Re: [expert] Dualboot/Multiboot
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 23:48, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 15:01, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday October 16 2003 01:03 pm, Ricardo (Tru64 User) wrote: www.phatlinux.com runs linux on a windoze partition, even on windoze XP/NTFS. Catch? It aint freee.nominal fee however. That was my first look at Mandrake (6.0). Then phatlinux was free. IIRC a 170mb zip file, expanded to about 500mb in a Windoze fat32 directory, C:\Mandrake. I was dual bootin Red Hat and Winblows at the time. I played around with phat for a short time, liked KDE, so I got 'real' Mandrake CD's and replaced RH ;) Didn't MDK at one time have a product that did linux on windows? If I remember right it was slower than honey during an Alaskan winter. James yes,, not really a Mandrake product, lin4win, I thought it was a choice if you are in windows when you put the CD in and it 'autostarted', at least it used to be. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dualboot/Multiboot
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 11:22, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 17 Oct 2003 1:09 pm, ed tharp wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 23:48, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 15:01, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday October 16 2003 01:03 pm, Ricardo (Tru64 User) wrote: www.phatlinux.com runs linux on a windoze partition, even on windoze XP/NTFS. Catch? It aint freee.nominal fee however. That was my first look at Mandrake (6.0). Then phatlinux was free. IIRC a 170mb zip file, expanded to about 500mb in a Windoze fat32 directory, C:\Mandrake. I was dual bootin Red Hat and Winblows at the time. I played around with phat for a short time, liked KDE, so I got 'real' Mandrake CD's and replaced RH ;) Didn't MDK at one time have a product that did linux on windows? If I remember right it was slower than honey during an Alaskan winter. James yes,, not really a Mandrake product, lin4win, I thought it was a choice if you are in windows when you put the CD in and it 'autostarted', at least it used to be. Mandrake offered a trial of win4lin with 9.0. I installed it, and am still with it. As long as you are running win98 it is great. Windows runs inside linux, I can run it in a windows that is near full-screen but still keeping the kicker bar visible, and swap backwards and forwards as necessary. It uses your linux drivers for peripherals, so it's not a solution for unsupported peripherals. Perhaps it was an older version that was slow, but I find it as fast as native windows, and incredibly stable. On the rare occasion that it has gone down you can of course get out of it without downing your linux, so I'm very happy with it. Anne that was win4lin , to run windows inside a linux file system (secure, and not to slow). not Lin4win, to run linux on a M$ file system (insecure,no permissions, emulated and slow,) -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 11:29, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:46, Eric Fernandez wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# urpmq kernel-headers glibc-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# rpm -qf /usr/include/linux glibc-devel-2.3.2-15mdk curiouser and curiouser... I can't find a kernel-headers package either, but I know that my kernel-source wasn't installed the last time I reconfigured vmware. ahh, cause the headers are included with glibc, so they match the compiler??? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dualboot/Multiboot
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:51, Felix Miata wrote: ed tharp wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 13:08, Felix Miata wrote: Yes, dual does mean 2 - 2 exactly. But, multi means more than 1. So, the two terms can easily be confused when the actual count is two. The difference is multiboot uses some type of boot manager that is capable of switching among two *or more*, while dualboot is crude, normally incapable of more than two. AFAIK, IBM first made the distinction back before Torvalds' kernel was first used for GPL operating systems, sometime around 1987 I think, certainly by 1990. Dos 6, with a boot menu, iirc That was M$ in March 1993, which has nothing to do with what I wrote. DOS 6 boot menu is about choosing different configurations for one OS on one partition. No kernel switching or choosing is involved. IBM's first public distinction dates to the April 1992 release of the IBM Boot Manager in OS/2 2.0, which provided the option to install several operating systems on several partitions and choose among them via menu on each boot. This was provided as an alternative to installing OS/2 on the same partition as DOS, the dual boot option. The conception of IBM Boot Manager apparently dates back to 1983, when IBM first planned to have DOS and Xenix coexist on its PCs. i stand corrected, and now understand better (and remember) ... thank you -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 00:17, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James disk 3 download is 652 megs Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 and Windows Compatibility
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 11:36, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:35, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:31:08 -0700 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: where did you see this? http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_0.phpid_art=342LANG_=en#GOTO_342 K cool ... looks like they are bundling Win4Lin demo in with the Discovery cd set. I'm looking for the proof of this but this seems to be the case. (I'd seen the rumours, and win4lin kernels are in cooker contrib) Jams I hope it is win4lin, and not lin4win. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dualboot/Multiboot
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 13:08, Felix Miata wrote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Felix Miata schrieb am Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:17:57 -0400: Run Windows and Linux from same boot partition = Dualboot Run Windows and Linux different partitions on the same PC = Multiboot Huh? I thought the difference between dualboot and multiboot was the number of systems? Dualboot= 2 different systems, multiboot = more than 2 different systems. Yes, dual does mean 2 - 2 exactly. But, multi means more than 1. So, the two terms can easily be confused when the actual count is two. The difference is multiboot uses some type of boot manager that is capable of switching among two *or more*, while dualboot is crude, normally incapable of more than two. AFAIK, IBM first made the distinction back before Torvalds' kernel was first used for GPL operating systems, sometime around 1987 I think, certainly by 1990. Dos 6, with a boot menu, iirc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] symlinks to vfat partition
is it possible to make a symlink (ln -s) across filesystems? can I make a link to a folder on a vfat partition (or CDrom for that matter) that will show up in my /var? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:42, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 08:24, Jack Coates wrote: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:17, Bryan Phinney wrote: ... This really depends on what the web site or application is doing. If you code for Opera, then you can be 98% sure that it will work with other browsers because Opera only supports W3 Consortium standards which are industry standards. Now, you may not be able to use that neato-cool proprietary technology to do your work which might mean that the developers have to put more effort into their coding, but you will be fairly certain of compatibility. you make the fatal assumption that IE supports the standard. It doesn't. Standard code works on IE if it's really really simple, but frequently breaks in ugly ways. Transparent PNGs. PNGs at all (color is off). Advanced CSS features, like flow. Many advanced Javascript form functions. Ya gotta remember IE and in fact much of windows is 4 or 5 year old tech. (just new graphics in many cases.) With new modules added on. James you are older than you think, if you think much of windows is 4 or 5 year old. G __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] testing - problems with postfix?
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:30, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Tuesday 14 October 2003 08:51 pm, Praedor Tempus wrote: test I suddenly can no longer send emails from my local mailserver. Is THIS getting through? not here, did what get through? and I did not read any other 2 tests from you. Yep. -- cmg __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] wav to mp3 enmasse?
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 09:00, bascule wrote: basename will remove trailing suffixes: mv $i $(basename $i .OK) this removes '.OK' from the end of filenames but nowhere else bascule Thank you, I learned something good today. On Monday 13 Oct 2003 9:15 am, Brian Parish wrote: for i in *.OK; do mv $i `echo $i | tr -d '.OK'`;done; removes the .OK just fine, but also removes ., O and K wherever they occur. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Error during installation (RC2)
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 01:15, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Hi, Yesterday I presented Mandrake Linux to some guys and gave them a copy of the RC2 CDs from which I installed on 2 machines without problems. So the ISOs are correct. One of them started right away as soon as he came home and mailed: During 'System installation' an error occurred: --- /mnt/tmp/drakx-images/pubbeta-CLUB.png.small.png: Image file '/mnt/tmp/drakx-images/pubbeta-CLUB.png.small.png' contains no data. --- I don't know his machine or any other information. I gave him 3 points as a first aid: 1. Try a text installation 2. Monitor the tty2 and tty4 logs for further error messages 3. Maybe the CDs I burned on my machine don't work 100% on his CD drive. Any other suggestions? wobo imho, all three of your answers are dead on. I bet his cd reader is over 3 years old, well used. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] All I want to do is FTP
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 05:07, James wrote: Ok.. thank you all for your help. I now have ProFTPD installed. Though, I still don't know what to do to get it working. I typed service proftpd start and it started ok. The config is the original base set up for anonymous login. I don't want that. I just want to allow certain individuals, such as myself, ftp access. All of the previous suggestions made here on this mail list have been lost. My hard drive crashed a few days ago, and I have lost everything not saved on CD, including emails. Anyway, I have ProFTPD running, I just need a good configuration file to allow specific users. Thanks again. james I don't use proftp, so I ain't much help there. but anything on this list is in the archive. http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/expert/; so it ain't lost. there is also an archive at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com (that searches a little better, imho) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Error during installation (RC2)
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 08:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ed tharp schrieb am 12 Oct 2003 07:50:17 -0400: I gave him 3 points as a first aid: 1. Try a text installation 2. Monitor the tty2 and tty4 logs for further error messages 3. Maybe the CDs I burned on my machine don't work 100% on his CD drive. Any other suggestions? wobo imho, all three of your answers are dead on. I bet his cd reader is over 3 years old, well used. He just phoned me and told me that he tried again this morning and everything worked well without errors. He even sent his first mail from Linux (Evolution, HTML formatted!). Maybe a hickup of the cd drive? :) Anyhow, Linux is spreading! BTW: We'll have to face a whole lot of little girls swarming all over Linux at the end of this year: http://qrxx.4t.com/barbieOS.htm wobo is that for real? the barbie stuff? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] winnt/system32/cmd.exe replaced with 300meg movie
I am considering sending every win box that is requesting winnt/system32/cmd.exe with an 300 meg avi, renamed cmd.exe, and stored in a folder off my Apache Document root named winnt/system32. I am wondering about the drawbacks, other than the bandwidth waste and tying up my pipe. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] winnt/system32/cmd.exe replaced with 300meg movie
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 10:34, Jack Coates wrote: On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 06:31, ed tharp wrote: I am considering sending every win box that is requesting winnt/system32/cmd.exe with an 300 meg avi, renamed cmd.exe, and stored in a folder off my Apache Document root named winnt/system32. I am wondering about the drawbacks, other than the bandwidth waste and tying up my pipe. bandwidth waste, and the risk that at some point the worm will be smart enough to be doing redirection. The bandwidth usage will likely be extreme. Have a look at my loopback solution: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/lrp/deworming.html I like that much better thank you, -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] nvidia driver - no console display (urgent help needed)
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 07:25, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:26:39 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Just installed the current NVIDIA drivers from the NVIDIA site. Everything works good (3D games, mplayer videos). I have a laptop with GeForce4 and the problem is that since I installed the nvidia driver I can't switch to tty1-6. I mean, I can switch to the console with Ctrl-Alt-Fn but there's nothing displayed there. I can blindly login and go back to tty7 and the /var/log/messages tells me that I logged in on tty1 (or 2-5). But the screen is dark. I tried all kinds of vga=xxx in my lilo.conf but after the nvidia driver is loaded my console screen is dark. When I disable the nvidia driver everything is ok on console. I'm almost positive there was a thread on this just a short while ago, and I do believe that was the crux of the problem. IIRC, it involved disabling FrameBuffer mode altogether, but I may be wrong. Is there a way out of this? I'll have to do a presentation of Linux features tonight and I'd really like to show the console benefits but I have to keep the nvidia driver because those guys are also gamers. I'll take a quick look through the archives for ya, I owe ya one... ;-) Just one? what does his /etc/lilo.conf say about vga=xxx -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 17:24, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:41:46 -0700 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: It comes up right next to the Apache button if MSIE is used to visit any of my web pages. This looks to me like the best balance of advocacy without limiting choice. Wow. I actually maybe kinda somehow in a small way started something. There's two people. Any more? BTW, I like the BLINK, it's just annoying enough to work! ;-) here's mine: www.orderinchaos.org/ie_reject.php IIRC, IE doesn't support 'blink'... it's wasted -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 23:39, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 06 October 2003 07:28 pm, ed tharp wrote: I don't know if it is an issue for you, but I had to issue a couple of commands to get other permissions straight for some programs. have you tried as root with out the quotes; cd /etc/security/ chmod 0666 /dev/nvidia* chown root /dev/nvidia* and see if it helps. Oh that stuff - yeah, thats pretty standard and I do it almost out of habit whenever I install nvidia stuff. grin thanks though! Er, wait a minute - why do you change to /etc/security then change permissions/ownership in a different place - /dev/nvidia? I don't quite understand that.../dev is not in /etc/security. Thanks. you are correct, that was me not paying attention very well as I copy and pasted the history from a term window... sorry for the confusion -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:51, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 05 October 2003 06:21 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if suid would make a difference? Although, I'm using mdk9.1 on this particular machine and the only thing is, I have devfs=nomount in my lilo.conf. Other than that, all I did was urpmi the gnomemeeting packages and then I went to the gnomemeeting site this morning and grabbed the latest mandrake rpms and urpmi'd them. My problem is a bit different, but I'm able to bring the program up with no problems. Stupid question, and it really shouldn't matter anyway, but what kind of camera is it? but what would suid give as an advantage over having to go to root now anyways? I mean I can su and it runs fine - just not my normal user account. Its a Logitech 3000 Quickcam (usb). Thanks. do you have an nvidia video card? running Nvidia drivers? