Re: [expert] How to use tcpd with xinetd?

[David Guntner]

Gregor Maier grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
>
> You also have to add NAMEINARGS to the flags option in the xinetd.d/wu-ftp file.
> Have a look at man xinetd.conf  for more info about tcpd and xinetd

That did it!  Thanks.  Found it in the man page and put it in.  tcpd didn't 
log anything in the syslog, but I'm sure I can find where to turn that on.  
Hopefully. :-)

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Re: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[David Guntner]

Vincent Danen grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> 
> Have you tried restarting xfs?
> 
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart
> 
> xfs is the X Font Server.  Might help.

I was running a tail of my syslog at the time, and drakfont apparently 
kicked the Font Server when it thought it had installed the fonts.  I saw a 
"Font Server Restarted" message appear there.  I tried your above 
suggestion after reading it, though.  No effect.  The fonts which it 
supposedly installed for me are still invisible to me

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Re: [expert] How to use tcpd with xinetd?

[David Guntner]

Bart Vetters grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> 
> > I want to use tcp_wrapper to provide an extra layer of control to those 
> > services which I allow, but I'm not sure how to go about doing this.
> 
> There's two ways. Well, not really two ways, you'll see what I mean.
> 
> - It is no longer necessary to use TCP wrappers with the tcpd daemon. All
>   of the network daemons installed with Mandrake 8 come with tcp wrappers
>   support compiled in (using the tender services of libwrap I believe).
>   This means that these daemons will check hosts.allow and hosts.deny
>   without intervention of tcpd. 
>   A caveat: I am not a Mandrake employee and currently do not have access
>   to a Mandrake 8 machine to check (a simple ldd of in.telnetd should
>   confirm or deny), so I'm not 100% sure the above is correct, and in a
>   security related matter less than 100% is not always enough :).

I did a "ldd /usr/bin/in.ftpd" but didn't see anything in the output which 
suggested that tcpd was part of it.  I did not see anything called libwrap, 
either.  Is there something else I should be looking for?

> - For those with fond memories of tcpd, you can still call it from xinetd
>   as such:
> 
>   server = /usr/sbin/tcpd
>   server_args = in.telnetd
> 
>   Another caveat: I'm not sure of the syntax of the above, and have as
>   mentioned no access to a LM8 machine, but I seem to remember the above
>   being the correct options. Anyway, man xinetd should provide more help.

I'll try digging through the man page again and see if I can find what I 
missed when trying to look this up.  I tried chaging as above to have it 
read:

server  = /usr/sbin/tcpd
server_args = /usr/sbin/in.ftpd -l -a

(the "-l -a" was in that field originally, so I left 'em in).  Restarted 
xinetd, did a telnet to localhost 21 to see if it would let me in, and 
while I did connect, I never got the greeting message from wu-ftpd.  Also, 
I noticed that I kept getting short bursts of LOTS of disk activity after 
that, even after I closed the connection.  Even after putting 
/etc/xinetd.d/wu-ftpd back to normal and restarting xinetd again.  Started 
top up and found that there was now a running tcpd process that was sucking 
up lots of CPU time. :-)  Killed it and the disk activity went away.  Beats 
me what all the disk activity was about; I can't see anything in /var/log, 
and I had a tail running on syslog, so it wasn't doing stuff there.

Thanks for the reply.  Hopefully, you've got me pointed in the right 
direction. :-)  With a little luck, I might find whatever it was that I 
missed when looking in the xinetd man page last time

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[expert] [angus@gabriel.psyc.uow.edu.au: for expert]

[Angus Beath]

Hey Everyone,
I'm getting this error many many times when booting up. I've set up
Bastille, using Interactive. I'm running 8.1r3 but have seen this
problem since 8.0. Any ideas on how to fix it up?

Sep 18 12:19:00 storm bastille-firewall: Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables
--help' for more information.
Sep 18 12:19:00 storm bastille-firewall: iptables v1.2.2: log-level
`--log-prefix' unknown


Thanks for any help.
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Re: [expert] oracle install

[A V Flinsch]

On Monday 17 September 2001 09:54 am, Moses Backman III wrote:

> 8.1 BETA3.  with all updates (glibc included) i still can only launch
> the OUI.  when i click "next" nothing happens.  reviewing the archives,

This is a common problem. If you have your numlock on, turn it off, then 
try again.

Yeah, I know it does not make sense -- why should the numlock key impact 
a gui button, but that's Java for you

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Re: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[etharp]

shoot me for sounding winders-ish but have you tried either rebooting or 
restarting the font server? (service xfs restart? I think I might shut down x 
when I tried it) 

On Monday 17 September 2001 17:19, you wrote:
> David Joham grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> > I've had problems with DrakFont never finishing an import of fonts,
> > although that doesn't seem to be what you're seeing.
> >
> > Try going into a KDE editor and seeing if the font shows up. DrakFont
> > may be caching its font list. If the font does show up, well then your
> > on your way. If not, I would scan the net for HOWTOs on installing fonts
> > the "real" way rather than through DrakFont.
>
> Thanks again for the reply.  I tried bringing up Netscape under KDE, and it
> didn't show the font as being available to it.  Also, running kedit (a text
> editor, which I think is a KDE thing - at least it was on the Editors
> menu), the font doesn't show up there, either.
>
> If anyone can point me to a HOWTO on this, it would save me a lot of time.
>
> :-)  In the meantime, I'll start looking.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [expert] Linux in Spanish

[Jesus Roncero]

El Mar 18 Sep 2001 01:50, Randy Donohoe escribió:
> Are there very many books on Linux that are written in Spanish? Also,
> are there any distributions in Spanish?

