RE: Exchange 2007 SMTP setup
We already have send connectors, that is not the issue. The issue is the shared mail domain of company.com. Exchange 2003 allowed IMAP/POP clients to send from the company.com e-mail address but Exchange 2007 is not since it is not listed as a accepted domain. That address is the users primary e-mail address in Exchange. If I add it as a accepted domain and a Exchange user tries to send to a company.com address that is not in Exchange they will get a NDR. From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:mbull...@root9.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SMTP setup By default Exchange 2007 doesn't allow you to send outbound. You need to create a new send connector - these should help: http://www.petri.co.il/configuring-exchange-2007-send-external-email.htm http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa998936.aspx -mb From: Senter, John [mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SMTP setup Trying to build out the new Exch 2007 and test current functionality. We have hub transport servers and no edge servers. I have set the Default connector to receive anonymous connections as described in several docs. The accepted domains at exchange.company.com. My current issue is testing with IMAP clients. Our users have 2 SMTP addresses, the primary external address and the internal exchange address: Company.com (shared with other systems) - primary mail domain for all users Exchange.company.com - secondary internal address only Currently with 2003 the imap clients point inbound and outbound to their mailbox server and check outbound requires authentication. On the client they have their primary address listed, u...@company.commailto:u...@company.com. When I try to configure a mailbox that is on the 2007 environment, inbound is the CAS server, outbound is the Hub Transport server, e-mail address is the same. The test fails: Send test e-mail message: Cannon send the message. Verify the e-mail address is in your account properties. The server responded: 550 5.7.1 Client does not have permissions to send as this sender. If I go into the imap client and attempt to send a e-mail to a internal person with the u...@company.commailto:u...@company.com address I get a Sys Admin message stating unable to relay. If I try and send to a external address is sits in the Outbox. Now if I update the settings so the e-mail is u...@exchange.company.commailto:u...@exchange.company.com then the test works fine and all outbound messages work. So is there anything I can do to get the HT servers to act the same way as Exchange 2003 servers. I thought about adding the mail domain as a accepted domain and setting it as a internal relay, but there were several docs about having to do other connectors and such. We will be running in a mix of 2003 and 2007 systems for a little while and we have Linux systems that also us the same primary mail domain. Thanks ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SMTP setup
It sounds like you do need to set this up as an Internal Relay Domain. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb676395.aspx looks like it describes setting up a shared name space that covers your scenario. From: Senter, John [mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SMTP setup We already have send connectors, that is not the issue. The issue is the shared mail domain of company.com. Exchange 2003 allowed IMAP/POP clients to send from the company.com e-mail address but Exchange 2007 is not since it is not listed as a accepted domain. That address is the users primary e-mail address in Exchange. If I add it as a accepted domain and a Exchange user tries to send to a company.com address that is not in Exchange they will get a NDR. From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:mbull...@root9.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SMTP setup By default Exchange 2007 doesn't allow you to send outbound. You need to create a new send connector - these should help: http://www.petri.co.il/configuring-exchange-2007-send-external-email.htm http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa998936.aspx -mb From: Senter, John [mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SMTP setup Trying to build out the new Exch 2007 and test current functionality. We have hub transport servers and no edge servers. I have set the Default connector to receive anonymous connections as described in several docs. The accepted domains at exchange.company.com. My current issue is testing with IMAP clients. Our users have 2 SMTP addresses, the primary external address and the internal exchange address: Company.com (shared with other systems) - primary mail domain for all users Exchange.company.com - secondary internal address only Currently with 2003 the imap clients point inbound and outbound to their mailbox server and check outbound requires authentication. On the client they have their primary address listed, u...@company.commailto:u...@company.com. When I try to configure a mailbox that is on the 2007 environment, inbound is the CAS server, outbound is the Hub Transport server, e-mail address is the same. The test fails: Send test e-mail message: Cannon send the message. Verify the e-mail address is in your account properties. The server responded: 550 5.7.1 Client does not have permissions to send as this sender. If I go into the imap client and attempt to send a e-mail to a internal person with the u...@company.commailto:u...@company.com address I get a Sys Admin message stating unable to relay. If I try and send to a external address is sits in the Outbox. Now if I update the settings so the e-mail is u...@exchange.company.commailto:u...@exchange.company.com then the test works fine and all outbound messages work. So is there anything I can do to get the HT servers to act the same way as Exchange 2003 servers. I thought about adding the mail domain as a accepted domain and setting it as a internal relay, but there were several docs about having to do other connectors and such. We will be running in a mix of 2003 and 2007 systems for a little while and we have Linux systems that also us the same primary mail domain. Thanks ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
recipient policy help
I created new recipient policies to replace the legacy one's from our 55 days. During that process I had to add another domain for our of our business units. So I did an apply to all. We have 5 different exchange servers and I have 11 recipient policies. The users are being stamped and created correctly, but the DLs are only being stamped with the #1 policy. Here's the ldap from that policy. ((( (mailnickname=*) (| ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(!(homeMDB=*))(!(msExchHomeSe rverName=*)))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(msExchHomeServe rName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=IZZYEMAIL))((obj ectCategory=person)(objectClass=contact))(objectCategory=group)(objectCa tegory=publicFolder)(objectCategory=msExchDynamicDistributionList) I believe this should stamp all objects, but only on the izzyemail server, correct? but it seems to be stamping DLs on all emails servers!! thanks,jb Jason Benway System/Storage Engineer 616-847-8474 telephone 616-850-1208 fax www.jsjcorp.com http://www.jsjcorp.com/ JSJ Corporation 700 Robbins Road Grand Haven, MI 49417 This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~JSJ_Email_Bruce.jpg
what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.comwrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
