Re: [expert] OT Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 12:43 am, James wrote: > > Mandrake is a european distribution! That's a little narrow-minded. It's parent company is French, but it's distribution is world-wide. As a major Linux distro, I would not characterize it as "European". Wasn't there a poll some time in the past that illustrated the user distribution world-wide? What did that tell us? -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
On Tue, 28 May 2002 20:11:01 +0900 "J. Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mandrake is a european distribution! > > Am I the only one who does not follow US political jokes? > Perhaps you can change the names to Jacques Chiraque and Francoise > Meteron next time? :) > > JG > > J. Craig Woods wrote: > > A little early morning humor (hey, the list had no traffic). > > > > > > A little old lady called 911. When the operator answered she > > yelled, "Help! Send the police to my house right away! There's > > a damned republican on my front porch and he's playing with > > himself." > > > > "What?" the operator exclaimed! > > > > "I said there is a damned republican on my front porch playing > > with himself! Please send the police!" the little old lady > > repeated. > > > > "Ma'am, how do you know he's a republican?" > > > > "Because, you damned fool, if he were a democrat, he'd be > > screwing somebody." > > > > cheers, > > drjung Dang and I thought everyone knew about Billy Boy and his cigar holder.. *grin* James > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Icecast, Shoutcast
On Tue, 28 May 2002 20:43:45 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dfox) wrote: > > I'm using Shoutcast, the problem is that I cannot make it streaming > > song titles, and another problem I have with it is setting up > > multiple mount points. > > I can't help with the first part as I haven't yet tried shoutcasting > but you might find symlinks to be a possible solution to your multiple > mount point issue. That is, assuming you have a situation where some > of your mp3s are in one directory and some are in somewhere else. You > could create symlinks for all the 'elsewhere' files in your primary > mp3 directory. > > > Marc Marc, Drop icecast for IceS this is the new total rewrite of icecast done by the same guy who did icecast. It runs better, with fewer glitches and hiccups than anything else. It also does multiple simultaneous streams very well. I ran multiple streams in my house and I never had a problem with it. You can get it and some pretty good instructions at http://www.icecast.org/ Then to maintain it with some sort of gui. Try the product called IceTools at http://www.higheriq.com/linux.shtml Haven't used this one but those who have liked it. James > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain)
On Tue, 28 May 2002 10:02:18 -0700 "JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Praedor, > > Did Yahoo recently change something on their side? I was thinking > about buying their POP/SMTP access but I won't if it doesn't support > KMail anymore. I know they used to support KMail as a few months ago I > set up Kmail to use their servers and it worked just fine. Then they > started charging and I haven't yet gotten around to re-setting things > up... > > David What makes this almost commical is that they run on FreeBSD. *sigh* > > > > -Original Message- > From: Praedor Tempus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:41 AM > To: Expert > Subject: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain) > > > Until about a week-and-a-half ago, I had no problems > receiving or posting messages to the list. Since > then, I find I am no longer able to post, only > receive. > > I cannot post to the group through the yahoo smtp > server - it ONLY supports Netscape mail, eudora, and > so forth, with authentication on the outbound send. > This means you cannot use kmail or virtually any other > mail app in linux if you use yahoo (I will be dropping > them as soon as my paid term is up - the losers). In > any case, I have long had no problems using local > postfix to send email to this list and several others. > It even worked up to about a week or so ago. Since > then, however, anytime I try to send a message to the > list, the mandrax.com smtp server refuses to accept my > mailings claiming that my domain doesn't exist. > > I OWN ravenhome.homelinux.net. It IS a legit domain. > I have been using it for months without problem and > even up to 2 weeks ago. I have kept it updated in the > dns system via dynamicdns (dydns.org) using ddclient > to autoupdate the dydns nameservers (and then have it > propagate out from there). The main problem now is > that I used to have a DSL connection at home with a > longterm IP (dynamic, but the term was long) and would > also receive a nearly static IP from work. Now, I am > stuck with a horrific dialup and thus only receive my > IP for relatively short periods. > > This appear OK until suddenly I am no longer able to > post to this list (or others) because the listservers > don't like my so-called 'nonexistent' domain associate > with my postfix mailserver. > > What does it take to post here using postfix under my > new circumstances. I cannot use the yahoo servers and > I simply refuse to do what I am doing now (using the > yahoo web interface) for ANYTHING but emergencies and > intractable problems. The best fix would be for the > listserver to accept mail from my domain > "ravenhome.homelinux.net" and quit rejecting my > messages. > > Anyone? > > praedor > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain)
On Tue, 28 May 2002 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT) "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Praedor Tempus said: > > Until about a week-and-a-half ago, I had no problems > > receiving or > posting messages to the list. Since > > then, I find I am no longer able to post, only > > > receive. > > > > I cannot post to the group through the yahoo smtp > > server - it ONLY supports > Netscape mail, eudora, and > > so forth, with authentication on the outbound send. > > This > means you cannot use kmail or virtually any other > > mail app in linux if you use yahoo (I will > be dropping > > them as soon as my paid term is up - the losers). In > > any case, I have long had no > problems using local > > postfix to send email to this list and several others. > > It even > worked up to about a week or so ago. Since > > then, however, anytime I try to send a message to > the > > list, the mandrax.com smtp server refuses to accept my > > mailings claiming that my > domain doesn't exist. > > > > I OWN ravenhome.homelinux.net. It IS a legit domain. > > I have > been using it for months without problem and > > even up to 2 weeks ago. I have kept it updated in > the > > dns system via dynamicdns (dydns.org) using ddclient > > to autoupdate the dydns > nameservers (and then have it > > propagate out from there). The main problem now is > > that I > used to have a DSL connection at home with a > > longterm IP (dynamic, but the term was long) and > would > > also receive a nearly static IP from work. Now, I am > > stuck with a horrific dialup > and thus only receive my > > IP for relatively short periods. > > > > This appear OK until > suddenly I am no longer able to > > post to this list (or others) because the listservers > > > don't like my so-called 'nonexistent' domain associate > > with my postfix mailserver. > > > > > What does it take to post here using postfix under my > > new circumstances. I cannot use > the yahoo servers and > > I simply refuse to do what I am doing now (using the > > yahoo web > interface) for ANYTHING but emergencies and > > intractable problems. The best fix would be > for the > > listserver to accept mail from my domain > > "ravenhome.homelinux.net" and quit > rejecting my > > messages. > > > > Anyone? > > > > praedor > > > # host -t MX > ravenhome.homelinux.net > Host ravenhome.homelinux.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > # > host ravenhome.homelinux.net > Host ravenhome.homelinux.net not found: > 3(NXDOMAIN) > > This could be the problem. if I do dig dig ravenhome.homelinux.net ; <<>> DiG 9.2.0 <<>> ravenhome.homelinux.net ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 6990 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ravenhome.homelinux.net. IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: homelinux.net. 1800IN SOA ns1.dyndns.org. hostmaster.dyndns.org. 2001577709 10800 1800 604800 1800 ;; Query time: 144 msec ;; SERVER: 216.148.227.68#53(216.148.227.68) ;; WHEN: Tue May 28 21:06:36 2002 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 102 if I do host host ravenhome.homlinux.net Host ravenhome.homlinux.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) It's some additional info maybe someone who understands DNS better than I can offer a cogent explanation. But it does seem that something in the DNS for ravenhome has gotten lost or broken. I'd contact the people at dyndns.org since you are using them and ask what is going on and how you can work together to correct it. They have a rep for being helpful so. use it. I think it's their glitch not yours. James > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Icecast, Shoutcast
