RE: Converting OST to PST
With a Win2K machine running post SP3, Syskey is enabled by default and makes most attempts at breaking the users password useless unless you are launching a brute force login attack. I have had some limited success with logging into the machine as a another privilaged user account, rolling the machine back to pre-SP3 and then using l0phtcrack to crunch through the password. Then again, calling the recently departed user never hurts, either! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Converting OST to PST One other option is to start the machine up, log in as the user (using cached credentials) and then open Outlook offline, and copy it to a PST. That's assuming, of course, you can reasonably hack their password. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Douglas A. Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Converting OST to PST There is in fact an OST2PST converter. I used it several years ago to convert the ost of a user that had left on his computer. It worked like a champ and I think it cost less then $100. I don't remember the website but you should be able to google for it. -Doug Jones -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juancho Ciocon Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Converting OST to PST Hi, folks: Our environment: native AD and E2k SP3, WinXP on the desktops, Outlook 2000/2002 clients. Would anyone have tips on how to access OSTs when the primary mailbox owner/account has already been deleted from AD? We recently had some downsizing and are trying to get to emails on laptops but have deleted the AD accounts. Is there an OST-to-PST conversion tool, perhaps? Thanks in advance for any help! Regards, -Juancho _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Hardware requirements for Front end/ Back end server -- EX200 3
I can't get too scientific here, but I currently have 100 in-house users running outlook, plus another 50 at any given time accessing their mail over OWA. All of this is being done on the following very modest hardware: Intel P3-1000 Mhz, 512 MB Ram and 10k rpm SCSI disks. I log all of the performance statistics with perfmon and the CPU utilization never rises above 60%, and that includes when the online defragmenter runs at 1:15am. Your mileage will vary with the types of users you have. Unless you have a compelling security need to run a FE/BE configuration, I don't see the need to get so complex when you have a relatively small number of users. A nice Dual 2.8 GHz Xeon box with 1 GB ram and lots of SCSI discs should be more than ample amount of capability to suit your needs. You haven't told us anything about your usage profile, so I could be totally off. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: JohLex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Hardware requirements for Front end/ Back end server -- EX2003 Dear All, I am getting ready to upgrade an Exch 5.5 system running on NT4 to Exch 2003 on Win 2003 and am trying to decide whther or not to use a front end server. I will have approx. 100 users accessing this server via POP3/IMAP and another 30 or so via OWA. Additionally I will have another 200 mailboxes in house. If somone could point me to a web site where I could find some definitive info on this or share any personal experiences I would be very grateful. Thanks and best regards. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: doubletake
That's a huge dog if it can excrete enough wee to flood a beefy mail server Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Kevinm [NY] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: doubletake What does double take really do for exchange?? Yeah so I have a bit by bit copy of the store, my dog comes in and pees on my primary server, now what will double take do for me? will it change IP and Server for me to fail over? How do my users see that there is a double take server?? Any one run this or have it installed that can tell me?? Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: doubletake
You know, we probably weren't going to go there Dancing bears, dancing bears. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake And just to be clear, I said meet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Cool. A dog thread. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Mine is like that. Half pit bull, half german shepard and the biggest pussy you will ever meet. He is nothing but love. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevinm [NY] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake The dog is 150 pounds, half wolf, half German Sheppard. About the dumbest most loveable dog I have ever met. But boy does he smell... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake That's a huge dog if it can excrete enough wee to flood a beefy mail server Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Kevinm [NY] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: doubletake What does double take really do for exchange?? Yeah so I have a bit by bit copy of the store, my dog comes in and pees on my primary server, now what will double take do for me? will it change IP and Server for me to fail over? How do my users see that there is a double take server?? Any one run this or have it installed that can tell me?? Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Internet Mail Issues
If you are doing your SMTP, you must have a MX record of some sort located on a DNS server somewhere. Are you hosting your own DNS or is your ISP hosting DNS zones for your subnet? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Crista Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Internet Mail Issues I have a client who is migrating away from an ISP hosted POP mail account to a newly created exch 2003 box and we're experiencing 5.5.0 smtp;550 Dynamic IPs/open relays blocked. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED], 5.5.0 smtp;550-68.37.144.103 blocked by blacklist.mail.ops.asp.att.net. and to aol Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified. I've contacted both earthlink and att/comcast and both insist that the new server is not blacklisted and a quick search on ORDB shows we are not blacklisted (The server had only been up 4 hours and we were getting this message from att/comcast!) I've locked down the server and we're not allowing relay so I'm thinking it might be reverse dns, but comcast (our isp) won't allow us to host reverse dns or set up an entry for us. Before we shutdown the server and get an new ISP that will allow reverse dns, does anyone else have an idea? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Internet Mail Issues
Think back to Airplane the movie. Shirley == Surely Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Mail Issues Who is Shirley Comcast? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of East, Bill Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Mail Issues Shirley Comcast will allow you to relay your outbound mail through their MXed, reverse-DNSed mailhost, right? If so, just point your Exchange server to relay all outbound mail through them. If not, ditch Comcast. They're not a business-class ISP in my opinion, at least. -- be - MOS Replace repetitive expressions by calls to a common function. -Original Message- From: Crista Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Internet Mail Issues I have a client who is migrating away from an ISP hosted POP mail account to a newly created exch 2003 box and we're experiencing 5.5.0 smtp;550 Dynamic IPs/open relays blocked. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED], 5.5.0 smtp;550-68.37.144.103 blocked by blacklist.mail.ops.asp.att.net. and to aol Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified. I've contacted both earthlink and att/comcast and both insist that the new server is not blacklisted and a quick search on ORDB shows we are not blacklisted (The server had only been up 4 hours and we were getting this message from att/comcast!) I've locked down the server and we're not allowing relay so I'm thinking it might be reverse dns, but comcast (our isp) won't allow us to host reverse dns or set up an entry for us. Before we shutdown the server and get an new ISP that will allow reverse dns, does anyone else have an idea? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Outsourcing email?
In the states we call that inter-office mail. ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? So you only transfer mail within systems over which you have complete control? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 13:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I personally don't trust other's handing my mail - then again, I'm apparently a bit of a control freak when it comes to that kind of thing. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
It's Nemesis from Shriekback. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Name a 80's dance band that successfully used the word Parthenogenesis in a song, for $5.38 and an ethical conflict from Microsoft. -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics VH1 - Where are they now :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics And just who's survey list did you use to verify this? Billboard or the AT40 list? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:33 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I said TOP 10 Classic Hit :) Tom M. of Texas is the winner if anyone cares. The song was Jessie's Girl by Rick Springfield. Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Rob Hackney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics : Speaking of MOOT, can anyone tell me what top 10 classic rock single contains the word MOOT? Do you mean in the band name, song title or lyrics? Eg: Moot The Hoople - Ballad of Mott the Hoople (1973)? This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
I'm not telling =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Tell me you Googled that. -- be - MOS One more such victory, and we are lost. --Pyrrus -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics It's Nemesis from Shriekback. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Name a 80's dance band that successfully used the word Parthenogenesis in a song, for $5.38 and an ethical conflict from Microsoft. -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics VH1 - Where are they now :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics And just who's survey list did you use to verify this? Billboard or the AT40 list? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:33 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I said TOP 10 Classic Hit :) Tom M. of Texas is the winner if anyone cares. The song was Jessie's Girl by Rick Springfield. Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Rob Hackney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics : Speaking of MOOT, can anyone tell me what top 10 classic rock single contains the word MOOT? Do you mean in the band name, song title or lyrics? Eg: Moot The Hoople - Ballad of Mott the Hoople (1973)? This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: TONS of NDR's
My comment was about his 1,2,3 Profit! Method. That joke has been endlessly run on slashdot.org postings lately. True, I think that original 1,2,3 Profit! Joke came from Southpark, but I got it from slashdot. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You don't have to read slashdot to know that. I had to apply special rules to get rid of this mailbox polution. Spammers have found my domainname to be interesting as From: they make up names in the form or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know ppl who had to give up the use of their domainname because it was impossible to use it anymore. In the past I have complained but it seems that several ISP's are forwarding the message resulting in more and more NDR's. B. At 08:52 19-12-2003 -0600, you wrote: You obviously read Slashdot.org Eric Fretz -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You may be relay free (i.e. a spammer is *not* using your servers as a relay) but said scumbag is using one of your addresses as a forged From: address. 1) spammer sends out messages appearing to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) many many many recipients do not exist 3) receiving mail systems send the NDR bounce to the perceived sender [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) ??? 5) profit! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TONS of NDR's
Thus proving the point that User's are the root of all IT problems! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's Funny turn of events, I was running down remote users and veryifying strong passwords when the manager of sales comes in and someone text messaged his phone with his domain password. interesting. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's My comment was about his 1,2,3 Profit! Method. That joke has been endlessly run on slashdot.org postings lately. True, I think that original 1,2,3 Profit! Joke came from Southpark, but I got it from slashdot. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You don't have to read slashdot to know that. I had to apply special rules to get rid of this mailbox polution. Spammers have found my domainname to be interesting as From: they make up names in the form or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know ppl who had to give up the use of their domainname because it was impossible to use it anymore. In the past I have complained but it seems that several ISP's are forwarding the message resulting in more and more NDR's. B. At 08:52 19-12-2003 -0600, you wrote: You obviously read Slashdot.org Eric Fretz -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You may be relay free (i.e. a spammer is *not* using your servers as a relay) but said scumbag is using one of your addresses as a forged From: address. 1) spammer sends out messages appearing to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) many many many recipients do not exist 3) receiving mail systems send the NDR bounce to the perceived sender [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) ??? 5) profit! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only?
