Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
Friday 17 May 2002 09:43 pm,Wolfgang Bornath wrote: snip If there wasn't this last sentence about 'thoughtful responses' I would not have bothered to jump in. ;-) IMHO the lists were just what they were, a list for expert probs and issues and a list for newbie Q's As. But this has changed over the time out of several reasons: 1 People sometimes tend to overestimate themselves and/or their problems. So some users may say, I don't post on the newbie list because I'm not a newbie. Or others may think, My problem is one of the most mind boggling problems, it cannot be answered on a list full of newbies. Or if so it may show that I am a newbie myself. Wrong. After working with Linux for a couple of years now there are a lot of issues and areas where I regard myself as a newbie (i.e. I never bothered about Samba and Apache, so in those areas I'm a newbie). 2 Some folks think the distinction between the lists is very straight: here newbies and there experts. So they post all questions to the expert list because they think that all the experts are only there. Wrong. A lot of newbies can and do answer other newbie questions because a lot of the newbie questions are also FAQs and may hve just been answered the day before. Furthermore some real experts are lurking on the newbie list and do a great job there. They have really understood one of the pillars of the Linux Community. 3 Some users start out asking questions in the newbie list because they regard themselves as newbie. But for this or that reason their Qs will not be answered in the newbie list. So they move the issue to the expert list and get their answer/solution. After doing that a couple of times they think, hey, why not save time and post to the expert list right away? Wrong, but understandable. I'm not too annoyed by this mingling of the lists. There are some real newbie Qs I read where I store away the answers for future reference. What I do not like are those list nazis (while, being a german, I don't really appreciate the term) you mentioned. *Everybody* has been a newbie once! And everybody who uses this wonderful piece of software is obliged to give something back to the community. I get a lot of mails from german users who think I am part of support and start out like: I have this problem with your software, you must help me. Most of their Qs are the typical 1st time questions (How do I create a new directory, How do I find my drive C:, etc.). I cannot write a short mail with Buy a book, learn and nothing else. I answer their Qs and then I give a short (8 lines) tutorial about this Buy a book, RTFM, Try yourself and come back later scheme. All of you who read so far have my heartfelt sympathy! wobo ~~~ Thanks for the sympathy. I'll pass. :-) From the perspective of a true newbie (myself); I subscribed to both lists as well as various others to learn. I don't often post a response because I don't really know or am unsure of the answer that I think I do have. I haven't even had to ask too many questions, due to the availability of the archives and the answers already there. But on an issue that I _do_ have an answer that I'm sure of I'll post. I'm aware that there generally isn't one correct answer, but almost always more than one. But that's why I like this and the newbie list. Sometimes the second third and fourth opinions are the ones that get the questioner thinking about their problem in a way that leads them to true learning. It does for me at any rate. The thing about the Open Source Community that scares so many people is condescension from veterans. As in being made to feel foolish for asking a question. Too many people feel they have to be The World's Greatest Authority uncontested. Never had a 'temporary cranial cloudburst?' Those are more the cause of questions that seem to fall into the RTFM category than anything. At least for me. Nobody asked me for this input; but on this subject I'm absolutely certain. One doesn't invite a person to join a community and then berate them for asking questions to further their understanding. Not in a civilized community anyway. Perennial newbie; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org You can't start worrying about what's going to happen. You get spastic enough worrying about what's happening now. -- Lauren Bacall Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 00:16, Charlie wrote: From the perspective of a true newbie (myself); I subscribed to both lists as well as various others to learn. I don't often post a response because I don't really know or am unsure of the answer that I think I do have. I haven't even had to ask too many questions, due to the availability of the archives and the answers already there. ***snipperoos* The thing about the Open Source Community that scares so many people is condescension from veterans. As in being made to feel foolish for asking a question. Too many people feel they have to be The World's Greatest Authority uncontested. **snipperoos** Nobody asked me for this input; but on this subject