subject:"RE\: Brick Level Backups"

RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Martin Blackstone


They take too long.
They use too much tape.
When you restore from them, you will usually find that a lot of stuff is
missing.
Deleted item retention should handle that.
They are a crutch.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Martin Blackstone

Here is the definitive answer!
http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:37 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

They take too long.
They use too much tape.
When you restore from them, you will usually find that a lot of stuff is
missing.
Deleted item retention should handle that.
They are a crutch.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups

I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
.+-

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Sanborn, John


BLB = backing up individual mailboxes
  1. Duplicates the full backup.
  2. Doubles or more the size and time of backups (lost Single Instance
Storage), and that's not even counting in the full backup.
  3. Some reports of it corrupting the DBs.
  4. With deleted item retention, it's unnecessary.

The Exchange agents allow you to do Online backups.  Without them (or
Exchange version of NTBackup), you can only do an Offline backup.  If you do
a non-Exchange aware backup with Exchange running the DBs are NOT backed up
because their files are in use.  You'd have to shut Exchange down before the
backup.

John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Dave Vantine


Brick level back ups break single instance storage (SIS). If I email 100
users an email with a 10mb attachment there will only be one 10mb attachment
with pointers to its location within the database with SIS. If you break SIS
each mail box will have the 10mb attachment. This could expand the size of
the store significantly requiring more time to perform backups as well as
restores

The exchange agent allows you to back up the database online and is the
safest method to back it up. I can't speak for other programs but the
Veritas OFA is designed not to backup Exchange or SQL and will ignore them
even if it is set

-Dave Vantine

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread John Matteson


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Cross, Tom


  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
.+-

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Lefkovics, William


>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL
becomes the database engine for Exchange?

William 


-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
.+-

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Kevin Miller


Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their  Teach you how to do 
exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.


-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL becomes the 
database engine for Exchange?

William 


-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data warehouse 
companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup our Exchange box.  
They swore up and down to me that they could do it without the Agent for NetBackup.  I 
called their bluff and scheduled disaster recovery testing and spent several days 
watching them scratch their heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was 
what it finally took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right 
tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but Exchnage is more 
than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions that are controled 
by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file manager/open file agent has no 
fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with Exchange, use a 
product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the CFO's 
budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange are bad. I 
was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to find out the reason why 
the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick 
level Backups are bad then why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app 
thats being used when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the 
Store & Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Lefkovics, William


Space is the biggest issue with BLB's?

Why do people keep emailing me offline warning me about helping 'Paul
Armstrong'?  Any ideas?
I'm easily confused, I guess.

William


-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:03 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Brick Level Backups


Thanks, I have been showing these responses to some one of my clients
and also some of the guys i work with to show that using OFA isn't
secure and can lead to disaster. i always tell them that if you think
that the OFA will properly backup Exchange and don't want to listen to
me but when Exchange dies and needs to be restored and it cant be, dont
blame me cause i told them so. 
 
I also agree with the response about BLB's, if the space is not an
issue, i perform a BLB but if space is sparce on a tape then i omit that
and just do a full IS\DS backup (which i do anyway when i do a BLB). 
 
I try to justify the cost by stating that if an Exchange disaster were
to occur and they were only using the OFA that it would be harder &
longer (if even possible) to try and restore than if they had an
Exchange Agent. If they were using W2K i would even go as far to use
NTBackup to backup the IS\DS to a file and include that in the backup of
whichever backup app they are using.

-Original Message- 
From: Cross, Tom 
Sent: Wed 1/9/2002 12:14 PM 
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
    Cc: 
    Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups



  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of
those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager
to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could
do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and
scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them
scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what
it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the
right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB
files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot
of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an
open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes
with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't
restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups
of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow
engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are
bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are
bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats
being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup
the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!


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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Cross, Tom


We were able to restore the info store as long as we treated it as offline
by using the OFA.  Transaction logs were impossible to piece together even
when I hacked the restore in progress key.  All in all, it was very messy.

Tom

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:07 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Space is the biggest issue with BLB's?

Why do people keep emailing me offline warning me about helping 'Paul
Armstrong'?  Any ideas?
I'm easily confused, I guess.

William


-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:03 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Brick Level Backups


Thanks, I have been showing these responses to some one of my clients
and also some of the guys i work with to show that using OFA isn't
secure and can lead to disaster. i always tell them that if you think
that the OFA will properly backup Exchange and don't want to listen to
me but when Exchange dies and needs to be restored and it cant be, dont
blame me cause i told them so. 
 
I also agree with the response about BLB's, if the space is not an
issue, i perform a BLB but if space is sparce on a tape then i omit that
and just do a full IS\DS backup (which i do anyway when i do a BLB). 
 
I try to justify the cost by stating that if an Exchange disaster were
to occur and they were only using the OFA that it would be harder &
longer (if even possible) to try and restore than if they had an
Exchange Agent. If they were using W2K i would even go as far to use
NTBackup to backup the IS\DS to a file and include that in the backup of
whichever backup app they are using.

-Original Message- 
From: Cross, Tom 
Sent: Wed 1/9/2002 12:14 PM 
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
    Cc: 
    Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups



  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of
those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager
to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could
do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and
scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them
scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what
it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the
right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB
files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot
of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an
open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes
with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't
restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups
of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow
engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are
bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are
bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats
being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup
the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Lefkovics, William

Oh...  is that an XML tag?  ?  It seems to have not been closed.

William 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their  Teach you how
to do exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL
becomes the database engine for Exchange?

William 

-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups

I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Don Ely

Which "DonElyWord" is this might I ask?

D

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:16 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

Oh...  is that an XML tag?  ?  It seems to have not been closed.

William 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their  Teach you how
to do exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL
becomes the database engine for Exchange?

William 

-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups

I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Lefkovics, William


This is what I am asking.  One never knows with Don Ely.

You are both a SQL and Exchange guru, aren't you?  You SMS weirdo you...

William

“Your server is suffering from the "Broke A$$ $hit" syndrome...” – Don Ely,
November 30, 2001


-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Which "DonElyWord" is this might I ask?

D

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:16 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Oh...  is that an XML tag?  ?  It seems to have not been closed.

William 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their  Teach you how
to do exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.


-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL
becomes the database engine for Exchange?

William 


-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
.+-

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Lefkovics, William


Sorry... that was meant to go to Don only.  My bad.

William 

“Remind me to tell you to fzck off when you need help again you ignorant
maroon.” – Don Ely, September 20, 2001

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


This is what I am asking.  One never knows with Don Ely.

You are both a SQL and Exchange guru, aren't you?  You SMS weirdo you...

William

“Your server is suffering from the "Broke A$$ $hit" syndrome...” – Don Ely,
November 30, 2001


-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Which "DonElyWord" is this might I ask?

D

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:16 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Oh...  is that an XML tag?  ?  It seems to have not been closed.

William 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their  Teach you how
to do exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.


-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL
becomes the database engine for Exchange?

William 


-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
.+-

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Kevin Miller


Ass shit.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.


-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Which "DonElyWord" is this might I ask?