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 12:09, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 06 October 2003 11:58 am, ed tharp wrote: do you have an nvidia video card? running Nvidia drivers? Yep, sure do - is that an issue? Its a Ti4200, BTW...using the latest drivers. I don't know if it is an issue for you, but I had to issue a couple of commands to get other permissions straight for some programs. have you tried as root with out the quotes; cd /etc/security/ chmod 0666 /dev/nvidia* chown root /dev/nvidia* and see if it helps. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 18:53, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Mullen said: It may be worth noting that permissions on this and many other devices are controlled by the settings within one's /etc/security/console.perms file. What is the best way to view/edit this file? I checked it out with VI, but I was wondering if there were something better suited? Depends on what you like. I like VI others like Emacs... still more like kedit, gedit or some other graphical editor. It's a taste think more than anything else. cat,, so you just read it I wrestled with a similar problem recently, trying to get xawtv to work reliably on a 9.1 system with an older, Mach64-based ATI TV Wonder card. I ended up having to go with using sudo to run it, and created a menu entry and a desktop icon that invoked xawtv via sudo for the system's owner. So far, so good, but I would have preferred to find a more elegant solution. As this isn't a problem on 9.0 and earlier releases, something is borked in this regard on 9.1, I strongly suspect ... but what? I think as well, and not backed by facts but only supposition; when we start adding several multimedia apps / hardware to the computer, are we not losing the inherent security? I realize it´s not a good idea to run as root, even behind a firewall. I´ve wiped out similar named directories before by not obeying the rules, boy that hurts! But when you´re talking about a device driver - while not a purist approach - is it that important? __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No one answering on newbie :-(
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 07:17, Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 3:13 am, Anton wrote: I am trying to set up my mandrake 9.1 box to be the gateway to my recently created network with a single windoze ME machine on the private subnet. How does the MDK machine link to the Internet? Modem or router? If it is an ethernet router is it on the same ethernet network? Another issue is that the dhcp doesn't seem to be working. My advice would be to ditch DHCP; you might get it to work after fiddling around some more, but why bother? In my opinion it is unnecessary on a network with only two or three boxes. Set them all up to use hosts files, fixed IP addresses and fixed gateway addresses. (There is a hosts file on ME. It is somewhere under windows/system32 if I remember correctly.) anywhere in the 'path' works, but I use c:\ to place a 'hosts' file in ME and 9x. Dhcp works good too,,, but my bet would be your problem is in the gateway statement make sure you have gateway set on your ME machine to be the IP of the linux servers eth0 card, and to be 0.0.0.0 for the box doing the dialup, as the gateway will change as soon as ppp starts a connection and gets and IP from the ISP servers. If you set up a hosts file then you make DNS setup easier, since both boxes can use the ISP servers for external addresses, and hosts files for anything local. HTH (I never had any problem with ME, when it was on my laptop, but the people on the tech-support forum I frequent hate it with a passion.) -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 15:21, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 05 October 2003 02:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne Wilson said: I found that I could run satisfactorily as root, but not as user. I changed permissions as directed, but to no avail. (Also msec kept changing the permisisons back.) The end result was that the people who had tried to help me came to the conclusion that devfs was the problem. I'm signing off in a few hours, for a holiday. If you have any success would you mail me privately, so that I can search the archives if necessary? Thanks Anne You got it. I´ve just changed my video settings and I´m going to try to test it out this afternoon. I always disable devfs because it´s always had problems with my hardware (zips, compact flash, pda, you name it...). Anyway, I´ll let you know. -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com I also turn devfs(d) off and thats not the problem here. I'm still showing the same problems that Anne has - I can run Gnomemeeting perfectly as root, but not as user. :-( have you ever tried to see what error messages you get starting it from the cli? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:14, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
On Sunday 05 October 2003 03:56 pm, ed tharp wrote:
have you ever tried to see what error messages you get starting it from
the cli?
Yep, sure have - here is what it gives:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ gnomemeeting
Literally that, and nothing else. :-)
However, starting it in gui mode does give an error:
Error while opening video device /dev/video0
The chosen Video Image will be transmitted during calls. If you didn't choose
any image, then the default GnomeMeeting logo will be transmitted. Notice
that you can always transmit a given image or the GnomeMeeting logo by
choosing Picture as video device.
Could not open the chosen channel with the chosen video format.
So it comes down to what appears to be permissions on /dev/video0, since root
can run it.
I've changed it (as has Anne) umpteen times, even opening it to 777 status
but no go, I've also added every group (but root) to my user account and that
does not make a diff. either.
We're wide open for ideas here. :-)
who owns /dev/v4l/video?
ie;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] et]# ls -all /dev/vid ('tab' key pressed)
video video0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] et]# ls -all /dev/video0
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 10 Sep 28 16:07 /dev/video0 -
v4l/video 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] et]# ls -all /dev/video
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 10 Sep 28 16:07 /dev/video -
v4l/video0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] et]# ls -all /dev/v4l/v
vbi0video0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] et]# ls -all /dev/v4l/video0
crw---1 et sys 81, 0 Dec 31 1969 /dev/v4l/video0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] et]# ls -all /dev/v4l/
total 0
drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Dec 31 1969 ./
drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Dec 31 1969 ../
crw---1 et sys 81, 224 Dec 31 1969 vbi0
crw---1 et sys 81, 0 Dec 31 1969 video0
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Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald J. Hall said: Yep, sure have - here is what it gives: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ gnomemeeting Literally that, and nothing else. :-) However, starting it in gui mode does give an error: Error while opening video device /dev/video0 The chosen Video Image will be transmitted during calls. If you didn't choose any image, then the default GnomeMeeting logo will be transmitted. Notice that you can always transmit a given image or the GnomeMeeting logo by choosing Picture as video device. Could not open the chosen channel with the chosen video format. So it comes down to what appears to be permissions on /dev/video0, since root can run it. I've changed it (as has Anne) umpteen times, even opening it to 777 status but no go, I've also added every group (but root) to my user account and that does not make a diff. either. We're wide open for ideas here. :-) I wonder if suid would make a difference? Although, I'm using mdk9.1 on this particular machine and the only thing is, I have devfs=nomount in my lilo.conf. Other than that, all I did was urpmi the gnomemeeting packages and then I went to the gnomemeeting site this morning and grabbed the latest mandrake rpms and urpmi'd them. My problem is a bit different, but I'm able to bring the program up with no problems. Stupid question, and it really shouldn't matter anyway, but what kind of camera is it? good question, and what sort of connection to the computer (usb? firewire? mine is connected to a wintv card via composite video cable. What is Mike's problem? and what do I do to see if I can connect? also, do I need to open some hole in my firewall? and on the (nat) router? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gnomemeeting / netmeeting
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald J. Hall said: Yep, sure have - here is what it gives: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ gnomemeeting Literally that, and nothing else. :-) However, starting it in gui mode does give an error: Error while opening video device /dev/video0 The chosen Video Image will be transmitted during calls. If you didn't choose any image, then the default GnomeMeeting logo will be transmitted. Notice that you can always transmit a given image or the GnomeMeeting logo by choosing Picture as video device. Could not open the chosen channel with the chosen video format. So it comes down to what appears to be permissions on /dev/video0, since root can run it. I've changed it (as has Anne) umpteen times, even opening it to 777 status but no go, I've also added every group (but root) to my user account and that does not make a diff. either. We're wide open for ideas here. :-) I wonder if suid would make a difference? Although, I'm using mdk9.1 on this particular machine and the only thing is, I have devfs=nomount in my lilo.conf. I don't and devfs works OK (I think) Other than that, all I did was urpmi the gnomemeeting packages and then I went to the gnomemeeting site this morning and grabbed the latest mandrake rpms and urpmi'd them. same with me, only I did that a while ago, but have never gotten around to seeing if it works until today. My problem is a bit different, but I'm able to bring the program up with no problems. Stupid question, and it really shouldn't matter anyway, but what kind of camera is it? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] setup email bounce
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 14:48, HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I want to be able to setup an email 'bounce' from my server. I want to be able to setup a black list which would reside on the server and contain certain email addresses or domains which upon receipt, would bounce right back to them with a custom message. and generate even *more* unnecessary traffic on the 'net! Yeeha! well he said he had too much coffee,,, see what caffeine does to you??? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] More list problems?
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 00:30, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 05:46, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:10:52 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the last couple of days I have suddenly found that I am seeing lots of replies for which the original post never arrived - one of them my own. I had not been having that problem previously - at least not for ages. Is anyone else experiencing new problems of missing posts? Anne I'm in direct contact with Charles Duval @ Mdk... from a trace this morning, I'm suspecting another site in Paris may be corrupting DNS for one of their list servers... This is looking like it may the source of all the delivery failures I'm seeing here. Didn't know Versign had a site in France...(*grin*) Rotflmao __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 10:26 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: WAIT!! this gives me an idea.. :oP since you could move the file.. how about mv .Mail-old /dev/null ?? Same for you Jack, try `mv chrome /dev/null` ... /dev/null being in a different partition, i doubt it will actually work, but what the hell.. HTH Damian Nice try, I believe I did get that suggestion before - here is the result: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null mv: cannot overwrite non-directory `/dev/null' with directory `.Mail-old/' ditto as root. :-) have you considered this mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null/ -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Can't Start KDE
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 21:19, Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, I had one system hang, now everytime I start KDE I get KDE Session Manager (ksmserver) caused an SIGSEGV error. I deleted .kde from /root. But problem still persists. How can I fix this? Regards, Norman just a guess... delete .kde from /home/whateverusernameyouuse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Xawtv problem
In MDK 9.1, with an NVidia Ti4400 vid card, I have just started having a problem with my winTV card (an early bt878) that as soon as it starts to display it kicks Xfree right down to a re-login. any ideas? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Xawtv problem
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 18:01, ed tharp wrote: In MDK 9.1, with an NVidia Ti4400 vid card, I have just started having a problem with my winTV card (an early bt878) that as soon as it starts to display it kicks Xfree right down to a re-login. any ideas? to add,,, It works fine when started from a term with 'xawtv' -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No mouse after installing Mandrake 9.1
don't shoot for top posting, and answer at the bottom, but what mouse? and have you tried running mousedrake as root after reboot? On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 02:31, Robin Rowe wrote: Hi. No mouse after first-time install of Mandrake 9.1. Mouse works fine during install and test lights correct buttons then. Doesn't work after reboot. Mouse pointer visible but won't move in X. Tried re-install. Still no dice. XFree86 reports, xf86OpenSerial: cannot open device /dev/psaux No such file or directory. It's right, no device # mknod /dev/psaux c 10 1 Still doesn't work. cat /proc/devices reports '10 misc' cat /proc/interrupts reports usb-ohci on interrupt 12 # rmmod usb-ohci cat /proc/interrupts doesn't list interrupt 12 Still doesn't work. XFree86 reports no such device instead of no such file or directory. Same machine has no problem running SuSE. Ideas? Thanks, Robin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hollywood, California www.CinePaint.org Free motion picture and still image editing software __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] !!! Install problems on compaq server!!!