That's where we're at. Sean Rector, MCSE -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season The One You Love Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La Boh��me, The Daughter of the Regiment, Don Giovanni and Porgy and BessSM Visit us online at www.vaopera.org or call 1-866-OPERA-VA This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). Unless otherwise specified, persons unnamed as recipients may not read, distribute, copy or alter this e-mail. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail belong to the author and may not necessarily represent those of Virginia Opera. Although precautions have been taken to ensure no viruses are present, Virginia Opera cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that may arise from the use of this e-mail or attachments. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.commailto:den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
15. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I'm set at 20 MB. I think that's huge, but a handful of users do exchange large files with external clients. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
30mb here - can send it from gmail, need to be able to receive something equal. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Roger Wright rwri...@evatone.com wrote: I'm set at 20 MB. I think that's huge, but a handful of users do exchange large files with external clients. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
We're at 10 and I think it's too big - we have an easy to use secure file transfer system in place for transferring files but users continue to (mis) use email as a file transfer system. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Not in my opinion, but this will no doubt spark a flurry of responses. I maintain that email is not for large file transfers. Note the words file transfer, as in file transfer protocol or secure file transfer protocal. That's what FTP servers are for. 'nuff said. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
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RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.commailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.commailto:den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Right on! - getting a bigger hammer to drive screws makes no sense to me. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Not in my opinion, but this will no doubt spark a flurry of responses. I maintain that email is not for large file transfers. Note the words file transfer, as in file transfer protocol or secure file transfer protocal. That's what FTP servers are for. 'nuff said. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
With the cost of disk space and bandwidth I see no reason to limit anything. It's a lot easier than listening to,what happened to my email?. I have sales people sending 50 meg attachments back and forth. Not fluff, contracts and other business related things. We can't get in the way of doing business, they're the ones making money, we just spend it. =) Matt -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Hmm, our top management has no problem with it - although the system we have is browser based and looks sort of like yahoo mail without advertisements. From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Yeah try and get a bunch of sales people to ftp anything. They do what they do and we do what we do. You can't expect them to use or even understand the differences in protocols and applications. M -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Right on! - getting a bigger hammer to drive screws makes no sense to me. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Not in my opinion, but this will no doubt spark a flurry of responses. I maintain that email is not for large file transfers. Note the words file transfer, as in file transfer protocol or secure file transfer protocal. That's what FTP servers are for. 'nuff said. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
IMO it depends on your type of business and how large your pipe is for sending data. If it's vital for business then i would allow unless it begins to affect all mail flow/usage of the web then ftp may be a better option. David From: Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24:00 AM Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
... a bigger hammer to drive screws... I love it. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Right on! - getting a bigger hammer to drive screws makes no sense to me. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Not in my opinion, but this will no doubt spark a flurry of responses. I maintain that email is not for large file transfers. Note the words file transfer, as in file transfer protocol or secure file transfer protocal. That's what FTP servers are for. 'nuff said. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Well...if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Exactly!!! Nor would you ask a bunch of sales people unless you want the dart board with your picture on it at the next sales meeting with the minutes forwarded to the vp of sales with huge whining. M -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Your point -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Well...if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I could not agree more Sherry... we have 20MB external/30MB uncompressed archives(for virus scanning) and 50MB internal. I think these are way too high Most admins forget the overhead of applying policy and filtering to these large attachments which can lead to performance degradation. - JB From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.commailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: recipient policy help
Your LDAP logic is a wee-bit off.. If I am reading this correctly, it says any mailenabled object that's: - any mailbox not on any server - any mailbox on IZZYEmail - any contact - any PF, DL or DDL ( ( ( (mailnickname=*) (| ( (objectCategory=person) (objectClass=user) (!(homeMDB=*)) (!(msExchHomeServerName=*)) ) ( (objectCategory=person) (objectClass=user) (msExchHomeServerName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=IZZYEMAIL) ) ( (objectCategory=person) (objectClass=contact) ) (objectCategory=group) (objectCategory=publicFolder) (objectCategory=msExchDynamicDistributionList) I think you want something more like: - Any mail enabled object, on IZZYEMAIL that is a mailbox, contact, group, PF or DDL. ((mailnickname=*) (msExchHomeServerName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=IZZYEMAIL) (| ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user) ) ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=contact)) (objectCategory=group) (objectCategory=publicFolder) (objectCategory=msExchDynamicDistributionList) ) ) To shorten that a bit more, since you're hitting all mail enabled objects on the server: ((mailnickname=*) (msExchHomeServerName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=IZZYEMAIL)) will do approx. the same thing. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Jason Benway benw...@jsjcorp.com wrote: I created new recipient policies to replace the legacy one's from our 55 days. During that process I had to add another domain for our of our business units. So I did an apply to all. We have 5 different exchange servers and I have 11 recipient policies. The users are being stamped and created correctly, but the DLs are only being stamped with the #1 policy. Here's the ldap from that policy. ((( (mailnickname=*) (| ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(!(homeMDB=*))(!(msExchHomeServerName=*)))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(msExchHomeServerName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=IZZYEMAIL))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=contact))(objectCategory=group)(objectCategory=publicFolder)(objectCategory=msExchDynamicDistributionList) I believe this should stamp all objects, but only on the izzyemail server, correct? but it seems to be stamping DLs on all emails servers!! thanks,jb Jason Benway System/Storage Engineer 616-847-8474 telephone 616-850-1208 fax www.jsjcorp.com *JSJ* *Corporation *700 Robbins Road Grand Haven, MI 49417 -- This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~JSJ_Email_Bruce.jpg