In situations like this, I have told the users that they can only edit document at certain times of the day. For example: User A can only edit from 8:00AM TO 10:00AM, 12:00PM TO 2:00PM. User B can only edit from 10:00AM to 12:00PM, 2:00PM to 4:00PM. Is this a great solution? Hell no. Can I enforce proper behavior? Hell no. While this is a terrible solution, (in my situation) it did get the two user who needed edit right on the document talking to each other when they needed to make changes. For the most part, the users took care of the access issues themselves. Have you looked into MS Word's workgroup features? It seems like there used to be a way to allow workgroup editing on the same document without corrupting each others changes. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Jason Clishe Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? The document management suggestion was inappropriate because we have a single document that 2 people have modify rights to and another dozen or so people can read. So deploying a DMS is an expensive solution when the problem boils down to preventing 2 people from modifying one particular file at the same time. Especially if there is an inherent method within Exchange to prevent the problem from happening in the first place, which is really all I wanted to know. Thank you for your answer though. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? The answer was correct. What Ed left out was the No. at the front in answer to your question of whether there is any way to prevent multiple editors of an attachment to a public folder. Did you go look at the 80-20 web site and see what features there product offers? What exactly makes the suggestion of a product which may solve your problem inappropriate? There are also lots of others with different feature sets as Ed alluded. As for little value to the thread, complaining because you didn't get the answer you wanted regardless of the veracity of the answer really has low value. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Jason Clishe Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Deploy a real document management system? Not only does this suggestion not asnwer the question I asked, it is completely inappropriate for my particular situation, and adds little value to this thread. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Deploy a real document management system, one that has the capability to check out and check in documents. http://www.80-20.com is one that integrates with Exchange. There are many others that may or may not integrate with Exchange. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 2:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? When a user has a Public Folder attachment open, other users can also open the same attachment and make changes. Is there any way to prevent this? For example, to force the document to open as read-only when someone else has it open? Jason _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only?
Jason, Do not anger the Exchange gods. They are vengeful gods. See the thread Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 for examples. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Jason Clishe Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? I disagree. I presented a scenario and asked a yes or no question. I supplied enough information for a yes or no answer. I did not ask for assistance with a design or a solution, just a simple question about whether or not Exchange has the capability to do what I asked. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Hobson Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? I think Ed's answer was appropriate given the amount of information you gave out in your first post. Neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Posted At: 22 December 2003 15:22 Posted To: Swynk Exchange (30 days) Conversation: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? The document management suggestion was inappropriate because we have a single document that 2 people have modify rights to and another dozen or so people can read. So deploying a DMS is an expensive solution when the problem boils down to preventing 2 people from modifying one particular file at the same time. Especially if there is an inherent method within Exchange to prevent the problem from happening in the first place, which is really all I wanted to know. Thank you for your answer though. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? The answer was correct. What Ed left out was the No. at the front in answer to your question of whether there is any way to prevent multiple editors of an attachment to a public folder. Did you go look at the 80-20 web site and see what features there product offers? What exactly makes the suggestion of a product which may solve your problem inappropriate? There are also lots of others with different feature sets as Ed alluded. As for little value to the thread, complaining because you didn't get the answer you wanted regardless of the veracity of the answer really has low value. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Jason Clishe Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Deploy a real document management system? Not only does this suggestion not asnwer the question I asked, it is completely inappropriate for my particular situation, and adds little value to this thread. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Deploy a real document management system, one that has the capability to check out and check in documents. http://www.80-20.com is one that integrates with Exchange. There are many others that may or may not integrate with Exchange. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 2:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? When a user has a Public Folder attachment open, other users can also open the same attachment and make changes. Is there any way to prevent this? For example, to force the document to open as read-only when someone else has it open? Jason _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Greg, I hope that you are not typing these long marathon e-mail responses on your clients' time. That could be an ethical dilemma. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money, the other doesn't. I am not quibbling with what you said, I'm instead taking offense at what you said. You see, you can't claim to be the all ethical sort you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your own making. I didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near and dear. How interesting that you choose to respond ONLY to one point, and then make irrelevant statements about people calling you names. Since I didn't call you names sir, perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole message. It's not that I consider you a liar, or that you are stupid. I now consider you incapable of having any type of intelligent discussion based on the fact that you choose to ignore 2/3rds of what was posted, or should I just assume that you chose not to discuss those points because you couldn't keep your I have my Ethics argument and all this would be moot? Speaking of MOOT, can anyone tell me what top 10 classic rock single contains the word MOOT? Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics So you are going to quibble with things that I said? You people are so whacked out that it is utterly incomprehensible. So where were you when I was called a liar or a wife beater or stupid or idiot or that I starve children. All of that is OK in your whacky bizarro world, but explaining to someone that if you start a fight (in email for Christ's sake) that I will finish that fight. Oh that is TERRIBLE! How could you SAY such a thing. Never mind the liar, stupid, idiot stuff, THAT, sir, is uncalled for. Bob, you amaze me. You know, I'm just as happy to NOT read this dribble, but when someone points out so wonderfully how ethical they are, and we can all go to=20 www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml to prove it, then someone like me just might go
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Do'h! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Since he's only a Sales Manager, I wouldn't think he would have billable hours to clients. It's not like he's an MVP :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I am so very, very touched by your concern. Never fear, I keep such activities as this list well separated from hours billed to clients. Greg, I hope that you are not typing these long marathon e-mail responses on your clients' time. That could be an ethical dilemma. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Not to mention all of the herpes outbreak medication commercials that you can star in Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics But according to the commercials on TV it's hip to get herpes. You can do all these cool things like rafting and mountain climbing when you have herpes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics That what they said about herpes :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics If people would just quit responding to him, he would go away. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Then you live your ethics, and let the rest of us live ours. Then, when the IT industry goes to hell in a handbasket, you can blame us all for it's demise. We (speaking collectively here) don't believe that MVP's are unethical for receiving a small stipend or gift (whatever it might be). You do. That's fine, but stop trying to force it upon the rest of us. Our views aren't going to change, and your views aren't going to change, so let it rest. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading. I do not claim that all MVP's are Microsoft wh0res. I simply don't claim that. In fact, I have posted things in direct opposition to that claim. If you are going to make such blatant mis-characterizations, then I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, which I can only assume you will then take as proof that you are right or that I cannot make rational arguments or whatever other non-sense you want to claim. Ethical god? Please. I have, nor ever will claim to be an ethical god. I have my set of ethics that I follow, period. And I did not bring up this whole point of ethics on this list. I posted an email about Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 that then degenerated into this mess. Thank your buddy Ed for that. And about this claim that I am not following my own ethical guidelines. Hey, there may be some truth to it. I haven't seen any proof from what miserable evidence you have supplied, but I am more than willing to admit that I may not live up to every single bit of the ethical code that I have. Know what? It doesn't matter. An ethical code is the ceiling, it is what everyone should aspire to, but it is not expected that everyone will ALWAYS actually achieve every single little detail. That's not what ethics is about. The laws are the floor, the ethical code the ceiling, aspire to get as close to the ceiling as possible. All I can say is that I try my absolute hardest, every day, to meet my own ethical standards. Do I succeed every day? No, but I TRY. Finally, just because the officer that tickets you for speeding murdered his wife last night doesn't mean that you DIDN'T break the law for speeding. I have no credibility because I don't say BOO? Ok then...BOO Do I get credibility now? In all seriousness, I'm not the one who claims that all MVP's are Microsoft Whores or that MVP's are doing anything wrong in their world. Since, you are the one that brought up the point of ethics, I assumed it was you that were claiming to be the ethical god here. Perhaps your pointing out that you don't accept gifts because of your ethics was where I went astray. As for the litmus test you are under, I suggest you read your own website. YOU are working for that company, and YOU are the one that should be upholding ALL the virtues of that company, not me, not ED, not TONY, heck, not even DON; only you! You don't like what your company puts up as a litmus test, then I suggest you find a job elsewhere. One thing still stands, you still aren't drumming up business in this list when you explode on potential customers. I hope you never decide to come calling on my account, I'm sure your boss would like to know the reason I refused you a meeting was because you don't know when to shut up. As for the name
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Nice. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics That's it. The greg filter is being applied :) John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Not to mention all of the herpes outbreak medication commercials that you can star in Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics But according to the commercials on TV it's hip to get herpes. You can do all these cool things like rafting and mountain climbing when you have herpes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics That what they said about herpes :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics If people would just quit responding to him, he would go away. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Then you live your ethics, and let the rest of us live ours. Then, when the IT industry goes to hell in a handbasket, you can blame us all for it's demise. We (speaking collectively here) don't believe that MVP's are unethical for receiving a small stipend or gift (whatever it might be). You do. That's fine, but stop trying to force it upon the rest of us. Our views aren't going to change, and your views aren't going to change, so let it rest. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading. I do not claim that all MVP's are Microsoft wh0res. I simply don't claim that. In fact, I have posted things in direct opposition to that claim. If you are going to make such blatant mis-characterizations, then I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, which I can only assume you will then take as proof that you are right or that I cannot make rational arguments or whatever other non-sense you want to claim. Ethical god? Please. I have, nor ever will claim to be an ethical god. I have my set of ethics that I follow, period. And I did not bring up this whole point of ethics on this list. I posted an email about Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 that then degenerated into this mess. Thank your buddy Ed for that. And about this claim that I am not following my own ethical guidelines. Hey, there may be some truth to it. I haven't seen any proof from what miserable evidence you have supplied, but I am more than willing to admit that I may not live up to every single bit of the ethical code that I have. Know what? It doesn't matter. An ethical code is the ceiling, it is what everyone should aspire to, but it is not expected that everyone will ALWAYS actually achieve every single little detail. That's not what ethics is about. The laws are the floor, the ethical code the ceiling, aspire to get as close to the ceiling as possible. All I can say is that I try my absolute hardest, every day, to meet my own ethical standards. Do I succeed every day? No, but I TRY. Finally, just because the officer that tickets you for speeding murdered his wife last night doesn't mean that you DIDN'T break the law for speeding. I have no credibility because I don't say BOO? Ok then...BOO Do I get credibility now? In all seriousness, I'm not the one who claims that all MVP's are Microsoft Whores or that MVP's are doing anything wrong in their world. Since, you are the one that brought up the point