I'm absolutely certain. One doesn't invite a person to join a community and then berate them for asking questions to further their understanding. Not in a civilized community anyway. Perennial newbie; -- Charlie One thing that the veteran lists and IRC channels lacked was civility. This was something I ran into that ran rampant on the IRC channels; the problem is still out there; and I think it stems from the misperception that a person that considers themselves technically proficient is somehow better than the little people. Today it is becoming increasingly apparent to such individuals that it is not enough to have technical skills; you also must be mature in a mental way and possess a modicum of social skills to complement your technical skills. Especially today, when Microshaft is such a threat; we need all the personnell on this side of the fence that we can get. It's stupid for a Unix sysadmin to run off new recruits simply because they have a psychiatric deficiency that causes them to leech off the positive attitudes of newbies. The practice of RTFM can be construed in a civilized way first; and then if the hint is not taken, you can always go to hammertime. You're on the wooden nickel channel (WNC) not to be confused with the Commie News Network (CNN) LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On 18 May 2002 01:46:00 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 18:29, J. Craig Woods wrote: Randy, Your comments are most germane, and tastefully inserted as an addendum in your reply. Unfortunately, the distinction you delineated between newbie and expert list has, over the few years I have been here, pretty much been loss. There are a number of reasons for this to occur. One reason would simply be the subjective nature of differentiating between a newbie problem and what constitutes an expert problem. I have said it here before, and I'll say it again: I would humbly estimate that about 60 to 70 percent of the postings on this list are within the newbie range. If you or others have a subscription to other UNIX type lists, you will readily see how this situation is handled. There are usually a few list nazis who do not hesitate to make the newbie feel very uncomfortable about posting a problem that would have been easily solved by a RTFM or STFW. Because the Mandrake expert list is for Mandrake Linux solutions, I believe it will always be as it is: a kinder, gentler sort of list. And, as such, you might as well acclimate yourself to the reality that this list is really just an extension to the newbie list... I hope I have engendered some thoughts on this issues, and hopefully we might see some thoughtful responses... Dr John, The Night Tripper I note with interest the email struggles of others on this thread. The issue can be distilled down to some basics. First, the primary purpose of delineating the lists into two categories is so that you can have two categories. The categories are newbie and expert. While some ambiguity can be assumed, Dr John's masked frustration is justified; there are perhaps too many newbie questions on this list, and part of the education of any user should be to learn the general difference between a newbie and an expert question. I feel that most experts here can make that distinction, even if it is something that they have not RTFM'ed before themselves. If it is an interesting question, yet still newbie, it can still be posted as an interesting newbie question on the newbie list, which we all monitor here anyway. There's not really a need for an interesting newbie question to be posted on the expert list. Perhaps the expert list should be reserved for interesting expert questions. :) Please note that I blatantly and lasciviously avoid the issue of OT posts. ;) LX hmm.. yeah i think the categories are OK. in fact i never posted a question to expert, simply because 1) my problems never were s hard to solve ( actually they are rather stupid, being the newbie that i still consider myself to be ) 2) in the newbie list you can get answers from experts, just like on expert list. but, after all, what's the amount of 'really expert' threads in here? i think this expert list would starve to death if it were only for 'expert' stuff... obviously it kinda makes me smile when a post to expert contains very simple questions, and it does make me kinda mad when i get my mails and notice that someone posted a not-too-hard-to-answer question on both newb and expert... but hey, this is not unbareable, at least to me, and i think it will stay this way until some list-nazi comes in here 'enforcing the rules', and that day i'll be signing off. just my $0,2 ( note this extremely low value due to some little problems here in my country, making my money worth sh** ) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] New Mobo Roundup--Dr Tom
