Re: [expert] LM 7.2 and beyond (part 2)
> The reason I ask is that Corel's installation asks almost no questions > except for basic password stuff. The result is that their installer > breaks often during installations. RedHat's installer lets you test > video and such and works quite well but it doesn't ask many questions > either unless you go into expert mode. I seem to recall that RedHat 5.1 was very hard to install on my laptop... > A bit of new input on this, I just installed SuSE7.0 on a machine. > It's got some nice additions to the installer regime while also > keeping things really simple. It seemed to autodetect all my hardware > except for my ethernet card. It does let you intervene if it's > detected wrong (a good idea in my view) but simply agreeing that it's > detected your hardware properly, you can just press Next and move on. > They've added a really nice feature that gives you two sets of > onscreen arrow keys that let you adjust the size and orientation of > your video. I thought it was a nice touch. > They also seem to have a new user guide to Linux as an online > tutorial. Haven't looked at the contents of this but it seems like a > good idea. I have no experience of SuSE, but I have heard some good reports. As and when my old pentium arrives from the UK (I recently emigrated to the USA, and I'm still having kit shipped over) I might give it a try. > The problem I see with delivering stripped down version of Linux is > that very quickly a user is going to read about some application, > download it, and find that it's not "compatible" with their > installation because they don't have this or that. Unix has always > been a building block system and without a whole bunch of blocks > available, one will surely be missing when new software is installed. However, if the updating proggie (in the Windoze world, 'add/remove programs') were to check the dependencies and either automagically install them at the same time, or download them from the relevent web site, then that problem would be solved. I hate to compare Linux to Windoze (in general Linux rocks, Windoze quivers) but the 'add/remove programs' bit will automagically tell you if you need additional stuff in order to run an application (albeit only stuff on their CD) and will automagically install it for you at the same time. The same goes for the Windoze Update facility that upgrades/adds applications over the Internet. If Billy Gates can do it, I'm sure the geniuses (genii?) behind the various Linux distros can do it too... > I do think that it's silly to be providing, by default, things like > Star Office, AbiWord, Word Perfect, etc. If that stuff is on the CDs > that's great but they should be things you ADD to your normal 'newbie' > installation, not something you have to remove as an 'expert' > installer. I agree. > > Out of the remaining 2Gb, once I take out the suspend partition and Linux > > Swap, I'm down to 1.7Gb. A full 7.0 installation, plus StarOffice 5.2 and > > I'm almost out - and that's before the data... > > Data...no time for data creation :-) About the only thing I've had time for recently in Linux is to search for E.T.'s phone call... > > Better descriptions of the individual packages would help. These don't need > > to be long, just to the point. For example, "vi - small, no frills, > > powerful but steep learning curve", "pico - similar to DOS Edit", "Emacs - > > I agree but let's look at those examples. A newbie looks at this and > says, "Yuck, I don't want any of those editors; I want Word Perfect." > If you leave those out you might as well leave Pine out (some might > argue that's a good idea too). But what does the newbie do, after > he's done all this with the view that he does his editing with WP and > he needs to add a line to fstab? What's he do if he loses his X > installation? What's he do if he edits rc.sysinit and saves it as a > Word Perfect file (grin)? My list above was not intended to be exclusive - I used those purely as an example. However, I agree with your points. There would need to be a note to inform the user that as well as the bells and whistles GUI word processor, he needs a basic non-GUI editor in case the pod bay doors won't open... > I'm not really arguing that you're wrong but I am suggesting that > excluding a lot of this stuff is a tough call, especially for the > uninitiated. You are quite right. I have only really played with Linux so far. I set up a fax server on SlackWare UMSDOS a couple of years ago, and then started playing again about a year ago. I am fairly strong on computers in general, but pretty new to Linux. I find package selection very daunting, as I don't have a clue what most of them do... That is why I believe that the installer/updater is more user-friendly, both for newbies who don't always know what they want, and for experts who know exactly what they want, but don't want to spend all day selecting/deselecting packages... Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch wi
Re: [expert] LM 7.2 and beyond (part 2)
> > I agree. We need a 'newbie' install option that makes all the technical > > decisions for you, as well as the other install options for those with more > > knowledge. > > Do you view a RH installation as being this sort of installation? What > about Corel? The problem I see with these installations is that if > autodetection fails in any way, the user has no recourse. That is a difficult area for me to comment on, as I haven't installed RedHat since 5.1, and I have never used Corel. The only other distros I've played with are SlackWare UMSDOS and TurboLinux. > > Also, we could use a more 'user-friendly' way for the 'newbie' to install > > additional packages at a later date. An option to automagically > > This is possible if you restrict your view to them actually buying them > (or getting them) from a single place and restrict what applications > you're talking about. It's easy to control installation if you're holding > hte proprietary keys to setup/installation but given the nature of open > source and the free range of application developers, you're asking a lot > to generate standard installations. It might be nice if we could get the > websites to better label whether this or that rpm requires