> I'm using Shoutcast, the problem is that I cannot make it streaming song > titles, and another problem I have with it is setting up multiple mount > points. I can't help with the first part as I haven't yet tried shoutcasting but you might find symlinks to be a possible solution to your multiple mount point issue. That is, assuming you have a situation where some of your mp3s are in one directory and some are in somewhere else. You could create symlinks for all the 'elsewhere' files in your primary mp3 directory. > Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Getting Nautilus out of my system
It's funny that this thread pops up. I just installed mdk 8.1 on a PPro180 machine and have been cursing the guys at Eazel for creating Nautilus. I refuse to run Gnome because of it's bloat. I've been running Enlightenment with XWC as my file manager (it's all I really need) all day on it and it works aout quite well. Now I know how to turn off Nautilus. I may give Gnome another whirl. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Getting Nautilus out of my system On Tue, 28 May 2002 08:16:04 -0400, Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 28 May 2002 09:12:19 -0300 (BRT) > Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I love Mozilla but I hate Nautilus. I love Gnome but I hate Nautilus. > > So > > during MDK installation I simply did not select Galeon/Nautilus but > > select Mozilla and Gnome Midnight Commander, a efficient file > > manager. Moreover, I also use KDE. No problems at all. > > > > You will not like Gnome2 when it comes out. > GMC will no longer exist and only nautilus will be available to draw the > gnome desktop. Nautilus is much leaner and faster in GNOME 2. Give it a go. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Help Microsoft stamp out software piracy. Give GNU/Linux to a friend today. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpcinfo - problems
Brian Parish wrote: > > C'mon Craig, stop taunting the natives. Are you running a tally on how > many bites you've had so far on this one? > > Brian > Yep, and the number is growing. Even got a bite from civ. Now where did that guy with the rpcinfo results in german go? drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting Nautilus out of my system
On Tue, 28 May 2002 08:16:04 -0400, Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 28 May 2002 09:12:19 -0300 (BRT) > Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I love Mozilla but I hate Nautilus. I love Gnome but I hate Nautilus. > > So > > during MDK installation I simply did not select Galeon/Nautilus but > > select Mozilla and Gnome Midnight Commander, a efficient file > > manager. Moreover, I also use KDE. No problems at all. > > > > You will not like Gnome2 when it comes out. > GMC will no longer exist and only nautilus will be available to draw the > gnome desktop. Nautilus is much leaner and faster in GNOME 2. Give it a go. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Help Microsoft stamp out software piracy. Give GNU/Linux to a friend today. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpcinfo - problems
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 11:17, Jeferson Lopes Zacco wrote: > > > J. Craig Woods wrote: > > > > Hell, are you joking? This is the place for ANY question. I am still > > waiting for the answer to why the system time is always wrong when I run > > "uname -a". > > > Might be your lucky day... the output of uname -a is not your system > time, it's the time your current kernel was built... e.g.: > > [jeff@pinguim jeff]$ uname -a > Linux pinguim.localdomain 2.4.8-2jeff #1 Wed Nov 28 18:54:37 BRST 2001 i686 unknown > > ;^) > > > Wooky > C'mon Craig, stop taunting the natives. Are you running a tally on how many bites you've had so far on this one? Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpcinfo - problems
J. Craig Woods wrote: > Hell, are you joking? This is the place for ANY question. I am still > waiting for the answer to why the system time is always wrong when I run > "uname -a". Might be your lucky day... the output of uname -a is not your system time, it's the time your current kernel was built... e.g.: [jeff@pinguim jeff]$ uname -a Linux pinguim.localdomain 2.4.8-2jeff #1 Wed Nov 28 18:54:37 BRST 2001 i686 unknown ;^) Wooky -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.2 install fails on Shuttle FV25
I found the solution on deja. To install 8.2 on the Shuttle FV25 you need to first disable IDE Prefech in the BIOS setup. After I did that 8.2 installed without any problems. I don't know why the IDE prefech setting was causing the install to lockup. Robert --- Robert Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is some additional info from the Shuttle site: > > VIA VT8606T(PN133T) / VT82C686B Chipset > Socket 370, Supports Intel FCPGA Pentium III /Intel > FCPGA2 Pentium III-Tualatin / Celeron / > Celeron-Tualatin / VIA C3 > Two 168-pin SDR DIMM PC100/PC133 SDR DIMM > Onboard Savage 2D/3D Graphics Engine > Onboard IEEE 1394 / USB interface > Onboard 10/100 Fast Ethernet > Onboard AC97 audio > S-video and composite TV-out terminal > Supports ATA 33/66/100 IDE Interface > Flex Form Factor 190 X 175mm > > > --- Robert Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to install Mandrake 8.2 on a Shuttle > FV25 > > motherboard. I'm using a FTP install. All goes > > well > > until the graphical install tries to detect IDE > > devices. At that point my computer locks up. > > Because > > it locks up I can't figure out what is causing the > > lock up. > > > > Here is my system: > > > > Shuttle FV25 motherboard (snd, video, lan are all > > integrated) its a Flex ATX size board. > > > > I'm using all the integrated sound, video, and > lan. > > > > The hard drive is a 40 gb western digital. > > > > The cpu is a Via C3 900. > > > > I'm using this components to get a cool running > and > > quiet system. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert Barry > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from > MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpcinfo - problems
hans schneidhofer wrote: > > hi list, > > first at all - is the the right place for such problems like rpcinfo ? > > I have 2 mandrake - linuxboxes and 1 RH 7.1 Linuxbox. and one more winbox 98, > between the the 2 mdk 8.0 and 8.1 I don`t have problems with nfs, but the > RH-box as an NFS-Server answer the rpcinfo with this message : > > rpcinfo: Kann den Portmapper nicht erreichen: RPC: Fehler des entfernten > Systems - Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt. > > But rpcd starts before nfsd - as I can see in ps ax > > any ideas ? your help is very welcome > trhanks for helping me > hans schneidhofer > Hell, are you joking? This is the place for ANY question. I am still waiting for the answer to why the system time is always wrong when I run "uname -a". As to your particular question, could you translate the german message into english? I might be able to assist you. BTW have you run rpcinfo -p on the Red Hat machine or are you running this from a remote machine? Will nfs work for all the machines, i.e. can your mount any drive to any machine? Bottom line: we need more info from you, for example, what is your problem? -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] lots of freezes in LM 8.1
Stardate dff3c4b, Captain's Log. Update: memory sticks passed memtestx86 gladly. Still checking mem=nopentium option. Wooky -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
If anything, this question has raised a nice discussion about "newbies qustions". And that's a Good Thing (TM). My two cents: never be unpolite, answer it if you have the time to, if possible direct the newbie to the adequate place, and if it feels disgusting just ignore the question, someone else is bound to answer. Wooky -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain)
