Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:21, Rob Blomquist wrote: Any rpms to upload? Texstar has them... I'm using them... so far so very good. One problem with Konq but it's a bug with KDE. you will always get a horizontal scroll bar if you have a vertical one James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] setting up CVS server on mandrake9.1
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:35, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, I have CVS running on a Mandrake 9.1. Users can log in to CVS but when they try to import a module they receive an error; Cannot access /home/cvs//CVSROOT Permission denied. are the users in group cvs? If not they won't be able to use/access it. What permission variable must I change to fix this? Thank you in advance, jp __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:52, Miark wrote: Apparently so. When I loaded KDE today, the KDE bootsplash was a Penguin herding a group of Winblows icons--I must have urpmi'ed some Texstar 3.1.3 RPMs without realizing it. Miark Yep Texstart marked his spot! On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:21:51 -0700, Rob Blomquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any rpms to upload? -- Linux: For the people, by the people. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:21, Rob Blomquist wrote: Any rpms to upload? Texstar has them... I'm using them... so far so very good. One problem with Konq but it's a bug with KDE. you will always get a horizontal scroll bar if you have a vertical one James I'm not seeing that. Where are you seeing it? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:21, Rob Blomquist wrote: Any rpms to upload? Texstar has them... I'm using them... so far so very good. One problem with Konq but it's a bug with KDE. you will always get a horizontal scroll bar if you have a vertical one James Please disregard my previous email. I didn't see it in File Management mode. I do see it during web browsing. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:28 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 23:43 schrieb Brant Fitzsimmons: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. Bad reason under K-menu = applications = file tools or whatever it is called in english you can start konqueror in root-modus. The mandrake-tools can be accessed to from a normal login in various ways. There is no reason. to start X as root. Steffen Bad or not, it's still a reason. File Manager Super User Mode in kde gives exactly that. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 12:59 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: It's not really our place to shield them from the knowledge of how to do it. Logging into X as root is risky, and therefore not recommended. There are times, however, where it may be more convenient, and even more importantly, what the person wants to do. Should they be allowed to gain the knowledge to do what they want with their own computer? As long as it *their* computer *they* will have to take the responsibility of what they do with it. It is, however, our place to point out not only the dangers, but the alternatives. If a 'don't do it' reads as 'you're a stupid oaf' it's not helpful. Sometimes it's the 'really obvious' bit that's missing from the explanation, like the way to exit a root session on the cli, or the fact that FMSU gets round most problems in the easiest way. I suspect that part of the problem is that in later versions windows you have to log in as administrator to do anything serious, so the alternatives are a new mind-set. In the end, once all the risks and alternatives have been explored, it's then up to the user. It's his machine that is at risk, not ours. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:27 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:45, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. I do (4 disks to be exact 9 OS versions) and I use Lilo quiet well. Just like I said. I learned how to do all this long before Grub... I know it works and It works the same way every time. You want Grub... fine. It's your box. Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 13:24, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) It's his box... he want's to. That is all the reason in the world. If he wants to, fine. If someone else wants to tell him how, fine. I was merely trying to get him to examine his thinking, and perhaps come to the realization that he is taking risks of which he may not be aware by doing this, and that there are safer alternative ways to do what he wants done. That seems to me to be a worthwhile effort, and experience that is worth imparting to others whenever possible. I also take issue with the notion that this is Gatesian thinking; I never said he *couldn't* do it. What I tried to get across is that IMHO it is not a sound and justifiable systems administration practice to do so. I am fully aware that the details of how to accomplish it are readily available from a plethora of sources, and I was also fairly confident that someone else would come right along and provide them for him here. My concern was only that the inadvisability of it might not get brought up if I failed to mention it myself. So I did. I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Moreover, I don't see how you can test the configuration of these boxes without creating a user, because without having done so, all you've determined is that everything works properly as root - which essentially tells you nothing about whether or not what you have set up will work just as you expect it to when logged in as a user. I see this as the central fallacy of the I have to run X as root mode of thinking ... it seems to me to be far simpler, as well as far safer, to do one's configuring while logged in as a user (from a su-ed terminal session or a GUI tool that has been given root privileges, such as drakconf), so that one can easily and immediately test that configuration /as a user/. So it's not only a sounder practice, it's a quicker one as well. ;) Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. I also do a lot of repairs to boxes. I often login directly as root so that I can do repairs because I don't have a user on the box. I can understand that, but I don't see where the GUI needs to be involved. Drakconf will run just fine in a vtty, for example, as will programs like linuxconf (*ptui!* g), sndconfig, XFdrake, etc. etc.; many other common configuration and/or repair tools are CLI only, of course. How is running an X server as root (much less an entire DE) truly *necessary* here? And after all, it *is* just my $0.02USD. It's your machine. ;) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Space - I'm back
On Friday 01 August 2003 00:29, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:32, Anne Wilson wrote: [...] Thanks Bill. It's late now, and I'm shattered after today's fight with it. I'll try that tomorrow and let you know what happens. At least, having recovered once, I do feel a bit more confident. Anne Anne, just remember ... it can be done... and more important it can be done by you Yeah James - way to go - may the Force be with you Anne ;) Just remember - it make no difference where you move a partition's content under Linux. The only problem that could show up is with Lilo/Grub - but if you adapt fstab accordingly, and the directories exist - it works. If by mistake you delete the partition table - and had a printout of fdisk -l /dev/hdx for the start/end points - the last time it worked - you can recover the data without a problem. That's why I never do backups... I do as Linus said a long time ago: Backups are for cowards. Post it to the Internet - and the Net will back it up for you Did that loads of times already :) Cheers Joerg -- The farther you go, the less you know. -- Lao Tsu, Tao Te Ching | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alt1)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Alt2)| | Web: http://www.solsys.org: Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | PGP Fingerprint: AF0F FB75 997B 025F 4538 5AD6 9888 5D97 170B 8B7A Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Squished fonts on some web pages
A few web pages I point mozilla at (notably theregister.co.uk) have weird font problems. The text will look as though it's squished or compressed a bit. Highlighting the text makes it display correctly. I don't seem to have this problem with konqueror. I've tried upgrading mozilla to 1.4 using the texstar rpms, also tried the texstar freetype rpm (haven't tried the one from the PLF yet to be fair) and the bitstream vera fonts. I don't have this problem in Redhat 9. Anyone else had this happen/have a solution. It's harmless but annoying as heck. Thanks (yet) again folks. Jeremy Gregorio Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:21, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:27 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:45, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. I do (4 disks to be exact 9 OS versions) and I use Lilo quiet well. Just like I said. I learned how to do all this long before Grub... I know it works and It works the same way every time. You want Grub... fine. It's your box. Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? Anne Anne, If I sounded like I did that... I apologize. What I was originally responding to was that I didn't answer a question that included a grub solution.. because lilo has been embedded in my brain for so long I don't know Grub. For those who use it.. cool. I just don't because lilo so far does what I need. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 8:36 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) ??? I haven't met that one - and never miss a chance to be lazy Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Space - I'm back
