Re: [expert] XFS Vs. ReiserFS
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:12:47PM +1300, Tom Eastman wrote: Mandrake 8.1 has been out for a while now.. and I'm curious... I've used ReiserFS for about a year and loved it, when 8.1 came out I was too chicken to try XFS even though it looked like it was better in a lot of ways. Can anyone tell me what their experiences have been with XFS, now that people have had some time to play with it with Mdk 8.1? Has anyone switched from ReiserFS to XFS and never looked back? What's it like? :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi well, I've been using xfs from 2 days after 8.1 was out on all of my servers, and it works great. (actually I've been using it for much longer on all my sgi's servers...) you should make the switch. Bye -- Haim Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
In my experiance 8.1 is much better than 7.x. BUT, never upgrade your OS as this always seems to break stuff (my cd always fails to work again). Do a good back up and plan for a fresh install every time. It a shame the upgrade procedure doesn't work well, but a fresh install is quicker than and upgrade, which leaves you with some spare time to use the excellent tools to reconfigure a few things. Nick. João Henrique da Silva Nunes Jales Ribeiro wrote: If you've seen a neat icon on your desktop refering to something called mandrake control center you should have already clicked on it. It has a strange feature that allows to QUICKLY share your internet connection. Maybe you've made your share on 7.2 the hard way, i've also done it on 7.1, but it seems to be easier on 8.1, you should check it up. On Wednesday 28 November 2001 22:14, you wrote: In regard to my problems, my internet connection sharing quit working after an upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1. And I had to do a fresh install of 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. At 12:53 PM 11/28/2001 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I installed 8.1 on an old IBM Thinkpad 760XL w/o incident. Perhaps a little more detail might be more constructive... -- Chris Haidinyak -Original Message- From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just to vent: Had a perfectly functioning 7.2 on my laptop. That was easier than any other OS (windows or linux) I tried. Total plug play. Then I decided to try 8.1 for all the updates and extras...what a piece of SH!T! I know a lot of people worked long and hard on this, and I have been a Mandrake supporter since V.7.x I tell people how easy the install is, how they don't need to be a linux guru to get busy doing stuff. Robust, stable, versatile. Now I have to turn around and say to those people, whatever you doDON'T upgrade to MDK8. I am not a guru, but neither am I a novice; I pissed a whole day away trying to have desktops that didn't go flakey, and Multi-Media that worked..No such luck. Now I am going to rollback to 7.2 If Mandrake is still trying to target the average desktop PC user, they will have to totally rethink the installation process for 8. Version 8 is a step BACKWARD as far as ease of installation and use go. Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mouse Cursor in X
Ok, It's late and I'm at work and tired. I can't seem to get a start on looking for my problem: Downloaded Mandrake 8.1 Pentium 166 (intel) Mach64 video card 1024x768 @70hz monitor Logitech Mouseman mouse. Xfree 4... Tried mousedrake, and drakex to modify my settings, but no matter what I do, I don't get a mouse cursor. I have a cursor from gpm in text mode ok. I am out of ideas and could use more, or maybe I missed something easy? Thx, Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Ron, 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. True, and I hope that Mdk works on that. Note, though, that big, whole-system upgrades are fraught with peril. It's hit-or-miss with all OSs. Left-over libraries, changed file locations, etc., all conspire to make upgrades chancy. Then maybe you can explain (it's a question, not criticism): 1. Why complaints are rampant in the newbie's list (I'm one of them) for fresh installs. 2. Why things that seemed to work, gradually stop working (personally happens to me, and I'm careful not to mess around w/ su). 3. Why most complaints are directed at: CDs (R or RW), floppy mounts, media players and the forever illusive sound. 4. Why people complaint that machines that worked just fine with previous versions of Mkd are now slow. Hmmm, was this a vent too ? 8-0 Someone else said (once again it's a question): I must say the original Download version is somewhat buggy (compiling etc...), but the PowerPack which I recently purchased seems to fix a lot of the problems. Mind you it could be a marketing ploy ;-). Anyone, anymore comments on this? After all I download this stuff to test it. If it's not good I don't want it, and if it's not available for download I can't test it. I know, I know good is so subjective... ;-) Ken and anyone else, I would like to compare some answers to these questions: 1. What's your hardware like (an oldie, RAM)? 2. What is your install source (iso images, bought and paid for CDs)? 3. What type of problem do you have (initial install, upgrade, post-install administration or just standard usage)? BTW, stupid question, where's the link that a newbie may report bugs to? Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
If I could comment on this, don't upgrade, install, is excellent advice. even windows is bad at upgrading, I first upgraded to 2000 from 98, and the box was so slow that it was practically unusable... I did a clean install, and the speed more then doubled. (the upgrade also broke stuff, lost drivers for some hardware, and was generally a pain.) its not just linux,, all OS's like to be installed instead of upgraded. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nick Thompson Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! In my experiance 8.1 is much better than 7.x. BUT, never upgrade your OS as this always seems to break stuff (my cd always fails to work again). Do a good back up and plan for a fresh install every time. It a shame the upgrade procedure doesn't work well, but a fresh install is quicker than and upgrade, which leaves you with some spare time to use the excellent tools to reconfigure a few things. Nick. João Henrique da Silva Nunes Jales Ribeiro wrote: If you've seen a neat icon on your desktop refering to something called mandrake control center you should have already clicked on it. It has a strange feature that allows to QUICKLY share your internet connection. Maybe you've made your share on 7.2 the hard way, i've also done it on 7.1, but it seems to be easier on 8.1, you should check it up. On Wednesday 28 November 2001 22:14, you wrote: In regard to my problems, my internet connection sharing quit working after an upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1. And I had to do a fresh install of 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. At 12:53 PM 11/28/2001 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I installed 8.1 on an old IBM Thinkpad 760XL w/o incident. Perhaps a little more detail might be more constructive... -- Chris Haidinyak -Original Message- From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just to vent: Had a perfectly functioning 7.2 on my laptop. That was easier than any other OS (windows or linux) I tried. Total plug play. Then I decided to try 8.1 for all the updates and extras...what a piece of SH!T! I know a lot of people worked long and hard on this, and I have been a Mandrake supporter since V.7.x I tell people how easy the install is, how they don't need to be a linux guru to get busy doing stuff. Robust, stable, versatile. Now I have to turn around and say to those people, whatever you doDON'T upgrade to MDK8. I am not a guru, but neither am I a novice; I pissed a whole day away trying to have desktops that didn't go flakey, and Multi-Media that worked..No such luck. Now I am going to rollback to 7.2 If Mandrake is still trying to target the average desktop PC user, they will have to totally rethink the installation process for 8. Version 8 is a step BACKWARD as far as ease of installation and use go. Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Franki, Don't take this the wrong way but, upgrading from 98 to 2000 was no small feat. After all, not everyone can say they upgraded one OS (NT 4,5,XP) from another (Win9x) and actually got the machine to boot and execute ;-). As for the don't upgrade, install; it makes sense but I cannot comment on it: haven't done it. My 2c. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! If I could comment on this, don't upgrade, install, is excellent advice. even windows is bad at upgrading, I first upgraded to 2000 from 98, and the box was so slow that it was practically unusable... I did a clean install, and the speed more then doubled. (the upgrade also broke stuff, lost drivers for some hardware, and was generally a pain.) its not just linux,, all OS's like to be installed instead of upgraded. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nick Thompson Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! In my experiance 8.1 is much better than 7.x. BUT, never upgrade your OS as this always seems to break stuff (my cd always fails to work again). Do a good back up and plan for a fresh install every time. It a shame the upgrade procedure doesn't work well, but a fresh install is quicker than and upgrade, which leaves you with some spare time to use the excellent tools to reconfigure a few things. Nick. João Henrique da Silva Nunes Jales Ribeiro wrote: If you've seen a neat icon on your desktop refering to something called mandrake control center you should have already clicked on it. It has a strange feature that allows to QUICKLY share your internet connection. Maybe you've made your share on 7.2 the hard way, i've also done it on 7.1, but it seems to be easier on 8.1, you should check it up. On Wednesday 28 November 2001 22:14, you wrote: In regard to my problems, my internet connection sharing quit working after an upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1. And I had to do a fresh install of 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. At 12:53 PM 11/28/2001 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I installed 8.1 on an old IBM Thinkpad 760XL w/o incident. Perhaps a little more detail might be more constructive... -- Chris Haidinyak -Original Message- From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just to vent: Had a perfectly functioning 7.2 on my laptop. That was easier than any other OS (windows or linux) I tried. Total plug play. Then I decided to try 8.1 for all the updates and extras...what a piece of SH!T! I know a lot of people worked long and hard on this, and I have been a Mandrake supporter since V.7.x I tell people how easy the install is, how they don't need to be a linux guru to get busy doing stuff. Robust, stable, versatile. Now I have to turn around and say to those people, whatever you doDON'T upgrade to MDK8. I am not a guru, but neither am I a novice; I pissed a whole day away trying to have desktops that didn't go flakey, and Multi-Media that worked..No such luck. Now I am going to rollback to 7.2 If Mandrake is still trying to target the average desktop PC user, they will have to totally rethink the installation process for 8. Version 8 is a step BACKWARD as far as ease of installation and use go. Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
well, supermount has been gone into, so that doesn't require explanation again. I have no problem with Cd's, I always used mount and umount anyway, so it made no differce to me. 8.1 is fairly stable at this end, I have an uptime of 30 days, no problems. Its not noticably slower then 7.2 on my box here, which is an old piece of crap Pentium Pro200, 96MB ram... My sound was detected at install, and has worked ever since... I don't actually have any complaints right now... there are some annoyances, but nothing huge.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hugo Ferreira Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! Ron, 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. True, and I hope that Mdk works on that. Note, though, that big, whole-system upgrades are fraught with peril. It's hit-or-miss with all OSs. Left-over libraries, changed file locations, etc., all conspire to make upgrades chancy. Then maybe you can explain (it's a question, not criticism): 1. Why complaints are rampant in the newbie's list (I'm one of them) for fresh installs. 2. Why things that seemed to work, gradually stop working (personally happens to me, and I'm careful not to mess around w/ su). 3. Why most complaints are directed at: CDs (R or RW), floppy mounts, media players and the forever illusive sound. 4. Why people complaint that machines that worked just fine with previous versions of Mkd are now slow. Hmmm, was this a vent too ? 8-0 Someone else said (once again it's a question): I must say the original Download version is somewhat buggy (compiling etc...), but the PowerPack which I recently purchased seems to fix a lot of the problems. Mind you it could be a marketing ploy ;-). Anyone, anymore comments on this? After all I download this stuff to test it. If it's not good I don't want it, and if it's not available for download I can't test it. I know, I know good is so subjective... ;-) Ken and anyone else, I would like to compare some answers to these questions: 1. What's your hardware like (an oldie, RAM)? 2. What is your install source (iso images, bought and paid for CDs)? 3. What type of problem do you have (initial install, upgrade, post-install administration or just standard usage)? BTW, stupid question, where's the link that a newbie may report bugs to? Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Hi all, time for my 2 penneth, I had no problems with the install of 8.1, and I was using 7.2 before, but that was a fresh install, I've had problems in the past with upgrading. I think there's a terminlogy problem here, I think upgrade means to upgrade a system running the same version of OS with more packages. The areas I had probs with were the change from ipchains to iptables and supermount. Now if you really want to be ** see what happens when you put a SuSE 7.2 install CD in on a system runing either Redhat6.n or Mdk 7.n, it will attempt to upgrade the OS, sorta we will urgrade anything !! Strange thing it does and it works, but only for a short time, after a few reboots the original OS surfaces again. The point is Mdk 8.1 is one of the simplest installs to make and for the vast majority of uses, it will find and configure all the devices you have hanging on the system. compare the install of 8.1 to Suse 7.n and you'll find out how easy Mdk is, its a real pain in the butt with 6 CDs, and does SuSE winge, bitch and complain! have fun richard -Original Message- From: Nick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! In my experiance 8.1 is much better than 7.x. BUT, never upgrade your OS as this always seems to break stuff (my cd always fails to work again). Do a good back up and plan for a fresh install every time. It a shame the upgrade procedure doesn't work well, but a fresh install is quicker than and upgrade, which leaves you with some spare time to use the excellent tools to reconfigure a few things. Nick. João Henrique da Silva Nunes Jales Ribeiro wrote: If you've seen a neat icon on your desktop refering to something called mandrake control center you should have already clicked on it. It has a strange feature that allows to QUICKLY share your internet connection. Maybe you've made your share on 7.2 the hard way, i've also done it on 7.1, but it seems to be easier on 8.1, you should check it up. On Wednesday 28 November 2001 22:14, you wrote: In regard to my problems, my internet connection sharing quit working after an upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1. And I had to do a fresh install of 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. At 12:53 PM 11/28/2001 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I installed 8.1 on an old IBM Thinkpad 760XL w/o incident. Perhaps a little more detail might be more constructive... -- Chris Haidinyak -Original Message- From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just to vent: Had a perfectly functioning 7.2 on my laptop. That was easier than any other OS (windows or linux) I tried. Total plug play. Then I decided to try 8.1 for all the updates and extras...what a piece of SH!T! I know a lot of people worked long and hard on this, and I have been a Mandrake supporter since V.7.x I tell people how easy the install is, how they don't need to be a linux guru to get busy doing stuff. Robust, stable, versatile. Now I have to turn around and say to those people, whatever you doDON'T upgrade to MDK8. I am not a guru, but neither am I a novice; I pissed a whole day away trying to have desktops that didn't go flakey, and Multi-Media that worked..No such luck. Now I am going to rollback to 7.2 If Mandrake is still trying to target the average desktop PC user, they will have to totally rethink the installation process for 8. Version 8 is a step BACKWARD as far as ease of installation and use go. Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Mouse Cursor in X
Try turning off gpm and try for the cursor in X. I do seem to remember something similar happening to me once, though I am not sure whether it was FreeBSD or Linux. You could try. Arnab -- From: jtannenba[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:11 PM To: Expert Mandrake Subject: [expert] Mouse Cursor in X File: message.footer.txt Ok, It's late and I'm at work and tired. I can't seem to get a start on looking for my problem: Downloaded Mandrake 8.1 Pentium 166 (intel) Mach64 video card 1024x768 @70hz monitor Logitech Mouseman mouse. Xfree 4... Tried mousedrake, and drakex to modify my settings, but no matter what I do, I don't get a mouse cursor. I have a cursor from gpm in text mode ok. I am out of ideas and could use more, or maybe I missed something easy? Thx, Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Hi Hugo, I can confirm 1) 2) and 4) below. I had no problems with the sound card and I personally feel that (1) and (4) are serious errors that were overlooked by the release team/ testers, while 2 is extremely irritating. See my posts subject Solution -- MDK 8.1 CD FLOPPY cannot be mounted for seeing the ridiculous amount of work that I had to put because the Mandrake release team decided on all sorts of experimental stuff in their 2.4.8 kernel. Somewhat advanced users can solve these problems, but for newbies and others who are not technically inclined, these are definitely dead end problems and will serve to further the image Linux has as a programmers' Operating System. Arnab Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Franki, Well then, I guess I'm just unlucky. (Un)fortunatelly I'm not the only one (misery loves company ;-)). Oh well, I'll keep at it for a little longer. BTW, pentium Pro200 w/ 96Mbytes is _not_ crap Try a Cyrix P200+ w/ 64 MBytes and drive of 1.5 Giga for measure ! Thanx, Hugo. - Original Message - From: Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Mandrake Expert Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! well, supermount has been gone into, so that doesn't require explanation again. I have no problem with Cd's, I always used mount and umount anyway, so it made no differce to me. 8.1 is fairly stable at this end, I have an uptime of 30 days, no problems. Its not noticably slower then 7.2 on my box here, which is an old piece of crap Pentium Pro200, 96MB ram... My sound was detected at install, and has worked ever since... I don't actually have any complaints right now... there are some annoyances, but nothing huge.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hugo Ferreira Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! Ron, 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. True, and I hope that Mdk works on that. Note, though, that big, whole-system upgrades are fraught with peril. It's hit-or-miss with all OSs. Left-over libraries, changed file locations, etc., all conspire to make upgrades chancy. Then maybe you can explain (it's a question, not criticism): 1. Why complaints are rampant in the newbie's list (I'm one of them) for fresh installs. 2. Why things that seemed to work, gradually stop working (personally happens to me, and I'm careful not to mess around w/ su). 3. Why most complaints are directed at: CDs (R or RW), floppy mounts, media players and the forever illusive sound. 4. Why people complaint that machines that worked just fine with previous versions of Mkd are now slow. Hmmm, was this a vent too ? 8-0 Someone else said (once again it's a question): I must say the original Download version is somewhat buggy (compiling etc...), but the PowerPack which I recently purchased seems to fix a lot of the problems. Mind you it could be a marketing ploy ;-). Anyone, anymore comments on this? After all I download this stuff to test it. If it's not good I don't want it, and if it's not available for download I can't test it. I know, I know good is so subjective... ;-) Ken and anyone else, I would like to compare some answers to these questions: 1. What's your hardware like (an oldie, RAM)? 2. What is your install source (iso images, bought and paid for CDs)? 3. What type of problem do you have (initial install, upgrade, post-install administration or just standard usage)? BTW, stupid question, where's the link that a newbie may report bugs to? Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Arnab, Thanks a mil. for the feedback. Somewhat advanced users can solve these problems, but for newbies and others who are not technically inclined, these are definitely dead end problems Could not agree more. Comments on problems: 1. solved by removing the append. 2. not solved. (?) 3. solved via sndconfig but now have KMixer problems. 4. changes permissions and added link 5. still working on this (KMixer + aRts daemon) posts subject Solution -- MDK 8.1 CD FLOPPY Will look it up. Remember seeing this. Thanks. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Arnab_Ganguly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Hugo Ferreira' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! Hi Hugo, I can confirm 1) 2) and 4) below. I had no problems with the sound card and I personally feel that (1) and (4) are serious errors that were overlooked by the release team/ testers, while 2 is extremely irritating. See my posts subject Solution -- MDK 8.1 CD FLOPPY cannot be mounted for seeing the ridiculous amount of work that I had to put because the Mandrake release team decided on all sorts of experimental stuff in their 2.4.8 kernel. Somewhat advanced users can solve these problems, but for newbies and others who are not technically inclined, these are definitely dead end problems and will serve to further the image Linux has as a programmers' Operating System. Arnab Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Domain related
Hello, I have registered my ip at cjb.net, as xxx.cjb.net became my domain. I have set it up in my box. The strange thing is, when I try to reach an URL that is nonexistent, I get the cjb.net main page in return. I use DNS severs not related to cjb, I even went on running my own, but nothing changed. I dont have search cjb.net stuff in my resolv.conf Why is this happening? (Guess some guys at cjb did something, but how I dont know) How can I block this ? Thanks Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 8.1 issues
My two cents: While not a newbie I also am not an expert. That said... I did notice differences with 8.1. It does have problems with floppies. I did the install on three machines, one Dell, and two home built systems (different boards, memory, etc. All three had 7.1, all three had problems recognizing the floppy (the problem mysteriously dissapeared yesterday on two of them). Furthermore, on all three machines the install software refused to leave my /home partition alone allthough I tried both as expert and recomended; I finally decided to reformat the entire drive. Regarding the floppy, at one point I suspected the mount command was not waiting long enough for the response. This was a problem with Zip drives several versions back. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
I agree thheese are problems, and I wonder if 8.1 will have an update (like 7.2 had for cups) or if anyone knows when the first freq for 8.1 will be out. On Thursday 29 November 2001 05:24, you wrote: Hi Hugo, I can confirm 1) 2) and 4) below. I had no problems with the sound card and I personally feel that (1) and (4) are serious errors that were overlooked by the release team/ testers, while 2 is extremely irritating. See my posts subject Solution -- MDK 8.1 CD FLOPPY cannot be mounted for seeing the ridiculous amount of work that I had to put because the Mandrake release team decided on all sorts of experimental stuff in their 2.4.8 kernel. Somewhat advanced users can solve these problems, but for newbies and others who are not technically inclined, these are definitely dead end problems and will serve to further the image Linux has as a programmers' Operating System. Arnab Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. *** * ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. *** * ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Running Abiword without being root
Where is the AbiWord binary located? on mine (RH7.2) it is in /usr/bin. You say that this error does not appear when you launch AbiWord when logged on as root. Do the following test: Create a dummy account. Logon as that dummy user, and see if AbiWord launches. If it does, then your PATH is missing something. Hope this can help. George On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:26:00 +1100 pesarif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm running a full install of Mandrake 8.0. If I run abiword without being root, I get the message that I've attached. I have never seen this problem before. How do I fix it? Thanks, pesarif Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Ed, Does that mean you confirm problems 1) 2) and 4) . Thanks. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ed Tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! I agree thheese are problems, and I wonder if 8.1 will have an update (like 7.2 had for cups) or if anyone knows when the first freq for 8.1 will be out. On Thursday 29 November 2001 05:24, you wrote: Hi Hugo, I can confirm 1) 2) and 4) below. I had no problems with the sound card and I personally feel that (1) and (4) are serious errors that were overlooked by the release team/ testers, while 2 is extremely irritating. See my posts subject Solution -- MDK 8.1 CD FLOPPY cannot be mounted for seeing the ridiculous amount of work that I had to put because the Mandrake release team decided on all sorts of experimental stuff in their 2.4.8 kernel. Somewhat advanced users can solve these problems, but for newbies and others who are not technically inclined, these are definitely dead end problems and will serve to further the image Linux has as a programmers' Operating System. Arnab Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. *** * ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. *** * ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! NOT!