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 13:02, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > > Praedor, > > Did Yahoo recently change something on their side? I was thinking about > buying their POP/SMTP access but I won't if it doesn't support KMail > anymore. Actually that's backwards. KMail no longer supports yahoo. What yahoo did was enable password smtp authentication. This feature is not available in KMail. This caused me to change from Kmail to Evolution as my email client...not a bad move, I had been considering it anyway. Evolution supports smtp password authentication, plus a few others, you see. After the wild horses dragged me over to Evolution, I found it to actually be a better client. As long as they don't require gnome-core in order to install it, I'll be happy. > I know they used to support KMail as a few months ago I set up > Kmail to use their servers and it worked just fine. Then they started > charging and I haven't yet gotten around to re-setting things up... > > David Now, here's what happened. First they changed smtp from no authentication to password authentication. That chopped out a few users who were unwilling to change their email clients. Next they gave a warning to everyone that they were about to start charging for POP email access, two or so months ahead of time. As long as you did it before April or may something, it was 19.00 a year. That's about $1.58 a month. For users signing on after that date, I don't know what the price was. But the bottom line is that POP access is available for an affordable price. Well...I considered it affordable, taking into consideration that I've had this address for over 6 years and I did'nt want to lose it. If it goes up again tho, I'm moving. And damn the address. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: honeyport/shutdown [was: Re: [expert] OT, my ftp site]
nDiScReEt wrote: > > Thx for all you guys' help! I hope to get this working soon...lord > > knows I've learned alot since I asked what I thought was a simple > > question. Heh, never underestimate the power of linux to make it complex > > fast :) > > > > Femme > As far as the apache maintenance, that would depend on what version you are > currently using (ie apache 1.3 or apache 2.0). HTML/web tutorial, I would > recommend http://www.webmonkey.com. > Ty. The more tutorials for me that I read, the better. :) -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: "We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts." - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] lots of freezes in LM 8.1SNIPPED
Jeferson Lopes Zacco wrote: > Can you give me some hints about memtest? I still haven't checked my > machine, but I ran memtest in another one and it was *really* slow. > > > It took about twenty minutes to test 64 *kbytes*, if I am interpreting > the results correctly; if that is the normal speed, it would take 200 > hours to test 384 Mb! I *must* be doing something wrong... a link to a > page with documentation about it would be greatly appreciated... :^) > > > Wooky well I found memtest HP and it looks that I was misundertanding it, 20 min is the time it takes to test all 64MB (default tests). wooky -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] GTK Themes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How can i manually set which gtk theme to use. I have gtk-engines and some themes installed, and i want to change the default, preferably for all users, to one of my themes. I dont however have gnome or sawfish installed, so there is no simple configuration tool to do this graphically, nor an obvious way of doing it by hand. I have tries to overwrite the default in /usr/share/themes, no sucess, i have tried copying the theme's gtkrc to ~/.gtkrc, ~/.gtkrc-kde and had no success. The closest i got was making the gimp use it by copying the gtkrc and all the pictures into ~/.gimp/ but there must be a better way. Thanks Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE880TeXCpWOla2mCcRAvx4AJ9g38+uuTtrnGdbVfm+dUSV59M1PwCeLl7w 2bOlKXOBCztl1QUh8EjAwhE= =XdmW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] lots of freezes in LM 8.1SNIPPED
et wrote: > as easy as it is to run memtest (it is on the cds, you need to make a > bootable floppy, but this program will test your memory better than any other > I know of,,, or search for memtestx86. at least you will be sure just let > it run all the sests (takes a while) Can you give me some hints about memtest? I still haven't checked my machine, but I ran memtest in another one and it was *really* slow. It took about twenty minutes to test 64 *kbytes*, if I am interpreting the results correctly; if that is the normal speed, it would take 200 hours to test 384 Mb! I *must* be doing something wrong... a link to a page with documentation about it would be greatly appreciated... :^) Wooky -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 May 2002 8:38 pm, kwan wrote: > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Alastair Scott wrote: > > As for the second, you have to know it exists: it's remarkable _how > > different_ the approach to learning how to use Linux is to someone > > who has come from a Windows variant. > > > > With Windows, for home use, the command line is deemphasised > > (almost to the point of invisibility in Win2K and WinXP) and, in my > > experience, people eventually learn to do things through trial and > > error with the GUI. With a Linux command line, you'll become > > frustrated very quickly if you use trial and error. > > > > Thus doing things by looking up manual pages, HOWTOs, FAQs and so > > on may well be a big leap. (As someone who's used Unix/Linux for > > about 13 years I'm probably about the worst to say whether that > > thought is correct or not :) > > These are interesting comments. There was a discussion about a year > ago on comp.os.linux.misc with similar viewpoints. Though there was a > spectrum of opinion, the arguments were generally polarized around > either the "rtfm" or "there are no stupid questions" camps. As I say, even knowing what the manual is often a problem! > On the one hand, to grow the Linux community we need to be very > forgiving of newbie mistakes. There are things in Linux that are > very non-intuitive and sometimes inconsistent (not any moreso than > pressing "Start" to do a shutdown, but just different). Many argued > that the current groups of Linux gurus merely want to maintain the > illusion that they were privy to arcane lore. That (arcana via flameorama) is definitely my experience, although it's a less serious problem than it was. Because of the different balance between GUI and command line much of Linux is 'unintuitive' when coming to it for the first time and I suspect this problem will only get worse over time. I've noticed, when training people on Unix-based systems over the years, that progressively fewer and fewer people are coming with _the concept of_ a command line or even knowledge that more than one GUI exists. Because of this the introduction to the command line has to be very slow and sure and everyone expects a Unix GUI to behave exactly like a Windows GUI; I'm frequently assailed by 'where are the keyboard shortcuts?' - or any of 101 other pet tricks - and have to explain patiently 'it's not necessarily worse, it's a different approach'. (Things were easier to put across when people didn't generally have computers at home). > On the other hand, there's the idea that a certain level of entry is > needed to prevent the usenet groups from having to answer the same > "how do I telnet as root" questions over and over and over again. The > usefulness of the groups are diluted when questions that are answered > in the FAQs get asked every single day. Because the groups are almost > entirely "staffed" by volunteers, it's annoying and insulting when > someone feels that their time so valuable that they cannot be > bothered to spend the little extra time needed to do a Google search. This is difficult; once again you have to know, somehow, that Google Groups is the first port of call. I usually advise new users not to post to Usenet because of the danger of being attacked but do tell them to search Google Groups first of all. (I found this out via this mailing list; when I used Windows I wouldn't have had any reason to access groups.google.com). I think, in the end, one has to be forgiving. > > There are also big conceptual differences; last night I was > > 'evangelising at dinner' and it was extraordinarily hard to get > > across the concept of 'no drive letters' and the fact that > > applications and data are separate in Linux. (Eventually it did get > > across and I was handing out Mandrake CDs :) > > Does Windows *still* do this? I'd hoped that they'd dropped that > idiotic drive letter madness with 2000. There's nothing like editing > a registry to get your system working after you add another drive > causing everything to move up a letter or two. Yes - the letters are written on tablets of stone and will probably last as long as Windows (for backward compatibility). What finally got the point across was the Windows utility which comes with Partition Magic and does this global drive letter alteration for you; the utility may be clever but the need to do it at all is ridiculous ... Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE88+SgCv59vFiSU4YRAv+/AJ4qPKaEIiJ1UxWStOFjJ/86+nkS4gCgt1wW kivfGqff/W0CQKj5K9oZEpk= =QE+d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] rpcinfo - problems