D

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:16 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Oh...  is that an XML tag?  ?  It seems to have not been closed.

William 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their  Teach you how to do 
exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.


-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL becomes the 
database engine for Exchange?

William 


-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data warehouse 
companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup our Exchange box.  
They swore up and down to me that they could do it without the Agent for NetBackup.  I 
called their bluff and scheduled disaster recovery testing and spent several days 
watching them scratch their heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was 
what it finally took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right 
tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but Exchnage is more 
than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions that are controled 
by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file manager/open file agent has no 
fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with Exchange, use a 
product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the CFO's 
budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange are bad. I 
was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to find out the reason why 
the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick 
level Backups are bad then why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app 
thats being used when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the 
Store & Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Martin Blackstone

Freak!!!

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

This is what I am asking.  One never knows with Don Ely.

You are both a SQL and Exchange guru, aren't you?  You SMS weirdo you...

William

“Your server is suffering from the "Broke A$$ $hit" syndrome...” – Don Ely,
November 30, 2001

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

Which "DonElyWord" is this might I ask?

D

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:16 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

Oh...  is that an XML tag?  ?  It seems to have not been closed.

William 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their  Teach you how
to do exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL
becomes the database engine for Exchange?

William 

-Original Message-
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups

I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
.+-

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Kopec, David


Folks,
It's late for me.  I am tired.  I am going to remove a Exchange server from
the site.  All are NT4 XCH 5.5.  Basically this means deleting it within the
xch admin program then from server manager?  Am I forgeting anything???
David Kopec   
Electronic Messaging Specialist
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread David N. Precht


What NT sp ? What xch SP ?
- Original Message -
From: "Kopec, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 16:38
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


> Folks,
> It's late for me.  I am tired.  I am going to remove a Exchange server
from
> the site.  All are NT4 XCH 5.5.  Basically this means deleting it within
the
> xch admin program then from server manager?  Am I forgeting anything???
> David Kopec
> Electronic Messaging Specialist
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> List Charter and FAQ at:
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Lefkovics, William


Did you just hijack a thread?

If it's the first server: Q152959

All public folders rehomed elsewhere?  All mailboxes moved?

William 


-Original Message-
From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Folks,
It's late for me.  I am tired.  I am going to remove a Exchange server from
the site.  All are NT4 XCH 5.5.  Basically this means deleting it within the
xch admin program then from server manager?  Am I forgeting anything???
David Kopec   
Electronic Messaging Specialist
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread John Matteson


Before you remove it, you need to make sure that there are no connectors on
it, no public folder homed on it, no mailboxes, etc.

Given that those have already been acomplished, you need to shut down
Exchange services on the server to be deleted, then delete it with the
Exchange admin program, connected to a different server.

After that, you can shut the server down completely and remove it via server
manager.

John M.

-Original Message-
From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Folks,
It's late for me.  I am tired.  I am going to remove a Exchange server from
the site.  All are NT4 XCH 5.5.  Basically this means deleting it within the
xch admin program then from server manager?  Am I forgeting anything???
David Kopec   
Electronic Messaging Specialist
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Kelly_Borndale



Is it the first server that was set up in the site?  Moved all mailboxes?
Removed all PF replicas?
~
-K.Borndale
Network Administrator
Sybari Software
631.630.8569 -direct dial
631.439.0689 -fax
http://www.sybari.com
"One man's ceiling is another man's floor"


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Folks,
It's late for me.  I am tired.  I am going to remove a Exchange server from
the site.  All are NT4 XCH 5.5.  Basically this means deleting it within
the
xch admin program then from server manager?  Am I forgeting anything???
David Kopec
Electronic Messaging Specialist
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread Drewski


Is it the first in the site?

FAQ.  Read it.  Love it.  Live it.

http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm

-- Drew

Visit http://www.drewncapris.net!  Go!  Go there now!
Courage is simply the willingness to be afraid and act anyway. --Robert Anthony

-Original Message-
From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Folks,
It's late for me.  I am tired.  I am going to remove a Exchange server from
the site.  All are NT4 XCH 5.5.  Basically this means deleting it within the
xch admin program then from server manager?  Am I forgeting anything???
David Kopec   
Electronic Messaging Specialist
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-09 Thread msharik


Dude,  http://www.deaned.com/ofa.html  Go there now!

-MichÃ¨le, MOS+BP, TSCSP, soon to be a California Girl
Immigration site:  
The Miata has gone to live with Grandma for a little while:

Tiggercam:  
-
âDoes the box it came in say "Now 100% RPC Free!" on the front?â â Andy
David, April 11, 2001 
-


-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2002-01-10 Thread msharik

Also:  
Tao Of Backup Wailing Wall Story
http://www.taobackup.com/wailing_display.cgi?N=22

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:04 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups

Dude,  http://www.deaned.com/ofa.html  Go there now!

-MichÃ¨le, MOS+BP, TSCSP, soon to be a California Girl
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
The Miata has gone to live with Grandma for a little while:
<http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
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David, April 11, 2001 
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups

I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of
Exchange are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and
wanted to find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What
the issues with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then
why purchase an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used
when you could just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store
& Directory files. Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-08-31 Thread Clark, Steve

Title: Brick Level Backups










New to the
list? – DUCK ……

 

Steve Clark

Clark Systems Support, LLC

AVIEN Charter Member

www.clarksupport.com

  301-610-9584
voice

  240-465-0323
Efax

 

-Original
Message-
From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001
12:12 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups

 





 Hi 

 I'am in the
process of implementing a backup stategy using Arc Serve 2000 ,  Do I need
to take 
 backup of individual mailboxes , I know
backing up individual mailboxes are bad , can anybody 
 tell me why they are bad ? . what are
the  pro's and cons about brick level backup. 

 

 Thanks 
 Irfan 

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-08-31 Thread Irfan GM

Title: Brick Level Backups



yep , 
ducking and covering... :-) , answers please ...

  -Original Message-From: Clark, Steve 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 
  9:47 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick 
  Level Backups
  
  New to 
  the list? – DUCK ……
   
  Steve 
  Clark
  Clark 
  Systems Support, LLC
  AVIEN 
  Charter Member
  www.clarksupport.com
    
  301-610-9584 voice
    
  240-465-0323 Efax
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: Irfan GM 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:12 
  AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: Brick Level 
  Backups
   
  
   Hi 
  
   I'am in the 
  process of implementing a backup stategy using Arc Serve 2000 ,  Do I 
  need to take 
   backup of 
  individual mailboxes , I know backing up individual mailboxes are bad , can 
  anybody 
   tell me why 
  they are bad ? . what are the  pro's and cons about brick level 
  backup. 
  
   
   Thanks  Irfan 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-08-31 Thread Don Ely

Title: Message



http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm
 
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm
 
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm  section 
3.11
 
This should tell you all you need to know.  Now go 
read the FAQ and dump ArcServe 2000 please.  It is and always will be a 
crappy piece of software not supported by a crappier 
company.