--- Snip --- Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on previously working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. ---snip--- 1) This may be true only due to the fact that a kernel AND initrd.img will not fit on the same floppy disk, which the floppy disk creator tries to do. I haven't played with it enough. 2) Nope, no problems on 32+ systems I've upgraded, varying from LX's thru AliMagik's and Vias. I have noticed (which may be the reason you talk about this) that the kernel (not Mandrake per-se) now enables DMA on IDE chains that sometimes (due to misconfiguration) cannot handle this... I.E. A CD-ROM on the same channel as a UDMA-33 Hard drive, etc. This has caused a freeze or timeout, until I either changed a cable or moved devices around a bit. Linux also exacerbates an already existing problem with mixing drives from different manufacturers, and of course Civilme's often complained about HD data CRC's vis-à-vis Western Digital drives... 3) Nope. Normally this is because the user has not elected a full installation. Many programs and scripts are interrelated. When you omit something you get into strange situations. For the most part LM8.1 has done a fine job detecting and supporting previously non working sound chipsets including brain damaged integrated motherboard chips... With a few exceptions, such as already inherent configuration issues... 4) Nope. Again I've had no trouble. Most people overlook that device perms have been changed with 8.1 and the security settings are handled differently. No one bothers to look in /etc/secure... 5) Nope again. I've had no problems with this. The firewall configuration and other wizards do want to exclusively control setting things up, so when users go back in and use other techniques they are working at cross purposes. That said, there is always a problem or two that may escape testing, however LM8.1 has NEVER Wreaked Havoc on any of my systems so far... -JMS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
Hi List, I have P4 + Asus P4B mobo + 1.5 Gb Mem SDRAM and I installed MDK8.0 and after MDK8.1, but both only can detect 898 Mb Mem! Even if I force 1536 Mb in lilo.conf. How can I solve this problem? Many thanks in advance, -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mouse Cursor in X
Hello I don't know if the problem is the same but my logitech mouse (Compaq) has a similar bevahiour. The solution that worked for me (maybe it is not for you) is to do a kernel upgrade. I am running 2.4.14 and had no problem with the mouse. Regards Ed - Original Message - From: Arnab_Ganguly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:11 AM Subject: RE: [expert] Mouse Cursor in X Try turning off gpm and try for the cursor in X. I do seem to remember something similar happening to me once, though I am not sure whether it was FreeBSD or Linux. You could try. Arnab -- From: jtannenba[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:11 PM To: Expert Mandrake Subject: [expert] Mouse Cursor in X File: message.footer.txt Ok, It's late and I'm at work and tired. I can't seem to get a start on looking for my problem: Downloaded Mandrake 8.1 Pentium 166 (intel) Mach64 video card 1024x768 @70hz monitor Logitech Mouseman mouse. Xfree 4... Tried mousedrake, and drakex to modify my settings, but no matter what I do, I don't get a mouse cursor. I have a cursor from gpm in text mode ok. I am out of ideas and could use more, or maybe I missed something easy? Thx, Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] broken driver?
hi, got myself a new scsi card, second hand. the driver for it exists, but does not seem to work. fair enough. how do i let mdk know that this is the case? no point in having a driver that is broken in the distro right? as well as that they could put it in the hardware database as unsupported. its funny though, it works with debian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
use kernel-enterprise (available either from your 8.1 CDS or the ftp site), which was compiled with the option for handling memory above 1 GB. Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 12:05 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: Hi List, I have P4 + Asus P4B mobo + 1.5 Gb Mem SDRAM and I installed MDK8.0 and after MDK8.1, but both only can detect 898 Mb Mem! Even if I force 1536 Mb in lilo.conf. How can I solve this problem? Many thanks in advance, -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Fwd: Malicious use of grc.com
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Malicious use of grc.com Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:53:16 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings: ShieldsUp(tm) is an application developed by Steve Gibson of Gibson Research Corporation that allows a web user to request a remote port scan of their local system via the GRC.Com web site (https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2). The Probe my Ports option performs a scan of many common tcp ports and reports the status of each port back to the user's browser. The development of the application and its method of identifying the client IP address is quite insecure. As a result, ShieldsUp! allows the web user to perform a port scan against any other machine on the Internet and return the results to the web user. The remote system will log the scan as having originated from one of Steve Gibson's machines. Gibson has chosen to use a simple hidden tag in the client-side HTML code to identify the IP address that is passed to the scanning engine. Though the client's IP address is hashed, it is trivial to alter the value of the hidden tag in order to request that a different IP address be scanned. The true IP address is never checked in the HTTP header during the scan - ShieldsUp happily scans the other box while returning the result set into the browser of the box that requested the scan. Fenris, The Wolf, a member of Hammer of God, quickly reviewed the hash algorithm used to represent the IP address and found it weak; therefore, one can easily submit requests, via the Shields Up web page, for specific IP addresses to be scanned. These findings are not my own, and I have not included the details of the hash here as it is used to display a copyrighted page. The Wolf may post his findings if he chooses to do so, but I will not make that choice for him. Instead, we can easily bypass the need to crack the hash by simply using the IP Agent supplied by Gibson. Over a year ago, a hacked version of IP Agent was published that allowed one to supply an address to scan-- Gibson discounted this as a non-issue, but reportedly fixed IP Agent to perform a check to prevent this from happening. However, IP Agent now supports multiple client IP addresses. One simply needs to bind the targeted IP addresses to a local interface and perform a scan request. In this case, ShieldsUp presents friendly command buttons listing the IP addresses bound to the local interfaces and allows you to select any one that you want scanned. Again, no other checking is done, and ShieldsUp will scan whatever IP address you ask it to and display the results in your own browser. According to the scanning page, Information gained will NOT be retained, viewed, or used by us in any way for any purpose whatsoever which basically invites anyone to use Gibson's site to do port scans of other people's boxes without fear of detection. Additionally, multiple post requests can be easily scripted to perform scans against a site in attempts to perform a denial of service attack against a host. In these cases, with sufficient requests generated, one could ask grc.com to attack another site and it will comply. One would have hoped that instead of Mr. Gibson spending so much time expounding on the theoretical DoS capabilities of Raw Sockets, that he instead had used that time to properly develop his own application in order to prevent the same. Those concerned with malicious attacks from grc.com should block Gibson's netblock at the border. Cheers, Magni --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! NOT!
JM, First and foremost, thanks for the feedback. Subject: RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! NOT! Please note, I only continued a thread. Wether it is or is not, is up to each one to decide. Anyway, a little venting never hurt. In fact, this time, I (or we) even get some interesting feeeback. Reason why it is better to maintain the subject which others may flag for easier reading. Some comments... 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 1) This may be true only due to the fact that a kernel AND initrd.img will not fit on the same floppy disk, which the floppy disk creator tries to do. I haven't played with it enough. Interesting. To be honest I played a bit ;-). The script to make the boot floppy did not work. I created the initrd.img on disk, copied that to the floppy and 'voi lá', it worked. Now, I just resort to removing the append. 2. DMA time-outs on previously working Chipsets/drives. 2) Nope, no problems on 32+ systems I've upgraded, varying from LX's thru AliMagik's and Vias. I have noticed (which may be the reason you talk about this) that the kernel (not Mandrake per-se) now enables DMA on IDE chains that sometimes (due to misconfiguration) cannot handle this... I.E. A CD-ROM on the same channel as a UDMA-33 Hard drive, etc. This has caused a freeze or timeout, until I either changed a cable or moved devices around a bit. Linux also exacerbates an already existing problem with mixing drives from different manufacturers, and of course Civilme's often complained about HD data CRC's vis-à-vis Western Digital drives... Ok, I admit the drive that holds linux is a slave on the same IDE that connects to the first drive that boots the system. (CD is on a seperate IDE, and yes drives are from different manufacturers). I have not moved hardware around because I have MS$ on that and this would break these systems. Please note, I had installed 7.1 before and that seemed to work. I say seemed because I am not an experienced user and cannot garantee this. This is the reason why I commented. Needless to say, my set-up should work. Thats what I expected, alas it was no so BTW, where is the best place to turn DMA off? 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 3) Nope. Normally this is because the user has not elected a full installation. Many programs and scripts are interrelated. When you omit something you get into strange situations. For the most part LM8.1 has done a fine job detecting and supporting previously non working sound chipsets including brain damaged integrated motherboard chips... With a few exceptions, such as already inherent configuration issues... Hmmm, I will repeat what I said: sound card was correctly detected. It simply did not work. Expert help pointed me to sndconfig. It then worked, no additional installation needed. What do you think was missing in the install that nearlly filled a 1.5 Giga disk? Development tools or servers? 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 4) Nope. Again I've had no trouble. Most people overlook that device perms have been changed with 8.1 and the security settings are handled differently. No one bothers to look in /etc/secure... correction ... (permissions and links) Newbies have very little knowledge of this. Any recommendations or suggestions to facilitate the starter's life? BTW, I found the ideia of a higher security level preventing users having access to the card so that no eves dropping could be done, to make sense. Go figure! 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. 5) Nope again. I've had no problems with this. The firewall configuration and other wizards do want to exclusively control setting things up, so when users go back in and use other techniques they are working at cross purposes. That said, there is always a problem or two that may escape testing, however LM8.1 has NEVER Wreaked Havoc on any of my systems so far... Remember: I am a newbie that selected LM 8.1 because of it's ease of use. When you say When you omit something you get into strange situations. and so when users go back in and use other techniques they are working at cross purposes only shows that some stuff is really broken. This does not mean Mdk did a bad job (on the contrary, I have never gotten so far previously), but the truth is, more work is needed. Thanks once again for the feedback. HF Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
short answer...use the enterprise kernal On Thursday 29 November 2001 12:05, you wrote: Hi List, I have P4 + Asus P4B mobo + 1.5 Gb Mem SDRAM and I installed MDK8.0 and after MDK8.1, but both only can detect 898 Mb Mem! Even if I force 1536 Mb in lilo.conf. How can I solve this problem? Many thanks in advance, Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Floppy On Mdk 8.1
I've got this from the list history, worked fine here: When I try mounting it says /dev/fd0 is not a block device. I was able to solve this by appending nobiospnp to the kernel boot parameter. []'s Renato On Thursday 29 November 2001 01:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI I am new comer, I have a problem with Mdk 8.1. My Mdk 8.1 can not access the floppy, I have checked fstab and mtab configuration, everything is OK. I thought my floppy driver was broken and I reinstall with RH 7.1 and Mdk 8.0, with this version I can access the Floppy. it is mean the problem is on Mdk 8.1, everytime when I try to mount the floppy, the error is fd0 is not a valid device Can anybody help me? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List, I have P4 + Asus P4B mobo + 1.5 Gb Mem SDRAM and I installed MDK8.0 and after MDK8.1, but both only can detect 898 Mb Mem! Even if I force 1536 Mb in lilo.conf. How can I solve this problem? Many thanks in advance, enable high mem support in the kernel, or use a mdk enterprise kernel. -- Chad Young Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
