[expert] SO51 -- Backup on Save -- SOLVED!
Dear Alan: OK, subject closed. That's exactly what I get, too. Each .bak copy is always one generation behind the .sdw file and I only need to use Save to save. No need for Save As. When I delete the extra material (which I added by stages, i.e. by "generations") from .sdw, the .bak will not delete it (since it has added it cumulatively, one generation at a time) until I modify .sdw again, even if only by typing a word and then deleting it. That modification means "one generation" to SO, and .bak is now identical to .sdw (i.e. both files end the way they began, with the original material that I first typed on it when I first gave it a name). But the process must, naturally, first begin with a name, and you don't see the .bak file until AFTER the first modification, i.e. until the second generation. In WP8 as in MSWord, you see the backup with each generation, including after the very first one. That's the difference that has driven me batty. At last, this madness is over. Thanks a million, Alan for verifying this. And my thanks to Axalon and everyone else who has been kind enough to respond. Benjamin -- Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
RE: [expert] mailing list software?
> And there are plenty of tools out there (ie: Majorcool) which will automate > the process of adding/removing new lists, etc. Yes, I've heard of (and experimented with) Majorcool, but what other ones are there? One != plenty. --Derek
Re: [expert] Kernel modules not modular kernels?
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Steve Philp wrote: > Jason Antonacci wrote: > > > > Is there any linux os flavor (or any os period) that allows the loading of >multiple kernels? I remember a professor during an SMP discussion stating that a >"low level SMP kernel" can be used to load "higher OS kernels" onto individual >processors. This type system would allow os redundancy on a single peice of hardware >as well as serices. Another plus would be testing and evaluation on an identical >platform. Some of my associates have suggested Java, but I reject that outright >because it is not an OS. > > > > The big one that comes to mind is VMWare. It will allow you to run a > wide variety of operating systems as user processes. > > There is a user-space linux kernel floating around that will allow you > to run more "linux machines" as processes of the real, physical machine. If anyone knows a URL, it'd be much (s**t, i've forgotten howto spell, must still be to early) appreciated (yay ispell) :-) > Beyond that, you're treading into the territory of mainframe > monsters... I do remember reading that IBM has ported Linux as a > "virtual machine" to their 390 series and is now working on porting it > to act as the "main" operating system of the machine. > > -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Kernel modules not modular kernels?
Jason Antonacci wrote: > Is there any linux os flavor (or any os period) that allows the loading of multiple >> kernels? I remember a professor during an SMP discussion stating that a "low level >SMP > kernel" can be used to load "higher OS kernels" onto individual processors. >This type > system would allow os redundancy on a single peice of hardware as well as >serices. Another > plus would be testing and evaluation on an identical platform. >Some of my associates have > suggested Java, but I reject that outright because it is >not an OS. There are at least two different ways of doing this: 1. use VMware. This is commercial, but will definitely allow you to run as many kernels as you want (and other OS's such as Windows or FreeBSD), all at the same time (but better have enough memory for each !!!) 2. use a micro-kernel, such as e.g. the Mach kernel that was initially tuned for the Linux kernel on PPC (IBM or Apple) machines. AFAIK you can find that beast at Carnegie-Mellon (.cmu.edu) but I don't know exactly where. You can definitely load several linux kernels on top of the micro-kernel (although with only one keyboard, communication may become awkward ...) Although it is not much advertised, a version exists (and runs okay) on Intel x86. The resource requirements are much less than VMware, on the other hand performance is not so good ... -- Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED] 74 Annemasse France old Linux fan
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
I have to agree to this one: Mailman is very easy to install, very configurable, has a web based administration interface, archive possibilities, e-mail administration and is FAST. Patrick - Original Message - From: "Ronald J. Yacketta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [expert] mailing list software? > John Aldrich wrote: > > > > Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably > > perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? My > > boss gave me the job of coming up with a package to do > > that. > > Also keep in mind that it will probably be remotely > > installed, configured and managed via ssh, so the easier > > the better! :-) > > John > check out mailman it has a www interface and a built in archive (all www > based) >
Re: [expert] Web site (doubleblink)
- Original Message - From: Alan Shoemaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Web site (doubleblink) > Hoythow do I get on the MDB mailing list? :-) > > Alan > Sorry, that particular distro has a few, um, copyright violations, so it's not for general distribution. If there is any significant interest, I could clean it up. E-mail me directly. Hoyt
RE: [expert] Setting up linux box to connect to MS network
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Vanco, Donald wrote: - -> And if the Exchange is anywhere near to being a standard -> mail-server, than you should be able to use just about any -> mail-program -> which supports POP3 and/or IMAP. I.e. just about any mail -> program at all. -> -> To name few: pine, elm, kmail, Netscape, balsa... - It has been my (sad) experience that none of these clients "play -nice" with Exchange as the server. There are different capabilities for POP -and IMAP (purely from the Exchange side) that make integration a real pain. - If anyone has found a client that plays well with Exchange I'd love -to hear your comments. Netscape is about the best so far - other than the -fact that I can't send anything... ;) My employer recently crammed Exchange down my throat. I now use fetchmail to snarf the mail from the Exchange server (using IMAP instead of POP) and Kmail to read it and sort it into different mailboxes. I run imapd so my system inbox and the Kmail boxes are accessible from home using TkRat. I send my mail using sendmail but setting up Kmail to use the Exchange server as an SMTP server should work. At least it did in my tests. -- Stephen Carville A well educated citizenry, being essential to the maintenance of a free society, the right of the people, to keep and read books shall not be infringed.
RE: [expert] mailing list software?
> I would disagree about the "no maintenance". Yes, granted, if you're constantly adding new lists or tweaking the configuration then yes, there is work to do. But once it's all in place and you have no more changes to make, Majordomo requires no maintenance to keep running. And there are plenty of tools out there (ie: Majorcool) which will automate the process of adding/removing new lists, etc. --- Ian Douglas, Wild Web Services http://www.wildwebservices.com ph: 613-253-3147 fx: 613-253-1029 pager: http://wildwebservices.com/pager.html
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
Johnthat is the fun of all this, learning new things! ;-) Alan John Aldrich wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > > Johnthat's not what I said, but you are correct. There is no file > > called rescue.img on my Mdk 6.0 CD or either of my Mdk 6.1 CD's. > > However on the Mdk 6.0 CD there is a sub called /images/rescue and in it > > are the three "Tom's root boot" files (they are not named rescue.img). > > > Well, I'll be darned..you're right. I coulda sworn that there was a > rescue.img. :-) I just learned something new then. :-) > FWIW, I've never had any problem with the RedHat rescue disk.. and > I've used it several times. :-) > One of the more recent times was to boot up a system I didn't know > the root password on to add a user and change the root password... > and I did it the RIGHT way... :-) > logged in using the boot and rescue disks, mounted the hard drive, > changed root to the hard drive and then ran "passwd root" and changed > the root password. The first time I did that, I forgot to run "sync" > afterwards and spent about 10 minutes pulling what little hair I have > left out. ;-) > After I figured it out, it was a cinch to reboot with the rescue > disk, change the password again, THIS time, I ran "sync," unmounted > the system and rebooted. ;-) > Worked like a charm! :-) > John
RE: [expert] mailing list software?
> > Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably > > perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? > > If you have root access on the remote system to set it up, I'd recommend > Majordomo. Installation is pretty simple if you read the documentation and > instructions and if you set it up to do so, there is almost no maintenance > involved. I would disagree about the "no maintenance". Every time you add a list, you need to add several aliases to the sendmail aliases file, rebuild the db from that file, edit and create several files in Majordomo's home directory (with the correct permissions), and finally configure the mailing list with the 'new config' command. But, it is very powerful, and fairly popular (making support easy to find). --Derek
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
At 12:45 2/12/99 +, you wrote: >John Aldrich wrote: >check out mailman it has a www interface and a built in archive (all www >based) we switched from majordomo to mailman here @ work becuae of the ease of use for those not familiar with *NIX, or command sending through email, and wanting to administer lists... apart from management spewing over no one being told of the transfer there have been no complaints so far, Regards Geoff Croxson --- Page me http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1120068 Senior Micro-Computing Support Officer Ph: 9514 1218 Humanities and Social Sciences Fax:9514 1041 University of Technology, Sydney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > Johnthat's not what I said, but you are correct. There is no file > called rescue.img on my Mdk 6.0 CD or either of my Mdk 6.1 CD's. > However on the Mdk 6.0 CD there is a sub called /images/rescue and in it > are the three "Tom's root boot" files (they are not named rescue.img). > Well, I'll be darned..you're right. I coulda sworn that there was a rescue.img. :-) I just learned something new then. :-) FWIW, I've never had any problem with the RedHat rescue disk.. and I've used it several times. :-) One of the more recent times was to boot up a system I didn't know the root password on to add a user and change the root password... and I did it the RIGHT way... :-) logged in using the boot and rescue disks, mounted the hard drive, changed root to the hard drive and then ran "passwd root" and changed the root password. The first time I did that, I forgot to run "sync" afterwards and spent about 10 minutes pulling what little hair I have left out. ;-) After I figured it out, it was a cinch to reboot with the rescue disk, change the password again, THIS time, I ran "sync," unmounted the system and rebooted. ;-) Worked like a charm! :-) John
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably perl-based) > > mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? My boss gave me the job of > > coming up with a package to do that. > > IMHO sympa is very robust configuratble and have good readable code > (perl) more info on : > > http://listes.cru.fr/sympa > > --Chmouel > Thanks...is that what this list is run on? ;-) John
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > > I've got ezmlm installed on the work server along with qmailadmin for a > web-based administration of the whole system (pop accounts, forwarding, > aliases, mailing lists, and auto-responders). It's a pretty nice setup, > I must say. > Thanks...otoh, since the server I may be installing (and supporting) it on is about 30-miles away, I don't feel like setting up a whole new mail server software. ;-) Thanks...