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 03:16, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there all. (I did not get any avswer on the newbie list, so I hope that you all forgive me that I'm trying on this list) I am a totally newbie folks, and I have tried to install Mandrake 9.1 on a old compac Pentium server (Prosignia 500) with 160 Mb ram. The problem is that Mandrake only detects 16Mb of ram for some reason all thou the system counts 160Mb on POST. The memory consists of 16 Mb onboard (soldered directly to the main board) and 72 pins simm for the rest. I have tried the option by hitting F1 during startup and write linux mem=160M but after some seconds Mandrake replies: Kernel Panic: Unable to mount root fs on 01:03, and there it hangs I hope there are someone who can help me with an advice what to do.. In advance, thanks Terje.. have you tried to pass mem=128M? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake 9.2
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:35, Lawson, Jim wrote: Request that prelude be put back in Mandrake 9.2 James S. Lawson Network Manager Brown Raysman Millstein Felder Steiner 900 Third Avenue New York, NY 10022 Tel: (212) 895-2679 A little late for that bud,,, but you 'should' be able to urpmi prelude in a wee or so... (@ @) oOO--(_)--OOo- Notice: This message, and any attached file, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this e-mail message should be construed as a legal opinion. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ed tharp schrieb am 21 Sep 2003 21:03:49 -0400: not Hochspier in the Pfalzerwald? No. wobo Thank God I knew a Wolfgang there, about the same time frame (late 60s early 70s), I wouldn't want _my_ past to effect the present... G Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 15:13, Rolf Pedersen wrote: HaywireMac wrote: On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:42:37 -0700 Rolf Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: That none of these critics and dreamers has yet provided the world with a comparable, more profitable linux distribution suggests that, notwithstanding the possibilities of a million monkeys typing on a million keyboards for a million years, these lists are not the likely source of the proper tough decisions Mandrake must make in order to continue in the challenging, sometimes hostile, unpredictable corporate environment. well, us chattering monkeys should just keep our mouths shut, eh, ralphy boy? LOL! anyway, go take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut, ya snot-nosed bitch, if the sound of those typewriters in keeping you awake, go hide under a rock and us lowly end-users will try to keep it down a bit. QED Absent any logical refutation of my points, I suppose this eloquent exposition of your master of profanity will have to do. It seems those whose powers of reason fail to serve must resort to cruder expressions of agression. Alas, it would appear your 'powers' have abandoned you long before the Rice Krispies have lost their snap crackle and pop. Rolf Well, Far be it from me to have to appear to defend Haywire, but to a logical refutation of your points, ,,, That none of these critics and dreamers has yet provided the world with a comparable, more profitable linux distribution Well that might be _YOUR_ point, but as someone who has posted somewhat earlier in this thread, and to who's posts you may (it appears) be responding to before this latest input from Hatewire,, errr,,, Hey-wire, it never was the intent of anyone (before you interjected) to create a _new_ or different product,, (you seem to have that on your mind from my reading) as we are pretty sure the product tests out to be the best available,,, what we are discussing is any manner that the members of this group can CONSTRUCTIVELY contribute their own areas of expertise in some manner that will NOT reinvent the wheel, or interfere with the business of Mandrakesoft. Really I think almost everyone that contributed to this thread would rather shut up than have someone take the quote out of context and have it sound as though they were not pro-mandrake, but I also believe everyone that I have seen contribute to _this_ thread, so far, has already _earned_ the right to speak their mind on this subject, haywire excluded g due to lack of mind, not lack of earned right. So, that said, I am willing to take input (off list) from anyone with contacts or ideas, regarding the ability to distribute and print CDs and make sales to the major distributors in the USA of retail software, and even if I don't respond to your input, I welcome and promise to read it. I want it made clear that nothing will happen without the consent of Mandrakesoft, even though I know I can take the GPL version and do just as cheepbytes does, and that whatever (if anything) does come of it, it will be to AID Mandrakesoft. ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 16:35, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Well, you attribute to me only what Haywire quoted for his ends; not really that was all that was quoted, but I feel pretty confidant that I was also replying to the over all tenor of your post, and only since you brought up the 'a comparable, more profitable linux distribution' argument, which _is_ what I responded directly to. hardly fair. Did you read my original post? yes I explicitly quoted Lee Wiggers: Such comments as Mandrake 'don't try to make money' or 'shoot itself in the foot over and over again' are not, to my mind, particularly kind, productive, or even accurate. and went on to provide some documentation to the contrary. Please read that. I did, I have been on these lists long enough to see the same story play out over and over again. I'm sorry but I don't think developing alternate distribution strategies is a practical topic for this list. I agree, this list should not be discussing distribution methods at all, and that includes problems with the mandrake store,,, and I do know... but it ain't a perfect world... It's the sort of topic that has not yielded anything but OT ruminations for the three-and-a-half years that I am aware. I agree, but as far as _I_ have known, Mandrake had an agreement with McMillian for distribution, but ended it withing the three year period you are referring to. And _I_ have never considered doing anything as far as organizing an alternate method of distribution for Mandrakesoft, since _I_ did not want to step on any toes, or re-invent the same wheel that someone working as a mandrake soft employee was doing. Personally, I am tired of seeing both the speculative hypotheses of how Mandrake is screwing up and how to fix it on_this_list. then maybe a filter for this thread would work for you?? Maybe something could be accomplished but that is not born out by history and the noise is not justified by the small chance that that it will happen. yep, woulda, coulda and shoulda I know those guys well... I made a number of points that further include my observation that facile criticism and reasons for downloading without paying anything go, in large part, hand-in-hand. Not even to say that anyone in this thread practices such a thing but that, to allow such criticisms to go unchallenged, in my way of thinking, is to only make it easier for leechers to think they have a reason. Rolf Really I think almost everyone that contributed to this thread would rather shut up than have someone take the quote out of context and have it sound as though they were not pro-mandrake, but I also believe everyone that I have seen contribute to _this_ thread, so far, has already _earned_ the right to speak their mind on this subject, haywire excluded g due to lack of mind, not lack of earned right. So, that said, I am willing to take input (off list) from anyone with contacts or ideas, regarding the ability to distribute and print CDs and make sales to the major distributors in the USA of retail software, and even if I don't respond to your input, I welcome and promise to read it. I want it made clear that nothing will happen without the consent of Mandrakesoft, even though I know I can take the GPL version and do just as cheepbytes does, and that whatever (if anything) does come of it, it will be to AID Mandrakesoft. ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 18:20, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Dick Gevers schrieb am Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:02:59 +: On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:23:36 -0600, Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else: September 21, 2003 11:30 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Charlie M. schrieb am Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:48:51 -0600: Sorry for top-posting: Since it's going to happen again wobo it's OK. g Forgive me for disagreeing, but (look back please) WoBo wasn`t topposting. Damn! You caught me! I thought i could gather some DAU[1] points. [1] German: Duemmster Anzunehmender User = Dumbest Credible User, derived from the term GAU. GAU is an acronym for Groesster Anzunehmender Unfall and means Maximum Credible Accident (or Worst Case Scenario) in nuclear plants. wobo don't tell me them crazy Germans or American Military are letting WoBo near Nuke Power OMG...g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 18:27, Rolf Pedersen wrote: ed tharp wrote: taken either to private or the OT list at Rolf's discretion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 20:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ed tharp schrieb am 21 Sep 2003 18:30:48 -0400: don't tell me them crazy Germans or American Military are letting WoBo near Nuke Power OMG...g Not the Germans, but the American Military actually did! I spent some time being liason officer to a USAF group due to the fact that Germans are not allowed control over nuclear weapons. I was in artillery and the unit was shooting nuclear grenades which were under control of a USAF unit. Long time ago, that is. In the 60ies, 20th century. not Hochspier in the Pfalzerwald? BTW, ed, it's 'wobo', not WoBo. Just for the records. wobo __ Sorry and thank you for the tactful correction. But thinking about you and nukes,,, I think I might still say W Bo. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 03:06, James Sparenberg wrote: Actually I'm planning on waiting a week.. Why? Well I want to do a urpmi based upgrade. Let the mirrors coold down. follow the directions and see if I either 1. Have a working box. 2. Have a reason to re-install. I'm hoping for option 1. James And I am hoping you will let us know how it goes before I attempt the same on the production boxes I control... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 22:23, James Sparenberg wrote: Snip just some food for thought. ( I spent t much time in logistics the last 20 years. *sigh*) I can sure Identify with the last statement there... only I have more like but it occurs to me that logistics/distribution and advertising in the USA is the 2 areas where Mandrake sorely could use additional expertise. I can even understand in the current cash flow, how the concept of investing the capital in pressing and packaging 1 orders would stretch the cash beyond its ability,,, but that is also why I think an individual sub-contractor might be a good thingtrade... Having a contractor who appreciates the GPL as a community (and so gives back to the community fairly) is (in my view, anyway) almost as important as their ability to get the boxes shipped. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 06:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ed tharp schrieb am 19 Sep 2003 06:10:19 -0400: Having a contractor who appreciates the GPL as a community (and so gives back to the community fairly) is (in my view, anyway) almost as important as their ability to get the boxes shipped. You know any? Dealing with such contractors is not easy because most of the time they are also working for other companies. Take one of our resellers in Germany for example: They offer 4 different brands of Linux. Which one would they promote more which one less to their customers? But one of the main things at 9.1 was the *unavailability* of boxes. I stop by at our main IT book store here in Frankfurt, Germany. He has a vast supply of German and English books on Unix, Linux, the complete O'Reilly product line, etc. He claims to be able to get every Linux/Unix related book within short time. After he sold the first 20 Mandrake 9.1 PowerPacks he could not get any more from his wholesaler. He told me that they told him to wait for a couple of weeks. He refrained because after a couple of weeks it's not new anymore and people who'd bought will have downloaded the stuff. They want it now, not in a couple of weeks. I heard from other stores similar tales. This may have been due to the cash flow problems. wobo I would not call it cash flow, I would call it capitalization... but it's all the about the same after the wash __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] eth0 doesn't get IP through dhcp - Problem vanished
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 03:19, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:53:35 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Mullen schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT): On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Robert Thyberg wrote: Have had exactly the same problem, which is why this is being sent by Eudora!! Have 4-port router into a Cable modem. 2 Linux (9.2 rc2 and SuSE) and two Wins (2000 and XP). However mine has not accidently started working again altho I've tried all sorts of things. Reinstall seems to be the only thing to make it work for a while! Ideas?? Since you're using a router and trying to get an IP address from it (as opposed to a direct connection to the modem, where the address would come instead from your ISP), the simplest solution is to not use DHCP at all, and configure yourself a static address. Doesn't answer the why, but fixes the what once and for all ... :) Hmm, sounds reasonable and I used to work with static IPs until I bought this access point/router/switch. I couldn't get it to work with static IPs, only with dhcp. I may start another try when 9.2 final comes out and I switch my machines to the final. wobo Dunno if I've been having this problem; but my LAN connection would just stop receiving (as seen via other hosts) -- nothing would restore it other than reboot. Then, one day I discovered that disconnecting LAN cable and reconnecting it restored communication... I can reproduce the problem, and the cure, for me, is to first 'service network stop', then disconnect the cable/dsl modem. and the router. plug the cable modem back in until it has a good connection (this is seen in the order of the lights flashing) then turn back on the router, then 'service network start'. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NIC interrupts