compilation or > not though. RPM already checks for dependency issues. Surely it's not that great a step for it to check your CD or the ftp site for your distro to find the > > Another member of the group recommended taking out the repeated packages > > with similar functionality - I don't think that would work. There would be > > far too many holy wars re-started as to what is taken out. A better > > Agreed but the problem could be partially solved by presenting ONLY the > KDE tool suite and/or GNOME suite. They could stick vi, vim, and emacs on > the HD but not stick them on the menus. It gets downright overwhelming > for a newbie to find no less than 8 basic editors and half a dozen > formatting tools on his menu system when all he want to do is write a > note. That is fine if the user has sackloads of hard disk space. Many don't - especially newbies who are trying it out on a dual-boot Windoze machine, or on a laptop. For example, I only have a 6Gb drive on this laptop, and need 4Gb of that for Windoze - and that is way too tight; it's nearly all gone. Out of the remaining 2Gb, once I take out the suspend partition and Linux Swap, I'm down to 1.7Gb. A full 7.0 installation, plus StarOffice 5.2 and I'm almost out - and that's before the data... Better descriptions of the individual packages would help. These don't need to be long, just to the point. For example, "vi - small, no frills, powerful but steep learning curve", "pico - similar to DOS Edit", "Emacs - best suited to those with ten fingers on each hand", etc. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] LM 7.2 and beyond (part 2)
> This is my opinion. > > I sit on both edges of the OS fence (I use M$ aat work and Linux at home.) > Unfortunately, I can not see giving most of the users I work with any linux > packages at all. They would never get past the installations. Does this > mean they are ignorant. Yep! But, you would not want me doing brain > surgery either. > > I think LM should be working towards an "ignorant user" install option as > well (I like the ideas in the previous message!). If you really want to > convince the companies of "proprietary products" that the platform is one > they need to pay attention to, then we have to convince the general public > of the value of Linux as well. That is never going to happen when they can > not do the first 5% (installation) in relative ease and lack of thought. M$ > has the right idea when it comes to that 95% of the market that is computer > tech illiterate. They take away the choices. It keeps them (the user) from > being overwhelmed. > > To me, an "ignorant user" pacakge would come with a desktop or two to choose > from at install time, but only one gets installed. Yeah - this flies in the > face of what most of us want on our systems. But, before we are going to > get the "masses" to use Linux/Un*x of any type, the confusion of > installation (read too many choices) has to vanish. The installation > package would also contain the mainstream "products" that are being used and > agressively developed in the Linux/Un*x world. But, only one or two choices > from each type, and GUI based. Embrace what has worked for M$ (ease of use > up front, limited choices to the end user, ...) and extend it beyond their > ability (Read stability, powere, etc in addition). I hate being forced to > make money on M$ products, and would love to see M$ replaced with a sane > platform. Believe it or not, it starts at the installation for most of my > users. > > Outside of the use of FUD, these are the time proven tactics that M$ has > used to squash competition and large scale innovation, and win support of > the masses. > What does everyone else think? I agree. We need a 'newbie' install option that makes all the technical decisions for you, as well as the other install options for those with more knowledge. Also, we could use a more 'user-friendly' way for the 'newbie' to install additional packages at a later date. An option to automagically install/download dependencies would be useful too - apologies if this is already in the newer releases; I am still on 7.0 until the weekend. Some Windoze applications have a 'basic' and 'expert' interface. The basic interface hides the complicated stuff from the user, but the expert interface still allows all functionality for the more experienced user. Another member of the group recommended taking out the repeated packages with similar functionality - I don't think that would work. There would be far too many holy wars re-started as to what is taken out. A better approach would be to more clearly indicate the pros and cons of the applications included, so that the user is better placed to make an informed decision as to what he wants. Just my $0.02 (Florida residents add 7% sales tax) Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] LM 7.2 and beyond (part 2)
> > I've not tried the latest releases, but upgrading 6.5 to 7.0 didn't work - I > > had to totally re-install. > > 6.5 wasn't really Mandrake; it was MacMillan's repackaging of Mandrake 6.1. > They broke a lot of thing in it, which caused no end of headaches for many > users. I was able to easily upgrade a 6.0 box to 6.1, then 7.0 and 7.1 as > they came out. That would explain a lot of things. I have to admit that I was not overly impressed with 6.5 - I downloaded 7.0 in desperation... Anyway, I should have first-hand experience of 7.0 to 7.1 soon, as I'm hopefully getting a copy of 7.1 from one of our LUG members tomorrow. I'll let y'all know how it goes... Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] LM 7.2 and beyond (part 2)
> Uhm...that already exists doesn't it? I've upgraded from 7.0->7.1 without > losing any of my setup. I've also done the upgrade from > 7.1->7.2beta on one of my non-work computers. Where's the problem? I've not tried the latest releases, but upgrading 6.5 to 7.0 didn't work - I had to totally re-install. > Microsoft has managed to have an "upgrade" because they want to make you > pay more money for an upgrade. What they provide is a new installation > that looks to see if you have an old one (and thus can pay the lower > price of the upgrade). But when you go from W'95->W'98 you overwrite the > registry completely and they rearrange the directory structure > sufficiently that you end up having to reinstall most third > party applications. Interesting - I've upgraded LOADS of machines from 95 to 98, and NEVER had any problems! Oh well. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] LM 7.2 and beyond (part 2)