On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 09:25, Tom Brinkman wrote: I'm with you. It's not just motherboard revisions, bios updates either. Chipsets and cpu steppings (production runs) get fixes usually within the first several months. A good example is the VIA kt133a. The ide bug surfaced during the first two steppings. Later it was discovered that many motherboard designs exacerbated the problem. By step 4 of the kt133a the problem had all but disappeared (as long as you didn't use an Abit kt7* ; Later it became apparent some high bandwith pci cards (specially the SB Live!) were largely part of the problem. So if you jumped on bandwagon when the KT7 first appeared, installed an SB Live!, you were pretty much SOL, 'cept for bios upgrades, and upping the Vcore to 1.82v, and dropping the HDD mode to = udma2. Dirty work arounds. Much the same scenario with cpu steppings. I think there's a little confusion here about what's a fix and what's a workaround. In my day, a bios upgrade that corrected problems was called a fix. Since I'm one of those KT7 owners, I can state with some authority that it's not hard to apply a bios flash, since I've done it with this particular board at least four times that I can remember. And I wasn't out to fix problems, because I did'nt really notice any; I was out to take advantage of new bios features. But even if I wasn't and I was in a worse case scenario with an SB card, I would not have been SOL; I would have just downloaded and flashed a new bios into the mainboard. For the record, there's been no problems with this particular Abit KT7. I also think staying away from the cuttin edge, first releases of boards and chipsets is very important for open source too. EG, the people who rushed out to by ATI 8500's and still don't have support for them yet. There's also work arounds for chipset/cpu errata that take a while. EG, I have a kt133a board, shortly after I built the system, months after kt133a boards were out, dmesg began to include the line Applying VIA southbridge workaround. Tho since my board (Soyo, AMD appr'vd) is the second (and final) revision, it's not an Abit, I don't have an SB Live, and both the chipset and the Tbird are 4th stepping, I doubt I need that kernel parameter ;) I agree with you as far as the ATI cards go. With the mainboards, and the roundup comparisons, I've never been led astray with regard to Linux yet (knock on wood) in relation to third party mainboard roundups. I respect the AMD approved list, but I don't completely trust it because I believe they are somewhat in a conflict of interests since they produce their own chipset. AFAICT, the third party sites doing reviews are not in that kind of a position and conflict. It's entirely possible that (and I do trust AMD much more than Intel) AMD would not put a motherboard on their approved list if by chance their marketing department deemed the mainboard a viable competition for some of AMD's own product. Not that they do, mind you; I just think it's better business to work from a third party site for information regarding mainboard evaluation. Then there's also performance regardless of OS. It's reported that DDR333 has negligible improvement over 266. In some tests it's actually slower. I attribute this to 266 havin matured, while 333 is still brand new and wet behind the ears. Not neccesarilly the ram's fault, but the motherboard's implementation of it. Y'allsMMV ;) -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas The reference board comparison between 266 and 333 attempt to bear out what you are saying: http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q1/020220/kt333-11.html Unfortunately, this isn't the whole story, because the new 333's are production boards, and as such perform much differently than the reference boards; they outperform the KT266A's. In the following graph I direct your attention to the green bars, which happen to be a KT266A and a KT133A, respectively. http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q2/020509/kt333-29.html In comparison to the KT333's there is a substantial difference in performance. Both the older KT266A and the KT133A are close to the bottom of the chart in performance. The Epox, Enmic, and Gigabyte boards consistently perform close to the top of the roundup. In addition, I did a little research on the new Abit KX7-333R mobo and was pleasantly surprised; it outperformed the Epox 8k3a+ in another site's OpenGL benchmarks under Quake 3: http://www.tweakers.com.au/articles/motherboard/abit_kx7333r/page9.asp In theory then, this board would have been at or close to the top of the Dr Tom roundup in those benchmarks. Best Regards, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°°
