RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Ben Winzenz]

You are going to find out real fast that while the AV portion will work
quite well, the content filtering isn't worth the CD that it was
produced on.  Sure, there are lots of options.  Sure, you can quarantine
stuff.  What happens if it quarantines a false-positive?  Oh, sorry.  It
completely mangles it so you can't get it back into the original format.
Sure, the content dictionary works, but the fact is that quarantining
potential spam completely breaks the message, whether it is spam or not,
irritates the heck out of me.  We had to completely turn off the content
filtering portion and set up a separate server as a gateway to do spam
scanning.  Now, luckily when you buy the Enterprise edition, it includes
both Corp. edition and the Mail/Gateway scanning pieces, but you get the
picture.  I'm not too happy with Symantec right now. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:24 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Okay, the word "agent" was probably unjust as its not called that.  We
brought corporate edition Norton and in the pack we got a CD called
"Virus Protection for Mail Servers" it included :-

Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft(r) Exchange 2000 


 Version: 3.05.10.105 
 
Copyright (c) 2001 Symantec Corporation. All rights reserved.





We think the software is great, there are loads of options, a content
dictionary search, loads of spam options.  Weve not really taken
advantage of them, just the Virus scanning.


But sorry yeah, its not called an agent, it's the antivirus/filtering
for exchange 2000.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 18:57
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it
does not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server
piece bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V
scanning is fine, but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired.
It is also not a gateway piece (though they have one available which was
mentioned earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM Posted To: Exchange
(Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange
Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a
nice web GUI, and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever
again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items,
but that is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exc

RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Neil Doody]

Okay, the word "agent" was probably unjust as its not called that.  We
brought corporate edition Norton and in the pack we got a CD called
"Virus Protection for Mail Servers" it included :-

Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft(r) Exchange 2000 


 Version: 3.05.10.105 
 
Copyright (c) 2001 Symantec Corporation. All rights reserved.





We think the software is great, there are loads of options, a content
dictionary search, loads of spam options.  Weve not really taken
advantage of them, just the Virus scanning.


But sorry yeah, its not called an agent, it's the antivirus/filtering
for exchange 2000.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 18:57
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it
does not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server
piece bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V
scanning is fine, but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired.
It is also not a gateway piece (though they have one available which was
mentioned earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange
Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a
nice web GUI, and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever
again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items,
but that is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Durkee, Peter]

I love Antigen too, but it won't allow Sender or Recipient exclusion from keyword 
filtering.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:23
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


I love Sybari Antigen.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Brasslett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Sybari Anti-spam features are still pretty poor.  But, the antivirus
part is
excellent.  We've paired that up with Postini anti-spam service, and we
have
been 100% email virus free and 97% spam free since...

-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Supposedly they are working on improving the filtering piece of it. They
of
course blame it on MS and vsapi.  Appretly all that happens is that Ex
passes the friendly name not the email address, blah blah blah. And
their
content filtering is not all that great either.  

Having said all that I have not played with their gateway solution so
maybe
that's a ton better.  

Just my 2cents

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it
does
not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server
piece
bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V scanning is
fine,
but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired. It is also not a
gateway piece (though they have one available which was mentioned
earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link
lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted
At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange
Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate
and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a nice web
GUI,
and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size
limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items, but
that
is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or viru

RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Massey, David]

Check out MailMarshal which is now owned by NetIQ.  It meets all of
your requirements below. The only gotcha would be that they don't
have their own AV software. It has dll hooks into several AV vendor
packages such as Norman, Sophos, McAfee, etc.  Currently I'm using
Norman's AV client with good sucess.

David-
-
David Massey 
Sr. Network Analyst - Pioneer Americas LLC

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by the
day, so I want to move on.
The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild for
AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via port 26
to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box) which
then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just like
usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking. 
*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Fyodorov, Andrey]

I love Sybari Antigen.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Brasslett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Sybari Anti-spam features are still pretty poor.  But, the antivirus
part is
excellent.  We've paired that up with Postini anti-spam service, and we
have
been 100% email virus free and 97% spam free since...

-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Supposedly they are working on improving the filtering piece of it. They
of
course blame it on MS and vsapi.  Appretly all that happens is that Ex
passes the friendly name not the email address, blah blah blah. And
their
content filtering is not all that great either.  