> Publish upgrade-packs instead of new distros. This is probably one of the most important. What I (and I would think a lot of other users) need is an easier upgrade path. That is, one that doesn't require blowing away the previous installation and config files. Let's face it, even Micro$oft managed that (they just blow away every other operating system on one's machine in the process!) #;-D Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] APC Backup's software
> Has anyone gotten APC's Backups software to work? > > I've tried both RPM and source, both with same result.. > > I'm connected to the UPS with ttyS1.. Upon the install script, the > software tries to init the ups com port ( Light goes out ) and reports > an error, the ttyS1 port must be set up as a modem. > > ?? huh ?? > > The port is accessable by user and root ( chmod a+rw ).. > > I simply don't understand what the software is telling me.. > > How can you make the serial port configured as a modem other than a > symlink to /dev/modem which, imho, doesn't make sense.. > > Anyone who has done this please post, or better yet email me at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, it has been a loong time since I set up an APC UPS, but hopefully these points might help. 1. I was using APC Smart UPS, with the associated software. 2. I had one of these running with a SlackWare installation. 3. This UPS software had the facility to page/e-mail the SysAdmin in the event of an outage. Is it possible that you have connected the UPS to the port that the system expects the modem to be on (for e-mail/paging)? I'm sorry I can't be any more help - as I said, it was a long time ago... Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Time and Date synchronization..
> We have lots of 7.0 and 7.1 workstations and a Solaris RAID.. We need to > synchronize date and time on all the machines to the RAID.. or all the > machines including the RAID to some standard time over the internet. > > Whats the best way to go about it? We need synchro coz of CVS. You can use rtime to do this, using the -s option to actually set the value. For example, rtime -s time.missouri.edu will set your clock to the timeserver called time.missouri.edu (I use this one myself). You could either set the RAID to get it's time from this, and the rest from the RAID, or get all of the machines to get their time the same way. The former reduces Internet traffic. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Terminal for dos & windows
> Where i can find some terminal for dos & windows to connect my linux Box Windoze terminal does the job (comes with your Windoze distribution and installs by default). I regularly use it to telnet into my own Linux box. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] GDM Default
> Hi, how i can change the default init (genome) to kde in the GDM? > why i can't start windowsmaker for GDM but i cant start fron Anotherlevel ? In a terminal window, run switchdesk. This will bring up a menu that you can use to change the default GUI. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Public Keys in Signatures (was: Ulysses beta 2)
> > Charles is right in that large sig blocks are frowned upon, and > > they are actually contrary to the netiquette FAQ. > > A netiquette FAQ? Where do I find that? The faq in question is rfc1855. I'll e-mail you a copy if you wish (privately - I'd be CRUCIFIED if I sent a 46k faq to the list!) > Thanks for the moral support! Your comments also apply to cutting > useless cruft out of messages as one responds to them. I couldn't agree more. Again, this is covered in the above faq (actually an rfc, but the two are usually interchangeable). Messages should be trimmed to contain enough for a reader new to the thread to be able to make sense of it, but no more. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] SETI@home
> Ok I am not able to enter the GUI, but I can login and get to > a boot prompt. I entered startx and this is what I got; > > Error loading keymap /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/compiled/server-0.xkm > Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap > _FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno=111 > failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1' > Fatal server error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > > Mach64ProgramClkMach64CT: Warning: Q< 10.667 > X connection to 0:0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). I don't know what caused this error, but would be VERY surprised if it was the seti@home application. Can anyone else out there help this gentleman? Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Public Keys in Signatures (was: Ulysses beta 2)
> Dear Mr. Curley, > As per recent requests, I have removed the key signature and just > added it differently just for this poor 3rd world country. Relax, Chill, > and enjoy! > Thank you for your valueable comments. Charles is right in that large sig blocks are frowned upon, and they are actually contrary to the netiquette FAQ. It is not just third world countries that are affected either. When I was working in Europe (especially Italy) I often had to connect with a laptop/cellphone combination, frequently at 2,400bps due to International connectivity issues, at International roaming rates ($1.60/min). So let's see: at 2,400bps, a 1k PGP key takes over 4 seconds to download, which at $1.60/min is 11 cents. I generally receive over 100 e-mails a day - if everyone did what you are doing then my cellphone bill would have been boosted by $11/day, just for PGP keys. Imagine for a moment that YOU had to foot the bill out of your own pocket, as I had to... Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] SETI@home
