Re: [expert] Configuring PINE -- Last step

[R_Yeo]

> total 440
> drwxrwxr-x2 root mail 1024 Oct 18 00:01 .
> drwxr-xr-x   18 root root 1024 Oct 15 17:07 ..
> -rw---1 root root   444947 Oct 18 00:01 root
> [sher@adsl-77-232-172 mail]$

Hi,
I may have missed the plot somewhere along the line; if so, blame it on
Netscape's threading of my mail, and thrash this.  But it looks like you
have run fetchmailconf as root.  A quick check would be to see if the
file .fetchmailrc is in your home dir or in root's.  Your mail has
apparently been downloaded by fetchmail, but kept in root's mailbox, and
PINE would not have permission to access that.

Tell us the outcome.


-- 
Ronald Yeo

[expert] Compiling under NFS filesystem

[gpt Guillermo Pastor Torrente]

I've been having some problems compiling at a NFS filesystem.
The fact is that I get different behaviour if compilation is performed locally
or at a NFS (SUN workstation served) volume.
At the NFS volume: For some objects compilation is successful. For others, the
file is truncated (is what 'nm object.o' says), while if compiled locally the
problem does not appear.

I have added the line:
localoptions='rsize=8192,wsize=8192' 
at
/etc/rc.d/init.d/autofs
and seems to be working better (but for a program ld crashes in the NFS volume).

Where do I should fix the problem?

Thank-you

Guillermo Pastor.

Re: [expert] 6.1: Enlightenment crash

[Steve Philp]

WH Bouterse wrote:
> 
> I'm glad?(I guess) that someone else is having this problem.
> With 6.1 and Enlightenment several problems have croped up for me.
> 
> The propoganda themes initialization took 20 MINUTES to originally run
> through their checks !!.(That is not a lie !!)
> 
> Half the themes or ones from previous E's produce Segfaults some to the
> point of locking up the whole system. I would have to go into console
> mode and
> #cd .enlightenment  and rm user_theme.cfg to get going again.
> 
> I noticed this at times with 6.0 but mainly with ill-configured themes.
> 
> Perhaps we should attempt to uninstall and reinstall the new "stable"
> Enlightenment release, (though its not an mdk version).
> 
> Any others have these probs? I had never many of the troubles with E in
> earlier versions that others would talk about, but this time...?? I am
> back to using xfce, blackbox and sawmill. Twenty minutes to load is BAD.
> Another friend with a 300 pentium II took 15 minutes !!!?? What gives??

My initial loading of Enlightenment didn't take nearly that long, but
that's probably due to dual processors on this machine.  :)

>From watching the load, it looks like it's trying to create thumbnails
of all of the installed desktop backgrounds.  Why those couldn't have
been "pre-computed" and included in the package is beyond me.

Truthfully, I'm still puzzled as to how all of the GNOME items ended up
on my system.  I'm absolutely, positively, 100% sure that I did not
select GNOME during installation.  I haven't taken the time to read
through the comps file on the CD to see what triggered it.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[expert] Configuring PINE -- Last step

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear Barry:


I've taken your advice (and that of others) and configured fetchmail.
would very much appreciate your help on the last step, which eludes me.

I followed up Jose Sanchez' hint about mail handlers, contacted the list
and am almost there. The last step eludes me. Please see Matt's letter
below and my response:

Subject: 
   Re: [expert] Configuring PINE
  Date: 
   Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:45:37 -0500 (CDT)
 From: 
   Matt Stegman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Reply-To: 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 
   Helios-E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> Jose Sanchez was very kind to explain to me that PINE uses mail very
> differently from Netscape, that is, that Netscape gets its mail directly
> from Sendmail while Pine has to have a a mail handler set up outside of
> pine so that mail will be dropped into my ~.mail directory, where PINE
> will find inbound messages upon startup.

Hmmm.  On my system (and several other UNIX systems I've shell accounts
on) Pine uses /var/spool/mail/username as the default mailbox.  It
creates
a ~/mail directory to keep sent messages and other personal mail folders
in, but the default inbox should be in /var/spool/mail.

> I am a non-techie but, after my experience last night (when I was stuck
> in the console for hours), I would very much like to use PINE so that I
> could always communicate with the list and with the outside world in
> case I am again, for any reason, unable to get into XWindows. I know how
> to navigate in PINE and can send mail but cannot receive it. How do I
> configure my Pop3 so that I can receive mail in PINE?

Get two RPMS- fetchmail and fetchmailconf.  Fetchmail is an excellent
program to get mail from POP and/or IMAP servers, and fetchmailconf is
an
excellent GUI config program for fetchmail.  

Fetchmail should be installed already, but fetchmailconf is not in the
default install.  Look first in Cooker for the package; if it's not
there,
I'd suggest looking at http://rpmfind.net - they keep an excellent
database of rpms.

Fetchmail will (by default) deposit mail it finds in
/var/spool/mail/username (which is also the default for Pine).  Thus,
very
little extra configuration is needed!

-Matt Stegman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Dear Matt:

Thanks so very much for writing. You may just be the point man to
finally help me score in Pine.

Someone suggested fetchmail and yes, I have fetchmail and fetchmailconf
on my Mandrake 6.1 

I put up a message yesterday on the Mandrake list concerning Pin.
Someone added another hint: fetchmail. It was Jose Sanchez who explained
to me the way Pine works and how you need a special mail handler to
configure it for receiving mail (but you can always send mail!).
I must be very close to success. I read man fetchmail, configured
fetchmailconf (novice mode), tested fetchmail and ran fetchmail and 
still I cannot receive any mail (I tested by sending myself a letter but
coulnd't get it in Pine). I checked and rechecked my mail server (same
as in netscape), pop3 (did an autoprobe, came up with pop3 and a "good"
message), my user name (sher07) and my password (same as in Netscape).
The last item was my name. I tried Ben, I tried sher and Benjamin Sher.
I imagine this item is not critical anyway. Or is it? At any rate, Pine
is still not receiving my mail.