Re: [expert] Kernel modules not modular kernels?
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > Is there any linux os flavor (or any os period) that allows the loading of multiple >kernels? I remember a professor during an SMP discussion stating that a "low level >SMP kernel" can be used to load "higher OS kernels" onto individual processors. This >type system would allow os redundancy on a single peice of hardware as well as >serices. Another plus would be testing and evaluation on an identical platform. >Some of my associates have suggested Java, but I reject that outright because it is >not an OS. > Yes, vmware -- you can run Linux under Win 95/98/NT or you can run any of those operating systems under Linux. :-) Now, next time, please set your mail client to post in plain text and word-wrap at a decent length, about 60-70 characters. :-) Thanks...
Re: [expert] Stoopid FTP Question
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > mget usually works pretty well for multiple files. > > Sure does...but AFAIK, it doesn't do recursive gets of directories.. John
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > Nickrescue.img is not the name of the file. On the Mdk 6.0 distro > there is a sub called /images/rescue/ and in that sub are three files: > > tomsrtbt-1.7.134.dos.zip (create the floppy in a dos environment) > tomsrtbt-1.7.134.tar.gz (create the floppy in a linux environment) > tomsrtbt.FAQ > There *is* a file on the 6.0 cd called 'rescue.img.' At least on the McMillan CD there is... The Tom's Root/Boot disk may also be there, but I'm almost positive that the rescue image is there as well. John
Re: [expert] Web site (doubleblink)
Hoythow do I get on the MDB mailing list? :-) Alan Hoyt wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: Alan Shoemaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [expert] Web site (doubleblink) > > > CivilemeI don't think it's too suprising that the poll came out like > > that, after all, there have been two MacMillan distributions of > > Linux-Mandrake that both say "RedHat with enhancements" right on the > > box. These boxed distributions can be found in many of the major > > discount stores in the USA and they are likely one of the major > > contributing factors for the phenominal growth of Linux-Mandrake over > > the past 6 to 8 months. > > > > My LUG distributes Mandrake at local computer shows. We purchase the disks > from www.linuxcentral.com and mark them up just enough to cover our > distibution expenses,so they are very inexpensive. Yet we have trouble > marketing them as "Mandrake". RedHat has so much market awareness that it is > easier to say they are "RedHat on steroids" or "RedHat with improvements". > But the fact remains that RedHat compatability helps sell the disks. I look > at it this way: Elisha Grey and Alexander Graham Bell "invented" the > telephone, but my Nokia cell phone is certainly much better than theirs. I > see RedHat and Mandrake as being in a similar relationship: it's the same > idea, but done better. > > BTW, I make a distro based on Mandrake that I use and distribute to my > friends. It is essentially Mandrake with 1)bugfixes/updates , 2)extra > programs (many from cooker contribs), 3)mods to the /comps file 4)enhanced > DOS and recovery utilities and 5)extra documantation. I immodestly call it > MDB or "Mandrake Done Better"; there's always room for improvement. > > Hoyt
RE: [expert] mailing list software?
> Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably > perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? If you have root access on the remote system to set it up, I'd recommend Majordomo. Installation is pretty simple if you read the documentation and instructions and if you set it up to do so, there is almost no maintenance involved. You can grab a copy from here: http://www.greatcircle.com/ and they have their own mailing list about the software where lots of people (including me) can help you out if you get stuck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Ian Douglas, Wild Web Services http://www.wildwebservices.com ph: 613-253-3147 fx: 613-253-1029 pager: http://wildwebservices.com/pager.html
[expert] SO51a backup -- works but only...
Dear friends: Again, my thanks to everyone who helped. OK, here is the lowdown after an hour or so of playing around with SO's backup feature. First, I downloaded the 70 meg binary from Sun into my home directory, then untarred it as a user and installed it as a user in my /home partition (into /home/sher/Office51). So51a will definitely do automatic backups of files (if "Always create backup files" is checked in Options, General, Save. HOWEVER, as I found out after successfully trying out Axalon's suggestion, there is still a hitch and I wonder if any of you have this problem: Unlike WP8, where a backup is created automatically the first time you save a file (and give it a name), this does not seem to be the case in SO, at least not in my case. I first have to first save a file (giving it a name), then I have to close it, come back and add a line or two, then SAVE AS, not Save. Naturally, doing this once, when you first start a file, is hardly worth mentioning. But you have to do it EVERY TIME. That is, the only way I can get an automatic backup of a file is to SAVE AS or else click on Close, then choose to save it (that is, overwrite it). Apparently, unless SO sees the name it won't save the changes created in the .bak file. I tried this with both the default path directory for backup and my own. I may be wrong about this, but I am certainly curious to know if your experience has been any different. Thank you all so much. Benjamin -- -- Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
Re: [expert] Kernel modules not modular kernels?
Jason Antonacci wrote: > > Is there any linux os flavor (or any os period) that allows the loading of multiple >kernels? I remember a professor during an SMP discussion stating that a "low level >SMP kernel" can be used to load "higher OS kernels" onto individual processors. This >type system would allow os redundancy on a single peice of hardware as well as >serices. Another plus would be testing and evaluation on an identical platform. >Some of my associates have suggested Java, but I reject that outright because it is >not an OS. > The big one that comes to mind is VMWare. It will allow you to run a wide variety of operating systems as user processes. There is a user-space linux kernel floating around that will allow you to run more "linux machines" as processes of the real, physical machine. Beyond that, you're treading into the territory of mainframe monsters... I do remember reading that IBM has ported Linux as a "virtual machine" to their 390 series and is now working on porting it to act as the "main" operating system of the machine. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, John Aldrich wrote: > Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably > perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? My > boss gave me the job of coming up with a package to do > that. > Also keep in mind that it will probably be remotely > installed, configured and managed via ssh, so the easier > the better! :-) You can give Majordomo a try... although not very easy to setup (traditionally) it's very powerful and is almost 100% perl-based. If you like, you can download the RPMS I made for myself at http://tux.tzo.net/rpm.php3. One of these days I'll tiddy them up and submit them to contribs. Vincent Danen, Freezer Burn web master: http://tux.tzo.net ICQ: 54924721 . http://shx.tzo.net . telnet://shx.tzo.net BBBS/LiI . Internet Rex for Linux Beta . Stronghold Enterprises/X BBS Check out the new Linux Information site at http://tux.tzo.net
Re: [expert] Pumping Up PPP
> > The serial ports are character devices (unbuffered) under Linux. I > > don't know if there is any equivalent to the Windows setting or not. > > > > I couldn't find anything about it in the setserial or pppd man > > pages, so I'm guessing it does not apply. > > > > That's a shame because it significantly improves performance. > I guess my "heavy" downloading will be done under MS Windows. > Hoyt That's the short answer, but I reckon the reason that a Windows connection can be tweaked so much, is 'cause there's a hell'uva lot more room for improvement to start with. I've spent years tweaking Windows connections, even somewhat successfully, and now I do my 'heavy' d/l'g with Linux 'cause it's faster. You ought'a try d/l'g in Arkansas Hoyt, they're still tryin to use tin cups and strings around here. -- take me back to Texas, .. Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
> Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably > perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? My > boss gave me the job of coming up with a package to do > that. > Also keep in mind that it will probably be remotely > installed, configured and managed via ssh, so the easier > the better! :-) There is an O'Reilly book you'll want to buy, titled "Managing Mailing Lists". It's required reading, if you ask me. Majordomo is perl based and very powerful. It's also one of the easier ones to configure. When I first set up a mailing list, I thought it would be very easy. It turns out there are a lot of files you need to edit (and it's all rather non-intuitive), because you need to configure Sendmail aliases and config files and executables with appropriate permissions, yada yada. At least that O'Reilly book will take you through it step by step. --Derek
Re: [expert] NTP will not update!