Well, most distros are translated into Spanish. Not only the desktop, but 
many commands and man pages as well. There are a bunch of books in Spanish, 
most of them are translations from English books but there are some of them 
that are originally written in Spanish. Are you interested in any of them?

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Re: [expert] irq conflict

[Tom Badran]

On Monday 17 September 2001 11:00 pm, you wrote:
> I can't help you here specifically, but *make sure* you've disabled all
> unnecessary serial and parallel ports (and other useless motherboard
> peripherals) in the BIOS setup.  My feeling is removing the two serial
> ports alone and resetting the ECSD data should solve the problem.
>
> Check the kernel log by the program dmesg; it's possible to use the kernel
> module the video card needs an IRQ
>

This is definately the case, as after disabling irq for vga in the bios, 
/proc/pci reported the same graphices device, but this time without an IRQ.

Sad;y its gonna be about a week before i can test any of this as my friend 
has gone to switzerland, and i dont have root access to his machine.

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Re: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[Vincent Danen]

On Mon Sep 17, 2001 at 01:34:07PM -0700, David Guntner wrote:

> > I'm not sure you're supposed to pick the fonts you want when you are in
> > DrakFont. I always just browse to the directory where the ttf files are
> > and then hit OK. After that, I get another dialog window that allows me
> > to finish the process.
> 
> Ah, ok.  I tried that, and - er - I *think* it worked. :-)  I hit ok as you 
> suggested, and then it gave me a list of font files.  I selected arial.ttf 
> and clicked on "Install selected fonts."  I then selected "Strong 
> Verification."  It said it installed it, but the font doesn't show up on my 
> list of fonts in the DrakFont window.  I tried it again with "Normal" and 
> again it seemed to install, but it still doesn't show up.  I even exited 
> the program and restarted, but it's not showing up.  Any ideas?  Do I need 
> to restart X to get the installed fonts to register?  Something else that 
> I'm missing?

Have you tried restarting xfs?

/etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart

xfs is the X Font Server.  Might help.

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Re: [expert] How to use tcpd with xinetd?

[Bart Vetters]

Hi Dave,

> I want to use tcp_wrapper to provide an extra layer of control to those 
> services which I allow, but I'm not sure how to go about doing this.

There's two ways. Well, not really two ways, you'll see what I mean.

- It is no longer necessary to use TCP wrappers with the tcpd daemon. All
  of the network daemons installed with Mandrake 8 come with tcp wrappers
  support compiled in (using the tender services of libwrap I believe).
  This means that these daemons will check hosts.allow and hosts.deny
  without intervention of tcpd. 
  A caveat: I am not a Mandrake employee and currently do not have access
  to a Mandrake 8 machine to check (a simple ldd of in.telnetd should
  confirm or deny), so I'm not 100% sure the above is correct, and in a
  security related matter less than 100% is not always enough :).

- For those with fond memories of tcpd, you can still call it from xinetd
  as such:

  server = /usr/sbin/tcpd
  server_args = in.telnetd

  Another caveat: I'm not sure of the syntax of the above, and have as
  mentioned no access to a LM8 machine, but I seem to remember the above
  being the correct options. Anyway, man xinetd should provide more help.

Hope this helps you.

CU

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RE: [expert] 686.rpm's

[Franki]

not really, depends what you are using it for...

doing the kernel can help...

I think it amounts to about 3-5% speed increase,, sometimes more...

hope that helps..


rgds

Frank

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Is the benefit enough to actually bother going through and rebuilding?
All the rpm's with mandrake 8.1 are 586, since I'm running a PIII is it
worth it to rebuild, uninstall the old one and reinstall the new one?






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Re: [expert] 686.rpm's

[ryan_steffes]

Is the benefit enough to actually bother going through and rebuilding?
All the rpm's with mandrake 8.1 are 586, since I'm running a PIII is it
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Re: [expert] Sendmail

[Bart Vetters]

Hi Julio,

>   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
><[3][EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>(reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
>   - Transcript of session follows -
>553 5.3.5 ns2.c-com.net.ve. config error: mail loops back to me (MX
>problem?)
>554 5.3.5 Local configuration error

Sendmail has detected a mail loop and justly refused to deliver the mail
(I've seen mail loops do very ugly things to a perfectly nice machine).

Now just why this particular mail would enter a loop is unclear. From DNS
lookups, one sees that the machine to deliver the @enertec.com.ve mail to
is on the same network (or at least, with an adress very close to -
whois.networksolutions.com is too busy right now to answer queries) as
ns2.c-com.net.ve, which is the machine attempting to deliver the mail. This
machine is coincidently also a DNS server for c-com.net.ve. 
All of the above gives rise to the suspicion that perhaps the machines
mail.truevision.net (MX for enertec.com.ve) and ns2.c-com.net.ve are in
fact the same machine with differnet network interfaces (or one network
interface with some form of IP overloading). That could explain the above
error and is quite easy to resolve: just tell sendmail on ns2.c-com.net.ve
to deliver mail for enertec.com.ve locally by adding this domain 
/etc/mail/sendmail.cw (or wherever you keep your sendmail config files).