Data follows below (including about /var/spool/mail)

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. But please remember that
I am a newbie.

Benjamin

Testing fetchmail

fetchmail: 5.0.3 querying mail.msy.bellsouth.net (protocol POP3) at Sun,
17 Oct 1999 21:42:43 -0500 (CDT)
fetchmail: POP3< +OK QPOP (version 2.52) at mail2.mco.bellsouth.net
starting.  
fetchmail: POP3> USER sher07
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for sher07.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
fetchmail: POP3< +OK sher07 has 3 messages (5417 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 3 5417
fetchmail: POP3> LAST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 is the last read message.
3 messages for sher07 at mail.msy.bellsouth.net (5417 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> LIST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 3 messages (5417 octets)
fetchmail: POP3< 1 2065
fetchmail: POP3< 2 726
fetchmail: POP3< 3 2626
fetchmail: POP3< .
fetchmail: POP3> TOP 1 
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2065 octets
reading message 1 of 3 (2065 octets)
fetchmail: SMTP< 220 adsl-77-232-172.msy.bellsouth.net ESMTP Postfix
(Beta-19990601)
fetchmail: SMTP> EHLO localhost
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-adsl-77-232-172.msy.bellsouth.net
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-PIPELINING
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-SIZE 1024
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-ETRN
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 8BITMIME
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BODY=8BITMIME SIZE=2065
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> RCPT TO:
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> DATA
fetchmail: SMTP< 354 End data with .
#fetchmail: SMTP>. (EOM)
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok: queued as E39FB391A
 flushed
fetchmail: POP3> DELE 1
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Message 1 has been d

Re: [expert] 6.1: Enlightenment crash

[Steve Philp]

Arandir wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Steve Philp wrote:
> > Anyone else have problems using some of the themes in the Enlightenment
> > configuration utility?
> >
> > I've effectively "killed" a user's use of X by choosing one of the
> > provided themes.  A removal of the offending configuration directories
> > will be required to get the user up and running again.
> >
> > Symptoms of the problem:  Enlightenment complains of a segfault "try"ing
> > the theme, and the segfault reoccurs after shutting down X and
> > attempting to relogon as that user.
> 
> First of all, don't use the AxTekr theme. It is broken in many ways. Second, if
> you noticed, the Enlightenment included with 6.1 is an unstable version. The
> stable version of .16 has just been released. I would suggest using that
> version instead.

I don't recall seeing the AxTekr theme, but I'll take your advice and
stay away from it!

I'll look into upgrading to the stable .16 release of Enlightenment.

I'd really hoped that Mandrake had done some testing of their release
prior to shipping.  Looks like some things got overlooked.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] 6.1: Enlightenment crash

[WH Bouterse]

I'm glad?(I guess) that someone else is having this problem.
With 6.1 and Enlightenment several problems have croped up for me.

The propoganda themes initialization took 20 MINUTES to originally run
through their checks !!.(That is not a lie !!)

Half the themes or ones from previous E's produce Segfaults some to the
point of locking up the whole system. I would have to go into console
mode and 
#cd .enlightenment  and rm user_theme.cfg to get going again. 

I noticed this at times with 6.0 but mainly with ill-configured themes.

Perhaps we should attempt to uninstall and reinstall the new "stable"
Enlightenment release, (though its not an mdk version).

Any others have these probs? I had never many of the troubles with E in
earlier versions that others would talk about, but this time...?? I am
back to using xfce, blackbox and sawmill. Twenty minutes to load is BAD.
Another friend with a 300 pentium II took 15 minutes !!!?? What gives??

WH Bouterse
Juneau, Alaska

[expert] RealPlayer URL -- SOLVED!

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

Thanks so much for your help and sympathy.

What was the big problem?

Well, I had installed the Linux 2.0/2.2 x.bin file instead of the
Red Hat rpm (which as you know had expired and was not available for a
while). After scratching my head for a long time, I finally decided to
take a look at RealPlayer's site again and download the latest RPM. It
was, this time, the latest Beta, not the dead Beta that had already
expired.

I am in heaven. Everything now works fine including my RFE URL. Don't
download the .bin file. It may work but not properly.

Thanks again.

Benjamin
-- 
Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

Re: [expert] 6.1: Enlightenment crash

[Arandir]

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Steve Philp wrote:
> Anyone else have problems using some of the themes in the Enlightenment
> configuration utility?  
> 
> I've effectively "killed" a user's use of X by choosing one of the
> provided themes.  A removal of the offending configuration directories
> will be required to get the user up and running again.
> 
> Symptoms of the problem:  Enlightenment complains of a segfault "try"ing
> the theme, and the segfault reoccurs after shutting down X and
> attempting to relogon as that user.

First of all, don't use the AxTekr theme. It is broken in many ways. Second, if
you noticed, the Enlightenment included with 6.1 is an unstable version. The
stable version of .16 has just been released. I would suggest using that
version instead.

 -- 
Arandir...
___

[expert] Can't access RealPlayer URL

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

I am a Russian translator and I listen to RFE (Radio Free Europe)
Russian Service all the time. For some reason, I have been having a
problem accessing it, as user and root, the past two days. No problem,
basically, with
other sites and I had no problem installing RealPlayerG2 for Linux. Yet
both RFE and several listeners confirm that there is nothing wrong with
the
transmission itself. What could be wrong, please?