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
MIME encoding typically adds 20-30% overhead. - Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Scot Parsons spars...@scetv.org wrote: Isn’t there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? *From:* Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Just that if you want to allow 10MB attachments, you need to have a limit higher than 10MB. -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Your point -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Well...if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
It's real easy, being draconian doesn't and never has won any favors from anyone. On the other hand if they want to play then they have to pay, but don't limit them. Simple. M -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I could not agree more Sherry... we have 20MB external/30MB uncompressed archives(for virus scanning) and 50MB internal. I think these are way too high Most admins forget the overhead of applying policy and filtering to these large attachments which can lead to performance degradation. - JB From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
We limit it to 10 Mb, we have to archive EVERYTHING for 7 years and it adds up fast. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Sherry Abercrombie To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Thu Jun 11 12:26:23 2009 Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.commailto:den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
That would fall in the Derr folder. It aint 1998 any more. Gotta go work check ya all later. M -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Just that if you want to allow 10MB attachments, you need to have a limit higher than 10MB. -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Your point -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Well...if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn't want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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My experience, MIME/UUEncoding for transport across the Internet can easily add 30% to the size of a message. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Don Andrews don.andr...@safeway.comwrote: Well…….if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. -- *From:* Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn’t there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? *From:* Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Was a reply to Scot's question based on what I've seen. -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Your point -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Well...if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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a point to train your users on. That 10mb attachment on your workstation will bloat to 13mb when it travels across the Internet. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Matt Moore mattmoore...@hotmail.comwrote: Your point -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Well...if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I think I set it at 75 MB. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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We have a Gmail account for these situations. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Ralph Smith To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Thu Jun 11 13:01:58 2009 Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn���t want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.commailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.commailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States Confidentiality Notice: ** This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal
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The voice of reason! =) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think I set it at 75 MB. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Yup - we tell em that if they even approach that size, they should not be considering email - our internal users are automatically authorized to use our Secure Messaging system (browser based, looks like email) - sending to external user automatically creates an account for the external user which they can use to compose and send to us. It IS a couple of extra steps but moves the limit to 600MB. We also have mailbox quotas - this avoids using that up too. Archaic? Possibly but with 60k+ users on e2k3 on server clusters sized 5-8 years ago We live with it and it works for us - and our business partners. From: Eric Woodford [mailto:ericwoodf...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 a point to train your users on. That 10mb attachment on your workstation will bloat to 13mb when it travels across the Internet. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Matt Moore mattmoore...@hotmail.com wrote: Your point -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Well...if you attach a 10 meg file, the resulting email (particularly when converted to SMTP) is likely to be 12-15 meg or more. From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Isn't there also overhead to consider? If you send a 10MB message, exchange sees it as something like 12MB. Could an expert chime in on this? From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I have to agree with Sherry even though mine is 10mb. We have some reports that go out that border that. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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While I tend to agree with the stance e-mail isn't the medium for large file transfers, the bottom line is that IT is meant to serve business requirements. As someone said it before, if the users need certain functionality to support the business, the business needs to give you the resources to make it happen. Its the responsibility of the IT professional to clearly state the pros and cons and to identify what those resources are. While it becomes a bit of an administrative PITA, you can set the global sending size limit to the maximum required by certain departments/users in your company, and then individually assign lower sending limits to those who don't require that capability for business purposes. This at least narrows the overhead of large attachment transmission. - Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Ralph Smith m...@gatewayindustries.orgwrote: We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn’t want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? -- *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States * Confidentiality Notice: ** This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. * ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