Having said all that I have not played with their gateway solution so
maybe
that's a ton better.  

Just my 2cents

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it
does
not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server
piece
bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V scanning is
fine,
but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired. It is also not a
gateway piece (though they have one available which was mentioned
earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link
lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted
At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange
Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate
and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a nice web
GUI,
and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size
limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items, but
that
is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's

RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Fyodorov, Andrey]

Yeah, I liked TumbleWeed. Back when I used it, it was still called
WorldTalk WorldSecure Server. It is very flexible and configurable. It
is also a powerful SMTP gateway.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: New AV Gateway Recommendations

When I was running an Exchange consulting gig at a big oil company
(100,000+ seats) we used Tumbleweed's product.  The thing I really liked
about their product was that it is very fast and VERY flexible (SQL
backend\web front-end).  We were using it for keyword filtering (string
matching (with wildcards) with a point scale, so each string has a point
value...once the defined threshold for that value it reached  while
reading through a message it does the desired action on a message) and
for
AV scanning.  You can use a number of different scan engines (I seem to
remember using Norton's, but the point is you can choose so you can have
a
different engine on the SMTP scanner then you do downstream).  This was
by
far the best SMTP scanner I have worked with to date.

Anyhow...I highly recommend it as it is fast, flexible, and the support
was excellent (plus I believe it does everything that you require).

-Steve


> I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
> has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP
gateway
> which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does
not
> appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The
program has
> some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
> day, so I want to move on.
> The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild
for
> AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via
port 26
> to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box)
which
> then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just
like
> usual.
>  
> Here are the features I am looking for
> 
> * Keyword Blocking 
> * The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

> * AV scanner 
> * Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
> and anAntispam gateway are on the same box) 
> * Recipient Exclusion 
> * Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
> addresses without scanning for content or virus's) 
> * Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
> persons) 
> * A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
> just dump any email for an address that does not exist 
> * Must run on Wintel platform 
> * Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc
> 
>  
>  
> Martin Blackstone
> Director, Information Technologies
> Microsoft Exchange MVP
> Superior Access Insurance Services
> 949.470.2111 x279

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Aaron Brasslett]

Sybari Anti-spam features are still pretty poor.  But, the antivirus part is
excellent.  We've paired that up with Postini anti-spam service, and we have
been 100% email virus free and 97% spam free since...

-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Supposedly they are working on improving the filtering piece of it. They of
course blame it on MS and vsapi.  Appretly all that happens is that Ex
passes the friendly name not the email address, blah blah blah. And their
content filtering is not all that great either.  

Having said all that I have not played with their gateway solution so maybe
that's a ton better.  

Just my 2cents

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it does
not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server piece
bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V scanning is fine,
but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired. It is also not a
gateway piece (though they have one available which was mentioned earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a link
lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Posted
At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton Corporate
and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a nice web GUI,
and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set size
limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items, but that
is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Ben Winzenz]

It's not.  It still has some serious limitations.  I also made them
aware of those, but they simply told me to request it as a future
feature.  Yeah right.  And Microsft reads all the e-mail sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:03 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Supposedly they are working on improving the filtering piece of it.
They of course blame it on MS and vsapi.  Appretly all that happens is
that Ex passes the friendly name not the email address, blah blah blah.
And their content filtering is not all that great either.  

Having said all that I have not played with their gateway solution so
maybe that's a ton better.  

Just my 2cents

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it
does not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server
piece bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V
scanning is fine, but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired.
It is also not a gateway piece (though they have one available which was
mentioned earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM Posted To: Exchange
(Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange
Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a
nice web GUI, and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever
again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items,
but that is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Ex

RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Candee Vaglica]

You mean they don't??!


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


It's not.  It still has some serious limitations.  I also made them aware of
those, but they simply told me to request it as a future feature.  Yeah
right.  And Microsft reads all the e-mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:03 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Supposedly they are working on improving the filtering piece of it. They of
course blame it on MS and vsapi.  Appretly all that happens is that Ex
passes the friendly name not the email address, blah blah blah. And their
content filtering is not all that great either.  

Having said all that I have not played with their gateway solution so maybe
that's a ton better.  