Could you please check the following URL and let me know if you can
access it:
 
http://www.rferl.org/bd/ru/ru-realaudio.html
 
Click on Listen to the right.
 
I get a strange error message (Server Alert) telling me that either my
bandwidth isn't fast enough or my CPU is not powerful enough. I have
ADSL broadband and an AMd k6-2 400 Mhrtz compute with 128 megs of real
RAM. So that couldn't be the problem. I have no problem accessing other
sites, though I notice that they are slower than usual and often stop.

My RealPlayer G2 is located at:

/usr/local/RealPlayerG2/realplay

[sher@adsl-77-232-172 sher]$ whereis RealPlayerG2
RealPlayerG2: /usr/local/RealPlayerG2
[sher@adsl-77-232-172 sher]$ su -
Password:
[root@adsl-77-232-172 /root]# whereis RealPlayerG2
RealPlayerG2: /usr/local/RealPlayerG2
[root@adsl-77-232-172 /root]# cd /usr/local/RealPlayerG2
[root@adsl-77-232-172 RealPlayerG2]# ls
Codecs  Help Mailcap Plugins  audiosig.rm
Common  LICENSE  Mime.types  README   realplay
[root@adsl-77-232-172 RealPlayerG2]#


In Netscape, I made sure the suffixes (ra,ram,rm) were there as they
should be and the application was handled by:

/usr/local/RealPlayerG2/realplay %s

By the way, what's the difference between adding %s and adding %u (as
someone at www.searchlinux.com suggested)?

I have written to RealPlayer and RFE but I don't know if they can help.

I have also tried to change the transport to HTTP but that hasn't
worked, either. 

Being a newbie, I personally do not understand the issues involved.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated, to say the least.

Benjamin


Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

Re: [expert] Configuring PINE

[Barry Marler]

man fetchmail


/b

Barry Marler
Department of Medical Microbiology and Parasitology
University of Georgia
(706)542-0742
(706)542-0059 (fax)

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Benjamin Sher wrote:

> Dear friends:
> 
> Jose Sanchez was very kind to explain to me that PINE uses mail very
> differently from Netscape, that is, that Netscape gets its mail directly
> from Sendmail while Pine has to have a a mail handler set up outside of
> pine so that mail will be dropped into my ~.mail directory, where PINE
> will find inbound messages upon startup.
> 
> I am a non-techie but, after my experience last night (when I was stuck
> in the console for hours), I would very much like to use PINE so that I
> could always communicate with the list and with the outside world in
> case I am again, for any reason, unable to get into XWindows. I know how
> to navigate in PINE and can send mail but cannot receive it. How do I
> configure my Pop3 so that I can receive mail in PINE? 
> 
> Any of you use PINE? If so, could you please suggest how I could go
> about solving this problem?
> 
> Thank you so much.
> 
> Benjamin
> -- 
> Benjamin and Anna Sher
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sher's Russian Web
> http://www.websher.net
> 

[expert] UPDATE: 6.1: Enlightenment

[Steve Philp]

Just a bit more information about the Enlightenment crash in 6.1

I've gone back, deleted the test user and recreated them to ensure a
clean start.

Using the Enlightenment configuration tool, choose Themes then
Gtk+_for_Enlightenment.  Instant segfault and window manager crash that
requires the "mini Vulcan Pinch" of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.  Trying to logon
as that user again results in the previously reported segfault.

Is there an updated package available to fix this?  I've rerun
MandrakeUpdate, but found nothing that looked applicable.
-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[expert] 6.1: Enlightenment crash

[Steve Philp]

Anyone else have problems using some of the themes in the Enlightenment
configuration utility?  

I've effectively "killed" a user's use of X by choosing one of the
provided themes.  A removal of the offending configuration directories
will be required to get the user up and running again.

Symptoms of the problem:  Enlightenment complains of a segfault "try"ing
the theme, and the segfault reoccurs after shutting down X and
attempting to relogon as that user.

Known?  Fix?
-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[expert] Configuring PINE -- almost there!

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear Tom:

I must be very close to success. I read man fetchmail, configured
fetchmailconf (novice mode), tested fetchmail and ran fetchmail and
still I cannot receive any mail (I tested by sending myself a letter but
coulnd't get it in Pine). I checked and rechecked my mail server (same
as in netscape), pop3 (did an autoprobe, came up with pop3 and a "good"
message), my user name (sher07) and my password (same as in Netscape).
The last item was my name. I tried Ben, I tried sher. I image this item
is not critical anyway. Or is it? At any rate, Pine is still not
receiving my mail.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Benjamin