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > Thanks to Ramon Gandia for his suggestions. > > Reread the NTP FAQ and discovered that it can take up to 20 minutes to synch and >properly begin services. I am stoopid :P. Our network is all happily on proper time >now. I am using NTP because our M$ NT 4.0 DHCP server supports the option. > Now all I have to do is find and deploy a win32 NTP client. if you have samba up on the NTP machine, try this on Windows: `net time /set /yes \\[NTP machine]` i have it run as a batch file in the startup folder.
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
John Aldrich wrote: > > Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably > perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? My > boss gave me the job of coming up with a package to do > that. > Also keep in mind that it will probably be remotely > installed, configured and managed via ssh, so the easier > the better! :-) > John check out mailman it has a www interface and a built in archive (all www based)
Re: [expert] question
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Lord And Master;) wrote: > Is it possible to have windows 98 share drives using nfs instead of > samba? Yes, but you need a "pay" client in order to do it. NFS servers exist for WinNT, but Win98 only has NFS clients (well, I think there's *one* server app for 98). Best I've found is InterDrive by FTP Software. Sorry, I don't have a website for them but I'm sure you can find them doing a search for NFS and Windows. Vincent Danen, Freezer Burn web master: http://tux.tzo.net ICQ: 54924721 . http://shx.tzo.net . telnet://shx.tzo.net BBBS/LiI . Internet Rex for Linux Beta . Stronghold Enterprises/X BBS Check out the new Linux Information site at http://tux.tzo.net
[expert] FTP, chroot?
I've heard/read about using chroot to force an FTP user to only have access
to certain areas of the disk by making a subdirectory on the file system
their 'root' directory ('/').
However, I can't seem to find anywhere to do this. Can someone help me out?
Using Mandrake 6.0 and BeroFTPd 1.3.4.
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Re: [expert] Rescue.img
Johnthat's not what I said, but you are correct. There is no file called rescue.img on my Mdk 6.0 CD or either of my Mdk 6.1 CD's. However on the Mdk 6.0 CD there is a sub called /images/rescue and in it are the three "Tom's root boot" files (they are not named rescue.img). Alan John Aldrich wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > > Axhold it! I don't think so! You mean to tell me that both of my > > 6.1 CD's are 'faulty'! Two different CD's from two different sources!? > > One is an official MandrakeSoft CD and the other is a LinuxMall CD and > > neither one has an /images/rescue sub on it. :-) > > > NEITHER of your disks has a /images directory with a file > called "rescue.img" > John
Re: [expert] NTP will not update!
Thanks to Ramon Gandia for his suggestions. Reread the NTP FAQ and discovered that it can take up to 20 minutes to synch and properly begin services. I am stoopid :P. Our network is all happily on proper time now. I am using NTP because our M$ NT 4.0 DHCP server supports the option. Now all I have to do is find and deploy a win32 NTP client. Jason S. Antonacci Computer Support Specialist IV Univ. of Georgia - Savannah River Ecology Lab Office: 803.725.5984 Pager: 706.869.4043 Fax: 503.218.7129 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> "Jason Antonacci" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 29 Nov 99 17:17:57 >>> I believe Network Time Protocol (NTP) only uses UDP port 123. The utility ntptrace times out (ntp equivanet of traceroute). SO, I open a tunnel from EXT to the NTP server for UDP 123, update the filters and it still times out. What is the problem here? The ntp.conf is the bare minimum directed to an open public server (tick.gatech.edu) Jason S. Antonacci Computer Support Specialist IV Univ. of Georgia - Savannah River Ecology Lab Office: 803.725.5984 Pager: 706.869.4043 Fax: 503.218.7129 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Microsoft's "Vulnerability" ;-)
AHHhhh Vaporware... I have many memories of my time with IBM and waiting for all those promised OS/2 applications. (text book study in vaporware) Many PS/1 machines had a pleathora of undocumented "features" Like for instance... IBM Token Ring adapters won't work in your 486 PS/1. Much to the surprise and merryment of many an administrator :) On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Sergio Korlowsky wrote: > > Check this one... hehe > > > > Microsoft has released a version upgrade that eliminates a vulnerability in > > Microsoft(r) Internet Explorer 5. "A vulnerability in an optional component" > > could allow a malicious user to gain additional privileges on a Windows NT > > machine that allowed him or her to create or change files. > > > > -- > > > > How about that... a 'vulnerability is an "optional" component... > > > > soon they are going to claim that a "Vulnerability" is an 'additional Feature' > > > > in Winsucks products! he he.. Sorry I couldn't resist! ;-) > > You guys should have been around in the late 70's and early > 80's. Those were the heyday of CP/M, Altairs and lots of > S-100 computers14" drivesand 64K memory was a rich > man's toy. > > Back then, there were some pretty zany expressions out there. > Lets take a Quiz: > > 1. "That's not a bug, that's a FEATURE!" > > 2. The dBASE-II ad with the rule bilge pump. "Some > databases...well...suck." > > 3. "Vaporware" was coined. > > 4. Jerry Pournelle was ranting about some new software > or hardware product that was going to be released > "Real_Soon_Now! tm" It WAS trademarked, and is now in > the lexicon as RSNin the same context as Vaporware. > > 5. The IBM PC at 4.77 mHz was soundly beat in computing > speed by an Altair or any 2 mHz Z-80. A good selling > point is that it came with TWO 160K double sided floppy > drives! You could buy the XT with an incredible 5 MB > hard drive, but nobody could figure out what you would > need that vast amount of storage for! > > 6. "The bill is $1,000. $5 for the time it took to tap > it with the screwdriver handleand $995 for knowing > WHERE to tap it." IBM circa 7040/7044 computers in 1960's. > > Of course, when Microsoft came strong on the scene in > 1992all rules were cast aside. ANYTHING goes now. > we have: "Freedom to Innovate" "Microsoft did not do > anything wrong because it is the top selling and most > wanted operating system...". "I didn't say thatoh, > this email? I don't remember it...". > > > > -- > Ramon Gandia = Sysadmin == Nook Net > http://www.nook.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 285 West First Avenue tel. 907-443-7575 > P.O. Box 970 fax. 907-443-2487 > Nome, Alaska 99762-0970 Alaska Toll Free. 888-443-7525
RE: [expert] 2nd request: Vanishing Mouse Pointer in KDE
You may want to try using "synps2" as the mouse type. This will make gpm use the Synaptics touchpad driver. Run "gpm -t help" for a complete list of mouse types. Also, the Laptop-HOWTO has information on how to configure your mouse. I have a Compaq Prosignia 150 laptop with Mandrake 6.1 and the "synps2" setting works better than the standard "ps2". I'm still having a little trouble getting the mouse acceleration set correctly, sometimes it jumps all over. Jeff At 11:11 AM 12/1/99 -0500, you wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Civileme [mailto: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:16 PM > > > Just a note to let you know I saw your post. > > > > I am still trying to duplicate the behavior. Anything else I > > should know > > about your install? Did you format all partitions or just > > some? What sort of mouse? What does the Pointer Device section of > > /etc/X11/XF86Config say? >Here's a bit more detail: >Compaq Armada 1750 laptop (ATI Rage Pro LT graphics) >BIOS set to support both internal (touchpad) and external PS/2 mice >(simultaneously) >Fresh install, 3 partitions (/boot, /, swap) all formatted during set-up >running MACH64 Xserver >XF86Config driver set to "PS/2" - device: have used /dev/mouse and >/dev/psaux (but sym link is OK) >Pointer vanishes regardless if I have the external mouse connected or not >no difference between a session started via kdm or startx >no log entries in /var/log pertaining to pointer issues >no error output from X pertaining to pointer issues > >I recently installed a few of the RH 6.1 "PowerTools", but was experiencing >the issue before that. I've not really done much to the system after the >initial 6.1 install other than a few updates (still on 2.2.13-7 kernel - >will try to update today but have not been able to compile source) > >Thanx! >Don
Re: [expert] Stoopid FTP Question
mget usually works pretty well for multiple files. On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > Sorry for this boneheaded query, but I can't figure this out and this list should be >the quickest answer:: > > ftp, interactive mode. How the heck can I retrieve a whole directory structure? > > I've tried many permutations with "get" to no avail, and the man page didn't really >help. > > Thanks! > Chad
Re: [expert] mailing list software?