hi list, first at all - is the the right place for such problems like rpcinfo ? I have 2 mandrake - linuxboxes and 1 RH 7.1 Linuxbox. and one more winbox 98, between the the 2 mdk 8.0 and 8.1 I don`t have problems with nfs, but the RH-box as an NFS-Server answer the rpcinfo with this message : rpcinfo: Kann den Portmapper nicht erreichen: RPC: Fehler des entfernten Systems - Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt. But rpcd starts before nfsd - as I can see in ps ax any ideas ? your help is very welcome trhanks for helping me hans schneidhofer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
Alastair Scott wrote: > Perhaps there should be an 'Conceptual Differences between Windows and > Linux HOWTO' ... ? (If anyone else thinks it should exist I might have > a shot at writing it; there's nothing like a difficult challenge ... !) Of course it should exist! I've made a few feeble attempts or partial attempts at portions of such a thing, they are scattered around my public and private TWikis. The only relevant page that I could find quickly is http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxRulesOfThumb, and, unfortunately, it is rather trite. If you do a search on WikiLearn for Linux, you may recognize a few other pages that touch on the same concept -- conceptual differences between Windows and Linux, or phrased another way, helping Windows refugees to get up to speed on Linux -- in fact, that is one of the focuses of WikiLearn. Take a look at that page, try to ignore its triteness, and feel free to add to it (or start new pages) dealing with the conceptual differences you have in mind. I think that a wiki may be more suitable for this topic than a HOWTO, as we can create a wiki page for each conceptual difference, and another wiki page that lists them all (eventually), with a brief description or discussion, and refers to the individual page for more information. And the pages are inherently online, searchable, and indexed by search engines like Google. Just my $.02, and hoping to take advantage of anyone who might like to write something on WikiLearn. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain)
Praedor Tempus said: > Until about a week-and-a-half ago, I had no problems > receiving or posting messages to the list. Since > then, I find I am no longer able to post, only > receive. > > I cannot post to the group through the yahoo smtp > server - it ONLY supports Netscape mail, eudora, and > so forth, with authentication on the outbound send. > This means you cannot use kmail or virtually any other > mail app in linux if you use yahoo (I will be dropping > them as soon as my paid term is up - the losers). In > any case, I have long had no problems using local > postfix to send email to this list and several others. > It even worked up to about a week or so ago. Since > then, however, anytime I try to send a message to the > list, the mandrax.com smtp server refuses to accept my > mailings claiming that my domain doesn't exist. > > I OWN ravenhome.homelinux.net. It IS a legit domain. > I have been using it for months without problem and > even up to 2 weeks ago. I have kept it updated in the > dns system via dynamicdns (dydns.org) using ddclient > to autoupdate the dydns nameservers (and then have it > propagate out from there). The main problem now is > that I used to have a DSL connection at home with a > longterm IP (dynamic, but the term was long) and would > also receive a nearly static IP from work. Now, I am > stuck with a horrific dialup and thus only receive my > IP for relatively short periods. > > This appear OK until suddenly I am no longer able to > post to this list (or others) because the listservers > don't like my so-called 'nonexistent' domain associate > with my postfix mailserver. > > What does it take to post here using postfix under my > new circumstances. I cannot use the yahoo servers and > I simply refuse to do what I am doing now (using the > yahoo web interface) for ANYTHING but emergencies and > intractable problems. The best fix would be for the > listserver to accept mail from my domain > "ravenhome.homelinux.net" and quit rejecting my > messages. > > Anyone? > > praedor > # host -t MX ravenhome.homelinux.net Host ravenhome.homelinux.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) # host ravenhome.homelinux.net Host ravenhome.homelinux.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) This could be the problem. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] mdk 8.0 crashes
hi, have discovered a problem : have connected a DSL-Modem from Alcatel and have a running connection with pptp (pppoe is not possible, my provider have only this protocol) - but after about 24 hours the system is running slower and slower. and about 48 hours (a few hours less or more) I cannot reach this box within my internal network. restarting the X-Server doesn`solve the problem - only power off is possible and solves the problem. Is this behavior a known bug or do I have some mistakes in my system ? thanks for your ideas and helping hans schneidhofer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Alastair Scott wrote: > As for the second, you have to know it exists: it's remarkable _how > different_ the approach to learning how to use Linux is to someone who > has come from a Windows variant. > > With Windows, for home use, the command line is deemphasised (almost to > the point of invisibility in Win2K and WinXP) and, in my experience, > people eventually learn to do things through trial and error with the > GUI. With a Linux command line, you'll become frustrated very quickly > if you use trial and error. > > Thus doing things by looking up manual pages, HOWTOs, FAQs and so on may > well be a big leap. (As someone who's used Unix/Linux for about 13 > years I'm probably about the worst to say whether that thought is > correct or not :) These are interesting comments. There was a discussion about a year ago on comp.os.linux.misc with similar viewpoints. Though there was a spectrum of opinion, the arguments were generally polarized around either the "rtfm" or "there are no stupid questions" camps. On the one hand, to grow the Linux community we need to be very forgiving of newbie mistakes. There are things in Linux that are very non-intuitive and sometimes inconsistent (not any moreso than pressing "Start" to do a shutdown, but just different). Many argued that the current groups of Linux gurus merely want to maintain the illusion that they were privy to arcane lore. On the other hand, there's the idea that a certain level of entry is needed to prevent the usenet groups from having to answer the same "how do I telnet as root" questions over and over and over again. The usefulness of the groups are diluted when questions that are answered in the FAQs get asked every single day. Because the groups are almost entirely "staffed" by volunteers, it's annoying and insulting when someone feels that their time so valuable that they cannot be bothered to spend the little extra time needed to do a Google search. > > There are also big conceptual differences; last night I was > 'evangelising at dinner' and it was extraordinarily hard to get across > the concept of 'no drive letters' and the fact that applications and > data are separate in Linux. (Eventually it did get across and I was > handing out Mandrake CDs :) Does Windows *still* do this? I'd hoped that they'd dropped that idiotic drive letter madness with 2000. There's nothing like editing a registry to get your system working after you add another drive causing everything to move up a letter or two. > > Perhaps there should be an 'Conceptual Differences between Windows and > Linux HOWTO' ... ? (If anyone else thinks it should exist I might have > a shot at writing it; there's nothing like a difficult challenge ... !) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 May 2002 4:10 pm, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote: > Le Mardi 28 Mai 2002 16:45, vous avez écrit : > > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on > > the command line. > > Hell... > > Even on a newbie mailing-list, there aren't such questions... > Have you ever read a introduction to Linux doc ? The first sentence is just not so in my experience :) As for the second, you have to know it exists: it's remarkable _how different_ the approach to learning how to use Linux is to someone who has come from a Windows variant. With Windows, for home use, the command line is deemphasised (almost to the point of invisibility in Win2K and WinXP) and, in my experience, people eventually learn to do things through trial and error with the GUI. With a Linux command line, you'll become frustrated very quickly if you use trial and error. Thus doing things by looking up manual pages, HOWTOs, FAQs and so on may well be a big leap. (As someone who's used Unix/Linux for about 13 years I'm probably about the worst to say whether that thought is correct or not :) There are also big conceptual differences; last night I was 'evangelising at dinner' and it was extraordinarily hard to get across the concept of 'no drive letters' and the fact that applications and data are separate in Linux. (Eventually it did get across and I was handing out Mandrake CDs :) Perhaps there should be an 'Conceptual Differences between Windows and Linux HOWTO' ... ? (If anyone else thinks it should exist I might have a shot at writing it; there's nothing like a difficult challenge ... !) Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE888qjCv59vFiSU4YRAqfOAKCbQ0mtAL1rrgiKYDr1bhH41lFYEACgr/5q A+QqVX8PJ5UNKL48EE6194I= =jwpo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain)