Testing fetchmail

fetchmail: 5.0.3 querying mail.msy.bellsouth.net (protocol POP3) at Sun,
17 Oct 1999 21:42:43 -0500 (CDT)
fetchmail: POP3< +OK QPOP (version 2.52) at mail2.mco.bellsouth.net
starting.  
fetchmail: POP3> USER sher07
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for sher07.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
fetchmail: POP3< +OK sher07 has 3 messages (5417 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 3 5417
fetchmail: POP3> LAST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 is the last read message.
3 messages for sher07 at mail.msy.bellsouth.net (5417 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> LIST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 3 messages (5417 octets)
fetchmail: POP3< 1 2065
fetchmail: POP3< 2 726
fetchmail: POP3< 3 2626
fetchmail: POP3< .
fetchmail: POP3> TOP 1 
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2065 octets
reading message 1 of 3 (2065 octets)
fetchmail: SMTP< 220 adsl-77-232-172.msy.bellsouth.net ESMTP Postfix
(Beta-19990601)
fetchmail: SMTP> EHLO localhost
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-adsl-77-232-172.msy.bellsouth.net
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-PIPELINING
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-SIZE 1024
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-ETRN
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 8BITMIME
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BODY=8BITMIME SIZE=2065
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> RCPT TO:
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> DATA
fetchmail: SMTP< 354 End data with .
#fetchmail: SMTP>. (EOM)
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok: queued as E39FB391A
 flushed
fetchmail: POP3> DELE 1
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Message 1 has been deleted.
fetchmail: POP3> TOP 2 
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 726 octets
reading message 2 of 3 (726 octets)
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=726
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> RCPT TO:
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> DATA
fetchmail: SMTP< 354 End data with .
#fetchmail: SMTP>. (EOM)
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok: queued as 4564A391B
 flushed
fetchmail: POP3> DELE 2
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Message 2 has been deleted.
fetchmail: POP3> TOP 3 
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2626 octets
reading message 3 of 3 (2626 octets)
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BODY=8BITMIME SIZE=2626
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> RCPT TO:
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok
fetchmail: SMTP> DATA
fetchmail: SMTP< 354 End data with .
#*.fetchmail: SMTP>. (EOM)
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 Ok: queued as 8815B391C
 flushed
fetchmail: POP3> DELE 3
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Message 3 has been deleted.
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Pop server at mail2.mco.bellsouth.net signing off.
fetchmail: SMTP> QUIT
fetchmail: SMTP< 221 Bye
fetchmail: normal termination, status 0
Done.

Running fetchmail

fetchmail: No mail for sher07 at mail.msy.bellsouth.net
Done.


-- 
Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

Re: [expert] Configuring PINE

[Matt Stegman]

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> Jose Sanchez was very kind to explain to me that PINE uses mail very
> differently from Netscape, that is, that Netscape gets its mail directly
> from Sendmail while Pine has to have a a mail handler set up outside of
> pine so that mail will be dropped into my ~.mail directory, where PINE
> will find inbound messages upon startup.

Hmmm.  On my system (and several other UNIX systems I've shell accounts
on) Pine uses /var/spool/mail/username as the default mailbox.  It creates
a ~/mail directory to keep sent messages and other personal mail folders
in, but the default inbox should be in /var/spool/mail.

> I am a non-techie but, after my experience last night (when I was stuck
> in the console for hours), I would very much like to use PINE so that I
> could always communicate with the list and with the outside world in
> case I am again, for any reason, unable to get into XWindows. I know how
> to navigate in PINE and can send mail but cannot receive it. How do I
> configure my Pop3 so that I can receive mail in PINE?

Get two RPMS- fetchmail and fetchmailconf.  Fetchmail is an excellent
program to get mail from POP and/or IMAP servers, and fetchmailconf is an
excellent GUI config program for fetchmail.  

Fetchmail should be installed already, but fetchmailconf is not in the
default install.  Look first in Cooker for the package; if it's not there,
I'd suggest looking at http://rpmfind.net - they keep an excellent
database of rpms.

Fetchmail will (by default) deposit mail it finds in
/var/spool/mail/username (which is also the default for Pine).  Thus, very
little extra configuration is needed!

-Matt Stegman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [expert] Helios & TNT2

[John Aldrich]

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, you wrote:

> 
> I have a question and I hope Pixel can read it... anyway I am sending
> another msg to him!
> 
> I just purchased a new card, is a Diamond Stealth III S540Xtreme
> it has 32M in video RAM and I am including all details here... if you
> know of any driver
> available for this card is deeply appreciated.
> 
> Diamond Stealth III Savage-4 AGP 4X 128bit engine, 3D S3TC Texture
> Compression
> 32M up to a resolition of 1920 X 1440 166Mhz Memory 160Mhz Engine Clock
> Hardware accelerator DVD full screen MPEG-2 and I Direct-3D and OpenGL
> 32bit resolution with Monitors up to 24"
> 
> and the card is detected by linux as: SVGA-PCI S3 chipset generic
> Video RAM 64k
> the clock is 25.18 chipset (0x8a22) Rev-2
> Memory@ 0xde00,0xa800
> 
IIRC, the new X supports the Savage 4 chipset.
John

Re: [expert] Configuring PINE

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear Tom:

Thanks a million.

Benjamin
-- 
Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

[expert] Myth 2 problems

[Payne Stanifer]

I just installed Myth 2 with the small install and it isn't working 
properly. It will start and i even get as far as the animation before the 
game itself begins, but then it shuts itself off and the terminal says 
something about memory protection. Can anyone help? if you need more info to 
help, email me. Thanks.
Payne

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Re: [expert] Configuring PINE

[Alex ZIJDENBOS]

I'd say you want to use fetchmail; it can periodically download your
email from a pop server. See http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/.

You should start by installing the fetchmail rpm (if it isn't
installed already), and then read the web/man pages. It essentially
comes down to executing fetchmail after creating a .fetchmailrc file
which specifies how to contact your pop server. Works very well...