yeah, but by the same token, a 2.2 upgrade to 2.4 (7.2 to 8 or 8.1) is just as difficult. all I was pointing out is that linux is not the only one with difficulties. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hugo Ferreira Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 5:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! Franki, Don't take this the wrong way but, upgrading from 98 to 2000 was no small feat. After all, not everyone can say they upgraded one OS (NT 4,5,XP) from another (Win9x) and actually got the machine to boot and execute ;-). As for the don't upgrade, install; it makes sense but I cannot comment on it: haven't done it. My 2c. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! If I could comment on this, don't upgrade, install, is excellent advice. even windows is bad at upgrading, I first upgraded to 2000 from 98, and the box was so slow that it was practically unusable... I did a clean install, and the speed more then doubled. (the upgrade also broke stuff, lost drivers for some hardware, and was generally a pain.) its not just linux,, all OS's like to be installed instead of upgraded. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nick Thompson Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! In my experiance 8.1 is much better than 7.x. BUT, never upgrade your OS as this always seems to break stuff (my cd always fails to work again). Do a good back up and plan for a fresh install every time. It a shame the upgrade procedure doesn't work well, but a fresh install is quicker than and upgrade, which leaves you with some spare time to use the excellent tools to reconfigure a few things. Nick. João Henrique da Silva Nunes Jales Ribeiro wrote: If you've seen a neat icon on your desktop refering to something called mandrake control center you should have already clicked on it. It has a strange feature that allows to QUICKLY share your internet connection. Maybe you've made your share on 7.2 the hard way, i've also done it on 7.1, but it seems to be easier on 8.1, you should check it up. On Wednesday 28 November 2001 22:14, you wrote: In regard to my problems, my internet connection sharing quit working after an upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1. And I had to do a fresh install of 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. At 12:53 PM 11/28/2001 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I installed 8.1 on an old IBM Thinkpad 760XL w/o incident. Perhaps a little more detail might be more constructive... -- Chris Haidinyak -Original Message- From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just to vent: Had a perfectly functioning 7.2 on my laptop. That was easier than any other OS (windows or linux) I tried. Total plug play. Then I decided to try 8.1 for all the updates and extras...what a piece of SH!T! I know a lot of people worked long and hard on this, and I have been a Mandrake supporter since V.7.x I tell people how easy the install is, how they don't need to be a linux guru to get busy doing stuff. Robust, stable, versatile. Now I have to turn around and say to those people, whatever you doDON'T upgrade to MDK8. I am not a guru, but neither am I a novice; I pissed a whole day away trying to have desktops that didn't go flakey, and Multi-Media that worked..No such luck. Now I am going to rollback to 7.2 If Mandrake is still trying to target the average desktop PC user, they will have to totally rethink the installation process for 8. Version 8 is a step BACKWARD as far as ease of installation and use go. Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Fwd: Malicious use of grc.com
yeah, but he also says that that functionality doesn't go in Shields up... (and I tested that, scanned myself with high ports open and it didn't catch them...) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: Dennis Myhand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 1:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Fwd: Malicious use of grc.com Actually, Steve Gibson states, on his site, that he has found a way to scan all 65K+ ports at one time. Franki wrote: So what look around, there are thousands of free portscanners that anyone can download and scan anyone they want.. And its only a small scan anyway, not like it fires up and scans 64000 ports is it? The reasonn for the lax security is that it doesn't really make any difference anyway.. The thing is to slow to be used for dos attacks anyway... (and you can't target a specific port either.) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gavin Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Fwd: Malicious use of grc.com -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Malicious use of grc.com Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:53:16 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings: ShieldsUp(tm) is an application developed by Steve Gibson of Gibson Research Corporation that allows a web user to request a remote port scan of their local system via the GRC.Com web site (https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2). The Probe my Ports option performs a scan of many common tcp ports and reports the status of each port back to the user's browser. The development of the application and its method of identifying the client IP address is quite insecure. As a result, ShieldsUp! allows the web user to perform a port scan against any other machine on the Internet and return the results to the web user. The remote system will log the scan as having originated from one of Steve Gibson's machines. Gibson has chosen to use a simple hidden tag in the client-side HTML code to identify the IP address that is passed to the scanning engine. Though the client's IP address is hashed, it is trivial to alter the value of the hidden tag in order to request that a different IP address be scanned. The true IP address is never checked in the HTTP header during the scan - ShieldsUp happily scans the other box while returning the result set into the browser of the box that requested the scan. Fenris, The Wolf, a member of Hammer of God, quickly reviewed the hash algorithm used to represent the IP address and found it weak; therefore, one can easily submit requests, via the Shields Up web page, for specific IP addresses to be scanned. These findings are not my own, and I have not included the details of the hash here as it is used to display a copyrighted page. The Wolf may post his findings if he chooses to do so, but I will not make that choice for him. Instead, we can easily bypass the need to crack the hash by simply using the IP Agent supplied by Gibson. Over a year ago, a hacked version of IP Agent was published that allowed one to supply an address to scan-- Gibson discounted this as a non-issue, but reportedly fixed IP Agent to perform a check to prevent this from happening. However, IP Agent now supports multiple client IP addresses. One simply needs to bind the targeted IP addresses to a local interface and perform a scan request. In this case, ShieldsUp presents friendly command buttons listing the IP addresses bound to the local interfaces and allows you to select any one that you want scanned. Again, no other checking is done, and ShieldsUp will scan whatever IP address you ask it to and display the results in your own browser. According to the scanning page, Information gained will NOT be retained, viewed, or used by us in any way for any purpose whatsoever which basically invites anyone to use Gibson's site to do port scans of other people's boxes without fear of detection. Additionally, multiple post requests can be easily scripted to perform scans against a site in attempts to perform a denial of service attack against a host. In these cases, with sufficient requests generated, one could ask grc.com to attack another site and it will comply. One would have hoped that instead of Mr. Gibson spending so much time expounding on the theoretical DoS capabilities of Raw Sockets, that he instead had used that time to properly develop his own application in order to prevent the same. Those concerned with malicious attacks from grc.com should block Gibson's netblock at the border. Cheers, Magni --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or
[expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
I've asked this question in a few places with no takers so I thought that I'd take it to the experts. I need to do a presentation at school. I thought I could use open office or kpresenter. The problem is I need to get the external out and tv out working on my laptop. This presentation will probably be using a projector so I believe getting the external monitor to work is more important. I have an ibm a21p with the ati m3 16mb video card. Any ideas? Please save me from M$!! Otherwise I don't need M$ very much. The spreadsheet program of open office isn't yet up to excel but Matlab runs on Linux so I can do all of my calculations there. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Ajax, This is a function of the BIOS. I had Debian and Mandrake loaded on an IBM laptop. I just used the Function keys on the laptop to switch between LCD or External monitor, or both. Have you tried that yet? John B -Original Message- From: ajax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze! I've asked this question in a few places with no takers so I thought that I'd take it to the experts. I need to do a presentation at school. I thought I could use open office or kpresenter. The problem is I need to get the external out and tv out working on my laptop. This presentation will probably be using a projector so I believe getting the external monitor to work is more important. I have an ibm a21p with the ati m3 16mb video card. Any ideas? Please save me from M$!! Otherwise I don't need M$ very much. The spreadsheet program of open office isn't yet up to excel but Matlab runs on Linux so I can do all of my calculations there. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
I don't think that you have any dependency on linux to get you notebook showing images in the projector. Most (all?) notebooks have a function (Fn) key and a key in the numeric row with a monitor-like figure. Press Fn+monitor and the notebook start to display on the LCD or on the external device (a monitor, datashow or projector) or both. And I think that the same happens with the TV-out. HTH orlando ajax wrote: I've asked this question in a few places with no takers so I thought that I'd take it to the experts. I need to do a presentation at school. I thought I could use open office or kpresenter. The problem is I need to get the external out and tv out working on my laptop. This presentation will probably be using a projector so I believe getting the external monitor to work is more important. I have an ibm a21p with the ati m3 16mb video card. Any ideas? Please save me from M$!! Otherwise I don't need M$ very much. The spreadsheet program of open office isn't yet up to excel but Matlab runs on Linux so I can do all of my calculations there. -- ,~~v~~,,~~v~~, ,'. .', ,'. .', === + ====== + === / ~ \ / ~ \ /\_m m_/\/\_m m_/\ .\ +--+ /. / ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ! \ / +--+ \ `\m/ \m/' `\m/ \m/' Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
I don't know about the IBM, but in every laptop I've ever had it a simple matter of hitting the keys that told the hardware to switch to the external monitor. It worked in Windows just the same as in Linux. In one case, I did have to add a line to my XF86Config file to allow this, but that was it. What happens when you try this? David -Original Message- From: ajax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze! I've asked this question in a few places with no takers so I thought that I'd take it to the experts. I need to do a presentation at school. I thought I could use open office or kpresenter. The problem is I need to get the external out and tv out working on my laptop. This presentation will probably be using a projector so I believe getting the external monitor to work is more important. I have an ibm a21p with the ati m3 16mb video card. Any ideas? Please save me from M$!! Otherwise I don't need M$ very much. The spreadsheet program of open office isn't yet up to excel but Matlab runs on Linux so I can do all of my calculations there. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
My first attempts to install Mandrake were 7.0. I never figured out at the time why the install would always go in circles and gave it up to wait on 7.1. 7.1 gave the exact same trouble, so I dug a little more into why it wouldn't install and found that Mandrake couldn't handle my faithful $12 Sony 2X SCSI CD-ROM. After changing the CD to a 4X, 7.1 installation was quick and painless, and subsequent operation has apparently been error free. I tried to install the 8.0 GA on an added HD in the same system and had many different problems and gave up trying. When the 8.1 betas came out, I tried the 1st 3rd, then RC1, all of which were little less painful than 8.0. There were some problems solved from beta through GA, but others introduced. I managed to get all of the 8.1 variants installed, but all were difficult, and none were worthy of trust until possibly 8.1 GA. I certainly have my doubts. The installer just isn't ready for converting people used to other operating systems. If you have the right combination of relatively new hardware, you may have success. I certainly didn't, and other than the HD addition for 8.x, using the exact same system 7.1 works flawlessly on. I hope there is to be an 8.2 before a jump to a 9.0. Mandrake needs to finish debugging 8.x before jumping into more new territory. Get automount to work so that floppies and CD's are accessed as easily as is taken for granted in windoze. Get the installer to provide error feedback to the user instead of looping back two or more steps when a later step fails and dumping cryptic jibberish into a log file the person installing has no clue exists. Add back the opportunity to give XFree setup the special parameters the video card requires, or better yet, fix the distro so that video cards don't need special parameters to make X actually work, or knows what they are and inserts them automatically. If anything new is to be added, the installer should find the compatible hardware database on the installation CD, query for matches, and report to the user what found hardware is missing from the database and may cause install failure. 