I can't figure out what. Nope, you didn't miss anything. About an hour after writing that message I rediscovered the 'hide deleted messages' checkbox and 'blink' went the lightbulb. For me, a pop user, that's sufficient. I quess a message can exist in two places at once as long as one is unperceived. :) ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- first impressions are bunk (unknown) ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
How about instead of Trash it's called vTrash? Sometime in the future (after 1.0) you could enable the user to choose either a Trash folder or a vTrash folder. -- Mike Sangrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Landisburg, Pa. The first one last wins. A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
10/24/2001 9:03:59 AM, Mike Sangrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about instead of Trash it's called vTrash? Sometime in the future (after 1.0) you could enable the user to choose either a Trash folder or a vTrash folder. Yeah, I seriously think the best (and SAFEST) interim solution should indicate _somehow_ that it is a vFolder. I like your idea, but wouldn't it be more a lot more consistent to simply put it in the vFolder tree? Someone might think vTrash was a typo; but if it was listed separately from all the other (real) folders, new users would realize something was up and probably learn about vFolders in the process... and, we wouldn't have a vFolder sneakily hiding amonst the real folders--which just doesn't seem right to me. --Eric ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 12:50, Eric Lambart wrote: 10/24/2001 9:03:59 AM, Mike Sangrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about instead of Trash it's called vTrash? Sometime in the future (after 1.0) you could enable the user to choose either a Trash folder or a vTrash folder. Yeah, I seriously think the best (and SAFEST) interim solution should indicate _somehow_ that it is a vFolder. I like your idea, but wouldn't it be more a lot more consistent to simply put it in the vFolder tree? Someone might think vTrash was a typo; but if it was listed separately from all the other (real) folders, new users would realize something was up and probably learn about vFolders in the process... and, we wouldn't have a vFolder sneakily hiding amonst the real folders--which just doesn't seem right to me. I don't think people would think `vTrash' is anymore a typo than `vFolders'. And the `v' leans toward a commonly accepted convention. At least it feels that way to me. Also, if you stick `Trash' down in `vFolders' I would have assumed THAT `Trash' folder had something to do with stuff deleted out of `vFolders' and that REALLY gets confusing. BTW, I haven't tried it, but what is suppose to happen if someone drags and drops an email from a folder to `Trash'? Does that do the right thing? You'll have people do that, you know. Maybe this was discussed already and I missed it. -- Mike Sangrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Landisburg, Pa. The first one last wins. A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 09:50, Eric Lambart wrote: 10/24/2001 9:03:59 AM, Mike Sangrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about instead of Trash it's called vTrash? Sometime in the future (after 1.0) you could enable the user to choose either a Trash folder or a vTrash folder. Yeah, I seriously think the best (and SAFEST) interim solution should indicate _somehow_ that it is a vFolder. I like your idea, but wouldn't it be more a lot more consistent to simply put it in the vFolder tree? Someone might think vTrash was a typo; but if it was listed separately from all the other (real) folders, new users would realize something was up and probably learn about vFolders in the process... and, we wouldn't have a vFolder sneakily hiding amonst the real folders--which just doesn't seem right to me. I seem to recall adding a feature request a long time ago that the icons used to indicate VFolders would be different from the IMAP and local mail folders. Personally, I think this would provide a big boost in clarity of understanding for users. Come to thing of it, since a user can have both a POP account and an IMAP account set up, showing different icons for local and remote (IMAP) folders would be useful, too. Miles ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
10/24/2001 10:09:24 AM, Mike Sangrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think people would think `vTrash' is anymore a typo than `vFolders'. And the `v' leans toward a commonly accepted convention. At least it feels that way to me. Also, if you stick `Trash' down in `vFolders' I would have assumed THAT `Trash' folder had something to do with stuff deleted out of `vFolders' and that REALLY gets confusing. Hm... I must concede that you have another very good point! Really, I'd be happy either way, but unless this thread drags on long enough that they'll do anything to shut us up, I have a feeling the good folks at Evo will just leave it be. Sigh. For some reason they seem particularly preoccupied with fixes for more serious bugs at the moment. I just can't understand that =) BTW, I haven't tried it, but what is suppose to happen if someone drags and drops an email from a folder to `Trash'? Does that do the right thing? You'll have people do that, you know. Maybe this was discussed already and I missed it. Hmmm. I _believe_ there was some sort of bug (besides the numerous general drag-n-drop bugs that have been fixed) related to this, but I think it has been fixed. Being at work and booted into Windoze I can't check it myself ATM. What happens when you drag a message into a different vFolder? Does such an action even make sense? --Eric ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:09:24PM -0400, Mike Sangrey wrote: Also, if you stick `Trash' down in `vFolders' I would have assumed THAT `Trash' folder had something to do with stuff deleted out of `vFolders' and that REALLY gets confusing. I think this is the problem: The term Trash has a meaning assigned to it that people are accustomed to from using other mail clients... Deleted things get *moved* into it, and you go in there to pull them out. Furthermore, you're used to seeing one for each account you pull mail from. We're running into problems because we're using the same term but it means something completely different. My suggestion? Rename Trash to Deleted Items and put it down among the vFolders. (You can pick something shorter/more specific than Deleted Items, as long as it doesn't confuse with Trash.) If, as some have suggested, traditional Trash functionality is available in a later release, call THAT Trash, but retain Deleted Items for the name of this vFolder. Bret -- Bret Mogilefsky * Mgr. SCEA Developer Support * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
