[expert] FW: xfree86 RPM not found

[Gil Baron W0MN]

I sent this to newbie list and perhaps that is where it belongs but the list
does not seem to be responding. I am in dire need of help here so I am
sending it here. Please excuse me if incorrect.

-Original Message-
From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 5:29 AM
To: AA/MandrakeNewbie
Subject: xfree86 RPM not found


I downloaded the inst and ext iso images for Mandrake 7.1
I burned the cds
I created the Boot disk.
I did the install but when it got to the xfree86 configure portion I got

Error found xfree86 RPM not found.

Huu? where is it and what did I do wrong and can I recover without
another complete install.
This takes forever as it is over 1900 megs for the developer version.

TIA


--
Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
"Hierro candente, batir de repente"

RE: [expert] MaximumLinux Magazine CD version of 7.1

[Gil Baron W0MN]

You are lucky if that is all you have.
I cannot install because it does not find xfree86 RPM. I amusing the
downloaded iso images and that is what I get and I am then dead, no xfree86,
no install.
Anybody have a solution?

You are totally correct about Windows install being VASTLY better!



> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Puff@NLE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] MaximumLinux Magazine CD version of 7.1
>
>
> Hello Dennis,
>
> > No. Our beta-testing period for 7.1 was 3-4 x longer than for 7.0, and
> > there was nothing even near to "abrupt cesation" of testing.
> There were 3
> > public betas, and we did not receive any "critical bug reports" for the
> > third one, so we had all the reason to beleive that 7.1 will be a good
> > product (and it is).
> > but none are really "show stoppers" (workarounds exist), and I
> still think
> > that overal quality of 7.1 is miles better than 7.0, or any previous
> > Mandrake release:
>
> Well, as someone who had a little experience with 6.1, and
> recently did several installs of 7.1 (never tried 7.0), I would
> beg to differ with you big time.  There are some significant bugs
> dealing mostly with the install that I have posted here, but no
> one has responded.  And yes, they will keep 7.1 from installing!
> Let me see if I can recall these:
>
> 1. The CDROM bug: once you get to where it wants disk #2, the
> cdrom drive will not eject a disk.  No way whatsoever to change
> disks.  (I did manage to change the disk by powering down the
> CDROM drive, but then Linux wouldn't recognize it.  Happened with
> two out of four computers.
>
> 2. The way to start the install program from a DOS prompt is
> broken - doesn't work at all.
>
> 3. The install program starts up running in high resolution, if
> it sees you have a card that can do it.  Unfortunately, it
> doesn't ask if your monitor can support it, and thus my screen
> turned to hash, and I was unable to install the program.
> (Thankfully I had a multisync monitor on another system that I
> robbed long enough to do the install.)  THis should default to
> 640x480, and ask / let you try higher rez if you want.
>
> 4. Setup properly detected my 3com 509 network card, then set up
> the wrong drivers for it!  (Had to change from whatever it had to
> the 3com 509 driver, what a concept.)
>
> 5. Setup did not install the 75dpi or 100dpi fonts, which gave me
> all sorts of error messages when X tried to start.
>
> 6. My monitor type and card must have been screwed up somewhere
> in the detection, as I couldn't even get 256 colors at 640x480
> working on one system.  When I tried running the XF86setup, it
> core dumps when you tell it to list devices.
>
> 7. "Automatic setup" is definitely not what anyone should use.
> It skips many important steps.  Also installs junk packages, and
> doesn't install ones that should be installed by default (IMHO).
>
> 8. The KDE/X stuff looks like it was pre-configured for 1024x768
> rez.  WHen you're in 640x480, some things are off the screen, and
> other boxes are so large you can't even get to an OK or CANCEL
> button!  Even in Win95, it defaults to the lowest common
> denominator, and every window is accessible.
>
> I think that any of these things would cause a newbie to give up,
> if they didn't have persistence.  I am not a Win95 (or microsoft)
> fan, but for the average user, their setup works a whole lot
> better.  From reading the comments here, it seems that 7.0 didn't
> have some of the big nasty bugs that 7.1 has.
>
> Bob
>

RE: [expert] XFree86 4.01

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> > :~>XFree86 4.01 just came out.
> > :~>
> > :~>How long will it take for MDK 7.1 RPMs to be made?  I need 'em since
> > :~>XFree86 4 didn't install like I specifically asked it to
> when installing
> > :~>MDK 7.1.
> >
> > Look in cooker, I reckon these RPM-s are already there.
> >


What is COOKER and how do I find it and use it? I also need that since the
RPM for xfree86 is totally broken in the ISO images that you download.
TIA


>

RE: [expert] FW: xfree86 RPM not found

[Gil Baron W0MN]

I thank you greatly. that is exactly what I was looking for. It will help me
with other packages in the future too.
The first thing I am doing is another download of the inst CD. I did it and
the size was different by 2 megs. I will try it again. It is much easier
that way. If it fails I will try your suggestion.
It sounds like a long day but maybe I will succeed. the only reason I am
going through this is that it seems to now support my viper 2 card for > 640
x 480. At least it does during install which it did not before. Without 1024
x 768 the use of any windowing system is just not practical.
Thanks again and wish me luck.

Another question, can you tell me why it takes 3-8 hours for a message to
show up. Is this thing moderated? It is too bad it is if that is it. It
takes so long to get messages. Most mailing lists I use show a message
within 30 seconds or less.
It is a sad commentary on behaviour when a list must be moderated.