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Ok campers! Here's the point spread as it stands at the moment. Ed: 49,996 Greg: -5 (Points were deducted for circular arguments and redundant posts) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Yeah, you turned it into two threads instead of one. Good thinking. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Yes, it seemed silly to me to have a discussion in no way related to Migrating to GroupWise 6.5 taking place under that title, so I chose to create a thread that more accurately depicted the discussion. This was done so that people could more easily weed it out and ignore it if they wanted. Dude? This particular topic was started by *you* on 12/18. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics =20 =20 I HAVE tried to let it rest. Ed brought up this whole topic=20 from a message posted as Migrating from GroupWise 6.5. Don't blame me for=20 bringing the topic up because I DIDN'T BRING THE TOPIC UP. =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [BLATANTLY OT] Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
For those of you who have access to BBC or BBC American, you should check out the british sitcom called The Office. Greg has an uncanny personality resemblance to the boss on that show, David Brent. After you watch an episode of the show you'll know what I mean. To see what I'm talking about, go check out the show's website at: http://www.bbcamerica.com/genre/comedy_games/the_office/the_office.jsp Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Greg wrote: Well, you're missing the big picture and the whole point, but yes, if you paid Microsoft, even one dollar, then it would not be such an egregious breach of ethics. Well if you aren't smoking crack / eating babies / whatever else it is you're not doing then maybe you should start because your arguments are getting weaker. Your initial assertion is based on a sound principle and you had a case to argue from that principle although you would never convince many people. But now you genuinely seem to be proposing that *buying* a title would be more ethical than *earning* one. That is plain potty and I can't believe that you will stick to that when you consider it again. I don't expect you to give an inch on this list but privately you must be thinking that was a bit of a blunder if you are thinking at all. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
I've lost almost 6 hours today alone, just waiting for the next whitty Deckler comeback. I'm still waiting. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics With some of the long diatribes as of late, has anyone thought of adding up the lost man hours in this lastest flame war? John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics This is my definition. Whats yours? http://tinyurl.com/ys84n -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Sure, you can't prove the something is *NOT* white. But you also cannot prove that something IS white if the person you are talking to will not look at it and say Yup, it's white alright. or even agree with your definition of white. Perhaps, your white my blue? The point was that asking me to prove that something is a conflict of interest is pointless unless you can agree to some ground rules. By not accepting and agreeing to a basic definition for conflict of interest, there are no ground rules and hence it becomes impossible to prove anything. If you are always going to debate the actual meaning of the term conflict of interest, then no one will ever convince you that ANYTHING is a conflict of interest, let alone white. Asking someone to demonstrate a negative is a logical impossibility, and a dishonest debating/argument tactic. You wouldn't win any awards if you tried to sell me a product with that kind of logic. Jim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
If we only had a set of bike racks this would be 7th grade all over again Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Sweet. Just when the Greg/Ed spamfest was dying down, we get a revival. Excellent middle schoolFight Fight/middle school -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you are correct Ed. I cannot prove the obvious. I cannot prove that an apple is red or that the sky is blue or that you live on the planet that orbits a sun. If you are not willing to accept the obvious, then I will never be able to prove anything to you. Likewise, and more importantly sinc, you haven't proven your statement true. It is only a real or perceived conflict of interest in your own mind. You haven't proven anything beyond that. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TONS of NDR's
You obviously read Slashdot.org Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You may be relay free (i.e. a spammer is *not* using your servers as a relay) but said scumbag is using one of your addresses as a forged From: address. 1) spammer sends out messages appearing to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) many many many recipients do not exist 3) receiving mail systems send the NDR bounce to the perceived sender [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) ??? 5) profit! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: TONS of NDR's Exch5.5 sp4 on win2k sp4 I have no idea where they are all comming from. Every morning I come in and the que is stacked with 24,000+ NDR messages, they look like spam but abuse.net spamcop, openrbl, and ordb all say I am relay free, IT policy forces strong passwords and guest is disabled. I'm at a loss where these messages are comming from, but they look like they are relaying. Reading the open relay/spamcop thread I wonder if someone got compromised, is there a logging setting that will tell me what user accounts are being used to auth against? Or does anyone know what events those would be logged as? Any help is always greatly appreciated. e- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2003 / Outlook 2003 Prodcut Activiation
You either got the software under a microsoft select agreement or the Volume Licensing Edition. Neither version requires a product activation. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 / Outlook 2003 Prodcut Activiation I've just bought Exchange 2003 and CALs for the office. We are still running Exchage 5.5 SP4 [1], and we have eagerly started installing OL2003 to use all the cool new features. My question is about product activation for Outlook 2003. We aren't asked to activate this product when installed, and when I clcik Help.. Activate Product.. I get a prodcut is already activated. This confuses me, and gives me a nagging concern. Is this product ever going to expire or require activation? I'd really like to know before it happens to some laptop user 2500 miles away on a weekend business trip. This also brings up the question of if product activation is so important, why doesn't this product include it? But maybe it's better not to think too deeply about MS's motives. Jim Helfer WTW Architects Pittsburgh PA [1] Which by the way I beleive wouldn't be running half as great as it is without the skills I have gleaned from this mailing list and it's members. Thanks guys. If you're all unprofessional unethical MS-owned vendor whores, then I think we need more unprofessional, unethical, MS-woned vendor whores ! Thanks Guys! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Rumour - Spammers control New mail desktop alert ?
You mean MSN Messenger alert? That sounds like a MSN popup. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Rumour - Spammers control New mail desktop alert ? Was it the Outlook alert or Hotmail alert? -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Rumour - Spammers control New mail desktop alert ? OK, this is a bit of a weird one, but this is from a first hand account from my boss, who is not given to hallucinations or flights of fancy. g. The story goes that a piece of Spam was received in the Inbox, and a New Mail Desktop Alert (the little transparent email preview that apears above the system tray). Happens all the time, except this time it was different. The preview stayed for at least a minute, and displayed a hand icon and a Click Me message. Neither of these were evident in the mail message. Is it possible that this feature could be under pogrammatic control by the bad guys? Anyone else seen anything weird like this? We are running OL 2003, connected to a Exchange 5.5 sp4 server. Jim Helfer WTW Architects Pittsburgh PA _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Lotus Notes Digital ID opening in Outlook
Why are they sending you Digital IDs? In Lotus Notes speak, the .id file is an encrypted file that contains all of the configuration information and user information about you. Therefore you can take this .id file to another machine and use it to do 80% of the setup on the new Notes client. As far as I know, Outlook knows nothing about these .id files and frankly has no use for them. INAE and I could be totally wrong. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Lotus Notes Digital ID opening in Outlook We have a client running Notes (not sure what version) who is sending us email with attached Digital IDs. When we try to open the message we get this error. Can't open this item. Your Digital ID name can not be found by the underlying security system. I am not familiar with digital signatures on Lotus Notes or on Exchange for that matter. I am assuming the sender is supposed to send a public key for the recipient to use to open the message? Is anyone familiar with this that can give me some advice? Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Lotus Notes Digital ID opening in Outlook
Gotcha. So he was not sending you a .id file, right? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Lotus Notes Digital ID opening in Outlook I had a client send me his contact info in a .vcf. In this is a digital certificate. It says I can use it to read his mail. I installed the cert., but still no go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Lotus Notes Digital ID opening in Outlook Why are they sending you Digital IDs? In Lotus Notes speak, the .id file is an encrypted file that contains all of the configuration information and user information about you. Therefore you can take this .id file to another machine and use it to do 80% of the setup on the new Notes client. As far as I know, Outlook knows nothing about these .id files and frankly has no use for them. INAE and I could be totally wrong. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Lotus Notes Digital ID opening in Outlook We have a client running Notes (not sure what version) who is sending us email with attached Digital IDs. When we try to open the message we get this error. Can't open this item. Your Digital ID name can not be found by the underlying security system. I am not familiar with digital signatures on Lotus Notes or on Exchange for that matter. I am assuming the sender is supposed to send a public key for the recipient to use to open the message? Is anyone familiar with this that can give me some advice? Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
You guys are also overlooking the most obvious one of all: Mis-managent by senior managers who think they *know best* and can save the company money by not buying a new pool of backup tapes. DLT tapes last 10 years, right? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Great. And lets never speak of the secret hidden agenda again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Helfer Sent: 17 December 2003 21:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Yeah, I'll meet you down at the crossroads at midnight. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Would you like a free pen, and some notepaper? -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 22:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL
RE: OWA - File not found when logging out
Gawd, don't get that thread started up again! While reading the last few Deckerisms, for a moment I actually lost the will to live. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA - File not found when logging out You must Die for asking a Technical question rather than an ethics question on this board. :) _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Richard Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA - File not found when logging out Greetings! We've got a client with a fairly new 2000 SBS box. Exchange SP3 and the post SP3 rollup are installed. For some reason, when logging out of OWA, the logout page (To complete the logout) is missing. The file (/exchweb/bin/USA/logoff.asp) DOES exist in the folder, it's just not displayed, with the server reporting it as a 404 error. All other features of OWA work fine (as far as I can tell - no reported issues). Anyone seen this before? I'm not aware of anyone tinkering with the server, and the IIS stuff looks ok. I've tried Googling and KB'ing this, but didn't come up with anything. Thoughts, comments, suggestions, and death threats are all welcome. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA - File not found when logging out
You should probably open the IIS admin snap-in and check the permissions on the file. I think that it probably needs script execute access. Although I'm not sure how that could have gotten messed up. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Pat Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA - File not found when logging out Greetings! We've got a client with a fairly new 2000 SBS box. Exchange SP3 and the post SP3 rollup are installed. For some reason, when logging out of OWA, the logout page (To complete the logout) is missing. The file (/exchweb/bin/USA/logoff.asp) DOES exist in the folder, it's just not displayed, with the server reporting it as a 404 error. All other features of OWA work fine (as far as I can tell - no reported issues). Anyone seen this before? I'm not aware of anyone tinkering with the server, and the IIS stuff looks ok. I've tried Googling and KB'ing this, but didn't come up with anything. Thoughts, comments, suggestions, and death threats are all welcome. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Didn't you know that Exchange 2000 ships with a X.ethics connector? Once installed, it will ward off evil vendors who like to give IT pros gifts and gratis office supplies. Install it now before its' too late! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics What does this post have to do with Exchange? Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, for some reason beyond my comprehension people seem to have this odd fascination with my views on ethics in IT. They are so fascinated that every time I post something to this list, they bring it up. In the interests of trying to move past this, you can get your fix of my crazed views on ethics in the form of a free monthly newsletter, The IT Ethics Newsletter. Details can be found at http://www.infonition.com/ethics I have not yet covered the Conflict of Interest topic but I'm sure that it will come up eventually. Until then, here is how I see the two sides. Greg: Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is why companies have limits on the type and dollar amount of gifts that employees can accept from third parties. Because MVP is primarily a title and titles are priceless, there are obvious grounds for a potential conflict of interest. And it does not matter if the conflict of interest is real or perceived. The whole point of ethics and conflict of interest rules is to help keep people from getting into ethical trouble and to remove even the specter or impropriety. The Other Side: The MVP title is not unethical. In fact, it does not matter what you do or who you accept gifts from or what the type or dollar amount of those gifts, it will never, ever constitute a conflict of interest. Furthermore, there is really no such thing as a conflict of interest. This whole conflict of interest nonsense is, in fact, an evil plot propagated by the secretive Illuminati. Obviously, the Illuminati have corrupted Greg's brain and the brains of all of the corporations that have rules against accepting gifts. Don't become another victim! Even if God himself comes down and points out that something is obviously a potential conflict of interest, argue with God because the Illuminati have obviously gotten to him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Open Relay/Spamcop