CU

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Re: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[ddcharles]

Hi,

I am hoping that someone can help this guy out;  I also have a similar
problem when trying to use "Get Windows fonts";  when I click on get
windows fonts, and select the fonts, it just hangs, and drakfont NEVER
responds (I even tried leaving it on over night once) so I have to kill
it.

Thanks,
David Charles

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, David Guntner wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm using drakfont to examine the fonts that I have available to me. If I
> click on "Get Windows fonts", it complains that there's no Windows
> partition on my machine - which, strictly speaking, is true.  It tells me
> to use 'Add fonts" instead.  Now, I *do* have a Windows 98 machine running
> on my little home network here, and its C: drive is mounted on the Linux
> machine as /mnt/c.  I can cd to /mnt/c/windows/fonts just fine and look at
> the files, etc.  However, if I use "Add fonts" and work my way over to that
> directory, any font file that I try to click on doesn't get selected, and
> if I manually type the font file name into the "Selection:" box and click
> ok, I get an error message.  It doesn't bother to tell me what the problem
> is, it just say "Error while opening '/mnt/c/WINDOWS/FONTS/arial.tif' (as
> an example).
>
> So, two questions here:  One, is there any way that I can fool drakfont
> into using /mnt/c/windows/fonts as a Windows Font directory, so that "Get
> Windows fonts" will work?  And two, is there any way to clear up whatever
> the error is when I try to select a font manually?
>
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Re: [expert] spaces and command line

[Pierre Fortin]

"David E. Fox" wrote:
> 
> Sometimes putting double quotes around the filename helps too. In some
> cases, you can put a left double quote then use tab completion to call up
> the right file, then append another double quote.

or even ignore the '"' and just use tab-completion which will add backslashes as
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RE: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[David Guntner]

David Joham grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> 
> I've had problems with DrakFont never finishing an import of fonts,
> although that doesn't seem to be what you're seeing.
> 
> Try going into a KDE editor and seeing if the font shows up. DrakFont
> may be caching its font list. If the font does show up, well then your
> on your way. If not, I would scan the net for HOWTOs on installing fonts
> the "real" way rather than through DrakFont.

Thanks again for the reply.  I tried bringing up Netscape under KDE, and it 
didn't show the font as being available to it.  Also, running kedit (a text 
editor, which I think is a KDE thing - at least it was on the Editors 
menu), the font doesn't show up there, either.

If anyone can point me to a HOWTO on this, it would save me a lot of time. 
:-)  In the meantime, I'll start looking.  Thanks!

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[expert] Oracle8i 8.1.6.1 install on Mandrake 8

[DStevenson]

HI chaps,

I have just completed a marathon install of Oracle8i on my Mandrake 8.0 
server. I have documented my install and put it into a howto format, mainly 
so that I could repeat the procedure. But if it can help anyone else, its 
there for the reading.

I would like to receive some feedback, as Mandrake have shown an interest in 
hosting it. 

So if there are any like minded Oracle techies out there, can you take a 
critical look at http://www.security-soft.co.uk/oracle

Cheers for now.

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RE: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[David Joham]

I've had problems with DrakFont never finishing an import of fonts,
although that doesn't seem to be what you're seeing.

Try going into a KDE editor and seeing if the font shows up. DrakFont
may be caching its font list. If the font does show up, well then your
on your way. If not, I would scan the net for HOWTOs on installing fonts
the "real" way rather than through DrakFont.

HTH

David


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?


David Joham grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure you're supposed to pick the fonts you want when you are
in
> DrakFont. I always just browse to the directory where the ttf files
are
> and then hit OK. After that, I get another dialog window that allows
me
> to finish the process.

Ah, ok.  I tried that, and - er - I *think* it worked. :-)  I hit ok as
you 
suggested, and then it gave me a list of font files.  I selected
arial.ttf 
and clicked on "Install selected fonts."  I then selected "Strong 
Verification."  It said it installed it, but the font doesn't show up on
my 
list of fonts in the DrakFont window.  I tried it again with "Normal"
and 
again it seemed to install, but it still doesn't show up.  I even exited

the program and restarted, but it's not showing up.  Any ideas?  Do I
need 
to restart X to get the installed fonts to register?  Something else
that 
I'm missing?

Thanks for the reply!

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RE: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[David Guntner]

David Joham grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure you're supposed to pick the fonts you want when you are in
> DrakFont. I always just browse to the directory where the ttf files are
> and then hit OK. After that, I get another dialog window that allows me
> to finish the process.

Ah, ok.  I tried that, and - er - I *think* it worked. :-)  I hit ok as you 
suggested, and then it gave me a list of font files.  I selected arial.ttf 
and clicked on "Install selected fonts."  I then selected "Strong 
Verification."  It said it installed it, but the font doesn't show up on my 
list of fonts in the DrakFont window.  I tried it again with "Normal" and 
again it seemed to install, but it still doesn't show up.  I even exited 
the program and restarted, but it's not showing up.  Any ideas?  Do I need 
to restart X to get the installed fonts to register?  Something else that 
I'm missing?