Re: [expert] Edditing the 8.2 KDE Aplication Menu?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 May 2002 4:10 pm, andyjn wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I cant seem to edit the whole Application Menu using MenuDrake. [snip] Or does anyone know how to manually edit the existing menu entries? Type 'kmenuedit' ... it's still there but hidden. Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE85hd7Cv59vFiSU4YRAqKJAJ9qIlRfFnHd4c2lIKhSNfBXqqgU+wCgtP4L g4qvyoKvZCBxU7Iy7xEsbUc= =dioj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 18 May 2002 7:41 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: One thing that the veteran lists and IRC channels lacked was civility. This was something I ran into that ran rampant on the IRC channels; the problem is still out there; and I think it stems from the misperception that a person that considers themselves technically proficient is somehow better than the little people. Today it is becoming increasingly apparent to such individuals that it is not enough to have technical skills; you also must be mature in a mental way and possess a modicum of social skills to complement your technical skills. Especially today, when Microshaft is such a threat; we need all the personnell on this side of the fence that we can get. It's stupid for a Unix sysadmin to run off new recruits simply because they have a psychiatric deficiency that causes them to leech off the positive attitudes of newbies. The practice of RTFM can be construed in a civilized way first; and then if the hint is not taken, you can always go to hammertime. Bravo! As far as I'm concerned the arrogance and superciliousness of a small minority of users is the most serious problem Linux has; I first started with Mandrake 18 months ago and couldn't solve a problem with the Alcatel Speedtouch USB modem, which was then not well understood, despite much searching. I asked a few questions, got my head knocked off, put it back on my shoulders, thought 'well, I'm damned if I'm being spoken to like that', wiped Mandrake from the PC and went back to Win2K. Now I'm back and things are better (although not perfect), but I wonder how many people vowed _never_ to go back after that sort of treatment? The 'newbie', a word I hate because of its slightly patronising air, could well be in an influential position 'in real life'; flaming _anyone_ is potentially a lost sale, or a lot of lost sales ... Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE85hh9Cv59vFiSU4YRAq/gAJ9xGiPcvPZtMQqxTklrb+QXAEVAFgCfXedj 9mygFCcVzZOdwOAgSYKTKH8= =d2Ts -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Sat, 18 May 2002 19:01, you wrote: Now I'm back and things are better (although not perfect), but I wonder how many people vowed _never_ to go back after that sort of treatment? Yeah, thats pretty much why I'm happy to install and use just about any form of Linux except Debian...the treatment on the mailing list made it never worth the effort -- Andrew George --- Take the folks at Coca-Cola. For many years, they were content to sit back and make the same old carbonated beverage. It was a good beverage, no question about it; generations of people had grown up drinking it and doing the experiment in sixth grade where you put a nail into a glass of Coke and after a couple of days the nail dissolves and the teacher says: Imagine what it does to your TEETH! So Coca-Cola was solidly entrenched in the market, and the management saw no need to improve ... -- Dave Barry, In Search of Excellence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 18 May 2002 10:25 am, Andrew George wrote: On Sat, 18 May 2002 19:01, you wrote: Now I'm back and things are better (although not perfect), but I wonder how many people vowed _never_ to go back after that sort of treatment? Yeah, thats pretty much why I'm happy to install and use just about any form of Linux except Debian...the treatment on the mailing list made it never worth the effort I actually advise new Linux users _not_ to use Usenet to post (searching groups.google.com is mandatory, though). A disproportionate quantity of 'arrogant and supercilious' people seem to frequent Usenet; I'm surprised you were attacked on a mailing list as, in my experience, they're much less problematic. Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE85iOICv59vFiSU4YRAjiyAKC+zX+kUn4WN5jlNzK2GUcnzFpX4QCcCiOC j7N1zBCUG4ZO/m9xvLZM9mQ= =z0cH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Sat, 18 May 2002 19:48, Alastair Scott wrote: On Sat, 18 May 2002 19:01, you wrote: Now I'm back and things are better (although not perfect), but I wonder how many people vowed _never_ to go back after that sort of treatment? Yeah, thats pretty much why I'm happy to install and use just about any form of Linux except Debian...the treatment on the mailing list made it never worth the effort I actually advise new Linux users _not_ to use Usenet to post (searching groups.google.com is mandatory, though). A disproportionate quantity of 'arrogant and supercilious' people seem to frequent Usenet; I'm surprised you were attacked on a mailing list as, in my experience, they're much less problematic. Alastair I agree about usenet...Mailing lists have a habit of going through cycles (or at least some do). Redhats list a few years ago was so full of flames you couldn't actually find anything, Mandrake expert has been consistantly well mannerred though :) -- Andrew George --- Creativity is not always bred in an environment of tranquility; sometimes you have to squeeze a little to get the paste out of the tube. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] tar file size limit???
