RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Alex Alborzfard
Ditto here. Chris, what type of VPN server/client configuration are you
using?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues


Over dialup? 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

VPN works just great here.

> From: Alex Alborzfard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:20:54 -0400
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access 
> to remote access to Exchange. But I've heard the performance is really 
> dismal especially over dial-up. I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes 
> care of this problem, by using RPC over HTTP.
> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> 
> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Alex Alborzfard
> Exchange Admin


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Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Chris Scharff
Yep.

Step 1. Connect to internet.
Step 2. Open Outlook offline.
Step 3. Click F9 (which initiates my VPN connection)
Step 4. Get beer from fridge.
Step 5. Order Chinese food for delivery.
Step 6. Get another beer from fridge.
Step 7. Read e-mail.


> From: Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:59:10 -0700
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Over dialup? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> VPN works just great here.
> 
>> From: Alex Alborzfard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:20:54 -0400
>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
>> 
>> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
>> remote access to Exchange.
>> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
>> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using RPC
>> over HTTP.
>> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
>> 
>> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> --Alex Alborzfard
>> Exchange Admin
> 
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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Alex Alborzfard
I was gonna ask the same thing. My other question is: is it as secure as
VPN?

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues


Over dialup? 

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

Hell no.

Outlook in offline mode synchronizing every 10 minutes or so works
perfectly. To 99% of the population, there's no appreciable difference to
being online on the LAN.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> Oh yea. Use OST's
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you
> will find a
> magic bullet for this. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to
> allow access to
> remote access to Exchange.
> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially 
> over dial-up.
> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, 
> by using RPC
> over HTTP.
> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> 
> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Alex Alborzfard
>   Exchange Admin
> 
> 
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Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Chris Scharff
Well, it's certainly improved with every version of Outlook I've used I
found it quite tolerable in Outlook 2000 and later using the methodology I
described elsewhere in the thread. I also used to teach laptop users who to
best use Outlook on the road, so I have rules, sync groups and filters set
to minimize my synchronization times when I'm on the road.

> From: Alex Alborzfard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:00:27 -0400
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Ditto here. Chris, what type of VPN server/client configuration are you
> using?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> Over dialup? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> VPN works just great here.
> 
>> From: Alex Alborzfard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:20:54 -0400
>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
>> 
>> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access
>> to remote access to Exchange. But I've heard the performance is really
>> dismal especially over dial-up. I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes
>> care of this problem, by using RPC over HTTP.
>> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
>> 
>> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> --Alex Alborzfard
>> Exchange Admin
> 
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Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Chris Scharff
And with outlook 2003, RPC over HTTP isn't nearly as remote user useful as
cached mode is.

> From: "Ben Winzenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:41:32 -0500
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> You still have to connect to the VPN to synchronize.  So yes, it is
> still as secure :-)
> 
> The big gain is that users do not notice the performance hit from the
> VPN because they are running everything in offline mode and just
> requesting updated information every 10 minutes or whatever.  The only
> info that gets sent across the VPN is new messages, and anything they
> send. 
> 
> 
> Ben Winzenz
> Network Engineer
> Gardner & White
> (317) 581-1580 ext 418
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:59 AM
> Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
> Conversation: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> I was gonna ask the same thing. My other question is: is it as secure as
> VPN?
>


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Blackstone
Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you will find a
magic bullet for this. 

-Original Message-
From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
remote access to Exchange.
But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using RPC
over HTTP.
Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?

What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?


Thanks

--Alex Alborzfard
  Exchange Admin


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Blackstone
Oh yea. Use OST's 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you will find a
magic bullet for this. 

-Original Message-
From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
remote access to Exchange.
But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using RPC
over HTTP.
Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?

What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?


Thanks

--Alex Alborzfard
  Exchange Admin


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Ben Winzenz
You still have to connect to the VPN to synchronize.  So yes, it is
still as secure :-)

The big gain is that users do not notice the performance hit from the
VPN because they are running everything in offline mode and just
requesting updated information every 10 minutes or whatever.  The only
info that gets sent across the VPN is new messages, and anything they
send. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:59 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues


I was gonna ask the same thing. My other question is: is it as secure as
VPN?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues


Over dialup? 

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

Hell no.

Outlook in offline mode synchronizing every 10 minutes or so works
perfectly. To 99% of the population, there's no appreciable difference
to
being online on the LAN.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> Oh yea. Use OST's
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you
> will find a
> magic bullet for this. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to
> allow access to
> remote access to Exchange.
> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially 
> over dial-up.
> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, 
> by using RPC
> over HTTP.
> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> 
> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Alex Alborzfard
>   Exchange Admin
> 
> 
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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Roger Seielstad
Hell no.