8.1 is very nice. It simply wasn't/isn't ready to be called a GA. -- All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.Edmund Burke Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Hi, As John mentioned, this is indeed a function of BIOS. I have a IBM A21p with Mdk 7.2 on it, and do presentations with StarOffice on a regular basis. To get external video going you press Fn-F7 repeatedly until the output ends up the way you need it. This will cycle through internal LCD, External VGA connector, both, then back to internal LCD. A problem that I have noticed is that most LCD projectors don't do 1600 x 1200 resolution, so you will probably have to dial the rez back down to 1024 x 768 or so. Good luck, let us know if this works for you. HTH, DGO On Thursday 29 November 2001 11:09, you wrote: I've asked this question in a few places with no takers so I thought that I'd take it to the experts. I need to do a presentation at school. I thought I could use open office or kpresenter. The problem is I need to get the external out and tv out working on my laptop. This presentation will probably be using a projector so I believe getting the external monitor to work is more important. I have an ibm a21p with the ati m3 16mb video card. Any ideas? Please save me from M$!! Otherwise I don't need M$ very much. The spreadsheet program of open office isn't yet up to excel but Matlab runs on Linux so I can do all of my calculations there. -- Entropy Requires No Maintenance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 29 Nov 2001 6:24 pm, you wrote: I don't think that you have any dependency on linux to get you notebook showing images in the projector. Most (all?) notebooks have a function (Fn) key and a key in the numeric row with a monitor-like figure. Press Fn+monitor and the notebook start to display on the LCD or on the external device (a monitor, datashow or projector) or both. And I think that the same happens with the TV-out. If i plug a normal monitor into my laptop (which only runs linux) it works fine, and as projectors plug in to the vga port (or at my uni they do) they work fine, we have lectures were the lecturers plug their linux laptops in and they just work. - -- Tom Tomahawk Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College - --- PGP Key available from certserver.pgp.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Bn5oXCpWOla2mCcRAtYzAKCPWWDEFhRpy1Tzk3i/yog+I2vNLgCeNwrL mPyZlKQ2O0JPWO43Kqi/cTw= =WyHC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Fwd: Malicious use of grc.com
So what look around, there are thousands of free portscanners that anyone can download and scan anyone they want.. And its only a small scan anyway, not like it fires up and scans 64000 ports is it? The reasonn for the lax security is that it doesn't really make any difference anyway.. The thing is to slow to be used for dos attacks anyway... (and you can't target a specific port either.) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gavin Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Fwd: Malicious use of grc.com -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Malicious use of grc.com Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:53:16 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings: ShieldsUp(tm) is an application developed by Steve Gibson of Gibson Research Corporation that allows a web user to request a remote port scan of their local system via the GRC.Com web site (https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2). The Probe my Ports option performs a scan of many common tcp ports and reports the status of each port back to the user's browser. The development of the application and its method of identifying the client IP address is quite insecure. As a result, ShieldsUp! allows the web user to perform a port scan against any other machine on the Internet and return the results to the web user. The remote system will log the scan as having originated from one of Steve Gibson's machines. Gibson has chosen to use a simple hidden tag in the client-side HTML code to identify the IP address that is passed to the scanning engine. Though the client's IP address is hashed, it is trivial to alter the value of the hidden tag in order to request that a different IP address be scanned. The true IP address is never checked in the HTTP header during the scan - ShieldsUp happily scans the other box while returning the result set into the browser of the box that requested the scan. Fenris, The Wolf, a member of Hammer of God, quickly reviewed the hash algorithm used to represent the IP address and found it weak; therefore, one can easily submit requests, via the Shields Up web page, for specific IP addresses to be scanned. These findings are not my own, and I have not included the details of the hash here as it is used to display a copyrighted page. The Wolf may post his findings if he chooses to do so, but I will not make that choice for him. Instead, we can easily bypass the need to crack the hash by simply using the IP Agent supplied by Gibson. Over a year ago, a hacked version of IP Agent was published that allowed one to supply an address to scan-- Gibson discounted this as a non-issue, but reportedly fixed IP Agent to perform a check to prevent this from happening. However, IP Agent now supports multiple client IP addresses. One simply needs to bind the targeted IP addresses to a local interface and perform a scan request. In this case, ShieldsUp presents friendly command buttons listing the IP addresses bound to the local interfaces and allows you to select any one that you want scanned. Again, no other checking is done, and ShieldsUp will scan whatever IP address you ask it to and display the results in your own browser. According to the scanning page, Information gained will NOT be retained, viewed, or used by us in any way for any purpose whatsoever which basically invites anyone to use Gibson's site to do port scans of other people's boxes without fear of detection. Additionally, multiple post requests can be easily scripted to perform scans against a site in attempts to perform a denial of service attack against a host. In these cases, with sufficient requests generated, one could ask grc.com to attack another site and it will comply. One would have hoped that instead of Mr. Gibson spending so much time expounding on the theoretical DoS capabilities of Raw Sockets, that he instead had used that time to properly develop his own application in order to prevent the same. Those concerned with malicious attacks from grc.com should block Gibson's netblock at the border. Cheers, Magni --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
Hi, Thank you very much! However, I compiled I new kernel and it works pretty. On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Michael Viron wrote: use kernel-enterprise (available either from your 8.1 CDS or the ftp site), which was compiled with the option for handling memory above 1 GB. Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 12:05 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: Hi List, I have P4 + Asus P4B mobo + 1.5 Gb Mem SDRAM and I installed MDK8.0 and after MDK8.1, but both only can detect 898 Mb Mem! Even if I force 1536 Mb in lilo.conf. How can I solve this problem? Many thanks in advance, -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 29 November 2001 12:09 pm, ajax wrote: I've asked this question in a few places with no takers so I thought that I'd take it to the experts. I need to do a presentation at school. I thought I could use open office or kpresenter. The problem is I need to get the external out and tv out working on my laptop. This presentation will probably be using a projector so I believe getting the external monitor to work is more important. I have an ibm a21p with the ati m3 16mb video card. Any ideas? Please save me from M$!! Linux output is sent via a laptop's VGA External Output Port to a projector at our LUG meetings that are held at our University. It sounds like you are saying that your overhead projector is connected to a TV. Am I understanding you correctly? - -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81| || | All machines, no matter how complex, are considered to be | | besed on 6 simple elements: the lever, the pulley, the| | wheel and axle, the screw, the wedge and the inclined | | plane. | |Marilyn Vos Savant | ++ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BoEAjTz5dS9Us5wRAnqRAJ0cRKAt28VYy0wGXON8F3FJo/yX1wCfT+nU 1bsUX6nCikA0LdYZluwATPg= =gaNR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] A7V266, A7A266 and A7M266 + Winbond
Hi, I'm still looking for a proper mobo to run Athlon 1.4Ghz + DDR mem, however I don't have many options. I would like to know from your experience if all asus mobo A7?266 has the clock bug (related to Winbond), or just some has the bug. Actually, I cannot accept a 15-40min delay per day in my computers. Here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, is quite hard to find up-to-date hardware, mobos almost only from Asus, so others brands could take too much time to appear and I cannot wait much. So if I buy an A7?266 mobo, what are my chances to get the clock bug? 100%? Or can I be luck enough to get a bug-free one? -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Thanks everyone for the quick responses! I didn't think to use the fn key previousley. On windows it automatically displays on both screens. Now that I have tried it in windows the Fn-f7 key toggles between lcd, external monitor, to both. On my bootmagic screen it toggles between external monitor and lcd (it seems like its trying to do both at one point but only the lcd displays. When I boot into linux it toggles between lcd and external monitor as above. In X it toggles between the lcd and a blank screen. Is there anything I need to change in my XF8gConfig-4 file? Am I right to assume that some of you have output to both the external monitor and lcd at the same time? Anyone get the TV out to work? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Are you sure your resolution in X is supported by your projector? 1024X768 is about as high as most go. If you're trying to do more than that, you can get the results you're seeing. The fact that you're getting a blank screen tells me things are switching as they should, but something is up on your projector. You may also want to try plugging things into a monitor for testing. Once things work there, then move to the projector. Best regards, David -Original Message- From: ajax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze! Thanks everyone for the quick responses! I didn't think to use the fn key previousley. On windows it automatically displays on both screens. Now that I have tried it in windows the Fn-f7 key toggles between lcd, external monitor, to both. On my bootmagic screen it toggles between external monitor and lcd (it seems like its trying to do both at one point but only the lcd displays. When I boot into linux it toggles between lcd and external monitor as above. In X it toggles between the lcd and a blank screen. Is there anything I need to change in my XF8gConfig-4 file? Am I right to assume that some of you have output to both the external monitor and lcd at the same time? Anyone get the TV out to work? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
I feel stupid now. I tried my other monitor and changed resolution. It works now. That should work well for my presentation next week. I'd like to get my tv out working since some of my classes are small and a tv might be easier to get. It would also be nice to be able to play DVD's on a TV. Anyone know how to get it working? Thanks again. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Greetings, The A20p / A21p have a S-video input and output connectors on the front right-hand side. I personally don't use them, but they *do* work, see http://mobilix.org/video_linux.html#ToC1 Again, the resolution problem is going to bite you; suggest sticking with a monitor for presentations. If you want to watch TV, this seems like an expensive way to do it... remember that this is S-video (not NTSC or PAL) that comes out of these jacks. If you get it working please post - hope this helps. Regards, David On Thursday 29 November 2001 13:38, you wrote: I feel stupid now. I tried my other monitor and changed resolution. It works now. That should work well for my presentation next week. I'd like to get my tv out working since some of my classes are small and a tv might be easier to get. It would also be nice to be able to play DVD's on a TV. Anyone know how to get it working? Thanks again. -- Entropy Requires No Maintenance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Whats the easiest way to change resolution? Ctrl - Alt - +/- isn't working and mandrake control center screws up my usb mouse. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Oh, and one more url: http://www.linuxvideo.org/ http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/ HTH, DGO On Thursday 29 November 2001 14:00, David Oberbeck wrote: Greetings, The A20p / A21p have a S-video input and output connectors on the front right-hand side. I personally don't use them, but they *do* work, see http://mobilix.org/video_linux.html#ToC1 Again, the resolution problem is going to bite you; suggest sticking with a monitor for presentations. If you want to watch TV, this seems like an expensive way to do it... remember that this is S-video (not NTSC or PAL) that comes out of these jacks. If you get it working please post - hope this helps. Regards, David On Thursday 29 November 2001 13:38, you wrote: I feel stupid now. I tried my other monitor and changed resolution. It works now. That should work well for my presentation next week. I'd like to get my tv out working since some of my classes are small and a tv might be easier to get. It would also be nice to be able to play DVD's on a TV. Anyone know how to get it working? Thanks again. -- Entropy Requires No Maintenance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
if ctrl alt +/- isn't working, you probably don't have your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file setup correctly. You need to make sure you have every resolution you want in your file Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device My Video Card Monitor S/M 955DF DefaultDepth 24 Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection mark On Friday 30 November 2001 02:58, you wrote: Whats the easiest way to change resolution? Ctrl - Alt - +/- isn't working and mandrake control center screws up my usb mouse. Thanks -- 9:09pm up 4:33, 0 users, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.04 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] :-( Bad Choice - SY-K7ADA w/ ALi 1647/1535D?