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 09:35, Richard Bown wrote: Hi All, I've persuaded a friend after a lot of nagging to move over to linux, so he's bought the boxed MDK 9.1. The onboard network card was found but the interface eth0 would'nt come up as it complained the device was busy. So onboard NIC disabled in the bios and a card fitted , realtek 8139 clone. Eth0 comes up OK and data goes out , but not seeing anything incoming. The card is OK , checked on another machine. However the interrupt its using is INT 6, which if I remember correct is the interrupt reserved for the floppy drive. This makes me a little suspicious !, Is there away of forcing the interrupt for the NIC to use,its plug and pray . Thanks Richard correct the /etc/hosts and /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny first. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 07:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:12:28 -0700: One thing MDK has never been good at is tooting their own horn. I'm tired of seeing red hats and Lethargic Lizards at Linux world etc. We need more Top Hats *grin*. Although I agree to this in full I have to point out that we don't live in an ideal world. Sorry about that. Tooting your horn involves money upfront. If you want to see how Mandrake is able to toot their horn have a look at pictures of LinuxTag 2000 in Germany (one of the biggest European Linux events): http://www.wolf-b.de/linuxtag/linuxtag.html That was during the time when there was money to throw around. Now Mandrake is at a very tight budget, for once to make it out of Chaper 11 at the end of this year. Being presented at exhibitions, distributing boxes overseas (USA, Canada, Australia) is a costly venture which is right now just not paying back. This may change, of course (hopefully). wobo, during one of his rare moments of reality awareness Here's the thing, as I see it,,, since the three disks set is GPL, really there is only a couple of things needed, 1. some one to press the CDs, print the boxes and some instructions (ala cheepbytes) a logistics/distribution service, and the contacts able to make the sale to to the big three, then some one else to handle all the other retail in the USA. well that's about all I will say about this in an open forum.. L8R Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 00:52, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 01:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:15:47 -0700: Dunno with my luck I would just get a picture of Jlo and Affleck together. (Duck) And who's ass would you prefer? (g,dr) wobo I personally like my wifes but then, that's me (take it both ways) __ I would not even touch that line with Adbul Karreem Jabbar Grabowski. (a 7 foot Pole)g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700: Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to get the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more. But, the 20% drop in sales is consistent with the drop other software vendors and retailers are seeing across the board. My next question is. Why aren't SuSE, Red Hat, Walnut Creek (FreeBSD) Wasabi (NetBSD) and others cutting back on retail? They sell to the same demographic. Shouldn't they have similar problems? Who says, they don't? But they have had (still have) other distribution strategies and means than Mandrake from the start. Mandrake always offered the download edition before the boxed sets. All others (I don't know about BSD, so I leave those out) always had the boxed sets in the shops first. So their strategy is mainly based on selling boxes. Mandrake's business model is based on the Street Performer model. Now I don't want to go into a discussion of this! As said before, all other ditributors also suffer from the 20% drop in sales. But they can't re-organize their strategy so fast because customers are used to find boxes on shelves and wouldn't change habits that fast. I might offer this is one of the culture differences between Europeans and Americans. American customers change habits as fast as they drive, and in fact, it is generally agreed that American consumers will change purchasing habits even if greatly satisfied, just to see if there is a better product or service. It is FAR more important for visual name recognition, than for past quality performance as far as increasing sales. This is _the_ 'other' spot I see MDKsoft stumbling. I still do not think Apple would have survived until Steve Jobbs returned had there not been thousands of cars driving around with the apple logo on the back reminding folks there was some other computer besides wintel. I still think that just as shelve space means the very bottom line as far as eyes seeing the product exists (and to _very_ many Americans, if you don't see it on the shelf it must not exist any longer) the next most important is other forms of 'eye time'. If MDK could take advantage of just 3 outlets (Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and Compusa) that have their own distribution channels, I firmly believe that the quality of the product would do the rest. BTW, since this thread started I have ordered a vainity plate lic plate of MDKlinux. I have not been approved yet so I am not sure they will issue it,,, and it will be replacing '2 goo fee'... but if 1 person thinks about Mandrake when they see MDK, it will be worth the 28 bucks... to me anyway... For Mandrake it is no change. Production and distribution of boxes is a very cost consuming thing which is not very becoming to a company with a tight budget. So Mandrake is IMHO just doing what they had to do. wobo __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:01, ed tharp wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700: snip For Mandrake it is no change. Production and distribution of boxes is a very cost consuming thing which is not very becoming to a company with a tight budget. So Mandrake is IMHO just doing what they had to do. wobo yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who can put it together to be a hands off distribution contractor where the distribution and printing of the product are taken off MDKsofts hands, and done by someone with as much expertise in CD and booklet distribution and logistics as MDKsoft has at creating a great OS and Distribution. I would even argue that was the idea behind having McMillian as a 'partner', I also argue it was a correct idea, but may not have been implemented correctly. MDKsoft must seem like the smallest potato in the patch to an outfit like McMillian, where (if it is possible) a smaller distributor/publisher or instead of a combined distributor/publisher, individual distributor publisher might be able to offer the attention to quality that MDKsoft's product deserves. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 04:57, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:46 am, Eric Fernandez wrote: T. Ribbrock wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little shelf-space in the UK, but I have *never* seen a Mandrake box. There are Mandrake boxes in PCWorld in UK (9.1). Eric Really? I shall be going to the Huddersfield branch sometime this week. I'll see if they have any Anne When you look, see if the box has any mention of McMillian Publishing. THese are the same company that puts out Que books, and at one time was the USA (possibly IIRC for the English language Areas version) distributor for MDK, and may still be. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 04:34, Birkoff wrote: No ofense but can U really compare a 10$ sound chip with a 100$+ sound processor? Also don't forget that the sound processing is done by the CPU when you use the sound chip on the mobo. so the cpu load is higher than using a dedicate sound card. ahhh, NO an onboard chip does not necessarily take any more CPU than a pci or isa card, in fact it can make the overhead slightly less, but that is for a different topic... And what someone pays for something does not make it better... I have seen a person pay 3000.00 for a picture for their walls, and they thought it must be 'art' if it costs that much, but I went to Wal-mart and bought an almost exact picture for them to see, and it cost 45.00. I am pretty sure they came from the same source. which is better,,,? On Monday 15 September 2003 23:36, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:02:19 +0300 Birkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read all the replies, but here goes my opinions: - sound chip on the mobo real stinks. they arecheap solutions for cheap sound. My sugestion is to buy a separate soundcard (audigy2 from SB is an example.) I disagree here. The C-Media Electronics Inc|CM8738 [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] is an excellent onboard sound chip featuring 6-channel snd which I would rate equal to even a 'high-end' SB card in linux. lsmod Module Size Used byTainted: P ipt_LOG ipt_state ipt_multiport ipt_conntrack iptable_filter iptable_mangle iptable_nat] snd-seq-midi5632 0 (autoclean) (unused) snd-opl3-synth 13832 0 (autoclean) (unused) snd-seq-midi-emul 7524 0 (autoclean) [snd-opl3-synth] snd-seq-instr 8332 0 (autoclean) [snd-opl3-synth] snd-ainstr-fm 3192 0 (autoclean) [snd-opl3-synth] snd-seq-oss37152 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 6592 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss] snd-seq49840 2 [snd-seq-midi snd-opl3-synth snd-seq-midi-emul snd-seq-instr snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] snd-pcm-oss46820 0 snd-mixer-oss 15992 1 [snd-pcm-oss] snd-cmipci 26808 1 snd-pcm90592 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-cmipci] snd-page-alloc 10228 0 [snd-pcm] snd-mpu401-uart 5436 0 [snd-cmipci] snd-rawmidi19488 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-mpu401-uart] snd-opl3-lib9156 0 [snd-opl3-synth snd-cmipci] snd-timer 20932 0 [snd-seq snd-pcm snd-opl3-lib] snd-hwdep 6944 0 [snd-opl3-lib] snd-seq-device 6268 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-opl3-synth snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-rawmidi snd-opl3-lib] snd 46596 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-opl3-synth snd-seq-instr snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-cmipci snd-pcm snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-opl3-lib snd-timer snd-hwdep snd-seq-device] soundcore 7236 0 [snd] via-rhine 17360 1 (autoclean) As to network most AMD/VIA boards will also feature a VIA ethernet chip which is very good. Charles Birkoff __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 04:55, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:34 am, Birkoff wrote: No ofense but can U really compare a 10$ sound chip with a 100$+ sound processor? Also don't forget that the sound processing is done by the CPU when you use the sound chip on the mobo. so the cpu load is higher than using a dedicate sound card. Perhaps you could clear something up for me. How much audio processing is done during this sort of work - i.e. capture from Hi8 video tape or vhs video tape? The same machine would not normally be used for playback, so I need only to have something that will write a good audio stream, not reproduce it. Anne IMO, almost none,, the video is where the overhead is. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 02:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *** Lee Wiggers Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:33:06 -0400 : Let's see if I understand this. Mdk sells advertising for megabucks to companies who want to reach mdk users. Mdk users simply avoid gui install and avoid adverts. What a nice day. I' think there'll be small text-based ads in the text install then. Of course, the majority of users will use the graphics installer, so the ads will reach their readers. Well, for the 'knowing' there's always a way, isn't it? I guess the main thing will be the website ads. And so far I don't feel annoyed by the Mandrake ads, why should I be annoyed by Thwates or even AMD? It'll be a whole other story reading XXX-RPMs for the adult Linuxer! or Download jay-lo-ass-showing-1.0.1-1mdk.rpm NOW! ;-) wobo Hmm, I did an $ urpmi.update updates cooker cooker2 base-ftp hotties ; urpmi jay-lo-ass-showing and couldn't find this rpm- is it one of the plf packages? Please help me! I haven't been this excited about software in a long time! -DS Those are only available in the dirty old MANdrake version of the distro,,, but we are only allowed to speak of it on the OT list g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 04:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:15:47 -0700: Dunno with my luck I would just get a picture of Jlo and Affleck together. (Duck) And who's ass would you prefer? (g,dr) wobo I thought Ben was the ASS, I guess that should just be asshole??? __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 16:33, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: John Wilson schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:03 -0700: My assumption is that either the entry into bankruptcy protection messed up their distrubtion channels and McMillian pulled back or that someone just dropped the ball in North America. Sorry to say, but: no. I took the freedom to forward Anne Wilson's first message in this thread, starting with: I have moved to a new thread, in the hope that someone at MandrakeSoft, or at least, someone in touch with MandrakeSoft, might see it. I forwarded it to Gaël Duval, co-founder of MandrakeSoft, creator of Mandrake Linux, responsible for communications. I hope this is MandrakeSoft enough for you. Here's what he answered: quote In short: The overall Linux retail market (all distributions) in the USA has decreased by around 20% by year since year 2000. One of the reasons for this decline is that most users now have access to a high-bandwitdh access, so they prefer to download the ISOs. As a result we started to lose money on the US retail, so we agreed to stop it with our US distributor. At the same time, online services and MandrakeStore revenues are exploding, so it's certainly a better business model than pushing just one or two products in shelves. For instance, we sell maybe a dozen MandrakeSoft products on Store, it would be impossible to do in the retail. And we're thinking about selling dematerialized products for download (all pack ISOs for instance), which is really a more powerful business model. Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up again, we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also aware that being on shelves is good for mindshare. Regards, Gaël. unquote I can see his point. wobo If you ask me (and no one with any sense would) this really sounds like an interesting opportunity. I wonder what the total sales just in best buy and CompUSA would be __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Whoa there...
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 02:58, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:07:12AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:29:16 +0200: Linux companies are a necessary evil in my eyes. They're needed to help prevent monopolies from drowning the software world in proprietary lock-ins, as unfortunately, you need money for that. But they're not the essence of the movement in my opinion. They also provide convenience, something I have appreciated in the past and still do appreciate. You seem to forget some of the essential parts. What about the Open Source projects which are sponsored by Linux companies? You may ask yourself how far Linux would have evolved was it not that the main leaders (Linus et al) were sponsored by companies. Linus is a good example. He said Bye to Transmeta and stated explicitely that he appreciated the way Transmeta did not force him to work for his pay but let him as much time for Linux as he wanted/needed. [several examples for companies helping] Without the companies backing them up many developers of the Linux community would have to work on other stuff to earn their pay and so the projects they work for would have been delayed or not possible at all. I concede the point that those companies have helped greatly. However, I see to aspects: Some projects, as you say, would have been delayed - but nonetheless, they would still have happened, just slower. As for the projects that wouldn't have been possible: Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I think many of those included stuff, where proprietary things were involved - stuff, that had to be done from business to business. That's another aspect of what I mean with necessary evil. You're right that it couldn't have been done without them, but I still think it's a pity that it has to be that way. On the other hand, seeing that other projects (e.g. OpenBSD) can thrive without all those companies involved, there seem to be other ways as well. ahhh, no. BSD would be a kernel just as linux is just a kernel. I bet 100%of the companies using BSD and apache-PHP/mySQL on their webserver would not be there without mySQL, how good is BSD without any of the programs that are packed with it? same thing bud. On the other hand, with business comes vested interests and efforts to influence the whole thing, to use, and maybe even ab-use it (Caldera/SCO, anyone?). and why do you make a statement that sounds as though only businesses have vested interests? individuals come with vested interests as well as hidden and open prejudices. Sure, but why do you name just the most commercial? Why do you mix up Mandrake with other companies which always had a straight commercial poin of view? I was using Caldera/SCO as an example for the extreme this *can* lead to. why not Bonnie and Clyde as long as we are talking about misappropriations and taking something that you did not earn or pay for? It was not my intention to suggest that Mandrake (or even Red Hat or SuSE) are in that league, and I sure hope they will never be. But seeing those extremes does make me wary. Till then, it's the download version for me, knowing, that Mandrake at least still gets some money out of it. but no matter how good it is, you don't seem willing to _pay_ for the quality product you receive. damn shame (imho) Nobody denies you that. How could anybody? Download versions have been free (as in free beer) all the time. g I always wondered why of all words free is one that's defined so poorly in the English language, while that language can be so subtle otherwise. Amazing. :-) What you are saying is, now that the download version is polluted with ads you can use it without having a moral obligation to pay something for it, be it money or be it your time and talents. And this is IMHO at least debatable. See, I was afraid someone would do what you're doing here: You're turning my argument around by 180 degrees. I'm *not* preferring the download version because it still generates revenue for Mandrake while being cheaper for me. If you think that, I don't think you've read my previous mail well enough. I using the download version, because I *refuse* to pay for the boxed version the way Mandrake is planning to release it (i.e. with third party advertising). I even suggested an alternative: Release a fully ad-free version for 10% extra and watch me buying it... :-) If there wasn't a download version, I'd simply not use Mandrake in this case, simple as that. But the download version exists and the product is good enough, so I use it. This is just my way of telling Mandrake that they *can* have more money from me, just not this way. Regards, Thomas sarcasm tag ohhh,, right,,, did you buy any other sets? /sarcasm tag -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More:
Re: [expert] Re: Whoa there...