Just my 2cents

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it does
not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server piece
bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V scanning is fine,
but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired. It is also not a
gateway piece (though they have one available which was mentioned earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM Posted To: Exchange
(Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a link
lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Posted
At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton Corporate
and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a nice web GUI,
and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set size
limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items, but that
is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must 

RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Mark Nold]

Supposedly they are working on improving the filtering piece of it.
They of course blame it on MS and vsapi.  Appretly all that happens is
that Ex passes the friendly name not the email address, blah blah blah.
And their content filtering is not all that great either.  

Having said all that I have not played with their gateway solution so
maybe that's a ton better.  

Just my 2cents

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it
does not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server
piece bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V
scanning is fine, but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired.
It is also not a gateway piece (though they have one available which was
mentioned earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange
Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a
nice web GUI, and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever
again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items,
but that is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Tom.Gray]

I'm pretty sure Antigen from Sybari will do what you are asking for
www.sybari.com

We also have the Antigen Antispam product but I haven't been able to
look at it much.

Tom Gray, Network Engineer
All Kinds of Minds & The Center for Development and Learning
University of North Carolina
tom.gray(at)cdl.unc.edu
(919) 454-1100


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP
gateway which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it
does not appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The
program has some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets
worse by the day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a
single server that receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword
content filtering. Then it passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier
for antispam scanning (both run on the same box) which then finally
passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Ben Winzenz]

There is no additional "agent" for Exchange.  If you buy Corp. Ed., it
does not include the AV/Filtering for Exchange.  

And, IMHO, it sucks rocks.  I like Corp. ed., but the Exchange server
piece bites, and I have told them that plenty of times.  The A/V
scanning is fine, but the content filtering leaves a LOT to be desired.
It is also not a gateway piece (though they have one available which was
mentioned earlier). 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: DL.Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:30 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM Posted To: ~Exchange
Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a
nice web GUI, and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever
again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items,
but that is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Roger Seielstad]

Trend's Viruswall or their newer Messaging Security Suite
(http://www.trendmicro.com/en/products/gateway/ismss/evaluate/overview.htm)

Not sure about the key word filtering, but it does the rest guaranteed. I've
used viruswall (albiet on a Unix platform) for over 4 years without
incident.

Roger
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations
> 
> 
>  I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for 
> something that
> has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild 
> SMTP gateway
> which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and 
> it does not
> appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. 
> The program has
> some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets 
> worse by the
> day, so I want to move on.
> The current setup I have is a single server that receives to 
> WebSheild for
> AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it 
> on via port 26
> to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the 
> same box) which
> then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on 
> port 25 just like
> usual.
>  
> Here are the features I am looking for
> 
> * Keyword Blocking 
> * The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword 
> blocking. 
> * AV scanner 
> * Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when 
> an AV gateway
> and anAntispam gateway are on the same box) 
> * Recipient Exclusion 
> * Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from 
> specified email
> addresses without scanning for content or virus's) 
> * Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes 
> from specified
> persons) 
> * A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
> just dump any email for an address that does not exist 
> * Must run on Wintel platform 
> * Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc
> 
>  
>  
> Martin Blackstone
> Director, Information Technologies
> Microsoft Exchange MVP
> Superior Access Insurance Services
> 949.470.2111 x279
>  
> 
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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[DL.Exchange]

Are you referring to an additional agent for Norton (Symantec) corporate
antivirus, or the Norton (Symantec) antivirus filter?

The avf we have is only able to filter by sender/subject line or set
'content types', in other words, quite limited...

If you are talking about an additional agent, do you happen to have a
link lying around for product information? TIA

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM
Posted To: ~Exchange Discussion~
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a
nice web GUI, and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever
again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items,
but that is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Neil Doody]

I must recommend the Exchange agent by Symantec, you buy Norton
Corporate and get the Exchange agent separate, install this, you get a
nice web GUI, and viruses should never land in your users mailboxes ever
again.

Very customizable, you can have it mail all people involved, it can set
size limits, it can be told not to allow unscanable (encrypted) items,
but that is a pain in the arse if its genuine!