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Praedor Tempus wrote: > Until about a week-and-a-half ago, I had no problems > receiving or posting messages to the list. Since > then, I find I am no longer able to post, only > receive. > > I cannot post to the group through the yahoo smtp > server - it ONLY supports Netscape mail, eudora, and > so forth, with authentication on the outbound send. > This means you cannot use kmail or virtually any other > mail app in linux if you use yahoo (I will be dropping > them as soon as my paid term is up - the losers). In > any case, I have long had no problems using local > postfix to send email to this list and several others. > It even worked up to about a week or so ago. Since > then, however, anytime I try to send a message to the > list, the mandrax.com smtp server refuses to accept my > mailings claiming that my domain doesn't exist. > > I OWN ravenhome.homelinux.net. It IS a legit domain. > I have been using it for months without problem and > even up to 2 weeks ago. I have kept it updated in the > dns system via dynamicdns (dydns.org) using ddclient > to autoupdate the dydns nameservers (and then have it > propagate out from there). The main problem now is > that I used to have a DSL connection at home with a > longterm IP (dynamic, but the term was long) and would > also receive a nearly static IP from work. Now, I am > stuck with a horrific dialup and thus only receive my > IP for relatively short periods. > > This appear OK until suddenly I am no longer able to > post to this list (or others) because the listservers > don't like my so-called 'nonexistent' domain associate > with my postfix mailserver. > > What does it take to post here using postfix under my > new circumstances. I cannot use the yahoo servers and > I simply refuse to do what I am doing now (using the > yahoo web interface) for ANYTHING but emergencies and > intractable problems. The best fix would be for the > listserver to accept mail from my domain > "ravenhome.homelinux.net" and quit rejecting my > messages. > > Anyone? > > praedor > Praedor, what you're going to have to do make your postfix server reverse dns-able. the servers running the list won't accept mail from servers unless they can do successful reverse lookups on them. I had the same problem until three things happened. I got a cable connection that allows me a static IP, I set up dns and reverse lookup, and I started using NAT so that all the packets leaving my boxes all get the gateway's ip address. I don't know that the third one has anything to do with all this, but it helps me feel better about all the other stuff. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Simon Naish wrote: > OK fair enough, but this is covered in the Mandrake Reference Manual, under the >chapter heading:- > Using The Command Line > Section:- > File Handling Utilities > Command:- > mv: Moving or Renaming Files. > > Maybe this information would have been more useful to a newbie than > just mv very true... you are 100% correct, and had you not pointed this out in this manner this new person would not have known "where" to find this information. :) all part of the Journey. heck! it was 3 months before I realized there even was a basic instruction manual on the system. Mark > > (or even go to the linux-mandrake site and click documentation, then select >your language (might really help!) and Reference Manual.) > > as the command doesn't really cover the important bit, where to find this stuff out >for yourself. As 'experts' - I dont include myself as an expert per se, but I have >played about with Linux for a while etc, and am a developer using Linux every day at >work, and prefer Mandrake at home to any other distro/OS. > > The point is this newbie has asked a good question. mv isnt immediately obvious, but >its not necessarily the best question to have asked. That would have been, 'where do >I discover how to use the command line interface in a nicely formated way?' As >experts this should be the first response. Not only are we who are on this list >purporting to be able to solve serious problems, but also point people in the right >direction to help themselves where appropriate. > > This isnt in any way an attempt to put peoples efforts down, I wouldnt be on the >list if I didnt rate it, I'm not on any others as this ones so useful :). However >much I appreciate the whole 'we're experts dont bother us with nonsense questions' >argument, I cant help feeling it doesnt help the community to flame newbies asking >what are, to them expert questions. Dont forget the comand line is no longer the way >new users and people generally perceive Linux, kde or gnome or fluxbox or whatever >is. Thus to Joe Bloggs the CLI is truly a daunting place, which only experts >understand. Makes sense to ask the experts when its put like that. > > Of course we should answer, but also educate, and help that education by doing more >than answering such a 'simple' question with a lowest common denominator answer. > > Peace. > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Dodd, David J wrote: > > yo sorry im at work right now and all we have are windoz boxes and this > happened last night on a box at home. Next time I will use the man > page, sorry > David, don't sweat it. from experience I can tell you that the man pages are and can be tough to understand if you really new to Linux. ask all the questions you want. feel free to email off list if you like and if I don't know the answer I know how to find it. If not me there are a lot of others on the list that are more then happy to help. If you've really got a tough one the ultimate expert on either the newbie or expert list would be one called Civileme. He works for MandrakeSoft and reads both lists regularly. Mark a.k.a. daRcmaTTeR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain)
Praedor, Did Yahoo recently change something on their side? I was thinking about buying their POP/SMTP access but I won't if it doesn't support KMail anymore. I know they used to support KMail as a few months ago I set up Kmail to use their servers and it worked just fine. Then they started charging and I haven't yet gotten around to re-setting things up... David -Original Message- From: Praedor Tempus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:41 AM To: Expert Subject: [expert] can no longer post (without undue pain) Until about a week-and-a-half ago, I had no problems receiving or posting messages to the list. Since then, I find I am no longer able to post, only receive. I cannot post to the group through the yahoo smtp server - it ONLY supports Netscape mail, eudora, and so forth, with authentication on the outbound send. This means you cannot use kmail or virtually any other mail app in linux if you use yahoo (I will be dropping them as soon as my paid term is up - the losers). In any case, I have long had no problems using local postfix to send email to this list and several others. It even worked up to about a week or so ago. Since then, however, anytime I try to send a message to the list, the mandrax.com smtp server refuses to accept my mailings claiming that my domain doesn't exist. I OWN ravenhome.homelinux.net. It IS a legit domain. I have been using it for months without problem and even up to 2 weeks ago. I have kept it updated in the dns system via dynamicdns (dydns.org) using ddclient to autoupdate the dydns nameservers (and then have it propagate out from there). The main problem now is that I used to have a DSL connection at home with a longterm IP (dynamic, but the term was long) and would also receive a nearly static IP from work. Now, I am stuck with a horrific dialup and thus only receive my IP for relatively short periods. This appear OK until suddenly I am no longer able to post to this list (or others) because the listservers don't like my so-called 'nonexistent' domain associate with my postfix mailserver. What does it take to post here using postfix under my new circumstances. I cannot use the yahoo servers and I simply refuse to do what I am doing now (using the yahoo web interface) for ANYTHING but emergencies and intractable problems. The best fix would be for the listserver to accept mail from my domain "ravenhome.homelinux.net" and quit rejecting my messages. Anyone? praedor __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