> -Original Message-
> From: Civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 12:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] FW: xfree86 RPM not found
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gil Baron W0MN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AA/MandrakeExpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 5:35 AM
> Subject: [expert] FW: xfree86 RPM not found
>
>
> >I sent this to newbie list and perhaps that is where it
> belongs but the list
> >does not seem to be responding. I am in dire need of help
> here so I am
> >sending it here. Please excuse me if incorrect.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 5:29 AM
> >To: AA/MandrakeNewbie
> >Subject: xfree86 RPM not found
> >
> >
> >I downloaded the inst and ext iso images for Mandrake 7.1
>
> Did you run md5sum?
> Well, if you didn't have linux already, you probably could not
> have.
>
>
> >I burned the cds
> >I created the Boot disk.
> >I did the install but when it got to the xfree86 configure
> portion I got
> >
> >Error found xfree86 RPM not found.
> >
> so continue the install to the end without X
> Then
> goto
> ftp://ftp/linux.tucows.com/pub/distributions/Mandrake/Mandrake
>
> but do it with an ftp program or netscape, not MSIE which will
> bomb.
>
> There under 7.1 under RPMS search for packages beginning with
> the name XF and download them then start linux (without X)
> login as root and copy the files to /root  and
>
> # rpm -ivh XF*.rpm
>
> If you get complains about missing libraries try the same
> command line with --nodeps added after the -ivh and surrounded
> by spaces.
>
> Once that is complete
>
> # Xconfigurator
>
> will start installing the X
>
> What has happened is that your download is corrupted, or your
> media is bad or your cables are loose to the CD or the burner.
>
> I just finished an install of about 28 minutes where I was a
> spectator except to tell Linux-Mandrake's install program a
> few IPs and what printer I was using.  And this was no
> ordinary hardware but some REALLY tough choices.  Win98 would
> have called for no fewer than 5 driver disks and still messed
> up (I had two ethernet cards and 98 could see either one, but
> missed them both when they were both installed.  And when I
> tried to use the install hardware wizard -- It revolted (no no
> no, I have to detect that for you))  98 never did install.
>
> Civileme
>
>
> >Huu? where is it and what did I do wrong and can I
> recover without
> >another complete install.
> >This takes forever as it is over 1900 megs for the developer
> version.
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >
> >--
> >Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
> >44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
> >"Hierro candente, batir de repente"
> >
> >
>

[expert] Install failure still happening

[Gil Baron W0MN]

I guess I am still a newbie even though I have gotten as far as compiling
C++ and getting my cable modem to work. That was with version 7.0. I post in
this list as it probably has the best chance of having the expert needed to
help me. I would rather stay with Mandrake but it is getting impossible to
do since I cannot install the new version.


I have downloaded the Mandrake 7.1 iso images 3 times form 3 different
locations. I ran the MD5SUM and it checked out on both cd images.
I burned the cds with CD Writer Deluxe and got no errors doing it.
I installed and I get all the way to the last step which is configure x.
I get

An error occurred
Xfree86 - rpm not found

And of course I am now burdened with an install without a GUI.

I have also tried downloading the XF*.rpm files and running the install. The
install APPEARS to work but when I run
Xconfigurator it gives a FAST message about starting and then terminates and
x is still not configured. NO error messages..
Has ANYONE got a solution to this.
I have heard from others that have had this problem too.
I am not the only one..

I am almost positive that my cds are exactly what was downloaded which
checked with md5sums.

I have one more chance. I ordered the cds from cheapbytes. If that does not
work, it is either give up on Linux or go to a different distribution.

Too bad for Mandrake. I kind of liked what I saw in 7.0 but am not about to
put up with this much longer.

Any good suggestions ESPECIALLY FROM OTHERS THAT HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN would
be GREATLY appreciated.


--
Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
"Hierro candente, batir de repente"

[expert] How to access DOS files with no XFREE available , no GUI

[Gil Baron W0MN]

I moved this to newbie list where it is probably more fitting.

I got the instructions below but I do not know how to get the files I
downloaded (to my E:\linux folder to copy them to the root so that I can
proceed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am sure there is some
simple command but I do not know what it is.

TIA


> -Original Message-
> From: Civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 12:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] FW: xfree86 RPM not found
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gil Baron W0MN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AA/MandrakeExpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 5:35 AM
> Subject: [expert] FW: xfree86 RPM not found
>
>
> >I sent this to newbie list and perhaps that is where it
> belongs but the list
> >does not seem to be responding. I am in dire need of help
> here so I am
> >sending it here. Please excuse me if incorrect.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 5:29 AM
> >To: AA/MandrakeNewbie
> >Subject: xfree86 RPM not found
> >
> >
> >I downloaded the inst and ext iso images for Mandrake 7.1
>
> Did you run md5sum?
> Well, if you didn't have linux already, you probably could not
> have.
>
>
> >I burned the cds
> >I created the Boot disk.
> >I did the install but when it got to the xfree86 configure
> portion I got
> >
> >Error found xfree86 RPM not found.
> >
> so continue the install to the end without X
> Then
> goto
> ftp://ftp/linux.tucows.com/pub/distributions/Mandrake/Mandrake
>
> but do it with an ftp program or netscape, not MSIE which will
> bomb.
>
> There under 7.1 under RPMS search for packages beginning with
> the name XF and download them then start linux (without X)
> login as root and copy the files to /root  and
>
> # rpm -ivh XF*.rpm
>
> If you get complains about missing libraries try the same
> command line with --nodeps added after the -ivh and surrounded
> by spaces.
>
> Once that is complete
>
> # Xconfigurator
>
> will start installing the X
>
> What has happened is that your download is corrupted, or your
> media is bad or your cables are loose to the CD or the burner.
>
> I just finished an install of about 28 minutes where I was a
> spectator except to tell Linux-Mandrake's install program a
> few IPs and what printer I was using.  And this was no
> ordinary hardware but some REALLY tough choices.  Win98 would
> have called for no fewer than 5 driver disks and still messed
> up (I had two ethernet cards and 98 could see either one, but
> missed them both when they were both installed.  And when I
> tried to use the install hardware wizard -- It revolted (no no
> no, I have to detect that for you))  98 never did install.
>
> Civileme
>
>
> >Huu? where is it and what did I do wrong and can I
> recover without
> >another complete install.
> >This takes forever as it is over 1900 megs for the developer
> version.
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >
> >--
> >Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
> >44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
> >"Hierro candente, batir de repente"
> >
> >
>