Thanks for the reply!

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RE: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[David Joham]

I'm not sure you're supposed to pick the fonts you want when you are in
DrakFont. I always just browse to the directory where the ttf files are
and then hit OK. After that, I get another dialog window that allows me
to finish the process.

HTH

David

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Subject: [expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?


Hi,

I'm using drakfont to examine the fonts that I have available to me. If
I 
click on "Get Windows fonts", it complains that there's no Windows 
partition on my machine - which, strictly speaking, is true.  It tells
me 
to use 'Add fonts" instead.  Now, I *do* have a Windows 98 machine
running 
on my little home network here, and its C: drive is mounted on the Linux

machine as /mnt/c.  I can cd to /mnt/c/windows/fonts just fine and look
at 
the files, etc.  However, if I use "Add fonts" and work my way over to
that 
directory, any font file that I try to click on doesn't get selected,
and 
if I manually type the font file name into the "Selection:" box and
click 
ok, I get an error message.  It doesn't bother to tell me what the
problem 
is, it just say "Error while opening '/mnt/c/WINDOWS/FONTS/arial.tif'
(as 
an example).

So, two questions here:  One, is there any way that I can fool drakfont 
into using /mnt/c/windows/fonts as a Windows Font directory, so that
"Get 
Windows fonts" will work?  And two, is there any way to clear up
whatever 
the error is when I try to select a font manually?

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RE: [expert] How to use tcpd with xinetd?

[David Guntner]

Franki grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
>
> I thought everything in xinetd was protected by tcp_wrappers

It is?  Anyone know how I would find out for sure?  I've used tcp_wrappers 
in the past, and tcpd has always made a log entry in the syslog file when 
someone connected - and I'm not seeing *anything* from tcpd showing up 
there

> I had xinetd setup to connect pop3, and it was working, then I added a
> client machine to hosts.deny and that machine could no longer collect its
> mail,, so I just assumed???

I don't have anything in my hosts.deny file, so I wouldn't know.  I'll have 
to play with it a bit.  But if tcpd *is* in the loop, I would sure like to 
know how to get tcpd to log what it's doing in the syslog

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[expert] Windows fonts with Mandrake 8.0?

[David Guntner]

Hi,

I'm using drakfont to examine the fonts that I have available to me. If I 
click on "Get Windows fonts", it complains that there's no Windows 
partition on my machine - which, strictly speaking, is true.  It tells me 
to use 'Add fonts" instead.  Now, I *do* have a Windows 98 machine running 
on my little home network here, and its C: drive is mounted on the Linux 
machine as /mnt/c.  I can cd to /mnt/c/windows/fonts just fine and look at 
the files, etc.  However, if I use "Add fonts" and work my way over to that 
directory, any font file that I try to click on doesn't get selected, and 
if I manually type the font file name into the "Selection:" box and click 
ok, I get an error message.  It doesn't bother to tell me what the problem 
is, it just say "Error while opening '/mnt/c/WINDOWS/FONTS/arial.tif' (as 
an example).

So, two questions here:  One, is there any way that I can fool drakfont 
into using /mnt/c/windows/fonts as a Windows Font directory, so that "Get 
Windows fonts" will work?  And two, is there any way to clear up whatever 
the error is when I try to select a font manually?

  --Dave

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RE: [expert] 486 question

[George Jones (IT)]

Title: 486 question



BAH! I 
was really hoping I could do it without resorting to installing RH7.1. I have it 
installed on one of my pc's already and it runs terribly slow compared to MDK7.2 
on my main pc.
 
George E. Jones IVStore Systems SupportBorders Group 
Inc. 
 

  -Original Message-From: Franki 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 
  3:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
  [expert] 486 question
  Think you are out of luck I am afraid... they won't 
  install...
   
  you 
  could load mdk 7 and then use it to compile all the src rpm's from 7.2 (a long 
  job I am afraid) to i486, and assuming that glibc and so on are compatable, 
  (they probably are) then you would eventually have a total 486 version of 
  7.2
   
  you 
  are better of to get redhat 7.1 last time I checked, they are still compiling 
  for i386... so that should run on your 486 just fine
   
  rgds
   
  Frank
  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of George Jones 
(IT)Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 3:09 AMTo: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [expert] 486 
question
Got a little dillema... I have a 486 that I'd 
like to load LM 7.2 on. Problem is that  Mandrake has no 486 support 
save the lonely 7.0 cd. Can I install the normal 586 distro on my 486 and 
recompile the kernel with 486 support or am I out of luck? 
(BTW, it's a 486/66 w/100MB ram, 1.7GB hd, 12x 
CDROM, and a pair of 3Com ISA nics) 
George E. Jones IV Store Systems Support Borders Group Inc. 