On Tue, 28 May 2002 17:10:18 +0200 Nicolas ROBAUX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le Mardi 28 Mai 2002 16:45, vous avez écrit : > > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the > > command line. > > > > Hell... > > Even on a newbie mailing-list, there aren't such questions... > Have you ever read a introduction to Linux doc ? > > N. > > hi Nicolas! assuming that i could be a real expert, that i could know all about all, what kind of question could i ask?... but maybe this question is a newbie one newbies welcome bye jipe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
Hi David, Sometimes it's hard to use the man pages if you don't know what you don't know. $man "fix my problem" has never worked for me :) I would start with Google before anything else. As an example, typing in "renaming files Linux command line" brings you to a nice page that lists a ton of UNIX commands and what they do. If you need more information after that, then go to the man pages. If you still need help, then by all means feel free to post to the lists. Generally, it's best to state where you've looked for help and what you've tried and what happened when you did. Then, people will know you've "RTFM" and will be in a better position to help you. HTH David -Original Message- From: Dodd, David J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line? yo sorry im at work right now and all we have are windoz boxes and this happened last night on a box at home. Next time I will use the man page, sorry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] can no longer post (without undue pain)
Until about a week-and-a-half ago, I had no problems receiving or posting messages to the list. Since then, I find I am no longer able to post, only receive. I cannot post to the group through the yahoo smtp server - it ONLY supports Netscape mail, eudora, and so forth, with authentication on the outbound send. This means you cannot use kmail or virtually any other mail app in linux if you use yahoo (I will be dropping them as soon as my paid term is up - the losers). In any case, I have long had no problems using local postfix to send email to this list and several others. It even worked up to about a week or so ago. Since then, however, anytime I try to send a message to the list, the mandrax.com smtp server refuses to accept my mailings claiming that my domain doesn't exist. I OWN ravenhome.homelinux.net. It IS a legit domain. I have been using it for months without problem and even up to 2 weeks ago. I have kept it updated in the dns system via dynamicdns (dydns.org) using ddclient to autoupdate the dydns nameservers (and then have it propagate out from there). The main problem now is that I used to have a DSL connection at home with a longterm IP (dynamic, but the term was long) and would also receive a nearly static IP from work. Now, I am stuck with a horrific dialup and thus only receive my IP for relatively short periods. This appear OK until suddenly I am no longer able to post to this list (or others) because the listservers don't like my so-called 'nonexistent' domain associate with my postfix mailserver. What does it take to post here using postfix under my new circumstances. I cannot use the yahoo servers and I simply refuse to do what I am doing now (using the yahoo web interface) for ANYTHING but emergencies and intractable problems. The best fix would be for the listserver to accept mail from my domain "ravenhome.homelinux.net" and quit rejecting my messages. Anyone? praedor __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
At 10:42 AM 5/28/02, you wrote: >This is getting more and more OT, bt since no one is seeming to >complain... just tell me, which one is Bush and which one is Clinton? > >Wooky Bush is on the porch and Clinton has his pants around his knees. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
- Original Message - From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:43:26 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line? > > Amen, I couldn't agree more!!! > > Mike McNeese > > ( former complete newbie ) > > daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > > > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote: > > > > > Le Mardi 28 Mai 2002 16:45, vous avez écrit : > > > > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the > > > > command line. > > > > > > > > > > Hell... > > > > > > Even on a newbie mailing-list, there aren't such questions... > > > Have you ever read a introduction to Linux doc ? > > > > > > N. > > > > > > > Ok...I smell a flame war starting, so I will make a statement before it > > even gets started. I'm refering back to a message that was posted the > > other week by Femme. She said that one of the first places she thought to > > look would be the expert list because of the very name of the list and > > what it suggests. (I am of course paraphrasing) which makes a lot of > > sense. if you're a completely "new" Linux user that question about "how to > > rename a file" is a perfectly valid question AND it is equally reasonable > > and understandabl for a brand new user to look directly to an expert > > for the answer to that question. > > > > ergo, the beginning of the journey and the gaining of knowledge. It all, > > we all must start somewhere. what better place to start the journey then > > by asking the experts? > > > > worked for me when I started... > > > > daRcmaTTeR > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > OK fair enough, but this is covered in the Mandrake Reference Manual, under the chapter heading:- Using The Command Line Section:- File Handling Utilities Command:- mv: Moving or Renaming Files. Maybe this information would have been more useful to a newbie than just mv (or even go to the linux-mandrake site and click documentation, then select your language (might really help!) and Reference Manual.) as the command doesn't really cover the important bit, where to find this stuff out for yourself. As 'experts' - I dont include myself as an expert per se, but I have played about with Linux for a while etc, and am a developer using Linux every day at work, and prefer Mandrake at home to any other distro/OS. The point is this newbie has asked a good question. mv isnt immediately obvious, but its not necessarily the best question to have asked. That would have been, 'where do I discover how to use the command line interface in a nicely formated way?' As experts this should be the first response. Not only are we who are on this list purporting to be able to solve serious problems, but also point people in the right direction to help themselves where appropriate. This isnt in any way an attempt to put peoples efforts down, I wouldnt be on the list if I didnt rate it, I'm not on any others as this ones so useful :). However much I appreciate the whole 'we're experts dont bother us with nonsense questions' argument, I cant help feeling it doesnt help the community to flame newbies asking what are, to them expert questions. Dont forget the comand line is no longer the way new users and people generally perceive Linux, kde or gnome or fluxbox or whatever is. Thus to Joe Bloggs the CLI is truly a daunting place, which only experts understand. Makes sense to ask the experts when its put like that. Of course we should answer, but also educate, and help that education by doing more than answering such a 'simple' question with a lowest common denominator answer. Peace. -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
yo sorry im at work right now and all we have are windoz boxes and this happened last night on a box at home. Next time I will use the man page, sorry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