RE: [expert] Re: "Upgrade??" to LM7.1

[Gil Baron W0MN]

Same problem here. Using that method is an anachronism in any case. All this
is easy with a Mandrake install or from KDE IF you get that far. I don't
yet. Still waiting for my cds from cheapbyte.
The downloads don't work, even though MD5SUM  is good and even though I
burned at only 2x (can do 4), no change at all.
Good luck, I tried the config and seems you have to go to a 4 year course to
learn it!


> -Original Message-
> From: Denis Havlik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:54 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Re: "Upgrade??" to LM7.1
>
>
> :~>> xf86
> :~>> config seems to have a bug as well because it gets to the
> screen where
> :~>> it asks do you want to look at a list of cards and when I
> answer y the
> :~>> program exits to the mc screen.
> :~>
> :~>This happens to me on all my fresh installs of LM 7.1.  I hope
> MDK fixes these problems, they are mighty!
>
> Well, we will take a look at xf86cofig, but why don't you try to
> configure X using XFDrake?
>
> cu
>   Denis
> --
> -
> Dr. Denis Havlik
> Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Quality Assurance  (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
> visit our new discusion forum: http://forum.mandrakesoft.com
>

RE: [expert] XFree86 4.01

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> -Original Message-
> From: Civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 2:38 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] XFree86 4.01
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gil Baron W0MN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 11:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [expert] XFree86 4.01
>
>
> >
> >> > :~>XFree86 4.01 just came out.
> >> > :~>
> >> > :~>How long will it take for MDK 7.1 RPMs to be made?  I
> need 'em since
> >> > :~>XFree86 4 didn't install like I specifically asked it
> to
> >> when installing
> >> > :~>MDK 7.1.
> >> >
> >> > Look in cooker, I reckon these RPM-s are already there.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >What is COOKER and how do I find it and use it? I also need
> that since the
> >RPM for xfree86 is totally broken in the ISO images that you
> download.
> >TIA
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
> I think you did not download true copies of the iso images
> because my downloads and those of hundreds of others worked
> fine, and the iso images made it clear that 4.0 was not

I did the download form the official Mandrake page. I ran the MD5SUM on both
iso packs and it passed. I burned at 2 x rather than 4. I tried the install
on two different machines. Both failed in EXACTLY the same way. Version 7
commercial package installed on both with no errors.

I am stumped. I did order the cds form cheapbyte and I will see how it goes.


By the way, I must admit that the install goes MUCH easier that SUSE. That
is one reason I want to try to stay with Mandrake.

> regarded as the one for choice at his time.  But it did
> install on most of my systems and the error was not failure to
> locate the package, but rather that it did not have an
> appropriate driver.
>
> Cooker you can find by navigating to www.linux-mandrake.com
> and clicking on updates or developers list or just about
> anything that brings you eventually to a list of mirrors.
> Most of hem carry a direcory called
>
> Mandrake-devel
>
> Which has the latest and greatest stuff, also the most
> experimental.  DON'T touch those packages if you expect
> finished commercial product--it is for people to find and
> report bugs.
>
> It is in two directories, cooker and contribs.  Cooker
> contains what will be in the next release when it is
> sufficiently debugged.  Either set of packages, cooker or
> contribs, has no warranty,  You break it, you keep the pieces.
> It turns you into a sperm whale, you live on a diet of giant
> squid.
>
> One place you can find cooker is
>
> ftp://ftp.linux.tucows.com/pub/distributions/Mandrake/Mandrake
> -devel
>
> Civileme
>
>
>

RE: [expert] cable modem problems

[Gil Baron W0MN]

My cable modem works with no problems. I find that DHCP does not work well.
I use a manual configuration. You should use Drak Conf from root and enter
the IP address at the host setup. You also need the correct net mask. Mine
is 255.255.254.0 but yours may be different.
You also must set up the gateway ip and the DNS ip addresses. After you have
done all of this and make it current it should work. It does for me.

If you do not know these addresses because you are using DHCP in windows you
can get them all with winipcfg from Star Run.

This should work easily and well.

BE SURE top do it from log on as root or it will not stick.
I mean log on as root not the su that happens if you are not.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 9:09 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [expert] cable modem problems
>
>
> any more info ... what have you tried ... have you read the Cable-modem
> HOWTO ... it was pretty straight forward
>
> Michael
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Philip Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 9:12 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [expert] cable modem problems
> >
> >
> > I can't seem to get my cable modem to work. I believe I have my nic
> > configured right. But it still doesn't seem to work Any help would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thank You
> > Philip Watson
> >
>

[expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install problem help

[Gil Baron W0MN]

I posted here as this is obviously not a problem for a beginner


This time try XF86Setup
  I get Server specification missing in card database. Trident Cyber
9320 (generic) (line 2537)
  Segmentation fault cored dumped

I get the same error about the card data base if I use XF86Setup.


I guess Mandrake Linux may not be for me. I tried this on two machines and
the same error is the result.

Machines
P3500 with 15 gig and 20 gig drives. 256 Meg memory. Viper II video. (This
works during setup until the failure). Linux on the
15 gig drive. The boot partition is at the front of the drive. It is the 2nd
drive in dos. This is NOT a large drive problem.