Hi Stef, On Friday 01 August 2003 04:18, stefmit wrote: [...] I see that everybody insists in this cp -a issue. As I said in my previous emails, directed to Anne only: cp is NOT the best choice of doing this. I had problems in the past caused by hardlinks, I think even device files (when cloning a whole disk), etc. If you ever decide to recopy those, please try: # find directory_to_be_copied -depth -print | cpio -adpuvm /mnt/your_new_disk with minor variations (pruning undesired paths, before piping to cpio, or removing some of those options (at a minimum -puvd, though)). NOTE: Pruning would be necessary when cloning a whole disk (replacing directory_to_be_copied with /), for things like /mnt, /proc, ... I actually never had problems with cp -a - back at university when I had developped one of the first unattended installation/recovery/setup systems for the 120 Computers they had there - I hsed cpio/gzip over the net (with rsh). So - in this regard - you are right. However - I think it is time to have something like clone program for Linux - that will do it. Anybody here having enough C-Knowledge to do that ? I bet - it shouldn be hard at all - as all that is required to be done - is copy the content of partition a to partition b. James - I bet Mandrake could put this into the Sysadmin tools and offer the possibility to add a disk and automatically replace partition /dev/hda3 with /dev/hdb1 b.e. :) What 'daya' think ? Cheers Joerg -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alt1)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Alt2)| | Web: http://www.solsys.org: Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | PGP Fingerprint: AF0F FB75 997B 025F 4538 5AD6 9888 5D97 170B 8B7A Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:49, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 13:24, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) It's his box... he want's to. That is all the reason in the world. If he wants to, fine. If someone else wants to tell him how, fine. I was merely trying to get him to examine his thinking, and perhaps come to the realization that he is taking risks of which he may not be aware by doing this, and that there are safer alternative ways to do what he wants done. That seems to me to be a worthwhile effort, and experience that is worth imparting to others whenever possible. I also take issue with the notion that this is Gatesian thinking; I never said he *couldn't* do it. What I tried to get across is that IMHO it is not a sound and justifiable systems administration practice to do so. I am fully aware that the details of how to accomplish it are readily available from a plethora of sources, and I was also fairly confident that someone else would come right along and provide them for him here. My concern was only that the inadvisability of it might not get brought up if I failed to mention it myself. So I did. I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Trivial ... probably if you only do one box... not if you have to build install and test 20 30 or more boxes at the same time. (thank god for PXE) Moreover, I don't see how you can test the configuration of these boxes without creating a user, because without having done so, all you've determined is that everything works properly as root - which essentially tells you nothing about whether or not what you have set up will work just as you expect it to when logged in as a user. I see this as the central fallacy of the I have to run X as root mode of thinking ... it seems to me to be far simpler, as well as far safer, to do one's configuring while logged in as a user (from a su-ed terminal session or a GUI tool that has been given root privileges, such as drakconf), so that one can easily and immediately test that configuration /as a user/. So it's not only a sounder practice, it's a quicker one as well. ;) Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, You forget one rule of thumb here... gui's lie. They tell you you can only do say 5 things. When in fact from the command line editing code and config files you could do a lot more. and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, One of the big reasons it does I'm told is so that users can run root programs without doing the even more dangerous xhost + localhost you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. Wanna bet... 2 days ago I helped someone recover because he'd learned rm * (btw it was RH where the default isn't aliased to -i )... and did it in the wrong directory. (he'd meant to do rm core* but forgot the core) Now tell me... is there a gui equivilent to that? In a gui he would have gone to a file manager selected the core dumps and pressed delete. One reason for starting people with a gui over command line. It's easier to see where you are and what you are doing. It's much harder to do the rm * equivalent in a gui. In fact gui's often have more failsafes than the command line. What is the diff between
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Hi Brant, please try to read somthing about the philosophy on Unix type systems. Root can destroy anything on your system. Also - if everyone would use it's Unix system as user Root - the Virus Problems Microsoft Systems do have - would also exist under Unix. Another reason not to do things as root - is to protect the user from killing himself (virtually speaking). So - using a System as User - makes sens. I someone knows a System well enough to work as root under X - then _he_ knows how to enable it - thus this wouldn't be a problem. If a User does not figure out how to enable root Login - then he's IMHO not ready for login as Root into X. Just my 2 cents Joerg On Thursday 31 July 2003 23:43, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. -- Whenever a system becomes completely defined, some damn fool discovers something which either abolishes the system or expands it beyond recognition. | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alt1)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Alt2)| | Web: http://www.solsys.org: Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | PGP Fingerprint: AF0F FB75 997B 025F 4538 5AD6 9888 5D97 170B 8B7A Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Space - I'm back
Joerg Mertin wrote: Just remember - it make no difference where you move a partition's content under Linux. The only problem that could show up is with Lilo/Grub - but if you adapt fstab accordingly, and the directories exist - it works. If by mistake you delete the partition table - and had a printout of fdisk -l /dev/hdx for the start/end points - the last time it worked - you can recover the data without a problem. That's why I never do backups... I do as Linus said a long time ago: Backups are for cowards. Post it to the Internet - and the Net will back it up for you A word of warning here ... Any procedure that changes the start or end sector of a bootable partition will render the partition unbootable. So you must firstly have a floppy boot (mkbootdisk) for that partition and kernel version.After moving the partition on the same drive do a boot from this floppy and rerun lilo or grub to fix it Any action that causes a bootable partition to be renumbered will render the partition unbootable. The only fix is to add dummy partitions or remove or shift partitions so that the original partition number is restored. Any action that causes a bootable partition to be shifted to another drive will render the new partition unbootable. Copy the partition, don't move it! You must have a floppy boot (mkbootdisk) for the new partition and kernel version.This is not easy to create - use chroot mkbootdisk from the original working Linux partition. Do a boot from this floppy and rerun lilo or grub to fix it. Only now may the original partition be deleted. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:49 am, Felix Miata wholly or partly mentioned :- Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. Unless you edit /etc/inittab and runlevel to id:3:initdefault: then at the login :- root and password and then startx? Does that help? Charlie. -- Life, we learn too late, is in the living, in the tissue of every day and hour. Stephen Leacock This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 07:45 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell? Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy. Bill said the same thing and look what we got winders. No it's like with my little guy. Sometimes I have to let him fall down.. so that he can learn to get up on his own again. If the user knows root. They can do the same damage no matter how they get to it. period. Tell them If you do this you can hose your box. and walk away. If you don't want to help them in the first place... don't offer. In for a penny in for a pound. Just don't ever tell me what I can or cannot do with my computer. Rules I remember. 1. If I offer to help and you say yes I don't get to complain about helping you. 2. Stupidity in users is a 1 to 1 relationship with how far to the edge of my knowledge they push me. 3. The person you are helping isn't that stupid... they got you to do it for free didn't they. 4. Don't do it for them, tell them how to do it themselves, then when they break it, show them how to get out of it. They will never ask you again to do something like this because they will either know how, or be so lazy they don't want to go through doing it themselves again. 5. Whenever you idiot proof something the number one idiot you expose is usually yourself. 6. If that idiot was so stupid he/she wouldn't have gotten around your magnificent idiot proofing in the first place. 7. Never argue with a man carrying dynamite and a lit cigarette ... All the no smoking signs in the world won't stop him from blowing himself up. Run instead, and hope he doesn't follow. james Yay, Hooray, Clap Clap, Cheer, Whistle, Shout. Glad to see some good sense instead of another Microsoftisim. -- Ken Thompson -- WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 9:44 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:21, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:27 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:45, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. I do (4 disks to be exact 9 OS versions) and I use Lilo quiet well. Just like I said. I learned how to do all this long before Grub... I know it works and It works the same way every time. You want Grub... fine. It's your box. Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? Anne Anne, If I sounded like I did that... I apologize. What I was originally responding to was that I didn't answer a question that included a grub solution.. because lilo has been embedded in my brain for so long I don't know Grub. For those who use it.. cool. I just don't because lilo so far does what I need. It wasn't meant as an attack on you, James. Just that 'WhateverItIs rocks' is often offered as a suggestion that if you use something else you're an idiot. I know this was not your intention, but between the 2 lists I've seen a lot of it lately. As for lilo and grub - I've never even tried grub, since lilo works fine for me. Cheers, James Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Is the best phrase that I read in the list so far. Very Good Anne! El Vie 01 Ago 2003 04:21, Anne Wilson escribió: Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? -- Obed Liberty Software Libre al desktop http://obed.com.ar - Baje el manual para el nuevo usuario de GNU/Linux de http://www.obed.com.ar/doc/ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] urpmi: weird behaviour