We'd say, here, use this - it's easy and a better method of transferring files. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn't want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States Confidentiality Notice: ** This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Has it been 20 minutes already? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Of course, the limitations that others have implemented in their messaging solutions have little to do with whether DM is being reasonable given the balance of his firm's needs and resources. Limits? Ya, whatever the receiving system accepts. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think that you're very generous actually, I limit size to 5mb. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dennis Melahn den...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The voice of reason! =) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think I set it at 75 MB. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I don't have a ton of bandwidth and/or storage. Based on all the feedback I think I'll bump it to 20 MB for now and let mailbox size limits handle those who choose to abuse. Thanks, Dennis -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I used to be a customer. From: Kat Collins [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 And if you consistently need larger file delivery, look at shameless plug YouSendIt Corporate Suite. www.yousendit.com http://www.yousendit.com/ http://www.yousendit.com/cms/solutions-individuals Individuals ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
It's easy to criticize from the outside. Decisions are made for various reasons often non-technical, but some technical. Because users aren't educated does that mean, we as Admins, allow them to do it? I often tell the support desk and other groups in our Dept - just because you can, doesn't mean you should. - JB -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It's real easy, being draconian doesn't and never has won any favors from anyone. On the other hand if they want to play then they have to pay, but don't limit them. Simple. M -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I could not agree more Sherry... we have 20MB external/30MB uncompressed archives(for virus scanning) and 50MB internal. I think these are way too high Most admins forget the overhead of applying policy and filtering to these large attachments which can lead to performance degradation. - JB From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
In our email world, there are internal users and external users, which are all viewed as potential customers. The mandate from the top is pretty clear: Do what you have to for our employees but customers get to do anything they want. We've got a 50MB default limit, but we lift it temporarily quite a bit. -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It's easy to criticize from the outside. Decisions are made for various reasons often non-technical, but some technical. Because users aren't educated does that mean, we as Admins, allow them to do it? I often tell the support desk and other groups in our Dept - just because you can, doesn't mean you should. - JB -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It's real easy, being draconian doesn't and never has won any favors from anyone. On the other hand if they want to play then they have to pay, but don't limit them. Simple. M -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I could not agree more Sherry... we have 20MB external/30MB uncompressed archives(for virus scanning) and 50MB internal. I think these are way too high Most admins forget the overhead of applying policy and filtering to these large attachments which can lead to performance degradation. - JB From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Outlook 2007 ADM Template
I'm gearing up for our transition from Office 2003 to Office 2007. I'm currently working on the new Group Policies and came across a particular setting that has me a bit confused. Within the Outlook 2007 Template: User Configuration/Administrative Templates/Microsoft Office Outlook 2007/Miscellaneous/PAB Migration The only options are Enable/Disable/Not Configured. The explanation states the following: The Personal Address Book (PAB) is not supported in Microsoft Office Outlook 2007. By default, users are prompted when Outlook first starts to migrate the PAB contents into a Contacts folder they choose. This setting allows you to change migration behavior so that users are not prompted. You can choose to: 1) migrate users' PAB contents automatically to the Contacts folder (the default Outlook Address Book) when Outlook first starts (silent migration) and remove the PAB from users' profiles 2) just remove the PAB from users' profiles. Removing the PAB from profiles does not delete the PAB files; they can be imported later using Import and Export on the File menu. Is there a way to choose the behavior that I'm just not seeing? - Sean ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
How's your backup window? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The voice of reason! =) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think I set it at 75 MB. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I told you there'd be a flurry of discussion. :-) -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I don't have a ton of bandwidth and/or storage. Based on all the feedback I think I'll bump it to 20 MB for now and let mailbox size limits handle those who choose to abuse. Thanks, Dennis -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
I will disagree with that 20th century assessment. It is more like using a different screwdriver. If you want to setup and maintain a SFTP resource and the intended recipients are willing to partake in this method of file transfer, then great. Perhaps that is best for you. Perhaps an HTTPS file transfer service, either web-based or internal, may work well. Or perhaps SMTP is the answer. A bigger issue is that some enterprises have to store these messages for compliance. And while Kryder's Law (Moore's Law for storage) suggests storage will continue to grow, it doesn't mean we need to fill it with e-mails. There is no right or wrong answer here. Only to understand the needs and resources of the individual enterprise and choose the best option for them. I have seen many admins limit message size just because there is an option to configure it. Or they try to enforce arbitrarily chosen limits. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Right on! - getting a bigger hammer to drive screws makes no sense to me. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Not in my opinion, but this will no doubt spark a flurry of responses. I maintain that email is not for large file transfers. Note the words file transfer, as in file transfer protocol or secure file transfer protocal. That's what FTP servers are for. 'nuff said. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
For those that are using an FTP solution for large file transfers, what are you using? I am interested in an easy to use web based setup and any details would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I told you there'd be a flurry of discussion. :-) -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I don't have a ton of bandwidth and/or storage. Based on all the feedback I think I'll bump it to 20 MB for now and let mailbox size limits handle those who choose to abuse. Thanks, Dennis -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