REMEMBER THAT VERSION  7 WORKS PERFECTLY. I am upgrading to get wheelmouse
support and support for my video card.


Can anyone help. this has been a 3 week NIGHTMARE.


PII 300 with 6 gig drive and 2.1 gig drive. Linux on the 6 gig which is C in
dos. Proves it is not a large drive problem. 64 Meg memory.




--
Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
"Hierro candente, batir de repente"

RE: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install problem help

[Gil Baron W0MN]

I tried that several tines. I have tried a downloaded XF86 rpm and the one
on the CD. It seems obvious to me that the problem is something missing from
the Card Data base and I have no idea how to get it or fix it.
The message is a dead give e away it seems and the fact that it works for
others. I am almost certain I could fix it if I went out and got an ATI
OLDER video card, but I won't do that.
I should not have to do that. If new great hardware is not supported it is
going to be a tough sell. At lest that is my take on the problem. It is NOT
the xf86 rpm except as it has to do with the card data base (assuming that
may be part of it) so I think it needs to be fixed.

Unfortunately this so called free OS is not so free since after buying the
first version in the retail box they do not want to support you when the
upgrades cone along. I see no reason to buy another package just to get
these two things I need.
IS NOT THAT supposed to be part of the glory of this system?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 4:30 PM
> To: AA/MandrakeExpert
> Subject: Re: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install
> problem help
>
>
> It sounds  a little like the server file didn't install properly. Have you
> tried removing the particular file and reinstalling it. That would be the
> XF86..rpm. You may want to just bring up your system on a generic
> video driver and try reinstalling all the X drivers using kpackage. Then
> try and reconfigure your display.
>
> --
> Mark
>
> I love my Linux Box...
>   REASON # 2 ...X-windows is just a suedonym.
>   Registered Linux user # 182496
>
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Gil Baron W0MN wrote:
>
> > I posted here as this is obviously not a problem for a beginner
> >
> >
> > This time try XF86Setup
> >   I get Server specification missing in card database. Trident Cyber
> > 9320 (generic) (line 2537)
> >   Segmentation fault cored dumped
> >
> > I get the same error about the card data base if I use XF86Setup.
> >
> >
> > I guess Mandrake Linux may not be for me. I tried this on two
> machines and
> > the same error is the result.
> >
> > Machines
> > P3500 with 15 gig and 20 gig drives. 256 Meg memory. Viper II
> video. (This
> > works during setup until the failure). Linux on the
> > 15 gig drive. The boot partition is at the front of the drive.
> It is the 2nd
> > drive in dos. This is NOT a large drive problem.
> >
> >
> > REMEMBER THAT VERSION  7 WORKS PERFECTLY. I am upgrading to get
> wheelmouse
> > support and support for my video card.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone help. this has been a 3 week NIGHTMARE.
> >
> >
> > PII 300 with 6 gig drive and 2.1 gig drive. Linux on the 6 gig
> which is C in
> > dos. Proves it is not a large drive problem. 64 Meg memory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
> > 44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
> > "Hierro candente, batir de repente"
> >
> >
>

RE: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install problem help

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> -Original Message-
> From: Civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 1:34 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install
> problem help
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, you wrote:
> > I posted here as this is obviously not a problem for a beginner
> >
> >
> > This time try XF86Setup
> >   I get Server specification missing in card database. Trident Cyber
> > 9320 (generic) (line 2537)
> >   Segmentation fault cored dumped
> >
> > I get the same error about the card data base if I use XF86Setup.
> >
> >
> > I guess Mandrake Linux may not be for me. I tried this on two
> machines and
> > the same error is the result.
> >
> > Machines
> > P3500 with 15 gig and 20 gig drives. 256 Meg memory. Viper II
> video. (This
> > works during setup until the failure). Linux on the
> > 15 gig drive. The boot partition is at the front of the drive.
> It is the 2nd
> > drive in dos. This is NOT a large drive problem.
> >
> >
> > REMEMBER THAT VERSION  7 WORKS PERFECTLY. I am upgrading to get
> wheelmouse
> > support and support for my video card.
> >
>
> From your other posts, version 7 works 640x480 in 16 colors
>

Not true. I have two systems remember that. I am for ed to use 640 x 480 on
the P3 500 but on the P2 300 I get 1024 x 768 and it works perfectly.
I have a further problem, I cannot even get 640 x 480 to work in version
7.1. I can not get ANY GUI to work in 7.1 not even VGA on EITHER system. As
I said 1024 x 768 works on the P2 with the Maxi Gamer graphics card and not
even VGA works over there.

The problem is it fails to give me ANY CHOICE WHATSOEVER at the configure x
step. It should at least give me chance to take the lower level.

I have tried and tried with Xconfigurator and the other termanal
configurator programs but I get the message I posted about card data base
information missing.
This happens even trying to configure from the command line.
I guess you hit the nail on the head. Why bother with 7.1 if I am not going
to get any gain.
Well I though at least I would get the mouse wheel support. Once you get
used to the wheel it s VERY hard to do without it.





>
> To run 7.1 with the VGA driver, choose an "unlisted" card and

> select it as the
> default driver.
>
> Civileme
>

At what step do I do this. I nver saw such a choice. Are you talking during
Xconfigurator?

[expert] Good vidoe card to use

[Gil Baron W0MN]

Since my Diamond Viper II on one system and Maxi Gamer  Voodoo Banshee on
the other do not work in version 7.1 and X 3.6 or 4, can anyone recommend a
GOOD FAST card that works in both Linux 7.1 and windows 2000.
I am not sure I am ready to buy a new card but I don't want to make another
error.
Thanks, and if you have actually used the card and it works in 7.1 and if
possible with X 4 that would be the best.