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 05:08, Guy Van Sanden wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:40, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200: Aha. How about this: If a product is good, I don't care whether I have to pay for it or not, I'll get it. If the product is not good, I don't care about free versions, I just don't want it. You decide that as Mandrake is getting money from elsewhere you can take the free version. All I see from you is: If I have to pay, I won't take it, because Mandrake gets enough money from elsewhere. OK, everybody has his right to decide, but don't try to construct reasons where there are none. I'd be perfectly happy with you saying: I don't want to pay for a distribution, I want it gratis! Why not, it's not illegal. But I complain about the reasons you give for not buying any more. They are just not right. wobo To be fair Wobo, he really didn't say that. It's about the same with TV-channels. I get a number of channels for free, because they are paid for by the commercials, I don't like it, but I'm not forced to watch them. If I pay a subscription fee for those channels, the commercials are not acceptable. I do not think I should pay to be forced to watch commercials. I guess you don't get cable and have never seen discovery channel, cause they sure are a fee-subscription service, and they sure have some commercials. So, if I pay for my boxed Mandrake distro, it should not contain ads. always did before, just adds for Mandrake services not 3rd party services. seems to me RH puts a LOT of adds for RH inc. in their distro too... Now, in all fairness, it is the right of Mandrake as a company to do this, but it is also the right of their users to switch distro if they don't like this. sure, no one is begging you to stay a loyal MDK freeloader, just debating if your reasoning is sincere. I ditched SuSE a year ago (after 5 years of use - and buying every major release), because I resented the fact that they held YaST in proprietary development, and the last drop was UnitedLinux. SuSE was free to choose their path, just as I was free to protest it by moving to Mandrake, because they better represented my ideals. Now, in a perfect world, Linux (and others) would be developped by non-commercial institutions with government funding. I DO NOT want any governmental involvement, and the smaller the better. It would be completely free of commercial influences. I doubt _anything_ in the US government is free of commercial influences, and that goes for all 50 state governments and all county governments too... But this is not a perfect world, our legacy-capitalistic society is not yet really ready for notions of openness and freedom. That is why Linux companies are an 'evil' we need to tolerate. Mandrake is a fine organisation, and I admire a lot of what they do, but I would be even happier to see them as a not-for-profit organization, yet I also know that this would be impossible at this time. As I stated earlier, I will now wait and see how things go over the next months. I will still be using 9.2, but if things progress in the wrong direction I will probably switch to Debian, Gentoo or even FreeBSD (which I am already using on some systems). my suggestion to you would be to stick with free BSD, and any of the stuff you use with any company backing them, delete it right away. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Whoa there...
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 07:58, Guy Van Sanden wrote: first off,, since the attributes are sure getting confusing, (obviously) I did not think I was replying to Guy, but to T.Ribbock. On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:40, ed tharp wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 05:08, Guy Van Sanden wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:40, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200: snip If I pay a subscription fee for those channels, the commercials are not acceptable. I do not think I should pay to be forced to watch commercials. I guess you don't get cable and have never seen discovery channel, cause they sure are a fee-subscription service, and they sure have some commercials. I know such channels exist (although not in my country, here the paid channels only have commercials for their own broadcasts, and they do not interrupt movies/programs form them). What I am saying is that I would not pay for such a channel if it existed here, while I would be inclined to pay for an ad-free movie channel. In fact and action, I agree,,, I have cable broadband, but not cable TV. So, if I pay for my boxed Mandrake distro, it should not contain ads. always did before, just adds for Mandrake services not 3rd party services. seems to me RH puts a LOT of adds for RH inc. in their distro too... Possible, but I don't use RH... me neither, but I have installed it a few times to see what it is like. But the point was we have alway seen some sort of ad just now the circle of possible third parties might extend past the Mandrake store, which, since the store has not really been exactly a 'focal point for a profit center' to Mandrake Management, it might as well Now, in all fairness, it is the right of Mandrake as a company to do this, but it is also the right of their users to switch distro if they don't like this. sure, no one is begging you to stay a loyal MDK freeloader, just debating if your reasoning is sincere. As I stated (and others did so too), I protest ads in the *boxed* version. The download edition is something else. I'm only on my second MDK release so far. But I dropped SuSE after buying *every* major release for 5 years because they became too commercial for my taste. I don't think that is a quote from me, but heck no one should beg me to stay either, if I find love for Gentoo, knowwhatImean? Now, in a perfect world, Linux (and others) would be developped by non-commercial institutions with government funding. I DO NOT want any governmental involvement, and the smaller the better. It would be completely free of commercial influences. I doubt _anything_ in the US government is free of commercial influences, and that goes for all 50 state governments and all county governments too... Possibly, but Mandrake is not in the US, an neither am I. Mandrake is in the US, even if the company has no employees here at all. I am not saying the time and circumstances are right for this now, but in a perfect world, free software should be safeguarded against commercial interference. It should be government funded, yet not government controlled (I don't trust politicians any more than I trust corporate drones). my suggestion to you would be to stick with free BSD, and any of the stuff you use with any company backing them, delete it right away. I did not state that company backing in this day and age turns me of a system. that was not directed at you, but if the shoe fits Although I do not like it, it is the way the world works right now and I can't change that. I am not going of Mandrake immediately (if ever), I will wait and see how things progress. If it stays with the ads in the announced form it is still acceptable (yet I regret it came to this). I too regret that the sales in stores alone could not support what I firmly believe to be the best solution to folks first attempting to use a computer, or those who intuitively feel there must be a better way than what M$ sticks the rest of the planet with. __ -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 05:48, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 14 Sep 2003 1:23 am, ed tharp wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:31, Steffen Barszus wrote: OK - sound isn't a problem then. So, video card and capture? There are two issues here - vhs and the current camcorder's analogue signal, for which I have been advised to use a Pinnacle DC10+ and V4l, and firewire, which I will need next spring when we buy a new camcorder. I have firewire on this box on the Audigy card, but only a 900 MHz processor (though 512MB RAM). I had thought of adding a firewire card to the new box when I buy the new camcorder. A DC10+ is good i think. Ermmh this is a mjpeg card isn't it ? Sorry for the confusion, i think that is the card that is recommended ny the mjpegtools guys as well. For firewire, some new boards have that onboard. I have bought a firewire extension card for this back then i got my dv camcorder. Thank the gods for replies. I never received this one. I said DC10+ because on Money I was talking to a guy at wylug who is using this card with v4l for hi8 and vhs work, and is happy with it. I had planned for 512MB RAM - are you saying that's not really enough? I would say 512 is ok. , f.i. 256 would definitly be to few ram. (my opinion) See above, sorry for the confusion. The DC10 should be perfect. For exact model i would search trough the mjpeg mailinglist archiv. My thought was just that you shouldn't really consider using a tv-card or the like for capturing. ahhh,,, this has both sides... the difference in price of an old winTV card vs that DC10 can sure make for the purchase of that extra 256 meg ram work out easier, and if it was me, I would go for the ram, if I was only running 256. if you have a wide pipe, I captured a video since we have been talking about it. I have recorded with a sony handycam running hi8 tape, and captured using my wintv card in cinelerra. it might be more choppy than normal since I set the capture to 29 frames and was installing software at the same time. (http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/kayla1.mpg) It sounds as though both a viable routes. However, I'm not sure that the tv card would ever be used as a tv card, so is there any other great advantage? Cost, you say - ok, I can go with that, but any other? no other advantage, and a few drawbacks,,, cost is the main (only real) reason to go with a TV card, and the TV card would have less functionality and more headaches setting up (imo) I seem to recall that pal operates at 30fps, so I presume that it would be an advantage to capture at the same frame rate? I have a Samsung 5400 120 Gig with 2MB cache here an plan to buy a second one in near future. 120 Gig = 50 hours dvb mpeg2, does not know how much you have to calculate for mjpeg and how fast the hd has to be. If you plan to make some video dvd i guess you can't get enough. scsi2 i think isn't worth the money here. For a definitly answer i would ask on mjpegtools mailinglist. I'm assuming that you need hdd space for one dvd's worth of finished product, + a similar amount of working space, with a thorough clean out at the end of each product. Does that sound sensible? One drive my supplier offers is a 120 GB Hitachi Deskstar 1800XP with 8MB cache. That sounds a reasonable one to me. Anne any drive (except Western Digital) with 8 meg cache 'ought to' work. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 05:30, Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Sonntag, 14. September 2003 01:18 schrieb ed tharp: I wonder if the my current 1.1Ghz Duron main machine i get around 7 frames per second, a 1400 Athlon gets around 14 frames per second is capture? sounds like crap to me you need 28 frames a sec capture to have halfway decent video, imho. or is that render times? That is mpeg2 transcoding time. I do capture dvb tv or dv, both means all the machine has to do is to save the stream to hd, nothing more. Both are AFAIK under 10M/s and that even the slowest CPU is able to do. If you want to do some real work in capturing you use hardware that does the capturing. Of course the 7 fps for mpeg2 encoding is crap compared with a 2500+ dual CPU setup that should be a lot faster (even a Athlon at the same Ghz as my duron should be a lot faster then my duron, because of the bigger L1/L2 Caches) . If you render time is for you encoding time, yes its render time. A normal movie needs one night to be encoded. Since i don't record each day a movie i want to archive and i don't have to sit in front of the machine, i couldn't care less. Steffen that does make a lot more sense to me now... no offense meant... thanks for the input,,, this thread is _very_ interesting to me,,, I am learning much here... thank for Anne's asking too. ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: SOYO + AMD XP2500: new mobo
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 05:10, Philip Webb wrote: 030727 Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 27 July 2003 04:13 pm, you wrote: 030725 Greg Meyer wrote: Seems you may have tripped over a bug that affects true 333fsb processors very specific video chipsets. i've sent the mobo to Soyo via the retailer, so all awaits its return after 1 - 2 wk . Let me know how it goes once you get the board back. [ cc to Mdk Expert, in case anyone else has helpful advice ] the retailer -- to whom i returned the Soyo Dragon Ultra KT400 mobo -- told me that Soyo had recalled them were replacing them with new ones. last week, i picked up a mobo, which i assume is a replacement (i forgot to make a note of the serial numbers) i have now reassembled the box tried it out. it seems to be an improvement at the BIOS level: it recognises the processor as 'AMD XP 2500+' (correctly) defaults the DRAM clock to 166 MHz (previously it set it to 133 MHz ). however, there's a new problem: Linux won't start! i had installed Mdk 9.1 , which is still there of course, Lilo comes up properly tries to boot the system, but fails with a kernel panic, which is quite new (Linux was ok before). the lines on the screen are as follows: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address printing eip: c02360d0 *pde = Ooops: there follow a dozen lines of registers, call traces etc, then: 0 Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7 (the last line occurs only some of the time: it's the printer IRQ, but i haven't defined a printer on the box yet). ahhh,,, not to sound _too_ impertinent, but printers do not need a irq,, it is the LPT (printer port on the MOBO) that takes an IRQ, so even if no printer is assigned, the port still has the IRQ, and maybe something else too. did you reset the bios for no plug and play? and did you try and run hard drake during boot up? i tried (1) Lilo with 'nofsb', 'failsafe' 'linux rescue': no difference; have you consider trying 'noapic' and or 'acpi=NO'? (2) BIOS set to 'failsafe' 'optimised': no difference; (3) Mdk 9.1 boot diskette: no difference; (4) Mdk 9.1 CD1 : Lilo starts regardless, even with 'hdd1' given priority (BIOS does recognise the HDD CDD correctly); (5) Mdk 8.2 boot diskette: boots, but can't find 'init': it expects a ReiserFS, which i have on the existing box; (6) checking h/ware, ie memory drive cables: all firmly in place; (7) DOS diskette: boots accepts simple commands; (8) RAMF-118 rescue diskette: ok allows 'mount /dev/hde1 /test', then 'cd test' 'ls etc' showing the appropriate files, so the problem doesn't seem to be damage to the HDD. this problem is new to me: anyone have any suggestions what to try next ? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 03:22, Richard Urwin wrote: On Saturday 13 Sep 2003 1:56 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Mandrake has issued a clarification at http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3 Fascinating. The screensaver idea has disappeared. Checking back on the original page (http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising) the screensaver option has been removed, and the pricing is now hidden. I don't think I have a single reservation about the plan in this new form. Go for it, Mandrake. and I say go for it full blast, especially if it will get some interesting stuff bundled in. I would have never found MDK except that MDK 7.0 came bundled with a version of Partition Magic, and I needed PM, and I got 7.2 (power pack)because it came with VIA-Voice for Linux, (I got 8.0 because I got to pick Civileme's brain when I had a problem) and I have been hooked ever since. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 06:56, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 07:49:30AM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Do you even use Mandrake? Yup, I have 9.1 on one of my machines. Welcome to the world of GNU-Linux then, and welcome to this list. That's why I considered buying 9.2. MDK lost that sale. did you _buy_ that 9.1? as in does your voice really have something backing it up? A product does not materialize out of thin air: it takes money for the people who produce it to live, no? What other products are you able to consume without recompense until you decide it comes up to your standards sufficiently to pay for it? Reality check: That's called free market. Reality Check ... there has been a US court ruling that found a monopoly in the Operation Systems Software for computers. Monopoly != 'free market' and as most any MBA candidate would gladly inform you, 'free market' is an oxymoron. If the product on offer doesn't suit my needs/interests/whatever, I don't buy it. Simple 101 of marketing. That only gets me into trouble if there's no alternative - which is not the case here. Just speaking in vast and vague generalities here... you say That only gets me into trouble if which seems to say there is only one way that you can get into trouble in 'free market', and that is just not a correct statement. (as in NO... you are wrong) well there 'could' be trouble _not_ due to a lack of alternatives, but lack of education about the alternatives. that is the 'why' of sales and advertising. I have often heard it said that no sale is made unless the customer ha a clearly defined need for that good or service. Some must pay for what many take for free, be it advertisers or Club members. I wonder what percentage of the complainers about the ads actually support Mandrake with cash versus the percentage who complain merely because they would rather take without being reminded of the obligation. That's exactly my point: MDK has taken away the obligation by making money of the download edition (nothing wrong with that) *and* making extra money besides the purchase price of the boxed version. Hence, my motivation to buy the boxed version is gone. well here is my point exactly... no education about the difference between what you can download in the 3 ISO disk GPL version, and what you get when you buy a commercial package (the power-pack or Pro-Suite) Or, to put into other words: If MDK feels the need of forcing ads on paying customers, I have no interest in supporting them anymore. did you support them before? did you not notice the 'info' provided on screens as you installed? did you not notice a link (and a text box) on the default web page for Safari book sellers? did that ruin the 9.1 experience for you? did you think to complain then? I do feel that I put my point poorly yesterday. I'm actually frustrated. I'm a long time RH user (since 4.1, i.e. 1996/97) and in that time, there still was spirit in them. By now, I never went beyond RH 7.3, as I don't like current developments, so I went looking for alternatives. MDK seemed interesting, not only because of a good product, but also because of the setup (Club etc., though most likely I won't need it). so then from my reading of your reply, in spite of having been a RH user since the beginning of linux time, unless _you_ 'need' it, it is not worth supporting at all, and if it is cheaper to download you don't _need_ to buy it. Let me ask you, when you get a meal at a restaurant, do you tip the service help? OR do you only pay for those things that someone will grab you and force you to pay for? OR do you believe that one should pay a fair amount for a fair product? On the other hand, I don't go round spending money to support companies without observing what's going on for a while. This statement sounds to me like I don't pay unless I have to, and after I find a good product I might be willing to pay for without the police forcing me to pay, I wait until I find some (imo) reason to not pay. don't pay to support the company, pay because you got a product worth paying for, even if you were not forced to pay for it. Disclaimer... I do not work for Mandrakesoft, I am a customer. Pity, that MDK spoiled it right away with their announcement. Cheerio, Thomas I guess they will have to find someone else that will freeload in your place,,, I here there are plenty of freeloaders,,, but it was customers MDK was trying to find, or so I heard -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 14:46, Anne Wilson wrote: I want to build a box whose main purpose would be video capture from camcorder and vhs, editing, and burning to either vcd or dvd. All funds available should go into the most essential bits for that purpose, so I'd like some opinions, please. Mobo - I'm torn between Asus A7v8X-X and Soltek SL-KT400-A4C. Specs are very similar. Both have Via KT400/VT8235 chipsets. Asus has 8x agp and Soltek has 4x agp Asus has Realtek 6-chanel codec, which I take to mean on-board sound, and Soltek has 6-ch AC'97 Audio. I've always avoided on-board audio in the past, disabling it and putting in a card. Is that still worth the effort/expense? Asus also offers on-board lan. I think these have been troublesome? Graphics cards - since I don't do gaming I've not been into the latest thing in video cards, so I don't know what is significant and what is hype. I'm looking at 128MB XFX Geforce4 MX44- or FX5200. I could go higher if there's a real advantage. Any thoughts? Any comments about anything I haven't mentioned that is significant in this scenario? Anne My opinion... Forget all the video cards and sound stuff,,, the 128 meg mem Video card is over kill, and the AC97 6 channel sound should be fine too. The real bottle neck is going to be hard drive write speed. during capture that is. my suggestion might be to go with 2 different boxes, since capture is one thing and rendering a full different set of problems and bottlenecks. capture is just as fast and accurate as long as the drive keeps up, and the quality of the capture card and signal input is more important than video card. get all the memory you can stuff on the Mobo (up to around 750, really no advantage above that unless you can go greater than 2 gigs memory) most folks used to swear you had to have fast wide scsi2 hard drives at least, but I am sure IDE udma4 or faster, and as large a hard drive cache as available will help. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 16:55, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 13 Sep 2003 8:23 pm, Steffen Barszus wrote: Graphics cards - since I don't do gaming I've not been into the latest thing in video cards, so I don't know what is significant and what is hype. I'm looking at 128MB XFX Geforce4 MX44- or FX5200. I could go higher if there's a real advantage. Any thoughts? For what ? If this box does capturing and transcoding, you could do that headless i think. Even the cheapest card should be enough. Here you get for the money of a GF FX 5200 another 120 Gig of HD. Any comments about anything I haven't mentioned that is significant in this scenario? I do a lot of mpeg2 transcoding. But my stuff i convert comes a) from a dv-camcorder or b) from a dvb card. So i can't say a lot about capturing. For transcoding you need a fast CPU, if possible a dual cpu setup helps. The mpeg2encoder all need a lot of memory (means something around or bigger then 512 MB and the need for a lot of disk space is obvious i guess. I don't have a top notch box for transcoding, i plan to use a duron 1300 to do that because its cheap and i can let compute that spare machine all the time. Currently i have a 120 Gig hd for video and i plan to buy a second one in near future. In case you want to make dvd/vcd/svcd you will most likely use mpeg2enc from mjpegtools, just for orientation: On my current 1.1Ghz Duron main machine i get around 7 frames per second, a 1400 Athlon gets around 14 frames per second ( if i remember right), all w/o any filters. Dunno for Intel P4. So an Athlon 2400 should be fine, I think? I'll put together everyone's suggestions and try to come up with the definitive list tomorrow g I wonder if the my current 1.1Ghz Duron main machine i get around 7 frames per second, a 1400 Athlon gets around 14 frames per second is capture? sounds like crap to me you need 28 frames a sec capture to have halfway decent video, imho. or is that render times? Thanks Anne Steffen -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 18:13, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip Ram (and cpu caches) is gonna be a big part of what you want to use the system for. As will be kernel choice. this is the one area that means more than anything else (just about) the KERNEL. get the MM or the ones Thomas Backlund (forgive me if i mis-spell the name) makes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Video processing box
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:31, Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Samstag, 13. September 2003 22:45 schrieb Anne Wilson: On Saturday 13 Sep 2003 8:35 pm, Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Samstag, 13. September 2003 21:00 schrieb ed tharp: My opinion... Forget all the video cards and sound stuff,,, the 128 meg mem Video card is over kill, and the AC97 6 channel sound should be fine too. Agree OK - sound isn't a problem then. So, video card and capture? There are two issues here - vhs and the current camcorder's analogue signal, for which I have been advised to use a Pinnacle DC10+ and V4l, and firewire, which I will need next spring when we buy a new camcorder. I have firewire on this box on the Audigy card, but only a 900 MHz processor (though 512MB RAM). I had thought of adding a firewire card to the new box when I buy the new camcorder. A DC10+ is good i think. Ermmh this is a mjpeg card isn't it ? Sorry for the confusion, i think that is the card that is recommended ny the mjpegtools guys as well. For firewire, some new boards have that onboard. I have bought a firewire extension card for this back then i got my dv camcorder. I had planned for 512MB RAM - are you saying that's not really enough? I would say 512 is ok. , f.i. 256 would definitly be to few ram. (my opinion) The real bottle neck is going to be hard drive write speed. during capture that is. my suggestion might be to go with 2 different boxes, since capture is one thing and rendering a full different set of problems and bottlenecks. capture is just as fast and accurate as long as the drive keeps up, Do not agree here really. Today you can capture with a midrange recent machine divx in realtime. and the quality of the capture card and signal input is more important than video card. Agree absolutly. Depending on the plans how much will be captured with that box, i would even consider to buy a dv-capture card. (not a firewire card, but a card that does the dv-encoding in hardware) Recommemdations, then? See above, sorry for the confusion. The DC10 should be perfect. For exact model i would search trough the mjpeg mailinglist archiv. My thought was just that you shouldn't really consider using a tv-card or the like for capturing. ahhh,,, this has both sides... the difference in price of an old winTV card vs that DC10 can sure make for the purchase of that extra 256 meg ram work out easier, and if it was me, I would go for the ram, if I was only running 256. if you have a wide pipe, I captured a video since we have been talking about it. I have recorded with a sony handycam running hi8 tape, and captured using my wintv card in cinelerra. it might be more choppy than normal since I set the capture to 29 frames and was installing software at the same time. (http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/kayla1.mpg) get all the memory you can stuff on the Mobo (up to around 750, really no advantage above that unless you can go greater than 2 gigs memory) most folks used to swear you had to have fast wide scsi2 hard drives at least, but I am sure IDE udma4 or faster, and as large a hard drive cache as available will help. scsi2 is overkill i would say, the latter you are right again, as much disk-space as possible. I thought of scsi2, but it's very expensive, so it would have to be worth a lot more. I planned a 7200 120GB disk. It would have very little on apart from the needs of the job. I have a Samsung 5400 120 Gig with 2MB cache here an plan to buy a second one in near future. 120 Gig = 50 hours dvb mpeg2, does not know how much you have to calculate for mjpeg and how fast the hd has to be. If you plan to make some video dvd i guess you can't get enough. scsi2 i think isn't worth the money here. For a definitly answer i would ask on mjpegtools mailinglist. Steffen __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC2 installation
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 10:42, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday September 12 2003 07:49 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Is there anything which I missed during last 10 days? I just received my 3 CDs of RC2 and am now in my thirteenth attempt to install it on a box where I installed 9.1 just the other week without problems. So there should be no hardware related issues. First crash (keyboard lights blinking) during formatting of the root partition (size 3GB ext3, /home is 5GB ext3)). Next time it formatted without error. Second crash during individual package selection. Dropped out of the graphics screen and shut down. Third crash during installation of packages (after about 5% crash with keyboard lights blinking) Fourth crash during switch from package selection to installation (screen frozen, no keyboard access) and so on Always at various different points. Twelwth crash right after selection of keyboard (screen frozen, keyboard no access). Again: 9.1 installation is on same harddisk and I did not change any hardware parts. 9.1 is running without errors (did some image editing with large memory access and 1 kernel compilation so far). wobo in any of these crashes was any info available on alt+f3? have you tried watching the consol messages as you install? atleast it will give you a good clue if your CDrom reader is the problem, Crashes at differnet spots certainly require 'hardware' to be included as a cause. Even if the hardware is the CD's, or your drives ability to read 'em. Attached is the RC2 md5sums. You can check with 'md5sum /mnt/cdrom' or 'md5sum /dev/hd?' in a console. Be patient, it'll probly take a minute or two before the result appears. 9725a5942d84390c691d78f95084b5ee MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso 78374f7ff4335f5b46b3cd7d8e2f3e94 MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso 70de3baa4a1e3f3c0229bed38b237d8a MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso If the md5sums don't check, or you suspect your CD drive is the cause, d/l the hd.img, dd it to a floppy, copy the CD's you have to HDD, an try'n install that way. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