> Running Mandrake 7.1 and I installed SETI@home i386-pc-linux-gnu-gnulibc2.1 > I am not able to log into the X server after I rebooted my system. All it > get is a prompt. How can fix this problem? That's novel - I can't think of ANYTHING with the SETI install that could screw X. Do you get any error messages? Are you booting into the GUI? Are you running startx from the command line? Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Public Keys in Signatures (was: Ulysses beta 2)
> MS Outlook 2000 is handling Mr. Curley's posts just fine. What version of > Outlook Express are you using? I see the same problem, and I'm running release 5. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] mandrake 7.2 beta
> The best I could do was "install as user, run as user". So right now I've got a > 250 MB office52 directory in ~/. If anyone knows how to install it into > somewhere like /usr/local/office52 as root so it can be run by everybody could > you share how you did it? Ok, try the following: 1. Login as root. 2. Run so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin /net (note the /net bit!) 3. Login as user. 4. Run setup from the office52 directory. This will create a 2mb bit in user's home direcory from which he can run his own instance of StarOffice. 5. Repeat steps 3 through 5 for the other users. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] mandrake 7.2 beta
> The best I could do was "install as user, run as user". So right now I've got a > 250 MB office52 directory in ~/. If anyone knows how to install it into > somewhere like /usr/local/office52 as root so it can be run by everybody could > you share how you did it? Ok, try the following: 1. Login as root. 2. Run so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin /net (note the /net bit!) 3. Login as user. 4. Run setup from the office52 directory. This will create a 2mb bit in user's home direcory from which he can run his own instance of StarOffice. 5. Repeat steps 3 through 5 for the other users. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Installing using hd.img
> Is it as simple as this: > >1. mount /dev/hda10 >2. cd to the image directory >3. type dd if=hd.img of=/dev/fd0 >4. boot off the floppy I just made Yes. The install will ask you for the partition and directory of the install files. Enter these and away ya go. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Phat Linux wont boot!!!!
> I got a home network running at home, I have Mandrake set up as a masquerading as > firewall host! I have recently downloaded and installed Phat Linux on one of my > client machines. Phat Linux works and operates off of a FAT16 or 32 file system, > I downloaded this distro cause I already have Mandrake set up as a server and I > did not want to re-partition my client machines file system. > > Anyway, Phat Linux boots by using LINLOAD, the MS-DOS based Linux loader. The > developers of this distro have made a simple MS-DOS batch file which looks like > this: Try SlackWare's ZipSlack (or, if you want, BigSlack). This works in a similar way by sitting on a DOS/Windoze partition and creating a psudo-root in the linux directory. Personally, I had problems with the supplied X in BigSlack, but ZipSlack is a basic install to which you can add X, and that version did exactly what it said on the tin. I use it on my Wife's machine. You can download ZipSlack from www.slackware.com - it is a zip file of around 35 megs. Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Modem Busy? IRQ conflict?
> use setserial to put the modem on ttyS2 (COM3) and it shld work fine :) > your motherboard might have 2 serial ports running.. so make this the > 3rd one. You could also use setserial to put it in irq polling mode (set it to irq0). I had to do this on my laptop. "setserial /dev/ttyS1 irq 0" works for me (obviously change the tty to suit your case). Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
> My guess would be no. Wine is used to emulate an environment for > an application, not create a complete Windows environment. A winmodem > needs driver support that a simple emulator can't deliver. On the other > hand, if you use a package like VMware, now that should likely work. My understanding of VMWare is that it cannot see hardware that is not available to the host operating system. In other words, if you were running Win98 as the host, with Linux on top via VMWare, then Linux would most likely see the modem. If you were running Linux as the host, with Win98 on top via VMWare, then I doubt very much that ANYTHING would see it, Linux OR Windoze. Comments/corrections welcome... Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Internal Modem
> The idea being that early PC designs didn't expect that you would need to > access more than two serial devices simultaneously and that you would space > them so that so as to avoid IRQ conflicts when using them. If you have ever > run out of IRQ's trying to configure a machine, you can see why this was an > essential mechanism. It was also possible to use irq2/9 for serial, as well as irq5 (irq5 was often used for a second parallel port). Oh, the delights of configuring the isa machines. Many cards had several irq options, but these often meant re-configuring all of your other cards to clear space. I had an old 386dx40 with all eight slots used as follows: 1 - Graphics card 2 - NIC (SMC) 3 - Sound card (SB16) 4 - Multi I/O (onboard IDE was dead, plus I needed com3 and lpt2) 5 - CD-ROM interface (for an old Mitsumi single speed!) 6 - modem (a blistering 14k4) 7 - SCSI controller 8 - Scanner card (for an old hand scanner) What a PITA that was to set up... Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] IE5 for linux
> > "just in case MS Boobytrapped it. :)" > > Paranoid! I like that! :-) Hey, where Micro$oft are concerned, one cannot be too careful... It would be a great example of FUD at work... #;-D Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] OT: w98 equiv to this list