--
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44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
"Hierro candente, batir de repente"

RE: [expert] Good vidoe card to use

[Gil Baron W0MN]

The banshee works fine in 7.0. In 7.1 they regressed and I get the same sad
situation that at the Configure X step the message about not finding the
package and I cannot configure it.


> -Original Message-
> From: bobby dowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 8:00 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Good vidoe card to use
>
>
>
> The banshee should work fine in XFree86 3.3.6 or 4
>
> >From: "Gil Baron W0MN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: "AA/MandrakeExpert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [expert] Good vidoe card to use
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> >Since my Diamond Viper II on one system and Maxi Gamer  Voodoo Banshee on
> >the other do not work in version 7.1 and X 3.6 or 4, can anyone
> recommend a
> >GOOD FAST card that works in both Linux 7.1 and windows 2000.
> >I am not sure I am ready to buy a new card but I don't want to
> make another
> >error.
> >Thanks, and if you have actually used the card and it works in 7.1 and if
> >possible with X 4 that would be the best.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
> >44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
> >"Hierro candente, batir de repente"
> >
>
> 
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>

RE: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install problem help

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> -Original Message-
> From: Joerg Mertin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install
> problem help
>
>
>
> Incredible. Bad boys are all around. Please remember you are on the
> Experst Mailing List. So, an Expert should know how to resolve a problem
> when he's unable to get X working.
>

But if I posted on Newbies I would not find the expoerts that can help!!!


> Start in Runlevel 3, type in X --probeonly and check if the Graphic-Card
> is recognised. If not, you'll have a probpem, but as you stated Mandrake


Card not recognized.


> 7.0 did work Fine, I think this version should work too. My bet is that
> you should just copy the /etc/X11/XF86Config.old file to
> /etc/X11/XF86Config and your X-Windows Session should work. If you're
> missing that file, have a look at the different XFree-Pages existing for
> example configurations.

The above did not work. I don't remember the exact error but it does not
work. Something about not finding or not able to start server.


>
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 05:50:26PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote:
> > I tried that several tines. I have tried a downloaded XF86 rpm
> and the one
> > on the CD. It seems obvious to me that the problem is something
> missing from
> > the Card Data base and I have no idea how to get it or fix it.
> > The message is a dead give e away it seems and the fact that it
> works for
> > others. I am almost certain I could fix it if I went out and got an ATI
> > OLDER video card, but I won't do that.
> > I should not have to do that. If new great hardware is not
> supported it is
> > going to be a tough sell. At lest that is my take on the
> problem. It is NOT
> > the xf86 rpm except as it has to do with the card data base
> (assuming that
> > may be part of it) so I think it needs to be fixed.
> >
> > Unfortunately this so called free OS is not so free since after
> buying the
> > first version in the retail box they do not want to support you when the
> > upgrades cone along. I see no reason to buy another package just to get
> > these two things I need.
> > IS NOT THAT supposed to be part of the glory of this system?
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 4:30 PM
> > > To: AA/MandrakeExpert
> > > Subject: Re: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver
> 7.1 Install
> > > problem help
> > >
> > >
> > > It sounds  a little like the server file didn't install
> properly. Have you
> > > tried removing the particular file and reinstalling it. That
> would be the
> > > XF86..rpm. You may want to just bring up your system on a generic
> > > video driver and try reinstalling all the X drivers using
> kpackage. Then
> > > try and reconfigure your display.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > I love my Linux Box...
> > >   REASON # 2 ...X-windows is just a suedonym.
> > >   Registered Linux user # 182496
> > >
> > > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Gil Baron W0MN wrote:
> > >
> > > > I posted here as this is obviously not a problem for a beginner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This time try XF86Setup
> > > >   I get Server specification missing in card database.
> Trident Cyber
> > > > 9320 (generic) (line 2537)
> > > >   Segmentation fault cored dumped
> > > >
> > > > I get the same error about the card data base if I use XF86Setup.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess Mandrake Linux may not be for me. I tried this on two
> > > machines and
> > > > the same error is the result.
> > > >
> > > > Machines
> > > > P3500 with 15 gig and 20 gig drives. 256 Meg memory. Viper II
> > > video. (This
> > > > works during setup until the failure). Linux on the
> > > > 15 gig drive. The boot partition is at the front of the drive.
> > > It is the 2nd
> > > > drive in dos. This is NOT a large drive problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > REMEMBER THAT VERSION  7 WORKS PERFECTLY. I am upgrading to get
> > > wheelmouse
> > > > support and support for my video card.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone help. this has been a 3 week NIGHTMARE.
> > > >
> > &

[expert] SUCCESS believe it or not

[Gil Baron W0MN]

My nightmare may be coming to and end.
I did a reinstall of Version 7.0 and then an upgrade to version 7.1. The X
comes up now and I have a 640 x 480 system. The network works also, on the
cable modem too!

I guess the decision now is live with VGA (really hard to use) or wait for
support for the VIPER II, (does any of the experimental stuff support it yet
? ) or buy a new video card.

I think I will wait until beta or released supports it.

Thanks for all the help here.