I couldn't resist the $99 special at Fry's Electronics last week and ran out to buy the combo unit with a 1 GH Duron and a Soyo SY-K7ADA motherboard. While it wasn't on the supported hardware list, I had read at least one review that said it was compatible with Linux... Well, it boots, the only noticeable problems being the hard drive fixed messages from the previous hang at shutdown and the Checking for new hardware; Failed to open terminal message. Once up, the Control Center Hardware list reports 4 devices under ? Devices Acer Labs Inc Ali unknown Acer Labs Inc ALi unknown Acer Labs Inc ALi M7101 PMU National Semi Corp unknown And there are 2 devices under ? Bridge Acer Labs Inc ALi M5247 Acer Labs Inc ALi M1533 PCI to ISZ Bridge [Aladdin IV] Given a relatively short amount of testing, everything seems functional until I shutdown. I think the system has shut down normally once, but it usually hangs up somewhere. About a third of the time it hangs after displaying the message Shutting down kernel logger. I have Mandrake 8.1 and did the Update routine. I have Mandrake 8.1 unning on another PC. Seems like a waste to use this one only for Windoze until 8.2 comes out. Anyone have a fix for this board? Roger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A7V266, A7A266 and A7M266 + Winbond
Well, firstly, which bug are you referring to? I haven't heard of this yet... Secondly, I bought an A7M266 in march, but felt that certain things were funky - things like slow slow boot times (both in windows 2000 and linux), weird crashes, and what not... It's my assumption that part of the boards problems stem from the fact that it's a hybrid chipset (this reared it's ugly head even more so in windows 2000 when trying to update the drivers). so this past weekend i bought an epox 8KHA+ board ... based on the VIA KT266A chipset, it's very stable, very nice.. haven't loaded linux on it yet, though, so I can't report on that end of it yet... I need to grab another hard drive in order to get linux up and running again. On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 05:37:51PM -0500, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi, I'm still looking for a proper mobo to run Athlon 1.4Ghz + DDR mem, however I don't have many options. I would like to know from your experience if all asus mobo A7?266 has the clock bug (related to Winbond), or just some has the bug. Actually, I cannot accept a 15-40min delay per day in my computers. Here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, is quite hard to find up-to-date hardware, mobos almost only from Asus, so others brands could take too much time to appear and I cannot wait much. So if I buy an A7?266 mobo, what are my chances to get the clock bug? 100%? Or can I be luck enough to get a bug-free one? -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mandrake Control Center - been there, done that on 8.1. I found the connection sharing to be much easier to implement on 7.2. It was basically plug n play on 7.2 - all I had to do was activate it. Not so with 8.1. On 8.1, I had a client/server connection because I got a DHCP assigned address for the client just like I did with 7.2. And I could ping both the client and server. But, I couldn't ping the address of my wireless internet card, on 8.1, let alone any web address. Disabling the firewall made no difference. It's interesting all the different experiences everyone has. At 04:35 AM 11/29/2001 -0500, João Henrique da Silva Nunes Jales Ribeiro wrote: If you've seen a neat icon on your desktop refering to something called mandrake control center you should have already clicked on it. It has a strange feature that allows to QUICKLY share your internet connection. Maybe you've made your share on 7.2 the hard way, i've also done it on 7.1, but it seems to be easier on 8.1, you should check it up. On Wednesday 28 November 2001 22:14, you wrote: In regard to my problems, my internet connection sharing quit working after an upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1. And I had to do a fresh install of 8.1 in order to get the CDRW to work. 8.1 seems to break stuff. These problems probably can be fixed but an upgrade should never break stuff that's already working on an earlier version. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPAaSlYwoPKBUx8xQEQKX3QCg93DRel4V6vz5OalypSMKMREbHvMAoMaD H/m567mllvicV/FR41MkkNeJ =QxjE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I did a fresh install of 8.1 still couldn't get the internet connection sharing to work. So, I'm going to wait for another Mandrake version to come out or try some other linux distro. There are some things in 8.1 I'd like to have but... At 09:39 AM 11/29/2001 +, Nick Thompson wrote: In my experiance 8.1 is much better than 7.x. BUT, never upgrade your OS as this always seems to break stuff (my cd always fails to work again). Do a good back up and plan for a fresh install every time. It a shame the upgrade procedure doesn't work well, but a fresh install is quicker than and upgrade, which leaves you with some spare time to use the excellent tools to reconfigure a few things. Nick. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPAaTcYwoPKBUx8xQEQIo3wCfaf88g34YG59I0kWJa3PiPemgZ98AoJA5 eSD4zx0Uqq+51UygPBPmYwLK =7mkE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
At 05:53 PM 11/29/2001 +0800, Franki wrote: Its not noticably slower then 7.2 on my box here, which is an old piece of crap Pentium Pro200, 96MB ram... Lucky you. I found 8.1 significantly slower than 7.2. I'm using it on a Asus P5A-B mobo with an AMD K6/2-450 CPU and 458MB of SDRAM. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
AWSdS Hi List, AWSdS I have P4 + Asus P4B mobo + 1.5 Gb Mem SDRAM and I installed AWSdS MDK8.0 and after MDK8.1, but both only can detect 898 Mb Mem! Even if I AWSdS force 1536 Mb in lilo.conf. How can I solve this problem? AWSdS Many thanks in advance, Just use the enterprise kernel, it is included in the cds. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFS Vs. ReiserFS
El Mié 28 Nov 2001 06:12, escribió: Mandrake 8.1 has been out for a while now.. and I'm curious... I've used ReiserFS for about a year and loved it, when 8.1 came out I was too chicken to try XFS even though it looked like it was better in a lot of ways. Can anyone tell me what their experiences have been with XFS, now that people have had some time to play with it with Mdk 8.1? Has anyone switched from ReiserFS to XFS and never looked back? What's it like? :-) Under Mandrake 8.0 I had ReiserFS, and I had some problems with corrupted fs (like kernel hangs when trying to delete a file in a folder, until I done a manual reiserchk). Now I'm using XFS, and maybe is less fast (very little difference), but it seems to be rock solid. Hope this help. Salu2 óscar. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I didn't think to use the fn key previousley. On windows it automatically displays on both screens. Now that I have tried it in windows the Fn-f7 key toggles between lcd, external monitor, to both. On my bootmagic screen it toggles between external monitor and lcd (it seems like its trying to do both at one point but only the lcd displays. When I boot into linux it toggles between lcd and external monitor as above. In X it toggles between the lcd and a blank screen. Is there anything I need to change in my XF8gConfig-4 file? Am I right to assume that some of you have output to both the external monitor and lcd at the same time? Anyone get the TV out to work? Im sorry to say that the ext. monitor has always worked for me, but as i have never owned a tv out card i cant help you anymore. I can however tell you tha i have heard very good things about vga-tv converters (although they are about £100 as far as i know) - -- Tom Tomahawk Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College - --- PGP Key available from certserver.pgp.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BqufXCpWOla2mCcRAuWsAJ0eQZcCB+370spHFY+qzklgMKulwgCgjuBC a6JVFa8B+yMhEjvtzg0vIAk= =Bbix -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A7V266, A7A266 and A7M266 + Winbond
On Thursday 29 November 2001 05:37 pm, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi, I'm still looking for a proper mobo to run Athlon 1.4Ghz + DDR mem, however I don't have many options. I would like to know from your experience if all asus mobo A7?266 has the clock bug (related to Winbond), or just some has the bug. Actually, I cannot accept a 15-40min delay per day in my computers. Here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, is quite hard to find up-to-date hardware, mobos almost only from Asus, so others brands could take too much time to appear and I cannot wait much. So if I buy an A7?266 mobo, what are my chances to get the clock bug? 100%? Or can I be luck enough to get a bug-free one? The 'clock bug', VIA-IDE issues, SB Live! and other PCI issues aren't necessarily inherent to the chipsets used on the motherboards (which, BTW affect the latest Intel based systems just as much). Any chip ever made has errata associated with it. Most all Tbird boards use VIA, and/or AMD, and yes, the Winbond chipsets. Just as, if not more important is the engineering, design and quality of the motherboard in general, and particularly the trace layout and PCB implementation. While AMD never says why they recommend some boards and not others, I believe engineering, design and quality are paramount. More so than the chipsets they use. In the case of Asus, it's pretty much common knowledge that their once superior quality, has been sacrificed some in recent years, mostly due to economic pressure and competition. They've also started disappearing from AMD's recommended list, as did the Abit's. Still if you can't get an AMD recommended board for that 1.4 Tbird, I wouldn't hesitate go with an Asus. MSI and Epox would also be good choices, even Biostar or Gigabyte (but most of those are AMD apprv'd ;) There's several things you can do to ensure stability, no matter what board you get, or even if you overclock. Make sure you can increase Vcore (cpu) and IO (ram) voltages, or that they're supplied a little over default on the board you choose. That's long been possible with an Asus board, so it shouldn't be a problem. Run the Tbird at 1.82 to 1.85V, and if you can run the IO at 3.4 to 3.7V. (both 1.85 and 3.7 are on the high end acceptable spec, and _will_ provide increased stability) Next is environment. You must move a lot of air thru the case. These high wattage, high Ghz cpu's generate a lot of heat, as do the high performance video cards and power supplies to go with 'em. Keepin case temps at or near room temperature is foremost. Any inexpensive heatsink/fan will do just as well as the touted, fancy expensive, gimicky hs/fans ... any of them will need you to provide proper case ventilation. Next, but not least is power. You will need a high quality power supply, at least 300w, preferably again one that is AMD approved. Pay more attention to model numbers, as PS's are often marketed under several brand names. EG, I have a Powerman PS, but it has the same model number, is the same unit as the one Sparkle makes, and is AMD approved for the 1.4 Tbird. To go along with the power supply, you should ensure that it gets the right power. For this you need an UPS. I recommend an APC. I'm not stickin my neck out here ... APC is widely recognized as the best. I bought a BackUPS 500 several years ago for $120. I have no dea what they are now or what you can get one for in Brazil. All this said, I've been runnin a 1.4 Tbird oc'd to 1.55 Ghz for many months now, on a Soyo K7VTA Pro. AMD apprv'd, but it's an SDRAM board, not what you're looking for. If you could get your hands on a Soyo Dragon+, well then I'd think you'd have the best of what you want. I have had absolutely no VIA, IDE, or 'clock' problems. Not even the hint of any, even tho my cpu, and FSB are overclocked, and I run my IDE HDD's at udma5 -ata100 ;) Once you get it all together, if you can run 'memtest86', 'mprime (torture test), and cpuburn's 'burnK7' on it with -0- errors, and keepin the cpu temperature under 55°C max Then I doubt you'll ever have a hardware related problem with the system other than years of wear'n tear. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Burning Nero images in Linux?
El Mar 27 Nov 2001 00:24, escribió: So sprach »Oscar« am 2001-11-26 um 19:28:30 +0100 : If nero makes ISO images, and I believe it's true, simply do: Hm, doesn't nero put some other config stuff in its images? Alexander Skwar No problem, I believe. Salu2 óscar. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFS Vs. ReiserFS
well, I never tried XFS before, but ReiserFS works great here. :) On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:43:27PM +0100, Oscar wrote: :El Mié 28 Nov 2001 06:12, escribió: : Mandrake 8.1 has been out for a while now.. and I'm curious... : : I've used ReiserFS for about a year and loved it, when 8.1 came out I : was too chicken to try XFS even though it looked like it was better in a : lot of ways. : : Can anyone tell me what their experiences have been with XFS, now that : people have had some time to play with it with Mdk 8.1? Has anyone : switched from ReiserFS to XFS and never looked back? : : What's it like? :-) : :Under Mandrake 8.0 I had ReiserFS, and I had some problems with corrupted fs :(like kernel hangs when trying to delete a file in a folder, until I done a :manual reiserchk). Now I'm using XFS, and maybe is less fast (very little :difference), but it seems to be rock solid. :Hope this help. :Salu2 :óscar. : :Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? :Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
Greetings, Well, y'all, gather around: It's time for me to take a deep breath and recite a festival of pain adventure I have had... Well, to make a long story (only somewhat) shorter: To change resolution you must use the keypad + and keypad -, not the + above the = (on US keyboards). On Mdk 7.2, 8.0 (and probably 8.1), the keypad emulation in X is somewhat hosed. 1. Press and hold Shift, then Numlk on top row. (this is supposed to switch the keypad on). 2. Now, sadly, nothing happens on the keys which are double marked. (you press the numeric pad marked keys, and nothing appears). Gasp! you say, or perhaps %$*! (like I did). But relax, here's how you fix that. This hint is from: http://www.xig.com/Pages/FAQsPages/FAQsSup-3D-Answers.html For a temporary fix, open a shell and type: xmodmap -e keycode 77 = Num_Lock exactly as above, including quotes spaces. Now, pressing Shift+Numlk engages the numlock mode correctly on the keypad. So - after all this, you're thinking: Cool! I can get there from here! ...But alas, it is not to be. Even though the numeric keypad basically works (you get '3' when you press the 'l' key); pressing Ctrl-Shift-/ (which should translate to Ctrl-Shift-+) causes nothing to happen to change resolution. This is where I said %$*! again, and taking the Perl motto to heart, namely There's more than one way to do it - Soo this is how I do it: I just save the original control file and then edit it by hand to the desired resolution (Xfree uses the first one it finds in the list) and save it as XF86Config-4.1024x768, as an example). Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1600x1200 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 800x600 640x480 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection XFree86 uses the first one it finds, so change the sections to: Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection And you will end up in 1024x768 after restarting X. BTW, this problem also occurs on IBM 'space saver' keyboards that I prefer to use on desktop systems, which doesn't have a separate keypad either. However, the xmodmap fix that I just described works fine there on the desktop (where, of course, I never change resolution). However, if someone gets this working correctly on Thinkpads (I suspect this is probably a key code mapping issue of some sort) - please let me know! Sorry for the Ramble and Rant... but I first went through this whole thing about an hour before a very large and very important presentation, not that there was any pressure at the time or anything... oddly enough, that presentation was about the virtues of Linux (insert groan of irony here). But seriously - hope that this helps. David On Thursday 29 November 2001 08:10, Mark D'voo wrote: if ctrl alt +/- isn't working, you probably don't have your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file setup correctly. You need to make sure you have every resolution you want in your file Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device My Video Card Monitor S/M 955DF DefaultDepth 24 Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection mark On Friday 30 November 2001 02:58, you wrote: Whats the easiest way to change resolution? Ctrl - Alt - +/- isn't working and mandrake control center screws up my usb mouse. Thanks -- Entropy Requires No Maintenance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] CMAP - No fix?