We are using an Accellion solution. Integrates with AD, extensible, Outlook integration for internal users, brandable. It's not FTP, but an HTTPS solution. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Kelleher, Kevinkevin.kelle...@mirotechnologies.com wrote: For those that are using an FTP solution for large file transfers, what are you using? I am interested in an easy to use web based setup and any details would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I told you there'd be a flurry of discussion. :-) -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I don't have a ton of bandwidth and/or storage. Based on all the feedback I think I'll bump it to 20 MB for now and let mailbox size limits handle those who choose to abuse. Thanks, Dennis -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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And being the non-technical buyer he is, he says, no problem, I'll just stick with the methods and vendors I know. We can't even get a foot in the door because we asked him to do something a little different. Don't get me wrong, I prefer not to use Exchange as a FTP server, and I still have a 15 meg limit on incoming and a 10 meg limit on outgoing messages. My point is that sometimes what is best and easiest, and makes the most sense to us, isn't always seen that way by people outside the company that we have little ability to influence. So each organization has to make that call for themselves. Another example of why message size restrictions can be a problem: My CEO gets several messages a week ranging from 10 to 13 megs from various government agencies. She needs to receive these messages, and the senders are sending them out to numerous different agencies at once, so there is zero chance of getting them to do anything differently. So we make adjustments on our rules, increasing the incoming limit from 10 15 MB. I know at some point she is going to be vexed because she didn't get a 16 or 17 MB message, and I'll be upping the limit again. From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We'd say, here, use this - it's easy and a better method of transferring files. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn't want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any
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We use Globalscape Secure FTP Server with the HTTP/S option. It works ok for the price. Once your ftp admins understand how to set permission within it's virtual file system then life becomes much better. Dennis -Original Message- From: Kelleher, Kevin [mailto:kevin.kelle...@mirotechnologies.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 For those that are using an FTP solution for large file transfers, what are you using? I am interested in an easy to use web based setup and any details would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Why don't you just set the size limit higher on her mailbox only ? CFee From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 And being the non-technical buyer he is, he says, no problem, I'll just stick with the methods and vendors I know. We can't even get a foot in the door because we asked him to do something a little different. Don't get me wrong, I prefer not to use Exchange as a FTP server, and I still have a 15 meg limit on incoming and a 10 meg limit on outgoing messages. My point is that sometimes what is best and easiest, and makes the most sense to us, isn't always seen that way by people outside the company that we have little ability to influence. So each organization has to make that call for themselves. Another example of why message size restrictions can be a problem: My CEO gets several messages a week ranging from 10 to 13 megs from various government agencies. She needs to receive these messages, and the senders are sending them out to numerous different agencies at once, so there is zero chance of getting them to do anything differently. So we make adjustments on our rules, increasing the incoming limit from 10 15 MB. I know at some point she is going to be vexed because she didn't get a 16 or 17 MB message, and I'll be upping the limit again. From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We'd say, here, use this - it's easy and a better method of transferring files. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn't want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark
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We're using Tumbleweed's Secure Messenger - https based w/internet access via reverse proxy. Internal users authenticated via AD (or various flavors of LDAP), external users have local passwords. Shares servers/databases with their Email Firewall product which we use. UI is email like - send includes server generated email w/link to message, read (open) confirmation. I can send you off-list sample if you'd like. Tumbleweed has other, more industrial strength file transfer systems as well but this one integrates with what we had. -Original Message- From: Kelleher, Kevin [mailto:kevin.kelle...@mirotechnologies.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:48 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 For those that are using an FTP solution for large file transfers, what are you using? I am interested in an easy to use web based setup and any details would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I told you there'd be a flurry of discussion. :-) -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I don't have a ton of bandwidth and/or storage. Based on all the feedback I think I'll bump it to 20 MB for now and let mailbox size limits handle those who choose to abuse. Thanks, Dennis -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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That was an example; there are several people here with the same situation (often the same emails). This may be my Exchange ignorance, as I am far, far, far from being an Exchange expert, but when I tried to do that it seemed as though messages coming in from the outside were still being blocked if they exceeded the global setting, although internal messages between people with the higher limits went through OK. Ralph From: Carol Fee [mailto:c...@massbar.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Why don't you just set the size limit higher on her mailbox only ? CFee From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 And being the non-technical buyer he is, he says, no problem, I'll just stick with the methods and vendors I know. We can't even get a foot in the door because we asked him to do something a little different. Don't get me wrong, I prefer not to use Exchange as a FTP server, and I still have a 15 meg limit on incoming and a 10 meg limit on outgoing messages. My point is that sometimes what is best and easiest, and makes the most sense to us, isn't always seen that way by people outside the company that we have little ability to influence. So each organization has to make that call for themselves. Another example of why message size restrictions can be a problem: My CEO gets several messages a week ranging from 10 to 13 megs from various government agencies. She needs to receive these messages, and the senders are sending them out to numerous different agencies at once, so there is zero chance of getting them to do anything differently. So we make adjustments on our rules, increasing the incoming limit from 10 15 MB. I know at some point she is going to be vexed because she didn't get a 16 or 17 MB message, and I'll be upping the limit again. From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We'd say, here, use this - it's easy and a better method of transferring files. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn't want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every