-- Alex

On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 12:07:44AM +, Benjamin Sher wrote:
| Dear friends:
| 
| Jose Sanchez was very kind to explain to me that PINE uses mail very
| differently from Netscape, that is, that Netscape gets its mail directly
| from Sendmail while Pine has to have a a mail handler set up outside of
| pine so that mail will be dropped into my ~.mail directory, where PINE
| will find inbound messages upon startup.
| 
| I am a non-techie but, after my experience last night (when I was stuck
| in the console for hours), I would very much like to use PINE so that I
| could always communicate with the list and with the outside world in
| case I am again, for any reason, unable to get into XWindows. I know how
| to navigate in PINE and can send mail but cannot receive it. How do I
| configure my Pop3 so that I can receive mail in PINE? 
| 
| Any of you use PINE? If so, could you please suggest how I could go
| about solving this problem?
| 
| Thank you so much.
| 
| Benjamin
| -- 
| Benjamin and Anna Sher
| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sher's Russian Web
| http://www.websher.net

-- 
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Re: [expert] cron error

[Civileme]

Thanks for the error analysis Alex.

I have ONE 6.1 installation running, and for less than a week, so I haven't seen them
personally.  It is murder to get an update here.  117 breaks trying to DL Helios over
a 7 day period and then my vendor sends me SuSE 6.1 disk in the mail and we have to go
through the telephone adjustment procedure while I am here two geostationary
satbounces away from the nearest frame relay.

Well, when I read root's mail next week, I won't worry.

Civileme

Alex ZIJDENBOS wrote:

> As far as I can tell, these errors are (minor) mandrake packaging
> errors, and have nothing to do with file/disk corruption (as Civileme
> suggested). I also get the identical errors about tixwish and rec, and
> in addition I get one on rdump and rrestore. Looking into the errors I
> get after running the /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis.cron:
>
> 1) Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory
>
> "file `locate rec.1`"  gives:
>
> /usr/man/man1/rec.1: broken symbolic link to /var/tmp/sox-root//usr/man/man1/play.1
>
> 2) bzcat: ./tixwish.1.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
>
> It turns out that tixwish.1.bz2 has a bz2 extension, but is not
> compressed at all; it should probably be renamed to tixwish.1
>
> 3) bzcat: Can't open input file ./rdump.8.bz2: No such file or directory.
>bzcat: Can't open input file ./rrestore.8.bz2: No such file or directory.
>
> These are (dangling) symlinks into /usr/man/man8/{dump,restore}.8.
> However, the target files are compressed using bzip2, and thus have a
> .bz2 extension.
>
> I suspect that the errors you got for fetchmailconf and efence have
> similar causes. I verified the Mdk 6.1 rpms, and these errors are
> present in them. Somebody at Mandrake should fix the man pages in
> these rpms...
>
> -- Alex
>
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> |
> | > Anyone know what might be causing this error from cron.weekly? I havent
> | > made any changes to cron so I dont see why it would be failing.
> | >
> | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > Subject: Cron  run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
> | > X-Cron-Env: 
> | > X-Cron-Env: 
> | > X-Cron-Env: 
> | > X-Cron-Env: 
> | > X-Cron-Env: 
> | >
> | > bzcat: ./tixwish.1.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
> | > bzcat: Can't open input file ./fetchmailconf.1.bz2: No such file or directory.
> | > Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory
> | > bzcat: ./efence.3.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.

[expert] dynamic dns address ???

[Alex V Flinsch]

When connecting to my workplace dialup under win98, I do not need to specify an
ip address for the dns server, somehow win98 is able to figure it out on it's
own. Is there anyway I can configure this type of connection under Linux? I am
able to connect, and am able to ping and connect to the machines that I need
access to by ip address, but cannot connect via a human name. 

Also are there any other 3270 emulators for linux other than x3270? x3270 works
ok, but I would really like on that has some scripting capabilities.

 -- 
Alex

Re: [expert] cron error

[Alex V Flinsch]

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, you wrote:
> Anyone know what might be causing this error from cron.weekly? I havent
> made any changes to cron so I dont see why it would be failing.

<>

> bzcat: ./tixwish.1.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
> bzcat: Can't open input file ./fetchmailconf.1.bz2: No such file or directory.
> Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory
> bzcat: ./efence.3.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.

My guess would be a weekly run of makewhatis. I see these type of messges
fairly often also.


-- 
Alex

[expert] Restoring xfs

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

[Using Mandrake 6.1}

I tried to add the Windows 3.1 ttf fonts to mandake's ttfonts directory.
Even after removing w and x permissions (by using chmod) so that the Win
3.1 fonts all had the exact same permission as the Mandrake fonts did),
it just didn't work.

I am trying to restore everything back to normal and am having problems.

Well, now I have a new problem. See the data below:

[root@adsl-77-232-172 rpm]# rpm -e ttfonts
removal of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttfonts/fonts.dir failed: No such
file or directory
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.82086: line 3:   834 Segmentation fault  (core
dumped) /usr/sbin/chkfontpath -q -r /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttfonts
execution of script failed
[root@adsl-77-232-172 rpm]#   
[root@adsl-77-232-172 rpm]# rpm -Uvh ttfonts-1.3-3mdk.i586.rpm
ttfonts
##
[root@adsl-77-232-172 rpm]#   
[root@adsl-77-232-172 rpm]# cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttfonts
[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]# ls
Adventure.ttfbazaroni.ttfdavis.ttf  fadgod.ttfikart.ttf
Bluehigb.ttf beast wars.ttf  demon.ttf  failed.ttfikarv.ttf
Bluehigc.ttf betadance.ttf   densmore.ttf   fakerece.ttf 
independ.ttf
Bluehigh.ttf betsy.ttf   dienasty.ttf   flubber.ttf   indigo.ttf
CaptainPodd.ttf  binary.ttf  dirtydoz.ttf   fontrstc.ttf  kenyan.ttf
a_d_mono.ttf brandnew.ttfdistortia.ttf  fonts.dir
kingrichard.ttf
actionis.ttf capacitor.ttf   edgewater.ttf  fudd.ttf 
larabief.ttf
babelfish.ttfcontourg.ttfelectroh.ttf   goldengi.ttf
balconya.ttf creature.ttfeli5.0-.ttfhydrogen.ttf
baltar.ttf   crystalr.ttfembargo2.ttf   ikarrg.ttf
[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]# 

Notice please that half the fonts (after larabief.ttf) are missing.