RE: [expert] 486 question

[Franki]

Title: 486 question



Think 
you are out of luck I am afraid... they won't install...
 
you 
could load mdk 7 and then use it to compile all the src rpm's from 7.2 (a long 
job I am afraid) to i486, and assuming that glibc and so on are compatable, 
(they probably are) then you would eventually have a total 486 version of 
7.2
 
you 
are better of to get redhat 7.1 last time I checked, they are still compiling 
for i386... so that should run on your 486 just fine
 
rgds
 
Frank

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of George Jones (IT)Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 
  3:09 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [expert] 
  486 question
  Got a little dillema... I have a 486 that I'd like 
  to load LM 7.2 on. Problem is that  Mandrake has no 486 support save the 
  lonely 7.0 cd. Can I install the normal 586 distro on my 486 and recompile the 
  kernel with 486 support or am I out of luck? 
  (BTW, it's a 486/66 w/100MB ram, 1.7GB hd, 12x 
  CDROM, and a pair of 3Com ISA nics) 
  George E. Jones IV Store Systems Support Borders Group Inc. 

RE: [expert] Network Setup Help

[Franki]

ok, I 
may be able to help here...
 
 
1. Get 
webmin running, https and can do more then you think,, there is also a firewall 
module you can get at www.webmin.com (if its 
not already in the 8.1 version)
 
Webmin 
can even burn CD's and format partitions remotely. and it does servers like 
sendmail, apache, postfix, samba are all covered as well.
 
I 
recently came across an article on evolution... the screen shots I saw looked 
alot like outlook 2000, so much so, that I had to look twice to make sure it 
wasn't...
 
don't 
know about collaboration, but its worth checking out... I have heard of a few 
dropin replacements for exchange server and clients, but I can't think of any at 
the moment... sorry :-( I'll keep lookin though my directory of the ten thousand 
links and if I find them, I'll post them.
 
 
 
As far 
as network intursion detection, look into snort (snort.org) or prelude 
(mandrake suports prelude, but its alot newer then snort, which has been 
developing for quite a while and has a large user base..(they also ported it to 
win32)
 
 
rgds
 
Frank
 
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Dylan TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 3:08 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [expert] Network 
  Setup Help
  
  I have just installed my 
  1st Linux box and oh my god is it sooo S-E-X-Y!!!  M$ 
  has certainly taken a lot from this community.  I should know because up 
  until recently, I was a tried and true M$ supporter. (I even hold a MCP + 
  Internet certification)  Specifically, I want to use the following 
  services from Beta 3 LM8.1:
   
  Firewall/Router:  What is the 
  best and most secure with a web interface for administration?  I will 
  also use DHCP.
  Email:    Is there 
  an ALL encompassing package that offers the same features of Exchange?  
  Despite the consensus, Exchange is an excellent collaboration email server and 
  if actively maintained virus population is never an issue.  My plan is to 
  configure a linux-based email server as a fall-back to the Exchange Server. 
    
  Proxy:  Is there anything 
  better than Squid?
   
  Is there a dedicated program for 
  Intrusion detection and network monitoring of multiple OS’s?  
  
   
   
  TIA
   
   
   
   
  Dylan Taylor
  Univessence Digital 
  Studios
  www.univessence.com
  voice 310 397-6900 
  
   

[expert] 486 question

[George Jones (IT)]

Title: 486 question





Got a little dillema... I have a 486 that I'd like to load LM 7.2 on. Problem is that  Mandrake has no 486 support save the lonely 7.0 cd. Can I install the normal 586 distro on my 486 and recompile the kernel with 486 support or am I out of luck? 

(BTW, it's a 486/66 w/100MB ram, 1.7GB hd, 12x CDROM, and a pair of 3Com ISA nics)


George E. Jones IV
Store Systems Support
Borders Group Inc. 

RE: [expert] 686.rpm's

[Franki]

basically, if you have a Pentium Pro, PII or above (including Duron's &
Athlon's) then you can load i686 rpms no worries, regardless if the rest of
the distro is i586 in fact it is a good idea to do so... might as well
get some small extra for your hard earned CPU...

only thing to watch, if you have a K6 (or below), or just a pentium, then
get the i586, or build an rpm from the src as detailed in other posts...

rgds

Frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vincent Danen
Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 1:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] 686.rpm's


On Mon Sep 17, 2001 at 08:13:21AM +0200, Gregor Maier wrote:

> >> Hi, I have to ask.
> >> I found a program, but is fixed as a 686 rpm and mandrake has the
> >> installation of its system as 586 rpm's..
> >> I need to know if there will be any problems if I installed a 686.rpm
on a
> >> system thats running all 586.rpm's..
> >>
> >> Harold
> >
> > I don't think so... but anyway if you're concerned why not grab the
src.rpm
> > of the application you want to use and rebuild it in your own system, as
it
> > is easy and simple to do...
> >
> > rmp --rebuild file_name.src.rpm and install the resulting rpm
> >
> But if he's running a 686 based system (PentiumPro, PII, PIII, ...) then
will
> still get i686.rpm (at least with the standard mandrake compiler flags)

rpm --rebuild file_name.src.rpm --target=i586

But if he has a i686 machine, then installing an i686 rpm on Mandrake
makes no difference.  You can install i386 packages on an i586-default
system, or i686 packages on an i386-default system (like RH) provided
your processor supports it.  Ie. installing a ppc.rpm won't work, but
installing a i686.rpm will.

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RE: [expert] How to use tcpd with xinetd?