I agree with Ben. My Exchange 2000 box at my last company was setup to allow realaying after sucessfuly authentication because I had POP3 clients at other offices that had no other SMTP gateway. Disabling the Guest account and forcing the users to change passwords every 30 days kept our risk at a minimum. We got tagged as a relay once, but forcing user password changes on the spot fixed the problem. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop I still think you are smoking crack on this, Greg. I have never seen a properly configured Exchange 2000 server relay UNLESS a user account was compromised, or the guest account was enabled. I've tested it and tested again, and never found Exchange to relay with those settings. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:37 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Open Relay/Spamcop Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop Hey, thanks for the confirmation. People have told me that I am smoking crack and that the Exchange servers were horribly misconfigured. It's nice to know that I am not smoking crack. I concur with greg ... our server had those settings and we were being used as a relay ... turned off Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay, regardless of the list above. and that stopped it ... Mike -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Open Relay/Spamcop This may or may not be the problem, but I have seen spammers able to relay off an Exchange server if the following configuration applies: 1. If Anonymous access is turned on. SMTP Virtual Server properties, Access page, Authentication. 2. And, Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay, regardless of the list above. is checked. SMTP Virtual Server properties, Access page, Relay. Hello All and Happy Holidays! =20 I have a colleague whos Exchange 2000 server is being reported as Open Relay by spamcop for the past month. I have tested his relay by=20 setting up a POP account in Outlook, putting the server that is being=20 reported as Open relay as my Outgoing SMTP server. =3D20 =20 When I try to send a message using Outlook, I get a return message that 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay. I am relieved that it could not relay. That is good, however, why then is spamcop still reporting it to be=20 open relay? =3D20 =20 I have checked (over the phone) all his Virtual SMTP Server settings=20 to verify correct configuration. Everything seems to be checked or=20 unchecked as recommended by Microsoft. =20 We have Stopped/Started Services for SMTP =20 The Exchange 2000 server is behind a NAT and I have looked into the=20 possibility of this. I have been out on the spamcop site and for the=20 life of me cannot find a way to make them check the server again to=20 see if it is closed relay like ORDB does. =3D20 =20 Any ideas or comments =3D20 =20 =20 =20 Samantha Bridges Communications Technician Macomb Intermediate School District 44001 Garfield Road Clinton Township MI 48038-1100 (586) 228-3300 =20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.misd.net =20 =20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain=20 confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended=20 recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all=20 copies of the original message. =20 =3D20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mo de=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe
WAS: [Migrating from GroupWise 6.5] NOW: Complete waste of time!
Just in-case some of you just recently tuned in, the current score is: Ed: 46,298 Deckler:0 Keep up the good work guys! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Fortuitous, that. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I have no interest in winning. Can this thread please go away...You're not going to win Greg... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST
How much space is being filled up and what do you consider to be *fast*? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I have just upgraded a Windows 2000 Server / Exchange 2000 Server to Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003. The upgrade seemed to go well. Now my transaction log disk is filling up fast. I would appreciate any hints on where to find documents for diagnosing this type of issue. Thanks, Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST
Wow! That's a ton of logs for what seems to be a small private store. You might want to check the SMTP queues and see if a SoBig / Blaster type mutant is running around. If not, then you might have a mail loop somewhere... Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST 9GB private store on this server. 1.5GB public store. 9.5GB of transaction logs so far today and users are seeing sluggish performance. Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST How much space is being filled up and what do you consider to be *fast*? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I have just upgraded a Windows 2000 Server / Exchange 2000 Server to Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003. The upgrade seemed to go well. Now my transaction log disk is filling up fast. I would appreciate any hints on where to find documents for diagnosing this type of issue. Thanks, Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST
Why would AV scanning on the Exchange dirs cause the logs to grow? Or are you addressing the sluggish performance symptom. Is internal mail delivery taking a long time to deliver as well? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST No it was about the same size yesterday, give or take a few MB. Checked them. Thanks for your time. Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Is the store growing rapidly as well? Verify you arent allowing auto-replies to the Internet and that if you are running AV software on the server, you arent scanning the exch dirs. -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I have just upgraded a Windows 2000 Server / Exchange 2000 Server to Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003. The upgrade seemed to go well. Now my transaction log disk is filling up fast. I would appreciate any hints on where to find documents for diagnosing this type of issue. Thanks, Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST
I now see what you were saying. If you use a mailbox scanner, by virtue of the fact that you are accessing mailboxes, transactions are occuring, so the transaction logs will grow. I gotcha now. I thought you meant using a file-based AV scanner was going to change the size of the logs. My bad... I misunderstood what you meant in your post. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Im simply offering suggestions. If you scan the M: drive, it will certainly cause a growth in transaction logs. However, I can only assume that since he has upgraded to E2003, the M: drive is no longer visible, so I left that part off. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I realize that AV scanning your database will cause your machine to run like a sick dog, but are you suggesting it will bloat the size of the log files? I've never done that because I've always known better. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Scan yours and let us know what happens. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Why would AV scanning on the Exchange dirs cause the logs to grow? Or are you addressing the sluggish performance symptom. Is internal mail delivery taking a long time to deliver as well? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST No it was about the same size yesterday, give or take a few MB. Checked them. Thanks for your time. Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Is the store growing rapidly as well? Verify you arent allowing auto-replies to the Internet and that if you are running AV software on the server, you arent scanning the exch dirs. -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I have just upgraded a Windows 2000 Server / Exchange 2000 Server to Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003. The upgrade seemed to go well. Now my transaction log disk is filling up fast. I would appreciate any hints on where to find documents for diagnosing this type of issue. Thanks, Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST
Like I said, I have not done this myself, I am just assuming that is what Andy was talking about. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I don't see how just accessing mailboxes would cause transactions that need to be written to logs. Unless antivirus finds and deletes a lot of messages. I can see how when messages are added or deleted to mailboxes that will generate logs. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I now see what you were saying. If you use a mailbox scanner, by virtue of the fact that you are accessing mailboxes, transactions are occuring, so the transaction logs will grow. I gotcha now. I thought you meant using a file-based AV scanner was going to change the size of the logs. My bad... I misunderstood what you meant in your post. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Im simply offering suggestions. If you scan the M: drive, it will certainly cause a growth in transaction logs. However, I can only assume that since he has upgraded to E2003, the M: drive is no longer visible, so I left that part off. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I realize that AV scanning your database will cause your machine to run like a sick dog, but are you suggesting it will bloat the size of the log files? I've never done that because I've always known better. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Scan yours and let us know what happens. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Why would AV scanning on the Exchange dirs cause the logs to grow? Or are you addressing the sluggish performance symptom. Is internal mail delivery taking a long time to deliver as well? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST No it was about the same size yesterday, give or take a few MB. Checked them. Thanks for your time. Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST Is the store growing rapidly as well? Verify you arent allowing auto-replies to the Internet and that if you are running AV software on the server, you arent scanning the exch dirs. -Original Message- From: Jim Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: W2K3/E2K3 JUST UPGRADED TRANSACTION LOGS GROWING FAST I have just upgraded a Windows 2000 Server / Exchange 2000 Server to Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003. The upgrade seemed to go well. Now my transaction log disk is filling up fast. I would appreciate any hints on where to find documents for diagnosing this type of issue. Thanks, Jim Collins Sr. Systems Engineer Competitive Computing, Inc. www.competitive.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Test Recovery Scenario
Do you have enough spare equipment to setup a test lab? If so, testing should be pretty straightforward. I keep enough spare high-end desktop machines around that I can mimic my servers to test backup strategies. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Wohlgemuth, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Test Recovery Scenario Before I am chided for my lack of testing an Exchange recovery scenario (I hope the exchange gods don't curse me with a crash for writing this ...) ... anyway chide away ... here goes ... Infrastructure: Windows 2000/sp4 Forest (non-native mode); 7 domains; users in 4 of the domains; 5000 users (don't ask why .. not my decision ...) 2 Exchange 2000/sp3 back end servers; 2 front end servers; all are member servers in one of the domains (a domain that does not have any users in it ...) Problem: How would you all set up a test lab to do test recoveries of my Exchange backups? Thanks in advance Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Just to throw some salt in the wounds, the Federal Government has a law that states that any federal employee or govenrment contractor cannot accept any gift from a vendor with a value greater than $80. Anything over that is considered improper and a conflict of interest. If you accept the gift and you are a government contractor, you risk getting busted fined by the GAO as well risk losing your contract. Greg, last time I checked, pens and paper were less that $80.00. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Well said. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Steve Hanna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
It's another thrilling round of Exchange Admin Deathmatch! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Adam Staub [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This is the BEST group, ever. I don't have to watch the soaps. All I've got to do is read this list! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
DAMN YOU for filling up my Deleted Items bin! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed, honestly, WTF does this have to do with ANYTHING? My list of credentials is longer than yours?? I mean, sure, what the heck. I will state this in the hopes that we can all move past this. Everyone, everyone, listen up, here it is: Ed Crowley has a longer list of credentials than I do. In fact, my list of credentials is small, puny and weak and I almost never show it to anyone. Jeez God man. Not knowing anything about your educational background, I will still readily and happily stack my educational and professional credentials against yours any day. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Only if the chimps were using Microsoft Abacus 2003 Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Is there an MVP award for Chimps or the Abacus for that matter? -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You still haven't demonstrated that the Conflict of Interest exists. Where's the conflict in me (an MS-leaning IT manager) hiring a MS-knowledgeable person to implement MS-based technology in my MS-based enterprise? The MVP I'm hiring has not swayed me towards the decision to *use* MS software. I've already made that call. If I decide to rip out all of my MS software and deploy chimpanzees with abacuses to run my business, I will hire staff/conslutants with comparable experience. Where's the frigging conflict of interest? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IFS