When I use urpmi, the cd start to sound, it's very strange, Do somebody know why? -- Obed Liberty Software Libre al desktop http://obed.com.ar - Baje el manual para el nuevo usuario de GNU/Linux de http://www.obed.com.ar/doc/ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Space - I'm back
El Vie 01 Ago 2003 04:49, Joerg Mertin escribió: However - I think it is time to have something like clone program for Linux - that will do it. The software exists, Mondo Rescue, it's a great tool, but the lastest version are a little buggy. But, it woul be great if Mondo is optimized for Mandrake, or Mandrake develop a new cloning tool. -- Obed Liberty Software Libre al desktop http://obed.com.ar - Baje el manual para el nuevo usuario de GNU/Linux de http://www.obed.com.ar/doc/ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 09:27 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 08:52 pm, Miark wrote: Apparently so. When I loaded KDE today, the KDE bootsplash was a Penguin herding a group of Winblows icons--I must have urpmi'ed some Texstar 3.1.3 RPMs without realizing it. Interesting, I can't find KDE 3.1.3 on Texstar's site yet. They only have 3.1.2. I ran the update for urpmi, and voila! KDE 3.1.3! Thanks, all. -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Shorewall DNAT advice / help
Hiya, I want to be able to run some software on my workstation that requires users to connect to port 9000. This read as a pretty simple task, but has gotten more and more complicatd that finally, I am looking for help (not for the first time and I am sure it wont be the last) I was sure that shorewall used masq for the LAN, but It also read with "loc" so i added both, didnt get a error and hav tryed with both there and both not there, to no avail. Any advice would be apreciated. DNAT net masq:192.168.1.253:9000 tcp 9000DNAT net masq:192.168.1.253:9000 udp 9000DNAT net loc:192.168.1.253:9000 tcp 9000DNAT net loc:192.168.1.253:9000 udp 9000
Re: [expert] Making Space - I'm back
On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 10:14 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: /etc/fstab: [snip] /dev/hde10 /holding ext3 user,defaults 1 2 [snip] Yup. Get rid of that user, option. Unmount and remount (as root). Then: rm -fR /holding/* cp -a /usr/* /holding/ That should give better results. Right, Bill. I'm going to give this a try. Is there any way I will know if it really is better before I hose up my system againg ? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi: weird behaviour
Am Freitag, 1. August 2003 16:22 schrieb Sergio Javier Belkin: When I use urpmi, the cd start to sound, it's very strange, Do somebody know why? Its a bug in urpmi. I think it should be fixed in the urpmi update, but I may be false here. Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Dumbell question on urpmi
I feel like a fool, but how do you update the urpmi database?? -- Ken Thompson -- WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Making Mandrake RPM's
Hi, I had a post here few days ago about RPM agonyand was educated that it was because i was not using Manrake specs but rather Redhat. Now, I am in dare need to make proftpd-1.2.8 rpms for mandrake. The current available rpm, 1.2.5 does not have large file support. It started support large files in version 1.2.6 http://freshmeat.net/releases/89605/ If procedure is not rpm -tb proftpd-1.2.8.tar.gz, then how else is it to use Mandrake specs? _Thanks in advance. Richard = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dumbell question on urpmi
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 09:15, Ken Thompson wrote: I feel like a fool, but how do you update the urpmi database?? urpmi.update -a -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Mandrake RPM's
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 08:57, Tru64 User wrote: Hi, I had a post here few days ago about RPM agonyand was educated that it was because i was not using Manrake specs but rather Redhat. Now, I am in dare need to make proftpd-1.2.8 rpms for mandrake. The current available rpm, 1.2.5 does not have large file support. It started support large files in version 1.2.6 http://freshmeat.net/releases/89605/ If procedure is not rpm -tb proftpd-1.2.8.tar.gz, then how else is it to use Mandrake specs? _Thanks in advance. Richard First place to start is the Mandrake RPM howto... http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/howtos/mdk-rpm/ -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Mandrake RPM's
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:57, Tru64 User wrote: Hi, I had a post here few days ago about RPM agonyand was educated that it was because i was not using Manrake specs but rather Redhat. Now, I am in dare need to make proftpd-1.2.8 rpms for mandrake. The current available rpm, 1.2.5 does not have large file support. It started support large files in version 1.2.6 I always do this to create new RPMS: Extract the old.tar.gz and new.tar.gz to directories. Create a diff patch between the new and old. Put this patch into the SOURCE directory and add a corresponding patch line in the spec file. Rebuild. The advantage of this method is that you rarely have to touch the original tarball and instead just patch away. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Mandrake RPM's
thnx. R. --- Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 08:57, Tru64 User wrote: Hi, I had a post here few days ago about RPM agonyand was educated that it was because i was not using Manrake specs but rather Redhat. Now, I am in dare need to make proftpd-1.2.8 rpms for mandrake. The current available rpm, 1.2.5 does not have large file support. It started support large files in version 1.2.6 http://freshmeat.net/releases/89605/ If procedure is not rpm -tb proftpd-1.2.8.tar.gz, then how else is it to use Mandrake specs? _Thanks in advance. Richard First place to start is the Mandrake RPM howto... http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/howtos/mdk-rpm/ -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dumbell question on urpmi
urpmi.update (?) Richard --- Ken Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel like a fool, but how do you update the urpmi database?? -- Ken Thompson -- WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] where is ssl-error_log ?
I am struggling in having an Apache virtual host defined to support SSL. I have seen, though, that in the ssl/sss.default_vhost.conf file, the error log for the SSL connection is defined to be logs/ssl-error_log. Actually, in the /var/log/httpd directory I can only see a ssl_error_log file (underscore instead of dash). This file does not contain any error that I could use to debug what I am doing (i.e. if I use https://webmail.myname.myext). But, eah time apachectl is restated, there are TWO lines telling me that the certificate for localhost.L1HQJg does NOT match server name!? Ok, so, it seems that the ssl_error_log file is accessed at least at startup. My system only accepts https://localhost/ and, in this case, I can clearly see the famous certificate for localhost.L1HQJg. So, I am confused: 1. why the ssl logs are written to the wrong file 2. why in this wrong file I always get two lines of warning at startup ? Now, in addition to this, I wanted to create an SSL virtual host for a new server, called webmail.poglianis.net. For this: 1. I have created a server.key and a server.crt in a new directory for a server named webmail.poglianis.net I have duplicated the _default_:443 vhost directives (in ssl.default_vhost.conf) for my server 192.168.0.2:443 with ServerName=webmail.poglianis.net (I changed the location of crt and key files) 2. Now, any time I type https://webmail.poglianis.net, I get a box telling me that the connection with webmail.poglianis.net has terminated unexpectedly. Some data may have been transferred. But actually I do not see my web page. 3. And, in the standard error_log file (NOT the ssl_error_log NOR the unexistent ssl-error_log) I see the line Invalid method in request g^A^C 4. In the standared access_log file (again, NOT the ssl_access_log NOR the expected ssl-access_log) I see the line: scarlet.poglianis.net - - [01/Aug/2003:18:35:34 +0200] \x80g\x01\x03 501 408 - - Could someone pls help me in understanding what I am doing wrong? Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards /stefano Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X as Root
charlie wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:49 am, Felix Miata wholly or partly mentioned :- Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. Unless you edit /etc/inittab and runlevel to id:3:initdefault: then at the login :- root and password and then startx? Does that help? Probably would have if I hadn't first found another workaround. I'm not in the habit of using startx from any login. I don't like the disjunction from logging in on tty[1-6] and having autoswitch to tty7. When I want X to start or stop, I do telinit 5 or telinit 3, then login on tty7. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Root/SU Exit
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 01 Aug 2003 8:36 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) ??? I haven't met that one - and never miss a chance to be lazy This is the old fashioned way, something I learned in 1973. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Space - I'm back
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 10:14 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: /etc/fstab: [snip] /dev/hde10 /holding ext3 user,defaults 1 2 [snip] Yup. Get rid of that user, option. Unmount and remount (as root). Then: rm -fR /holding/* cp -a /usr/* /holding/ That should give better results. Right, Bill. I'm going to give this a try. Is there any way I will know if it really is better before I hose up my system againg ? Sure, you mount it over the old one (as per Jack's instructions), and try an app or three - you don't even need to run the telinit 5 testing step until you're satisfied that the basic CLI apps work; I'd suggest something like cdrecord -scanbus or iptraf or traceroute, pretty much anything that lives somewhere in /usr ... if that works, then proceed to the full telinit 5 test. If anything fails, unmount it. If you find any odd size discrepancies like you were seeing before, then before you mount it as /usr (IOW, while it's still mounted as /holding), check the md5sums of both the originals and the copies of a few such files, and compare them. If they match, then the files are identical, no matter what ls is telling you. We can tackle that later; just don't delete those original /usr files until everything is completely kosher. :) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] setting up CVS server on mandrake9.1