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It sounds like there are message size limits set on your receive connectors. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That was an example; there are several people here with the same situation (often the same emails). This may be my Exchange ignorance, as I am far, far, far from being an Exchange expert, but when I tried to do that it seemed as though messages coming in from the outside were still being blocked if they exceeded the global setting, although internal messages between people with the higher limits went through OK. Ralph From: Carol Fee [mailto:c...@massbar.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Why don't you just set the size limit higher on her mailbox only ? CFee From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 And being the non-technical buyer he is, he says, no problem, I'll just stick with the methods and vendors I know. We can't even get a foot in the door because we asked him to do something a little different. Don't get me wrong, I prefer not to use Exchange as a FTP server, and I still have a 15 meg limit on incoming and a 10 meg limit on outgoing messages. My point is that sometimes what is best and easiest, and makes the most sense to us, isn't always seen that way by people outside the company that we have little ability to influence. So each organization has to make that call for themselves. Another example of why message size restrictions can be a problem: My CEO gets several messages a week ranging from 10 to 13 megs from various government agencies. She needs to receive these messages, and the senders are sending them out to numerous different agencies at once, so there is zero chance of getting them to do anything differently. So we make adjustments on our rules, increasing the incoming limit from 10 15 MB. I know at some point she is going to be vexed because she didn't get a 16 or 17 MB message, and I'll be upping the limit again. From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We'd say, here, use this - it's easy and a better method of transferring files. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn't want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.commailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to
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We limit to 10mbytes inbound (the default for postfix), and 20mbytes (the default for E2k3) internally and outbound. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 09:24, Dennis Melahnden...@advancedav.com wrote: Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Hmm. On Exchange 2003 Standard, where do I find that? Under Routing Groups I have no connectors, under SMTP virtual server properties the Limit Message Size and Limit Session Size boxes are both unchecked. I can't say definitively they were unchecked at the time, so if that is what you are referring to I'll have to test it again - thanks for the tip. From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It sounds like there are message size limits set on your receive connectors. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That was an example; there are several people here with the same situation (often the same emails). This may be my Exchange ignorance, as I am far, far, far from being an Exchange expert, but when I tried to do that it seemed as though messages coming in from the outside were still being blocked if they exceeded the global setting, although internal messages between people with the higher limits went through OK. Ralph From: Carol Fee [mailto:c...@massbar.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Why don't you just set the size limit higher on her mailbox only ? CFee From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 And being the non-technical buyer he is, he says, no problem, I'll just stick with the methods and vendors I know. We can't even get a foot in the door because we asked him to do something a little different. Don't get me wrong, I prefer not to use Exchange as a FTP server, and I still have a 15 meg limit on incoming and a 10 meg limit on outgoing messages. My point is that sometimes what is best and easiest, and makes the most sense to us, isn't always seen that way by people outside the company that we have little ability to influence. So each organization has to make that call for themselves. Another example of why message size restrictions can be a problem: My CEO gets several messages a week ranging from 10 to 13 megs from various government agencies. She needs to receive these messages, and the senders are sending them out to numerous different agencies at once, so there is zero chance of getting them to do anything differently. So we make adjustments on our rules, increasing the incoming limit from 10 15 MB. I know at some point she is going to be vexed because she didn't get a 16 or 17 MB message, and I'll be upping the limit again. From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We'd say, here, use this - it's easy and a better method of transferring files. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 We had a situation where a salesperson was trying to get a new customer. The potential customer wanted to send a 15 meg attachment with the product specs to our salesperson so we could get a quote back to him. His email was bounced because of the attachment size limit. We asked him to upload it to our FTP server, but he didn't want to do it. Now our rules are making it difficult for him, and he starts getting the feeling we are hard to work with. So do we relax our message size limit, or lose a sale? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Like I said, setup and used properly FTP is much easier for everyone. We have our users trained on how to upload to our FTP site, note the url for the file and send the url to the person that wants the file via email. You're not asking the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp to use FTP, they are just clicking on a link in an email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We were never too keen on asking customers to deal with FTP. For example the VP of Advertising for Eaton Corp or the CEO of Forest City Enterprises is just not someone you would tell had to use FTP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday,
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No, it's completely unreasonable. That's especially true if the money isn't there to support the infrastructure. But, it's not merely the disk storage for Exchange. It's also bandwidth for the rest of the users, both in the office, and also the poor ba***rds on the road with RPC/HTTPS synching their laptops with that pig of an email in the skinny python of his hotspot connection. SMTP != FTP, pure and simple. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:14, Matt Mooremattmoore...@hotmail.com wrote: The voice of reason! =) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think I set it at 75 MB. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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And you're not now because... On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:30, William Lefkovicswill...@lefkovics.net wrote: I used to be a customer. From: Kat Collins [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 And if you consistently need larger file delivery, look at shameless plug YouSendIt Corporate Suite. www.yousendit.com Individuals ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Yes, the same bandwidth that is used for sending out email in my organization is the same pipe that is used for income generating web based traffic into my organization, so here the bottom line is don't do anything to impede that pipe on that incoming side for that income generating web traffic. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's completely unreasonable. That's especially true if the money isn't there to support the infrastructure. But, it's not merely the disk storage for Exchange. It's also bandwidth for the rest of the users, both in the office, and also the poor ba***rds on the road with RPC/HTTPS synching their laptops with that pig of an email in the skinny python of his hotspot connection. SMTP != FTP, pure and simple. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:14, Matt Mooremattmoore...@hotmail.com wrote: The voice of reason! =) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I think I set it at 75 MB. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: That's especially true if the money isn't there to support the infrastructure. Certainly, if one can't afford the infrastructure to implement business demands, that's a time when IT has to push back. Pay up or shut up. But if the money's there, it's just a matter of implementation, assuming the policy-makers decide it is appropriate use of funds. SMTP != FTP, pure and simple. With 8-bit MIME, SMTP might actually be better than FTP. SMTP only uses a single port. ;-) The argument email isn't designed to transfer files is fundamentally the wrong way to approach the problem. People find it's convenient to send files to named recipients in outside organizations -- and why is that wrong? IT is suppose to be an enabler. If email isn't designed to transfer files, the correct approach is to change the design. Now, the objection most people's systems can't support that is a valid pragmatic argument, since new designs don't get implemented all at once. There was a time when anything other than 7-bit ASCII plain text, no MIME or HTML or anything else, was unacceptable for that very reason. But the world has moved on. Now Unicode and HTML in message bodies are quite common. With increases in storage capacity, server capacity, and bandwidth, and SMTP extensions for things like Unicode and 8-bit MIME, email can and is evolving. Google figured that out before almost anyone else did. Whether you or your organization are on the leading or trailing edge of the adoption curve doesn't mean it isn't so. (Note that being on the trailing edge isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most businesses are conservative, and rightly so.) I remember NetWare admins fighting tooth-and-nail against IP on LANs, too. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
1) How large a message can you send/receive with Gmail? 2) How many email exploits have relied on HTML and MIME encoding? I guess I'm just another BOFH, but for email text rules, and the rest I view with deep suspicion. Kurt On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:13, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: That's especially true if the money isn't there to support the infrastructure. Certainly, if one can't afford the infrastructure to implement business demands, that's a time when IT has to push back. Pay up or shut up. But if the money's there, it's just a matter of implementation, assuming the policy-makers decide it is appropriate use of funds. SMTP != FTP, pure and simple. With 8-bit MIME, SMTP might actually be better than FTP. SMTP only uses a single port. ;-) The argument email isn't designed to transfer files is fundamentally the wrong way to approach the problem. People find it's convenient to send files to named recipients in outside organizations -- and why is that wrong? IT is suppose to be an enabler. If email isn't designed to transfer files, the correct approach is to change the design. Now, the objection most people's systems can't support that is a valid pragmatic argument, since new designs don't get implemented all at once. There was a time when anything other than 7-bit ASCII plain text, no MIME or HTML or anything else, was unacceptable for that very reason. But the world has moved on. Now Unicode and HTML in message bodies are quite common. With increases in storage capacity, server capacity, and bandwidth, and SMTP extensions for things like Unicode and 8-bit MIME, email can and is evolving. Google figured that out before almost anyone else did. Whether you or your organization are on the leading or trailing edge of the adoption curve doesn't mean it isn't so. (Note that being on the trailing edge isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most businesses are conservative, and rightly so.) I remember NetWare admins fighting tooth-and-nail against IP on LANs, too. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Whitespace Question
Hello, I have Exchange 2003 Enterprise SP2 on Windows Server 2003 SP2. A few of our users have large mailboxes and I am enforcing limits on them. One user copied about 4GB of folders into a pst file and her mailbox size showed the size difference after that happened (reduced size). The user did this two days ago and I thought that I would see some whitespace regained anytime a mailbox size is reduced. My question is does this only increase the size of whitespace when a user deletes items? Chris Pohlschneider Network Administrator chris.pohlschnei...@hollowayusa.com 937-494-2559 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Whitespace Question
You won't see it until 1. your deleted item retention period has passed, and 2. online defrag has completed, look for event 1221 in the app log on your mailbox server. That will give you the free space in the db. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Chris Pohlschneider chris.pohlschnei...@hollowayusa.com wrote: Hello, I have Exchange 2003 Enterprise SP2 on Windows Server 2003 SP2. A few of our users have large mailboxes and I am enforcing limits on them. One user copied about 4GB of folders into a pst file and her mailbox size showed the size difference after that happened (reduced size). The user did this two days ago and I thought that I would see some whitespace regained anytime a mailbox size is reduced. My question is does this only increase the size of whitespace when a user deletes items? Chris Pohlschneider Network Administrator chris.pohlschnei...@hollowayusa.com 937-494-2559 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: recipient policy help
I'm using the GUI in exchange 2003 to create these policies. Not sure how to edit the ldap directly though the GUI, or which boxes to check to remote the query for any contact and any PF,DL, or DDL thanks,jb From: Eric Woodford [mailto:ericwoodf...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: recipient policy help Your LDAP logic is a wee-bit off.. If I am reading this correctly, it says any mailenabled object that's: * any mailbox not on any server * any mailbox on IZZYEmail * any contact * any PF, DL or DDL ( ( ( (mailnickname=*) (| ( (objectCategory=person) (objectClass=user) (!(homeMDB=*)) (!(msExchHomeServerName=*)) ) ( (objectCategory=person) (objectClass=user) (msExchHomeServerName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=I ZZYEMAIL) ) ( (objectCategory=person) (objectClass=contact) ) (objectCategory=group) (objectCategory=publicFolder) (objectCategory=msExchDynamicDistributionList) I think you want something more like: - Any mail enabled object, on IZZYEMAIL that is a mailbox, contact, group, PF or DDL. ((mailnickname=*) (msExchHomeServerName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=I ZZYEMAIL) (| ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user) ) ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=contact)) (objectCategory=group) (objectCategory=publicFolder) (objectCategory=msExchDynamicDistributionList) ) ) To shorten that a bit more, since you're hitting all mail enabled objects on the server: ((mailnickname=*) (msExchHomeServerName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=I ZZYEMAIL)) will do approx. the same thing. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Jason Benway benw...@jsjcorp.com wrote: I created new recipient policies to replace the legacy one's from our 55 days. During that process I had to add another domain for our of our business units. So I did an apply to all. We have 5 different exchange servers and I have 11 recipient policies. The users are being stamped and created correctly, but the DLs are only being stamped with the #1 policy. Here's the ldap from that policy. ((( (mailnickname=*) (| ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(!(homeMDB=*))(!(msExchHomeSe rverName=*)))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(msExchHomeServe rName=/O=ghsp/OU=Belton/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=IZZYEMAIL))((obj ectCategory=person)(objectClass=contact))(objectCategory=group)(objectCa tegory=publicFolder)(objectCategory=msExchDynamicDistributionList) I believe this should stamp all objects, but only on the izzyemail server, correct? but it seems to be stamping DLs on all emails servers!! thanks,jb Jason Benway System/Storage Engineer 616-847-8474 telephone 616-850-1208 fax www.jsjcorp.com http://www.jsjcorp.com/ JSJ Corporation 700 Robbins Road Grand Haven, MI 49417 This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~JSJ_Email_Bruce.jpg