> -Original Message-
> From: Gilbert Baron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install
> problem help
>
>
> I am trying to use version 3.3.6. There are two problems. My video card
> VIPER II is not supported and the data base of cards is bad when
> it tries to
> find mine it core dumps.
>
> My other system VOODOO BANSHEE is supported in version 7 but fails in
> version 7.1. GO figure.
>
> ALL with version 3.3.6.
>
> Has anyone used the ATI ALL IN Wonder 128?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [expert] EXPERTS are needed for NIGHTMARISH Ver 7.1 Install
> problem help
>
>
>
>
> Maybe I missed this but what version of XFree86 server are you running? I
> had a 1 day nightmare trying to use XFree 4  I un-installed
> the RPM and
> dove for 3.3.6 (or which ever version the other one was) and had no
> problems with it.
>
> Lonny Selinger
> Systems Adminstration
> EDS Canada
>
> -- Linux is user friendly ... its just picky about who it makes friends
> with.
>
>

[expert] SLOW boot

[Gil Baron W0MN]

My boot proceeds pretty well until it gets to the starting AMD stage. What
is AMD and why would it take over 1 minute at times? Sometimes it is
instantaneous or nearly so.

--
Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
"Hierro candente, batir de repente"

RE: [expert] SLOW boot

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> -Original Message-
> From: Ellick Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:28 AM
> To: AA/MandrakeExpert
> Subject: Re: [expert] SLOW boot
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Gil Baron W0MN wrote:
> 
> > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:22:31 -0500
> > From: Gil Baron W0MN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: AA/MandrakeExpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [expert] SLOW boot
> > 
> > My boot proceeds pretty well until it gets to the starting AMD 
> stage. What
> > is AMD and why would it take over 1 minute at times? Sometimes it is
> > instantaneous or nearly so.
> >
> According to the manpage of amd, it is  an automatic filesystem mounter,
> that fakes itself as an nfs server, I have had similar symtoms in the
> past, but stopped using amd. The mere act of faking an nfs server is
> probably the reason for it's erratic behavior, as conditions such as
> network connectivity, and other such variables become hard to juggle. 
> Another possible cause is an error in /etc/hosts, as it heavily relies on
> this file.  My recommendation is to disable it entirely.

How?
TIA.

> 
>  > --
> > Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
> > 44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
> > "Hierro candente, batir de repente"
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Ellick Chan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jul 17
> 
> 

RE: [expert] SUCCESS believe it or not

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Louis Debert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] SUCCESS believe it or not
> 
> 
> Gil Baron W0MN wrote:
> > 
> > My nightmare may be coming to and end.
> > I did a reinstall of Version 7.0 and then an upgrade to version 
> 7.1. The X
> > comes up now and I have a 640 x 480 system. The network works 
> also, on the
> > cable modem too!
> 
> Did you ever try the frame buffer X server ??? Since your card is
> fairly recent, it should work (it only needs a card with a VESA 2.x
> BIOS)
> and it would give you access to all video modes supported by the
> card's
> BIOS (you'd have the resolution but not the acceleration AFAIK).

How do I do that?
TIA

> 
> > > My other system VOODOO BANSHEE is supported in version 7 but fails in
> > > version 7.1. GO figure.
> 
> I repeat, I also have a Voodoo Banshee and I had no problem whatsoever 
> when installing 7.1. So it must be something specific to your system.
> Did you activate VGA IRQ in your BIOS ?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 74 Annemasse  France
> old Linux fan
> 

[expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem

[Gil Baron W0MN]

I am trying to install 7.1 on a second machine.
I get at the Setup Filesystems step
Error Unable to find a valid device to use to create a file system. Check
your hardware ...

The only problem is that I have a file system. it was created with PM and
has nothing on it and PM says no errors on the drive..

THE BIGGER PROBLEM is that it WORKS PERFECTLY with version 7.0.

I don't understand this at all. It is a situation that shows Mandrake has
done nothing but regression with version 7.1

DO NOT BUY IT!

Maybe I am missing something here. If 7.0 installs then 7.1 should also
install, no?


--
Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
"Hierro candente, batir de repente"

RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem

[Gil Baron W0MN]

More information on this error.
I installed 7.0 and try to upgrade with 7.1 and I still get the error. Why
would they be setting up filesystems in an upgrade in any case?

The ACTUAL ERROR shown when I exit install is as follows:

Entering Step "'Setup filesystems'
error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313

Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do. I could boot
to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do..

BOY I hope they fix this!


> -Original Message-
> From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:12 PM
> To: AA/MandrakeExpert
> Subject: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
>
>
> I am trying to install 7.1 on a second machine.
> I get at the Setup Filesystems step
> Error Unable to find a valid device to use to create a file system. Check
> your hardware ...
>
> The only problem is that I have a file system. it was created with PM and
> has nothing on it and PM says no errors on the drive..
>
> THE BIGGER PROBLEM is that it WORKS PERFECTLY with version 7.0.
>
> I don't understand this at all. It is a situation that shows Mandrake has
> done nothing but regression with version 7.1
>
> DO NOT BUY IT!
>
> Maybe I am missing something here. If 7.0 installs then 7.1 should also
> install, no?
>
>
> --
> Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
> 44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
> "Hierro candente, batir de repente"
>

[expert] More version 7.1 problems

[Gil Baron W0MN]

With version 7.0 all the icons on the panel at the bottom are about the same
in root and in user modes. In version 7.1 I get almost nothing except KDE
Icon. Why, and how do you add icons to the bottom. I want my Konsole start
ICON for instance and my calculator and all the rest.

For that matter, how do you add icons to the desktop. In Windows you just
find the file executable and make a shortcut. It is usually Very easy to
find because the name is almost always the name of the application. Is there
a similar thing here and if so, how do I find out what the name of the
programs I want might be.