  
  -Original Message-From: Irfan GM 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 
  9:12 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Brick Level 
  Backups
   Hi 
   I'am in the process of implementing a backup 
  stategy using Arc Serve 2000 ,  Do I need to take  backup of individual mailboxes , I know backing up 
  individual mailboxes are bad , can anybody  tell me why they are bad ? . what are the  pro's and cons 
  about brick level backup. 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-08-31 Thread Irfan GM

Title: Message



Thanks 
Don 

  -Original Message-From: Don Ely 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 
  9:54 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick 
  Level Backups
  http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm
   
  http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm
   
  http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm  section 
  3.11
   
  This should tell you all you need to know.  Now 
  go read the FAQ and dump ArcServe 2000 please.  It is and always will be 
  a crappy piece of software not supported by a crappier 
  company.
  

-Original Message-From: Irfan GM 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 
9:12 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Brick 
Level 
Backups
 Hi 
 I'am in the process of implementing a 
backup stategy using Arc Serve 2000 ,  Do I need to take 
 backup of individual mailboxes , I know 
backing up individual mailboxes are bad , can anybody  tell me why they are bad ? . what are the  
pro's and cons about brick level backup. 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-08-31 Thread Lefkovics, William

Title: Brick Level Backups

I
can't. I have a headache.
Oh
wait from the archives

The Top Ten Reasons why William Doesn't
recommend Brick-level
backups:10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT
(*shudder*)9. Brick-level backups should be done in conjunction with
regular backupstherefor duplicating the process.8. Brick-level backups
don't clear the transaction logs7. Brick-level restores
(esp of the entire store) are VERY slow6. Brick-level restores
result in loss of Single Instance Storage5. Brick-level backups
do not properly maintain all of the data structuresin the store that you
might need for a full restore (at least ComputerAssociates product
doesn't).4. The alternative is so much easier and cleaner - deleted item
retention.Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a little user education
and theycan do their own 'mailbox' restore.3. Regular use of exmerge (to
pst files for backup) for important mailboxesis another alternative.2.
Section 3.11 at: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm says so(ok, I don't do everything I'm told
either).1. The archives at the Exchange list at swynk.com are full of
Brick-levelhorror stories.William
Lefkovics, MCSE, A+
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Brick Level
Backups
Hi
I'am in the process of implementing a backup stategy
using Arc Serve 2000 , Do I need to take backup of individual mailboxes , I know backing up individual mailboxes
are bad , can anybody tell me why they are
bad ? . what are the pro's and cons about brick level backup.
Thanks Irfan
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-08-31 Thread Don Ely

Title: Message



Also 
check out this site...
 

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q272/2/34.ASP
 
Link may 
be wrapped...

  
  -Original Message-From: Don Ely 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:24 
  PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick Level 
  Backups
  http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm
   
  http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm
   
  http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm  section 
  3.11
   
  This should tell you all you need to know.  Now 
  go read the FAQ and dump ArcServe 2000 please.  It is and always will be 
  a crappy piece of software not supported by a crappier 
  company.
  

-Original Message-From: Irfan GM 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 
9:12 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Brick 
Level 
Backups
 Hi 
 I'am in the process of implementing a 
backup stategy using Arc Serve 2000 ,  Do I need to take 
 backup of individual mailboxes , I know 
backing up individual mailboxes are bad , can anybody  tell me why they are bad ? . what are the  
pro's and cons about brick level backup. 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-02 Thread John Allhiser

Title: Brick Level Backups

I'm a
little slow in checking the list. I've had other
"Labors".
I will
say that William, your reply is worthy of a shortcut
key.
Where
I work, they use BE 7.5. They had "open file" selected for
everything. When I was hired, I immediately changed to
*gasp* NTBackup for our Exchange 5.5 systems. I would offer
this: It doesn't matter what you use to back up the rest of your
network, databases (Exchange included) don't like 3rd party net
software. The latest agents notwithstanding. MS SQL comes with its
own backup software for this exact reason. NTBackup is Exchange aware right
out of the box. Imagine asking a DBA if you could go ahead and load
ArcServe2000 on their DB server(s).

-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001
11:25 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick
Level Backups
I
can't. I have a headache.
Oh
wait from the archives

The Top Ten Reasons why William Doesn't
recommend Brick-level
backups:10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT
(*shudder*)9. Brick-level backups should be done in conjunction with
regular backupstherefor duplicating the process.8. Brick-level backups
don't clear the transaction logs7. Brick-level
restores (esp of the entire store) are VERY slow6. Brick-level
restores result in loss of Single Instance Storage5. Brick-level backups
do not properly maintain all of the data structuresin the store that you
might need for a full restore (at least ComputerAssociates product
doesn't).4. The alternative is so much easier and cleaner - deleted item
retention.Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a little user
education and theycan do their own 'mailbox' restore.3. Regular use of
exmerge (to pst files for backup) for important mailboxesis another
alternative.2. Section 3.11 at: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm says so(ok, I don't do everything I'm told
either).1. The archives at the Exchange list at swynk.com are full of
Brick-levelhorror stories.William Lefkovics, MCSE,
A+
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Brick Level
Backups
Hi
I'am in the process of implementing a backup
stategy using Arc Serve 2000 , Do I need to take backup of individual mailboxes , I know backing up
individual mailboxes are bad , can anybody tell me why they are bad ? . what are the pro's and cons about
brick level backup.
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-03 Thread Lefkovics, William

Title: Brick Level Backups

The
AcrServeIT bashing on SQL forums is at least to the level it is on Exchange
forums.
William
-Original Message-From: John Allhiser
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:15
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick Level
Backups
I'm a
little slow in checking the list. I've had other
"Labors".
I will
say that William, your reply is worthy of a shortcut
key.
Where
I work, they use BE 7.5. They had "open file" selected for
everything. When I was hired, I immediately changed to
*gasp* NTBackup for our Exchange 5.5 systems. I would offer
this: It doesn't matter what you use to back up the rest of your
network, databases (Exchange included) don't like 3rd party net
software. The latest agents notwithstanding. MS SQL comes with its
own backup software for this exact reason. NTBackup is Exchange aware right
out of the box. Imagine asking a DBA if you could go ahead and load
ArcServe2000 on their DB server(s).

The Top Ten Reasons why William Doesn't
recommend Brick-level
backups:10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT
(*shudder*)9. Brick-level backups should be done in conjunction with
regular backupstherefor duplicating the process.8. Brick-level backups
don't clear the transaction logs7. Brick-level
restores (esp of the entire store) are VERY slow6. Brick-level
restores result in loss of Single Instance Storage5. Brick-level backups
do not properly maintain all of the data structuresin the store that you
might need for a full restore (at least ComputerAssociates product
doesn't).4. The alternative is so much easier and cleaner - deleted item
retention.Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a little user
education and theycan do their own 'mailbox' restore.3. Regular use of
exmerge (to pst files for backup) for important mailboxesis another
alternative.2. Section 3.11 at: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm says so(ok, I don't do everything I'm told
either).1. The archives at the Exchange list at swynk.com are full of
Brick-levelhorror stories.William Lefkovics, MCSE,
A+
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Brick Level
Backups
Hi
I'am in the process of implementing a backup
stategy using Arc Serve 2000 , Do I need to take backup of individual mailboxes , I know backing up
individual mailboxes are bad , can anybody tell me why they are bad ? . what are the pro's and cons about
brick level backup.
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-03 Thread Benjamin Zachary

Title: Message



Just 
as a followup, I typically do both full backup and brick level[1], time/space 
permitted. I have done so many restores of corrupted mailboxes[2] in 
enviornments and have never had an issue[3] up to now.  I have seen some 
weird things in large stores like 20+gig, and being able to not take the entire 
thing down has been a pleasent experience[4]. I know people dont recommend it, 
but is there any reason why restoring a mailbox from brick would cause more 
corruption? 
 