Bret Mogilefsky wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:09:24PM -0400, Mike Sangrey wrote: Also, if you stick `Trash' down in `vFolders' I would have assumed THAT `Trash' folder had something to do with stuff deleted out of `vFolders' and that REALLY gets confusing. I think this is the problem: The term Trash has a meaning assigned to it that people are accustomed to from using other mail clients... Deleted things get *moved* into it, and you go in there to pull them out. Furthermore, you're used to seeing one for each account you pull mail from. We're running into problems because we're using the same term but it means something completely different. My suggestion? Rename Trash to Deleted Items and put it down among the vFolders. (You can pick something shorter/more specific than Deleted Items, as long as it doesn't confuse with Trash.) If, as some have suggested, traditional Trash functionality is available in a later release, call THAT Trash, but retain Deleted Items for the name of this vFolder. Bret I with Bret on this. Especially since, using the Trash name means that I can't get to the real IMAP folder called Trash that all my other mail readers use. Having the vFolder would be fine if Evo was all I use. Many of us use more than just evo to access mail. I use Evo on Linux, Mozilla on windows, mutt when remote and so on. Scott ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:26:52PM -0400, Mike Sangrey wrote: On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 13:51, Bret Mogilefsky wrote: My suggestion? Rename Trash to Deleted Items and put it down among the vFolders. (You can pick something shorter/more specific than Deleted Items, as long as it doesn't confuse with Trash.) If, as some have suggested, traditional Trash functionality is available in a later release, call THAT Trash, but retain Deleted Items for the name of this vFolder. I think that might work well. Deleted Items becomes one of several vFolders and Trash, with its rather concrete, real object nuance fits, too. I'm not sure of the protocol, but I think you should move that forward as a suggestion. Whether that's bugzilla or what, just do it. I have no idea. Ximians? Bret -- Bret Mogilefsky * Mgr. SCEA Developer Support * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
You will eventually be able to do trash the normal way. http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6061 ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
I've got procmail running on my IMAP server, and some messages are being refiled into the Trash. However, Evolution doesn't seem to be able to see any messages in the Trash folder - it seems like this folder is special. Is this intentional? It does make it next to impossible to empty the IMAP Trash folder... I'm running 0.16.99 [+cvs.2001.10.22.19.12] Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
The folder called Trash that appears in your IMAP folder tree is actually a vfolder of all messages with the deleted flag set in all your IMAP folders. I think that currently, if you have a real folder named Trash on your IMAP server, there's no way to see it. WOW isn't this INCREDIBLY nonstandard? The other mail clients I have tested do a IMAP move to Trash. This would indicate that Evolution is not compatible with other mailers accessing the mailbox! -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
This was not meant as flame blait. I am shocked the evo would do this, unless other clients are doing this. I have not seen a client do this behavior, I thought most POP client did a local move to Trash (like a IMAP move). On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 16:45, NotZed wrote: Can you please take your off-topic flame-bait elsewhere? The folder called Trash that appears in your IMAP folder tree is actually a vfolder of all messages with the deleted flag set in all your IMAP folders. I think that currently, if you have a real folder named Trash on your IMAP server, there's no way to see it. WOW isn't this INCREDIBLY nonstandard? The other mail clients I have tested do a IMAP move to Trash. This would indicate that Evolution is not compatible with other mailers accessing the mailbox! -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
10/23/2001 4:56:20 PM, Zot O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was not meant as flame blait. I am shocked the evo would do this, unless other clients are doing this. I have not seen a client do this behavior, I thought most POP client did a local move to Trash (like a IMAP move). Most POP clients do. I sure wish Evo did it this way. vFolders may have some use to some people, but Trash doesn't seem like a good one to me. I find it really annoying to lose my messages permanently when I expunge the source mailbox; they should remain in the Trash until I expunge/empty that, too. But I'm afraid that's probably written in stone and so there's no use complaining any more; you seem to have touched a nerve already =) As long as the rest of Evo continues to make sense and work fairly well, I think I'll stick with it. Perhaps after a couple of years of using Evo the Trash system will make sense to me and I'll be annoyed by anyone doing it the normal way --Eric ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 17:50, Eric Lambart wrote: 10/23/2001 4:56:20 PM, Zot O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not seen a client do this behavior, I thought most POP client did a local move to Trash (like a IMAP move). Most POP clients do. I sure wish Evo did it this way. vFolders may have some use to some people, but Trash doesn't seem like a good one to me. I find it really annoying to lose my messages permanently when I expunge the source mailbox; they should remain in the Trash until I expunge/empty that, too. So that's what's happening with the trash. I thought it was a bug. -- first impressions are bunk (unknown) ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder?
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 18:19, Eric Newman wrote: -Original Message- From: Eric Lambart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:51 PM To: Zot O'Connor; NotZed Cc: Evolution List Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP Trash folder? I find it really annoying to lose my messages permanently when I expunge the source mailbox; they should remain in the Trash until I expunge/empty that, too. Why would you ever expunge a source mailbox at all, except to remove all the deleted messages in it? Are you saying you want to have 2 kinds of deleted messages? One kind that stays in the folder, and one kind that you dragged or moved into the Trash folder? Then why even use a trash folder? You might as well just move / drag them into a regular folder and delete / expunge them there when you want to _really_ delete them. Seems silly to me. Eric What metaphor has a piece of paper in two places simultaneously? In real life, I take an object from one location (a folder), and place it in another (a trash basket). It cannot exist in both places at once. Until I explicitly empty that trash basket I should be able to get that object back out of the trash. But for now, I'll adapt to the software (which is not right) and just wait for a configuration option post 1.0 :) -- first impressions are bunk (unknown) ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