Thanks for the debate James. This is fun. :-) Maybe I should get back to work? or take it to the OT listg http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:26, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 02:14 pm, ed tharp wrote: Thanks for the debate James. This is fun. :-) Maybe I should get back to work? or take it to the OT listg http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot Thanks for the reference ET but I vowed never to return to that list. Besides this is only slightly OT iMHO. not really OT at all, (imho) and I am sorry you feel that someone could chase you away from any OT list, but hopefully the real reason to stay away is the banality. ie.; hopefully your life has more purpose than to read others OT opinions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:10, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:49, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.) What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. The question was how I could imagine that it would be noticed. Not a suggestion that it would be done. James we have had ads for mandrake products all along,,, some other ads might be just as well... just my $.02 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 19:02, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 15:03, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 02:10:58PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.) What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. The question was how I could imagine that it would be noticed. Not a suggestion that it would be done. I would have answered: they have no way of noticing unless they had a public poll and asked you. Just mentioning data mining will stir the pot enough that people will start flipping out and tomorrow we'll see a /. post about how we're data mining as well as removing all screensavers and replacing them with ads. /me shudders Point taken. Downside, We will get asked. Double downside. It's already on slashdot (before I even posted the first post in the thread) and This question is already being asked. Not by me. But it is rearing it's ugly head. I still think trying to get boxed sets in stores next to SuSE and RedHat is a better way to generate income. But that just my opinion. Especially if they sold the disk only set this way. James Isn't that one of McMillian's deals tho? how can we as Mandrake users get McMillian to wake up? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CLI for monitoring
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 06:53, KevinO wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: Over a long period I have seen commands given for finding informationabout a system, for instance this morning there was cat /proc/bus/usb/devices. It seems to me that those of us with aging grey cells, and maybe others as well, would be glad of a list of these really useful commands. it would like this if you want to see all the commands available to a user login a text console and, hit tab. Could someone either put a list on the TWiki site, or post a list here that I could add? Thanks Anne Where would you start? The command line is where it's at. It is where everything is. There have been whole books written about the proc filesystem, learning Bash, books on common filters like sed, grep, awk etc.. There is so much that you can do, where would you start. I have used single command lines to download and parse an XML file, and generate a w3c compliant XHTML file and stick it on a webserver. On one line, without any external temp file storage or data files. (It is a long line, output is here) http://www.kevino.org/slashdot.html You find things out by looking at how the system is running, by looking at the parts of the operating system. Just listing where things(files) are kept would be daunting. Open a terminal window, or go to a virtual console, and at the prompt type a tab key: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:50am-Intel_2011 Display all 3401 possibilities? (y or n) That's 3400 commands, not combinations of commands, or options, etc.. - -- KevinO If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? - -- Lily Tomlin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/XbEfWOfRC7Rnmv8RAu00AKCEvRny0nTu3WMCs+gmv1wRJWhJowCfTDzN UGXsVa2iSt76CmpGb1m7hH0= =86CV -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] this one is harmless?
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 11:48, Miark wrote: I'm fuzzy on the list mechanism. Do you have to be a subscriber to the list to send something to it? Or does subscribing only allow you to receive messages? And since we have to confirm all messages that come to the list, how is it that any automated message could make it through to us? Miark ahhh, I do not have to confirm any messages On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:31:39 -0700, Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could be that one of the infected members of our list uses ancestry.com so sobif spoofed ancestry and sent to mandrake. No payload is strange, but maybe an isp got smart and started blocking .pif's? __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] this one is harmless?
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 17:28, Miark wrote: Surely this is some sick joke. I have to confirm every message I send to the list. Here, I just did a test message and received this back: -- From: SYMPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: confirm 84a2165ddf26c947ca93500929d7a0ab Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:10:22 +0200 (CEST) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To distribute the attached message in list expert : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following subject : CONFIRM 84a2165ddf26c947ca93500929d7a0ab From: Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:49:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) test --- Are you telling me I'm the only one who has to do this?! Miark yes, try subscribing from the same address you send from Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 05:11, Anne Wilson wrote: And I don't have Femme's excuse either g Anne which one of Femme's excuses? not naturally colored hair?g -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 13:41, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 08 September 2003 04:53 am, Joerg Mertin wrote: Carefull Folks... My wife is Blond, but also a Lawyer ;o) Cherio Joerg Isn't that like, double indemnity? (which is against the law?) smile triple,, I count 3 1. Wife 2. Lawyer 3. Blond. ahhh never mind -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]OT - was I'm in big trouble
On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 07:44, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 11:05 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Not to worry - I don't think I've ever watched a complete episode. ;-) You do watch Enterprise, though...right? :) *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* This next wednesday the 10th, of course, being the season premier. Uh? Am I missing something? I've been watching on Mondays on Sky1. I understood that there wasn't going to be another season because it had not been popular. Or is this a film? Anne it is the series, but they sure are having a new season over on this side of the pond. maybe for you guys they ain't. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Don't tell me we have another major annoyance on our hands!
On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 15:11, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *** James Sparenberg Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:00:48 -0700 : On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 04:19, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Saturday 06 September 2003 07:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: You are correct... couldn't open the game and type the e-mail at the same time james I hear ya buddy - I have that same problem while trying to drink a coke, eat cashews, and tickle the 18 month old little girl while driving my 5-speed stick shift... grin and ask Stephen K. about the kind of roads I drive on! :-) The heck with the coke, cashews and driving. Tickling the little lady is just too important to be given any less than 100% attention. (My little guy just turned 3.) *grin* I'd like to bring to your attention that tickling young ladies in the front seat while driving may be hazardous to your health! Doing it in the backseat while parking under a shady willow brings more fun to you and the ladies (especially when they grow older). wobo (a wellknown tickler in his time) and remember Accidents cause people... -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2rc1 installer is alpha screws current system...
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 03:43, Michael Adams wrote: snip I'd show my 'df' but i dont mount them in this boot and i have /dev/hda18 so nya-nya-nya! snip nya-nya-nya to you too g -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Did someone else get this also?????
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 07:34, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 04 September 2003 07:58 pm, Charlie wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:00 pm, many eyes noted that Mark Belanger wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:36:42 +1000 Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [expert] Re: Approved From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] See the attached file for details Inserted here was:- thank_you.pif I suppose it was quite harmless but naturally it went in the bin. It is probably not harmless .pif is some sort of MS executable format. -Mark Certainly the ToBig virus came through in .pif attachments. Hey, I propose that we change the naming convention on viruses/worms to more accurately reflect their nature. SoBig.F becomes WinSoBig.F, Blaster becomes WinBlaster. MS is quick to take credit for the large variety of applications available for the platform, they should take credit for ALL applications available for the platform. the papers here are calling blaster MSblaster -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:05, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I run several tail commands to monitor several log files everyday. Instead of typing all the commands one by one on each terminal, is there any way I can make this automatic or I can make some kind of shortcut for the job? Thanks a lot, Fajar. if you hit page up, the commands you have typed in the past come up until you get some ways back. so page up and hit enter. - -- - -- This message was compose on a 100% GNU/Linux machine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/WTLMUrYxG8KGMVERAtphAJ0bxuDR0gZmVwwjvFysVfDpIzhGNACYoJNO 8H3aLYBMOVzdipr8G1HFYQ== =KT/H -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: howto edit a pif file in linux
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 18:10, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 12:19:04PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: [...] True PIF files contain information on how to run a program. It was mostly used in early versions of Windows for running DOS mode programs. intresting point here. your statement is correct but it actually contains a warning (the binary) that it can't run in DOS mode *grin* Which proves that it is indeed a virus and not a real pif file. I still remember the real ones from my Win3.1 days... Cheerio, Thomas As I understand it, the real thing is that a pif (like com, bat , exe, sys, can call command.com. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] locked -- ps related stuff
On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 23:00, Jack Coates wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 15:53, David E. Fox wrote: What would cause the following - other than hardware issues - I've only seen this type of behavior a log time ago when I had intermittent power to my HD drives. And that was with an older system. hardware -- overheating, low power, gremlins. what does 'df' say Specifically, any number of ps/w/top or related commands are hanging the shell. urpmi.update -a also hangs the shell. I am in the middle of a backup and so far have had to abort it twice and restart because of this. These processes are blocking so that I end up with a very high load average -- at present it is over 20. lacking access to /proc would do that -- any difference if root? msec up at 4 or 5? Surprisingly, system response is speedy - it's just that the system thinks each of these processes is one that's waiting in the run queue, which of course, they are. Oh well, reboot time again. David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Can KMail be set to filter attachments?
On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 08:18, Anne Wilson wrote: I know I should be sorting out a mail server, but until I have enough time I need short term solutions. In kmail I'd like a pop-filter to delete on server emails that contain attachments containing .exe and the like. I can't find any way of filtering on attachments For that matter I can't find any way of filtering to delete. ATM all filtered junkmail goes to a special folder. However, some types could be defined to immediately delete, if only I could find the setting. I have tried using the blank line in the drop-down list and defining my own criteria, but I think that is just ignored. Any more suggestions? Anne not sure (I quit using kmail when 9.1 came out) Maybe... define a folder in Kmail as /dev/null and move it to there -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Can KMail be set to filter attachments?
On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 10:37, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 01 Sep 2003 1:36 pm, ed tharp wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 08:18, Anne Wilson wrote: I know I should be sorting out a mail server, but until I have enough time I need short term solutions. In kmail I'd like a pop-filter to delete on server emails that contain attachments containing .exe and the like. I can't find any way of filtering on attachments For that matter I can't find any way of filtering to delete. ATM all filtered junkmail goes to a special folder. However, some types could be defined to immediately delete, if only I could find the setting. I have tried using the blank line in the drop-down list and defining my own criteria, but I think that is just ignored. Any more suggestions? Anne not sure (I quit using kmail when 9.1 came out) Maybe... define a folder in Kmail as /dev/null and move it to there But if I do that it wouldn't reference /dev/null, would it? Seems to me that it would be just the same as moving to ZZ_Junk that I do now? Anne perhaps you are correct. + Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What Wiki?