--
Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/
44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27
"Hierro candente, batir de repente"

RE: [expert] More version 7.1 problems

[Gil Baron W0MN]

Thanks a lot for the help. I will try this. Too bad the help does not make
it so clear. Thanks again.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Swain
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] More version 7.1 problems
>
>
> Gil,
> Adding Icons to the desktop in Linux (KDE) isn't much more difficult.
> To add an icon to the desktop, you will need to do the following:
> 1. right click on the desktop  and select NEW option.
> 2. from the NEW popup list, select the type of shortcut you want.
> (if its an
> application shortcut, or a folder short cut ..etc.)
> 3. plug in the properties and your set.
>
> To add something to the panel you goto the main menu and then to  the
> PANEL MENU and then select  add application. The rest is self explanatory.
>
> --T.
>

RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem

[Gil Baron W0MN]

Read my post and you will see. It is in this thread earlier.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Swain
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
> 
> 
> Sarang,
> What kind of problems are you having? I have found 7.1 to be a nice
> experience so far. The applications and the installation are much more
> cohesive and organized than any previous version. Infact, out of 
> the box, 7.1
> required less time and customization than any dist. I have used. 
> I am sorry
> that your experience hasn't been as joyous, but for me 7.1 has just
> exemplified all the reasons that  Mandrake is the dist of choice 
> for me and
> our LUG.
> 
> Sarang Lakare wrote:
> 
> > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had 
> fallen in love
> > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it
> > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and 
> machines that
> > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is 
> that crappy
> > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade!
> >
> > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give 
> out a beta
> > product.
> >
> > -sarang
> 

RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> -Original Message-
> From: Vincent Danen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 05:24:53PM -0400, Sarang Lakare wrote:
>
> > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had
> fallen in love
> > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it
> > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and
> machines that
> > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is
> that crappy
> > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade!
> >
> > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give
> out a beta
> > product.
>
> You must be somewhat mistaken.  Perhaps you can give us some details
> so that we can improve the next version or perhaps tell you how to
> fix the problems you are having?
>

OBVIOUSLY you did not read my problem. I cannot install (CLEAN) on a machine
that took 7.0 fine..
I also keep losing my mouse after adding the things for Wheel Mouse.

Wheel mouse does not set up automatically.
You still have not found a way to get the correct amount of memory. I don't
have that problem with windows or anything else. Pretty lame to have 256
megs and the OS thins you have 64.
My BIOS reports correctly, maybe there is problem in the program report but
on my startup it shows correctly and none of the windows install ha a
problem with it.

My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu bar at the top.

Many little things like this that do not happen in 7.0. I am pretty much
ready to give up on 7.0 AND ON MANDRAKE  if this does not improve soon. It
is obviously tested but not enough. There a re TOO MANY people here having
problems. You must not read them all.



> Yes, the upgrade takes way too long.  I think everyone knows and
> agress on that.  But I don't understand the rest of it.. what
> hardware are you using?  What type of system?  What type of install?
> Most importantly, what are the problems you are having?  Blanket
> statements of this type do no one any good.
>
> FYI, I have installed 7.1 on three machines that used to run 7.0 and
> in all instances 7.1 is working flawlessly.  I didn't perform an

AGAING , check my probvlems.
Works on one and not on the other.



Current Linux uptime: 10 days 15 hours 8 minutes.

This is a useless statistic if it is not doing what you want, AND if you
can't install in the first place.
I have kept WIN98 OF ALL THINGS up longer than that.

RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem

[Gil Baron W0MN]

>
> I did read your problem.  Perhaps you should read it again.  You say
> "cannot install (CLEAN)" yet nowhere in the message above, quoted so
> you can read what you wrote in the first place, doesn't once mention
> the word "clean".  Yes I see you wrote "... don't work and machines
> that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1..", *that* I
> understood.  Nowhere did you mention clean.  Perhaps if you'd like a
> little help you could drop the attitude please?
>

I did not mention it because it does not matter. I get the same error in
both cases. You have not answered why I get the error about the setting up
file systems. Here I copy the error again.

The ACTUAL ERROR shown when I exit install is as follows:

Entering Step "'Setup filesystems'
error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313

Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do. I could boot
to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do..


I think you would have to agree that it is frustrating to buy the
distribution and then not be able to use it when I was able to use the
previous on the same machine. I can't do anything to help until I have it
installed can I?


> > I also keep losing my mouse after adding the things for Wheel Mouse.
>
> You never mentioned this before.  Now we see one of the "problems"
> you mention.  Perhaps try downgrading your version of imwheel to the

The wheel mouse works so poorly that it is not wroth bothering with at this
time. It moves too far on each turn and there is no adjustment like there is
in the intellimouse software under windows. It also only works in root. I
don't think the user should have to go through so much to get something
working that is supposed to work out of the box. If I were using the cooler
version I could understand, but the distribution is at most a beta at this
point.



> do you mean by "losing my mouse"?  Does it disappear?  Does it
> freezer in one spot on the screen?  How do you correct the problem?
> Do you reboot?  Do you log out then back in to get it to work again?


I mean there is no mouse cursor and I have no way to do anything in KDE that
needs a mouse (almost everything) so I have to reboot and them it often
comes back. I finally removed all of the configuration things for the wheel
mouse and it seems ok now, another reason to forget about it.


> Do you restart the X server and it works?
>

No as there is no way to do this when the gui is up and you have no mouse.
That is another problem, Ctl Alt Backspace does not go to the shell, KDE
comes back up, still no mouse. Even when the mouse is working the only way
to get to the shell is to change the boot mode and reboot.


>
> it would be nice to have it work straight out of the box, I agree.
> But is it really that difficult to tell Mandrake, during the install,

But if you miss it during the install you are out of luck unless you know
what to change it what configuration file. The documentation is hard to find
if it exists for such tings. The help files should tell you exactly what to
do with every config file. AIX which is the IBM version of UNIX is VERY good
with this. I have used AIX and have very few problems. It is vastly superior
to Linux.

>
> As far as the wheel mouse being setup automatically... is it
> connected via PS/2 or USB?  You have to remember that for a lot of

It is a PS/2 mouse, that should work at the very least as it is the
ubiquitous form of the mouse.