[Franki]

I thought everything in xinetd was protected by tcp_wrappers

I had xinetd setup to connect pop3, and it was working, then I added a
client machine to hosts.deny and that machine could no longer collect its
mail,, so I just assumed???


rgds


Frank

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Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 1:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] How to use tcpd with xinetd?


I want to use tcp_wrapper to provide an extra layer of control to those
services which I allow, but I'm not sure how to go about doing this.

As an example, in my /etc/xinetd.d directory, for wu-ftpd, I changed the
"server" line to read:

server  = /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.ftpd

but all that does is give me an error message when someone tries to connect
to the FTP port instead of allowing them access to FTP.

So, how to I tell xinetd to run a connection through tcpd so that it can
decide to simply log the connection and pass it on or slam the door in the
face of the person trying to connect?  The above format would work  in the
old /etc/inetd.conf file (modified for the correct syntax, of course).

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[expert] Network Setup Help

[Dylan Taylor]

I have just installed my 1st Linux box and oh my
god is it sooo S-E-X-Y!!!  M$ has certainly taken a lot from this
community.  I should know because up until recently, I was a tried and true M$
supporter. (I even hold a MCP + Internet certification)  Specifically, I want
to use the following services from Beta 3 LM8.1:

 

Firewall/Router:  What is the best and most secure with a
web interface for administration?  I will also use DHCP.

Email:    Is there an ALL encompassing package that offers
the same features of Exchange?  Despite the consensus, Exchange is an excellent
collaboration email server and if actively maintained virus population is never
an issue.  My plan is to configure a linux-based email server as a fall-back to
the Exchange Server.   

Proxy:  Is there anything better than Squid?

 

Is there a dedicated program for Intrusion detection and
network monitoring of multiple OS’s?  

 

 

TIA

 

 

 

 

Dylan Taylor

Univessence Digital Studios

www.univessence.com

voice 310 397-6900 

 

Re: [expert] Sendmail

[Julio Rodriguez]

sorry for the Html thing... but i just install the OE and it has it for
default

The configuration of my sendmail seems to be fine, and I can use virtual
server couse' I the other domain isn't in the same server...

Any other suggest?


- Original Message -
From: "Michael D. Viron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Sendmail


> First, please do not post HTML e-mail to the list, as with many e-mail
> clients (including mine), it comes out garbled (light font colors, small
> (less than 10pt) fonts, and / or with all the formatting removed).
Posting
> text-only messages to this mailing list will increase the chances that you
> might get a response.
>
> Basically sendmail or postfix is configured incorrectly.  A good idea
would
> be to remove, then re-install sendmail or postfix.  Also, if the machine's
> dns name is server.somedomain.com, and you are trying to support e-mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (also on server.somedomain.com), then
> someotherdomain.com must be in the virtual name file for sendmail (under
> /etc/mail, I think), otherwise you will get that error message.
>
> Michael
>
> --
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> Registered Linux User #81978
> Senior Systems & Administration Consultant
> Web Spinners, University of West Florida
>
> At 12:50 PM 09/17/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> 
>  - Original Message -  From: Julio
> Rodriguez  To:  href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>Lista de Correo
> (Newbie)  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: [newbie]
> Sendmail
> Can anyone tell me what is this error that  maildelivery sends to
> me and how can I fix it???  I'm running sendmail 8.12
>- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors  -
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
>
>- Transcript of  session follows -
> 553 5.3.5 ns2.c-com.net.ve. config error: mail loops  back to me (MX
problem?)
> 554 5.3.5 Local configuration  error
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: [expert] 686.rpm's

[Vincent Danen]

On Mon Sep 17, 2001 at 08:13:21AM +0200, Gregor Maier wrote:

> >> Hi, I have to ask.
> >> I found a program, but is fixed as a 686 rpm and mandrake has the
> >> installation of its system as 586 rpm's..
> >> I need to know if there will be any problems if I installed a 686.rpm on a
> >> system thats running all 586.rpm's..
> >>
> >> Harold
> > 
> > I don't think so... but anyway if you're concerned why not grab the src.rpm 
> > of the application you want to use and rebuild it in your own system, as it 
> > is easy and simple to do...
> > 
> > rmp --rebuild file_name.src.rpm and install the resulting rpm
> > 
> But if he's running a 686 based system (PentiumPro, PII, PIII, ...) then will
> still get i686.rpm (at least with the standard mandrake compiler flags)

rpm --rebuild file_name.src.rpm --target=i586

But if he has a i686 machine, then installing an i686 rpm on Mandrake
makes no difference.  You can install i386 packages on an i586-default
system, or i686 packages on an i386-default system (like RH) provided
your processor supports it.  Ie. installing a ppc.rpm won't work, but
installing a i686.rpm will.

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[expert] How to use tcpd with xinetd?

[David Guntner]

I want to use tcp_wrapper to provide an extra layer of control to those 
services which I allow, but I'm not sure how to go about doing this.

As an example, in my /etc/xinetd.d directory, for wu-ftpd, I changed the 
"server" line to read:

server  = /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.ftpd

but all that does is give me an error message when someone tries to connect 
to the FTP port instead of allowing them access to FTP.

So, how to I tell xinetd to run a connection through tcpd so that it can 
decide to simply log the connection and pass it on or slam the door in the 
face of the person trying to connect?  The above format would work  in the 
old /etc/inetd.conf file (modified for the correct syntax, of course).

