Re: [expert] Linux Laptop pcmcia troubles
On Thursday 28 March 2002 13:50, you wrote: On Monday 25 March 2002 10:38 pm, you wrote: Hi listmembers, i was hoping someone out there might be able to help me with this I have installed MDK8.0 on a compaq armada 7400 ,everything wors fine ,except for the nic a pcmcia D-Link-660+ , when I try to configure the network I get insmod'ing module tlan failed at /usr/lib/libDrakX/modules.pm line510 below is the output from a modprobe tlan #modprobe tlan /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tlan.o.gz: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tlan.o.gz: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tlan.o.gz failed /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tlan.o.gz: insmod tlan failed I think I must be pretty close ,sounds to me like a conflict ,but i have no idea how to goabout fixing it . thanks in advance Jason Try: modprobe tulip Kevin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Hi Kevin , thanks for the responce here is the out put from modprobe tulip [root@localhost jason]# modprobe tulip /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz failed /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: insmod tulip failed [root@localhost jason]# same deal as the tlan error ,this has me stumped I installed the system with the lan card in the machine and it said that it had detected the card and that it had been configured , maybe this has stuffed everything up . Do you think that reinstall with out the card ,then try and configure it on a clean system? Or does anyone know of a pcmcia network card that auto configs under MDK 8.0 ,I have only just bought this card and would be able to swap it if there was an easier way ?? thanks again jason Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a second different IP for the same net-card.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:55:23 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the main config file for the NIC is on /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0... i havent found a way to put another ip on the same card using config files, so i put the above command on the rc.local file to make it available upon boot up. Just like main config file, just add :X to the name: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:1 . . . /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:X and for example ifcfg-eth0:0 DEVICE=eth0:0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=192.168.1.2 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.1.0 BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 ONBOOT=yes /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases is the script which do the actual job to bring them up... Happy Easter to all Bluebirds and Traktopellers... -- Juhani -- -- There is NO business, show business... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the file system
For my money I would use XFS every time. Its fast an recovers quickly from resets (damn that gnomemeeting junk ;) Its a problem with floppy boot disks though as the drivers are on the large size. But bootable CDs are fine for rescues. Dave Sherman wrote: On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 21:19, Mark Williamson wrote: Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the file system? any issues with NFS when using either of the file system? We are running here with ext3, but nothing is being said which would be a better choice.. I don't know if there are outstanding NFS issues with ReiserFS, but I can tell you from personal experience, Reiser is quite a bit faster than Ext3 on the systems I have tried. The only reason I would use Ext3 is if I already had the system on Ext2 and wanted to convert it without doing a backup/restore of the partition. Starting with a fresh install or new partition, I would use Reiser. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a second different IP for the same net-card.
MdkXpertList wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:55:23 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the main config file for the NIC is on /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0... i havent found a way to put another ip on the same card using config files, so i put the above command on the rc.local file to make it available upon boot up. Just like main config file, just add :X to the name: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:1 . . . /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:X and for example ifcfg-eth0:0 DEVICE=eth0:0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=192.168.1.2 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.1.0 BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 ONBOOT=yes /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases is the script which do the actual job to bring them up... Happy Easter to all Bluebirds and Traktopellers... -- Juhani -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Thanks, the classic poor man's router lives again.! Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the file system
I used Reiser for a couple months it was very fast and I only had one small (really aggravaitng ) problem. You cant play mp3 off reisers with some mp3 players. Its even noted on the reiser home page. That was enough for me to rethink my filesystem next time I updated my system. Luke Nick Thompson wrote: For my money I would use XFS every time. Its fast an recovers quickly from resets (damn that gnomemeeting junk ;) Its a problem with floppy boot disks though as the drivers are on the large size. But bootable CDs are fine for rescues. Dave Sherman wrote: On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 21:19, Mark Williamson wrote: Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the file system? any issues with NFS when using either of the file system? We are running here with ext3, but nothing is being said which would be a better choice.. I don't know if there are outstanding NFS issues with ReiserFS, but I can tell you from personal experience, Reiser is quite a bit faster than Ext3 on the systems I have tried. The only reason I would use Ext3 is if I already had the system on Ext2 and wanted to convert it without doing a backup/restore of the partition. Starting with a fresh install or new partition, I would use Reiser. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Luke Vandervort 1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Epson Stylus Color II
Make sure it's not set to print PostScript mode. Alexander Arzberger wrote: Hi all, I tried to use a Epson Stylus Color II printer with a Mandrake 8.1 machine, but the printer only prints garbage. I've selected the same named driver in the Control Center, and I'am using CUPS. Any idea how to make it work? Thanks Alex Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a second different IP for the same net-card.
cool thanks for sharing :-) --- MdkXpertList [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:55:23 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the main config file for the NIC is on /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0... i havent found a way to put another ip on the same card using config files, so i put the above command on the rc.local file to make it available upon boot up. Just like main config file, just add :X to the name: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:1 . . . /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:X and for example ifcfg-eth0:0 DEVICE=eth0:0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=192.168.1.2 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.1.0 BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 ONBOOT=yes /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases is the script which do the actual job to bring them up... Happy Easter to all Bluebirds and Traktopellers... -- Juhani -- -- There is NO business, show business... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
J. Craig Woods wrote: FemmeFatale wrote: I believe Civilme's exact words on Ext3 were: An abortion waiting to happen. I quoteth. ;p Femme -- Like so many different variations on your machine, filesytems should be made with reference to as many criteria as possible. Yes, speed is good but what if you go for speed and lose some function you might need? As a SA there are times I need to set file attributes. You know, a file gets deleted that should not have been deleted, etc. With file attribs, I have saved by butt many times. Ext3 will let me set file attributes, and reiserfs does not support them. My choice is not choice: I must go with ext2 or ext3. The bottom line is make choices based on what you need... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Interesting thread I thought to post my troubles with XFS to. When I installed md8.1 on my home system I went from reiserfs, which never gave me trouble, to using xfs which I knew from work having it on our Silicon Graphics machine. I also read a lot about it and for speed and features it seemed the best and having a high esteme for SGI I did not hesitate. Nevertheless I've experienced about 4 times so far the following (I have an IDE system disk 'quantum fireball' of 8GB): Every time there's a power cut I find a lot of files corrupted. Instead of their original contents they contain nothing but ^ (viewed with vim) characters. The files concerned are e.g. all the KDE config files of apps that were open at the time of the power cut, but I once had inittab message affected too. You can imagine that KDE wouldn't start after that in the 1st case and the whole system was fucked in the 2nd. This for me is totally unacceptable and I don't dare to imagine what this would mean for a company's production machine. My technical knowledge in this field is not sufficiant enough to pinpoint what exactly is the cause: the version of xfs included in 8.1, the way f.s. are checked (or not checked) on boot-up? I don't know. I've read before that journaling file systems didn't need to be fsck'ed but why do you find a fsck for reiser xfs then? Mar 25 All I see in the messages file is this : 22:57:40 gz kernel: Start mounting filesystem: ide0(3,6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: WARNING: recovery required on readonly filesystem. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: write access will be enabled during mount. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) I'd be glad to learn more around this from active users of xfs since I sure would like to remedy this 'russion roulete' situation. See ya, Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] high load average
I checked to see if chkrootkit is installed, and it isn't. I just don't see what process could be hung up. Unless I don't know how to fully understand the output of ps. Here is a current ps -ef. Things have not changed much from the ps -aux I attached ealier. thanks! David UIDPID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD root 1 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:06 init root 2 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [keventd] root 3 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [kapmd] root 4 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0] root 5 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:11 [kswapd] root 6 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:03 [bdflush] root 7 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:03 [kupdated] root 8 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [mdrecoveryd] root11 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [kreiserfsd] root65 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 devfsd /dev root 278 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [pagebuf_daemon] root 603 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [khubd] root 1020 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:03 syslogd -m 0 root 1029 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 klogd -2 daemon1083 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/atd root 1206 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 cupsd root 1340 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/amd -F /etc/amd.conf -a /net root 1378 1340 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [rpciod] rpc 1395 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 portmap root 1468 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/automount --timeout 60 /misc file /etc/auto.misc root 1485 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/automount --timeout 60 /net program /etc/auto.net root 1599 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 gpm -t imps2 -m /dev/psaux root 1700 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 crond xfs 1741 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:02 xfs -port -1 -daemon -droppriv -user xfs root 2030 1 0 Mar26 tty1 00:00:00 login -- david root 2031 1 0 Mar26 tty2 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty2 root 2032 1 0 Mar26 tty3 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty3 root 2033 1 0 Mar26 tty4 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty4 root 2038 1 0 Mar26 tty5 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty5 root 2039 1 0 Mar26 tty6 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6 david 2855 2030 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 -bash david 2940 2855 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/openwin/bin/startx david 2957 2940 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 xinit /home/david/.xinitrc -- -deferglyphs 16 root 2959 2957 0 Mar26 ?00:04:06 /etc/X11/X :0 -deferglyphs 16 david 3053 2957 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 sh /home/david/.xinitrc david 3054 3053 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:05 /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2 david 3159 3054 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm2/FvwmButtons 7 4 /etc/X11/fvwm2/menu 0 8 david 3161 3054 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm2/FvwmAnimate 9 4 /etc/X11/fvwm2/menu 0 8 david 3163 1 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 xclock david 3165 3054 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm2/FvwmPager 11 4 /etc/X11/fvwm2/menu 0 8 0 0 david 3167 1 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 xload -jumpscroll 1 -nolabel david 3169 1 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 xbiff david 3170 1 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 xeyes david 4037 3054 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 /bin/sh -c /usr/lib/cups/scripts/cupsWebAdmin 1/dev/null 2/dev/null david 4038 4037 0 Mar26 tty1 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/cups/scripts/cupsWebAdmin david 4039 4038 0 Mar26 tty1 00:00:35 /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator http://localhost:631/ david 4090 4039 0 Mar26 tty1 00:00:00 (dns helper) david 7221 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 oafd --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=11 david 7295 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:04 /usr/bin/medusa-idled david20202 3054 0 Mar27 vc/1 00:00:36 /usr/bin/gmc --nodesktop david20204 1 0 Mar27 ?00:00:00 gnome-name-service david23026 1 0 Mar27 tty1 00:00:00 /usr/bin/gconfd-1 6 david23047 1 0 Mar27 vc/1 00:00:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.real -name Terminal -sb -sl 1500 -ls david23056 23047 0 Mar27 pts/000:00:00 -bash david24143 1 0 Mar27 vc/1 00:00:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.real -name Terminal -sb -sl 1500 -ls david24152 24143 0 Mar27 pts/500:00:00 -bash david24207 24152 0 Mar27 pts/500:00:05 pan david24209 24207 0 Mar27 pts/500:00:00 pan david24210 24209 0 Mar27 pts/500:00:00 pan david 1433 24209 0 06:41 pts/500:00:00 pan david 1445 24209 0 06:42 pts/500:00:00 pan david 1453 24209 0 06:42 pts/500:00:00 pan david 1457 23056 0 06:43 pts/000:00:00 ps -ef Angus Beath wrote: David, it may be a kernel process that's hung up somewhere. Having just had my machine doing weird things with load, check and see if you have chkrootkit installed - it hung my
Re: [expert] Abiword MDK-8.2
El jue, 28-03-2002 a las 06:30, Damian escribió: El mar, 26-03-2002 a las 15:01, Fedneg escribió: Hello: I can't find Abiword in MDK-8.2 download version. I've tried to install latest cooker *.src.rpm but compilation gives me errors. Finally, I tried to install the rpm binaries from the project home page. Again got errors: libpng.so.2 is needed. Has someone got installed the latest version of Abiword in MDK-8.2? Fedneg You will find the lastest abiword RPM for mandrake (and more cool apps) in the contrib folder in any ftp mirror. For example: ftp://ftp.cica.es/pub/Linux/Mandrake/8.2/contrib/RPMS Then you do not need to install other rpm binaries. -- .-. oo| /`'\ Usuario de Linux Registrado #227443 (\_;/) http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abiword MDK-8.2
- Original Message - From: Fedneg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: [expert] Abiword MDK-8.2 Hello: I can't find Abiword in MDK-8.2 download version. IIRC, it was moved to contribs. Someone official explained why a few weeks ago. Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a second different IP for the same net-card.
Thank you a lot. On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, MdkXpertList wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:55:23 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the main config file for the NIC is on /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0... i havent found a way to put another ip on the same card using config files, so i put the above command on the rc.local file to make it available upon boot up. Just like main config file, just add :X to the name: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:1 . . . /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:X and for example ifcfg-eth0:0 DEVICE=eth0:0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=192.168.1.2 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.1.0 BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 ONBOOT=yes /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases is the script which do the actual job to bring them up... Happy Easter to all Bluebirds and Traktopellers... -- Juhani -- -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems with sshd
hi james does your /etc/hosts.allow allow sshd? does it have something like the entry below? sshd: ALL you can also try troubleshooting by telnet: bash$ telnet 192.168.1.200 22 Trying 192.168.1.100... Connected to 192.168.1.200. Escape character is '^]'. SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.0.2p1 hth dianne --- James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, my gateway box just started this one. It refuses all ssh connections from every box but intself. (outside or inside the network) The only error message is fatal: xfree: NULL POINTER given as argument. X isn't installed on this box. ssh_config and sshd_config both have X11 forwarding disabled. I've sshd into about 3 boxes outside my net and from 3 boxes inside all give the same error... Even a windwoze box. The only way to ssh into the box is from the webmin java applet... That gets in fine. Any Ideas where to look? I haven't made any changes in config on this box in weeks and it just started this crap today. Heck I even tried a windows fix reboot. that didn't get it. All else works fine. Traffic flows. I currently Running openssh-2.1.1p4-1 openssh-clients-2.1.1p1-1 openssh-askpass-2.1.1-p4-1 openssh-server-2.1.1p4-1 kernel 2.2.19 ipchains NAT Dual nic (3com internal tulip external) out of hair. *grin* James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Apache on 8.2
--- J. Craig Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: i beg to disagree ... on mandrake apache rpms, you dont have to specify the DocumentRoot on its httpd.conf, it is specified on commonhttpd.conf which is called by httpd.conf file as an Include item. Your version must be different from mine. # rpm -qa|grep apache apache-common-1.3.22-1.1mdk apache-1.3.22-1.1mdk apache-modules-1.3.22-1.1mdk apache-manual-1.3.22-1.1mdk apache-suexec-1.3.22-1.1mdk apache-mod_perl-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk apache-conf-1.3.22-1.1mdk I have DocumentRoot specified in http.conf, and have it commented out in commonhttpd.conf. I do *have* to have it specified in httpd.conf or else it will not work. on my version of apache, there is not any line with DocumentRoot. # grep DocumentRoot httpd.conf But you seem to be saying that it must be specified in *one* of these files, and, if that is what you are saying, you are right but you are inaccurate in saying it must be in the commonhttpd.conf file. to me, you dont even need the commonhttpd.conf file or any other of the *.conf ... the only important one is httpd.conf. the RH layout apache just separated parts of the main httpd.conf file to be easily managable. the Include statements call all of those other *.conf. when apache program loads, it looks at it as one big httpd.conf file. Include conf/commonhttpd.conf Include conf/vhosts/Vhosts.conf #Include conf/vhosts/DynamicVhosts.conf #Include conf/vhosts/VirtualHomePages.conf Include conf/addon-modules/php.conf Include conf/ssl/mod_ssl.conf Include conf/ssl/ssl.default-vhost.conf i didnt mean the DocumentRoot entry should *only* be on commonhttpd.conf, you can find that too on Vhosts.conf if you have other virtual hosts. what i am only trying to point out is ... for this RH layout apache, the GlobalSettings which include DocumentRoot for the main webserver is usually on commonhttpd.conf. I, also, was less than accurate in making a statement that read as though both files must have DocumentRoot specified. In fact, commonhttpd.conf clearly reads DO NOT MODIFY THIS ONE, USE httpd.conf for the DocumentRoot entry. actually the do not modify thing is on the httpd.conf on this mdk version of apache on 8.1 [root@dm conf]# head httpd.conf ### Main Configuration Section ### You really shouldn't change these settings unless you're a guru ### ServerType standalone ServerRoot /etc/httpd #ServerName localhost #LockFile /etc/httpd/httpd.lock PidFile /var/run/httpd.pid ScoreBoardFile /etc/httpd/httpd.scoreboard ErrorLog logs/error_log Thanks for your edification on this issue... tee hee :-) these kinds of info need to be cleared. if im wrong, id gladly want to be corrected. that way, i learn too. cheers, dianne -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Fwd: Re: [expert] /bin/cat initiated by kwrited in KDE
hi civileme /listers, i have 8.1 installed on my system now and kde 2.2 too [root@rayearth conf]# rpm -qa|grep kde kdelibs-sound-2.2.1-5mdk kdegraphics-2.2.1-2mdk kdemultimedia-devel-2.2.1-2mdk kdesdk-2.2.1-1mdk kdev_htdig-1.1-2mdk kdelibs-2.2.1-5mdk kdemultimedia-2.2.1-2mdk kdenetwork-devel-2.2.1-2mdk kdepim-2.2.1-1mdk kdebase-2.2.1-7mdk kdenetwork-2.2.1-2mdk kdetoys-2.2.1-1mdk kdelibs-devel-2.2.1-5mdk kdevelop-2.0.1-1mdk kdeadmin-2.2.1-2mdk kdeutils-2.2.1-2mdk but i still have that /bin/cat process :-( [root@dm conf]# ps ax|grep cat 2584 pts/0S 0:00 /bin/cat 15642 ?S 2:44 /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator -session-mana 16397 pts/8D 0:00 grep cat [root@dm conf]# care to update us on this? did the temporary measure become permanent? i still dont see it on other distros (rh and slackware to be exact). cheers, dianne --- civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], DM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] /bin/cat initiated by kwrited in KDE Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:37:43 -0400 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is KDE 2.1.1 and I am not sure whether kwrited or kdeinit starts it but it is visible when one does a w on a terminal from kde (not from other window managers). It was apparently an error monitor transmission to xsession-errors and a temporary measure by one of our KDE team without telling the others because the team leader is unaware of what it is for. I think it may have been a dodge to get Mandrake Control Center to open without crashing and without using a Terminal (another legacy from the broken default theme from Nautilus/Eazel since our MCC was using GTK+ widgets). It does not appear on kde 2.2. Civileme On Thursday 16 August 2001 11:24, DM wrote: hi mike, thanks for checking what it is concatenating ... i dont see that /bin/cat on other KDE installations of other distros that is why im asking Civilme (mandrake) if it was a bug or not. if not, what is it for? dianne --- mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not civilme, and I haven't put alot of effort into the investigation, but this does not appear to be not doing anything. If I had to guess I would say it is monitoring something, it has stdout and stderr pointing to .xsession-errors, and has a bunch of pipes open. Has anybody considered porting truss to linux ;-) mg On Thursday 16 August 2001 07:24, DM wrote: follow up again =( civilme? any comments on this? its not eating up resources or anything but its quite annoying and confusing to see that there is /bin/cat running and its not doing anything ... you dont know what it is concatenating? just a simple 'yes, its a bug and MDK is working on it' will suffice. however, if you can provide a fix, it will be better. dianne --- J. C. Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DM wrote: following up on this ... can anybody from MandrakeSoft answer what this /bin/cat is for? why is it initiated by kwrited ? is this a bug? --- DM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here! Here! Good question. Any thoughts, Mandrake? drjung __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] high load average
you could try running vmstat see what it reports Regards Rob Scott ===Mail06= The information in this E-Mail and in any attachments is CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please destroy this message and notify the sender immediately. You should NOT retain, copy or use this E-mail for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its contents to any other person or persons. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, EXCEPT where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Lloyd's. Lloyd's may monitor the content of E-mails sent and received via its network for viruses or unauthorised use and for other lawful business purposes. Lloyd's is regulated by the Financial Services Authority ===Mail06= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