> Does anyone here know of a Windows 98 equivalent to > this mailing list? I need one question answered, but > if someone here was willing to do so, I'd be very happy > not to have to mess with a Windows list. I wouldn't worry about it - I've seen stuff on here that's a LOT more off-topic than this... > Question: I'm converting from an all-SCSI system to a > hybrid that will have an IDE hard drive. (I can't fight > the prices any more!) Is there any way that I can convert > what is presently on the SCSI drive to the new system, > without reloading the OS and all the apps from scratch. > I'd like not to have to reload WP, AutoCad, etc., especially > since some are upgrades, and would require 2 or 3 earlier > programs to be installed first, for no reason except to > permit the upgrade to install. > (Yes I know I can copy the _data_ files from WordPerfect, > AutoCad, etc.) Well, copying under Windoze would probably miss files due to them being locked (unless you did a full backup/restore, which would probably be too time-consuming for you). Copying at the DOS level with XCopy would lose your long filenames. I'd copy the disks within Linux (cp -R) and see how that goes. Be ready for Windoze to complain about the configuration changes due to drives changing, etc., but I think it should be able to sort itself out as long as the drive letters don't change. Anyone care to confirm/condemn any of this? Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] RE: [MandrakeForum] Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta (Ulysses) iso is out
> Wilson wrote: > > Would some kind person tell me what to do with the iso file? > Do I burn it straight to CD or what? > Please instruct a first time iso downloader :-) You can burn the image to the CD, although there is another trick you can do with it under Linx. If you download it to your hard drive you can mount the image as another drive. You can then copy the files out of the image to another area of your hard drive and install from that. Hope this helps. Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] Internal Modem
> Internal Modem support in Linux is not presently available. Most of the currrent > internal modems are WINDOWS dependant. Support is promised (I am told) in future > releases. Internal modems ARE supported, as long as they are not WinModems. I was running a Zoom 14k4 internal with SlackWare about 5 years ago... Regards, Ozz.
Re: Re [expert] To the Powers That Be.
Paul Weber wrote: > > I will be out of the office from August 22 through August. 27. I will have limited >opportunity to respond to email until then. > > Thank you. AAARRR!
Re: Re [expert] To the Powers That Be.
Paul Weber wrote: > > I will be out of the office from August 22 through August. 27. I will have limited >opportunity to respond to email until then. OK, a 'clue' to the bright sparks that set up Out-of-Office autoresponders: DON'T DO IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO JOIN THIS GUY IN MY (AND NO DOUBT MANY OTHER USERS) KILLFILE!! Ozz.
Re: [expert]
Don wrote: > > Not able to post to the Expert list anymore Well, your post made it to me via the list... Regards, Ozz.
Re: Re [expert] To the Powers That Be.
Paul Weber wrote: > > I will be out of the office from August 22 through August. 27. I will have limited >opportunity to respond to email until then. > > Thank you. If I see ONE MORE of these I'm gonna rip my shirt off*, loop my tie around my head, grab my Uzi and do a John Rambo on Allied National... KILL THE OUT-OF-OFFICE AUTORESPONDER ALREADY! Ozz. *Not a pretty sight, I can assure you ;-D
Re: [expert] CL = Command Line (TM) (NT)
Greg Stewart wrote: > > > For the uninitiated, NT means No TeXT. > > I thought it meant "Nice Try" :-) Sorry guys, you're both wrong. NT stands for Not Tested ;-D Or was it Never Trusted? Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] Dependency Problem
Tony McGee wrote: > > File mappings to rpms would only be valid for each distribution because it's > up to the distribution to package things in such a way that everything works. > In this case mixing what seem to be redhat rpms (.i386.rpm) with mandrake > rpms, esp. for system files, would confuse any automagic rpm downloader > software even more. > > Is there an absolute need for modutils-2.3.14-1 to use your zip drive? Rather > than chasing down a zillion rpms which will more than likely give you even more > dependancy problems, if you can i'd suggest falling back to mandrake's > modutils-2.3.10-2mdk.i586.rpm found in the same upgrades directory as per > before. > > Tony Thanks for your prompt response Tony! OK, the zip drive is a USB one. The driver file (downnloaded from Iomega) requires at least 2.4.test4, and will not install unless it detects at least this release level. As the latest 2.4.x beta (not even I am crazy enough to try an alpha release with my current level of knowledge!) is 2.4.test6, I used that. The /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes file states the following: Current Minimal Requirements Upgrade to at *least* these software revisions before thinking you've encountered a bug! GNU C 2.7.2.3 binutils2.9.1.0.22 util-linux 2.10g modutils2.3.13 e2fsprogs 1.18 pcmcia-cs 3.1.13 PPP 2.4.0b1 isdn4k-utils3.1beta7 Now, I don't use ISDN, and some of my modules are already there. The only ones I need to update (according to this) are util-linux, modutils, pcmcia-cs and PPP. Any further suggestions VERY gratefully received! Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] Dependency Problem
Tony McGee wrote: > > # rpm -qf /sbin/is_depmod_necessary > gives: > initscripts-4.97-35mdk > > Since /sbin/is_depmod_necessary is part of the initscripts package itself. I'm > not exactly sure why it would be complaining about one of it's own files > unless it went missing or something *shrug*. > > Grab the latest initscripts package here and see if the dependency is resolved > after you install: > >http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/mandrake/updates/7.1/RPMS/initscripts-4.97-35mdk.i586.rpm I tried installing the latest initscripts just now, and got five more dependency problems. Several of these I have no idea what rpms I need to install to get the files. This is getting painful! Is there an up-to-date list available that lists all files and their corresponding rpms? I take it that there are no programs that could automate these installs (i.e, query the rpm, find any dependency issues, and automagically download the required additional rpms and install them, etc.)... Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] Dependency Problem