Outlook in offline mode synchronizing every 10 minutes or so works
perfectly. To 99% of the population, there's no appreciable difference to
being online on the LAN.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> Oh yea. Use OST's 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you 
> will find a
> magic bullet for this. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to 
> allow access to
> remote access to Exchange.
> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially 
> over dial-up.
> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, 
> by using RPC
> over HTTP.
> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> 
> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Alex Alborzfard
>   Exchange Admin
> 
> 
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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Ed Crowley
Agree completely.  Cache mode rocks, and the product is still in beta!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

And with outlook 2003, RPC over HTTP isn't nearly as remote user useful as
cached mode is.

> From: "Ben Winzenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:41:32 -0500
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> You still have to connect to the VPN to synchronize.  So yes, it is 
> still as secure :-)
> 
> The big gain is that users do not notice the performance hit from the 
> VPN because they are running everything in offline mode and just 
> requesting updated information every 10 minutes or whatever.  The only 
> info that gets sent across the VPN is new messages, and anything they 
> send.
> 
> 
> Ben Winzenz
> Network Engineer
> Gardner & White
> (317) 581-1580 ext 418
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:59 AM Posted To: Exchange 
> (Swynk)
> Conversation: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> I was gonna ask the same thing. My other question is: is it as secure 
> as VPN?
>


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Blackstone
Over dialup? 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

VPN works just great here.

> From: Alex Alborzfard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:20:54 -0400
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
> remote access to Exchange.
> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using RPC
> over HTTP.
> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> 
> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Alex Alborzfard
> Exchange Admin


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Roger Seielstad
Absolutely. Even out of cheap arse hotel rooms where I didn't get more that
21.6k.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> Over dialup? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:56 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Hell no.
> 
> Outlook in offline mode synchronizing every 10 minutes or so works
> perfectly. To 99% of the population, there's no appreciable 
> difference to
> being online on the LAN.
> 
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis Inc.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:33 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> > 
> > 
> > Oh yea. Use OST's 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin Blackstone 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:33 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> > 
> > Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you 
> > will find a
> > magic bullet for this. 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> > 
> > We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to 
> > allow access to
> > remote access to Exchange.
> > But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially 
> > over dial-up.
> > I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, 
> > by using RPC
> > over HTTP.
> > Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> > 
> > What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > --Alex Alborzfard
> >   Exchange Admin
> > 
> > 
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Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Chris Scharff
21.6k... Darn youngin's back in my day...

> From: Roger Seielstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:19:57 -0400
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Absolutely. Even out of cheap arse hotel rooms where I didn't get more that
> 21.6k.
> 
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis Inc.
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:59 PM
>> To: Exchange Discussions
>> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
>> 
>> 
>> Over dialup? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:56 AM
>> To: Exchange Discussions
>> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
>> 
>> Hell no.
>> 
>> Outlook in offline mode synchronizing every 10 minutes or so works
>> perfectly. To 99% of the population, there's no appreciable
>> difference to
>> being online on the LAN.
>> 
>> --
>> Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
>> Sr. Systems Administrator
>> Inovis Inc.
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:33 PM
>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Oh yea. Use OST's
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Martin Blackstone
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:33 AM
>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
>>> 
>>> Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you
>>> will find a
>>> magic bullet for this.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
>>> 
>>> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to
>>> allow access to
>>> remote access to Exchange.
>>> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially
>>> over dial-up.
>>> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem,
>>> by using RPC
>>> over HTTP.
>>> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
>>> 
>>> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> --Alex Alborzfard
>>>   Exchange Admin
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Ben Winzenz
Just make sure that you know the requirements for RPC/HTTP.  1 Windows
2003 server running the RPC Proxy service (or ISA Server can do it as
well)- I don't recall if that can run on the Exchange 2003 server or
not, then obviously Exchange 2003. All clients must be Windows XP SP1
plus a hotfix, and Outlook 2003. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:21 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues


We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
remote access to Exchange.
But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using
RPC over HTTP.
Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?

What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?


Thanks

--Alex Alborzfard
  Exchange Admin


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Blackstone
Over dialup? 

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

Hell no.

Outlook in offline mode synchronizing every 10 minutes or so works
perfectly. To 99% of the population, there's no appreciable difference to
being online on the LAN.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> Oh yea. Use OST's 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> Outlook via dialup by any means is awful. I don't think you 
> will find a
> magic bullet for this. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to 
> allow access to
> remote access to Exchange.
> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially 
> over dial-up.
> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, 
> by using RPC
> over HTTP.
> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> 
> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Alex Alborzfard
>   Exchange Admin
> 
> 
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Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Chris Scharff
VPN works just great here.