Brian Parish wrote: Civileme wrote a nice piece on this either here or on newbie a few weeks back. His answer: XFS Basically the reasoning came down to: XFS and Reiser are pretty much line ball on performance with ext3 a distant 3rd and XFS is simpler and probably a bit more stable. Good enough for me. I'm using XFS, have installed it on several customers' machines and have had no reason to regret the choice. Just works. Brian On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 14:19, Mark Williamson wrote: Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the file system? any issues with NFS when using either of the file system? We are running here with ext3, but nothing is being said which would be a better choice.. Cheers Mark I believe Civilme's exact words on Ext3 were: An abortion waiting to happen. I quoteth. ;p Femme -- Yikes! and I just installed 8.2 on my new Dell with ext3. What was I thinking? daRcmaTTeR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Open Off ice and anti-aliased fonts
The fonts in Open Office's Calc spreadsheed aren't anti-aliased, and really don't look good. Anyone manage to get nice, anti-aliased fonts for Open Office? -- Stephen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] toshiba laptop (OT)
Hey guys, Problem is this; does anyone know if I can just use plain old 144 sodimms for any toshiba in my 315CDT or if I have to go with the ones specifically for that model? I wouldn't think it would make a difference, but they have gone to the trouble of making SEVERAL different part numbers to cover all the different toshiba laptops. Thanks! Mike -- Michael Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.holt-tech.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (Y/N) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Linux Laptop pcmcia troubles
Hi Kevin , thanks for the responce here is the out put from modprobe tulip [root@localhost jason]# modprobe tulip /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz failed /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: insmod tulip failed [root@localhost jason]# same deal as the tlan error ,this has me stumped I installed the system with the lan card in the machine and it said that it had detected the card and that it had been configured , maybe this has stuffed everything up . Do you think that reinstall with out the card ,then try and configure it on a clean system? Or does anyone know of a pcmcia network card that auto configs under MDK 8.0 ,I have only just bought this card and would be able to swap it if there was an easier way ?? thanks again jason Jason, Reinstalling isn't really necessary. There's two things that could be affecting you. First, make sure your pcmcia drivers and service are started. - chkconfig --list, look for pcmcia to be 'on' in levels 3 and 5 at least - /sbin/lsmod, look for modules such as pcmcia_cs and some others that have pcmcia in the name Second, does the card come with a driver disk? Sometimes they provide linux drivers on the disk, which you can use to identify the driver you need. Don't use this driver (I wouldn't anyway), but just get the name of the module. I think it's tulip, since that what I see the DE-660 using, but I could be wrong (your's being a 660+). You may need to post a message to the linux driver mailing list: http://www.scyld.com/mailman/listinfo/ to see if someone out there has this card working. Kevin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [Fwd: New Bill attempts to regulate hardware,software development]
The following is a copy of the letter sent to Max Sandlin regarding this issue. Fell free to use it as a draft to send to your congressman. VIA FACSIMILE: (202) 225-5866 Congressman Max Sandlin 324 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 Re: Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act Dear Mr. Sandlin: I write to voice opposition to the current bill commonly known as the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act formerly known as the SSSCA. The bill is offensive on two fronts. First, the bill would undermine the Fair Use Provision of the Copyright Act, which would be detrimental to consumer and constituent rights. Second, the bill would stifle innovation and development of new technologies that have broader application and benefit to the public. Of particular concern is its potential damage to competition in the operating system marketplace. As you are well aware, there has been much litigation regarding the predatory practices of the monopoly created by Microsoft. While Microsoft is a U.S. company that would be subject to the CBDTPA, its largest viable competitor at this point, Linux, is a global effort against which the CBDTPA could not be enforced. If the CBDTPA were to become law, and restrictions placed upon the use and development of Linux within the U.S., that would serve to further cement the monopoly position Microsoft presently holds and would add to its ability to engage in predatory practices in the future. Based upon the foregoing, I kindly request that you make the voice of the public heard and oppose this bill. The corrupting influence of the entertainment industry campaign contributions and monopolistic power of U.S. software manufacturers cannot be allowed to obliterate the fair use provisions of the U.S. Copyright Act or stifle competition within the computer software operating system market. Very truly yours, David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 1329 N. University, Suite D4 Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] msec and xsane
--- On Wed 03/27, Rob Gillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I may be wrong, but it probably has something to do with Mandrake >using > the secure kernel. It removes some userspace functionality for >safety. I booted into the enterprise kernel though... And the changes from higher to high and vice versa happen instantly (scanner doesn't work then does), if they are actually changing which kernel is to be used wouldn't I need to reboot, because you can't change the kernel in use without rebooting as far as I know (I think kernel updates are the only reasons I ever HAD to reboot). That's why I was thinking it may be something with permissions of whether a program can or cannot use certain hardware (/dev/sg0 in this case). I have no clue... Is there any very detailed document explaining what changes happen when switching security levels in msec? > gikoreno wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I just checked the newbie and expert lists, and couldn't find > anything > > that answered this question... > > > > I just installed Mandrake 8.2, but kept my previous Mdk 8.1 /home > > partition. I used to have xsane working, and I ran scannerdrake and I > > > can't seem to get the scanner working with msec on "Higher. > > > > I haven't figured out as of yet what the problem is, but I was > > suspecting it's something that has to do with permissions because: > > > > - regardless what msec is set to, if I run sane-find-scanner as root, > > > my scanner is found at /dev/sg0 > > > > - if I set the security settings to "standard" everything > works (i.e. > > xsane works too) It will also work if I set msec to "High" > > > > - if I set it back to higher, although I can "find" the > scanner with > > sane-find-scanner as root, I cannot open xsane (even as root) because > > > "xsane: no devices available". > > > > Where could I make the permissions change to enable the scanner for > > all users, but keep the system on msec "Higher"? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] high load average
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, David Savolainen wrote: I checked to see if chkrootkit is installed, and it isn't. I just don't see what process could be hung up. Unless I don't know how to fully understand the output of ps. Here is a current ps -ef. Things have not changed much from the ps -aux I attached ealier. thanks! David UIDPID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD root 1 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:06 init root 2 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [keventd] root 3 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [kapmd] root 4 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0] root 5 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:11 [kswapd] root 6 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:03 [bdflush] root 7 0 0 Mar26 ?00:00:03 [kupdated] root 8 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [mdrecoveryd] root11 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [kreiserfsd] root65 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 devfsd /dev root 278 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [pagebuf_daemon] root 603 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [khubd] root 1020 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:03 syslogd -m 0 root 1029 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 klogd -2 daemon1083 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/atd root 1206 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 cupsd root 1340 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/amd -F /etc/amd.conf -a /net root 1378 1340 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 [rpciod] rpc 1395 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 portmap root 1468 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/automount --timeout 60 /misc file /etc/auto.misc root 1485 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/automount --timeout 60 /net program /etc/auto.net root 1599 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 gpm -t imps2 -m /dev/psaux root 1700 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:00 crond xfs 1741 1 0 Mar26 ?00:00:02 xfs -port -1 -daemon -droppriv -user xfs root 2030 1 0 Mar26 tty1 00:00:00 login -- david root 2031 1 0 Mar26 tty2 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty2 root 2032 1 0 Mar26 tty3 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty3 root 2033 1 0 Mar26 tty4 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty4 root 2038 1 0 Mar26 tty5 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty5 root 2039 1 0 Mar26 tty6 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6 david 2855 2030 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 -bash david 2940 2855 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/openwin/bin/startx david 2957 2940 0 Mar26 vc/1 00:00:00 xinit /home/david/.xinitrc -- -deferglyphs 16 root 2959 2957 0 Mar26 ?00:04:06 /etc/X11/X :0 -deferglyphs 16 David, I always suspect the process with the highest cpu time. What is process PID # 2959, /etc/X11/X on the line above, suppose to be doing? 4 minutes and 6 seconds is a lot of processor time. What would happen if you kill it? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
Attn: Civeleme and J. Craig Woods (and others): I've started this page to accumulate information about filesystems, including some sort of comparative rating of journaling filesystems: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxFilesystems It is intended to be more or less a summary rather than getting into all the details, although if I begin to collect details I can add them (or you can add them, as it is a wiki), maybe on sub pages dedicated to each particular file system. Currrently the comparative rating is something I call the C.Rating (for civileme), and it is a rating I applied to the journaling filesystems without looking up civileme's old post(s). Civileme -- if you have time please look over the page and give me any comments you may have (or objections to using your name, or whatever). J. Craig Woods -- (is there a short form of your name that you use?) -- I'm not sure if I know what you mean by the attribs -- I assume you mean the -rwxrwxrwx permissions on a typical Linux file. Does this also include the concepts of owner and group? (i.e., reiser does not support those?) Maybe you meant the more dos like attributes, like hidden, read-only, archive, and hidden? (I get the impression some Linux filesystems include those attributes.) Everybody else -- additions and judicious editing are solicited. You will have to register at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration by providing your name, email address (which is spam proofed on twiki.org), and your home country -- a very onerous set of requirements ;-) regards, Randy Kramer J. Craig Woods wrote: Like so many different variations on your machine, filesytems should be made with reference to as many criteria as possible. Yes, speed is good but what if you go for speed and lose some function you might need? As a SA there are times I need to set file attributes. You know, a file gets deleted that should not have been deleted, etc. With file attribs, I have saved by butt many times. Ext3 will let me set file attributes, and reiserfs does not support them. My choice is not choice: I must go with ext2 or ext3. The bottom line is make choices based on what you need... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Open Off ice and anti-aliased fonts
Dave Sherman wrote: They work fine for me. I use both Times New Roman and Arial, and both are perfectly anti-aliased. I am running OpenOffice build 641C. Dave, Are these fonts native Linux fonts, from OpenOffice, or perhaps Microsoft TrueType? Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a second different IP for the same net-card.