I'm upgrading from 2.1.121-16mdk to 2.3.14-1. The 2.1.121 version came with Mandrake 7.0, and I need to upgrade in order to run an updated kernel (2.4.test6) for USB support of my zip drive. The output of rpm -Uvh modutils-2.3.14-1.i386.rpm is error: failed dependencies: /sbin/is_depmod_necessary is needed by initscripts-4.72-13mdk However, my older version (2.1.121-16mdk) is installed correctly... What am I doing wrong - should I uninstall the old one first? Regards, Ozz. Cecil Watson wrote: > > Are you trying to install or upgrade? Sounds like an earlier version of > modutils maybe installed already, do a rpm -Uvh modutils-VER.rpm. > - Original Message - > From: "Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Expert Linux List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:19 PM > Subject: [expert] Dependency Problem > > > Re-set due to bounce... > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > I am trying to install modutils-2.3.14-1.i386.rpm but I'm getting the > > > following error: > > > > > > Dependency Problem: > > > /sbin/is_depmod_necessary is needed by initscripts-4.72-13mdk > > > > > > Does anyone know where I can get this file? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ozz. > >
[expert] Dependency Problem
Re-set due to bounce... > Hi. > > I am trying to install modutils-2.3.14-1.i386.rpm but I'm getting the > following error: > > Dependency Problem: > /sbin/is_depmod_necessary is needed by initscripts-4.72-13mdk > > Does anyone know where I can get this file? > > Regards, > Ozz.
[expert] Dependency Problem
Hi. I am trying to install modutils-2.3.14-1.i386.rpm but I'm getting the following error: Dependency Problem: /sbin/is_depmod_necessary is needed by initscripts-4.72-13mdk Does anyone know where I can get this file? Regards, Ozzz.
Re: [expert] Sendmail relay confusion
John Aldrich wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > One other thing, is it worth using FEATURE(rbl)?? > > > IIRC, the "FEATURE(rbl)" means that you will be refusing email from > "known" spam sources and known "open relays." This is a question only > you can answer. Do you want to accept email from known spam sites and > open relays? If so, don't use the rbl feature. If you DON'T want to > receive email from them, enable that feature. > John Unfortunately this does have it's pros and cons. There can be many innocent people who use those same relays, and the rbl (Relay Black List) blocks the lot, period. Having said that, if the system is configured to send a 'stock' reply to the sender, explaining that they are on rbl, then at least they then have the option of moving to a more reputable network... Just my $0.02... Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] Re: tracking employees
Hi. Maybe I could help to clarify this a little. Although I now live in the USA, I was born and raised in the UK, and lived there until I emigrated six months ago. While I was in the UK I worked as a Network Administrator, and had to consider a similar situation - many bosses forget that Network Administrators also need to be legal experts ;-D As far as I could figure, the situation in the UK was that your company can basically track/log/view anything they want to, as long as the employees are aware that this can happen. What you need to do is this: Draft up a 'charter' for the use of the Internet within the company. Make sure that this charter contains clauses such as "All Internet resources are to be used for Company businss only", "The Company reserves the right to monitor any and all Internet traffic to and from the Company's site", "All e-mails to or from the Company's network are the property of the Company", and "Failure to adhere to these clauses may result in disciplinary action - serious breaches may result in the employee's dismissal". Issue a copy of this charter to any employees who may use the system, and have them sign and return it to you. You may wish to make this charter part of the employee's contract of employment - many companies do in the UK. Although some people talk of posting such logs on Company Intranet sites, etc., this can sometimes be more trouble than it is worth. Say for example, an employee logs into a child pornography site - do you really want that appearing to all your employees at your site, or would you rather just quietly gather the information/evidence that you need in order to assist the police in prosecution? Also, by publishing the logs, people can not only see what you are logging, but more importantly, they can see what you are NOT logging. Another aspect to consider is this. I did not have time to check all the logs, all the time. I was often working over ninety hours a week as it was - I was responsible for a WAN that covered sites up to 200 miles away, and was on call 24/7. So, I set up a random schedule of checking a particular set of logs for a week or so, then changing to a different set, etc. I also allowed rumors to spread that I was logging/monitoring more than I really was... Although some employees started to view me as the classic "Bastard Operator From Hell", these were very much in the minority - most supported my actions, especially once the reasons were explained to them. You also need to make sure that you do act on breaches. For example, I once caught a fairly senior manager e-mailing a movie file clip to a co-worker. This movie clip portrayed some extreme sado-masochistic pornography. Now, I was actually fairly friendly with this manager, but I could not allow such material to circulate on the company networks, so I had to take the necessary disciplinary action with the employees involved. At the time, the company only had 64K ISDN access to the Internet and their own WAN, and the thing that alerted me in this case was the sudden chronic drop in network performance as this file was doing the rounds... Anyway, to sum all of this up, as long as the employees are aware that they may be monitored, you can monitor just about anything that they do that involves Company equipment/Company time. Remember that an employee who is spending Company time browsing the web or e-mailing for their own (rather than business) use is effectively stealing from the Company, especially when dial-up costs are involved. I have seen people fired for stealing items worth only a few pounds... Hope this helps. Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] Download managers !