 
1. I 
use Veritas
2. I 
use Veritas
3. I 
still use Veritas
4. Do 
you really need to read this agian?
 
 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-03 Thread Lefkovics, William

Title: Message



>>I know people dont recommend it, but is there any reason why 
restoring a mailbox from brick would cause more corruption? 
 
Poorly 
written software, mostly.  A third party application is attempting to 
accomplish something the original application was not intended to do or 
be.  Brick level backups try to make a flat file out of a specific 
database.
 
William 
 
 
-Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 
7:28 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick 
Level Backups
Just 
as a followup, I typically do both full backup and brick level[1], time/space 
permitted. I have done so many restores of corrupted mailboxes[2] in 
enviornments and have never had an issue[3] up to now.  I have seen some 
weird things in large stores like 20+gig, and being able to not take the entire 
thing down has been a pleasent experience[4]. I know people dont recommend it, 
but is there any reason why restoring a mailbox from brick would cause more 
corruption? 
 
 
1. I 
use Veritas
2. I 
use Veritas
3. I 
still use Veritas
4. Do 
you really need to read this agian?
 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-03 Thread Drewski

Title: Message



sure.  when you restore a mailbox from brick-level 
backup, you break SIS.  That takes up MORE diskspace, which makes that much 
more space vulnerable to corruption.
 Drew (MOS)  KWAR2001 
website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on 
OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: 
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Austin, Texas, Dec. 8, 2000

  -Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 03, 
  2001 9:28 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Brick Level Backups
  Just 
  as a followup, I typically do both full backup and brick level[1], time/space 
  permitted. I have done so many restores of corrupted mailboxes[2] in 
  enviornments and have never had an issue[3] up to now.  I have seen some 
  weird things in large stores like 20+gig, and being able to not take the 
  entire thing down has been a pleasent experience[4]. I know people dont 
  recommend it, but is there any reason why restoring a mailbox from brick would 
  cause more corruption? 
   
   
  1. I 
  use Veritas
  2. I 
  use Veritas
  3. I 
  still use Veritas
  4. 
  Do you really need to read this agian?
   
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-03 Thread Benjamin Zachary

Title: Message



Yeah I 
saw what William was saying about single instance storage, but wasnt sure about 
that. Heres a good example though, 2 weeks ago some user 'lost' 12 days of data, 
had all mail up to like 8/2 and then nothing until 8/15. When I did a brick 
restore I found about 75 messages. I have no idea how that data got lost, he had 
items in his deleted items with the same date ranges. You guys think in that 
scenario Im better off doing an offline restore of a 4 gig database and redoing 
the entire thing from the night prior? or is the SIS, as referred, not a major 
problem in small-medium installs (1-5gig mdb)
 

  
  -Original Message-From: Drewski 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 
  10:35 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick 
  Level Backups
  sure.  when you restore a mailbox from 
  brick-level backup, you break SIS.  That takes up MORE diskspace, which 
  makes that much more space vulnerable to corruption.
   Drew (MOS)  KWAR2001 
  website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on 
  OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: 
  http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of 
  Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net  
  "The great thing about America is everybody should vote."— George W. Bush, 
  Austin, Texas, Dec. 8, 2000 
  
-Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 03, 
2001 9:28 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
    Brick Level Backups
Just as a followup, I typically do both full backup and brick 
level[1], time/space permitted. I have done so many restores of corrupted 
mailboxes[2] in enviornments and have never had an issue[3] up to now.  
I have seen some weird things in large stores like 20+gig, and being able to 
not take the entire thing down has been a pleasent experience[4]. I know 
people dont recommend it, but is there any reason why restoring a mailbox 
from brick would cause more corruption? 
 
 
1. 
I use Veritas
2. 
I use Veritas
3. 
I still use Veritas
4. 
Do you really need to read this agian?
 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-03 Thread Lefkovics, William

Title: Message



Depends on the SIS ratio (ie how do users use email).  
A company that sends out daily Excel cashflow spreadsheets to all 
employees or something like that, may have a high SIS 
ratio. 
 
William
 
-Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 
9:54 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick 
Level Backups
Yeah I 
saw what William was saying about single instance storage, but wasnt sure about 
that. Heres a good example though, 2 weeks ago some user 'lost' 12 days of data, 
had all mail up to like 8/2 and then nothing until 8/15. When I did a brick 
restore I found about 75 messages. I have no idea how that data got lost, he had 
items in his deleted items with the same date ranges. You guys think in that 
scenario Im better off doing an offline restore of a 4 gig database and redoing 
the entire thing from the night prior? or is the SIS, as referred, not a major 
problem in small-medium installs (1-5gig mdb)
 

  
  -Original Message-From: Drewski 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 
  10:35 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick 
  Level Backups
  sure.  when you restore a mailbox from 
  brick-level backup, you break SIS.  That takes up MORE diskspace, which 
  makes that much more space vulnerable to corruption.
   Drew (MOS)  KWAR2001 
  website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on 
  OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: 
  http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of 
  Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net  
  "The great thing about America is everybody should vote."- George W. Bush, 
  Austin, Texas, Dec. 8, 2000 
  
-Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 03, 
2001 9:28 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
    Brick Level Backups
Just as a followup, I typically do both full backup and brick 
level[1], time/space permitted. I have done so many restores of corrupted 
mailboxes[2] in enviornments and have never had an issue[3] up to now.  
I have seen some weird things in large stores like 20+gig, and being able to 
not take the entire thing down has been a pleasent experience[4]. I know 
people dont recommend it, but is there any reason why restoring a mailbox 
from brick would cause more corruption? 
 
 
1. 
I use Veritas
2. 
I use Veritas
3. 
I still use Veritas
4. 
Do you really need to read this agian?
 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-04 Thread Benjamin Zachary

Title: Message



Ahh, 
ok. Most of the places we consult for are small enough to not need an IT dept. 
thus why we are there, so my point of view is different from most. The site I 
was referring too actually has 30 exchange servers (one at each location) all 
connected via frame links, my local site that Im responsible for at this office 
is like 35 users with one site connector to the bridgehead, and a 4gig db and 
like 200meg pf db. I do manage one larger installation, that has like 26gb dbs 
so those I should probably be more considerate of. Thx guys for the 
tips

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 12:58 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: Brick Level Backups
  Depends on the SIS ratio (ie how do users use email).  
  A company that sends out daily Excel cashflow spreadsheets to all 
  employees or something like that, may have a high SIS 
  ratio. 
   