Hi all, Ok, It's the 3rd time I post this problem to the list. I have received an answer (thank you!), but I still have the problem... The problem is, what has changed from LM 8.0 to 8.1, since in 8.0 I can run a program called cmap (http://cmap.coginst.uwf.edu/), and I can't run it in 8.1? Thanks for your help, óscar. ** This is the contents of the editor script (comes with the program): ** #!/bin/sh # # CMAPHOME=/home/oscar/cmap cd $CMAPHOME LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$CMAPHOME/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH $CMAPHOME/bin/jre -classpath $CMAPHOME/lib/rt.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/swingall.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmf.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmfbean.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/mail.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/JConfig.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/activation.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/symantec.jar kaos.core.CoreStarter $CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar $CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar ** Here is the error: ** [oscar@localhost cmap]$ ./editor SIGSEGV received at b258 in /home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads/libjava.so. Processing terminated Writing stack trace to javacore14262.txt ... OK ./editor: line 8: 14262 Violación de segmento $CMAPHOME/bin/jre -classpath $CMAPHOME/lib/rt.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/swingall.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmf.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmfbean.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/mail.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/JConfig.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/activation.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/symantec.jar kaos.core.CoreStarter $CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar $CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar ** And this is the contents of the javacore14262.txt: ** Thu Nov 29 23:16:37 2001 SIGSEGV received at b258 in /home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads/libjava.so. Processing terminated jre full version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build l118-20010115a (JIT enabled: jitc) Operating Environment - Host: localhost.localdomain OS Level: 2.4.8-34.1mdk.#1 Mon Nov 19 12:40:39 MST 2001 glibc Version : 2.2.4 No. of Procs: 1 Memory Info: total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 228712448 197005312 31707136 241664 798720 114737152 Swap: 254943232 2678784 252264448 MemTotal: 223352 kB MemFree: 30964 kB MemShared: 236 kB Buffers: 780 kB Cached: 109432 kB SwapCached: 2616 kB Active: 84092 kB Inact_dirty: 26924 kB Inact_clean: 2048 kB Inact_target: 628 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree:0 kB LowTotal: 223352 kB LowFree: 30964 kB SwapTotal: 248968 kB SwapFree: 246352 kB NrSwapPages: 61588 pages User Limits (in bytes except for NOFILE and NPROC) - RLIMIT_FSIZE: infinity RLIMIT_DATA : infinity RLIMIT_STACK: 2093056 RLIMIT_CORE : 0 RLIMIT_NOFILE : 1024 RLIMIT_NPROC: 896 Application Environment --- Signal Handlers - SIGQUIT : ignored SIGILL : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGABRT : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGFPE : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGBUS : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGSEGV : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGPIPE : ignored SIGUSR1 : unknown handler Environment Variables - PWD=/home/oscar/cmap TMPDIR=/home/oscar/tmp XAUTHORITY=/home/oscar/.Xauthority LC_MESSAGES=es_ES@euro HOSTNAME=localhost LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads:/home/oscar/cmap/li b: NLSPATH=/usr/share/locale/%l/%N CLASSPATH=/home/oscar/cmap/lib/rt.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/swingall.jar:/home /oscar/cmap/lib/jmf.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/jmfbean.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/clas ses/core.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/classes/kaos.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/mail.jar:/ home/oscar/cmap/lib/JConfig.zip:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/activation.jar:/home/osca r/cmap/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/symantec.jar LESSKEY=/etc/.less LESSOPEN=|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s LANGUAGE=es_ES:es LESS=-MM BROWSER=kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing USER=oscar LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;3 3;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:ex=01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com=01;3 2:*.btm=01;32:*.bat=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.arc=01;31:*.a rj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.lha=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:* .gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01; 35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.t iff=01;35: LC_TIME=es_ES@euro THREADS_TYPE=native_threads MACHTYPE=i586-mandrake-linux-gnu KDE_MULTIHEAD=false HELP_BROWSER=kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing MAIL=/var/spool/mail/oscar
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:59, you wrote: The point is Mdk 8.1 is one of the simplest installs to make and for the vast majority of uses, it will find and configure all the devices you have hanging on the system. compare the install of 8.1 to Suse 7.n and you'll find out how easy Mdk is, I agree wholeheartedly:) One thing I do miss since 7.1: The lovely option to minimize the installation with a 'horizontal scrollbar'. I got a working installation (not using Kde or gnome desktops) using only 250MB. I daren't go lower than that with a gui that includes kmail and multimedia video devices:) I always thought that, that was a very nifty invention, a great help, especially if you're low on resources. It seems to have been lost somewhere:( I would certainly like to see it back. Good hunting, Harm Bathoorn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
If you are using an IBM, try hitting Fn + F7 to switch between LCD and external video mode. It works on mine, I just used it on a projector the other day for a presentation on Linux. Works great. - Original Message - From: ajax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze! I've asked this question in a few places with no takers so I thought that I'd take it to the experts. I need to do a presentation at school. I thought I could use open office or kpresenter. The problem is I need to get the external out and tv out working on my laptop. This presentation will probably be using a projector so I believe getting the external monitor to work is more important. I have an ibm a21p with the ati m3 16mb video card. Any ideas? Please save me from M$!! Otherwise I don't need M$ very much. The spreadsheet program of open office isn't yet up to excel but Matlab runs on Linux so I can do all of my calculations there. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
So sprach »Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva« am 2001-11-29 um 12:05:21 -0500 : force 1536 Mb in lilo.conf. How can I solve this problem? Install the kernel-enterprise package. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 days 15 hours 28 minutes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] P4+Mem1.5G, MDK 8.1 see only 898 Mb of memory
So sprach »Michael Viron« am 2001-11-29 um 09:16:52 -0600 : which was compiled with the option for handling memory above 1 GB. Nope, it handles above 896 MiB of RAM. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 days 15 hours 28 minutes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Floppy On Mdk 8.1
On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:32, you wrote: I've got this from the list history, worked fine here: When I try mounting it says /dev/fd0 is not a block device. I was able to solve this by appending nobiospnp to the kernel boot parameter. This worked for me as well, but _why_ does it work? What is it fixing? Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please I need help
When you reinstalled mozilla, did you use the release that was on your Mandrake CDs? If not, urpme mozilla (which should also remove galeon). Then install galeon through the software manager and let it install the the mozilla there, too. If that is what you already did, then after uninstalling and before installing, remove the hidden mozilla directories in your home directory and see if that works. Joe On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:46 pm, you wrote: Should have tried the hammer first, now nothing works :) urpme mozilla went fine, it also removed galeon (dependencies). I then used Mandrake Software Manager to install galeon which depended on mozilla so it tried to install mozilla first - it failed and now I have nothing but Lynx :( Where to go from here? /Søren On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 17:43, Hoyt Duff wrote: On Wednesday 28 November 2001 11:30, you wrote: Ok - how do I uninstall Mozilla? I'm pretty much a newbie at this. Fisrt, get a large hammer . . . No, that's not right. # urpme mozilla should do it Hoyt =_1006965807-31033-20 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please help me get rid of windoze!
If I press shift numlock, the system beeps and the numlock light doesn't go on. The keys for the number pad won't even type letters. The interesting thing is the ctrl alt +/- works. In 24bit the resulting screen is distorted. It works well at 16bit. The ATI driver doesn't work at 32bit. Unfortunately the desktop doesn't shrink to fit the new resolution. Is there a way to fit the desktop to the new resolution? Thanks On November 29, 2001 02:28 pm, you wrote: Greetings, Well, y'all, gather around: It's time for me to take a deep breath and recite a festival of pain adventure I have had... Well, to make a long story (only somewhat) shorter: To change resolution you must use the keypad + and keypad -, not the + above the = (on US keyboards). On Mdk 7.2, 8.0 (and probably 8.1), the keypad emulation in X is somewhat hosed. 1. Press and hold Shift, then Numlk on top row. (this is supposed to switch the keypad on). 2. Now, sadly, nothing happens on the keys which are double marked. (you press the numeric pad marked keys, and nothing appears). Gasp! you say, or perhaps %$*! (like I did). But relax, here's how you fix that. This hint is from: http://www.xig.com/Pages/FAQsPages/FAQsSup-3D-Answers.html For a temporary fix, open a shell and type: xmodmap -e keycode 77 = Num_Lock exactly as above, including quotes spaces. Now, pressing Shift+Numlk engages the numlock mode correctly on the keypad. So - after all this, you're thinking: Cool! I can get there from here! ...But alas, it is not to be. Even though the numeric keypad basically works (you get '3' when you press the 'l' key); pressing Ctrl-Shift-/ (which should translate to Ctrl-Shift-+) causes nothing to happen to change resolution. This is where I said %$*! again, and taking the Perl motto to heart, namely There's more than one way to do it - Soo this is how I do it: I just save the original control file and then edit it by hand to the desired resolution (Xfree uses the first one it finds in the list) and save it as XF86Config-4.1024x768, as an example). Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1600x1200 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 800x600 640x480 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection XFree86 uses the first one it finds, so change the sections to: Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection And you will end up in 1024x768 after restarting X. BTW, this problem also occurs on IBM 'space saver' keyboards that I prefer to use on desktop systems, which doesn't have a separate keypad either. However, the xmodmap fix that I just described works fine there on the desktop (where, of course, I never change resolution). However, if someone gets this working correctly on Thinkpads (I suspect this is probably a key code mapping issue of some sort) - please let me know! Sorry for the Ramble and Rant... but I first went through this whole thing about an hour before a very large and very important presentation, not that there was any pressure at the time or anything... oddly enough, that presentation was about the virtues of Linux (insert groan of irony here). But seriously - hope that this helps. David On Thursday 29 November 2001 08:10, Mark D'voo wrote: if ctrl alt +/- isn't working, you probably don't have your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file setup correctly. You need to make sure you have every resolution you want in your file Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device My Video Card Monitor S/M 955DF DefaultDepth 24 Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection mark On Friday 30 November 2001 02:58, you wrote: Whats the easiest way to change resolution? Ctrl - Alt - +/- isn't working and mandrake control center screws up my usb mouse. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CMAP - No fix?