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 02:38, civileme wrote: MdkXpertList wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:55:23 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the main config file for the NIC is on /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0... i havent found a way to put another ip on the same card using config files, so i put the above command on the rc.local file to make it available upon boot up. Just like main config file, just add :X to the name: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:1 . . . /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:X and for example ifcfg-eth0:0 DEVICE=eth0:0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=192.168.1.2 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.1.0 BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 ONBOOT=yes /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases is the script which do the actual job to bring them up... Happy Easter to all Bluebirds and Traktopellers... -- Juhani -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Thanks, the classic poor man's router lives again.! Civileme They never died. They were just hiding in the background. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
Randy Kramer wrote: J. Craig Woods -- (is there a short form of your name that you use?) -- I'm not sure if I know what you mean by the attribs -- I assume you mean the -rwxrwxrwx permissions on a typical Linux file. Does this also include the concepts of owner and group? (i.e., reiser does not support those?) Maybe you meant the more dos like attributes, like hidden, read-only, archive, and hidden? (I get the impression some Linux filesystems include those attributes.) Randy, Short form of name=drjung File attributes are not file permissions. File permissions, as most of us know, are the means by which we can assign read, write, and execute permissions to a file. Assigning file attributes to a file will allow us to manipulate the file in other ways. For example, as the SA I might take a file that belongs to JoeUser, this is a file he can read and write to, and I might assign the i switch to it, chattr -i somefile. Now this file cannot be modified or deleted. I could just as well assign the u switch, and now, if the file is accidentally deleted, we can undelete it. These are just some examples that jump off the top of my head. There are many uses for file attributes. man chattr man lsattr The web page sounds like a good idea, and you can use whatever little bit I know about anything. Good job, Randy, and thanks. -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Quake3 on 8.2?
Does anyone installed quake 3 on a computer runign 8.2? It seems that there are several libs with newest version thant that quake 3 is looking for!!! This are the results of trying run quake after a good installation; my computer has a Voodo3 3000 and quake3 run without problems until 8.1 [francisco@MU1-1A-u-0534 quake3]$ ./quake quake3 quake3.x86 [francisco@MU1-1A-u-0534 quake3]$ ./quake3 Q3 1.11 linux-i386 Nov 24 1999 - FS_Startup - Current search path: /home/francisco/.q3a/baseq3 ./baseq3/pak0.pk3 (3539 files) ./baseq3 -- execing default.cfg execing q3config.cfg couldn't exec autoexec.cfg - Client Initialization - - Initializing Renderer --- - Client Initialization Complete - --- Common Initialization Complete --- Opening IP socket: localhost:27960 Hostname: MU1-1A-u-0534 IP: 192.168.0.1 - R_Init - ...loading libGL.so: QGL_Init: Can't load libGL.so from /etc/ld.so.conf or current dir: libglide2x.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directoryfailed ...loading libMesaVoodooGL.so: QGL_Init: Can't load libMesaVoodooGL.so from /etc/ld.so.conf or current dir: libglide2x.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory failed - CL_Shutdown - RE_Shutdown( 1 ) --- - CL_Shutdown - --- Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem Any clues will be welcome Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
daRcmaTTeR wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Civileme wrote a nice piece on this either here or on newbie a few weeks back. His answer: XFS Basically the reasoning came down to: XFS and Reiser are pretty much line ball on performance with ext3 a distant 3rd and XFS is simpler and probably a bit more stable. Good enough for me. I'm using XFS, have installed it on several customers' machines and have had no reason to regret the choice. Just works. Brian On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 14:19, Mark Williamson wrote: Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the file system? any issues with NFS when using either of the file system? We are running here with ext3, but nothing is being said which would be a better choice.. Cheers Mark I believe Civilme's exact words on Ext3 were: An abortion waiting to happen. I quoteth. ;p Femme -- Yikes! and I just installed 8.2 on my new Dell with ext3. What was I thinking? daRcmaTTeR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Don't worry about it. Just set non-jpournaling mode and there is no performance hit. Or just convert to ext2 and there is no problem Or live with the performance hit -- there are two modes left and one is much slower than the other. Still, in a journaling mode, all my tests say ext3 is the tail end of the normally used filesystems for performance. But then my tests involved moving data, not timing the loading of programs. In fact 44% of the weight of the test scores were on a simulated mailserver performance and the rest on large file copies. ext3 is very very slow on file destroy operations and somewhat slow on creation. update and load seem almost normal. Sorry for the vehemence of the post. I was just off a system test where ext3 failed me on a LVM... A very arcane use. My hobby is breaking filesystems. In normal use ext3 should be solid, and if you mostly run programs and don't handle big databases, you may not notice the performance hits. In some sense, ext3 may be safer than ext2, but I am not sure. Ext2 is extraordinarily well-designed. The difference between ext3 and ext3 in recovery is like a 50G partition will take a minute or so with ext3(in a journaling mode) for recovery from an unexpected power-down, and it could take up to 4 hours or more with ext2. Reiser is maturing nicely, but still doesn't like postfix. I am keeping some partitions open with JFS. My programs are no longer able to break it, and it is faster than most others, but you pay that back in its use of extra storage for the same amount of data and an actual need to run defragmentation programs (I set that up as a cron job for the 4 am schedule). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
J. Craig Woods wrote: File attributes are not file permissions. File permissions, as most of us know, are the means by which we can assign read, write, and execute permissions to a file. Assigning file attributes to a file will allow us to manipulate the file in other ways. For example, as the SA I might take a file that belongs to JoeUser, this is a file he can read and write to, and I might assign the i switch to it, chattr -i somefile. Now this file cannot be modified or deleted. I could just as well assign the u switch, and now, if the file is accidentally deleted, we can undelete it. These are just some examples that jump off the top of my head. There are many uses for file attributes. man chattr man lsattr Thanks! Had heard of Linux file attributes, but had never dug into them at all. The web page sounds like a good idea, and you can use whatever little bit I know about anything. Thanks! I've revised the page (http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxFilesystems) based on the clarification you provided, and added your name as a contributor. As it is a wiki, you can expect further modification by me or others (even yourself). Good job, Randy, and thanks. Thank you, I hope it turns out to be helpful! Well, I know it will -- it will be helpful to me if no one else. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] msec and xsane
Is there any very detailed document explaining what changes happen when switching security levels in msec? This may help: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php -- Tim C Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Irregular Mouse in 8.2
Hello All, I've installed 8.2 with X11 4.2 (non-accelerated) and now whenever I logon using gdm or xdm, the mouse stops working. To make the mouse work, I have to switch console (ctrl+alt+nay other console) and then back to the X cosole, and the mouse works fine. I am using a stock standard ps2 wheel mouse. Any ideas? Thanks George Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
civileme grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Reiser is maturing nicely, but still doesn't like postfix. Huh? I'm running Postfix on my machine, and every filesystem except for /boot (which is ext2) is ReiserFS. Neither one seems to be complaining about the other. :-) What do you mean by Reiser doesn't like Postfix? puzzled look I am keeping some partitions open with JFS. My programs are no longer able to break it, and it is faster than most others, but you pay that back in its use of extra storage for the same amount of data and an actual need to run defragmentation programs (I set that up as a cron job for the 4 am schedule). There's a defrag program for Linux? --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sed and special characters
If the '/' is what is giving you problems then write your sed line with something else. It is setup to use pretty much any character after the 's' This example uses @ instead, I've also seen % used. but pretty much anything will work: sed -e 's@a_pattern@anotherpattern'$ENV_VAR'@' myfile.txt -Kyle Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List, I'm trying to: sed -e 's/a_pattern/another_pattern'$A_ENV_VAR'/' myfile.txt if my $A_ENV_VAR has no special character 'sed' works, however if it has special character (like a full path name: A_ENV_VAR=/usr/local/temp) 'sed' doesn't work. How could I overcome this problem? Many thanks in advance. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- _ ---ooO( )Ooo--- Kyle J. McDonald (o o) Systems Support Engineer Sun Microsystems Inc.| Enterprise Server Products[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Network Drive BUR03-4630 \\\// voice: (781) 442-2184 Burlington, MA 01803 (o o)fax: (781) 442-1542 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] File corruption with XFS after powerfail.