An ls displays the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# ls -la home/cvs total 3 drwx--3 500 cvs72 Jul 31 16:11 ./ drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 216 Jul 31 09:17 ../ drwxrwxrwx3 root cvs 1112 Jul 31 17:15 CVSROOT/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /] cvs is a group I created with users associated with it, including user 'root'. Thank you, jp -Original Message- From: James Sparenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:23 PM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] setting up CVS server on mandrake9.1 On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:35, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, I have CVS running on a Mandrake 9.1. Users can log in to CVS but when they try to import a module they receive an error; Cannot access /home/cvs//CVSROOT Permission denied. are the users in group cvs? If not they won't be able to use/access it. What permission variable must I change to fix this? Thank you in advance, jp __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X as Root
Bill Mullen wrote: If he wants to, fine. If someone else wants to tell him how, fine. I was merely trying to get him to examine his thinking, and perhaps come to the realization that he is taking risks of which he may not be aware by doing this, and that there are safer alternative ways to do what he wants done. That seems to me to be a worthwhile effort, and experience that is worth imparting to others whenever possible. Since the he in this thread was me, I must point out I've had far more reminders on this subject than I need. Since two or four or more mdk versions ago, a root X login produces a red desktop and a message inviting you to log out and not run X as root. Between that and repeated reminders in list threads I've seen the warning more than necessary already. I'm going to do it when it best suits my purposes and that's that. If it takes eliminating all users except root to do it, I'll do that too. I do most of my root work in a console, and rarely do X as root except right after a new install, mainly for the convenience of the GUI config tools when I can't figure out or remember how to do them at console. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Root/SU Exit
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 5:49 pm, Felix Miata wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 01 Aug 2003 8:36 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) ??? I haven't met that one - and never miss a chance to be lazy This is the old fashioned way, something I learned in 1973. Hmmm - I suppose the 'd' stood for something? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X as Root
James Sparenberg wrote: Wanna bet... 2 days ago I helped someone recover because he'd learned rm * (btw it was RH where the default isn't aliased to -i )... and did it in the wrong directory. (he'd meant to do rm core* but forgot the core) Now tell me... is there a gui equivilent to that? In a gui he would have gone to a file manager selected the core dumps and pressed delete. One reason for starting people with a gui over command line. It's easier to see where you are and what you are doing. It's much harder to do the rm * equivalent in a gui. In fact gui's often have more failsafes than the command line. What is the diff between logging in as root and running MCC or su'ing to root and running it? Nada. Enter OFM's, in the case of Linux, mc. Mc should be installed by default, but in mdk, no longer is, and one reason I never can skip detailed package selection during an install. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Errant behaviour in PCMCIA service
Hi all. I have a strange issue when starting pcmcia and have been unable to pinpoint the problem (my system is MDK 9.1 - 2.4.21-0.13): When I type service pcmcia start (or restart), the script restarts itself repeatedly for about 3 to 4 minutes (it slows down a lot once the system fills up with hundreds of duplicated processes), and the terminal fills up with: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: etc. (sometimes at this point there is an error about too many files.) Then, for another 3 to 4 minutes I get this: insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists modprobe: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists modprobe: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists modprobe: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists etc. After it stops I can insert my wireless NIC and it works fine. If I set pcmcia to start on boot, it seems to take less time to go through the above, but it still takes about 4 minutes longer to boot than without pcmcia. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling pcmcia-cs. Any ideas? Thanks. -- Peter Pankonin, digitalcrucible Registered Linux User 246938 There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LILO v GrUB
Anne Wilson wrote: As for lilo and grub - I've never even tried grub, since lilo works fine for me. I use GrUB because of its simplicity. Configuring means simply editing a text file. Nothing to run afterwards. This makes chroot on rescue boots unnecessary, which makes explaining rescue over the phone or email much easier. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] setting up CVS server on mandrake9.1
An ls displays the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# ls -la home/cvs total 3 drwx--3 500 cvs72 Jul 31 16:11 ./ drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 216 Jul 31 09:17 ../ drwxrwxrwx3 root cvs 1112 Jul 31 17:15 CVSROOT/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /] cvs is a group I created with users associated with it, including user 'root'. Thank you, jp -Original Message- From: James Sparenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:23 PM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] setting up CVS server on mandrake9.1 On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:35, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, I have CVS running on a Mandrake 9.1. Users can log in to CVS but when they try to import a module they receive an error; Cannot access /home/cvs//CVSROOT Permission denied. are the users in group cvs? If not they won't be able to use/access it. What permission variable must I change to fix this? Thank you in advance, jp __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Root/SU Exit
On August 1, 2003 11:29 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Hmmm - I suppose the 'd' stood for something? disconnect? -- Peter Pankonin, digitalcrucible Registered Linux User 246938 There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:49, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Trivial ... probably if you only do one box... not if you have to build install and test 20 30 or more boxes at the same time. (thank god for PXE) Yes, trivial. Run userdel -r username. Boom! Done. Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, You forget one rule of thumb here... gui's lie. They tell you you can only do say 5 things. When in fact from the command line editing code and config files you could do a lot more. I'll remind you here that *any* program, including every single GUI one, can be run as root from within a user login - there is still no need for the entire /desktop/ to be running as root. And if you're setting up a lot of boxes and not using things like tarballs of your own pre-tweaked config files, and a few simple scripts to automate the process wherever possible (and to simultaneously limit the error potential therein), then you're making much more work (and risk) for yourself than need be, IMHO. and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, One of the big reasons it does I'm told is so that users can run root programs without doing the even more dangerous xhost + localhost I have *never* had to do this on a Mandrake box, and neither have you; you may have done it, but you didn't have to. Try one without it and see. ;) you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. Wanna bet... 2 days ago I helped someone recover because he'd learned rm * (btw it was RH where the default isn't aliased to -i )... and did it in the wrong directory. (he'd meant to do rm core* but forgot the core) Now tell me... is there a gui equivilent to that? Sure. It's even in the menus for every user - File Manager - Super User Mode. You don't even have to open a terminal, for gosh sakes! If RedHat doesn't have something like it, well, that's /their/ problem, eh? :) In a gui he would have gone to a file manager selected the core dumps and pressed delete. One reason for starting people with a gui over command line. It's easier to see where you are and what you are doing. It's much harder to do the rm * equivalent in a gui. In fact gui's often have more failsafes than the command line. Again I'll remind you that I'm not saying that there is one single thing wrong with running any GUI configuration app as root within a *user's* X environment. My sole argument is that you don't have to run the whole darn desktop as root to do it! If you need to use drakconf to configure Apache, then obviously drakconf must be run as root; if you need to *test* Apache with a browser during that process, why on Earth does that browser also need to be run as root? It doesn't, plain and simple. What is the diff between logging in as root and running MCC or su'ing to root and running it? Nada. With all due respect, I disagree completely with this, James. The glaring difference is that in the former case, *everything* is running as root - X, the window manager, the DE, the panel, every single app, the whole nine yards; in the latter, the specific app that is so invoked is the *only* thing on that user's desktop with root privileges. It's plain as day to me that the latter scenario is far less likely to permit inadvertent results, if only because a /very/ small subset of the full panoply of one's running programs is in any position to cause them in the first place! Again we come back to the *nix truism, Only do as root that which *must* be done as root. The stricter you apply that philosophy, the less likely you are to wreak havoc on your system. That's all I'm trying to convey in this discussion - fundamentally sound and time-tested sysadmin practices. And I'm not telling people what they can and can't do with their system, as has been alleged by some others in this thread - I'm offering the very best advice I can in a specific area, and I wish people would take it in the spirit in which it is
Re: [expert] Making Mandrake RPM's