  William
   
  -Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 03, 
  2001 9:54 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Brick Level Backups
  Yeah 
  I saw what William was saying about single instance storage, but wasnt sure 
  about that. Heres a good example though, 2 weeks ago some user 'lost' 12 days 
  of data, had all mail up to like 8/2 and then nothing until 8/15. When I did a 
  brick restore I found about 75 messages. I have no idea how that data got 
  lost, he had items in his deleted items with the same date ranges. You guys 
  think in that scenario Im better off doing an offline restore of a 4 gig 
  database and redoing the entire thing from the night prior? or is the SIS, as 
  referred, not a major problem in small-medium installs (1-5gig 
  mdb)
   
  

-Original Message-From: Drewski 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 
2001 10:35 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
Brick Level Backups
sure.  when you restore a mailbox from 
brick-level backup, you break SIS.  That takes up MORE diskspace, which 
makes that much more space vulnerable to corruption.
 Drew (MOS)  
KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column 
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  -Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 03, 
  2001 9:28 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Brick Level Backups
  Just as a followup, I typically do both full backup and brick 
  level[1], time/space permitted. I have done so many restores of corrupted 
  mailboxes[2] in enviornments and have never had an issue[3] up to 
  now.  I have seen some weird things in large stores like 20+gig, and 
  being able to not take the entire thing down has been a pleasent 
  experience[4]. I know people dont recommend it, but is there any reason 
  why restoring a mailbox from brick would cause more corruption? 
  
   
   
  1. I use Veritas
  2. I use Veritas
  3. I still use Veritas
  4. Do you really need to read this agian?
   
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-04 Thread msharik

Title: Brick Level Backups




  


  -Original Message-From: Irfan GM 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 
  12:12 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Brick Level 
  Backups
   Hi 
   I'am in the process of implementing a backup 
  stategy using Arc Serve 2000 ,  Do I need to take  backup of individual mailboxes , I know backing up 
  individual mailboxes are bad , can anybody  tell me why they are bad ? . what are the  pro's and cons 
  about brick level backup. 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-12 Thread Lefkovics, William


BLB with a 31GB Info Store?  That's a lot of tape.


Here's my rant:
The Top Ten Reasons why William Doesn't recommend Brick-level backups:

10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT (*shudder*)
9. Brick-level backups should be done in conjunction with regular backups
therefor duplicating the process.
8. Brick-level backups don't clear the transaction logs
7. Brick-level restores (esp of the entire store) are VERY slow
6. Brick-level restores result in loss of Single Instance Storage
5. Brick-level backups do not properly maintain all of the data structures
in the store that you might need for a full restore (at least Computer
Associates product doesn't).
4. The alternative is so much easier and cleaner - deleted item retention.
Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a little user education and they
can do their own 'mailbox' restore.
3. Regular use of exmerge (to pst files for backup) for important mailboxes
is another alternative.
2. Section 3.11 at: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm says so
(ok, I don't do everything I'm told either).
1. The archives at the Exchange list at swynk.com are full of Brick-level
horror stories (or Ed Woodrick told me so ;o).

-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


Hello,

Can someone tell me why Brick Level backups are a bad idea?  I have been
doing brick level backups for a while and have not incurred into any
problems.  Am I heading for a disaster by continuing to do brick level
backups?  My users demand that mailbox be restored without the Exchange
server being down.  I do frequently get calls from users accidentally
deleting emails and then frantically calling me to restore them immediately.
What are my alternatives?  Email retention?  How much disk space would that
require on my exchange server to setup a email retention for 30 days?  
In order to skip brick level backups would I need a second exchange server
as a DR server?  If that is the case and I setup a local lan with the exact
same domain, service account, site and organization name would it be a piece
of cake to restore a full backup on this server and recover all the data on
tape without any problems?? 

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win 2k server
626 mailboxes
31GB Info store, about 100gb on server (Including emc drive array space)
1.5GB of ram.  Do you think I need more Ram?  I may...

At what point is it a good idea to begin to think about a 2nd exchange
server?  

Thanks,

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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-12 Thread Martin Blackstone

http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm

-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups

Hello,

Can someone tell me why Brick Level backups are a bad idea?  I have been
doing brick level backups for a while and have not incurred into any
problems.  Am I heading for a disaster by continuing to do brick level
backups?  My users demand that mailbox be restored without the Exchange
server being down.  I do frequently get calls from users accidentally
deleting emails and then frantically calling me to restore them
immediately. What are my alternatives?  Email retention?  How much disk
space would that require on my exchange server to setup a email
retention for 30 days?  
In order to skip brick level backups would I need a second exchange
server as a DR server?  If that is the case and I setup a local lan with
the exact same domain, service account, site and organization name would
it be a piece of cake to restore a full backup on this server and
recover all the data on tape without any problems?? 

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win 2k server
626 mailboxes
31GB Info store, about 100gb on server (Including emc drive array space)
1.5GB of ram.  Do you think I need more Ram?  I may...

At what point is it a good idea to begin to think about a 2nd exchange
server?  

Thanks,

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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

Re: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-12 Thread Patrick Smallwood



uh oh...

having just done a mailbox restore because a jr. admin didnt realize he was
deleting mailboxes along with NT ID's (should have disabled...) I can say
that I (we) have better things to do with our time than a restore for
something like an accidental delete (I know, this is obvious).  However,
the ability for a user to recover accidentally deleted email WITHOUT
contacting me is one of my favorite things about Exchange. A quick email to
everyone about how to do it, and you are set.  William said so!

ps- I had time to reply b/c I was able to walk the owner of a pub folder
through recovering his OWN accidentally deleted subfolder...gotta love
deleted item retention (to bad he didnt read his email about recovering the
folder before he called)

A piece of cake? You must really like cake, cause you say this would be
frequent...Did I mention I love Deleted Item Retention?

Pat



   

"Sethi, Ali"   

  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 cc:   

09/12/2001   Subject: Brick Level Backups  

03:25 PM   

Please respond 

to 

"MS-Exchange   

Admin Issues"  

   

   




Hello,

Can someone tell me why Brick Level backups are a bad idea?  I have been
doing brick level backups for a while and have not incurred into any
problems.  Am I heading for a disaster by continuing to do brick level
backups?  My users demand that mailbox be restored without the Exchange
server being down.  I do frequently get calls from users accidentally
deleting emails and then frantically calling me to restore them
immediately.
What are my alternatives?  Email retention?  How much disk space would that
require on my exchange server to setup a email retention for 30 days?
In order to skip brick level backups would I need a second exchange server
as a DR server?  If that is the case and I setup a local lan with the exact
same domain, service account, site and organization name would it be a
piece
of cake to restore a full backup on this server and recover all the data on
tape without any problems??

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win 2k server
626 mailboxes
31GB Info store, about 100gb on server (Including emc drive array space)
1.5GB of ram.  Do you think I need more Ram?  I may...

At what point is it a good idea to begin to think about a 2nd exchange
server?