Because you have been own3d by 31137 hax0rs. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Why is your messenger service running? You can safely disable it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:41 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: IFS Subject: RE: IFS Thanks, I was worried, because I received a number of messenger pop-ups on that server, and it is behind a firewall and no-one should be able to do that, then I bumped on to that file... Kim -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 16 december 2003 15:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Those are temp files. They should be deleted by the store at some point during normal processing. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: IFS Help, Under the folder mdbdata there is suddenly a .IFS file, can anyone tell me what it is/does, and how it got there? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IFS
I was actually just trying to antagonize Kim, but Phil has given us all something to think about. sounds of quickly checking to make sure messenger services is disabled Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS How??? http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/ bulletin/MS03-043.asp Cheers, Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: 16 December 2003 14:56 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Don't pay any attention to him. He's kidding. Eric? You're kidding, right??? Eric??? Seriously though, I'd disable that service. It's part of my standard build procedures for all servers (there is no reason that you need to send popup messages to/from servers) and it does not affect anything else. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:55 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: IFS Subject: RE: IFS How? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 16 december 2003 15:47 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Because you have been own3d by 31137 hax0rs. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Why is your messenger service running? You can safely disable it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:41 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: IFS Subject: RE: IFS Thanks, I was worried, because I received a number of messenger pop-ups on that server, and it is behind a firewall and no-one should be able to do that, then I bumped on to that file... Kim -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 16 december 2003 15:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Those are temp files. They should be deleted by the store at some point during normal processing. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: IFS Help, Under the folder mdbdata there is suddenly a .IFS file, can anyone tell me what it is/does, and how it got there? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe
RE: IFS
Yes, only teasing... Sort of Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Don't pay any attention to him. He's kidding. Eric? You're kidding, right??? Eric??? Seriously though, I'd disable that service. It's part of my standard build procedures for all servers (there is no reason that you need to send popup messages to/from servers) and it does not affect anything else. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:55 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: IFS Subject: RE: IFS How? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 16 december 2003 15:47 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Because you have been own3d by 31137 hax0rs. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Why is your messenger service running? You can safely disable it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:41 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: IFS Subject: RE: IFS Thanks, I was worried, because I received a number of messenger pop-ups on that server, and it is behind a firewall and no-one should be able to do that, then I bumped on to that file... Kim -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 16 december 2003 15:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: IFS Those are temp files. They should be deleted by the store at some point during normal processing. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: IFS Help, Under the folder mdbdata there is suddenly a .IFS file, can anyone tell me what it is/does, and how it got there? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Priv.edb
Do'h! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Priv.edb Update your resume -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Priv.edb Damn, I deleted mine and emptied the recycle bin; I have no backups. What should I do now? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Priv.edb Those html files are your .stm files. Leave them be! -Original Message- From: David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Priv.edb Its not a large system and as i say its running SBS 2000. So, i will leave of circular logging then. Its just i've always dealt with 5.5 servers and that's how i had it there. The weird thing is when i check the setup of Exchange 2000 i see that on the C:\exchsrvr\mdbdata\ *.log files Pub1.edb = 16mb (not much usage made of Public folders) Howerver, this is what i find wierd, in the same place i have another pub1 = 14mb and is specified as an html doc?? I see the same for my Priv1.edb database E:\exchsrvr\ priv1.edb = 2.15 GB priv1 = 7.32 GB (shows its an html document) no log files can be seen? Is this right, should i have a 7.32 Gb priv1 html doc sat next to my priv1.edb file anyone shed some light on this? I just inherited the box :( _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Diskeeper and Exchange
If the Exchange IS databases are on their own drives (AND THEY SHOULD BE!) then the drive / array will not become fragmented because Exchange uses online degramentation to keep the databases tidy. Diskeeper will be useless because the only thing that it will do is try to reassmble file fragments into contiguous files. This doesn't really buy you much when there are only 1 or 2 files on the whole array. Lastly, to keep filesystem performance up, you would need to run diskkeeper every few hours because e-mail tends to accumulate and the hourly fragmentation would cause the disk performance to fall off soon after the defrag pass is over with. By allow extents in the database across the disk, you actually wind up with much more consistent disk performance. Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Diskeeper and Exchange Hello All: I would like to know if anyone has had bad/good experiences with Diskeeper running on Exchange 5.5? I do not want to implement it on our Exchange servers but Mgmt is pushing the issue. I would like to go to the meeting with some ammunition why it shouldn't be implemented. Apparently my word isn't enough...;) It might help if I can give them some concrete proof from other Exchange Admins. Any stories out there? TIA Lori _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
The crack about being paid by MS. That was very Deckler-esque =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Eh? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
It's all good. The comment was made tongue-in-cheek Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? And? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? The crack about being paid by MS. That was very Deckler-esque =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Eh? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only need to state that it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or passage because it is fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or sentence further backs up your opinion. It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling in your moral and symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to realize that your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a total prat. But that is just my opinion. Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human condition. If we all got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get very dull. You can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying they are wrong. This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion. By saying that someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and your reasons are based upon fact or accepted truth. Allrightythen! I guess this means that we aren't due to bring this topic up until June. Thanks for the comic relief, Greg! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions. But, in my opinion, everyone has opinions and it gets rather monotonous and boring to keep stating in my opinion all the time when, in my opinion, it should be understood that everything is an opinion. In my opinion, people have opinions about lots of things that they consider facts. In my opinion, there are many that hold the opinion that the earth is round. But, in my opinion, this is simply an opinion as, in my opinion, there are others that hold the opinion that the earth is flat. In my opinion, this all depends on your opinion of the words earth, round and flat. In my opinion, if, in your opinion, the word round refers to a 2-dimensional circular object, then, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth is not round since, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth would be a sphere, and not round. Of couse, in my opinion, if your opinion was that a sphere is perfectly symmetrical such that all points on its surface are equal distance from its center, then, in my opinion, your opinion about the earth being a sphere might be wrong since, in my opinion, there are those that hold the opinion that the earth is not a perfect sphere but is actually a bit elliptical in shape. In addition, in my opinion, there are elevation variations on the surface of the earth as well which would mean that, in my opinion, the earth does not meet the definition of a sphere if your opinion is that a sphere means that all points on the surface of a 3-d object are equal distance from its center. Now, of course, in my opinion, this is all just my opinion. But, in my opinion, the bigger concern here is that, in your opinion, are you happy now? I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact opinion, just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
You forget that you're comparing me to the guy that tickles his brain when he picks his nose. Frankly, I seem a bit tame. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Oh. My. I think that was TMI, Eric. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
Oh wait, I get it. Since MVPs are unethical and SPAM is unethical, any message coming from an MVP must be unethical. Phew. I'm glad you pointed that out to the list. /tongue-in-cheek Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment Any email with MVP in the signature is spam. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment More ethical discussions? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
No, but it might be a government conspiracy. That's what my friend Rusty Shackleford thinks, anyways. (Note: $5 USD to the person that can name the TV show and character that said that line) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages There is no secret cabal!!! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: RE: Sources of outages
Excellent job! I have 4 seasons of King of the Hill sitting on my Tivo right now. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages I'll tell you what! That has to be Dale, the exterminator from King of the Hill. Keep your $ -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages No, but it might be a government conspiracy. That's what my friend Rusty Shackleford thinks, anyways. (Note: $5 USD to the person that can name the TV show and character that said that line) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages There is no secret cabal!!! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Howdy Neighbor! Technically, I'm in Rockwall, but I think that most people on this list would just scratch their heads, so Dallas seems much more palatable. I'm going to shoot pool with some other Exchange admins on Sunday night at Wizards (Beltline @ I-75). You are welcome to come! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Or, The Deckler Dude... Exacerbating and Shrewd... Climb aboard... He'll be enflaming you Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Schooled! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Your forehead goes to the back of your neck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, you can make a statement as a fact or as an opinion. It is how you quantify the statement that sets the distinction. Starting a sentence as I think that MVPs are unethical is different than saying, MVPs ARE unethical. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Of course, everything I say is my opinion. That's how it works. You mean to say that in your opinion you are right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I didn't bring the subject up. You did. And I am still right regardless of how people wish to justify it in their own minds. Why should WE look it up, i.e., check out other professions? YOU are the one making the irrational assertions. You have stated your arguments many times, and you have repeatedly been shot down based upon their superficiality. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mo de =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english