[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart
Restarting X Font Server.  [FAILED]
[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]#   

[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]# ttmkfdir -o fonts.dir
unknown font foundry code
unknown font foundry code FROG
font ./dienasty.ttf: unknown usWeightClass 1000
unknown font foundry code SFT
font ./ikarv.ttf: unknown usWeightClass 22275
[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]#   

[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]# rpm -e ttfonts
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.88482: line 3:   855 Segmentation fault  (core
dumped) /usr/sbin/chkfontpath -q -r /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttfonts
execution of script failed
[root@adsl-77-232-172 ttfonts]# 

What's going on, please. How can I just restore Mandrake's own ttfonts
and restart xfs correctly
and forget the whole thing? 

Thanks so much.

Benjamin
-- 
Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

Re: [expert] SQL Frontends

[John Aldrich]

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, you wrote:
> G'day,
> 
> I'm looking for a frontend to create/maintain SQL databases, I've looked at a
> few like Gaby, Xmysql, Kmysql, but none meet my needs of Trained Monkey user
> interface.
> 
> Any ideas???
> 
I understand that Microsoft has a nice SQL front-end... their backend
is crap, but the front-end is pretty good. :-) (I'll say one thing
for Mickeysoft -- they make pretty software )
John

RE: [expert] Configuring PINE

[Thomas J. Hamman]

On 18-Oct-99 Benjamin Sher wrote:
> I am a non-techie but, after my experience last night (when I was stuck
> in the console for hours), I would very much like to use PINE so that I
> could always communicate with the list and with the outside world in
> case I am again, for any reason, unable to get into XWindows. I know how
> to navigate in PINE and can send mail but cannot receive it. How do I
> configure my Pop3 so that I can receive mail in PINE? 

The program you need to use is fetchmail (which you probably already have
installed).  Type 'man fetchmail' at the command line to get instructions on
how to set it up and use it.

-Tom

[expert] Configuring PINE

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

Jose Sanchez was very kind to explain to me that PINE uses mail very
differently from Netscape, that is, that Netscape gets its mail directly
from Sendmail while Pine has to have a a mail handler set up outside of
pine so that mail will be dropped into my ~.mail directory, where PINE
will find inbound messages upon startup.

I am a non-techie but, after my experience last night (when I was stuck
in the console for hours), I would very much like to use PINE so that I
could always communicate with the list and with the outside world in
case I am again, for any reason, unable to get into XWindows. I know how
to navigate in PINE and can send mail but cannot receive it. How do I
configure my Pop3 so that I can receive mail in PINE? 

Any of you use PINE? If so, could you please suggest how I could go
about solving this problem?

Thank you so much.

Benjamin
-- 
Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

Re: [expert] cron error

[Alex ZIJDENBOS]

As far as I can tell, these errors are (minor) mandrake packaging
errors, and have nothing to do with file/disk corruption (as Civileme
suggested). I also get the identical errors about tixwish and rec, and
in addition I get one on rdump and rrestore. Looking into the errors I
get after running the /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis.cron:

1) Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory

"file `locate rec.1`"  gives:

/usr/man/man1/rec.1: broken symbolic link to /var/tmp/sox-root//usr/man/man1/play.1

2) bzcat: ./tixwish.1.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.

It turns out that tixwish.1.bz2 has a bz2 extension, but is not
compressed at all; it should probably be renamed to tixwish.1

3) bzcat: Can't open input file ./rdump.8.bz2: No such file or directory.
   bzcat: Can't open input file ./rrestore.8.bz2: No such file or directory. 

These are (dangling) symlinks into /usr/man/man8/{dump,restore}.8.
However, the target files are compressed using bzip2, and thus have a
.bz2 extension.

I suspect that the errors you got for fetchmailconf and efence have
similar causes. I verified the Mdk 6.1 rpms, and these errors are
present in them. Somebody at Mandrake should fix the man pages in
these rpms...

-- Alex

| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| > Anyone know what might be causing this error from cron.weekly? I havent
| > made any changes to cron so I dont see why it would be failing.
| >
| > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Subject: Cron  run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
| > X-Cron-Env: 
| > X-Cron-Env: 
| > X-Cron-Env: 
| > X-Cron-Env: 
| > X-Cron-Env: 
| >
| > bzcat: ./tixwish.1.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
| > bzcat: Can't open input file ./fetchmailconf.1.bz2: No such file or directory.
| > Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory
| > bzcat: ./efence.3.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.

[expert] Kernel 2.2.13 xconfig

[Steve Thornhill]

I've just installed linux-mandrake 6.1 and I need to recomplile the
kernel. However, when I run make xconfig  as root I get the folowing error:

cc1: Invalid option `preferred-stack-boundary=2'!
make[1]: *** [tkparse.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.13/scripts'
make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 

what do I need to do to fix this
thanks 


Steve Thornhill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [expert] PPP - Dynamic IP Address

[Alain Terriault]

you can modify this for your ppp port, save in it under /etc/cron.daily
and make it executable ...