John Aldrich wrote: > > Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably > perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? My > boss gave me the job of coming up with a package to do > that. > Also keep in mind that it will probably be remotely > installed, configured and managed via ssh, so the easier > the better! :-) > John I've got ezmlm installed on the work server along with qmailadmin for a web-based administration of the whole system (pop accounts, forwarding, aliases, mailing lists, and auto-responders). It's a pretty nice setup, I must say. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] 2nd request: Vanishing Mouse Pointer in KDE
"Vanco, Donald" wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Civileme [mailto: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:16 PM > > > Just a note to let you know I saw your post. > > > > I am still trying to duplicate the behavior. Anything else I > > should know > > about your install? Did you format all partitions or just > > some? What sort of mouse? What does the Pointer Device section of > > /etc/X11/XF86Config say? > Here's a bit more detail: > Compaq Armada 1750 laptop (ATI Rage Pro LT graphics) > BIOS set to support both internal (touchpad) and external PS/2 mice > (simultaneously) > Fresh install, 3 partitions (/boot, /, swap) all formatted during set-up > running MACH64 Xserver > XF86Config driver set to "PS/2" - device: have used /dev/mouse and > /dev/psaux (but sym link is OK) > Pointer vanishes regardless if I have the external mouse connected or not > no difference between a session started via kdm or startx > no log entries in /var/log pertaining to pointer issues > no error output from X pertaining to pointer issues > > I recently installed a few of the RH 6.1 "PowerTools", but was experiencing > the issue before that. I've not really done much to the system after the > initial 6.1 install other than a few updates (still on 2.2.13-7 kernel - > will try to update today but have not been able to compile source) > > Thanx! > Don > > > "Vanco, Donald" wrote: > > > > > I posted last week about my mouse pointer vanishing in KDE > > when my screen > > > goes into "suspend" mode. Anyone have any clues or > > experience anything > > > similar? Past installs of 6.1 have not done hits - only > > this time! (fresh > > > install after nuking RH 6.1) > > > Any help appreciated. > > > Thanx > > > Don > > I don't have the manpage for the Mach64 X server handy, but you might look into adding the sw_cursor option. It's possible that one of the sleep modes is disturbing the hardware cursor. It's worth a shot, anyway... :) -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
- Original Message - From: Alan Shoemaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Rescue.img > Derekit's on the 6.0 disc but is not on the 6.1 disc. It's called > 'tomsrtbt' (Toms root boot) and is in /images/rescue. There are two > versions, one for creating the floppy under dos and one for creating it > under linux as well as a FAQ file. If you don't have the 6.0 disc then > here's the URL to get it from the author. It's a really neat and > powerful little distribution. > > http://www.toms.net/rb > Tomsrtbr is great. I only wish that there would be an image file on the CD that can easily be used with rawrite or dd to make a floppy instead of the floppy ceation program. It would seem to be easier (and take less space) and I don't see any prohibition in the tomsrtbt copyright.Hint. Hint. Also, creating the boot image from Peanut Linux at http://metalab.unc.edu/peanut/ can be useful since it implements the Midnight Commander file manager. As Axalon pointed out, the CD itself can be used for recovery. Another floppy distro that is handy is Airmid at http://airmid.netpedia.net/. He designed it to overcome the usual Lilo boot dilemmas and it _will_ boot the botched install and allow you to fix it. (Lilo error message here: http://www.croftj.net/~fawcett/Bootdisk-HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO-3.5-12.html ) I'm doing a "rescue demo" at my LUG next week and will post my notes in article form to their web site's sponsor at http://linuxforum.com/ sometime after that. Hoyt
[expert] Kernel modules not modular kernels?
Is there any linux os flavor (or any os period) that allows the loading of multiple kernels? I remember a professor during an SMP discussion stating that a "low level SMP kernel" can be used to load "higher OS kernels" onto individual processors. This type system would allow os redundancy on a single peice of hardware as well as serices. Another plus would be testing and evaluation on an identical platform. Some of my associates have suggested Java, but I reject that outright because it is not an OS. Jason S. Antonacci Computer Support Specialist IV Univ. of Georgia - Savannah River Ecology Lab Office: 803.725.5984 Pager: 706.869.4043 Fax: 503.218.7129 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Pumping Up PPP
- Original Message - From: Derek Simkowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Pumping Up PPP > > The serial ports are character devices (unbuffered) under Linux. I > don't know if there is any equivalent to the Windows setting or not. > > I couldn't find anything about it in the setserial or pppd man > pages, so I'm guessing it does not apply. > That's a shame because it significantly improves performance. I guess my "heavy" downloading will be done under MS Windows. Thanks. And thanks also, Civileme. Hoyt
Re: [expert] Web site (doubleblink)
- Original Message - From: Alan Shoemaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Web site (doubleblink) > CivilemeI don't think it's too suprising that the poll came out like > that, after all, there have been two MacMillan distributions of > Linux-Mandrake that both say "RedHat with enhancements" right on the > box. These boxed distributions can be found in many of the major > discount stores in the USA and they are likely one of the major > contributing factors for the phenominal growth of Linux-Mandrake over > the past 6 to 8 months. > My LUG distributes Mandrake at local computer shows. We purchase the disks from www.linuxcentral.com and mark them up just enough to cover our distibution expenses,so they are very inexpensive. Yet we have trouble marketing them as "Mandrake". RedHat has so much market awareness that it is easier to say they are "RedHat on steroids" or "RedHat with improvements". But the fact remains that RedHat compatability helps sell the disks. I look at it this way: Elisha Grey and Alexander Graham Bell "invented" the telephone, but my Nokia cell phone is certainly much better than theirs. I see RedHat and Mandrake as being in a similar relationship: it's the same idea, but done better. BTW, I make a distro based on Mandrake that I use and distribute to my friends. It is essentially Mandrake with 1)bugfixes/updates , 2)extra programs (many from cooker contribs), 3)mods to the /comps file 4)enhanced DOS and recovery utilities and 5)extra documantation. I immodestly call it MDB or "Mandrake Done Better"; there's always room for improvement. Hoyt
[expert] SO51a new install -- backup succeeds!
Do this, File->New->Text document type blah Dear Axalon: You did it! In StarOffice, as you suggested, I did the following: File->close yes to save, file name is blah, Ok Now, File-># (it's 1 if you've fresh install) type "blah blah", so now you have three blahs File->Close yes to save Now look in backup/ And blah.bak is there!!! Question: Do I then first have to save the file, then reopen it and save it again? Is that the standard way of creating a backup? Anyway, that's the way it seems to work. I just changed the paths from the default to /home/sher/docs for both save and backup. Works perfectly. Saved a few lines under a name. Reopened added a few words. Saved again. Bingo: the file and .bak appear next to each other. Here is the data. Look for yoke.sdw and yoke.bak below: [sher@adsl-77-232-87 sher]$ cd docs [sher@adsl-77-232-87 docs]$ ls anna extra inferno linuxplays shklov~1 wentzell ascii faina inferno.bak marshak poetrysvezhowizard benjamin fiction inv natasha reviews tech yahoo-edu.doc commerce freeware ladycat old rus temp yale data friends let-in others russmark vaginov yoke.bak dostovgeneral let-out pdf scholar websher yoke.sdw [sher@adsl-77-232-87 docs]$ I guess this does make sense, after all. StarOffice cannot create an automatic backup until the file has already been given a name. In WP8, though, you can create a BK! file the first time you save a file. Just curious if this is the way StarOffice creates a backup for others. Let me know, please. My thanks to Axalon and everyone else for helping me solve this mysterious problem so I can finally get back to work and enjoy using StarOffice. Benjamin Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
Re: [expert] Gnumeric not working
> Which version of Gnumeric are you using? I installed October GNOME > (which comes with GNUMERIC 0.38) and I do have file > /usr/share/fonts/fontmap; it was created, I believe, by a post-install > script. $ gnumeric -V Gnome gnumeric 0.31 ...it's whatever came with Mandrake 6.1. I supposed I could try re-installing the RPM... --Derek On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Alexander Kirillov wrote: > > Sasha > > > > On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 02:58:17PM -0800, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > > When I try to run Gnumeric on Mandrake 6.1, I get: > > > > > > [dereks@localhost 0409]$ gnumeric > > Cannot read file /home/dereks/.gnome/fonts/fontmap : > > gzopen failed: No such file or directory > > Cannot read file /usr/share/fonts/fontmap : > > gzopen failed: No such file or directory > > > > ** WARNING **: gnome_font_new_closest: font family Helvetica not found > > > > Gnumeric failed to find a suitable default font. > > > > Please verify your gnome-print installation and that your fontmap file > > (typically located in /usr/local/share/fonts/fontmap) is not empty or > > near empty. > > > > If you still have no luck, please file a proper bug report (see > > http://bugs.gnome.org) including the following extra items: > > > > 1. Values of LC_ALL and LANG environment variables. > > 2. Your fontmap file, see above. > > > > Thanks -- the Gnumeric Team > > > > > > Does anyone know how to fix this? > > > > Thanks, > > Derek > > > > >
[expert] mailing list software?