dfox said onto me: -- | kernels 2.4.0 file sizes were limited to 2 Gigabytes. | kernels = 2.4.0 file sizes are limited to 4 Terabytes. | |Ah ha so that's it. :) I'm running a newer kernel, but so far haven't |needed a file to be that large. I wonder what kernel the OP was using? | 2.4.18-6mdk (8.2 stock)..the problem was that the file was being saved to a FAT32 share. Dave | Damian | | | -- -- °°° David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Mandrake 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5 Sylpheed 0.7.5claws Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: www.davidlsteiner.com °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] ssh and X
Hallo! After having logged in my remote computer via ssh I can run text based programs but I get Remote host denied X11 forwarding when trying to run graphical apps... Any idea?? 8-? Thanks! -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain AOL quini2k ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Friday 17 May 2002 11:43 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: What I do not like are those list nazis (while, being a german, I don't really appreciate the term) you mentioned. I agree -- using that term for these people does a disservice to the real Nazis. Perhaps we should call them List Lawyers. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ssh and X
On Sat, 18 May 2002, Joan Tur wrote: Hallo! After having logged in my remote computer via ssh I can run text based programs but I get Remote host denied X11 forwarding when trying to run graphical apps... Look for the system sshd_config file, usually located in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Make sure that you see: X11Forwarding yes On the local machine, look for the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file and verify that you see: ForwardX11 yes When you connect, use the following syntax: ssh -X name_of_remote_host If you do the first two you shouldn't need to explicitly enable X forwarding. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 09:05 -0400, Hoyt wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 11:43 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: What I do not like are those list nazis (while, being a german, I don't really appreciate the term) you mentioned. I agree -- using that term for these people does a disservice to the real Nazis. Perhaps we should call them List Lawyers. I don't like the 'nazi' term used because nothing - NOTHING - can be as cruel and damnable as a real nazi! As for List Lawyers, this term may be too positive, although I know that lawyers are not too well looked upon (What is a busload of lawyers on the ground of the ocean?-A start). How about List militia? Well, don't take that too serious... wobo -- Registered Linux User 228909 Powered By Mandrake Linux 8.1 - Microsoft, Windows, Bugs, Lacking Features, IRQ Conflicts, System Crashes, Non-Functional Multitasking and The Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Washington, USA. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] removing applets
Hi a have the runaway process catcher applet in the system tray. How can I remove it? I am running LM 8.0 Thanks Mike McNeese P.S. I have tried different things to remove it but to no avail. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ssh and X
Es Dissabte 18 Maig 2002 15:04, en [EMAIL PROTECTED] va escriure: On Sat, 18 May 2002, Joan Tur wrote: Hallo! After having logged in my remote computer via ssh I can run text based programs but I get Remote host denied X11 forwarding when trying to run graphical apps... Look for the system sshd_config file, usually located in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Make sure that you see: X11Forwarding yes That file didn't exist in the directory, so now it's working. Thanks!! ;) -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain AOL quini2k ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Test message - Please ignore
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Re: [expert] removing applets
On Saturday 18 May 2002 09:17 pm, you wrote: Hi a have the runaway process catcher applet in the system tray. How can I remove it? I am running LM 8.0 Thanks Mike McNeese P.S. I have tried different things to remove it but to no avail. Umm... Right-click on it, then click on REMOVE. -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ Outlook is a petri dish. I don't know why anyone uses it. -- James Gosling, Sun Microsystems Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kde3 upgrade?