> this hardware stuff, people have to reverse engineer drivers or write
> their own in order to use them which makes Linux's compatability with
> hardware sometimes tricky.  Yes, it's gotten much better than it used

This I understand but it makes it very tough on the users.


>
> > My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu bar at the top.
>
> So?  Move them!  When I installed, it made links for every connected
> device... CD-ROMs, ZIP drives, etc.  I don't want those icons on my

I do move them but the problem is they do not stay moved they just go back
to the default place on the next boot. That needs to be fixed too. I
certainly am not going to move them all every BOOT. Actually I found a
refresh desktop fixes it up pretty well or moving the bar form the top down
to the bottom, but it is sort t of frustrating and not well done.

>
>
> > Many little things like this that do not happen in 7.0. I am pretty much
> > ready to give up on 7.0 AND ON MANDRAKE  if this does not
> improve soon. It

Actually I meant give up on 7.1. Version 7 probably will do all that I need.
I am actually using it only to get familiar with it and not as my main OS.
that will never happen at home at this rate. It is much more likely that
Windows 2000 will fill that spot. If not, probably just stay with WIN98.



>
> While I agree that the beta testing period for 7.1 could have been
> longer, my experiences with 7.1 do not lead me to the same degree of
> That is certain. It should not have been released as a 

RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem

[Gil Baron W0MN]

> > Entering Step "'Setup filesystems'
> > error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313
>
> Hmmm...  I think this is a problem with partition tables, like
> Civilme mentioned.  Did you try re-partitioning the drive with the
> installer?
>

I did not do this because I cannot even get that far. I also must use PM
because your partition utility will not give me the needed FAT32 partitions
for DOS and Windows. If PM 5 will not work then I am in big trouble. I also
use Boot Magic. That also must work, LILO cannot do all I need and not
nearly as nicely.
I may try to see if I can find a way to partition with the installer to see
what happened but I did redo the entire drive with PM and if that is the
problem WHY did it work PERFECTLY on 7.0 and continues to work perfectly on
7.0.

> > Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do.
> I could boot
> > to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do..
>
> There probably is, by manually upgrading each RPM and following
> dependencies.  This probably isn't your (or my) idea of good time,
> however.
>

NOOP that is all I could think of. :-)


>
> I hadn't see or replied to), left me with very little to go on.  I
> simply saw a "bash Mandrake" message and responded to it.
>

Not really intended that way.


>
> Just out of curiousity, but are you trying this with XFree86 4 or
> 3.3.6?  And, again, you have to remember that hardware like the
> intellimouse was designed for Windows and we have to figure out a way


Version 3.3.6.



>
> So you can use the mouse as a regular mouse, you just can't use the
> scrolling wheel?  When imwheel is running is when you have all the
> problems?
>

True.


> However, if you need to get to a shell prompt, just press "Alt-F1"
> and you will get a shell prompt.  You don't need to change the boot
> mode and reboot if all you want is the console.  I switch back and
> forth from X to the console all the time without rebooting my
> machine.
>

Thanks for that tip. All could find was the other sequence.
There should really be an option on the GUI for this.

> > > it would be nice to have it work straight out of the box, I agree.
> > > But is it really that difficult to tell Mandrake, during the install,
> >


No, I have done that but it did not seem to work. Maybe it was my
imagination. It is very hard to tell what it thinks it has.


>
> I've never had the opportunity to look at AIX, but it certainly
> sounds like the documentation is better than what came with OS/2.
> For most of OS/2 you were more in the dark or had far more cryptic
> documentation than with Linux.  Looks like they must have done
> something right with AIX.

Yes they did. The sales of the RS 6000 servers are going through the roof.
They can't make enough of them here in Rochester.



>
> > > this hardware stuff, people have to reverse engineer drivers or write
> > > their own in order to use them which makes Linux's compatability with
> > > hardware sometimes tricky.  Yes, it's gotten much better than it used
> >

And I guess that is the problem. I hope you can realize that I cannot be
expected to be happy when all of my nice hardware does not work or does not
work well.

Diamond monster sound card.
HP Scan Jet 5100C
Yamaha CD Writer
Intellimouse
Viper II video (I sewitced to the 3dfx Voodoo 3 and that wroks but no
accelerated in 7.0 )
HP 855C Desk Jet  (works but not ver well)

And it goes on. Until I get support for this not so esoteric hardware it is
gooing to be hard to liek Linux. Only the VIPER II could be caleed cutting
edge, and perhaps the Intellimouse. Nevertheless, I love my mouse and will
not long use what does not fully support it. You get used to teh wheel and
can't live without it.



>
> > > > My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu
> bar at the top.

> the top down
> > to the bottom, but it is sort t of frustrating and not well done.
>
> This is extremely odd.  Now, I gather you're using KDE, right?  I
> don't use KDE much myself but perhaps it's a permission issue?  Do


Certainly not a permission thing. It does the same thing as root.


>
> Well, I sincerely hope that doesn't happen.  I've never been much of
> a Windows users.. before Linux I used OS/2 exclusively.  But I do
> have a Win98 machine and am totally unimpressed with it.  It causes
> me more grief than the other 5 Linux Mandrake computers combined.  I
> hope we can resolve these issues for you so you don't have to resign
> yourself to WinSomething-or-Other.
>

 One problem is the hardware support, that is true. Perhaps even more sever
is the hidden cost of application replacement.
There are no appoications I knwo of to replace with anything close to the
saem fucntiona  lot fo my applications. If I give up on windows and switch
to Linux I lose the Hundresd of dollars I have spent. I also lose those
enteirylthat have no replacement. A very good thign to have would be a cross
reference list with as many widow apps as possible and