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 07:43, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 30 Aug 2003 7:47 am, Eric Huff wrote: We have a wiki? What URL? Is there any way we could get stuff like this added to the welcome message? I didn't get any response regarding who to contact for list admin stuff... No - I've already explored this. The problem is that if they put it there or in the footer added to emails it places them in a position of some legal liability, and since they have no control over content you can understand that that is unacceptable. They did say that they would put a link on the web pages, iirc. I'll try to find that email and chase it up, as I don't think it has appeared yet. Understandably, for their survival, releases take first priority. Otherwise, perhaps a few of us could start adding the url to our sigs? Anne this is a great Idea, and since google searches the archives, having a link in a lot of e-mails will jump the google position right up there too. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: DNS question
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 16:04, yankl wrote: Hi All, Question for dns guru If I own a domain yankele.com do I need to get mail.yankele.com register or can I assign it to myself? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Just 'cause Stephen is behind the curve,,, I'll give a go at his type of answer.. for everyone else, they can assign it, for you, no, just because _I_ say so. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I cannot see what I write here
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 19:03, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *** ed tharp 28 Aug 2003 18:00:37 -0400 : On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 12:30, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *** J.C. Woods Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:18:34 -0500 : So are we all happy now? No. Weather is cloudy, I haven't picked the right lottery numbers, one memory slot of my laptop is gone, and there's no more beer in the fridge. How can I be happy? wobo shsh wobo, don't you live in Germany? it's always cloudy. And one of these days,,, if you ever buy any lottery tickets, you might get one number right, but not buying any is why you ain't got none rightg now the beer problem,,, http://www.bofh.org.pl/man/uubp.html. I know the uubp but it doesn't create the right stuff. I experimented with lisp to get my emacs to produce some guinness-like brew but I'm not good enough, yet. So I still have to get up, go to the store (it's more than 40 yards from my home), pay for the beer and carry it home all the way! And upstairs to the apartment! Now ain't life just difficult and hard? wobo Oh yea, and now i figured out why the clouds are bothering you,,, this is 'sposed to be the one week out of the year, that has nice weather there too, ain't it. sorry. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi problem
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 21:14, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 11:25, Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to update/upgrade my KDE to the texstar 3.1.3 rpms. When I run urpmi kdebase kdelib kdegraphics kdenetwork it downloads about half of the required rpms (dependencies) but then craps out with: Installation failed, some files are missing: /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libmp3lame0-3.93.1-2.1plf.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdelibs-devel-3.1.3-9.1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase-kdm-3.1.3-4tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/notlame-3.93.1-2.1plf.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libqt3-3.1.2-9.1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libopenslp1-1.0.11-3.1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdelibs-3.1.3-9.1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdegraphics-devel-3.1.3-1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libarts-1.1.3-1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/arts-1.1.3-1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdenetwork-3.1.3-2tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdegraphics-3.1.3-1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase-3.1.3-4tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdenetwork-devel-3.1.3-2tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase-devel-3.1.3-4tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/mdkkdm-9.1-27mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/liblm_sensors1-2.7.0-2mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdelibs-common-3.1.3-9.1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase-nsplugins-3.1.3-4tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libarts-devel-1.1.3-1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libqt3-common-3.1.2-9.1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libqt3-devel-3.1.2-9.1tex.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/openslp-1.0.11-3.1tex.i586.rpm You may want to update your urpmi database I DID update my database. I just did it again, just now, and ran the same command again - yet I get the same mess above. How do I get past this? They MUST exist as it is in the list the urpmi itself generates based on what exists in the first place. Ooops sorry forgot one thing. If the rpms are already on your box cp them to /var/cache/urpmi/rpms otherwise urpmi won't find them. Not necessarily so, you can add a local source where ever you keep your downloaded rpms, so at least in searches and installs and such, urpmi finds the downloaded RPMs. I don't know how that works as far as updating for security and bugfixes. praedor - -- Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. - --Hermann Goering -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/TPeBaKr9sJYeTxgRAin9AJjW6URR30VmF6YPde9irnpE+GfzAJwKXcem wD/Xk8t9MHvkQ6o6Ru6REQ== =EJHP -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I cannot see what I write here
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 00:04, J.C. Woods wrote: ed tharp wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 12:30, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *** J.C. Woods Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:18:34 -0500 : So are we all happy now? No. Weather is cloudy, I haven't picked the right lottery numbers, one memory slot of my laptop is gone, and there's no more beer in the fridge. How can I be happy? wobo shsh wobo, don't you live in Germany? it's always cloudy. And one of these days,,, if you ever buy any lottery tickets, you might get one number right, but not buying any is why you ain't got none rightg now the beer problem,,, http://www.bofh.org.pl/man/uubp.html. Hey Ed, Great site! It just goes to show you that, even after years in the business, there is always a new proto to learn, and the page outlines some really needed skills for effective networking too. Thanks drjung I can take no credit. uubp was brought to my attention by Tom Brinkman some time ago, and I just searched uubp on google for a link. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I cannot see what I write here
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 12:30, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *** J.C. Woods Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:18:34 -0500 : So are we all happy now? No. Weather is cloudy, I haven't picked the right lottery numbers, one memory slot of my laptop is gone, and there's no more beer in the fridge. How can I be happy? wobo shsh wobo, don't you live in Germany? it's always cloudy. And one of these days,,, if you ever buy any lottery tickets, you might get one number right, but not buying any is why you ain't got none rightg now the beer problem,,, http://www.bofh.org.pl/man/uubp.html. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Is this thing on?
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 04:23, KevinO wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Huff wrote: I've been tryin to post to this list for days, but there isn't anything comin in for it. Is the list working? It's only knida working. Lotsa dropped posts, some posts go to some people, not others, etc... I've been noticing the same thing here. Ann will post a question and I will see it, then I will see my response. Then I will see her respond to someone else's answer that I never got. This has been going on for months. Oh well, it is better than nothing. I wonder how many users we have subscribed here. Perhaps one of us with some spare bandwidth and extra CPU cycles on a server should start an independent mail-list ??? (Using mailman and postfix) Or has somebody already done this? it may not all be something the server can handle, E-mail does not traverse the Internet with the same priority as web pages or ftp. some of it may well be from individual messages floating around the net before reaching the server. with all the M$ worms and virus out there, there is bound to be some mail servers que not able to handle the load. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound corruption
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 02:53, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 21 Aug 2003 10:44 pm, ed tharp wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 15:57, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 21 Aug 2003 8:37 pm, Rolf Pedersen wrote: On the autosuspend, a long time ago, I found a situation where a sound app would not start because the 60 sec time out had not expired (for a finished system notification sound, for example). Setting this to one second made the delay that much shorter, so I have changed that setting ever since. I am thinking that apps that are 'arts-unaware' might benefit from this change but not sure exactly what is doing what. FWIW. Rolf That's a thought, Rolf. I'll shorten that time. Anne might be the whole problem, since mine is unchecked and I don't have the problem I changed it to 1. If it still gives a problem I'll try removing it altogether before trying anything else, though I'm reluctant to do that, as I understand that it can be a real problemif it isn't forced to release. Anne I wonder what sort of problem,, as mine has been set like that for since about a week after 9.1 came out, adn I have not experienced any sound problems. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Re: brouser gets redirected
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 03:22, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 23:31, Alex Fisher wrote: Daniel Anderson wrote: Any ideas why this redirection is happening or how to fix it? Question here. Do you, 1. Accept cookies 2. Accept cookies from a 3rd party server. I wasn't doing either one. James I have disabled cookies in both konqueror and mozilla, and deleted all cookies and history, still the same response. Thanks, Dan It's not a cookie problem. I have the same requirement in all my browsers, that requires all cookies to be displayed for acceptance or rejection. I had no cookies from any site when I was redirected. I suspect a CGI or javascript is involved, which hijacks your connection. It would seem that it might be browser-specific, and also have a random factor built in to it's execution. What I found interesting was that the site I eventually ended up at (yes I clicked to see where it led) wanted me to download an executable. I have no need of windows to know what this executable does. Briefly, when you install it, it disconnects your modem, mutes the speaker and redials to a 1900 number. The first most users know of it is when they get a phone bill showing a call to an overseas location, which was charged to them at a rate of roughly $10 (US) per minute... I think bandwidthplace needs to check their servers (and javascript code). Could well be a rouge man in the middle hijack. In other words it's not your browser but rather your DNS. Although I don't understand the methodology I'm told that it is possible to fake or otherwise override DNS so that people are redirected who don't want to be. (This may explain why I get the right site and others don't) Other option is that if they have their load balancing hosed it could be like a phone system we had. 6 lines and if line one was busy it went to 2 then 3 etc etc. And all of our numbers where sequential. One day we got a call from a gentleman. Yep, he had the next number after us, and the phone company system was sending our calls to him when all 6 numbers where busy. James I have looked into (slightly) the type of redirect Alex was mentioning, (see http://www.wsbtv.com/video/2005705/detail.html and www.alyon.net) as this second one is one of the 'billing' resources this scam uses)and I am pretty sure they can _not_ redirect IP blocks that they are sure are from certain areas, where the law is already wise to them. I also recommend every time a URL comes to your attention like this, fire off an e-mail to with the URL to your LOCAL State Attorney General. almost every state has ongoing investigations into this scam. and offer to help them use linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Re: brouser gets redirected
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 02:31, Alex Fisher wrote: Daniel Anderson wrote: Any ideas why this redirection is happening or how to fix it? Question here. Do you, 1. Accept cookies 2. Accept cookies from a 3rd party server. I wasn't doing either one. James I have disabled cookies in both konqueror and mozilla, and deleted all cookies and history, still the same response. Thanks, Dan It's not a cookie problem. I have the same requirement in all my browsers, that requires all cookies to be displayed for acceptance or rejection. I had no cookies from any site when I was redirected. I suspect a CGI or javascript is involved, which hijacks your connection. It would seem that it might be browser-specific, and also have a random factor built in to it's execution. What I found interesting was that the site I eventually ended up at (yes I clicked to see where it led) wanted me to download an executable. I have no need of windows to know what this executable does. Briefly, when you install it, it disconnects your modem, mutes the speaker and redials to a 1900 number. The first most users know of it is when they get a phone bill showing a call to an overseas location, which was charged to them at a rate of roughly $10 (US) per minute... I think bandwidthplace needs to check their servers (and javascript code). I am jumping rather late into this thread, and did not get the correct URL, or bandwidthplace does not redirect for me either, maybe it has to do with what your browser sends as the OS? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound corruption
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 08:26, Anne Wilson wrote: I don't think it's a heat problem. Besides, if it were so, just logging out wouldn't clear it, I think. Anne I donna know, but I think we have pretty much the same sound card (SB-Audigy), and i don't have no such trouble, and my X windows is up 24/7 going on 4 weeks now. Let's compare the settings i have in the KDE control center for system sounds. under aRTs tab, I have (only) checked , Start aRTs at KDE startup, run sound server with real time priority, and, display messages using artsmessage under sound I/O tab, I have enable full duplex, and audio buffer size set to 208 millisec. under Midi, I just have 5 entries that say ALSA device. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Password Question
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 10:44, Lawson, Jim wrote: Not true Anne if you implement security in windows everyone is not a admin. But The fact that knnopix can access any windows file system is dangerous to me to run Windoze. I read an article the other day that said mandrake 9.1 and other stuff can easily reset Windoze passwords. Evewn the administrator one. I don't like this. this is why I am asking this question. I happen to love Linux. You don't have to convince me. I have to convince my bosses. IT Director. That is why I am asking these questions to the expert group so I have more evidence that Windoze has to go. I don't recommend any writing to NTFS partitions. (from M$ products either, if you have a choice). as corruption of other files has been known to occur. any install of Linux should be able to screw with any FAT partition, and delete files you could not delete from windoze -Original Message- From: Frankie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] Password Question -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lawson, Jim Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 8:39 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [expert] Password Question Anne it is from a secruity postion. I want to find out ow much more secure Linux is than windows. Well that is easy... 1. A file in linux is not executable until you tell it its executable. A file in Doze IS exectuable by virtue of having an executable extension. (.bat, .com, .exe etc). 2. In windows, everyone is the administrator, so anyone can totally trash the system. In Linux, everyone is a user, so can only trash their own user space. 3. literally thousands of virus's/worms/trojans have been written for windows. Literally a tiny handful of test virus/worms have been written for linux. 4. Windoze is all open from scratch, and its up to the user to tighten it up. Linux is by default much tighter then windows, and its easy to tighten it up more. (for example with msec on mandrkae.) As for the password issue, win95 provides practically no password protection at all, and what little it does provide is easy enough to circumvent. NT/2000/XP/2003 are much better in that regard, but a ton of flaws have been found to get around them as well. (for one thing, apparently you can use a win2000 CD to access XP partition. So, take your pick.. hundreds of government bodies that are switching to linux en mass after years of windows dominance is a telling indicator of where their faith is.. Having said that, If you take a winXP or 2000 system, fully patch it.. get rid of IIS, IE and outlook Express. (replace with apache and mozilla browser and mozilla mail for windows respectively) and run a firewall and antivir program or two would be pretty secure comparitively as well. Still not as tight as a well concieved linux install, but pretty good none the less. But we are a linux list so I will not push you in that direction. Also, keep in mind that the M$ version will cost you a whole heap more. regards Franki __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