Amen, I couldn't agree more!!! Mike McNeese ( former complete newbie ) daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote: > > > Le Mardi 28 Mai 2002 16:45, vous avez écrit : > > > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the > > > command line. > > > > > > > Hell... > > > > Even on a newbie mailing-list, there aren't such questions... > > Have you ever read a introduction to Linux doc ? > > > > N. > > > > Ok...I smell a flame war starting, so I will make a statement before it > even gets started. I'm refering back to a message that was posted the > other week by Femme. She said that one of the first places she thought to > look would be the expert list because of the very name of the list and > what it suggests. (I am of course paraphrasing) which makes a lot of > sense. if you're a completely "new" Linux user that question about "how to > rename a file" is a perfectly valid question AND it is equally reasonable > and understandabl for a brand new user to look directly to an expert > for the answer to that question. > > ergo, the beginning of the journey and the gaining of knowledge. It all, > we all must start somewhere. what better place to start the journey then > by asking the experts? > > worked for me when I started... > > daRcmaTTeR > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote: > Le Mardi 28 Mai 2002 16:45, vous avez écrit : > > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the > > command line. > > > > Hell... > > Even on a newbie mailing-list, there aren't such questions... > Have you ever read a introduction to Linux doc ? > > N. > Ok...I smell a flame war starting, so I will make a statement before it even gets started. I'm refering back to a message that was posted the other week by Femme. She said that one of the first places she thought to look would be the expert list because of the very name of the list and what it suggests. (I am of course paraphrasing) which makes a lot of sense. if you're a completely "new" Linux user that question about "how to rename a file" is a perfectly valid question AND it is equally reasonable and understandabl for a brand new user to look directly to an expert for the answer to that question. ergo, the beginning of the journey and the gaining of knowledge. It all, we all must start somewhere. what better place to start the journey then by asking the experts? worked for me when I started... daRcmaTTeR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Icecast, Shoutcast
Hello, has anyone experience with setting up an Icecast server, as source for it I'm using Shoutcast, the problem is that I cannot make it streaming song titles, and another problem I have with it is setting up multiple mount points. If You can help, pls do so... Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
Le Mardi 28 Mai 2002 16:45, vous avez écrit : > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the > command line. > Hell... Even on a newbie mailing-list, there aren't such questions... Have you ever read a introduction to Linux doc ? N. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
On Tue, 28 May 2002 07:40:36 -0700 "Dodd, David J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the > command line. > > thanks > > dave > If you're wanting to rename a file it's: mv -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com A day for firm decisions! Or is it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
You can use mv (move) or rename. eg: $ mv file1 file2 (change the file "file1" to "file2") $rename 1 2 file1 (Changes the "1" in "file1" to "2", i.e, rename it ) See the manpages of both commands for more info. Wooky Dodd, David J wrote: > I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the > command line. > > thanks > > dave > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
I use the mv command: mv HTH David -Original Message- From: Dodd, David J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line? I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the command line. thanks dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting Nautilus out of my system
:-) So God bless Gnome 2.0 On Tue, 28 May 2002, Charles A Edwards wrote: > You will not like Gnome2 when it comes out. > GMC will no longer exist and only nautilus will be available to draw the > gnome desktop. > > > Charles --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting Nautilus out of my system
FemmeFatale wrote: > ya I was looking for a WM. Enlightenment & Some KDE ... unfortunately I > found some Gnome-ish apps I enjoy, like Galeon. Wish I could find better > alternatives but most of the other ones I am ignorant of or don't like. > :) > > Still, its all reasonably fast, a few quirksother than that I'm > happy. > > Not much help either I don't' think though. As a note, there is no problem at all in running Gnome/KDE apps under other GUIs/WMs. E.g., I use WindowMaker (sorry all Fluxbox lovers out there, I like icons!) with Galeon and Konqueror (while Nautilus is outright beautiful, it lacks many features to be really useful). Well you have to have some memory available to load both QT and GTK+ libs of course. But I have no problems with slow or unresponsive GUIs. Wooky -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
I was wondering the proper way to change a file name in linux on the command line. thanks dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
This is getting more and more OT, bt since no one is seeming to complain... just tell me, which one is Bush and which one is Clinton? Wooky J. Grant wrote: > Mandrake is a european distribution! > > Am I the only one who does not follow US political jokes? > Perhaps you can change the names to Jacques Chiraque and Francoise > Meteron next time? :) > > JG > > J. Craig Woods wrote: > > A little early morning humor (hey, the list had no traffic). > > > > > > A little old lady called 911. When the operator answered she > > yelled, "Help! Send the police to my house right away! There's > > a damned republican on my front porch and he's playing with > > himself." > > > > "What?" the operator exclaimed! > > > > "I said there is a damned republican on my front porch playing > > with himself! Please send the police!" the little old lady > > repeated. > > > > "Ma'am, how do you know he's a republican?" > > > > "Because, you damned fool, if he were a democrat, he'd be > > screwing somebody." > > > > cheers, > > drjung > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 01:52, J. Craig Woods wrote: > A little early morning humor (hey, the list had no traffic). > > > A little old lady called 911. When the operator answered she > yelled, "Help! Send the police to my house right away! There's > a damned republican on my front porch and he's playing with > himself." > > "What?" the operator exclaimed! > > "I said there is a damned republican on my front porch playing > with himself! Please send the police!" the little old lady > repeated. > > "Ma'am, how do you know he's a republican?" > > "Because, you damned fool, if he were a democrat, he'd be > screwing somebody." > > cheers, > drjung That's just what I needed to start the day off, Doc. Thanks!! lol.. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] new user added to NIS/Yellow Page
Hi List, I am a really bad manager, I set a NIS server some time ago and now I had to add some new users but I completely forgot what I have to do to make them able to use the NIS terminals (run 'make' at /var/yp is not being enough :). Please can someone remind me this? And pardon for getting lazy. Many thanks in advance. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting Nautilus out of my system
On Tue, 28 May 2002 09:12:19 -0300 (BRT) Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love Mozilla but I hate Nautilus. I love Gnome but I hate Nautilus. > So > during MDK installation I simply did not select Galeon/Nautilus but > select Mozilla and Gnome Midnight Commander, a efficient file > manager. Moreover, I also use KDE. No problems at all. > You will not like Gnome2 when it comes out. GMC will no longer exist and only nautilus will be available to draw the gnome desktop. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting Nautilus out of my system
I love Mozilla but I hate Nautilus. I love Gnome but I hate Nautilus. So during MDK installation I simply did not select Galeon/Nautilus but select Mozilla and Gnome Midnight Commander, a efficient file manager. Moreover, I also use KDE. No problems at all. > I couldn't agree with you more about Nautilus. I've got a solution, but > it probably won't be what you want to hear. > > The way I trim the system down during install is to deselect all group > packages except for KDE Workstation. Then I go to the individual > package list and go thru the entire package listing, picking out what > I'd like to have. If any package that I'm considering installing turns > out to require gnome-core, I immediately decide that I don't want it. > > Most importantly I select Enlightenment window manager and get esound > support installed for all multimedia packages (xmms for an example). > Later, when Enlightenment is brought up I enable kde support for E and > volia! I instantly have access to all kde apps; including konqueror, > which also functions as a file manager. If you do it that way, none of > the gnome bloat will get into your system. > > If konqueror isn't your speed, you can always pick another file manager > from some others listed in the email archives. I believe Femme was > looking for an alternative some time back, she may have settled on a > solution. > > As for breaking stuff...if your dependencies to gnome-core are involving > some important apps that you use everyday, you are looking at trouble. > If it was me, I'd back up my data to CDRW and reinstall with the above > procedure; and sidestep any future apps that required gnome-core. > > Sorry my response was not more helpful. > > LX > -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Something weird with RPM