Thanks,

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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm






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Re: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-12 Thread missy koslosky

This is why we don't let junior admins play with email.
- Original Message -
From: "Patrick Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Brick Level Backups

uh oh...

having just done a mailbox restore because a jr. admin didnt realize he was
deleting mailboxes along with NT ID's (should have disabled...) I can say
that I (we) have better things to do with our time than a restore for
something like an accidental delete (I know, this is obvious).  However,
the ability for a user to recover accidentally deleted email WITHOUT
contacting me is one of my favorite things about Exchange. A quick email to
everyone about how to do it, and you are set.  William said so!

ps- I had time to reply b/c I was able to walk the owner of a pub folder
through recovering his OWN accidentally deleted subfolder...gotta love
deleted item retention (to bad he didnt read his email about recovering the
folder before he called)

A piece of cake? You must really like cake, cause you say this would be
frequent...Did I mention I love Deleted Item Retention?

Pat

"Sethi, Ali"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 cc:
09/12/2001   Subject: Brick Level Backups
03:25 PM
Please respond
to
"MS-Exchange
Admin Issues"

Hello,

Can someone tell me why Brick Level backups are a bad idea?  I have been
doing brick level backups for a while and have not incurred into any
problems.  Am I heading for a disaster by continuing to do brick level
backups?  My users demand that mailbox be restored without the Exchange
server being down.  I do frequently get calls from users accidentally
deleting emails and then frantically calling me to restore them
immediately.
What are my alternatives?  Email retention?  How much disk space would that
require on my exchange server to setup a email retention for 30 days?
In order to skip brick level backups would I need a second exchange server
as a DR server?  If that is the case and I setup a local lan with the exact
same domain, service account, site and organization name would it be a
piece
of cake to restore a full backup on this server and recover all the data on
tape without any problems??

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win 2k server
626 mailboxes
31GB Info store, about 100gb on server (Including emc drive array space)
1.5GB of ram.  Do you think I need more Ram?  I may...

At what point is it a good idea to begin to think about a 2nd exchange
server?

Thanks,

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-13 Thread Paul . Rochford

Title: RE: Brick Level Backups





In exchange admin you can replicate the folder instances back to the home server. I think it's in the information store container under public folder instances, but I could be completely wrong, it's been a while;)


-Original Message-
From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 September 2001 04:00
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Brick Level Backups



This is why we don't let junior admins play with email.
- Original Message -
From: "Patrick Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Brick Level Backups




uh oh...


having just done a mailbox restore because a jr. admin didnt realize he was
deleting mailboxes along with NT ID's (should have disabled...) I can say
that I (we) have better things to do with our time than a restore for
something like an accidental delete (I know, this is obvious).  However,
the ability for a user to recover accidentally deleted email WITHOUT
contacting me is one of my favorite things about Exchange. A quick email to
everyone about how to do it, and you are set.  William said so!


ps- I had time to reply b/c I was able to walk the owner of a pub folder
through recovering his OWN accidentally deleted subfolder...gotta love
deleted item retention (to bad he didnt read his email about recovering the
folder before he called)


A piece of cake? You must really like cake, cause you say this would be
frequent...Did I mention I love Deleted Item Retention?


Pat





    "Sethi, Ali"
    
    exa.com>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 cc:
    09/12/2001   Subject: Brick Level Backups
    03:25 PM
    Please respond
    to
    "MS-Exchange
    Admin Issues"






Hello,


Can someone tell me why Brick Level backups are a bad idea?  I have been
doing brick level backups for a while and have not incurred into any
problems.  Am I heading for a disaster by continuing to do brick level
backups?  My users demand that mailbox be restored without the Exchange
server being down.  I do frequently get calls from users accidentally
deleting emails and then frantically calling me to restore them
immediately.
What are my alternatives?  Email retention?  How much disk space would that
require on my exchange server to setup a email retention for 30 days?
In order to skip brick level backups would I need a second exchange server
as a DR server?  If that is the case and I setup a local lan with the exact
same domain, service account, site and organization name would it be a
piece
of cake to restore a full backup on this server and recover all the data on
tape without any problems??


Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win 2k server
626 mailboxes
31GB Info store, about 100gb on server (Including emc drive array space)
1.5GB of ram.  Do you think I need more Ram?  I may...


At what point is it a good idea to begin to think about a 2nd exchange
server?


Thanks,


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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm







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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-13 Thread Paul . Rochford

Title: RE: Brick Level Backups



ok 
that mail was meant for Keefe!!;)

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 13 September 2001 
  09:32To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Brick 
  Level Backups
  In exchange admin you can replicate the folder instances back 
  to the home server. I think it's in the information store container under 
  public folder instances, but I could be completely wrong, it's been a 
  while;)
  -Original Message- From: missy 
  koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 13 September 2001 04:00 To: 
  MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Brick Level 
  Backups 
  This is why we don't let junior admins play with email. 
  - Original Message - From: 
  "Patrick Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
  "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 
  Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: 
  Brick Level Backups 
  uh oh... 
  having just done a mailbox restore because a jr. admin didnt 
  realize he was deleting mailboxes along with NT ID's 
  (should have disabled...) I can say that I (we) have 
  better things to do with our time than a restore for something like an accidental delete (I know, this is obvious).  
  However, the ability for a user to recover 
  accidentally deleted email WITHOUT contacting me is 
  one of my favorite things about Exchange. A quick email to everyone about how to do it, and you are set.  William said 
  so! 
  ps- I had time to reply b/c I was able to walk the owner of a 
  pub folder through recovering his OWN accidentally 
  deleted subfolder...gotta love deleted item retention 
  (to bad he didnt read his email about recovering the folder before he called) 
  A piece of cake? You must really like cake, cause you say this 
  would be frequent...Did I mention I love Deleted Item 
  Retention? 
  Pat 
      
  "Sethi, Ali"     
       
  exa.com> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
  cc:     
  09/12/2001   
  Subject: Brick Level Backups     
  03:25 PM     
  Please respond     
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  Hello, 
  Can someone tell me why Brick Level backups are a bad 
  idea?  I have been doing brick level backups for 
  a while and have not incurred into any problems.  
  Am I heading for a disaster by continuing to do brick level backups?  My users demand that mailbox be restored without the 
  Exchange server being down.  I do frequently get 
  calls from users accidentally deleting emails and then 
  frantically calling me to restore them immediately. What are my alternatives?  
  Email retention?  How much disk space would that require on my exchange server to setup a email retention for 30 
  days? In order to skip brick level backups would I 
  need a second exchange server as a DR server?  If 
  that is the case and I setup a local lan with the exact same domain, service account, site and organization name would it be 
  a piece of cake to restore a 
  full backup on this server and recover all the data on tape without any problems?? 
  Exchange 5.5 sp4 Win 2k server 
  626 mailboxes 31GB Info store, about 
  100gb on server (Including emc drive array space) 1.5GB of ram.  Do you think I need more Ram?  I may... 
  
  At what point is it a good idea to begin to think about a 2nd 
  exchange server? 
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RE: Brick Level Backups

2001-09-13 Thread Patrick Smallwood



that would make more sense!