Hi all, When I installed md8.1 on my home system I went from reiserfs, which never gave me trouble, to using xfs which I knew from work having it on our Silicon Graphics machine. I also read a lot about it and for speed and features it seemed the best and having a high esteme for SGI I did not hesitate. Nevertheless I've experienced about 4 times so far the following (I have an IDE system disk 'quantum fireball' of 8GB): Every time there's a power cut I find a lot of files corrupted. Instead of their original contents they contain nothing but ^ (viewed with vim) characters. The files concerned are e.g. all the KDE config files of apps that were open at the time of the power cut, but I once had inittab message affected too. You can imagine that KDE wouldn't start after that in the 1st case and the whole system was fucked in the 2nd. This for me is totally unacceptable and I don't dare to imagine what this would mean for a company's production machine. My technical knowledge in this field is not sufficiant enough to pinpoint what exactly is the cause: the version of xfs included in 8.1, the way f.s. are checked (or not checked) on boot-up? I don't know. I've read before that journaling file systems didn't need to be fsck'ed but why do you find a fsck for reiser xfs then? Mar 25 All I see in the messages file is this : 22:57:40 gz kernel: Start mounting filesystem: ide0(3,6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: WARNING: recovery required on readonly filesystem. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: write access will be enabled during mount. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) I'd be glad to learn more around this from active users of xfs since I sure would like to remedy this 'russion roulete' situation. See ya, Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
David Guntner wrote: civileme grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Reiser is maturing nicely, but still doesn't like postfix. Huh? I'm running Postfix on my machine, and every filesystem except for /boot (which is ext2) is ReiserFS. Neither one seems to be complaining about the other. :-) What do you mean by Reiser doesn't like Postfix? puzzled look I am keeping some partitions open with JFS. My programs are no longer able to break it, and it is faster than most others, but you pay that back in its use of extra storage for the same amount of data and an actual need to run defragmentation programs (I set that up as a cron job for the 4 am schedule). There's a defrag program for Linux? --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Same setup, corrupted na dunrecoverable /var after a week's heavy traffic. Problem is, this has to occur only _once_ to sour ones outlook til the next version. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Write access to windows partition for users
I need read/write access to my windows partition The relevant line in /etc/fstab is: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user,rw 0 0 Output from $ mount is: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/windows type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) With windows partition not mounted, $ ll /mnt gives: drwxrwxrwx2 root root 4096 Mar 22 13:21 windows/ After # mount /mnt/windows , $ ll /mnt gives: drwxr-xr-x 30 root root16384 Dec 31 1969 windows/ I found a thread in archives back in Feb. about this problem, but no solution, just some interesting try this. My system is vanilla 8.2 from clean install. I didn't have this problem with previous versions on same hardware. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] File corruption with XFS after powerfail.
Guy Zelck wrote: Hi all, When I installed md8.1 on my home system I went from reiserfs, which never gave me trouble, to using xfs which I knew from work having it on our Silicon Graphics machine. I also read a lot about it and for speed and features it seemed the best and having a high esteme for SGI I did not hesitate. Nevertheless I've experienced about 4 times so far the following (I have an IDE system disk 'quantum fireball' of 8GB): Every time there's a power cut I find a lot of files corrupted. Instead of their original contents they contain nothing but ^ (viewed with vim) characters. The files concerned are e.g. all the KDE config files of apps that were open at the time of the power cut, but I once had inittab message affected too. You can imagine that KDE wouldn't start after that in the 1st case and the whole system was fucked in the 2nd. This for me is totally unacceptable and I don't dare to imagine what this would mean for a company's production machine. My technical knowledge in this field is not sufficiant enough to pinpoint what exactly is the cause: the version of xfs included in 8.1, the way f.s. are checked (or not checked) on boot-up? I don't know. I've read before that journaling file systems didn't need to be fsck'ed but why do you find a fsck for reiser xfs then? Mar 25 All I see in the messages file is this : 22:57:40 gz kernel: Start mounting filesystem: ide0(3,6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: WARNING: recovery required on readonly filesystem. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: write access will be enabled during mount. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) I'd be glad to learn more around this from active users of xfs since I sure would like to remedy this 'russion roulete' situation. See ya, Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com My poweroff tests (random pulling of plug) have never produced anything akin to this. Perhaps we need a little more detail on your system. Theoretically this is possible on any FS at all, If you have a powerdown with the processor running wild from low voltage, you could get random data strewn all over your system, including writes to disk that make no sense. KDE is constantly updating disk files on the positions of open windows, so it is likely to be out of sync on a powerdown, but again I have not seen this on a similar rig. (I did see it for Reiser on 8.0 and again on 8.1 where reiserfsck --rebuild-tree would not work. fsck is still necessary. Journal playback is often enough for most journaling filewsystems, but the capability of any system to produce errors in boundary conditions naturally exceeds any programmer's capability to anticipate them, according to the Laws propounded by Murphy. All journaling filesystems we offer provide an fsck of some sort. Civileme Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Write access to windows partition for users
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:08:51 -0500 Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need read/write access to my windows partition The relevant line in /etc/fstab is: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user,rw 0 0 Output from $ mount is: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/windows type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) With windows partition not mounted, $ ll /mnt gives: drwxrwxrwx2 root root 4096 Mar 22 13:21 windows/ After # mount /mnt/windows , $ ll /mnt gives: drwxr-xr-x 30 root root16384 Dec 31 1969 windows/ I found a thread in archives back in Feb. about this problem, but no solution, just some interesting try this. My system is vanilla 8.2 from clean install. I didn't have this problem with previous versions on same hardware. just add umask=0 in the 4th field (options) of /etc/fstab for each vfat partition. bye jipe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] LM8.2 - Nessus (cannot login...)