Am Freitag, 1. August 2003 17:57 schrieb Tru64 User: Hi, I had a post here few days ago about RPM agonyand was educated that it was because i was not using Manrake specs but rather Redhat. Now, I am in dare need to make proftpd-1.2.8 rpms for mandrake. The current available rpm, 1.2.5 does not have large file support. It started support large files in version 1.2.6 http://freshmeat.net/releases/89605/ If procedure is not rpm -tb proftpd-1.2.8.tar.gz, then how else is it to use Mandrake specs? The RPM Howto was posted allready. The normal way would be to take the spec out from the old Mandrake Source-RPM( by rpm -i for the package) or Mandrake-cvs change it to your needs, and rebuild. In this case this should not be needed. Have you tried to rebuild the Cooker RPM ? Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LILO v GrUB
Felix Miata wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: As for lilo and grub - I've never even tried grub, since lilo works fine for me. I use GrUB because of its simplicity. Configuring means simply editing a text file. Nothing to run afterwards. This makes chroot on rescue boots unnecessary, which makes explaining rescue over the phone or email much easier. Another capability of grub that, afaik, does not come with lilo is command line completion from the grub prompt, allowing you to suss out partitions, kernels, etc. on a completely unknown system and boot from a grub floppy, e.g: grub root (hd [Tab] Possible disks are: hd0 hd1 hd2 hd3 grub root (hd3, [Tab] Possible partitions are: Partition num: 0, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Partition num: 4, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Partition num: 5, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Partition num: 6, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Partition num: 7, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Partition num: 8, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Partition num: 9, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Partition num: 10, Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 grub root (hd3,7) [Enter] Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 grub kernel (hd3,7)/boot/ [Tab] Possible files are: map initrd-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk.img grub memtest-3.0.bin System.map-2.4 .21-0.17mdkcustom kernel.h-2.4.21-0.17mdk config-2.4.21-0.17mdk message-graphic System.ma p vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.17mdk message System.map-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk kernel.h-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk config initrd.img System.map-2.4.21-0.17mdk vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk vmlinuz.old us.klt kernel.h-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom config-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk vmlin uz message-text initrd-2.4.21-0.17mdk.img initrd-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom.img kernel.h boot.2 208 config-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom grub kernel (hd3,7)/boot/vmlinuz [Enter] [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x134a74] grub initrd (hd3,7)/boot/ [Tab] Possible files are: map initrd-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk.img grub memtest-3.0.bin System.map-2.4 .21-0.17mdkcustom kernel.h-2.4.21-0.17mdk config-2.4.21-0.17mdk message-graphic System.ma p vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.17mdk message System.map-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk kernel.h-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk config initrd.img System.map-2.4.21-0.17mdk vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk vmlinuz.old us.klt kernel.h-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom config-2.4.21-0.18mm-mdk vmlin uz message-text initrd-2.4.21-0.17mdk.img initrd-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom.img kernel.h boot.2 208 config-2.4.21-0.17mdkcustom grub initrd (hd3,7)/boot/initrd.img [Enter] [Linux-initrd @ 0x3bc000, 0x338cb bytes] grub You can add kernel commands and boot with boot. Not a common need but still neat. More commonly useful is the capability to edit from the menu screen, which I have used when a partition change or unusable kernel left the system unbootable from the old menu. Tom Berger wrote a page about grub's capabilities here: http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/install/iboot2.html Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dumbell question on urpmi
On Friday 01 August 2003 10:36 am, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 09:15, Ken Thompson wrote: I feel like a fool, but how do you update the urpmi database?? urpmi.update -a Thanks Jack and Tru64 User. -- Ken Thompson -- WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] setting up CVS server on mandrake9.1
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 13:17, James D. Parra wrote: An ls displays the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# ls -la home/cvs total 3 drwx--3 500 cvs72 Jul 31 16:11 ./ drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 216 Jul 31 09:17 ../ drwxrwxrwx3 root cvs 1112 Jul 31 17:15 CVSROOT/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /] cvs is a group I created with users associated with it, including user 'root'. You also need group r/w access in the containing directory. SO, chgrp -R cvs the repository itself. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Mandrake RPM's
Mmmh..This list never fails to amaze with new tricks.gotta try them out first R. --- Kwan Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:57, Tru64 User wrote: Hi, I had a post here few days ago about RPM agonyand was educated that it was because i was not using Manrake specs but rather Redhat. Now, I am in dare need to make proftpd-1.2.8 rpms for mandrake. The current available rpm, 1.2.5 does not have large file support. It started support large files in version 1.2.6 I always do this to create new RPMS: Extract the old.tar.gz and new.tar.gz to directories. Create a diff patch between the new and old. Put this patch into the SOURCE directory and add a corresponding patch line in the spec file. Rebuild. The advantage of this method is that you rarely have to touch the original tarball and instead just patch away. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MySQL update, and restarting problem.....
Hi all. This is on a Mandrake 9.0 system. I just updated MySQL to 3.23.56 and now when I try to restart the mysql server I get this message: Starting MySQL ServerYou are required to change your password immediately (password aged) Changing password for mysql (current) UNIX password: Even though I type in the correct password it says: su: incorrect password I can start the server with this method: /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables and change the password with no problems but when i go to restart mysql normaly i get the same message? Any help would be great. Ralph Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 10:18, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:49, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Trivial ... probably if you only do one box... not if you have to build install and test 20 30 or more boxes at the same time. (thank god for PXE) Yes, trivial. Run userdel -r username. Boom! Done. Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, You forget one rule of thumb here... gui's lie. They tell you you can only do say 5 things. When in fact from the command line editing code and config files you could do a lot more. I'll remind you here that *any* program, including every single GUI one, can be run as root from within a user login - there is still no need for the entire /desktop/ to be running as root. And if you're setting up a lot of boxes and not using things like tarballs of your own pre-tweaked config files, and a few simple scripts to automate the process wherever possible (and to simultaneously limit the error potential therein), then you're making much more work (and risk) for yourself than need be, IMHO. and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, One of the big reasons it does I'm told is so that users can run root programs without doing the even more dangerous xhost + localhost Because it runs as root. does even on my 7.2 box. On SuSE and others this doesn't necessarily work. Not to mention the fact that you also have to do su - or change your path on a number of them to access /usr/sbin. or /sbin. I have *never* had to do this on a Mandrake box, and neither have you; you may have done it, but you didn't have to. Try one without it and see. ;) you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. Wanna bet... 2 days ago I helped someone recover because he'd learned rm * (btw it was RH where the default isn't aliased to -i )... and did it in the wrong directory. (he'd meant to do rm core* but forgot the core) Now tell me... is there a gui equivilent to that? Sure. It's even in the menus for every user - File Manager - Super User Mode. You don't even have to open a terminal, for gosh sakes! If RedHat doesn't have something like it, well, that's /their/ problem, eh? :) In a gui he would have gone to a file manager selected the core dumps and pressed delete. One reason for starting people with a gui over command line. It's easier to see where you are and what you are doing. It's much harder to do the rm * equivalent in a gui. In fact gui's often have more failsafes than the command line. Again I'll remind you that I'm not saying that there is one single thing wrong with running any GUI configuration app as root within a *user's* X environment. My sole argument is that you don't have to run the whole darn desktop as root to do it! If you need to use drakconf to configure Apache, then obviously drakconf must be run as root; if you need to *test* Apache with a browser during that process, why on Earth does that browser also need to be run as root? It doesn't, plain and simple. What is the diff between logging in as root and running MCC or su'ing to root and running it? Nada. With all due respect, I disagree completely with this, James. The glaring difference is that in the former case, *everything* is running as root - X, the window manager, the DE, the panel, every single app, the whole nine yards; in the latter, the specific app that is so invoked is the *only* thing on that user's desktop with root privileges. It's plain as day to me that the latter scenario is far less likely to permit inadvertent results, if only because a /very/ small subset of the full panoply of one's running programs is in any position to cause them in the first place! Again we come back to the *nix truism, Only do as root that which *must* be done as root. The stricter you apply that philosophy, the less likely you are to wreak havoc on your