Is there any doc on how to upgrade to kde3? I'm using 8.2. Darren Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kde3 upgrade?
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 08:20 +1000, Darren King wrote: Is there any doc on how to upgrade to kde3? I'm using 8.2. Darren How about looking at http://www.linuxmandrake.com ? It's there, right on the frontside in the news section. Or if you prefer not to look at the Mandrake website, here is the direct link: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdk-kde3.0.php3 I d'loaded from there, followed the steps of the mini-HowTo and it installed easily besides 2.2.1. But 3.0 still has a lot of glitches. wobo -- Registered Linux User 228909 Powered By Mandrake Linux 8.1 - Microsoft, Windows, Bugs, Lacking Features, IRQ Conflicts, System Crashes, Non-Functional Multitasking and The Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Washington, USA. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] postfix and aliases
At 05:58 PM 5/17/02, you wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2002 15:51:14 -0400 David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm having a problem with postfix and /etc/aliases. I want mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I add admin: user to /etc/aliases and then run newaliases, I see mail.mydomain.com attempt to forward the message to itself - which is rejected as (mail for mail.mydomain.com loops back to myself). I'm using Mandrake 8.2 with postfix-20010228. Anybody know what's needed? Thanks. If admin has a home directory put in it a .forward file that says root or [EMAIL PROTECTED] either way. I have all of roots e-mail forwarded to user james this way. David The solution called for a change in postfix/main.cf. I needed the following lines: myhostname=mydomain.com mydestination=mydomain.com I didn't have the myhostname line and had mydestination=mail.mydomain.com. I had mail.mydomain.com as a PTR record to the A record for mydomain.com. I think that postfix didn't realize that the two names were equivalent, so it was forwarding the message and getting into trouble. With the above definitions, there is no need for @mydomain.com in /etc/aliases and no need for .forward files. All is fine now --- at least until I discover something else broken :-) David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kde3 upgrade?
if you go to the kde ftp site and look for the README in the (er.. i think) top level folder for kde3/mandrake it tells you how there. basically, d/l all the rpms to a folder by themselves (i used /root/rpms/kde3) then shell to that dir and urpmi -v * be ready though, for it to take some time since it has to install all locales if you don't have them already. mine's still working on it (it'd d/l thru ftp) hth Jerry On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 16:20, Darren King wrote: Is there any doc on how to upgrade to kde3? I'm using 8.2. Darren Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Hard drives: any thoughts?
I've been looking at the hard drive scene over the last few months in preparation for purchasing a new system. I've got most of the hardware details sorted out, but there is one area that I'm not quite settled on: hard drives. I am basically looking for an affordable 80GB IDE drive that can deliver fast and reliable (i.e. able to run 24x7) performance. I want to buy two of them so I can make a RAID0 out of them. Of course, they need to play well with Linux, and with any other 'alternate' OS/kernel I throw at it. From what I have read, that rules out Western Digital. Since I prize reliability, that would rule out IBM (IBM is offloading their hard drive business to Hitachi, so that's another minus for them). So the way I see it, only Seagate and Maxtor are still in the race. I checked out storagereview.com and the Maxtor DiamondMax Plus D740X (AKA 'Viper') 80GB appears to be neck-and-neck with the Seagate Barracuda ATA IV 80GB. Any thoughts, people? Thx. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The world's shortest poem: Me, Oui. -- Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hard drives: any thoughts?