 --Dave

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Re: [expert] Sendmail

[Michael D. Viron]

First, please do not post HTML e-mail to the list, as with many e-mail
clients (including mine), it comes out garbled (light font colors, small
(less than 10pt) fonts, and / or with all the formatting removed).  Posting
text-only messages to this mailing list will increase the chances that you
might get a response.

Basically sendmail or postfix is configured incorrectly.  A good idea would
be to remove, then re-install sendmail or postfix.  Also, if the machine's
dns name is server.somedomain.com, and you are trying to support e-mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (also on server.somedomain.com), then
someotherdomain.com must be in the virtual name file for sendmail (under
/etc/mail, I think), otherwise you will get that error message.

Michael

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At 12:50 PM 09/17/2001 -0400, you wrote: 

 - Original Message -  From: Julio
Rodriguez  To:  href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>Lista de Correo
(Newbie)  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: [newbie]
Sendmail 
Can anyone tell me what is this error that  maildelivery sends to
me and how can I fix it???  I'm running sendmail 8.12 
   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors  -
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)

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[expert] Sendmail

[Julio Rodriguez]

 
- Original Message - 
From: Julio Rodriguez 

To: Lista de Correo (Newbie) 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: [newbie] Sendmail


Can anyone tell me what is this error that 
maildelivery sends to me
and how can I fix it???
 
I'm running sendmail 8.12
 
 
 
 
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-<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>    
(reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)   - Transcript of 
session follows -553 5.3.5 ns2.c-com.net.ve. config error: mail loops 
back to me (MX problem?)554 5.3.5 Local configuration 
error


 

Re: [expert] Need help with LM8.0 and IDE

[Gary A. Garibaldi]

I have the Abit KT7A and have upgraded my BIO to KT73R dated 7/13/01 from the 
Abit site in Taiwan. That seems to have fixed my problems. If I recall they 
also had BIO upgrades for KT7 and KT7-RAID.  You might want to give them a 
try.
-- 

Thank you.
-
Gary A. Garibaldi
Linux-Mandrake 8.0
Registered Linux User: 188550

Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good.

  9:50am  up 18:51,  1 user,  load average: 1.05, 1.48, 1.81


On Monday 17 September 2001 08:27 am, you wrote:
> I've posted before about problems with a Abit KT7-RAID motherboard and a
> WD Caviar 200BB drive in the ATA100 controller.  I'm getting errors like
> "hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady Seek Complete Error }" and "hda"
> dma_intr: error=0x84 {DriveStatusError Bad CRC}"
>
> Civilme from Mandrake suggested the WD drives can't handle the throughput
> of the ATA100 interface.  I've tried turning UDMA off in the BIOS, as well
> as setting the PIO mode to 2, and using a different IDE cable (these are
> the Ultra ATA/66 cables that came with this motherboard and another
> similar one).  I've tried a Samsung 5400 rpm drive, and now an IBM
> Deskstar 7200 rpm drive, and I'm getting the same error messages.  The
> motherboard uses the VIA Apollo KT133 (VT8363 and VT82C686A) and the High
> Point  HPT370 chipsets.
>
> At this point I'm getting desperate.  Should I get a BIOS update? (I
> haven't been able to find one on Abit's site).  Are there BIOS settings
> that can fix the problem?  Is it a Linux problem with these chips?
>
> I rand drakopt and get:
> "Achieved 18.82
> Best speed at 2 mult and
> lookahead 4 was 18.66
> for DMA setting 'UDMA2'"
>
> I really don't know how to interpret this, but since this machine is going
> to be a webserver, I can't affort data corruption.
>
> I'm pretty desperate and would appeciate any advice.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan




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[expert] Need help with LM8.0 and IDE

[Daniel Axtell]

I've posted before about problems with a Abit KT7-RAID motherboard and a
WD Caviar 200BB drive in the ATA100 controller.  I'm getting errors like
"hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady Seek Complete Error }" and "hda"
dma_intr: error=0x84 {DriveStatusError Bad CRC}"

Civilme from Mandrake suggested the WD drives can't handle the throughput
of the ATA100 interface.  I've tried turning UDMA off in the BIOS, as well
as setting the PIO mode to 2, and using a different IDE cable (these are
the Ultra ATA/66 cables that came with this motherboard and another
similar one).  I've tried a Samsung 5400 rpm drive, and now an IBM
Deskstar 7200 rpm drive, and I'm getting the same error messages.  The
motherboard uses the VIA Apollo KT133 (VT8363 and VT82C686A) and the High
Point  HPT370 chipsets.

At this point I'm getting desperate.  Should I get a BIOS update? (I
haven't been able to find one on Abit's site).  Are there BIOS settings
that can fix the problem?  Is it a Linux problem with these chips?

I rand drakopt and get:
"Achieved 18.82
Best speed at 2 mult and 
lookahead 4 was 18.66
for DMA setting 'UDMA2'"

I really don't know how to interpret this, but since this machine is going
to be a webserver, I can't affort data corruption. 

I'm pretty desperate and would appeciate any advice.