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
Globalscape SFTP. Been awhile since we set it up, but I seem to recall it wasn't difficult. -Original Message- From: Kelleher, Kevin [mailto:kevin.kelle...@mirotechnologies.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 For those that are using an FTP solution for large file transfers, what are you using? I am interested in an easy to use web based setup and any details would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I told you there'd be a flurry of discussion. :-) -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I don't have a ton of bandwidth and/or storage. Based on all the feedback I think I'll bump it to 20 MB for now and let mailbox size limits handle those who choose to abuse. Thanks, Dennis -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 The business need fits it. :) I've got a ton of bandwidth and storage coming out of my ears. Let it rip baby. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 1) How large a message can you send/receive with Gmail? Originally, 10 MB (when most ISPs were limiting to 2 MB). Three years later, Gmail increased their limit to 20 MB. Others have gone further. The world moves on. 2) How many email exploits have relied on HTML and MIME encoding? How many exploits have relied on SMTP at all? Sendmail practically invented remote root exploits. If you're planning on coming back with that's why I switched to Postfix/Exim/whatever, then please realize you're arguing my point for me. :) The world moves on. If software doesn't move with it, people move to different software. I guess I'm just another BOFH, but for email text rules, and the rest I view with deep suspicion. Yah, me too, but I'm a curmudgeon. :) My employer doesn't pay me to be a curmudgeon. My employer pays me to make IT happen. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
As I've been reminded on many occasions, IT spends money, the rest of the company makes money. Upper management has always taken the position that we should cater to the business side. They don't want to think about computers, they just want to use them. Make it work so we don't have to hear about it. If they want to send 75 meg messages I'm all for it. It's a huge excuse for going over budget. -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It's easy to criticize from the outside. Decisions are made for various reasons often non-technical, but some technical. Because users aren't educated does that mean, we as Admins, allow them to do it? I often tell the support desk and other groups in our Dept - just because you can, doesn't mean you should. - JB -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It's real easy, being draconian doesn't and never has won any favors from anyone. On the other hand if they want to play then they have to pay, but don't limit them. Simple. M -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I could not agree more Sherry... we have 20MB external/30MB uncompressed archives(for virus scanning) and 50MB internal. I think these are way too high Most admins forget the overhead of applying policy and filtering to these large attachments which can lead to performance degradation. - JB From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
yep -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:sh...@wrightbg.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 In our email world, there are internal users and external users, which are all viewed as potential customers. The mandate from the top is pretty clear: Do what you have to for our employees but customers get to do anything they want. We've got a 50MB default limit, but we lift it temporarily quite a bit. -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It's easy to criticize from the outside. Decisions are made for various reasons often non-technical, but some technical. Because users aren't educated does that mean, we as Admins, allow them to do it? I often tell the support desk and other groups in our Dept - just because you can, doesn't mean you should. - JB -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 It's real easy, being draconian doesn't and never has won any favors from anyone. On the other hand if they want to play then they have to pay, but don't limit them. Simple. M -Original Message- From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 I could not agree more Sherry... we have 20MB external/30MB uncompressed archives(for virus scanning) and 50MB internal. I think these are way too high Most admins forget the overhead of applying policy and filtering to these large attachments which can lead to performance degradation. - JB From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 That's what FTP is for, File Transfer Protocol, Exchange is an email/calendering application. Setup and used properly, FTP is much more secure than email. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Do they need larger attachments to do their job? If yes, then either you are being unreasonable or your company is being unreasonable by not providing you the budget to support the needed size. Attachment size is a business decision and then IT should have the budget to provide that business need. I worked at an advertising agency in the past. Big attachments flying around helped them work better and faster and the company gave me the money to make it work, so I gave it to them. It was also real nice to know that every attachment bounce that came in was the result of the outside sender/recipient rather than me. It made answering that question nice and easy. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007 Was just curious if I was being unreasonable to my Sales department with my firm stand on 10 meg. Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: what is your maximum message size in exchange 2007
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 14:24, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 1) How large a message can you send/receive with Gmail? Originally, 10 MB (when most ISPs were limiting to 2 MB). Three years later, Gmail increased their limit to 20 MB. Others have gone further. The world moves on. 2) How many email exploits have relied on HTML and MIME encoding? How many exploits have relied on SMTP at all? Sendmail practically invented remote root exploits. If you're planning on coming back with that's why I switched to Postfix/Exim/whatever, then please realize you're arguing my point for me. :) The world moves on. If software doesn't move with it, people move to different software. I guess I'm just another BOFH, but for email text rules, and the rest I view with deep suspicion. Yah, me too, but I'm a curmudgeon. :) My employer doesn't pay me to be a curmudgeon. My employer pays me to make IT happen. Part of making IT happen is protecting the enterprise from itself. That's why I propose policies that do that. I don't always win, but they know up front the price they're paying. I won on the 10mbyte size limit, but I can't do anything about the HTML/MIME stuff except put up the best defense I know how. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