"Stephen F. Bosch" wrote: > > Ron Stodden wrote: > > > > I feel sure the original questioner was referring to the ability of > > the Windows GetRight downloader to divide the file to be downloaded > > into up to 10 (number is user-specified) contiguous equal chunks and > > download them all in parallel, resulting in a single downloaded file, > > but up to 10 times faster download. > > 10 times faster? Me thinks you are dreaming. Bandwidth is bandwidth, and > there's only so much. Whether you set up 10 simultaneous downloads or do > only one, you are going to get the file in the same period of time. Bandwidth is only as fast as the slowest part of the route. It matters not that you have a T3 if the ftp server you connect to only has 64k ISDN. In a more realistic example, many of the popular ftp sites are overloaded, and rarely do you get maximum use of your bandwidth. By using multiple ftp servers you can maximize throughput. The GetRight feature allows connection to multiple ftp sites to get around that problem. Hope that helps. Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] Download managers !
"Carver, Paul, NLSOP" wrote: > > What is a Download manager? I wasn't aware that downloading files was > complex. FTP is pretty much a universal standard and there are plenty of > Linux/Unix clients. Can you be more specific about what special features a > Download manager provides? A download manager is something that automates the 'resume' if the connection is lost by a line drop, and 'prioritises' downloads for speed. Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] ICQ for Linux
Alexander Skwar wrote: > > It's a KDE program and I can't stand KDE. Should this mean anything to you? > Don't think so > > *g* I gotta ask - what is it about KDE that you don't like? I'm kinda torn between KDE and Gnome at the moment - both have features that I like... Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] ICQ for Linux
0.70.1 steve young wrote: > > what version of licq are you running, i had trouble with the older > versions giving me alot of garbage in the messages and crashing. i got > the newest version and it works great > > "Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root" wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > Does anyone know of a good ICQ client for Linux? I'm running LICQ at > > the moment, but I'm having a lot of trouble with it (crashing, garbage > > in messages, etc.) > > > > Regards, > > Ozz. > > ICQ 1287648 (when it's working)
Re: [expert] Compiling kernels.
Anton Graham wrote: > > Submitted 07-Aug-00 by Scott Kindley: > > > Is there a way of 'dumping' my current kernel's existing > > > menuconfig/xconfig setup to a file that can be read into the > > > menuconfig/xconfig for the new kernel? In other words, can I make my > > > current kernel setup the default? > > I missed the original post. Assuming that by your "current kernel" you mean > a binary kernel installed fram a Mandrake RPM, you should have the config > file for that kernel in /usr/doc/kernel-. Just copy that to > /usr/src/linux/.config and manuconfig/xconfig will use it for the defaults. > Alternately, use the load alternate config option to import the same file. That'll teach me to be so impetuous - I blatted /usr/doc to clear enough space for the kernel source :-( I tried doing everything manually, but seem to have screwed things monumentally - the new kernel just gives me the black screen of death. Fortunately I can still boot into my old kernel. I suppose I'd better wait until the next meeting of my local Linux User Group and let one of the Gurus loose on it... Thanks anyway for your help. Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert] lpd stops running
I don't know it it's related, but I used to have problems with printers connected to JetDirect when I was using them with NetWare servers. The JetDirects seemed to crash every few days - the only way around it was to reboot the JetDirect cards (unplug, wait a few secs, then plug back in). Once this was done, all the queued jobs came spewing out... Sound familiar? Ozz. Jason Bachman wrote: > > Hello list, > > I am having some trouble with the lpd daemon. I am using lpd to print to > several (3) HP Laserjet printers that are connected to our LAN with > jetdirect cards. Everything seems to work find for a few days, but > eventually the printers stop printing when jobs are sent to them. If I do a > 'lpq -Pprinter' > It will say "Warning: no daemon present". Then if I do a 'ps ax | grep lpd' > I can see the lpd process running. If I kill lpd then restart it, sometimes > it works and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesnt't work, I have to kill > lpd again, wait about 5 minutes, then start it and it usually comes back and > starts printing what was sent to the queue. > > Most jobs are sent to the queue from WinNT machines and Samba. > There are a few jobs sent to the queues from other linux machines but the > bulk of the jobs are from WinNT workstations. > > Does anybody have an idea or two of what I can check? Thanks. > > Mandrake 6.1 > lpr-0.46-1mdk > > --- > Jason Bachman > Information Systems Manager > Hiestand Supply Company > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] USB - IBM PC Camera