Hi, I am trying to run Nessus on my box without success. After starting nessusd (service nessusd restart) I run the client but I cannot login... I have the follwing packages installed: nessus-1.1.13-1mdk nessus-libs-1.1.13-1mdk nessus-plugins-1.1.13-1mdk nessus-client-1.1.13-1mdk I updated /etc/nessus/nessusd.users with my username:password but still cannot login.. Any help appreciated. Thanks -- | ( / \ ) ( O O ) __oOOo-( )-oOOo___ Frederic Soulier private e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __Oooo oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Open Off ice and anti-aliased fonts
Hmm. I imported them from Windows, and now they look nice ... thanks for the tip. -- Stephen On Thursday 28 March 2002 04:42 pm, you wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 12:41, Randy Kramer wrote: Dave Sherman wrote: They work fine for me. I use both Times New Roman and Arial, and both are perfectly anti-aliased. I am running OpenOffice build 641C. Dave, Are these fonts native Linux fonts, from OpenOffice, or perhaps Microsoft TrueType? They were imported from Windows, thus MS TrueType fonts. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Linux Laptop pcmcia troubles
Hi Kevin , judging from this output and my limited experience it seems i have been installing things in the wrong directory. I thought I had installed the pcmcia_cs module but in the questions that are asked I have istalled in Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk]: so this is why I think it is not showing up pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:offk [root@localhost jason]# /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by ppp_deflate40864 0 (autoclean) bsd_comp4032 0 (autoclean) ppp_async 6160 1 (autoclean) ppp_generic15968 3 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async] soundcore 3504 0 (autoclean) parport_pc 23024 0 (autoclean) parport24576 0 (autoclean) [parport_pc] ds 6576 2 i82365 22256 2 pcmcia_core41952 0 [ds i82365] printer 4992 0 usb-ohci 14496 0 (unused) usbcore47248 1 [printer usb-ohci] supermount 32496 4 (autoclean) sd_mod 11264 0 (autoclean) (unused) scsi_mod 85312 1 (autoclean) [sd_mod] cheers Jason thanks again On Friday 29 March 2002 02:21, you wrote: Hi Kevin , thanks for the responce here is the out put from modprobe tulip [root@localhost jason]# modprobe tulip /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz failed /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o.gz: insmod tulip failed [root@localhost jason]# same deal as the tlan error ,this has me stumped I installed the system with the lan card in the machine and it said that it had detected the card and that it had been configured , maybe this has stuffed everything up . Do you think that reinstall with out the card ,then try and configure it on a clean system? Or does anyone know of a pcmcia network card that auto configs under MDK 8.0 ,I have only just bought this card and would be able to swap it if there was an easier way ?? thanks again jason Jason, Reinstalling isn't really necessary. There's two things that could be affecting you. First, make sure your pcmcia drivers and service are started. - chkconfig --list, look for pcmcia to be 'on' in levels 3 and 5 at least - /sbin/lsmod, look for modules such as pcmcia_cs and some others that have pcmcia in the name Second, does the card come with a driver disk? Sometimes they provide linux drivers on the disk, which you can use to identify the driver you need. Don't use this driver (I wouldn't anyway), but just get the name of the module. I think it's tulip, since that what I see the DE-660 using, but I could be wrong (your's being a 660+). You may need to post a message to the linux driver mailing list: http://www.scyld.com/mailman/listinfo/ to see if someone out there has this card working. Kevin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Server performance - OT
I'm going to put together a server, based on Mdk 8.2 for a friend (mainly to host a few of his sites from), he's recd a quote for the same with this h/w: Gigabit Mobo - dual cpu - AMD 1 GB RAM Adaptec Raid 5 controller RAID array of 6 x 70 gb SCSI with one hot swap D-link wireless lan any views/problems that I should be aware of? this is the first time i'd be installing linux on this class of h/w, so any help is most welcome. also, should i just install Linux directly on the RAID or keep aside a small ide drive to install the o/s. cheers, -- Ashley Moore. CCNP,MCP,CNE. - Linux User#229125 - signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Irregular Mouse in 8.2
This is a bug. It has been in Mandrake since way back in the 7x versions. I've mentioned it several times only to receive deafening silence in return. Since it never gets fixed, I can only assume they think I'm nuts, or an isolated case, or they aren't sure what is wrong. Where I see it happening is when I use a KVM and switch from one machine to my linux box. George Abdo wrote: Hello All, I've installed 8.2 with X11 4.2 (non-accelerated) and now whenever I logon using gdm or xdm, the mouse stops working. To make the mouse work, I have to switch console (ctrl+alt+nay other console) and then back to the X cosole, and the mouse works fine. I am using a stock standard ps2 wheel mouse. Any ideas? Thanks George Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Irregular Mouse in 8.2
Hi I have the same problem. I have also complained about that when installing 8.0 on my PC. ctrl+alt+any other console is part of my daily routine! Things can get worse when using two mice. I am running win4lin on display 2 with a ps2 mouse and KDE on display 1 with a serial mouse. Winlin2-ps2 mouse kills serial mouse on KDE. The only way to get the serial mouse working is to shutdown win4lin. Ed - Original Message - From: Lorne Shantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Irregular Mouse in 8.2 This is a bug. It has been in Mandrake since way back in the 7x versions. I've mentioned it several times only to receive deafening silence in return. Since it never gets fixed, I can only assume they think I'm nuts, or an isolated case, or they aren't sure what is wrong. Where I see it happening is when I use a KVM and switch from one machine to my linux box. George Abdo wrote: Hello All, I've installed 8.2 with X11 4.2 (non-accelerated) and now whenever I logon using gdm or xdm, the mouse stops working. To make the mouse work, I have to switch console (ctrl+alt+nay other console) and then back to the X cosole, and the mouse works fine. I am using a stock standard ps2 wheel mouse. Any ideas? Thanks George Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Open Off ice and anti-aliased fonts
Dave Sherman wrote: They were imported from Windows, thus MS TrueType fonts. Dave, Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Linux Laptop pcmcia troubles
On Thursday 28 March 2002 02:58 pm, Jason Pearce wrote: Hi Kevin , judging from this output and my limited experience it seems i have been installing things in the wrong directory. I thought I had installed the pcmcia_cs module but in the questions that are asked I have istalled in Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk]: so this is why I think it is not showing up pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:offk [root@localhost jason]# /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by ppp_deflate40864 0 (autoclean) bsd_comp4032 0 (autoclean) ppp_async 6160 1 (autoclean) ppp_generic15968 3 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async] soundcore 3504 0 (autoclean) parport_pc 23024 0 (autoclean) parport24576 0 (autoclean) [parport_pc] ds 6576 2 i82365 22256 2 pcmcia_core41952 0 [ds i82365] printer 4992 0 usb-ohci 14496 0 (unused) usbcore47248 1 [printer usb-ohci] supermount 32496 4 (autoclean) sd_mod 11264 0 (autoclean) (unused) scsi_mod 85312 1 (autoclean) [sd_mod] cheers Jason thanks again Jason, This actually doesn't look too bad. I may be wrong about the pcmcia_cs, that's the package name, not the module. :) The main thing now is to find out which module you need. Try the mailing list I posted before. Kevin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [Fwd: New Bill attempts to regulate hardware,softwaredevelopment]
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 11:27, David Rankin wrote: The following is a copy of the letter sent to Max Sandlin regarding this issue. Fell free to use it as a draft to send to your congressman. VIA FACSIMILE: (202) 225-5866 Congressman Max Sandlin 324 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 Re: Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act Dear Mr. Sandlin: I write to voice opposition to the current bill commonly known as the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act formerly known as the SSSCA. The bill is offensive on two fronts. First, the bill would undermine the Fair Use Provision of the Copyright Act, which would be detrimental to consumer and constituent rights. Second, the bill would stifle innovation and development of new technologies that have broader application and benefit to the public. Of particular concern is its potential damage to competition in the operating system marketplace. As you are well aware, there has been much litigation regarding the predatory practices of the monopoly created by Microsoft. While Microsoft is a U.S. company that would be subject to the CBDTPA, its largest viable competitor at this point, Linux, is a global effort against which the CBDTPA could not be enforced. If the CBDTPA were to become law, and restrictions placed upon the use and development of Linux within the U.S., that would serve to further cement the monopoly position Microsoft presently holds and would add to its ability to engage in predatory practices in the future. Based upon the foregoing, I kindly request that you make the voice of the public heard and oppose this bill. The corrupting influence of the entertainment industry campaign contributions and monopolistic power of U.S. software manufacturers cannot be allowed to obliterate the fair use provisions of the U.S. Copyright Act or stifle competition within the computer software operating system market. Very truly yours, David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Thanks for the jump start, David! Heck, I could print this with a few changes to make it sender generic, and give copies out to interested folks. L8R, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] msec and xsane
If you aren't sure which kernel you are using, trying running 'uname -r' on the command line. You are using the secure kernel if it turns up 2.4.18-6mdk-secure. If msec doesn't change it, then it may have been an installation thing. gikoreno wrote: --- On Wed 03/27, Rob Gillen wrote: I may be wrong, but it probably has something to do with Mandrake using the secure kernel. It removes some userspace functionality for safety. I booted into the enterprise kernel though... And the changes from higher to high and vice versa happen instantly (scanner doesn't work then does), if they are actually changing which kernel is to be used wouldn't I need to reboot, because you can't change the kernel in use without rebooting as far as I know (I think kernel updates are the only reasons I ever HAD to reboot). That's why I was thinking it may be something with permissions of whether a program can or cannot use certain hardware (/dev/sg0 in this case). I have no clue... Is there any very detailed document explaining what changes happen when switching security levels in msec? gikoreno wrote: Hi everyone, I just checked the newbie and expert lists, and couldn't find anything that answered this question... I just installed Mandrake 8.2, but kept my previous Mdk 8.1 /home partition. I used to have xsane working, and I ran scannerdrake and I can't seem to get the scanner working with msec on Higher. I haven't figured out as of yet what the problem is, but I was suspecting it's something that has to do with permissions because: - regardless what msec is set to, if I run sane-find-scanner as root, my scanner is found at /dev/sg0 - if I set the security settings to standard everything works (i.e. xsane works too) It will also work if I set msec to High - if I set it back to higher, although I can find the scanner with sane-find-scanner as root, I cannot open xsane (even as root) because xsane: no devices available. Where could I make the permissions change to enable the scanner for all users, but keep the system on msec Higher? Thanks in advance! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 8.2 Install