#!/bin/sh  
IP=`/sbin/ifconfig | /bin/grep -3 eth0 | grep addr:| /usr/bin/cut -c
21-33`  
echo "http://$IP" | mail -s IP [EMAIL PROTECTED]

.. or take time to write it in perl ;-)

Even better you can modify it so it will store the ip in a file and just
email it when "ifconfig" returns a different IP. 
there is no need to use perl ..

alain

Sridhar G wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've configured my PPP to autodial when connection is lost, using linuxconf
> .
> 
> First I'd like to know where the PPP configuration is stored by linuxconf.
> 
> Next, whenever ppp autodials and receives my dynamic IP address I want to
> capture the dynamic IP address and use sendmail to send an email with the
> new IP address to my public email account.
> 
> How can I achive this. DO I have to write any perl scripts?
> 
> Thanks
> Sridhar

Re: [expert] cron error

[Civileme]

I think cron weekly is calling something where the data files to be expanded are
corrupt.  ElectricFence (efence) is a debugger, and tixwish would be associated
with tcl/tk.  Best thing to do is look in /etc/cron.weekly and see what things
are executing.

I have 0anacron to update timestamps and one with the single command line

makewhatis -w

It is designed to update the manual pages, mostly, and it does make calls to cat,
zcat, and bzcat.

If you are getting corrupt files and have not had power-outs or improper
shutdowns, it is tiime to check the disk.  The return spring on the voice coil
can change characteristics with time and make sectors tracks and cylinders bad,
because the heads no longer position to the same spot.  It is unusual, but it can
happen, and the eventual solution is either disk replacement or low-level format.

Anyway, check the disk with

e2fsck -c /dev/hdax

where x is the appropriate number for each linux filesystem, e.g.

e2fsck -c /dev/hda5

If this in itself does not cure the problem, reload those files reported corrupt
and perhaps bzcat as well.  Simple way it to use your install disk and choose
"Upgrade" then individual packages.  It is also possible to do the same job with
rpm or kpackage.

Civileme

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Anyone know what might be causing this error from cron.weekly? I havent
> made any changes to cron so I dont see why it would be failing.
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cron  run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
> X-Cron-Env: 
> X-Cron-Env: 
> X-Cron-Env: 
> X-Cron-Env: 
> X-Cron-Env: 
>
> bzcat: ./tixwish.1.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
> bzcat: Can't open input file ./fetchmailconf.1.bz2: No such file or directory.
> Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory
> bzcat: ./efence.3.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.

Re: [expert] PPP - Dynamic IP Address

[Civileme]

 This is a newbie question?

Well, I did that and my ISP phoned me to tell me "'Unlimited' doesn't mean
24/7. Get a digital connection at $510/month plus a one time $1200 internet
initiation fee and you have a static IP and a 56K digital connection."

I have a bash script at work that does almost what you ask.  I will send it
privately tomorrow.  It uses sed and lynx, mostly, and sets up a receiving IP
for MX records with a dyndns service, and also keps the modem up only 10
minutes out of each hour of non-office hours.

The basic detail, and a nice starting script is also available at
http://www.yi.org.

Civileme

Sridhar G wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've configured my PPP to autodial when connection is lost, using linuxconf
> .
>
> First I'd like to know where the PPP configuration is stored by linuxconf.
>
> Next, whenever ppp autodials and receives my dynamic IP address I want to
> capture the dynamic IP address and use sendmail to send an email with the
> new IP address to my public email account.
>
> How can I achive this. DO I have to write any perl scripts?
>
> Thanks
> Sridhar

Re: [expert] Helios & TNT2

[Sergio Korlowsky]

Marc Hudson wrote:

> OK, I've got a Diamond V770, and Mandrake 6.1.
> I got it working just fine with the included
> SVGA driver for 2D, but no 3D. So I tried
> getting the drivers off nvidia.com, and installed
> them, and they work... kinda :(
>
> I noticed that the nvidia drivers were 3.3.3.1
> and the Helios drivers were 3.3.5. Now I know
> that I probably don't need to replace my
> XF86_SVGA, I just need the glx.so for 3.3.5
> to get everything working OK.
>
> I have a slow connection, so d/l'ing the
> XFree86 source would be a pain.
>
> So I was wondering, has anybody out there
> compiled the nvidia glx module against
> 3.3.5, and if so could I have a copy.
>
> Marc

I have a question and I hope Pixel can read it... anyway I am sending
another msg to him!

I just purchased a new card, is a Diamond Stealth III S540Xtreme
it has 32M in video RAM and I am including all details here... if you
know of any driver
available for this card is deeply appreciated.

Diamond Stealth III Savage-4 AGP 4X 128bit engine, 3D S3TC Texture
Compression
32M up to a resolition of 1920 X 1440 166Mhz Memory 160Mhz Engine Clock
Hardware accelerator DVD full screen MPEG-2 and I Direct-3D and OpenGL
32bit resolution with Monitors up to 24"

and the card is detected by linux as: SVGA-PCI S3 chipset generic
Video RAM 64k
the clock is 25.18 chipset (0x8a22) Rev-2
Memory@ 0xde00,0xa800

Thnks

Sergio Korlowsky

cc: Pixel, By the way Pixel... I screw my HDD again with panoramix,
stating from 0 again!
they were reported two unalocated partition by diskdrake at instalation
time, I thout about
recovering this space and I assinged them mount points... what a BIG
huge mistake!
then it said I had to reboot to activate the new configuration so it
could continue installing,
and after booting it reads "the disk was unreadable" 'blanking
unreadable partitions bla bla'
and everything was lost! urrrggg

so I bought a new HDD a 17Gigs to play with Panoramix' without messing
my normal
setup ;-)

Sergio Korlowsky

[expert] cron error

[tom950]

Anyone know what might be causing this error from cron.weekly? I havent
made any changes to cron so I dont see why it would be failing.