James wrote: > The last IT shop I was in had a sledge hammer on the wall (where it came > from who knows.) The sign under it said. > > A Systems Administrators Last Resort. > > > As a hardware tech my greatest fear was that someone would use it. > > James > Ha!... James! that could have another use other then the most obvious one. That other resort could be one of relief from the stress being endured at the hands of stubborn software. ya know...there have been lots of times I've been chasing a bug in a program, or tracking something in source code that I just can't find and longed for a heavy hammer to give myself a headache so that my brain would already be in a pain I could take a pill for! :) Mark > > On 28 May 2002 11:19:09 +1000 > Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 05:34, Mark D. Weaver wrote: >> >>>And to think when I recover from all this self-inflicted pain I've >>>got to figure out why my buddy Roger's router is being stoopid! >>> >>>Where'd I put that damned 8 pound hammer. I need a good smackin >>>around to take the edge off! ;) >>> >>>Mark >> >>Mark, >> >>Sounds to me like the 8 pound hammer may not do the job. Maybe you >>need an upgrade ;-) >> >>Brian >> >> >> > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Mandrake is a european distribution! Am I the only one who does not follow US political jokes? Perhaps you can change the names to Jacques Chiraque and Francoise Meteron next time? :) JG J. Craig Woods wrote: > A little early morning humor (hey, the list had no traffic). > > > A little old lady called 911. When the operator answered she > yelled, "Help! Send the police to my house right away! There's > a damned republican on my front porch and he's playing with > himself." > > "What?" the operator exclaimed! > > "I said there is a damned republican on my front porch playing > with himself! Please send the police!" the little old lady > repeated. > > "Ma'am, how do you know he's a republican?" > > "Because, you damned fool, if he were a democrat, he'd be > screwing somebody." > > cheers, > drjung > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: honeyport/shutdown [was: Re: [expert] OT, my ftp site]
On Saturday 25 May 2002 11:25 pm, Femme wrote: > On Sat, 25 May 2002 20:50:16 -0700 > > James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Check your commonhttpd.conf file, (/etc/httpd/conf/ ) but usually the > > default allows you to follow symlinks (in the past) if not look for > > > > # Each directory to which Apache has access, can be configured with > > respect# to which services and features are allowed and/or disabled in > > that# directory (and its subdirectories). > > # > > # First, we configure the "default" to be a very restrictive set of > > # permissions. > > # > > # Also, for security, we disable indexes globally > > # > > > > Options -Indexes FollowSymLinks > > AllowOverride None > > > > > > > > and make it look like the above. Then go to var/www/html and type ln > > -s/absolute/path/to/my/directory directory This will then be the same > > as moving them physically there. It's a hack but it works. > > > > James > > *giggles* Hacks are cool. Thx mucho James. I'll try your idea &/or > ndiscreets. Not sure which yet will yield better results. > > As an aside, any chance someone can point me to a "newbie-fied" apache > install/maintenance URL? I'm pretty useless with HTML/web > stuff...having never tried it, but am a fast learner *Smiles*. > > Thx for all you guys' help! I hope to get this working soon...lord > knows I've learned alot since I asked what I thought was a simple > question. Heh, never underestimate the power of linux to make it complex > fast :) > > Femme As far as the apache maintenance, that would depend on what version you are currently using (ie apache 1.3 or apache 2.0). HTML/web tutorial, I would recommend http://www.webmonkey.com. -- Altoine B Maximum Time Unlimited Chicago Based and Operated The Great Movie Posters: SCENES THAT WILL STAGGER YOUR SIGHT! -- DANCING CALLED GO-GO -- MUSIC CALLED JU-JU -- NARCOTICS CALLED BANGI! -- FIRES OF PUBERTY! SEE the burning of a virgin! SEE power of witch doctor over women! SEE pygmies with fantastic Physical Endowments!!! -- Kwaheri (1965) The Big Comedy of Nineteen-Sexty-Sex! -- Boeing-Boeing (1965) AN ASTRONAUT WENT UP- A "GUESS WHAT" CAME DOWN! The picture that comes complete with a 10-foot tall monster to give you the wim-wams! -- Monster a Go-Go (1965) --- 2.4.18-16mdk Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Can't locate module
On Monday 27 May 2002 12:12 am, Jason Guidry wrote: > On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 23:01, nDiScReEt wrote: > > You have to run depmod before trying to load the module. > > > > /sbin/depmod -a > > > > That should be all that you need. Then you will be able to modprobe your > > special package. > > hehepackage... > > [root@localhost Prism2-2002-05-16]# /sbin/depmod -a > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdksecure/kernel/3rdparty/hostap_pci.o.gz > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdksecure/kernel/drivers/hostap_pci.o > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdksecure/kernel/hostap_pci.o > > > grrr...and I've tried this with another version of the driver with the > same results. i'm now finally at the point where I can issue some > commands on the card (after changing it's PCI slot) but harddrake and > drakgw don't see the card as a NIC. > > my laptop also sees the desktop and connects, although it cannot get to > the internet. Well those errors aren't surprising but it should have still loaded right? YOu can check after running modprobe by issueing this command: /sbin/lsmod | head -3 (You could substitute the number 3 for number 1 but I do that just in case I get additional modules loaded like with video1394) Ok, I take it your desktop handles connection sharing? or do you have one chiefly as a firewall/router? Are you using ipchains or iptables? Do you know how to configure your ip filter to do ip masquerading? If you can connect to the desktop (That is if it is the one sharing it's internet connection), then you need to configure your rules to allow anything connecting to your access point (nic) to share the desktop's internet connection. -- Altoine B Maximum Time Unlimited Chicago Based and Operated "Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex." (Where there is no police, there is no speed limit.) -- Roman Law, trans. Petr Beckmann (1971) --- 2.4.18-16mdk Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] dial-up err...dial-in server
> Never mind found all I needed with 'mgetty' and the 'Callback mini howto' Sorry to waste bandwidth :op Harm. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CD databases
- Original Message - From: Richie de Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:57:04 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] CD databases > On May 27, 2002 09:19 am, Raider wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I have quite a large collection of CDs. And I really need a database > > for their contents (lots of backups and archives too). > > > > I haven't tried it, but I saw a CD database app on offer at apps.kde.com, > sorry I don't recall the name but you can search their database, I recall it > runs on MySQL or postgresql--- > > If you want to roll-your-own CD DB app have a look at "Adabas" it comes as an > add-on package to StarOffice 6.0 and is meant to be a desktop-database a-la > MS Access. BTW StartOffice 6.0 is gratis if you sign on to Mandrake Club > Silver membership. > > Richie > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Try GTKtalog (think thats the right spelling ) it's probably the one that Richie has seen. You just slap the cd in and let it do its thing. It will look through zips and RPMs to get a omplete list of files, so unless you have a long long time to wait dont put those distro disks in. I made this mistake ;-| doh! It took about 45 minutes to read the disk, but it seemed like a fine effort to reproduce the contents. That was a while ago, I assume its got even better since. si -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