> From: Alex Alborzfard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:20:54 -0400
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
> remote access to Exchange.
> But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
> I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using RPC
> over HTTP.
> Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?
> 
> What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Alex Alborzfard
> Exchange Admin


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-14 Thread Finch Brett
 Well I can only speak for myself, a 5.5 shop that did 2K AD and waited for
the rest. We're going Ol2K3, Ex2K3 and Win2K3 when it all comes together. I
think Terminal Server (dialup or Internet) is more viable than VPN.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues


We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
remote access to Exchange. But I've heard the performance is really dismal
especially over dial-up. I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this
problem, by using RPC over HTTP. Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03
instead?

What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?


Thanks

--Alex Alborzfard
  Exchange Admin


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Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-21 Thread dng
FYI,

I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 135 in order
to get the Outlook client to work.  The problem is the new msblaster
virus; it uses port 135.

Dave

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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-21 Thread Ely, Don
Huh? 

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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

FYI,

I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 135 in order
to get the Outlook client to work.  The problem is the new msblaster virus;
it uses port 135.

Dave

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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-21 Thread Martin Blackstone
Sounds like BAS 

-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

Huh? 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

FYI,

I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 135 in order
to get the Outlook client to work.  The problem is the new msblaster virus;
it uses port 135.

Dave

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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-22 Thread Robert Moir
That's why we suggest a VPN. 

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> Sent: 21 August 2003 23:20
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> FYI,
> 
> I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 
> 135 in order to get the Outlook client to work.  The problem 
> is the new msblaster virus; it uses port 135.
> 
> Dave
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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-22 Thread Roger Seielstad
Do you port filter on all your trusted connections?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
> 
> 
> FYI,
> 
> I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 
> 135 in order
> to get the Outlook client to work.  The problem is the new msblaster
> virus; it uses port 135.
> 
> Dave
> 
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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-22 Thread Tony Hlabse
BAS?

From: Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:40:59 -0700
Sounds like BAS

-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
Huh?

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Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
FYI,

I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 135 in order
to get the Outlook client to work.  The problem is the new msblaster virus;
it uses port 135.
Dave

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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-22 Thread Ely, Don
Broke A$$ Sh!t.  Coined by myself because that's what most other admins have
when they come posting to these forums...  ;o)

As an aside, I have been known to encounter my own BAS on my own network...
:P 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

BAS?


From: Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:40:59 -0700

Sounds like BAS

-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

Huh?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

FYI,

I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 135 in order
to get the Outlook client to work.  The problem is the new msblaster virus;
it uses port 135.

Dave

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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-22 Thread Martin, Jon
Never personally tried it over dial-up, although we have a few users doing that and 
I've heard no complaints (then again, I am not on the Help Desk). It works fine 
(Outlook97 & 2k going against Exch5.5 & 2k) over DSL/Cable.

There is one annoyance which may account for the port 135 reference - Outlook over VPN 
does not update the Unread Items counter in a timely fashion. Sometimes it takes a few 
minutes for incoming mail to register via the counters on the right side of folder 
names. I recall that there was some UDP port you could open to fix this, but we left 
things closed. Clicking on any folder would force an Unread Items count update.

Jon

 -Original Message-
From:   Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
Posted To:  exchange - new
Conversation:   Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
Subject:Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
remote access to Exchange.
But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using RPC
over HTTP.
Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?

What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?


Thanks

--Alex Alborzfard
  Exchange Admin


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RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

2003-08-25 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
There is a registry "fix" for the new message notification UDP blockage.
The "fix" causes Outlook to refresh every 1 minute and display the new
messages.


-Original Message-
From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:39 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

Never personally tried it over dial-up, although we have a few users
doing that and I've heard no complaints (then again, I am not on the
Help Desk). It works fine (Outlook97 & 2k going against Exch5.5 & 2k)
over DSL/Cable.

There is one annoyance which may account for the port 135 reference -
Outlook over VPN does not update the Unread Items counter in a timely
fashion. Sometimes it takes a few minutes for incoming mail to register
via the counters on the right side of folder names. I recall that there
was some UDP port you could open to fix this, but we left things closed.
Clicking on any folder would force an Unread Items count update.

Jon

 -Original Message-
From:   Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:21 AM
Posted To:  exchange - new
Conversation:   Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
Subject:Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues

We are in the process of rolling out VPN (PPTP/IPSEC) to allow access to
remote access to Exchange.
But I've heard the performance is really dismal especially over dial-up.
I've also heard OL 03 with EX 03 takes care of this problem, by using
RPC
over HTTP.
Should we wait and upgrade to OL/EX 03 instead?

What are other OL(2000) to EX(5.5/2K) over VPN connectivity issues?


Thanks

--Alex Alborzfard
  Exchange Admin


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