Just a quick one. I installed 8.2 on my crash burn box tonight. The install went exactly how an install should. Flawless. So far, I can't see any large differences from 8.1, except that it runs smoother, and some applications have newer versions, and run faster smoother. Exactly how a point release should be. Good Job Mandrakesoft! I'll be ordering the boxed set of this one. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] Irregular Mouse in 8.2
Surely there must be something peculiar about us to be having this problem, because obviously no one else is having this problem? What is it that could be causing this? Is it a bug? A bug in what? George Eduardo M. A. M. Mendes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have the same problem. I have also complained about that when installing 8.0 on my PC. ctrl+alt+any other console is part of my daily routine! Things can get worse when using two mice. I am running win4lin on display 2 with a ps2 mouse and KDE on display 1 with a serial mouse. Winlin2-ps2 mouse kills serial mouse on KDE. The only way to get the serial mouse working is to shutdown win4lin. Ed - Original Message - From: Lorne Shantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Irregular Mouse in 8.2 This is a bug. It has been in Mandrake since way back in the 7x versions. I've mentioned it several times only to receive deafening silence in return. Since it never gets fixed, I can only assume they think I'm nuts, or an isolated case, or they aren't sure what is wrong. Where I see it happening is when I use a KVM and switch from one machine to my linux box. George Abdo wrote: Hello All, I've installed 8.2 with X11 4.2 (non-accelerated) and now whenever I logon using gdm or xdm, the mouse stops working. To make the mouse work, I have to switch console (ctrl+alt+nay other console) and then back to the X cosole, and the mouse works fine. I am using a stock standard ps2 wheel mouse. Any ideas? Thanks George Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com - --- - --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for thefilesystem
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 01:27, J. Craig Woods wrote: Like so many different variations on your machine, filesytems should be made with reference to as many criteria as possible. Yes, speed is good but what if you go for speed and lose some function you might need? As a SA there are times I need to set file attributes. You know, a file gets deleted that should not have been deleted, etc. With file attribs, I have saved by butt many times. Ext3 will let me set file attributes, and reiserfs does not support them. My choice is not choice: I must go with ext2 or ext3. The bottom line is make choices based on what you need... -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration Craig, I spoke with an XFS developer the other day on the (what else) #xfs channel. Same server as hosts the #mandrake channel. We discussed what you just now brought up; file attributes. I found out several things, one was that the minimum size of an XFS partition was 6 megs. This information is not readily available...I did RTFM before I resorted to cruising irc. The other was that he was positive that the chattr command would be unable to set an i attribute under XFS. He seemed unsure as to wether there were other unsupported attributes or not. Just thought I'd bring this up so you can add it to your information store if you haven't already. I've been looking very strongly at XFS; however, I've gotten the concrete impression that ext3 is a very hard to break filesystem. It seems very robust; at least on this system. I was motivated strongly to write this, because I had a crash just a short while ago. I've been trying to get a game to work, Heretic 2 for Linux. I got it installed and downloaded the latest update. Unfortunately it was statically compiled for glibc 2.1. 640x480 worked, but when I moved to other resolutions, it pumped out alot of errors and then vaporized. Three or four times later, I finally got it to attempt a load into 800x600. The entire system locked. If this had been an ext2 system I would have been sweatingespecially since I have two drives striped with no RAID1 mirror. I powered the system off and on, then it booted. I did not even get one error message. Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary; it was like a normal boot. This isn't the first time I've had lockups while trying something marginal or power failures while working. It's happened before. In every single instance, ext3 has cruised back into operation as if oblivious that anything had occurred(knock on wood). Ext3 continues to strike me as extremely robust. I'm highly curious about XFS, but then on the other hand I've been told that it's very poor judgement to drop pristine FS performance in exchange for an unknown when involving live data. In fact I just finished telling myself that a few minutes ago. ;) I'm definitely going to try XFS, but before I do I plan on having a mirror drive installed that RAID1's the main stripe array. Good luck... LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for thefilesystem
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 07:26, Guy Zelck wrote: ---snip--- Interesting thread I thought to post my troubles with XFS to. When I installed md8.1 on my home system I went from reiserfs, which never gave me trouble, to using xfs which I knew from work having it on our Silicon Graphics machine. I also read a lot about it and for speed and features it seemed the best and having a high esteem for SGI I did not hesitate. Nevertheless I've experienced about 4 times so far the following (I have an IDE system disk 'quantum fireball' of 8GB): Every time there's a power cut I find a lot of files corrupted. Instead of their original contents they contain nothing but ^ (viewed with vim) characters. The files concerned are e.g. all the KDE config files of apps that were open at the time of the power cut, but I once had inittab message affected too. You can imagine that KDE wouldn't start after that in the 1st case and the whole system was fucked in the 2nd. This for me is totally unacceptable and I don't dare to imagine what this would mean for a company's production machine. Your results are interesting. But as in most other things it's important to have a reference point(s) for comparison. So I've got some questions: 1) What is the history of this hardware with relation to the previously installed scheme(s)? (what filesystem, Linux version, Win version) 2) Can you recall crashes under other circumstances that did not involve XFS in any way? (under this hardware config) Focus a little on hard drive history, as well as everything else. 3) What is the hardware's history with respect to diagnostics and tests? Has the memory been checked, dos diagnostics run, cpu checked.. If not, has the hardware got a respectable history of problem free operation under the previous OS? yay or nay...plus some details would be nice. My technical knowledge in this field is not sufficiant enough to pinpoint what exactly is the cause: the version of xfs included in 8.1, the way f.s. are checked (or not checked) on boot-up? I don't know. I've read before that journaling file systems didn't need to be fsck'ed but why do you find a fsck for reiser xfs then? Mar 25 All I see in the messages file is this : 22:57:40 gz kernel: Start mounting filesystem: ide0(3,6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: WARNING: recovery required on readonly filesystem. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: write access will be enabled during mount. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) I'd be glad to learn more around this from active users of xfs since I sure would like to remedy this 'russion roulete' situation. See ya, Guy. Thanks and Regards, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Write access to windows partition for users
On Thursday 28 March 2002 06:46 pm, you wrote: just add umask=0 in the 4th field (options) of /etc/fstab for each vfat partition. bye jipe Right answer. Thanks. Why didn't they teach me that in school? rm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the
Hi: with Mandrake 8.1 and XFS, i often need to copy kdmrc from other 8.1 machines, to make my X start again after inproper shutdown. but 8.2 with XFS seems OK so far, i now shutdown my PC directly everyday when running X(just for testing...)... so far so good... Regards, tbsky On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 07:26, Guy Zelck wrote: ---snip--- Interesting thread I thought to post my troubles with XFS to. When I installed md8.1 on my home system I went from reiserfs, which never gave me trouble, to using xfs which I knew from work having it on our Silicon Graphics machine. I also read a lot about it and for speed and features it seemed the best and having a high esteem for SGI I did not hesitate. Nevertheless I've experienced about 4 times so far the following (I have an IDE system disk 'quantum fireball' of 8GB): Every time there's a power cut I find a lot of files corrupted. Instead of their original contents they contain nothing but ^@ (viewed with vim) characters. The files concerned are e.g. all the KDE config files of apps that were open at the time of the power cut, but I once had inittab message affected too. You can imagine that KDE wouldn't start after that in the 1st case and the whole system was fucked in the 2nd. This for me is totally unacceptable and I don't dare to imagine what this would mean for a company's production machine. Your results are interesting. But as in most other things it's important to have a reference point(s) for comparison. So I've got some questions: 1) What is the history of this hardware with relation to the previously installed scheme(s)? (what filesystem, Linux version, Win version) 2) Can you recall crashes under other circumstances that did not involve XFS in any way? (under this hardware config) Focus a little on hard drive history, as well as everything else. 3) What is the hardware's history with respect to diagnostics and tests? Has the memory been checked, dos diagnostics run, cpu checked.. If not, has the hardware got a respectable history of problem free operation under the previous OS? yay or nay...plus some details would be nice. My technical knowledge in this field is not sufficiant enough to pinpoint what exactly is the cause: the version of xfs included in 8.1, the way f.s. are checked (or not checked) on boot-up? I don't know. I've read before that journaling file systems didn't need to be fsck'ed but why do you find a fsck for reiser xfs then? Mar 25 All I see in the messages file is this : 22:57:40 gz kernel: Start mounting filesystem: ide0(3,6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: WARNING: recovery required on readonly filesystem. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: XFS: write access will be enabled during mount. Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) Mar 25 22:57:40 gz kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: ide0(3,6) (dev: 3/6) I'd be glad to learn more around this from active users of xfs since I sure would like to remedy this 'russion roulete' situation. See ya, Guy. Thanks and Regards, LX -- °° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] XFree86-4.2 with Mandrake 8.2
Hi With Mandrake 8.1 [and XFree86-4.1] all the 3D games or programs worked fine. After installing Mandrake 8.2, some of these applications do not work, some of these games make my system freeze completely. I have an ATI Radeon 68 DDR card. By the way if i want to watch dvd, i have now to disable Xv when compiling vlc , if not the movies go very slowly. [I cannot watch dvd with the Mandrake xine packages]. Thank for help! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.2 Install
Ric Tibbetts wrote: Just a quick one. I installed 8.2 on my crash burn box tonight. The install went exactly how an install should. Flawless. So far, I can't see any large differences from 8.1, except that it runs smoother, and some applications have newer versions, and run faster smoother. Exactly how a point release should be. Good Job Mandrakesoft! I'll be ordering the boxed set of this one. Ric YEA! The RicMan is happy again :-) -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] java plugin and mozilla 0.99 - OT