I cann't say if it is related, but one of changes between 8.1 and 8.0 that seems to be a new thing to learn is devfs, but the problems you are having, I am not sure. On Thursday 29 November 2001 17:35, you wrote: Hi all, Ok, It's the 3rd time I post this problem to the list. I have received an answer (thank you!), but I still have the problem... The problem is, what has changed from LM 8.0 to 8.1, since in 8.0 I can run a program called cmap (http://cmap.coginst.uwf.edu/), and I can't run it in 8.1? Thanks for your help, óscar. ** This is the contents of the editor script (comes with the program): ** #!/bin/sh # # CMAPHOME=/home/oscar/cmap cd $CMAPHOME LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$CMAPHOME/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH $CMAPHOME/bin/jre -classpath $CMAPHOME/lib/rt.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/swingall.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmf.jar:$CMA PHOME/lib/jmfbean.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar: $CMAPHOME/lib/mail.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/JConfig.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/activation.ja r:$CMAPHOME/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/symantec.jar kaos.core.CoreStarter $CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar $CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar ** Here is the error: ** [oscar@localhost cmap]$ ./editor SIGSEGV received at b258 in /home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads/libjava.so. Processing terminated Writing stack trace to javacore14262.txt ... OK ./editor: line 8: 14262 Violación de segmento $CMAPHOME/bin/jre -classpath $CMAPHOME/lib/rt.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/swingall.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmf.jar:$CMA PHOME/lib/jmfbean.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar: $CMAPHOME/lib/mail.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/JConfig.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/activation.ja r:$CMAPHOME/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/symantec.jar kaos.core.CoreStarter $CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar $CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar ** And this is the contents of the javacore14262.txt: ** Thu Nov 29 23:16:37 2001 SIGSEGV received at b258 in /home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads/libjava.so. Processing terminated jre full version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build l118-20010115a (JIT enabled: jitc) Operating Environment - Host : localhost.localdomain OS Level : 2.4.8-34.1mdk.#1 Mon Nov 19 12:40:39 MST 2001 glibc Version : 2.2.4 No. of Procs : 1 Memory Info: total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 228712448 197005312 31707136 241664 798720 114737152 Swap: 254943232 2678784 252264448 MemTotal: 223352 kB MemFree: 30964 kB MemShared: 236 kB Buffers: 780 kB Cached: 109432 kB SwapCached: 2616 kB Active: 84092 kB Inact_dirty: 26924 kB Inact_clean: 2048 kB Inact_target: 628 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree:0 kB LowTotal: 223352 kB LowFree: 30964 kB SwapTotal: 248968 kB SwapFree: 246352 kB NrSwapPages: 61588 pages User Limits (in bytes except for NOFILE and NPROC) - RLIMIT_FSIZE: infinity RLIMIT_DATA : infinity RLIMIT_STACK: 2093056 RLIMIT_CORE : 0 RLIMIT_NOFILE : 1024 RLIMIT_NPROC: 896 Application Environment --- Signal Handlers - SIGQUIT : ignored SIGILL : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGABRT : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGFPE : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGBUS : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGSEGV : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGPIPE : ignored SIGUSR1 : unknown handler Environment Variables - PWD=/home/oscar/cmap TMPDIR=/home/oscar/tmp XAUTHORITY=/home/oscar/.Xauthority LC_MESSAGES=es_ES@euro HOSTNAME=localhost LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads:/home/oscar/cmap /li b: NLSPATH=/usr/share/locale/%l/%N CLASSPATH=/home/oscar/cmap/lib/rt.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/swingall.jar:/h ome /oscar/cmap/lib/jmf.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/jmfbean.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/c las ses/core.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/classes/kaos.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/mail.ja r:/ home/oscar/cmap/lib/JConfig.zip:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/activation.jar:/home/o sca r/cmap/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/symantec.jar LESSKEY=/etc/.less LESSOPEN=|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s LANGUAGE=es_ES:es LESS=-MM BROWSER=kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing USER=oscar LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=4 0;3 3;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:ex=01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com=0 1;3 2:*.btm=01;32:*.bat=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.arc=01;31: *.a rj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.lha=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;3 1:* .gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg= 01;
Re: [expert] CMAP - No fix?
you can disable devfs pretty easliy in your lilo.conf. Good thing cause devfs sucks (at least from my experience) On Friday 30 November 2001 07:54, you wrote: I cann't say if it is related, but one of changes between 8.1 and 8.0 that seems to be a new thing to learn is devfs, but the problems you are having, I am not sure. On Thursday 29 November 2001 17:35, you wrote: Hi all, Ok, It's the 3rd time I post this problem to the list. I have received an answer (thank you!), but I still have the problem... The problem is, what has changed from LM 8.0 to 8.1, since in 8.0 I can run a program called cmap (http://cmap.coginst.uwf.edu/), and I can't run it in 8.1? Thanks for your help, óscar. ** This is the contents of the editor script (comes with the program): ** #!/bin/sh # # CMAPHOME=/home/oscar/cmap cd $CMAPHOME LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$CMAPHOME/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH $CMAPHOME/bin/jre -classpath $CMAPHOME/lib/rt.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/swingall.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmf.jar:$C MA PHOME/lib/jmfbean.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.j ar: $CMAPHOME/lib/mail.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/JConfig.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/activation .ja r:$CMAPHOME/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/symantec.jar kaos.core.CoreStarter $CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar $CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar ** Here is the error: ** [oscar@localhost cmap]$ ./editor SIGSEGV received at b258 in /home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads/libjava.so. Processing terminated Writing stack trace to javacore14262.txt ... OK ./editor: line 8: 14262 Violación de segmento $CMAPHOME/bin/jre -classpath $CMAPHOME/lib/rt.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/swingall.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/jmf.jar:$C MA PHOME/lib/jmfbean.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar:$CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.j ar: $CMAPHOME/lib/mail.jar:$CMAPHOME/lib/JConfig.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/activation .ja r:$CMAPHOME/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:$CMAPHOME/lib/symantec.jar kaos.core.CoreStarter $CMAPHOME/classes/core.jar $CMAPHOME/classes/kaos.jar ** And this is the contents of the javacore14262.txt: ** Thu Nov 29 23:16:37 2001 SIGSEGV received at b258 in /home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads/libjava.so. Processing terminated jre full version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build l118-20010115a (JIT enabled: jitc) Operating Environment - Host: localhost.localdomain OS Level: 2.4.8-34.1mdk.#1 Mon Nov 19 12:40:39 MST 2001 glibc Version : 2.2.4 No. of Procs: 1 Memory Info: total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 228712448 197005312 31707136 241664 798720 114737152 Swap: 254943232 2678784 252264448 MemTotal: 223352 kB MemFree: 30964 kB MemShared: 236 kB Buffers: 780 kB Cached: 109432 kB SwapCached: 2616 kB Active: 84092 kB Inact_dirty: 26924 kB Inact_clean: 2048 kB Inact_target: 628 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree:0 kB LowTotal: 223352 kB LowFree: 30964 kB SwapTotal: 248968 kB SwapFree: 246352 kB NrSwapPages: 61588 pages User Limits (in bytes except for NOFILE and NPROC) - RLIMIT_FSIZE: infinity RLIMIT_DATA : infinity RLIMIT_STACK: 2093056 RLIMIT_CORE : 0 RLIMIT_NOFILE : 1024 RLIMIT_NPROC: 896 Application Environment --- Signal Handlers - SIGQUIT : ignored SIGILL : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGABRT : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGFPE : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGBUS : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGSEGV : sysThreadIDump (libjava.so) SIGPIPE : ignored SIGUSR1 : unknown handler Environment Variables - PWD=/home/oscar/cmap TMPDIR=/home/oscar/tmp XAUTHORITY=/home/oscar/.Xauthority LC_MESSAGES=es_ES@euro HOSTNAME=localhost LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/oscar/cmap/lib/linux/native_threads:/home/oscar/cm ap /li b: NLSPATH=/usr/share/locale/%l/%N CLASSPATH=/home/oscar/cmap/lib/rt.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/swingall.jar: /h ome /oscar/cmap/lib/jmf.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/jmfbean.jar:/home/oscar/cmap /c las ses/core.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/classes/kaos.jar:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/mail. ja r:/ home/oscar/cmap/lib/JConfig.zip:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/activation.jar:/home /o sca r/cmap/lib/MRJToolkitStubs.zip:/home/oscar/cmap/lib/symantec.jar LESSKEY=/etc/.less LESSOPEN=|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s LANGUAGE=es_ES:es LESS=-MM BROWSER=kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing USER=oscar LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd =4 0;3 3;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:ex=01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com =0 1;3
Re: [expert] Fwd: Malicious use of grc.com
Gavin wrote: One would have hoped that instead of Mr. Gibson spending so much time expounding on the theoretical DoS capabilities of Raw Sockets, that he instead had used that time to properly develop his own application in order to prevent the same. Those concerned with malicious attacks from grc.com should block Gibson's netblock at the border. Cheers, Magni Sounds like this posting has a personal side to it. This is not the appropriate forum for you to further your personal agenda against grc.com. Your complaint against this web site could just as easily be lodged against any Linux beginner that installs Linux, and finds a program called nmap. And, it should be noted, nmap is a more potent port-scanner than is grc.com. Just my two cents worth... J.C. Woods UNIX SA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Strange printing issue...
I've finally gotten my printer working through the print server built into my SMC Barricade 7004ABR Firewall/Router. Everything prints fine, but there's a couple weird things I can't figure out how to get rid of. First, I get a page with nothing but '@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE=PCL3' printed at the top. Second, I get what I sent to the printer. Third, I get a blank page. Last, I get a banner page. During install, I picked lpr for printing, but when I used printerdrake and finally got the printing working, it installed some cups related stuff, so I'm not completely sure about what I'm using to print. (based on what config I've been able to dig up, I'm leaning towards cups prepping the job and sending it off, but I'm not certain) The printer is an HP DeskJet 855c, configured with the HP DeskJet 600 printer driver with the 'created by HP' note in its description. How do I get rid of the first page? How can I turn off the extra eject option to get rid of the blank page. How can I turn off the banner page option? - Theo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
hello to all; this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all something to think about. ok, you html nuts, i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can cause by sending html. i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. in doing so, i keep a lot of crap from coming in. viruses, worms, trojans and a lot of junk mail. now, because it is not on my system, i can log my isp, open up my mail account with imp, which i do not like, and kill off this email that you are complaining about. i use norton anti virus which may have caught it, but then again, it may not have. think about this. someone sends and html post to list, someone else replies with html, then another replies to both in html, and none bother to cut out unneeded quotes, which can build a message to a rather large size of junk that does not need to be. this building of html crap has casued 'x-mozilla-status: 0400' to occur with some emails for lists. on my systems, i filter all html that comes to these list and because of time it takes to edit out html labels, i may not get to it for several days. when i do, i usually end up with a file that is anywhere from 1/3 to 1/5 of original size. most viruses, worms and trojans will take up a lot of k bytes to send, as most of them are written in compiled c and c++ and vb [yuk]. not a very compact form of code writing. and makes for one more way off trapping what i do not want in my systems. another problem with html, is that it can be used to auto log a site and download viruses, worms and trojans. sometimes with out reader ever knowing that download is going on. so, once again, for your safety, and rest of members of these lists, _p_l_e_a_s_e_, do not send html messages. show your consideration along with intelligence. stop supporting crazies that like to wreck havoc. if you must play with html, play with it on you internet home pages. thank you for your time. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send text email.. text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