Can someone recommend a good, easy to use (preferably perl-based) mailing list package for RedHat/Mandrake? My boss gave me the job of coming up with a package to do that. Also keep in mind that it will probably be remotely installed, configured and managed via ssh, so the easier the better! :-) John
[expert] Vanishing Mouse Pointer resolved (but not fixed..)
It appears that my vanishing mouse pointer is a bug in the MACH64 Xserver (3.3.5) and the ATI RAGE LT Pro chipset. After exchanging a few notes with Civileme it dawned on me that past installs on this laptop have been configured with the SVGA server - this time I used the MACH64. Sure enough - I went back to SVGA (using the C&T 6 chipset) and the mouse pointer is here to stay. FWIW - the generic SVGA looks better than the MACH64 anyway! Did not look at top to see how the overhead has changed tho (thanx Civileme!) Cheers - Don
Re: [expert] Cohabitation: RH 5.2 & M 6.1
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > Arrg! > > Under RH 5.2 I tried that manually, with: > > # mkfs /dev/sda7 > > and it put an ext2fs file system on the partition. I then tried: > > # mkfs -t swap /dev/sda7 > mkfs.swap: No such file or directory > > So I don't think it will will work when I reboot to L-M. > Try 'mkswap /dev/sda7' and see if that works... :-) John
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 01:43:05PM +, Nick Kay wrote: -> -> >Well son of a, ok not my fault. I just double checked the iso on my ftp -> >and your right. I have no clue how that happened. I don't have a 6.1 boxed -> >set to check the other disks, I do know it was tight on space and they -> >stuck a bunch of stuff elsewhere, I was pretty sure it was on the 6.1 beta -> >but i can't seem to find that cd anywhere =( sorry ladies (and guys, yes -> >ladies always first) -> > -> -> Just for information, I looked all over my 6.1 boxed set. There -> is no file called "rescue.img" :( I did not find it on my 6.1 CD. However, if you make an emergency boot disk at installation time, supposedly you can use that as a rescue disk. I say, "supposedly", because if you do, it asks for another floppy disk -- which is not made at the same time. Oops. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
[expert] remove
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RE: [expert] 2nd request: Vanishing Mouse Pointer in KDE
> -Original Message- > From: Civileme [mailto: > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:16 PM > Just a note to let you know I saw your post. > > I am still trying to duplicate the behavior. Anything else I > should know > about your install? Did you format all partitions or just > some? What sort of mouse? What does the Pointer Device section of > /etc/X11/XF86Config say? Here's a bit more detail: Compaq Armada 1750 laptop (ATI Rage Pro LT graphics) BIOS set to support both internal (touchpad) and external PS/2 mice (simultaneously) Fresh install, 3 partitions (/boot, /, swap) all formatted during set-up running MACH64 Xserver XF86Config driver set to "PS/2" - device: have used /dev/mouse and /dev/psaux (but sym link is OK) Pointer vanishes regardless if I have the external mouse connected or not no difference between a session started via kdm or startx no log entries in /var/log pertaining to pointer issues no error output from X pertaining to pointer issues I recently installed a few of the RH 6.1 "PowerTools", but was experiencing the issue before that. I've not really done much to the system after the initial 6.1 install other than a few updates (still on 2.2.13-7 kernel - will try to update today but have not been able to compile source) Thanx! Don > "Vanco, Donald" wrote: > > > I posted last week about my mouse pointer vanishing in KDE > when my screen > > goes into "suspend" mode. Anyone have any clues or > experience anything > > similar? Past installs of 6.1 have not done hits - only > this time! (fresh > > install after nuking RH 6.1) > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanx > > Don >
Re: [expert] Cohabitation: RH 5.2 & M 6.1
Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 07:51:52PM -0700, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > -> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Charles Curley wrote: > -> > -> > I have been running Red Hat 5.2 for over a year now. I have just put > -> > Mandrake 6.1 on the same system. However, RH 6.0 was a disaster, so this > -> > time I took things carefully: I installed M 6.1 in its own boot and root > -> > partions. BUT I have them both sharing the same swap space. That may have > -> > been an error. I get this error message from dmesg, and no swap partition. > -> > -> Um, you've forgotten to send the error? > > Oops, mea culpa! > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. > Unable to find swap-space signature > Unable to find swap-space signature > sysctl: ip forwarding off > > -> > -> > 1) Is there any way to allow the two installations to share the same swap > -> > space? > -> > > -> > 2) Failing that, is there anything short of re-installing with a new swap > -> > partition I can do? Such as: back up the Mandrake root and boot > -> > partitions, twiddle the partitions, restore the partitions, re-run LILO? > -> > > -> > Thank you. > -> > -> > -> Worst comes to worst you can fiddle with the rc.sysinit and have it > -> reformat the swap on each boot, but i wasn't aware the format changed. > > Arrg! > > Under RH 5.2 I tried that manually, with: > > # mkfs /dev/sda7 > > and it put an ext2fs file system on the partition. I then tried: > > # mkfs -t swap /dev/sda7 > mkfs.swap: No such file or directory > > So I don't think it will will work when I reboot to L-M. > > -- > > -- C^2 > > No windows were crashed in the making of this email. > > Looking for fine software and/or web pages? > http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley Try mkswap /dev/sda7 Civileme
Re: [expert] Stoopid FTP Question
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 02:47:31PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -> Sorry for this boneheaded query, but I can't figure this out and this list should >be the quickest answer:: > -> > -> ftp, interactive mode. How the heck can I retrieve a whole directory structure? > -> > -> I've tried many permutations with "get" to no avail, and the man page didn't >really help. > -> > -> Thanks! > -> Chad > > There is no way to get an entire directory structure with recursive > descent with standard FTP. > > In standard FTP, "mget" gets a directory at a time. You may > want to turn prompting off with "prompt". > > Better, use ncftp, and don't worry about "prompt". > > You might look at sitecopy, which will do what you want, although it isn't > intended for it. :-) > Or rsync which IS intended for that purpose. :-) Rsync comes pre-installed in RH 6.0. I'm assuming it's installed in Mandrake as well. John
Re: [expert] Mandrake, Corel and co..
it would be interesting if Red Hat bought Corel as is rumored... DvB On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Denis Havlik wrote: > Hi, everybody. > > I thought this might interest You - i have just posted this story on > LinuxPR and Slashdot (no idea if they are going to accept it. Sorry for > the html: > ++ > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com">Mandrake, a distribution > rather similar to http://www.redhat.com">Red Hat, but > explicitely targeted at home-users has been a subject of many Press > releases, including those talking about "best selling distribution" during > the last six months. > However, as usuall in the Linux universe, it is > allmost impossible to find out what is a real impact of the Mandrake > compared to other distributions. > > One of the rare places which tries to follow the world-wide development > of the linux-use is the http://www.linuxcounter.org">Linux > counter, a non-profit organisation dedicated to counting the linux > users, and gathering of the general Linux-related statistics. While this > info certainly lacks accuracy (registering is voluntaryly and less than 1% > of users actually register), it is the best freely > available statistics on linux usage. > Among other things, Linux-counter offers the info on href="http://www.linuxcounter.org/reports/machines.html">spread of the > Linux-distributions. Abouth a month ago, I started to follow the > growth of the "Mandrake" distribution - at that time, ca. 1.7% of the > registred machines were running the Mandrake. This is obviously not really > impressive, but still this has made the Mandrake into sixt-strongest > distribution following the Slackware (historical reasons), RedHat, Debian, > Suse and DIY. No other distribution exceedes 1% of the registred base. > In the meantime, however, Mandrake had the second-fastest absolute growth > (approximately 1/2 of the Red-hats growth), and by far the largest > "relative growth" of all the distributions. > > In only one month, the number of registred "Mandrake" machines grew by 27% > - for comparison, number of Red-Hat machines grew by only 3%! Obviously, > Mandrake-s model of "simple to use" Linux has been very successfull and > has a very strongly growing userbase. If Mandrake succeedes in sustaining > the current growth rates for the next six months, it will become a very > powerfull "player" among the Linux distributions. > > > Because of the Corel-hypo, I just took a look at Corels userbase - it is > currently non-existing, but i suppose it is growing rather fast, too. > > I am not sure if their growth is sustaineable, though - from what I hear > the distribution is rather crappy and they still do not understand the > Open-Source developement model. In particular they have completely > pissed-off the KDE-developers and debian-people aren't really happy > either. > > In case someone is interested in numbers, here it is, for all the > distributions with more than 0.1% of the registred machines: > > 66876 values > > 535 0.80% distribution:Caldera > 1514 2.27% distribution:DIY > 115 0.17% distribution:DLD > > # OK, this is all debian, so kill me. > 12884 19.32% distribution:Debian > 2340 3.51% distribution:Debian ==DEBIAN-VERSION== > 111 0.17% distribution:Debian potato > > 162 0.24% distribution:LinuxPPC > 1287 1.93% distribution:Mandrake > 595 0.89% distribution:Other (registrands choice) > 19417 29.12% distribution:Red Hat > 4249 6.37% distribution:S.u.S.E > 415 0.62% distribution:SLS > 20605 30.90% distribution:Slackware >68 0.10% distribution:Yggrdrasil > 2579 3.87% distribution:Others (sum of smaller distros with less than > 0.1% users) > > cu > Denis > >
[expert] Advanced Extranet Server
I noticed that the files haven't changed for a little while. Is now a good time to redownload and set this up?