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:01:40 -0600 G. T. Francisco, III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and hopefully I read right: On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:56:12PM -0800, James said: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Old fart bad eyes. for reasons unkown I had it set to 20 . arrgh my apologies. James snip now THAT's what i call word wrapping ;oP I usually see this when people are using PDA's to do their mail. For a while I thought you had Sylpheed running on Mandrake on a PDA :) :) Cheers, Nope but I do have LinuxDA running on a Palm IIIx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:58:48 -0500 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and hopefully I read right: civileme wrote: snip Anyway, enough said. Your post suggests you do not understand the difference between free (libre) and free(gratuit) at all. Nor do you appreciate that this will all go away very soon if such laws as SSSCA actually pass. Linux, and building home computers, will both be outlawed. Hopefully, saner/wiser heads will prevail. I sent my protests in to my local congress people! Freedom is not free. Pay for it in money or pay for it in the traditional manner, blood, toil, tears, and sweat. And Freedom is what it is about, not overwhelming the world's richest men, just assuring that your computer belongs to _you_. Civileme Well spoken (and true)! Civilme, Of all things Diane Fienstien California senator (the lack of a cap is intended) from the Silicon Valley is the co-sponsor. I phoned her office yesterday and just let her know one thing. As an authorized rep from an ad oc businessmans group (small breakfast club with some intresting and connected members I'm there to listen and learn.) Her continued support of this bill would be refelected in actions taken by us come November. Then since I was rather PO'd that she of all people would sponsor this lunacy, I asked what it would take for us to offset the payments she's getting from Disney. I could feel the person on the other ends face glow as an embarresed stammer said ... Let's not go there sigh. 13 years in the military to come back to a pres with a loose belt and another with bulging pockets, and half the trains his daddy had. James -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for thefilesystem
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Craig, I spoke with an XFS developer the other day on the (what else) #xfs channel. Same server as hosts the #mandrake channel. We discussed what you just now brought up; file attributes. I found out several things, one was that the minimum size of an XFS partition was 6 megs. This information is not readily available...I did RTFM before I resorted to cruising irc. Lyvim, what is the name of the mandrake channel on irc. Is it as simple as #mandrake , and what server is hosting it and #xfs? The other was that he was positive that the chattr command would be unable to set an i attribute under XFS. He seemed unsure as to wether there were other unsupported attributes or not. Just thought I'd bring this up so you can add it to your information store if you haven't already. I've been looking very strongly at XFS; however, I've gotten the concrete impression that ext3 is a very hard to break filesystem. It seems very robust; at least on this system. Yep, I agree. I have ext3 running on Mandrake, Red Hat, and SuSE. It has performed quite well for me. Plus, I still have file attribs available if needed. This isn't the first time I've had lockups while trying something marginal or power failures while working. It's happened before. In every single instance, ext3 has cruised back into operation as if oblivious that anything had occurred(knock on wood). Ext3 continues to strike me as extremely robust. I'm highly curious about XFS, but then on the other hand I've been told that it's very poor judgement to drop pristine FS performance in exchange for an unknown when involving live data. In fact I just finished telling myself that a few minutes ago. ;) I'm definitely going to try XFS, but before I do I plan on having a mirror drive installed that RAID1's the main stripe array. Good luck... Thanks for the info, and do keep me updated on your experimenting with XFS. And if you talk to the developer again, ask him if there are any plans to implement file attributes in XFS. I would love to try it. Thanks and good luck too. -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:05:45 -0500 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and hopefully I read right: On 26 Mar 2002, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Average charge per new releass: $69.00 per release. x 2 realeases per year. $138.00 Shipping: $15.00 per boxed set 30.00 The Club $10 per month x 12 (Remember, you need to belong to the $10 per month club to get Staroffice 6.0) 120.00 - Cost of Mandrake, per year: $288.00 Hi Ric: I know it seems wrong that what was once entirely free is now nickled and dimed to become seemingly as expensive as other offerings. I see it this way though: Cost of OS from CompUSA$30 US I don't buy every release, but have bought 7.2, 8.0, and 8.1. I have maybe 10 PCs throughout my house and business and this $30 is legally able to installed on every one of those. Windows allowed a desktop/laptop to be installed. WinXP has much greater restrictions. StarOffice, never bought it, but say it's $60. That's still comparable to the price of MS Works or other integrated packages. If you don't want to pay that much, how about OpenOffice or a combination of other packages such as AbiWord, Gnumeric, Kpresenter, etc.? Support? I have used Microsoft enterprise support contracts. At one time I got a very knowledgeable tech support person who fixed the problem within a few minutes (this for a weird Excel problem with a huge 20M spredsheet). Other times I was bounced around and told the problem was Oracle's, or Compaqs, or that weekly reboots were needed. Compare the price to WinXP Professional (the only way you'll get a comparable toolset and server suite) and you'll find that Mandrake is a lot cheaper. This is without even adding up the prices for similar tools such as a photo editor, development suite, etc.. As quoted in Linux Journal March 2002 edition. Results are from Computer Reseller News. Cost of a Windows network solution tested at the CRN test center; $4,688 (US) Cost of an equivalent Linux-based network solution at the same CRN test center; $317 (US) Percentage of cost savings of Linux vx. Windows at the CRN test center; 93 Results can be found on page 8 of the above mentioned periodical. ## political comment not to be read by repulicans or democrats ## Why is windows so much more? The cost of a politician just went up since Mickey Mouse started a bidding war. ### end political spouting ## James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:14:36 -0900 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and hopefully I read right: David Rankin wrote: You know, I can sympathize. Not because the change is necessarily a bad thing, but more because of what the change represents. To me the shift signifies the beginning of the end of a wonderful era of camaraderie when the linux community worked together as one to develop the best product we could. The shift represents the realization that capitolism has enetered the linux frontier and the logical forgeone conclusion and fate of the era of camaraderie is the same as the fate of the American Buffalo. Capitolism is a great thing, but don't kid yourself it does have its downside. As far a the little operating system that could: Odyssey 7.2 [david@Nemesis david]$ uptime 12:46pm up 275 days, 22:26, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Ummm, was that ever more than a myth? Look at the sniping posts here and the marketing employed by some linux firms and the gathering of people who say, The best of this distro should be moved to xxxyyyzz distro where my favorite tool wronk-gronk is available, or atr the folks who see a problem reported on the newbie list who say Works on Boozer linux when in fact it might work for the poster but I have probably seen reports from Boozer users who say it doesn't work for them. (USB is a good example). Or look at the posts here and on MandrakeForum which come out right around release time to poison the release like Is this LSB compatible, yet? (when in fact no distro can really claim to be because the official test software for compatibility isn't even official yet--still beta-- and the sniping of our incompatibility is in the gray areas of the Filesystem Hierarchical Standard where no clear direction is given and the interpretation of the other distros is probably as equally valid as ours and all different) or Is the situation with left-handed gronklies being mistreated by bash fixed? (when in fact it was never broken) Camaraderie? Try to post something favoring GNOME or favoring KDE on Mandrakeforum and watch the list moderators go into a frenzy to keep the forum civil, usually by having to delete posts. We don't do that unless things get way too personal. Well, we're not here to fight FUD with FUD, which is why I carefully did not name distros. But I would say Microsoft has taught us all too well how to market our product at others expense rather than on its own merits. As for the free linux--it is still out there and can likely never be killed. It is an alternative to the other OS only for very skilled people, though. The purpose of most distros are to allow the folks with less skill than that a chance at freedom, certainly not to make the principals wealthy. Mandrake has been fortunate to have some oof the best engineers in the world, folks who make me look on in awe, folks who could be making triple what they are almost anywhere else. But they came to Mandrake to work on free software. Civileme Again you hit the mark with your comments. It has been said (I believe Carl Sagan but I'm not sure.) That more discoveries have been hearalded in with the phrase Thanks odd than Eurika. As long as you hear someone saying when I do x, y happens Free (as in un-encumbered) software will exist. James - I am a consumer not a thief and I resent your calling me that. - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for thefilesystem
J. Craig Woods wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Craig, I spoke with an XFS developer the other day on the (what else) #xfs channel. Same server as hosts the #mandrake channel. We discussed what you just now brought up; file attributes. I found out several things, one was that the minimum size of an XFS partition was 6 megs. This information is not readily available...I did RTFM before I resorted to cruising irc. Lyvim, what is the name of the mandrake channel on irc. Is it as simple as #mandrake , and what server is hosting it and #xfs? The server is irc.openprojects.net yes the channels are #mandrake #xfs. Femme -- Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for thefilesystem
FemmeFatale wrote: The server is irc.openprojects.net yes the channels are #mandrake #xfs. Femme Wow! you are good. Thanks, -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
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Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for thefilesystem
J. Craig Woods wrote: FemmeFatale wrote: The server is irc.openprojects.net yes the channels are #mandrake #xfs. Femme Wow! you are good. Thanks, -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Thx. I knew because Civilme posted the addy for the newbie list. I went talked to LX there a few days ago. Wish more from the lists would show up. :) Enjoy! Femme ;p -- Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Encrypted Filesystems
Has anyone had a chance to play with encrypted filesystems yet? I can't seem to find any information regarding them, but there is a lot of mention of them in the press releases for 8.2. I tried to set up an ext3 encrypted partition, but whenever I try to mount the partition, which prompts me for my password, I get the following: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, or too many mounted file systems /etc/fstab entry for partition: /dev/hdb1 /var/private ext3 encrypted,encryption=AES128 0 0 Any ideas? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.2 Install
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 22:28, J. Craig Woods wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: Just a quick one. I installed 8.2 on my crash burn box tonight. The install went exactly how an install should. Flawless. So far, I can't see any large differences from 8.1, except that it runs smoother, and some applications have newer versions, and run faster smoother. Exactly how a point release should be. Good Job Mandrakesoft! I'll be ordering the boxed set of this one. Ric YEA! The RicMan is happy again :-) Aw.. I'm most always happy, an da Linux supporter in arenas that you wouldn't believe! Sometimes I just drink a bit too much coffee. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