Re: [expert] Root/SU Exit
Peter Pankonin wrote: On August 1, 2003 11:29 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Hmmm - I suppose the 'd' stood for something? disconnect? I think so, but thirty years was a long time ago. ;-) -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X as Root
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 09:47, Felix Miata wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: If he wants to, fine. If someone else wants to tell him how, fine. I was merely trying to get him to examine his thinking, and perhaps come to the realization that he is taking risks of which he may not be aware by doing this, and that there are safer alternative ways to do what he wants done. That seems to me to be a worthwhile effort, and experience that is worth imparting to others whenever possible. Since the he in this thread was me, I must point out I've had far more reminders on this subject than I need. Since two or four or more mdk versions ago, a root X login produces a red desktop and a message inviting you to log out and not run X as root. Between that and repeated reminders in list threads I've seen the warning more than necessary already. I'm going to do it when it best suits my purposes and that's that. If it takes eliminating all users except root to do it, I'll do that too. And all I am saying is that you should be able to. Please.. I'm not directing anything at you per se. Oh and BTW had one today. Someone asked why when they logged into MDK as root the screen went grey. Turns out this guy (as many are) was red/green color blind. So much for the warning *grin*. I do most of my root work in a console, and rarely do X as root except right after a new install, mainly for the convenience of the GUI config tools when I can't figure out or remember how to do them at console. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LILO v GrUB
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 10:03, Felix Miata wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: As for lilo and grub - I've never even tried grub, since lilo works fine for me. I use GrUB because of its simplicity. Configuring means simply editing a text file. Nothing to run afterwards. This makes chroot on rescue boots unnecessary, which makes explaining rescue over the phone or email much easier. Now that is the first real reason I've heard for the grub advantage (the chroot part.) hm. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 05:49, Ken Thompson wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 07:45 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell? Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy. Bill said the same thing and look what we got winders. No it's like with my little guy. Sometimes I have to let him fall down.. so that he can learn to get up on his own again. If the user knows root. They can do the same damage no matter how they get to it. period. Tell them If you do this you can hose your box. and walk away. If you don't want to help them in the first place... don't offer. In for a penny in for a pound. Just don't ever tell me what I can or cannot do with my computer. Rules I remember. 1. If I offer to help and you say yes I don't get to complain about helping you. 2. Stupidity in users is a 1 to 1 relationship with how far to the edge of my knowledge they push me. 3. The person you are helping isn't that stupid... they got you to do it for free didn't they. 4. Don't do it for them, tell them how to do it themselves, then when they break it, show them how to get out of it. They will never ask you again to do something like this because they will either know how, or be so lazy they don't want to go through doing it themselves again. 5. Whenever you idiot proof something the number one idiot you expose is usually yourself. 6. If that idiot was so stupid he/she wouldn't have gotten around your magnificent idiot proofing in the first place. 7. Never argue with a man carrying dynamite and a lit cigarette ... All the no smoking signs in the world won't stop him from blowing himself up. Run instead, and hope he doesn't follow. james Yay, Hooray, Clap Clap, Cheer, Whistle, Shout. Glad to see some good sense instead of another Microsoftisim. Thank you kindly good sir. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 07:36, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 09:27 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 08:52 pm, Miark wrote: Apparently so. When I loaded KDE today, the KDE bootsplash was a Penguin herding a group of Winblows icons--I must have urpmi'ed some Texstar 3.1.3 RPMs without realizing it. Interesting, I can't find KDE 3.1.3 on Texstar's site yet. They only have 3.1.2. I ran the update for urpmi, and voila! KDE 3.1.3! Enjoy Tux on a Chameleon. *grin* Thanks, all. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MySQL update, and restarting problem.....
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Ralph Crongeyer wrote: Hi all. This is on a Mandrake 9.0 system. I just updated MySQL to 3.23.56 and now when I try to restart the mysql server I get this message: Starting MySQL ServerYou are required to change your password immediately (password aged) Changing password for mysql (current) UNIX password: Even though I type in the correct password it says: su: incorrect password I can start the server with this method: /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables and change the password with no problems but when i go to restart mysql normaly i get the same message? Any help would be great. Ralph Ralph, Don't know why it is doing this. But are you able to use Webmin to change the password for the root user and have it stick? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Squished fonts on some web pages
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 23:02, Jeremy Gregorio wrote: A few web pages I point mozilla at (notably theregister.co.uk) have weird font problems. The text will look as though it's squished or compressed a bit. Highlighting the text makes it display correctly. I don't seem to have this problem with konqueror. I've tried upgrading mozilla to 1.4 using the texstar rpms, also tried the texstar freetype rpm (haven't tried the one from the PLF yet to be fair) and the bitstream vera fonts. I don't have this problem in Redhat 9. Anyone else had this happen/have a solution. It's harmless but annoying as heck. Thanks (yet) again folks. Jeremy Gregorio Jeremy IMHO there is something funky in the Sans font on MDK. I switched my fonts in preferences and the problem went away. Oh yeah I also set a minimum font size of 11px. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Root/SU Exit
David Guntner wrote: Anne Wilson grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Friday 01 Aug 2003 5:49 pm, Felix Miata wrote: This is the old fashioned way, something I learned in 1973. Hmmm - I suppose the 'd' stood for something? Nope. Control-D is simply used as an end-of-file indicator. If you EOF a *lot* of different program inputs, it will end that program (or at least, end it from looking for further input :). In the case of a shell prompt, it's *only* looking for input from you, so if you EOF it, it assums that you're done and closes. I think Ctrl-D was selected 30+ years ago to mean EOF as a keyboard mnemonic to D for disconnect (teletype/modem/EOT), as opposed to E or Z for end or S for stop or Q for quit. M$-DOS (much younger than *nix) does use Ctrl-Z/F6 to mean EOF. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Space - I'm back
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:49, Joerg Mertin wrote: Hi Stef, On Friday 01 August 2003 04:18, stefmit wrote: [...] I see that everybody insists in this cp -a issue. As I said in my previous emails, directed to Anne only: cp is NOT the best choice of doing this. I had problems in the past caused by hardlinks, I think even device files (when cloning a whole disk), etc. If you ever decide to recopy those, please try: # find directory_to_be_copied -depth -print | cpio -adpuvm /mnt/your_new_disk with minor variations (pruning undesired paths, before piping to cpio, or removing some of those options (at a minimum -puvd, though)). NOTE: Pruning would be necessary when cloning a whole disk (replacing directory_to_be_copied with /), for things like /mnt, /proc, ... I actually never had problems with cp -a - back at university when I had developped one of the first unattended installation/recovery/setup systems for the 120 Computers they had there - I hsed cpio/gzip over the net (with rsh). So - in this regard - you are right. However - I think it is time to have something like clone program for Linux - that will do it. I've used partimage for just this... One downside. It creates images that are the same size as the original partition. So it operates on MB not on %. What would be nice is if there was a way to resize a file image not just a file system. (ie pull the image to a holding area resize the image, put it on the new drive with the newer larger/smaller size.) Years ago a guy at our then office wrote a program that did disk to disk copy and did it by percentage So that say on a 100mb drive / was 50% of a drive or 50MB, on a new 200mb drive / would become 50% of the new drive or 100MB. I've been trying for the last year to convince him to port it to Linux (from FreeBSD) but ... to no avail (so far). James Anybody here having enough C-Knowledge to do that ? I bet - it shouldn be hard at all - as all that is required to be done - is copy the content of partition a to partition b. James - I bet Mandrake could put this into the Sysadmin tools and offer the possibility to add a disk and automatically replace partition /dev/hda3 with /dev/hdb1 b.e. :) What 'daya' think ? Cheers Joerg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Root/SU Exit
Felix Miata grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner wrote: Nope. Control-D is simply used as an end-of-file indicator. If you EOF a *lot* of different program inputs, it will end that program (or at least, end it from looking for further input :). In the case of a shell prompt, it's *only* looking for input from you, so if you EOF it, it assums that you're done and closes. I think Ctrl-D was selected 30+ years ago to mean EOF as a keyboard mnemonic to D for disconnect (teletype/modem/EOT), as opposed to E or Z for end or S for stop or Q for quit. M$-DOS (much younger than *nix) does use Ctrl-Z/F6 to mean EOF. My first computer job had me running a system with a teletype (paper tape punch/reader included :). It's been a LONG time, but I think that the D key showed EOD on it (now that I try to recall :), as in End Of Data. Thus, ^D ended your input. Ah, memories :-) --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making Mandrake RPM's