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Brilliant comic timing. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you certainly schooled me. You are so very witty and clever I could never hope to compete with such a superior intellect. An AOL reference? Paaaleeeze. I get along with my coworkers just fine, thanks for your concern. Value is irrelevant, hence the point about a philosophical discussion. Many times, the greatest evils are wrapped in appealing packages. And yes, I love my fans. With fans like mine, who needs detractors? Let's call it 98, but I've been out a while since Exchange was not my focal point in recent years (nor is it now, I just thought I'd smack you around a bit.) Yes I am contributing. You got that right, genius. What gave it away, the 'you've got mail' chime? As far as the philosophical issue goes, you don't seem to have a lot of supporters. Do you have co-workers? Do you get along? I bet not. And you didn't comment on the VALUE of people like Missy, Ed, CTHULU, et al versus what you bring to the table. I'm done with this. You lose, and you will always lose. Have fun with your adoring fans. began 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact opinion, just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Anything that is not a fact is an opinion. It will never be a fact that MVP's are unethical, because not everyone is going to agree on it and there is no physical proof either way. No, you can make a statement as a fact or as an opinion. It is how you quantify the statement that sets the distinction. Starting a sentence as I think that MVPs are unethical is different than saying, MVPs ARE unethical. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Of course, everything I say is my opinion. That's how it works. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nice job, Yoda. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Trouble you are not A wise man you are -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ruled what? For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 5.0 was not the beginning of beginnings. 4.0 ruled! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Didn't know I was talking trash. In terms of wits, you're the one that couldn't figure out that Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 posted to an EXCHANGE list means Migrating from GroupWise 6.5...TO EXCHANGE. I do not need to talk trash, your posts speak for themselves. . Well, I figured you were migrating to Exchange 5.0 ! A had a whole list of links for too. Time wasted Sidekick? Nope, you're way outta my league bub. I like to hang with those that contain more than two brain cells to rub together... But please keep talking trash, it's not often we get to have a battle of wits with an unarmed rock... :P -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 So that would make you my comical and utterly inept sidekick? Yer mah heeer... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK people, let me spell this out for you since you seem to be having a brain seizure. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Can I get an Amen! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Running Eseutil /d
The online exchange defragmenter does a nice job of keeping the databases maintained. There is no reason to do an offline defrag unless you've hit the 16Gb limit in Exchange Standard edition -or- something has gotten really screwed up in the database and exchange cannot rebuild the store from the logs. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Running Eseutil /d Sorry to ask this question. But as I have learned in the past there is no need to run Eseutil /d on the stores unless there are issues. I have an Exchange admin who does this quarterly and I am gathering up information to present my point. On 5/5.5/2000 I have never run eseutil on the databases and the servers ran fine. Maybe I am wrongAfter searching the FAQ and Google some advice would be helpful. Thanks Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
You get points for finding a way to work 31337 into an Exchange discussion list. Way to go you hax0r. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange First off, don't drink the Koolaid that says BCV snaps of Exchange are a good idea. At least not yet - not until there is native (i.e. written by Microsoft) support for pausing IO and acquiescing of the database prior to a snapshot being taken. Even then, it is NOT the zero downtime solution that an online backup provides - because the database IO must be halted to bring about a consistent database state prior to creating the snapshot. IIRC, Ex2k3 or one of its service packs is supposed to support this functionality. Add to the above reasons the aspects of what are lost on your production database (page checking as part of the backup) and they're still not a good idea. I find it much more palatable to have a RAID0 array on-SAN that is used for backups via NTBackup and then rip that file to tape. But its not a kewl technology and no where nearly as 31337 as BCV and snapshots. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
As Ferris Bueler once said, He so uptight, if you put a lump of coal up his a$$, you'd have a diamond in 2 weeks! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You meant morally-uptight right? :P -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
From that page, 2. A profession involves a system of symbolic rewards -- a system of rewards (monetary and honorary) that is primarily a set of symbols of work achievement and thus ends in themselves, not means to some end of individual self-interest. (36) * Honorary rewards are relatively more important in professional than in nonprofessional behavior; this is because monetary rewards are a more appropriate reward for individual self-interest while honorary rewards (prestige, awards, and other honors) are more appropriate for community interest. * Honorary rewards: a combination of prestige and titles, medals, prizes, offices in professional societies, and so forth... (36) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Some more information on Professional Ethic http://www.westga.edu/~rlane/professional/lecture_professionsprofessionaliz ation2.html For those with any interest. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
Ruh roh, as in Ruh roh George Jetson. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh your boat Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh roh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I see 62.49.146.170... www.network-tools.com sees: IP address: 62.49.146.170 Host name: mailgate.partition.co.uk Alias: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk Your DNS is outta whack -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin
RE: Snooping
Doesn't Exmerge still keep user permissions? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Snooping Exmerge -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Snooping Boss says organization has probable cause. Wants best way to copy users data for perusal by others (inbox, sent, and deleted folders). Please assist. TIA Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Snooping
Do'h! Sorry, brain freeze. I knew better. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Snooping Not on a pst. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Snooping Doesn't Exmerge still keep user permissions? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Snooping Exmerge -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Snooping Boss says organization has probable cause. Wants best way to copy users data for perusal by others (inbox, sent, and deleted folders). Please assist. TIA Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
In times like these, IRC commands like /pimp-slap user would be real handy. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Checks MS website for Microsoft GroupWise Server H... Seems to me this is an Exchange list. Did you have a question pertaining to MICROSOFT Exchange Server? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I have a client that needs help migrating from GroupWise 6.5. I have used the GroupWise 5.2.6 client, the recommended client, to migrate from GroupWise 5 and 6 environments and this client works extremely well. But, I have not specifically done 6.5 yet. Does anyone have any information about whether this client works with GroupWise 6.5 or if there is another GroupWise client that works better? Thanks in advance! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Snooping
blatant sarcasm Or... You could setup your own Echlon system and capture all the packets that you want. I think that Carnegie Mellon University might be able to help you out with that. /blatant sarcasm Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Snooping You could always simply gain access to said users system and give perms that way as well. The simply open the needed folders accordingly from permissioned users outlook... John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Michael Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Snooping You also set the user's account to co-delivery to a second e-mail account as a quick dirty way to journal the account. under Delivery Options, be sure to check the delivery to both recipients. This does not capture outbound mail, where most likely is the best evidence your looking for. If they are a watchful user, they would most likely delete the Sent Items and the Deleted's right away for their own safety. Regards, Michael -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Snooping Boss says organization has probable cause. Wants best way to copy users data for perusal by others (inbox, sent, and deleted folders). Please assist. TIA Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
I give you one point for attention-to-detail, but none for originality.
If you had done that in Ada or COBOL, now THAT would have been funny.
Eric Fretz
L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
tel: 972.772.7501
fax: 972.772.7510
-Original Message-
From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
if (mailboxbackup == bricklevelbackup)
{
mailboxbackup = bad;
} else
{
buy(backupexec);
}
Steven
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Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network Administrator
The Key School, Annapolis Maryland
-Original Message-
From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with
the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
itself?
TIA
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RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I see dead people. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I can moonwalk. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK people, let me spell this out for you since you seem to be having a brain seizure. The subject Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 means that I am migrating a client from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange, specifically Exchange 2000. My apologies, I thought that would be obvious given that this is an Exchange list. My fault, I should have been more specific. Now the reason that this question about the 5.2.6 client comes up in relation to GroupWise 6.5 is that Microsoft indicates that the GroupWise 6.5 client does not work with the Exchange Migration Wizard. I actually have not tested this completely but will before the end of the week. I decided to go with a known entity, the GroupWise 5.2.6 client, the recommended client from Microsoft. So, from preliminary testing, you have to run the 5.2.6 client to interact with the Exchange Migration Wizard but it also has to interact with the GroupWise 6.5 PO, hence the question to the list. Now, thanks entirely to myself and no thanks to the sarcastic peanut gallery, I have solved this issue and am more than happy to pass along my findings in the hope that someone else may benefit from this knowledge. I was able to get the 5.2.6 client working against the 6.5 PO by removing the checkbox to enforce a minimum client on the GroupWise PO and by doing some file copying. What I did was to install the standard GroupWise 5.2.6 client on a workstation. However, running it against the GroupWise 6.5 PO generated an error, something to the effect that Your PO does not have the correct views for this client. So, I went into the ofviews\win directory on the client and copied the non-duplicate files to the ofviews\win directory of the GroupWise 6.5 PO. I did not replace any .vew or .ini files and while I have not tested it, I would not recommend that you replace any of the 6.5 files with 5.x files. Thus far, I have tested this successfully connecting in DIRECT mode to the GW PO. The GW 5.2.6 client works and the Exchange Migration Wizard works. One item of note is that the extraction seems to be taking an inordinately long amount of time. While previous experience has shown DIRECT to be faster in the extraction versus CLIENT/SERVER, I am going to test CLIENT/SERVER next. And then I am going to test using a GroupWise 6.5 client instead of the 5.2.6 client but I do not anticipate that will work. If anyone has some specific experience on this and knows for sure, I'd appreciate a heads-up so that I can avoid wasting time. Since this is the first GroupWise 6.5 migration that I have done and from the lack of any useful information from the list perhaps one of the very first or very few, I'll keep the list updated with information on how this goes and any caveats or issues I encounter. I'd like to modify that a bit if I could... ;o) pimp-slap decklertheheckler You are aware that this is an Exchange list right? /pimp-slap decklertheheckler -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In times like these, IRC commands like /pimp-slap user would be real handy. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I can hear the music from Rocky when Rocky enters the ring to do battle with Apollo Creed Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 starts doing the running man You can't touch this! -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I can moonwalk. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK people, let me spell this out for you since you seem to be having a brain seizure. The subject Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 means that I am migrating a client from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange, specifically Exchange 2000. My apologies, I thought that would be obvious given that this is an Exchange list. My fault, I should have been more specific. Now the reason that this question about the 5.2.6 client comes up in relation to GroupWise 6.5 is that Microsoft indicates that the GroupWise 6.5 client does not work with the Exchange Migration Wizard. I actually have not tested this completely but will before the end of the week. I decided to go with a known entity, the GroupWise 5.2.6 client, the recommended client from Microsoft. So, from preliminary testing, you have to run the 5.2.6 client to interact with the Exchange Migration Wizard but it also has to interact with the GroupWise 6.5 PO, hence the question to the list. Now, thanks entirely to myself and no thanks to the sarcastic peanut gallery, I have solved this issue and am more than happy to pass along my findings in the hope that someone else may benefit from this knowledge. I was able to get the 5.2.6 client working against the 6.5 PO by removing the checkbox to enforce a minimum client on the GroupWise PO and by doing some file copying. What I did was to install the standard GroupWise 5.2.6 client on a workstation. However, running it against the GroupWise 6.5 PO generated an error, something to the effect that Your PO does not have the correct views for this client. So, I went into the ofviews\win directory on the client and copied the non-duplicate files to the ofviews\win directory of the GroupWise 6.5 PO. I did not replace any .vew or .ini files and while I have not tested it, I would not recommend that you replace any of the 6.5 files with 5.x files. Thus far, I have tested this successfully connecting in DIRECT mode to the GW PO. The GW 5.2.6 client works and the Exchange Migration Wizard works. One item of note is that the extraction seems to be taking an inordinately long amount of time. While previous experience has shown DIRECT to be faster in the extraction versus CLIENT/SERVER, I am going to test CLIENT/SERVER next. And then I am going to test using a GroupWise 6.5 client instead of the 5.2.6 client but I do not anticipate that will work. If anyone has some specific experience on this and knows for sure, I'd appreciate a heads-up so that I can avoid wasting time. Since this is the first GroupWise 6.5 migration that I have done and from the lack of any useful information from the list perhaps one of the very first or very few, I'll keep the list updated with information on how this goes and any caveats or issues I encounter. I'd like to modify that a bit if I could... ;o) pimp-slap decklertheheckler You are aware that this is an Exchange list right? /pimp-slap decklertheheckler -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In times like these, IRC commands like /pimp-slap user would be real handy. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