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron  run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 

bzcat: ./tixwish.1.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
bzcat: Can't open input file ./fetchmailconf.1.bz2: No such file or directory.
Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory
bzcat: ./efence.3.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.

[expert] PPP - Dynamic IP Address

[Sridhar G]

Hi,

I've configured my PPP to autodial when connection is lost, using linuxconf
.

First I'd like to know where the PPP configuration is stored by linuxconf.

Next, whenever ppp autodials and receives my dynamic IP address I want to
capture the dynamic IP address and use sendmail to send an email with the
new IP address to my public email account.

How can I achive this. DO I have to write any perl scripts?

Thanks
Sridhar

Re: [expert] SQL Frontends

[Mark Berry]

Try PHPMyAdmin

It is a PHP based mysql interface ...  I -love- it.

You can find it at freshmeat.



.mark


Michael Doyle wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I'm looking for a frontend to create/maintain SQL databases, I've looked at a
> few like Gaby, Xmysql, Kmysql, but none meet my needs of Trained Monkey user
> interface.
>
> Any ideas???
>
>  --
> Michael Doyle
> Adelaide, South Australia
> ICQ # 2635762
> http://landofoz.apana.org.au

[expert] multicast and mbone?

[WH Bouterse]

Has anyone successfully setup their kernel and system to use the
multcasting protocol and climb on the mbone highway?

I was able to see and hear the osos-conf earlier this month using the
multikit program for non-compiled kernels. via a tunnel from BNL-site
but now that I have recompiled my 2.2.13-7mdk kernel and the tunnel I
used is closed down, I have had no luck accessing sites as I could
earlier.

If a detailed explaination is needed please email me and I will then
share the results with the "List" in a summary manner.

Thanks 

William Bouterse
Juneau, Alaska

Re: [expert] licq-0.70-1mdk.i586.rpm

[Fabien Deschodt]

I think you should look at the Mailing list archive because it was answered
recently.

>  I was attempting to upgrade my licq to licq-0.70-1mdk and recieve an
> error: failed dependancies:
> libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3
> I would like to try the new licq version but have been unable to find this
> library.
You can find it in Cooker, as well as all other dependancies for licq.

> Could anyone please assist me in finding this library and also let me
> know if installing this libstdc will cause any dep problems or if I should
> install it as a shared library.
It may cause deps problems, because some files of the old libstdc++ can be
missing. If so, install the new one with --replace-files option without
erasing the old one.

Fabien Deschodt

Re: [expert] fix for missing pixmaps in KFM

[John Aldrich]

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, you wrote:
> I ran into a similar problem when installing WebMaker under
> Mandrake6.0...in previous versions, all shared pixmaps etc. were located
> in the /opt/share directory structure.  Now everything is in /usr/share.
> I "solved" my problem by copying /opt/share to /usr/share - maybe that's
> what's needed here?
> 
Or, put a symbolic link between the two? :-)
John

Re: [expert] cdrw drive

[John Aldrich]

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, you wrote:
> well. I got a cdrw... an AOpen cdrw-622 and I haven't been able to set it
> up  to run in linux, every time I try to connect to this site that is supposed
> to  have the information it's down or un-reachable... ;-(
> 
I *think* the trick is to put "append='ide-scsi'" in your lilo.conf
and re-run /sbin/lilo.
> also I lost all the information on how to
> setup my zip drive, last time I > had
> to reformat the whole hdd.
> 
I'd say go to the mailing list archives for this list --
http://mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/ 
Also, check out
http://mail-archive.com/newbie@linux-mandrake.com/

You'll likely find the answer in the "newbie" archive as that's more
of a "newbie" question. :-)
>
> I went shoping today, I got a 32mg Video card, I hope linux can be
>  able to 'detect'... It's a VC Diamond stealth S3 Savage-4 32M
>
According to the info at www.xfree86.org, it's supported under
XF86-SVGA. Check it out: http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.5/S3V3.html#7
>
>  being there, at the distributors place I pick up a hdd, a maxtor
> hdmx17gb (17 Gigs) EIDE and a FD-LS120 Panasonic 1.44 - 120M floppy.
> 
> I remember seeing some talk in the list not to long ago.
> 
> Anything I should be aware of about these items?
> 
> any information is most welcome!
> 
Hmmthe hard drive (as long as your system can see it) shouldn't
be a problem. I'd suggest, if you're planning on making that your
boot drive, that you put a /boot directory at the head of the drive.
Other than that, nothing much to do... Linux should see it just fine!
:-)
LS-120 is an IDE device, so you'll have to treat it much the same way
you do an IDE cdrom. Just define it as a /dev/hdx drive (iirc, no
partition #) and you should be fine! :-)
John

Re: [expert] VCs and KDE

[John Aldrich]

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, you wrote:
> I recently tried to switch to a different virtual console while I was in
> kde and wasn't able to (alt+f1 brings up kpanel, alt+f2 runs a command,
> etc... alt+f4 will even close your current app).
> 
> Is there another way to do this? I'm aware that I can easily bring up
> another terminal windows but x still isn't quite as stable as the rest of
> linux and it would sometimes be nice to be able to switch vcs in order to
> kill it...
> 
Control+alt+F1-F7. You need to add the Control key. When you're in X,
the alt-key isn't enough. :-)
John