Thanks,

Dan





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[expert] Enabling rsh on 8.0

[Albert E. Whale]

When I configure the /etc/xinetd.d/rsh to Disable = no, I get the
following error o rereading the configuration.

Service shell missing attribute server.

Is this due to the extinction of the netkit?
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RE: [expert] Telnet daemon not run!?

[Franki]

are you sure you are running inetd and not xinetd (its replacement) ???

try starting the deamon by starting xinetd and check /etc/xinetd.d for the telnet 
file, and make sure its not disabled.

rgds

Frank 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Seak, Teng-Fong
Sent: Monday, 17 September 2001 7:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] Telnet daemon not run!?


 I've Mandrake 7.2.  I want to run a telnet daemon.  telnet related 
packages are installed.  inet is running properly.  In the configuration 
file, telnet is assigned a port.  But I still can get it to work.  For 
example, I can't do

telnet localhost

 What do I miss?  Thanks in advance.

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[expert] Where can I find XDMCP?

[Seak, Teng-Fong]

 I want also to install XDMCP server so that other users can log 
into my Linux box to do their work.  But I can't find xdmcp package in 
the CD-Rom?  Is it already a part of XFree4?  If yes, how to configure? 
 If no, where to find one?

 Thanks in advance,

 Fong




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[expert] Telnet daemon not run!?

[Seak, Teng-Fong]

 I've Mandrake 7.2.  I want to run a telnet daemon.  telnet related 
packages are installed.  inet is running properly.  In the configuration 
file, telnet is assigned a port.  But I still can get it to work.  For 
example, I can't do

telnet localhost

 What do I miss?  Thanks in advance.

 Fong




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Re: [expert] irq conflict

[Tom Badran]

And now there is more, startx burns up completely:

i get a 'failed to initialize kernel module' (which is installed and loaded 
without error)

And then it complains about not being able to find any screens, although if i 
change XF86Config-4 to use nv as the driver it works fine (for 2d anyway). 

Any more Ideas?

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Re: [expert] Screen resolution

[oscar]

Jasmin Lapalme escribió:
Hi everyone,
    I've just installed Mandrake 8.0 on my PowerPC G4.
The installations
works fine until I reboot for the first time. The resolution of the
screen
is not the right one and I'm unable to change it. I change the setting
to be
able to login in the "text mode" but when I type "startx" to go in
the X
window environment, it is impossible to work. Is there a way to change
the
default resolution without being in X window? I don't know where the
screen
resolution is set.
Thanks
Jasmin
 
As root, type
drakxconf
And go to the section "Display configuration"
Salu2
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Re: [expert] Compile error: -lX11 not found

[James Sparenberg]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:33:47 +0200 (MEST)
Gregor Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On 15-Sep-2001 Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> > Hmm.
> > 
> > Look for "libX11.a", since that's the file that gets compiled into
> > programs.  If it's in /usr/X11R6/lib/ as well, then I'd look at your
> GCC
> > parameters.
> > 
> > It just seems bizarre that it wouldn't work out of the box
> > 
> Why would you use static xlib. IMHO static libs should only be used in
> rare
> cases when you really want, since linking against static libs will the
> cause
> the code of the lib to be added to EACH program you compile.
> 
> The libX11.a for example if more to 2MB. And I don't think that you want
> to
> link those 2Mb to each x-programm you compile.
Gregor,
   Mines only 1.4 megs but that's irrelavant.  It's an age old battle
static vs dynamic libs.  Windows went dynamic and Linux/Unix went straight
down the middle. (you can do either one Viva la choice) Not all programs
use all the libs in a "package" most often it does add less than .5%
"weight" to a binary when you compile static.  Static gives you extreme
portability to the binaries and cuts down your "dependancy overhead" a
lot.  I mean which is easier add 1.4 megs to a 150meg program or ask the
user to download an additional 20 megs in dependancy chains (that might
break their box) It's a problem that will continue to exist as long as the
distro's go their own merry way. To build an app from binary often means
even more downloads as you need the "developer" version instead of the
"user" version.  I build and test apps for a living and let me assure you,
about once a month my box get so fscked up that I have to wipe it and
start all over, just to have an accurate test bed again.  All I pray for
is that the disto's will comply with the LSB and then some.

James

> 
> Gregor
> 
> > On 15 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote:
> > 
> >> On Sat, 2001-09-15 at 08:40, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> >> > Um, this should be simply solved by installing the XFree86-devel
> package,
> >> > no poking-and-tweaking should be required
> >>
> >> The XFree86-devel package was/is installed, however I am still
> getting
> >> this error. I have also checked /etc/ld.so.conf, and /usr/X11R6/lib/
> >> appears in it (and libX11.so is in the /usr/X11R6/lib/ directory).
> >>
> >> I haven't tried the export commands suggested to me, but I will when
> I
> >> get back to this project.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the help,
> >> Dave
> >>
> > 
> > -- 
> >  Overfiend - BTW, after we've discovered X takes all of 1.4
> GIGS
> >to build, are you willing admit that X is bloatware?  =>
> >  KB: there is a 16 1/2 minute gap in my answer
> >  knghtbrd: evidence exists that X is only the *2nd* worst
> windowing
> >   system ;)
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> E-Mail: Gregor Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 17-Sep-2001
> Time: 08:31:29
> --
> 
> 



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