What next? Fighting words will begin with, My Exchange server and kick your Exchange server's a$$!? What have we become? Tomorrows news headline will read, When mail admins go bad. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Its more like Screech from Saved by the Bell VS Danny Partridge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I can hear the music from Rocky when Rocky enters the ring to do battle with Apollo Creed Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 starts doing the running man You can't touch this! -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I can moonwalk. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK people, let me spell this out for you since you seem to be having a brain seizure. The subject Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 means that I am migrating a client from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange, specifically Exchange 2000. My apologies, I thought that would be obvious given that this is an Exchange list. My fault, I should have been more specific. Now the reason that this question about the 5.2.6 client comes up in relation to GroupWise 6.5 is that Microsoft indicates that the GroupWise 6.5 client does not work with the Exchange Migration Wizard. I actually have not tested this completely but will before the end of the week. I decided to go with a known entity, the GroupWise 5.2.6 client, the recommended client from Microsoft. So, from preliminary testing, you have to run the 5.2.6 client to interact with the Exchange Migration Wizard but it also has to interact with the GroupWise 6.5 PO, hence the question to the list. Now, thanks entirely to myself and no thanks to the sarcastic peanut gallery, I have solved this issue and am more than happy to pass along my findings in the hope that someone else may benefit from this knowledge. I was able to get the 5.2.6 client working against the 6.5 PO by removing the checkbox to enforce a minimum client on the GroupWise PO and by doing some file copying. What I did was to install the standard GroupWise 5.2.6 client on a workstation. However, running it against the GroupWise 6.5 PO generated an error, something to the effect that Your PO does not have the correct views for this client. So, I went into the ofviews\win directory on the client and copied the non-duplicate files to the ofviews\win directory of the GroupWise 6.5 PO. I did not replace any .vew or .ini files and while I have not tested it, I would not recommend that you replace any of the 6.5 files with 5.x files. Thus far, I have tested this successfully connecting in DIRECT mode to the GW PO. The GW 5.2.6 client works and the Exchange Migration Wizard works. One item of note is that the extraction seems to be taking an inordinately long amount of time. While previous experience has shown DIRECT to be faster in the extraction versus CLIENT/SERVER, I am going to test CLIENT/SERVER next. And then I am going to test using a GroupWise 6.5 client instead of the 5.2.6 client but I do not anticipate that will work. If anyone has some specific experience on this and knows for sure, I'd appreciate a heads-up so that I can avoid wasting time. Since this is the first GroupWise 6.5 migration that I have done and from the lack of any useful information from the list perhaps one of the very first or very few, I'll keep the list updated with information on how this goes and any caveats or issues I encounter. I'd like to modify that a bit if I could... ;o) pimp-slap decklertheheckler You are aware that this is an Exchange list right? /pimp-slap decklertheheckler -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In times like these, IRC commands like /pimp-slap user would be real handy. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
How so? Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off This list has lost a little of the charm it had back a few years ago though. -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Boyd, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Tener was genius! Although I think Martin Blackstone may disagree. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Tener, Avi Smith-Rapaport and Mark Hanji do no longer post here nor have I seen anything from them in the last 6 months. -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Boyd, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Sorry Eric, when you have spent over 3 years on this list, different aliases, you will appreciate that some of the new contributors' posts can be a little irritating. Talking of irritating contributors what happened to Richard Tenner? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off It was meant to be a joke, a funny, a juxaposition of disprate ideas used to make spontaneous contractions of the lower abdominal muscles. I was suggesting that we (the list) would be glad to offer our support during his transition, for a nominal fee. This is of course absurd because offering our support for free is what we do anyways. You really should get out more often! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off You mean as opposed to PSS? What benefits could you provide that Microsoft can not? Will you offer full support for less than $245, and if all fails send a team of engineers on site? Or are you suggesting this is not a relevant discussion item for this list? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would
RE: OWA and SMTP
80(HTTP), 443(SSL) and a few others. Check out kb# 280132 Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA and SMTP I am setting up a Windows 2000 member server in DMZ, which will be our SMTP and OWA front end server. Which ports do I need to open to make this work. Is there a KB article that you guy could point me to? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Discussions or Newsgroups
If e-mail discussions is what you want, check out http://www.lsoft.com/ Otherwise, get a cheap old desktop computer, install Linux and run lyris or mailman on it. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Discussions or Newsgroups What's the best way to host Discussions or newsgroup type features in Exchange 2000? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA and SMTP
He just asked for the ports and I pointed him to the kb on open ports. I agree that putting a Front End in a DMZ is no walk in the park and did not intend to make it sound that easy. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Its much more extensive than that when putting the FE in the DMZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP 80(HTTP), 443(SSL) and a few others. Check out kb# 280132 Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA and SMTP I am setting up a Windows 2000 member server in DMZ, which will be our SMTP and OWA front end server. Which ports do I need to open to make this work. Is there a KB article that you guy could point me to? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA and SMTP
He did not indicate which ports he needed to have open and on which side the needed to be open to. For example, 80 and 443 need to be open to the internet to allow external host to use OWA. The others need to be open between the DMZ and internal lan to allow the FE server to do GC looksups, etc Sorry for the confusion. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What Martin is saying is that those are not the only ports you have to open. There are MANY more that are required to be opened to allow for communication between the FE server and the BE server, and communication betweent the FE server and the DC/GC servers. While the article seems to point out the correct ports, the post was misleading in saying that only 80/443 and a few others. Those few other ports (esp. 135, and the LDAP ports) are something I would not especially want opened on my firewall. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:09 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP He just asked for the ports and I pointed him to the kb on open ports. I agree that putting a Front End in a DMZ is no walk in the park and did not intend to make it sound that easy. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Its much more extensive than that when putting the FE in the DMZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP 80(HTTP), 443(SSL) and a few others. Check out kb# 280132 Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA and SMTP I am setting up a Windows 2000 member server in DMZ, which will be our SMTP and OWA front end server. Which ports do I need to open to make this work. Is there a KB article that you guy could point me to? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA and SMTP
I totally agree. It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured zone. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why go through the hassle? It is much easier (and just as secure) to simply put the FE server inside your network, open up port 443 and 25 to the FE server (I would not open port 80 for OWA), and that is all you should have to do. If you want to be even more secure, use something like ISA server to publish the FE OWA server. There are some servers that belong on a DMZ. A FE OWA server is not one of them. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:36 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Have FE and BE on separate VLANs and set up access lists on the routers allowing just the back-end VLAN to only accept traffic from the front-end VLAN if it is coming from the FE server, and only the specified ports. How does that sound? -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What Martin is saying is that those are not the only ports you have to open. There are MANY more that are required to be opened to allow for communication between the FE server and the BE server, and communication betweent the FE server and the DC/GC servers. While the article seems to point out the correct ports, the post was misleading in saying that only 80/443 and a few others. Those few other ports (esp. 135, and the LDAP ports) are something I would not especially want opened on my firewall. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:09 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP He just asked for the ports and I pointed him to the kb on open ports. I agree that putting a Front End in a DMZ is no walk in the park and did not intend to make it sound that easy. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Its much more extensive than that when putting the FE in the DMZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP 80(HTTP), 443(SSL) and a few others. Check out kb# 280132 Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA and SMTP I am setting up a Windows 2000 member server in DMZ, which will be our SMTP and OWA front end server. Which ports do I need to open to make this work. Is there a KB article that you guy could point me to? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: OWA and SMTP
I'm reminded of the character Yogourt in Spaceballs the Movie, It's all about the merchandising. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Don't they show ISA in there as well? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why do Microsoft FE/BE whitepapers show FE in DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP I couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you. IMHO, it is not. I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and troubleshooting. Some may offer the argument that if your FE server gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated. Let's be honest. With the ports that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in a DMZ or not. I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE servers in the DMZ. That, plus I seem to remember that it is now Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ. I'll see if I can find the reference to that. Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit. It is, after all, your network, not mine. Ultimately, if you feel it is a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that. I'm just trying to offer feedback. As far as 5.5, that is a different scenario altogether. 5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from the Exchange mailbox server. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Thanks everybody for replying. The plan is exactly to open 443 from outside and required ports for GC/LDAP and required ports for BE server. The DMZ is separate physical network (VLAN) and Firewall is going to allow these specific kind of traffic only to required specific servers on inside network. You guys seem very concerned with that which I respectfully don't understand. Also this is exactly what we did in exchange 5.5, right?? Or another idea might be to create an IPSec tunnel between FE server and DCs and limit the number of ports that way, ideas? Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP I totally agree. It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured zone. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why go through the hassle? It is much easier (and just as secure) to simply put the FE server inside your network, open up port 443 and 25 to the FE server (I would not open port 80 for OWA), and that is all you should have to do. If you want to be even more secure, use something like ISA server to publish the FE OWA server. There are some servers that belong on a DMZ. A FE OWA server is not one of them. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:36 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Have FE and BE on separate VLANs and set up access lists on the routers allowing just the back-end VLAN to only accept traffic from the front-end VLAN if it is coming from the FE server, and only the specified ports. How does that sound? -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What Martin is saying is that those are not the only ports
RE: Active Directory
bum dum, ching! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Active Directory Hey Jazzy, where's the Fresh Prince? _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Active Directory When we installed Active Directory, a lot of permission didn't carry over. Has anyone had that problem. Thank you _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Active Directory