Its good.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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Re: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Steve]

When I was running an Exchange consulting gig at a big oil company
(100,000+ seats) we used Tumbleweed's product.  The thing I really liked
about their product was that it is very fast and VERY flexible (SQL
backend\web front-end).  We were using it for keyword filtering (string
matching (with wildcards) with a point scale, so each string has a point
value...once the defined threshold for that value it reached  while
reading through a message it does the desired action on a message) and for
AV scanning.  You can use a number of different scan engines (I seem to
remember using Norton's, but the point is you can choose so you can have a
different engine on the SMTP scanner then you do downstream).  This was by
far the best SMTP scanner I have worked with to date.

Anyhow...I highly recommend it as it is fast, flexible, and the support
was excellent (plus I believe it does everything that you require).

-Steve


> I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something that
> has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
> which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
> appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program has
> some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by the
> day, so I want to move on.
> The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild for
> AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via port 26
> to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box) which
> then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just like
> usual.
>  
> Here are the features I am looking for
> 
> * Keyword Blocking 
> * The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking. 
> * AV scanner 
> * Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV gateway
> and anAntispam gateway are on the same box) 
> * Recipient Exclusion 
> * Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified email
> addresses without scanning for content or virus's) 
> * Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from specified
> persons) 
> * A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
> just dump any email for an address that does not exist 
> * Must run on Wintel platform 
> * Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc
> 
>  
>  
> Martin Blackstone
> Director, Information Technologies
> Microsoft Exchange MVP
> Superior Access Insurance Services
> 949.470.2111 x279

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Ben Winzenz]

Yeah, but I don't like how their content v whitelisting works.  If you
whitelist someone, it only prevents it from being scanned against the
blocked sender list.  The messages will still be scanned for blocked
content.  Irritates me.  If I whitelist someone, I don't want to scan
any part of the message except for viruses. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:34 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: New AV Gateway Recommendations
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server
that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering.
Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both
run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Candee Vaglica]

Symantec's gateway will do *most* of that.


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by the
day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server that
receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it
passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run
on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server
boxen on port 25 just like usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking. 
*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Steve Evans]

MailScanner with SpamAssassin. 


Steve Evans
SDSU Foundation

-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

They didn't rank very high in Network World's test of anti-spam vendors,
though.  NWfusion has a nice table though:
http://www.nwfusion.com/bg/2003/spam/results.jsp?category=Server
(I've been tasked to find almost the same thing except they're more
concerned about spam.  We already use Trend's AV product which I swear
by.  Ever since we installed Trend we haven't had a virus outbreak.)

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Rob Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Something from GFI?


Regards,

Rob Ellis
IT Manager
Samsara Group plc
Tel 023 9224 7979
Mob 07974 111867
MCP BEng(hons)



-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 16:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on.
The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild
for
AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via port
26
to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box)
which
then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just
like
usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations

[Chinnery, Paul]

They didn't rank very high in Network World's test of anti-spam vendors, though.  
NWfusion has a nice table though: 
http://www.nwfusion.com/bg/2003/spam/results.jsp?category=Server
(I've been tasked to find almost the same thing except they're more concerned about 
spam.  We already use Trend's AV product which I swear by.  Ever since we installed 
Trend we haven't had a virus outbreak.)

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Rob Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations


Something from GFI?


Regards,

Rob Ellis
IT Manager 
Samsara Group plc 
Tel 023 9224 7979 
Mob 07974 111867
MCP BEng(hons)



-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 16:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on.
The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild
for
AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via port
26
to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box)
which
then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just
like
usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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[Rob Ellis]

Something from GFI?


Regards,

Rob Ellis
IT Manager 
Samsara Group plc 
Tel 023 9224 7979 
Mob 07974 111867
MCP BEng(hons)



-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 16:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations


 I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something
that
has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway
which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not
appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program
has
some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by
the
day, so I want to move on.
The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild
for
AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via port
26
to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box)
which
then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just
like
usual.
 
Here are the features I am looking for

*   Keyword Blocking 
*   The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking.

*   AV scanner 
*   Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV
gateway
and an  Antispam gateway are on the same box) 
*   Recipient Exclusion 
*   Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified
email
addresses   without scanning for content or virus's) 
*   Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from
specified
persons) 
*   A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and
just dump any   email for an address that does not exist 
*   Must run on Wintel platform 
*   Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc

 
 
Martin Blackstone
Director, Information Technologies
Microsoft Exchange MVP
Superior Access Insurance Services
949.470.2111 x279
 

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