IBM I just bought 4 more from : http://www.mwave.com I currently have at least a dozen modern IBM HDs spinning 24x7 here. I've never had a problem with any of them. They're real fast with or without raid. hdparm reported 35MB/s throughput with Mandrake 8.2, 40 GB IBM 7200RPM, stock kernel and no hdparm settings. This was with a Tyan 2460 and dual Athlon MP1600+. I have had seagate, maxtor, and western digital drives fail. :-( Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I've been looking at the hard drive scene over the last few months in preparation for purchasing a new system. I've got most of the hardware details sorted out, but there is one area that I'm not quite settled on: hard drives. I am basically looking for an affordable 80GB IDE drive that can deliver fast and reliable (i.e. able to run 24x7) performance. I want to buy two of them so I can make a RAID0 out of them. Of course, they need to play well with Linux, and with any other 'alternate' OS/kernel I throw at it. From what I have read, that rules out Western Digital. Since I prize reliability, that would rule out IBM (IBM is offloading their hard drive business to Hitachi, so that's another minus for them). So the way I see it, only Seagate and Maxtor are still in the race. I checked out storagereview.com and the Maxtor DiamondMax Plus D740X (AKA 'Viper') 80GB appears to be neck-and-neck with the Seagate Barracuda ATA IV 80GB. Any thoughts, people? Thx. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Kevin O'Connor People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hard drives: any thoughts?
Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:40 PM: : Any thoughts, people? Thx. Yes. My thought is that it would be nice to know of a motherboard chipset that supports Firewire hard drives, and that is supported by a stable kernel version. If these exist, decisions about which hard drive to choose for an service life would be easier to make. No offense intended to the quite cost-effective IDE drives, of course. I have an 80 GB Maxtor running in the machine that sends this mail. Ken Marcy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hard drives: any thoughts?
On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 22:11, KevinO wrote: IBM I heartily second this. I set up a web company on IBM's over three years ago, and they've been running 24/7 ever since. Last week the technical director told me it was one of the best things I ever did; he's sold on the hardware. First time I've heard about the Hitachi thing, tho... I just bought 4 more from : http://www.mwave.com I currently have at least a dozen modern IBM HDs spinning 24x7 here. I've never had a problem with any of them. They're real fast with or without raid. hdparm reported 35MB/s throughput with Mandrake 8.2, 40 GB IBM 7200RPM, stock kernel and no hdparm settings. This was with a Tyan 2460 and dual Athlon MP1600+. I have had seagate, maxtor, and western digital drives fail. :-( Againsame experience here. Not only me, but I think that site Walnut creek ended up ripping out a bunch of barracudas some years back; all brand new, because of the failures. I can't remember what they did, but it wasn't seagate. In any case, it's hard to beat IBM's MTBF. YMMV, of course; but my personal experience is the same as Kevin O'Connor's. LX Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I've been looking at the hard drive scene over the last few months in preparation for purchasing a new system. I've got most of the hardware details sorted out, but there is one area that I'm not quite settled on: hard drives. I am basically looking for an affordable 80GB IDE drive that can deliver fast and reliable (i.e. able to run 24x7) performance. I want to buy two of them so I can make a RAID0 out of them. Of course, they need to play well with Linux, and with any other 'alternate' OS/kernel I throw at it. From what I have read, that rules out Western Digital. Since I prize reliability, that would rule out IBM (IBM is offloading their hard drive business to Hitachi, so that's another minus for them). So the way I see it, only Seagate and Maxtor are still in the race. I checked out storagereview.com and the Maxtor DiamondMax Plus D740X (AKA 'Viper') 80GB appears to be neck-and-neck with the Seagate Barracuda ATA IV 80GB. Any thoughts, people? Thx. -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 8.1 bug: /etc/X11/xinit.d/Mod_Meta_L_Disable broken
Hi there, There's an annoying bug in /etc/X11/xinit.d/Mod_Meta_L_Disable Namely, it does the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do. It also greps /etc/sysconfig/keyboard instead of sourcing it, which means that #WHATEVER=yes is treated the same as WHATEVER=yes which has some obvious drawbacks. I don't know if this is the right place for bug reports but the other places on Mandrake's site that I checked wanted me to register. Too much hassle for a stupid bug report. Cheers, -n8 -- -- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science -- -- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hard drives: any thoughts?