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 08:57, Tru64 User wrote: Hi, I had a post here few days ago about RPM agonyand was educated that it was because i was not using Manrake specs but rather Redhat. Now, I am in dare need to make proftpd-1.2.8 rpms for mandrake. The current available rpm, 1.2.5 does not have large file support. It started support large files in version 1.2.6 http://freshmeat.net/releases/89605/ If procedure is not rpm -tb proftpd-1.2.8.tar.gz, then how else is it to use Mandrake specs? _Thanks in advance. Richard Richard, Perhaps the easiest way to learn/do what you need would be to grab the src rpm for the mandrake version. Do rpm -Uvh .src.rpm and go to /usr/src/RPM/SPECS and using that spec file modify it (like changing version numbers etc.) and play with it to create an MDK quality spec file and rpm. james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X as Root
James Sparenberg wrote: directing anything at you per se. Oh and BTW had one today. Someone asked why when they logged into MDK as root the screen went grey. Turns out this guy (as many are) was red/green color blind. So much for the warning *grin*. Maybe someone who gets listened to should suggest some Mandrake installer/default changes: 1-During X, have it ask a question is primary user color blind?; 2-Change the plain red desktop to one with a recurring warning pattern, such as the shape of stop and/or do not enter signs. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] X as Root
James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 09:47, Felix Miata wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: If he wants to, fine. If someone else wants to tell him how, fine. I was merely trying to get him to examine his thinking, and perhaps come to the realization that he is taking risks of which he may not be aware by doing this, and that there are safer alternative ways to do what he wants done. That seems to me to be a worthwhile effort, and experience that is worth imparting to others whenever possible. Since the he in this thread was me, I must point out I've had far more reminders on this subject than I need. Since two or four or more mdk versions ago, a root X login produces a red desktop and a message inviting you to log out and not run X as root. Between that and repeated reminders in list threads I've seen the warning more than necessary already. I'm going to do it when it best suits my purposes and that's that. If it takes eliminating all users except root to do it, I'll do that too. And all I am saying is that you should be able to. Please.. I'm not directing anything at you per se. Oh and BTW had one today. Someone asked why when they logged into MDK as root the screen went grey. Turns out this guy (as many are) was red/green color blind. So much for the warning *grin*. I do most of my root work in a console, and rarely do X as root except right after a new install, mainly for the convenience of the GUI config tools when I can't figure out or remember how to do them at console. ** You can either type root as the user name in KDM, or start your system in console mode as root and run startx. It is inadvisable to do so, as I am sure you have read the warnings, but it is your choice. g'day Jonathan G. Shilling Senior LAN Administrator Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Joerg Mertin wrote: Hi Brant, please try to read somthing about the philosophy on Unix type systems. Root can destroy anything on your system. Also - if everyone would use it's Unix system as user Root - the Virus Problems Microsoft Systems do have - would also exist under Unix. Another reason not to do things as root - is to protect the user from killing himself (virtually speaking). So - using a System as User - makes sens. I agree. I'm well aware of the dangers of running as root. I've lost system files due to an error when running *as a user* and running a file manager as root. I'm not advocating that people run as root on a regular basis (MS Windows). In fact I've already said that it isn't a good idea. I'm saying that if they think they have the need, or just want to do it because they can, it's their choice. Our responsibility ends after we have made our opinions known. After that--it's up to the user to exercise their common sense. I someone knows a System well enough to work as root under X - then _he_ knows how to enable it - thus this wouldn't be a problem. If a User does not figure out how to enable root Login - then he's IMHO not ready for login as Root into X. Just my 2 cents Joerg On Thursday 31 July 2003 23:43, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Root/SU Exit
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 9:25 pm, David Guntner wrote: Felix Miata grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner wrote: Nope. Control-D is simply used as an end-of-file indicator. If you EOF a *lot* of different program inputs, it will end that program (or at least, end it from looking for further input :). In the case of a shell prompt, it's *only* looking for input from you, so if you EOF it, it assums that you're done and closes. I think Ctrl-D was selected 30+ years ago to mean EOF as a keyboard mnemonic to D for disconnect (teletype/modem/EOT), as opposed to E or Z for end or S for stop or Q for quit. M$-DOS (much younger than *nix) does use Ctrl-Z/F6 to mean EOF. My first computer job had me running a system with a teletype (paper tape punch/reader included :). It's been a LONG time, but I think that the D key showed EOD on it (now that I try to recall :), as in End Of Data. Thus, ^D ended your input. Ah, memories :-) --Dave But interesting ones - thanks, everybody. I've obviously not been at this long enough - barely more than 20 years - and ^Z was what I knew. All a long time ago sigh Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MySQL update, and restarting problem.....
Yup, webmin will change it with no problems after I start the server with /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables but then when I restart mysql normaly service mysql start it has the same message: Starting MySQL ServerYou are required to change your password immediately (password aged) Changing password for mysql (current) UNIX password: I down graded to the orignal Mandrake 9.0 MySql version and all is well again. Ralph On Friday 01 August 2003 03:12 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Ralph Crongeyer wrote: Hi all. This is on a Mandrake 9.0 system. I just updated MySQL to 3.23.56 and now when I try to restart the mysql server I get this message: Starting MySQL ServerYou are required to change your password immediately (password aged) Changing password for mysql (current) UNIX password: Even though I type in the correct password it says: su: incorrect password I can start the server with this method: /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables and change the password with no problems but when i go to restart mysql normaly i get the same message? Any help would be great. Ralph Ralph, Don't know why it is doing this. But are you able to use Webmin to change the password for the root user and have it stick? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 7:52 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 01:09, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 01 Aug 2003 8:36 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) ??? I haven't met that one - and never miss a chance to be lazy Anne In a pinch alt-f4 works too. Funny, that's one windows shortcut I never used g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MySQL update, and restarting problem.....
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:13, Ralph Crongeyer wrote: Yup, webmin will change it with no problems after I start the server with /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables but then when I restart mysql normaly service mysql start it has the same message: Starting MySQL ServerYou are required to change your password immediately (password aged) Changing password for mysql (current) UNIX password: I down graded to the orignal Mandrake 9.0 MySql version and all is well again. Ralph Sounds like a question that Vincent may have a better handle on. perhaps a dependency in the new version that isn't being handled right. I'm really not sure. James On Friday 01 August 2003 03:12 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Ralph Crongeyer wrote: Hi all. This is on a Mandrake 9.0 system. I just updated MySQL to 3.23.56 and now when I try to restart the mysql server I get this message: Starting MySQL ServerYou are required to change your password immediately (password aged) Changing password for mysql (current) UNIX password: Even though I type in the correct password it says: su: incorrect password I can start the server with this method: /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables and change the password with no problems but when i go to restart mysql normaly i get the same message? Any help would be great. Ralph Ralph, Don't know why it is doing this. But are you able to use Webmin to change the password for the root user and have it stick? James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 08:30, Miark wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 02:39:47 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Texstar has them... I'm using them... so far so very good. One problem with Konq but it's a bug with KDE. you will always get a horizontal scroll bar if you have a vertical one James I'm not seeing that. Where are you seeing it? Yes, I'm getting that, too. Miark All kinds of sites. There is mention on it in the discussion area's on pclinuxonline. This is where Texstar mentioned that it is an actual KDE bug and that he had talked with MDK's people and they found the same. I do get it that's all I know. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X as Root
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 12:33, Felix Miata wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: directing anything at you per se. Oh and BTW had one today. Someone asked why when they logged into MDK as root the screen went grey. Turns out this guy (as many are) was red/green color blind. So much for the warning *grin*. Maybe someone who gets listened to should suggest some Mandrake installer/default changes: 1-During X, have it ask a question is primary user color blind?; 2-Change the plain red desktop to one with a recurring warning pattern, such as the shape of stop and/or do not enter signs. I was thinking of a default wallpaper with bombs all over it ala SuSE *grin* james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.3 out anywhere yet?