This happened because you purchased the sports car version of Active Directory, not the Dump Truck version. Only the Dump Truck version will actually carry anything. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Active Directory Huh? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Active Directory When we installed Active Directory, a lot of permission didn't carry over. Has anyone had that problem. Thank you _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Race between client rules and BES server
There may be a way to get around this. You could always setup PST files on the local desktops as AutoArchive files and then still have the mail reside on the user's exchange inbox. Setup autoarchive to archive (copy) any messaged older than 1 day and VIOLA, you have PSTs on the user desktop and a robust backed-up server mailbox. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Race between client rules and BES server PST = my only choice -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Race between client rules and BES server PST = bad. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Race between client rules and BES server Due to new corporate policy, I just moved all my mail from the server (Exchange 5.5sp4) to local PST files. I had several rules to move mailing lists emails to server folders that now point to local PST folders. Before, these mailing list messages never showed up in the inbox, and the Blackberry server (BES server) never saw them (and thus never sent them to my blackberry). Now when one of these emails arrives, it briefly appears in the inbox before my PC has a chance to grab it and move it to a local PST. This means that some of the time the BES server sees it and forwards it to my blackberry. Does anyone know of any tricks to avoid this? I may have to switch these back to the server as I can keep stuff there less than 60 days old but this means that I would need to have to manually archive these before the server deletes them. Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Race between client rules and BES server
Never has the preached gospel been so true The only business case that can be made for a decision like this is to conserve disk space on the exchange server. The extra labor costs for administering userland PST files will QUICKLY outweigh any cost savings realized by pinching on server disk drives. If you would like a list of reasons why this is a bad idea, I'm sure that the list would be willing to help you out with that request. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Waters, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Race between client rules and BES server Give me one business (I was going to say good, but that's not possible) reason for this, and I'll give you ten times that many technical reason why the PST solution is a bad one. I hope you went down kicking and screaming on this one. I for one would also be polishing up my resume and kicking down some doors as well. This is only going to get ugly for you from this point out. Good Luck.. -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Race between client rules and BES server They are still good for the calendar and contacts, which are exempt from the 60 day limit. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Race between client rules and BES server You might as well retire all your Exchange servers and replace them with something cheaper. Woohoo! Save some money, maybe they will give it back to you as a bonus! Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Race between client rules and BES server Due to new corporate policy, I just moved all my mail from the server (Exchange 5.5sp4) to local PST files. I had several rules to move mailing lists emails to server folders that now point to local PST folders. Before, these mailing list messages never showed up in the inbox, and the Blackberry server (BES server) never saw them (and thus never sent them to my blackberry). Now when one of these emails arrives, it briefly appears in the inbox before my PC has a chance to grab it and move it to a local PST. This means that some of the time the BES server sees it and forwards it to my blackberry. Does anyone know of any tricks to avoid this? I may have to switch these back to the server as I can keep stuff there less than 60 days old but this means that I would need to have to manually archive these before the server deletes them. Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
It was meant to be a joke, a funny, a juxaposition of disprate ideas used to make spontaneous contractions of the lower abdominal muscles. I was suggesting that we (the list) would be glad to offer our support during his transition, for a nominal fee. This is of course absurd because offering our support for free is what we do anyways. You really should get out more often! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off You mean as opposed to PSS? What benefits could you provide that Microsoft can not? Will you offer full support for less than $245, and if all fails send a team of engineers on site? Or are you suggesting this is not a relevant discussion item for this list? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
No problem. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Sorry Eric, when you have spent over 3 years on this list, different aliases, you will appreciate that some of the new contributors' posts can be a little irritating. Talking of irritating contributors what happened to Richard Tenner? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off It was meant to be a joke, a funny, a juxaposition of disprate ideas used to make spontaneous contractions of the lower abdominal muscles. I was suggesting that we (the list) would be glad to offer our support during his transition, for a nominal fee. This is of course absurd because offering our support for free is what we do anyways. You really should get out more often! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off You mean as opposed to PSS? What benefits could you provide that Microsoft can not? Will you offer full support for less than $245, and if all fails send a team of engineers on site? Or are you suggesting this is not a relevant discussion item for this list? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl
RE: Backup rituals
Go check out -- http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupRestore.a sp If you haven't already seen it, go check out Ed's Exchange Administration guide at: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm (That's just the disaster recovery page. The whole guide is priceless.) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Hank Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backup rituals I finally found the Disaster Recovery Whitepaper Erik was talking about. I will stop asking questions about DR methods. Eric Fretz Could you post the URL? I'm always interested in finding better ways to provide disaster recovery. By the way, we do a full NTBACKUP every night to hard drive. We then do a tape backup every night (full on Fridays and incremental other night) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange
Mabye I'm just a little naïve, but since Exchange supports IMAP, why not use a unix IMAP client? There are dozens of good unix IMAP clients out there (Netscape Messenger being one of them...). Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Novell announced that now THEY got their hands on Ximian, right? 'cause Ximian has been out and around for a while. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Novell connects Linux desktop users to Microsoft Exchange 2003 12/4/2003 http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/enterprise/2003/0312040815.asp?A=HOMEO= FPIN http://tinyurl.com/xsea Novell today announced support for Microsoft Exchange 2003 via its Ximian Connector for Microsoft Exchange. Ximian Connector for Microsoft Exchange enables users of the Ximian Evolution e-mail and workgroup information management application to easily collaborate with Windows users connected to Microsoft Exchange 2000 or 2003 servers. -Original Message- From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Their website says they support Mandrake 9.1. Maybe Ximian have just not updated their site to include 9.2? Wasn't 9.2 only released in October? Did you ask one of their sales people? AW - Original Message - From: Jeremy T. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: RE: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange We looked at that, but they do not support Mandrake 9.2. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Hi, You can use Ximian Evolution http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/ with their Exchange Connector http://www.ximian.com/products/connector/ for Exchange 2000 or 20003. The client is free, but the Connector will cost you. I think it costs around $25US per client. I use Evolution on my linux desktop, and it has a very Outlook-y feel. Cheers, Allison W. - Original Message - From: Jeremy T. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:43 AM Subject: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Greetings! Is anyone familiar with a client that will interact with Exchange on the Unix/Linux platform (specifically Mandrake)? I am looking for the same functionality (or similar) as to Outlook. Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backup rituals
Here's the link to download the DR whitepaper from Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=df586628-3abe-40c3- 8e8f-beb4122de3d7displaylang=en Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Hank Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backup rituals I finally found the Disaster Recovery Whitepaper Erik was talking about. I will stop asking questions about DR methods. Eric Fretz Could you post the URL? I'm always interested in finding better ways to provide disaster recovery. By the way, we do a full NTBACKUP every night to hard drive. We then do a tape backup every night (full on Fridays and incremental other night) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ideal setup for exch 2003?
Exchange 2000 and 2003 can make good use of dual processors. The configuration will vary based upon the load and number of users you are supporting, but here's an example of the system I just ordered for my company: Dell PowerEdge 4400 Windows 2000 Server Exchange 2000 Enterprise Edition Dual Pentium-4 Xeon 2.8 GHz Processors 2.0 GB of Dual channel DDR RAM (4 x 512 MB DDR) 4-channel PERC Raid card Disks: 2 x 18.2G 10k rpm drives [RAID-1] = C:\ (OS Drive) 2 x 18.2G 15k rpm drives [RAID-1] = D:\ (Directory Store + SMTP Queue + Swapfile) 4 x 73G 15x rpm drives [RAID-5] = E:\ (Information Store) 2 x 36G 15k rpm drives [RAID-0] = F:\ (Secondary Swapfile + free space for doing Information Store maintenance) Quantum VS160 Tape Drive (80/160GB) Note: For those of you who have been following my saga, I was finally able to get the executive board to approve $$$ for a new server NOW instead of 1/2004. I guess when you equate mail downtime to dollars and cents, they tend to listen more closely to the IT guy! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rob Hackney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Ideal setup for exch 2003? I've been asked to get a 'wish list' together for next years budget so I'm going all out for an upgrade from present setup: Small Business Server 2k (inc exch2k) to PDC running W2k3 on present box but will need a new box for Exch2k3 What would be a (relatively sensible) 'ideal' setup. I've read the recommended from MS but seem to recall that Exch 5.5 ran better on dual processors. Does this apply to Exch 2k3 or am I imagining things/ making it up? BTW, I'm not talking about partition info - hardware really such as processor speed/ dual/ memory thanks Support Analyst TKC Group Ltd Unit 3 Ashmead Ind Est Keynsham BS31 1TU UK 0117 916 1320 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ideal setup for exch 2003?
Oops! I left out the logs live on the D:\. It really does not matter where I put the directory store because it is pretty small and all of the disks are fast. I chose to put it on the D:\ array for seperation purposes. In truth, if the E: array goes down, having the directory on a separate drive didn't buy anything, but it is one less thing I have to worry about restoring. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Ideal setup for exch 2003? Where are your logs going to go? I'd put both stores on one array, logs on another. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Ideal setup for exch 2003? Exchange 2000 and 2003 can make good use of dual processors. The configuration will vary based upon the load and number of users you are supporting, but here's an example of the system I just ordered for my company: Dell PowerEdge 4400 Windows 2000 Server Exchange 2000 Enterprise Edition Dual Pentium-4 Xeon 2.8 GHz Processors 2.0 GB of Dual channel DDR RAM (4 x 512 MB DDR) 4-channel PERC Raid card Disks: 2 x 18.2G 10k rpm drives [RAID-1] = C:\ (OS Drive) 2 x 18.2G 15k rpm drives [RAID-1] = D:\ (Directory Store + SMTP Queue + Swapfile) 4 x 73G 15x rpm drives [RAID-5] = E:\ (Information Store) 2 x 36G 15k rpm drives [RAID-0] = F:\ (Secondary Swapfile + free space for doing Information Store maintenance) Quantum VS160 Tape Drive (80/160GB) Note: For those of you who have been following my saga, I was finally able to get the executive board to approve $$$ for a new server NOW instead of 1/2004. I guess when you equate mail downtime to dollars and cents, they tend to listen more closely to the IT guy! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rob Hackney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Ideal setup for exch 2003? I've been asked to get a 'wish list' together for next years budget so I'm going all out for an upgrade from present setup: Small Business Server 2k (inc exch2k) to PDC running W2k3 on present box but will need a new box for Exch2k3 What would be a (relatively sensible) 'ideal' setup. I've read the recommended from MS but seem to recall that Exch 5.5 ran better on dual processors. Does this apply to Exch 2k3 or am I imagining things/ making it up? BTW, I'm not talking about partition info - hardware really such as processor speed/ dual/ memory thanks Support Analyst TKC Group Ltd Unit 3 Ashmead Ind Est Keynsham BS31 1TU UK 0117 916 1320 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What ports to open
Your firewall also needs to be able to pass WebDAV traffic. Firewall-1 and other products like it can filter out WebDAV traffic which will cause your OWA client to fall back to compatibility or netscape mode. I've even seen some cases where that would not work, either. Good luck, Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What ports to open 80, 443 I think? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rsamman Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What ports to open My OWA is working from within ( locally ), but I can't access it from home What ports do I need open to have it working Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