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > Axhold it! I don't think so! You mean to tell me that both of my > 6.1 CD's are 'faulty'! Two different CD's from two different sources!? > One is an official MandrakeSoft CD and the other is a LinuxMall CD and > neither one has an /images/rescue sub on it. :-) > NEITHER of your disks has a /images directory with a file called "rescue.img" John
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
Nickrescue.img is not the name of the file. On the Mdk 6.0 distro there is a sub called /images/rescue/ and in that sub are three files: tomsrtbt-1.7.134.dos.zip (create the floppy in a dos environment) tomsrtbt-1.7.134.tar.gz (create the floppy in a linux environment) tomsrtbt.FAQ If you don't have the Mdk 6.0 disc you can get tomsrtbt here: http://www.toms.net/rb Alan Nick Kay wrote: > > >Well son of a, ok not my fault. I just double checked the iso on my ftp > >and your right. I have no clue how that happened. I don't have a 6.1 boxed > >set to check the other disks, I do know it was tight on space and they > >stuck a bunch of stuff elsewhere, I was pretty sure it was on the 6.1 beta > >but i can't seem to find that cd anywhere =( sorry ladies (and guys, yes > >ladies always first) > > > > Just for information, I looked all over my 6.1 boxed set. There > is no file called "" :( > > cheers all > nick@nexnix
Re: [expert] System Temporarily Freezing
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Civileme wrote: > > > William Ahern wrote: > > > > > We have a box serving as a router/ipmasq, smb/cifs server, webserver, > > > sql server, and email and dns host. this box has two nic's, one w/ > > > a private address, the other with a public. every once in awhile > > > nothing can be accessed via the private address and/or the public address. > > > when this happens, i can't telnet to the private address (it just hangs), but > > > i can to the public. ipmasq continues to work (all the pc's have private > > > addresses and can access the internet fine), but nobody can send or receive > > > email internally (externally 'netstat' shows incoming connections fine, when > > > netstat doesn't freeze). Also, when this occurs i usually cannot get netstat or > > > ipchains to list anything; they usually both hang. > > Also make sure your useing the "-n" parm on both of those yep. netstat -n. i do an nslookup from outside our network and everythiing resolves fine, too.
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
Tomexactly! So does my LinuxMall Mdk 6.0, but not either of my MDk 6.1 CD's (Official Mandrake & Linux Mall). I don't think that they're "faulty", I think that the /images/rescue sub was left off of the 6.1 distro (maybe by oversight). Alan Tom Brinkman wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > > Axhold it! I don't think so! You mean to tell me that both of my > > 6.1 CD's are 'faulty'! Two different CD's from two different sources!? > > One is an official MandrakeSoft CD and the other is a LinuxMall CD and > > neither one has an /images/rescue sub on it. :-) > > > > Alan > > I've got a CheapBytes Mdk 6.0 CD and it has /images/rescue. The > 'little distribution' in /rescue is 'tomsrbdt' aka, "The most Linux > on one floppy disk" > -- > .. Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > > > > > Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > > > > > > > > On the Mandrake 6.x CD there is a little distribuition that can stay > > > > > on a single floppy. Usually I use that little floppy. > > > > > > > > What are you referring to here? I do not see any such > > > > distribution (with the exception of boot.img, bootnet.img, and pcmcia.img > > > > in the CDROM/images directory). > > > > > > > > --Derek > > > > > > if you don't have a images/rescue/, you have a faulty disk. > > > > > > -- > > > MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > > > --Axalon >
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Nick Kay wrote: > > >Well son of a, ok not my fault. I just double checked the iso on my ftp > >and your right. I have no clue how that happened. I don't have a 6.1 boxed > >set to check the other disks, I do know it was tight on space and they > >stuck a bunch of stuff elsewhere, I was pretty sure it was on the 6.1 beta > >but i can't seem to find that cd anywhere =( sorry ladies (and guys, yes > >ladies always first) > > > > Just for information, I looked all over my 6.1 boxed set. There > is no file called "rescue.img" :( > > cheers all > nick@nexnix And we're right back where the thread began -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
RE: [expert] Rescue.img
Yep definatly completed a full circle on this one :) On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, webmedic wrote: > Another good boot disk is the one inluded with peanut linux. It includes > midnight commander. > > > On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: > > > > > A friend of mine has RH 6.1, it does not have rescue.img on it either. And > > > since Mandrake is derived from RH perhaps this is why. > > > > No that is not why, it was simply moved and forgotten. redhats rescue.img > > sucks big time, tomsrtbt has easy double the apps > > -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Cohabitation: RH 5.2 & M 6.1
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 07:51:52PM -0700, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > -> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Charles Curley wrote: > -> > -> > I have been running Red Hat 5.2 for over a year now. I have just put > -> > Mandrake 6.1 on the same system. However, RH 6.0 was a disaster, so this > -> > time I took things carefully: I installed M 6.1 in its own boot and root > -> > partions. BUT I have them both sharing the same swap space. That may have > -> > been an error. I get this error message from dmesg, and no swap partition. > -> > -> Um, you've forgotten to send the error? > > Oops, mea culpa! > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. > Unable to find swap-space signature > Unable to find swap-space signature > sysctl: ip forwarding off > > > > -> > -> > 1) Is there any way to allow the two installations to share the same swap > -> > space? > -> > > -> > 2) Failing that, is there anything short of re-installing with a new swap > -> > partition I can do? Such as: back up the Mandrake root and boot > -> > partitions, twiddle the partitions, restore the partitions, re-run LILO? > -> > > -> > Thank you. > -> > -> > -> Worst comes to worst you can fiddle with the rc.sysinit and have it > -> reformat the swap on each boot, but i wasn't aware the format changed. > > Arrg! > > Under RH 5.2 I tried that manually, with: > > # mkfs /dev/sda7 > > and it put an ext2fs file system on the partition. I then tried: > > # mkfs -t swap /dev/sda7 > mkfs.swap: No such file or directory > > So I don't think it will will work when I reboot to L-M. Should be mkswap /dev/sda7 -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Gnumeric not working
Which version of Gnumeric are you using? I installed October GNOME (which comes with GNUMERIC 0.38) and I do have file /usr/share/fonts/fontmap; it was created, I believe, by a post-install script. Sasha On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 02:58:17PM -0800, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > When I try to run Gnumeric on Mandrake 6.1, I get: > > > [dereks@localhost 0409]$ gnumeric > Cannot read file /home/dereks/.gnome/fonts/fontmap : > gzopen failed: No such file or directory > Cannot read file /usr/share/fonts/fontmap : > gzopen failed: No such file or directory > > ** WARNING **: gnome_font_new_closest: font family Helvetica not found > > Gnumeric failed to find a suitable default font. > > Please verify your gnome-print installation and that your fontmap file > (typically located in /usr/local/share/fonts/fontmap) is not empty or > near empty. > > If you still have no luck, please file a proper bug report (see > http://bugs.gnome.org) including the following extra items: > > 1. Values of LC_ALL and LANG environment variables. > 2. Your fontmap file, see above. > > Thanks -- the Gnumeric Team > > > Does anyone know how to fix this? > > Thanks, > Derek > >
RE: [expert] Rescue.img
Another good boot disk is the one inluded with peanut linux. It includes midnight commander. On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: > > > A friend of mine has RH 6.1, it does not have rescue.img on it either. And > > since Mandrake is derived from RH perhaps this is why. > > No that is not why, it was simply moved and forgotten. redhats rescue.img > sucks big time, tomsrtbt has easy double the apps -- He must increase but I must decrease--- Holliness unto the Lord Name: Brook Humphrey E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster: thelinuxstop.com webmester: webmedic.net Owner: Mobile PC Medic
Re: [expert] Cohabitation: RH 5.2 & M 6.1