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 02:39:47 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Texstar has them... I'm using them... so far so very good. One problem with Konq but it's a bug with KDE. you will always get a horizontal scroll bar if you have a vertical one James I'm not seeing that. Where are you seeing it? Yes, I'm getting that, too. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Kernel Update - NVIDIA Driver Problem
I have just installed Mandrake 9.1 on a computer with a Geforce 4. I am or should say was using the standard NVdriver that was installed automatically with Mandrake 9.1. When I first installed Mandrake I had the same problem then was I do with the secure kernel but the enterprise kernel worked just fine. So I just changed my default kernel to the enterprise one. The problem is that I used RPMDrake to update my kernel to the new .25 versions which also fixed a problem I had with ipsec not starting on startup. But after the update I could no longer start the X server. Because the NVdriver kernel module was not being loaded. I checked the modules.conf and modules file and everything is correct but a modprobe returned with a Could not find file and lsof showed that it was not being loaded. Doing a file search I found that the NVdriver.o.gz was only in the old .13 enterprise kernel module directory and was not in the new updated kernels module file directory. So I first I tried to just copy the driver over and run a depmod -a but it came back with unresolved symbols. Then modprobe could find the file but of course would not load it because of the unresolved symbols. If I boot back into the old enterprise kernel it works just fine. My question is what is the best way to get the NVdriver module loaded correctly in the new kernel. For right now I changed my X driver from NVIDIA to nv and it works but I lost all 3d acceleration. I would like to avoid if possible downloading the raw files from the NVIDIA site since the current driver was working fine until I upgraded the kernel. Thanks up front for any help! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] keybaord layout
Title: keybaord layout Hi, I just installed ML 9.1, I have a laptop with US keyboard, but sometimes I need to use a Spanish keyboard layout, with ML 9.0 I had configured KDE with both layouts by selecting them from the Configuration-KDE-peripherals-keyboard dialog, but with the new version the same dialog doesn't have the list of layouts. Does anyone knows if this is a ML 9.1 issue or a KDE 3.1 issue? and how can I get the keyboard layouts to work? Appreciate any help, thanks.
Re: [expert] Kernel Update - NVIDIA Driver Problem
Jeffrey Litterick grabbed a keyboard and wrote: My question is what is the best way to get the NVdriver module loaded correctly in the new kernel. For right now I changed my X driver from NVIDIA to nv and it works but I lost all 3d acceleration. I would like to avoid if possible downloading the raw files from the NVIDIA site since the current driver was working fine until I upgraded the kernel. Do it anyway. :-) That way, you have a current module, compiled for your runnng kernel, installed and being used. You'll probably get better performance that way. --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mdkKDM?
James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:53, Felix Miata wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: As for turning off mdkkdm. Go to /etc/sysconfig and edit the file desktop. Make it say KDM GDM or XDM and you will again have a fully functioning Linux box. OK, the updated kdebase-kdm package is now installed. But, there is no such file /etc/sysconfig/desktop. Do I just copy my backup from 9.0? DISPLAYMANAGER=kdm -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] keybaord layout
El Vie 01 Ago 2003 21:11, Alberto Castillo Pompeyo escribió: Hi, I just installed ML 9.1, I have a laptop with US keyboard, but sometimes I need to use a Spanish keyboard layout, with ML 9.0 I had configured KDE with both layouts by selecting them from the Configuration-KDE-peripherals-keyboard dialog, but with the new version the same dialog doesn't have the list of layouts. Does anyone knows if this is a ML 9.1 issue or a KDE 3.1 issue? and how can I get the keyboard layouts to work? Appreciate any help, thanks. Why don't you try US-international? It has accents. ATENCION Su servicio de correo tiene antivirus ?? @internet URUGUAY: http://www.internet.com.uy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] VMWARE $
I have mandrake 9.1 install on my system. I am running the smp version and trying to get vmware 4.0 up an running. Everytime I try to do the vmware-config.pl, it prompts for the include headers. There is the default /usr/src/linux/include. Everytime it tries to configure it, it come back with wrong kernel version. Does anyone know where I need to point the header file to get the smp version of the kenerl? -- Joseph Loo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 19:29, Felix Miata wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:53, Felix Miata wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: As for turning off mdkkdm. Go to /etc/sysconfig and edit the file desktop. Make it say KDM GDM or XDM and you will again have a fully functioning Linux box. OK, the updated kdebase-kdm package is now installed. But, there is no such file /etc/sysconfig/desktop. Do I just copy my backup from 9.0? or make it... it's just the same except they are doing it all caps now James DISPLAYMANAGER=kdm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:36 pm, Bill Mullen wholly or partly mentioned :- The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) And even more easiness and convenience. -- Life, we learn too late, is in the living, in the tissue of every day and hour. Stephen Leacock This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:03 pm, Anne Wilson wholly or partly mentioned :- The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. Anne Does it never end? I have never known that it was so easy to become user again. In Slackware I used login in the terminal and have to go through the password and everything rigmarole to get back to user. I do this in Mandrake and the shell vanishes, but can be brought up again, and when I shutdown, I don't have the option of the dragon shutdown, but get back to a terminal /sbin/shutdown -h now as root. Thanks for that info Anne. I consider it among all the other very important trivia that some people take for granted that I don't know. These little things that make everything faster and easier. Linux is so very comfortable because it allows the shell to be used with the GUI in the background and vice versa. Thank you. Charlie -- Life, we learn too late, is in the living, in the tissue of every day and hour. Stephen Leacock This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Making / Verifying 9.2beta ISOs
Hello Now that the 9.2 beta cd's are out, I'm busily downloading them, and burning my own ISOs for the first time :) (well, I did burn 9.1 and that was a disastrous install). Anyway, I get 'input/output error' at the end of the first ISO if I try to 'md5sum /dev/cdrom' or dd the disk over into a file for comparison purposes. After dding the first ISO to another file, its size is roughly 1 or 2 K less than the ISO I downloaded. The md5sum of the first ISO matches the ones published, so at least the ISO is a good one. I'm leery, based on my experiences, to try booting this ISO for fear that something got lost. I used 'cdrecord -dev=1,2,0 -data -speed 4 iso-image-name and no errors from cdrecord. The burned CD seems to mount fine. If the last few K are not crucial -- well, let's not go there for now, since the previous install from burned 9.1 media just crashed the system hard practically at the tail end of the install, after completing all the steps. I guess one could loopback mount both copies and do a recursive diff. For now, should I just try another cd? Or is there something in that cdrecord I'm not doing and I should? -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kde 3.1.2 clock issue
Has anyone experienced clock problems? It's been OK up until now. I don't know when it started, but all of a sudden my KDE clock was off. I thought something was amiss in drakconf (system time) since I had recently run drakfloppy and drakboot to make sure my lilo and etc was all ready to go prior to installing 9.2 beta (I haven't yet installed). Attempting to change it produces haphazard results. My system time is all correct, PDT, clock set to GMT, 'date' or 'xclock' produces the correct time and date. However, kde's clock is reporting CDT now - and it's off. CDT is 2 hours ahead of here (Sunnyvale CA) not three, and three is what it's telling me (five shalt thou not count). Each time I attempt to set kde's idea of what time it is, the screen blanks for a bit, then goes back to normal, and the day chaanges. KDE thinks today is Saturday. It thought it was Monday before. I suspect kcmshell since that's invoked. But not sure. I haven't tried restarting kde. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