Have you used any IBM drives made in the past year? Until about a year ago IBM drives were renowned for their reliability, and I used to recommend IBM to all my friends. Since then, they have suffered reliability problems, and the return rate for IBM drives has been high. There was even a class-action lawsuit launched against IBM last year, since so many people's drives failed (I think this was settled out of court). IBM have been first to develop and implement all sorts of new technologies, including glass platters and that 'pixie dust' stuff. It looks as if they're having major teething problems with these new technologies. There was some controversy a few weeks ago when IBM placed warnings on their new drives indicating that they shouldn't be used for more than eight hours per day. If that isn't an indication of poor reliability, then I don't know what is. With all these quality control problems, and IBM's recent financial woes, I am not surprised that they have decided to sell their hard drive unit to Hitachi. If you're wondering where I get all this stuff, it is The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk). For me, IBM was a natural choice until this string of incidents. WD is out of the picture, since they don't correctly follow the ATA spec. That leaves Seagate and Maxtor. On 19 May 2002 00:25:02 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 22:11, KevinO wrote: IBM I heartily second this. I set up a web company on IBM's over three years ago, and they've been running 24/7 ever since. Last week the technical director told me it was one of the best things I ever did; he's sold on the hardware. First time I've heard about the Hitachi thing, tho... I just bought 4 more from : http://www.mwave.com I currently have at least a dozen modern IBM HDs spinning 24x7 here. I've never had a problem with any of them. They're real fast with or without raid. hdparm reported 35MB/s throughput with Mandrake 8.2, 40 GB IBM 7200RPM, stock kernel and no hdparm settings. This was with a Tyan 2460 and dual Athlon MP1600+. I have had seagate, maxtor, and western digital drives fail. :-( Againsame experience here. Not only me, but I think that site Walnut creek ended up ripping out a bunch of barracudas some years back; all brand new, because of the failures. I can't remember what they did, but it wasn't seagate. In any case, it's hard to beat IBM's MTBF. YMMV, of course; but my personal experience is the same as Kevin O'Connor's. LX Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I've been looking at the hard drive scene over the last few months in preparation for purchasing a new system. I've got most of the hardware details sorted out, but there is one area that I'm not quite settled on: hard drives. I am basically looking for an affordable 80GB IDE drive that can deliver fast and reliable (i.e. able to run 24x7) performance. I want to buy two of them so I can make a RAID0 out of them. Of course, they need to play well with Linux, and with any other 'alternate' OS/kernel I throw at it. From what I have read, that rules out Western Digital. Since I prize reliability, that would rule out IBM (IBM is offloading their hard drive business to Hitachi, so that's another minus for them). So the way I see it, only Seagate and Maxtor are still in the race. I checked out storagereview.com and the Maxtor DiamondMax Plus D740X (AKA 'Viper') 80GB appears to be neck-and-neck with the Seagate Barracuda ATA IV 80GB. Any thoughts, people? Thx. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan We are Microsoft of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is- Fatal Exception Error in MSBORG32.DLL Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 bug: /etc/X11/xinit.d/Mod_Meta_L_Disable broken
On Sat, 18 May 2002 22:38:22 -0700, Nathaniel Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, There's an annoying bug in /etc/X11/xinit.d/Mod_Meta_L_Disable Namely, it does the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do. It also greps /etc/sysconfig/keyboard instead of sourcing it, which means that #WHATEVER=yes is treated the same as WHATEVER=yes which has some obvious drawbacks. I don't know if this is the right place for bug reports but the other places on Mandrake's site that I checked wanted me to register. Too much hassle for a stupid bug report. Can somebody please explain what the point of this file is? What is the point of disabling a key? In earlier versions of Mandrake, I found it very annoying, and so I removed the file. In 8.2, it doesn't seem to do anything, so I just left it there. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Windows: You make a grown man cry. Windows on your CPU: I've been running hot. -- The Rolling Stones, Start Me Up Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