Pat



   
 
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09/13/2001   cc:   
 
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ok that mail was meant for Keefe!!;)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 September 2001 09:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups



In exchange admin you can replicate the folder instances back to the home
server. I think it's in the information store container under public folder
instances, but I could be completely wrong, it's been a while;)


-Original Message-
From: missy koslosky [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: 13 September 2001 04:00
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Brick Level Backups


This is why we don't let junior admins play with email.
- Original Message -
From: "Patrick Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Brick Level Backups



uh oh...

having just done a mailbox restore because a jr. admin didnt realize he was

deleting mailboxes along with NT ID's (should have disabled...) I can say
that I (we) have better things to do with our time than a restore for
something like an accidental delete (I know, this is obvious).  However,
the ability for a user to recover accidentally deleted email WITHOUT
contacting me is one of my favorite things about Exchange. A quick email to

everyone about how to do it, and you are set.  William said so!

ps- I had time to reply b/c I was able to walk the owner of a pub folder
through recovering his OWN accidentally deleted subfolder...gotta love
deleted item retention (to bad he didnt read his email about recovering the

folder before he called)

A piece of cake? You must really like cake, cause you say this would be
frequent...Did I mention I love Deleted Item Retention?

Pat




"Sethi, Ali"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 cc:
09/12/2001   Subject: Brick Level Backups
03:25 PM
Please respond
to
"MS-Exchange
Admin Issues"





Hello,

Can someone tell me why Brick Level backups are a bad idea?  I have been
doing brick level backups for a while and have not incurred into any
problems.  Am I heading for a disaster by continuing to do brick level
backups?  My users demand that mailbox be restored without the Exchange
server being down.  I do frequently get calls from users accidentally
deleting emails and then frantically calling me to restore them
immediately.
What are my alternatives?  Email retention?  How much disk space would that

require on my exchange server to setup a email retention for 30 days?
In order to skip brick level backups would I need a second exchange server
as a DR server?  If that is the case and I setup a local lan with the exact

same domain, service account, site and organization name would it be a
piece
of cake to restore a full backup on this server and recover all the data on

tape without any problems??

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win 2k server
626 mailboxes
31GB Info store, about 100gb on server (Including emc drive array space)
1.5GB of ram.  Do you think I need more Ram?  I may...

At what point is it a good idea to begin to think about a 2nd exchange
server?

Thanks,

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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-23 Thread Clark, Steve


http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm


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-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your logs
and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to fail?  Just
curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my brick
level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook folder.  I
just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going to further
mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-23 Thread David N. Precht

Could not have said it better myself

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 18:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm

Steve Clark
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AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
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The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
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and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the
prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages
of doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the
work and your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to
just backup the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems
with your logs and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to
fail?  Just curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my
brick level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook
folder.  I just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going
to further mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Neil Raggett


The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 February 2002 23:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm


Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your logs
and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to fail?  Just
curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my brick
level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook folder.  I
just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going to further
mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Clark, Steve


I just did the recovery of a contact using the recover deleted items and it
worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to believe it is only going to
recover mail items, it actually does them all.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 February 2002 23:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm


Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your logs
and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to fail?  Just
curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my brick
level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook folder.  I
just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going to further
mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Neil Raggett

Was that from the deleted items folder or the Contacts folder?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

I just did the recovery of a contact using the recover deleted items and it
worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to believe it is only going to
recover mail items, it actually does them all.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 February 2002 23:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your logs
and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to fail?  Just
curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my brick
level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook folder.  I
just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going to further
mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Clark, Steve


Here's what I did:

Created the contact
Deleted the contact
Empty the trash bin
Recover delete items
Look for test contact

Wow, something that actually works in office XP

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Was that from the deleted items folder or the Contacts folder?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


I just did the recovery of a contact using the recover deleted items and it
worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to believe it is only going to
recover mail items, it actually does them all.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 February 2002 23:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm


Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your logs
and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to fail?  Just
curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my brick
level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook folder.  I
just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going to further
mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Neil Raggett

That way works, but not it was deleted by pressing the shift+delete keys or
after it has been moved to a pst file.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:44
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Here's what I did:

Created the contact
Deleted the contact
Empty the trash bin
Recover delete items
Look for test contact

Wow, something that actually works in office XP

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Was that from the deleted items folder or the Contacts folder?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

I just did the recovery of a contact using the recover deleted items and it
worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to believe it is only going to
recover mail items, it actually does them all.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 February 2002 23:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your logs
and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to fail?  Just
curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my brick
level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook folder.  I
just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going to further
mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Neil Raggett

Just found out on TechNet that it varies between outlook 98 and 2000, we
still use 98.

Neil
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:44
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Here's what I did:

Created the contact
Deleted the contact
Empty the trash bin
Recover delete items
Look for test contact

Wow, something that actually works in office XP

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Was that from the deleted items folder or the Contacts folder?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

I just did the recovery of a contact using the recover deleted items and it
worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to believe it is only going to
recover mail items, it actually does them all.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 February 2002 23:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your logs
and cause your Exchanges services like the IS service to fail?  Just
curious.

We have a client that insists on doing it this way.  Although in my brick
level scheme im only backing up the Inbox and no other Outlook folder.  I
just want to maek sure that by doing brick-level im not going to further
mess their exchange server.

Thanks,

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://w

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Donahue, Judy


We have a mixture of 98 and 2000, and while it doesn't work on those folders
in 98 (at least that's been my experience before I upgraded to OL2K) it
works on Outlook 2000 for tasks, calendar, contacts & journals.  Just tested
by shift+del on all of those folders and was able to recover.  It would make
sense that it would not work for psts, since they are not part of the
message store, therefore not subject to deleted items retention.  You might
want to consider going to OL2K yourself for this purpose ;-) .. jd

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Just found out on TechNet that it varies between outlook 98 and 2000, we
still use 98.

Neil
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:44
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Here's what I did:

Created the contact
Deleted the contact
Empty the trash bin
Recover delete items
Look for test contact

Wow, something that actually works in office XP

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Was that from the deleted items folder or the Contacts folder?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


I just did the recovery of a contact using the recover deleted items and it
worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to believe it is only going to
recover mail items, it actually does them all.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 February 2002 23:59
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm


Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hello,

Does anyone do brick level backups?  I know there are many disadvantages of
doing this especially since the fact that you are doing double the work and
your tape could run for several hours more than if you were to just backup
the IS and Dir but can a brick level backup cause problems with your

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-24 Thread Allen Crawford

But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is completely gone.  I think
that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.

 -Original Message-
From:   Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:    RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Here's what I did:

Created the contact
Deleted the contact
Empty the trash bin
Recover delete items
Look for test contact

Wow, something that actually works in office XP

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Was that from the deleted items folder or the Contacts folder?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

I just did the recovery of a contact using the recover deleted items and it
worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to believe it is only going to
recover mail items, it actually does them all.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

The only point I would make in addition to the below with regards to Deleted
Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work on Contacts, Notes,
Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal items).

I've done about 2 restores in about the last year, once for an accidental
deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of 'hard' deleted contacts.

He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion, I prefer using exmerge
to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it there for a month or 2)
along with a copy of the users profile and home dir and then delete the
account.  This way you have an exact copy of any data you delete and keeps
everything tidy.

I also don't advertise the availability of the recover deleted items option.
Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and the ones that do often
purge that as well.