Hi. For a start, you are unlikely to have any luck with those kernels. 2.2.x has VERY limited USB support. You may get somewhere with 2.4.x (these are in beta right now). I myself will soon be upgrading to this, as I have a USB zip drive that I want to access under Linux. (I also have a webcam, but this is less urgent for me.) Try www.linhardware.com as they have a good database of hardware known to work with Linux, along with links to the required drivers. Good luck! Ozz. cllug org wrote: > > Has anyone had any luck with USB "web cam" devices and > Linux? > > The IBM PC Camera found at the url below is the one we > have. > > If anyone has it working please let me know how you > got it to work, and what software you used to get > pictures. > > Otherwise it is back to the Hauppauge WinTV and a > video camera. > > We are using 2 boxes one Mandrake 7.1 and kernel > 2.2.16 > and the other Slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16 (for > this experament) > > We also would like to use a web cam for our "LUG > Fests" and "Demo Days" > > >http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&prnbr=33L4889&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > Thanks > > John Luttrell > President > CLlug - Clarksville Linux Users Group > Clarksville, TN > http://www.cllug.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: [expert]
You could try www.linhardware.com. This lists all devices known to work with Linux. Regards, Ozz. Gilbert Baron wrote: > > The install code worked with version 7.0, it fails with 7.1. That is simple. > Thai is not acceptable. I don't understand exactly what is happening and it > seems that neither does anyone else that has replied ,. There seems to be no > way around it another that get different hardware. > > Sorry, it is not worth it. > In any case, how would I know what to buy, there is nothing in the documents > that say what is and what is not supported.
Re: [expert] IDE cylenders !
Create a small (~10mb) partition for /boot (thereby keeping the boot/lilo below the infamous 1024 limit), then create the other partitions above this. Regards, Ozz. faisal wrote: > > i get an error while partitioning my hard disk during LM 7.0 installation > which is your cylender are set to 1048 which exceeds 1024 limit .. this > will cause problem for lilo to boot . > how can we change it ?
Re: [expert]
Hi. > > The hard drive is a Maxtor 92048D8 20 gig hard drive that runs at 7200 RPM > > and is a plain old IDE, No ATA66. > > I am sure that you mean out of spec. I doubt it is out of spec, this drive > > is pretty new. It performs flawlessly in other systems. I they accepted > > before they should not have backtracked, once you allow something to work > > you should not shut it down. As IBM about what we had to do on the AS/400 to > > prevent this. You are telling me that Windows can handle it and LINUX > > can't??? Erm, you sing the praises of Windoze for backwards compatability, and yet Micro$oft themselves are looking to do away with much of the support for earlier (older) kit, such as non-USB keyboards/rodents, etc. Go figure... > > I told you. Nobody ever asked before. It is the BIOS that handles this > > anyhow is it not. Version 7/1 should not se anything that 7.0 did not. > > This message is useless, it does not ell why it is refusing to accept it. I think you will find that with Linux, the BIOS only handles the drive until the relevant parts of the kernel have loaded. After that, Linux handles the job itself. No doubt some of the Gurus on this list will correct me if I'm wrong... Regards, Ozz.
Re: [expert]
Hi. Gilbert Baron wrote: > > Is there any answer to this yet/ If not, what does one do with LINUX, just > say to oneself ahh well, we don't support you modern and common hardware but > that is ok, just use an older version. Boy that makes for confidence in this > toy. I have a great deal of confidence in this "toy". One of the great aspects of this "toy" is that one can write one's own drivers to solve one's problems. When new hardware comes out, try finding a Micro$oft driver (especially for NT) until several MONTHS after the event. When a warning of a potential security hole is issued by CERT, a Linux patch is generally available in HOURS. How long does it take Micro$oft? Getting back to hardware, even if you don't have the knowledge to write your own drivers (and let's face it, many users don't - including myself!) they are often available fairly quickly - a lot quicker than the equivalent Micro$oft patch. Of course, there is another angle too. How much did your copy of Linux cost you? My original copy cost me about $30 (I could have got it for nothing off the 'net if I'd wanted) - all upgrades were free from the 'net. My office suite (and upgrades) were also free from the 'net. Compare that to Micro$oft. What would it have cost me for a similar route (Win95, upgraded to Win98, plus MS Office 95, upgraded to Office 97)? Add to that the other Windoze software, and the total cost is rather more than I paid for this laptop! Bearing that in mind, the difference in price for hardware known to work with Linux is minimal. You are not comparing like with like. I have a dual boot on this machine (Win98/Linux Mandrake) as some of my clients are stuck with the Micro$oft stuff. Linux consistantly runs faster than Windoze. Period. Linux is also much more stable than Windoze. Period. Regards, Ozz.