On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 07:51:52PM -0700, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: -> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Charles Curley wrote: -> -> > I have been running Red Hat 5.2 for over a year now. I have just put -> > Mandrake 6.1 on the same system. However, RH 6.0 was a disaster, so this -> > time I took things carefully: I installed M 6.1 in its own boot and root -> > partions. BUT I have them both sharing the same swap space. That may have -> > been an error. I get this error message from dmesg, and no swap partition. -> -> Um, you've forgotten to send the error? Oops, mea culpa! VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Unable to find swap-space signature Unable to find swap-space signature sysctl: ip forwarding off -> -> > 1) Is there any way to allow the two installations to share the same swap -> > space? -> > -> > 2) Failing that, is there anything short of re-installing with a new swap -> > partition I can do? Such as: back up the Mandrake root and boot -> > partitions, twiddle the partitions, restore the partitions, re-run LILO? -> > -> > Thank you. -> -> -> Worst comes to worst you can fiddle with the rc.sysinit and have it -> reformat the swap on each boot, but i wasn't aware the format changed. Arrg! Under RH 5.2 I tried that manually, with: # mkfs /dev/sda7 and it put an ext2fs file system on the partition. I then tried: # mkfs -t swap /dev/sda7 mkfs.swap: No such file or directory So I don't think it will will work when I reboot to L-M. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: [expert] question
On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 09:07:36PM +, Civileme wrote: -> "Lord And Master;)" wrote: -> -> > Is it possible to have windows 98 share drives using nfs instead of -> > samba? -> -> Short Answer: NO -> -> Longer Answer :NO! -> -> Reasoned Answer: Samba was created mostly by Andrew Tridgell from some -> work he did to make DOS use some unix files, sometime in ancient -> history. Of course, the contributors list is much longer now! It's -> stated purpose is not only to make UNIX and Windows play nice but also -> to SHARE. Without this protocol translator known as Samba, they don't -> share. Note that the approach taken is that as Windows does its 800 lb -> gorilla act, Samba reverse engineers to stay compatible. -> -> It should actually be possible to write a program for 98 to use nfs. If -> you can get me the Windows source code, I'll be happy to undertake the -> task :-).Or Microsoft could write some extension to Win9x and WinNT -> to do so, but they don't. I'm not convinced. :-) There are NFS clients and servers for NT, although I have never used any. Since W98 is even less secure than NT, it should be possible to write one. As with NT, the major problem would be in the status bit translation. Windows and Unix status bits simply do not map easily to each other. If such a beastie does exist, I would still advise you to use Samba anyway. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
>Well son of a, ok not my fault. I just double checked the iso on my ftp >and your right. I have no clue how that happened. I don't have a 6.1 boxed >set to check the other disks, I do know it was tight on space and they >stuck a bunch of stuff elsewhere, I was pretty sure it was on the 6.1 beta >but i can't seem to find that cd anywhere =( sorry ladies (and guys, yes >ladies always first) > Just for information, I looked all over my 6.1 boxed set. There is no file called "rescue.img" :( cheers all nick@nexnix
RE: [expert] Rescue.img
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: > A friend of mine has RH 6.1, it does not have rescue.img on it either. And > since Mandrake is derived from RH perhaps this is why. No that is not why, it was simply moved and forgotten. redhats rescue.img sucks big time, tomsrtbt has easy double the apps > -Original Message- > From: Ramon Gandia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Rescue.img > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > > if you don't have a images/rescue/, you have a faulty disk. > > Well, I don't have it on mine either. Its the Mandrake > PowerPack. My guess is, you intended for it to be on > 6.1 but it didn't make it to the CD pressing. > > -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
RE: [expert] Rescue.img
A friend of mine has RH 6.1, it does not have rescue.img on it either. And since Mandrake is derived from RH perhaps this is why. -Original Message- From: Ramon Gandia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Rescue.img On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > if you don't have a images/rescue/, you have a faulty disk. Well, I don't have it on mine either. Its the Mandrake PowerPack. My guess is, you intended for it to be on 6.1 but it didn't make it to the CD pressing. -- Ramon Gandia = Sysadmin == Nook Net http://www.nook.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] 285 West First Avenue tel. 907-443-7575 P.O. Box 970 fax. 907-443-2487 Nome, Alaska 99762-0970 Alaska Toll Free. 888-443-7525
RE: [expert] Rescue.img
These are the only images on my Mandrake 6.0-2 CD as well. boot, bootnet, and pcmcia. img's > On the Mandrake 6.x CD there is a little distribuition that can stay > on a single floppy. Usually I use that little floppy. What are you referring to here? I do not see any such distribution (with the exception of boot.img, bootnet.img, and pcmcia.img in the CDROM/images directory). --Derek
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, you wrote: > Axhold it! I don't think so! You mean to tell me that both of my > 6.1 CD's are 'faulty'! Two different CD's from two different sources!? > One is an official MandrakeSoft CD and the other is a LinuxMall CD and > neither one has an /images/rescue sub on it. :-) > > Alan I've got a CheapBytes Mdk 6.0 CD and it has /images/rescue. The 'little distribution' in /rescue is 'tomsrbdt' aka, "The most Linux on one floppy disk" -- .. Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > > > > > > On the Mandrake 6.x CD there is a little distribuition that can stay > > > > on a single floppy. Usually I use that little floppy. > > > > > > What are you referring to here? I do not see any such > > > distribution (with the exception of boot.img, bootnet.img, and pcmcia.img > > > in the CDROM/images directory). > > > > > > --Derek > > > > if you don't have a images/rescue/, you have a faulty disk. > > > > -- > > MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > > --Axalon
[expert] Mandrake, Corel and co..
Hi, everybody. I thought this might interest You - i have just posted this story on LinuxPR and Slashdot (no idea if they are going to accept it. Sorry for the html: ++ http://www.linux-mandrake.com">Mandrake, a distribution rather similar to http://www.redhat.com">Red Hat, but explicitely targeted at home-users has been a subject of many Press releases, including those talking about "best selling distribution" during the last six months. However, as usuall in the Linux universe, it is allmost impossible to find out what is a real impact of the Mandrake compared to other distributions. One of the rare places which tries to follow the world-wide development of the linux-use is the http://www.linuxcounter.org">Linux counter, a non-profit organisation dedicated to counting the linux users, and gathering of the general Linux-related statistics. While this info certainly lacks accuracy (registering is voluntaryly and less than 1% of users actually register), it is the best freely available statistics on linux usage. Among other things, Linux-counter offers the info on http://www.linuxcounter.org/reports/machines.html">spread of the Linux-distributions. Abouth a month ago, I started to follow the growth of the "Mandrake" distribution - at that time, ca. 1.7% of the registred machines were running the Mandrake. This is obviously not really impressive, but still this has made the Mandrake into sixt-strongest distribution following the Slackware (historical reasons), RedHat, Debian, Suse and DIY. No other distribution exceedes 1% of the registred base. In the meantime, however, Mandrake had the second-fastest absolute growth (approximately 1/2 of the Red-hats growth), and by far the largest "relative growth" of all the distributions. In only one month, the number of registred "Mandrake" machines grew by 27% - for comparison, number of Red-Hat machines grew by only 3%! Obviously, Mandrake-s model of "simple to use" Linux has been very successfull and has a very strongly growing userbase. If Mandrake succeedes in sustaining the current growth rates for the next six months, it will become a very powerfull "player" among the Linux distributions. Because of the Corel-hypo, I just took a look at Corels userbase - it is currently non-existing, but i suppose it is growing rather fast, too. I am not sure if their growth is sustaineable, though - from what I hear the distribution is rather crappy and they still do not understand the Open-Source developement model. In particular they have completely pissed-off the KDE-developers and debian-people aren't really happy either. In case someone is interested in numbers, here it is, for all the distributions with more than 0.1% of the registred machines: 66876 values 535 0.80% distribution:Caldera 1514 2.27% distribution:DIY 115 0.17% distribution:DLD # OK, this is all debian, so kill me. 12884 19.32% distribution:Debian 2340 3.51% distribution:Debian ==DEBIAN-VERSION== 111 0.17% distribution:Debian potato 162 0.24% distribution:LinuxPPC 1287 1.93% distribution:Mandrake 595 0.89% distribution:Other (registrands choice) 19417 29.12% distribution:Red Hat 4249 6.37% distribution:S.u.S.E 415 0.62% distribution:SLS 20605 30.90% distribution:Slackware 68 0.10% distribution:Yggrdrasil 2579 3.87% distribution:Others (sum of smaller distros with less than 0.1% users) cu Denis
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, ibi wrote: > I guess it's a good thing then that I picked Mandrake 6.0 tonight for if > I hadn't made the rescue disk I would never have been able to access it. > :-) > > Pj > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nah, the cdrom it's self makes a pretty handy rescue disk (howto in one of the archives, i'm sure) -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] SO51a new install -- backup still fails!