Neil

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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread harshang shah


Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
> 
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
> 
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delete the
> account.  This way you have an exact copy of any
> data you delete and keeps
> everything tidy.
> 
> I also don't advertise the availability of the
> recover deleted items option.
> Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and
> the ones that do often
> purge that as well.
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> List Charter and FAQ at:
>
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
> 


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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread Clark, Steve


Post away!

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
> 
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
> 
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delete the
> account.  This way you have an exact copy of any
> data you delete and keeps
> everything tidy.
> 
> I also don't advertise the availability of the
> recover deleted items option.
> Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and
> the ones that do often
> purge that as well.
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> List Charter and FAQ at:
>
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
> 


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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread Rosenbaum, Fred


And is this registry entry for 5.5 or 2000, and on Client or Server?

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:30 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Post away!

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
> 
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
> 
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delete the
> account.  This way you have an exact copy of any
> data you delete and keeps
> everything tidy.
> 
> I also don't advertise the availability of the
> recover deleted items option.
> Generally the user doesn't need to

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread Sethi, Ali


Yes please I would like this info.

Thanks,

-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
> 
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
> 
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delete the
> account.  This way you have an exact copy of any
> data you delete and keeps
> everything tidy.
> 
> I also don't advertise the availability of the
> recover deleted items option.
> Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and
> the ones that do often
> purge that as well.
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> List Charter and FAQ at:
>
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
> 


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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread Martin Blackstone


http://www.exchangefaq.org/recovery/0006.php3

-Original Message-
From: Rosenbaum, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


And is this registry entry for 5.5 or 2000, and on Client or Server?

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:30 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Post away!

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
> 
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
> 
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delet

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread Neil Raggett


Checkout...

XADM: How to Recover Items That Do Not Touch the Deleted Items Folder
(Q178630)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q178630


Neil
-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 25 February 2002 17:30
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Yes please I would like this info.

Thanks,

-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
>
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
>
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
>
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
>
> Neil
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
>
>
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
>
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
>
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
>
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
>
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delete the
> account.  This way you have an exact copy of any
> data you delete and keeps
> everything tidy.
>
> I also don't advertise the availability of the
> recover deleted items option.
> Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and
> the ones that do often
> purge that as well.
>
> Neil
>
>
> List Charter and FAQ at:
>
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
>


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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread William Lefkovics


Search the KB for 'dumpsteralwayson'

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q246153

William


-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:30 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Yes please I would like this info.

Thanks,

-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
> 
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
> 
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delete the
> account.  This way you have an exact copy of any
> data you delete and keeps
> everything tidy.
> 
> I also don't advertise the availability of the
> recover deleted items option.
> Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and
> the ones that do often
> purge that as well.
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> List Charter and FAQ at:
>
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
> 


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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-25 Thread VDang

Title: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6





Count me in, too. Thanks in advance.


-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:30 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6



Yes please I would like this info.


Thanks,


-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Hi There !


Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .


Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)



--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From:     Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> items).
> 
> I've done about 2 restores in about the last year,
> once for an accidental
> deletion of a mailbox and another for a load of
> 'hard' deleted contacts.
> 
> He advises waiting a month before mailbox deletion,
> I prefer using exmerge
> to copy the mailbox to an archive area (We leave it
> there for a month or 2)
> along with a copy of the users profile and home dir
> and then delete the
> account.  This way you have an exact copy of any
> data you delete and keeps
> everything tidy.
> 
> I also don't advertise the availability of the
> recover deleted items option.
> Generally the user doesn't need to know about it and
> the ones that do often
> purge that as well.
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> List Charter and FAQ at:
>
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
> 



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RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-26 Thread Sonu Singh/MUM/IN/STTL




Mr Harshang 
kindly do the favour by posting the same . 

Aur hamara saab logo ka bhala kar re tu.






Sonu Singh
Customer Support Executive
Softcell Technologies Limited
Phone  +91-22-4606969 Ext. 248
Fax       +91-22-4224912

Maigott ist mit Ihnen (May God be with you)






"Rosenbaum, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25/02/2002 10:03 PM
Please respond to "MS-Exchange Admin Issues"

        
        To:        "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        cc:        
        Subject:        RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


And is this registry entry for 5.5 or 2000, and on Client or Server?

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:30 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6


Post away!

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
                 301-610-9584 voice
                 240-465-0323 Efax
 
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.


-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)


--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From:                  Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent:                 Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To:                 MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:                 RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
> 
> Wow, something that actually works in office XP
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>                  301-610-9584 voice
>                  240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> Was that from the deleted items folder or the
> Contacts folder?
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 February 2002 13:32
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> 
> I just did the recovery of a contact using the
> recover deleted items and it
> worked fine? Even though the GUI leads you to
> believe it is only going to
> recover mail items, it actually does them all.
> 
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>                  301-610-9584 voice
>                  240-465-0323 Efax
>  
> The data furnished in connection with this document
> is deemed by Clark
> Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and
> privileged information and
> shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of
> others without the prior
> written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Raggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
> 
> The only point I would make in addition to the below
> with regards to Deleted
> Item recovery on all folders is that it doesn't work
> on Contacts, Notes,
> Tasks and Colander items (Not sure about Journal
> item

RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

2002-02-26 Thread Patrick Smallwood

It looks like some are asking for info on this...If you do a search on
dumpsteralwayson, you will find the Q article. This gives the outlook
client the ability to recover deleted items from all folders, instead of
just deleted items folder.

Thank you,
Patrick

  "Sonu

  Singh/MUM/IN/STTLTo:   "MS-Exchange Admin Issues"

  " 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
         Subject:  RE: Brick Level backups using 
Veritas 8.6   

  02/26/2002 02:22 

  AM   

  Please respond to

  "MS-Exchange 

  Admin Issues"

Mr Harshang
kindly do the favour by posting the same .

Aur hamara saab logo ka bhala kar re tu.

Sonu Singh
Customer Support Executive
Softcell Technologies Limited
Phone  +91-22-4606969 Ext. 248
Fax   +91-22-4224912

Maigott ist mit Ihnen (May God be with you)

   "Rosenbaum, Fred"   
   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:"MS-Exchange Admin 
 Issues"   
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
   25/02/2002 10:03 PM 
   Please respond to cc:       
   "MS-Exchange Admin Issues"        Subject:RE: Brick Level   
 backups using Veritas 8.6 

And is this registry entry for 5.5 or 2000, and on Client or Server?

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:30 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Post away!

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark
Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information
and
shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior
written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:39 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6

Hi There !

Yes that right if you press shift and delete a mail
then it is a hard delete but there is a registry entry
which lets you recover mails that have been hard
deleted without the need to restore it from the backup
.If any body requires that entry then let me know and
belive me it works I have recovered hundreds of
mailboxes through it .

Harshang
(MCSE(NT4.0),CCNA,MCSE(Win2k)

--- Allen Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if you hold down SHIFT while deleting, it is
> completely gone.  I think
> that is what he meant by a "hard" delete.
>
>  -Original Message-
> From:  Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent:     Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:44 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Brick Level backups using Veritas 8.6
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> Created the contact
> Deleted the contact
> Empty the trash bin
> Recover delete items
> Look for test contact
>
>

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