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Benjamin Sher wrote: > Dear friends: > > Realizing, after what Axalon said, that perhaps I had messed up my > permissions in StarOffice for good, I decided to download a completely > new copy of SO51a from Sun. Before doing anything, I first deinstalled > SO through SOSetup, then deleted every trace of my old SO, including > Office51, the old binary and the .sversionrc file in my /home/sher > directory. > > I then downloaded the new SO51a into my /home partition, specifically, > into /home/sher, then moved it into /home/sher/SO: > I then untarred so51a as USER in this same directory: > > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 sher]$ cd SO > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 SO]$ ls > so51a_lnx_01.tar so51inst > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 SO]$ ls -la > total 69020 > drwxr-xr-x3 sher sher 1024 Nov 30 22:36 . > drwxr-x--- 29 sher sher 2048 Nov 30 22:51 .. > -rw-rw-r--1 sher sher 70393856 Nov 30 22:28 so51a_lnx_01.tar > drwxrwxr-x4 sher sher 1024 Aug 24 07:07 so51inst > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 SO]$ > > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 SO]$ cd so51inst > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 so51inst]$ ls > documentation office51 > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 so51inst]$ ls -la > total 11 > drwxrwxr-x4 sher sher 1024 Aug 24 07:07 . > drwxr-xr-x3 sher sher 1024 Nov 30 22:36 .. > drwxrwxr-x2 sher sher 1024 May 11 1999 documentation > drwxrwxr-x2 sher sher 8192 Aug 24 06:44 office51 > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 so51inst]$ cd office51 > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 office51]$ > > Below are the last files from office51 that relate to the setup. All of > the files in office51 have the same permissions. > > -rw-rw-r--1 sher sher 681 Aug 24 05:44 f_98_1 > -rw-rw-r--1 sher sher81867 Aug 20 03:25 f_99_1 > -rw-rw-r--1 sher sher 1279166 Aug 23 06:52 f_9_1 > -rwxrwxr-x1 sher sher86960 Aug 11 06:49 setup > -rw-rw-r--1 sher sher 275547 Aug 24 06:40 setup.ins > -rw-rw-r--1 sher sher 7040582 Aug 24 06:44 setup.zip > [sher@adsl-77-232-144 office51]$ > > > I then installed Office51 into my /home/sher/Office51 directory as > prompted by SO. > > I then opened StarOffice and checked "Always create backup file" in > Options, General, Save. > > No problem saving whatsoever. No error messages. But no backup either. > Not by using SO's default directory for backups or my own > /home/sher/docs. I can save into either directory but cannot create an > automatic backup. > > Anyone have any idea what's holding things up? Why can I save but not > backup? Do this, File->New->Text document type blah File->close yes to save, file name is blah, Ok Now, File-># (it's 1 if you've fresh install) type "blah blah", so now you have three blahs File->Close yes to save Now look in backup/ > Thanks so very much to everyone. > > Benjamin > > > > > -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Alan Shoemaker wrote: > Axhold it! I don't think so! You mean to tell me that both of my > 6.1 CD's are 'faulty'! Two different CD's from two different sources!? > One is an official MandrakeSoft CD and the other is a LinuxMall CD and > neither one has an /images/rescue sub on it. :-) > > Alan Well son of a, ok not my fault. I just double checked the iso on my ftp and your right. I have no clue how that happened. I don't have a 6.1 boxed set to check the other disks, I do know it was tight on space and they stuck a bunch of stuff elsewhere, I was pretty sure it was on the 6.1 beta but i can't seem to find that cd anywhere =( sorry ladies (and guys, yes ladies always first) > Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > > > > > > On the Mandrake 6.x CD there is a little distribuition that can stay > > > > on a single floppy. Usually I use that little floppy. > > > > > > What are you referring to here? I do not see any such > > > distribution (with the exception of boot.img, bootnet.img, and pcmcia.img > > > in the CDROM/images directory). > > > > > > --Derek > > > > if you don't have a images/rescue/, you have a faulty disk. -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Stoopid FTP Question
:>In standard FTP, "mget" gets a directory at a time. You may :>want to turn prompting off with "prompt". :> :>Better, use ncftp, and don't worry about "prompt". :> :>You might look at sitecopy, which will do what you want, although it isn't :>intended for it. :-) Or "wget" which is intended for it. cu Denis
[expert] answer and a new question
:>> Is it possible to have windows 98 share drives using nfs instead of :>> samba? :> :>Short Answer: NO :> :>Longer Answer :NO! :> Both answers are wrong AFAIK. Right answer is YES and NO. However, I am not sure if I am really going to recomend it. - Vanilla windows cannot do it. - However, (AFAIR) Reflection comes with a tool for mounting NFS directories, and using "lpd" printers. I am not sure if there are any other tools and how much would it cost. I am also not sure how does the NFS-mounting on windows machine reflect the user-ID structure in UNIX machine. It is probably not particulary sensible to allow windoze machines to use NFS-mounts at all, unless you really have a FULL controle over them. With all the due respect towards NFS (i use it all the time), it is inherently extremely insecure - anyone with a root password (or DOS machine) who is allowed to access the shares can access anyones data - all he needs is to install a user with appropriate user ID, su to this user and voila! The damn bloated SMB-protocol at least wants to have a user-password for every share... Saying this, I have some questions myself - anyone knows how to allow users to use "smbmount?". Last time I tried, only root could use it. - Can automounter (amd or autofs) be tweaked on mounting smb-shares on request? - Is there some way to let "smbmount" mount some dirs on boot, whithouth having to write the unencripted (smb) password in "rc.local"? cu Denis --- Denis Havlik ||| http://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik (@ @) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oOO--(_)--OOo-
Re: [expert] Rescue.img
I guess it's a good thing then that I picked Mandrake 6.0 tonight for if I hadn't made the rescue disk I would never have been able to access it. :-) Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] SO51a Save/backup -- Solved! (mostly)
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Steve Philp wrote: > Bug Hunter wrote: [..] > > DOS and Wind*ws and Mac applications and OS tends to hold peoples hands, > > making it more difficult (not impossible) to screw up an installation to > > the point a single user can't use it. Mind you I'm not talking about > > security. > > You must not be talking about a user that installs applications into > those environments either. Seriously, Windows won't let a user screw it > up? Ha ha. And that sentiment goes for security issues as well. You own the worlds must customizable (prove me wrong or stfu.) operating system and your gonna complain about this? In less than a day (i'm being generous) you can lock down a mandrake(virtualy any linux, for that matter) system, so as the only way damage can be caused (without a hammer) is unpluging it. Look at the cobalt cubes, or any of the other similar systems. Now compare any of those to our friend (Not!) the dreamcast, that bloody thing locks up more often than my K6 when i turn on it's non-exsistant external cache in the bios, and it only has a gamepad for an interface and no (persay) storage space. [...] > > However, only 5 to 10 percent of the world can handle a computer with > > any reasonable certainty of success. The other 90 to 95 percent need an > > appliance, but think they want a computer. To get linux into their hands, > > it needs to be more like an appliance. And that includes application > > installs. > > No, it just means that the personal computer is the wrong solution. > Take WebTV, as an example. Need to send email and do occasional web > surfing? Why bother with the maintenance and cost of a PC when you can > have a bulletproof box for $200 and never have to worry about it. Double that and get that snazzy Phillips digital recorder that they are spewing in the late night infomercials ;) (no really i don't like gadgets, and somebody owes me one of these boxes for endorcing them) > Keep in mind, however, that appliances like WebTV don't exclude Linux. > They simply hide the complexity for the given task. The linux equivilant isn't very far off > > As much as I hate to admit it, Corel might be on the right path. They > > don't have it right yet, but they are heading the right direction. > > For a specific market, yes. Whether it's a significant market will > remain to be seen. *sigh* Still haven't seen it, you guys have all the fun -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
