Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:08:10 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > guys, lets get focused... > > we are talking about a ***newly installed mdk 8.2 > system***. there are 1001+++ ways to bring a network > down from one machine if you really had the intention > to do so. there are detailed documentations for such > (disguised as networking monitoring > tools) all over the net. > > lets not even talk about how winblows tcp/ip stack > being very much vulnerable , we already know that. and > most of your examples are situations where you bring > down winblows machines ... not necessarily the NETWORK > like what civileme cited earlier about macof. > > for larry's case, to me, the only suspect is his > network card is faulty or something else beyond his > system brought down his network. certainly 8.2 > shouldnt have macof enabled to bomb the user's > network. and i dont think the install scripts of > 8.2 will do such damage else, everyone who already > used 8.2 would have complained of such. > > it could be that it just so happen that the network > went down after his install(coincidence?). maybe he > can try expert mode install again using the same card > and see if he can replicate such occurence. or try > installing 8.2 again using a different card like what > civileme suggested. > > ciao > dianne I'd try two things. One change cards see what happens. Two take the box off the net. shut down ALL services (if it doesn't stop the box from running shut it down.) Then restart them one at a time in exactly the same order as they appear in the run level. Take copious notes and let us know what happened. If nothing takes it down by starting them this way but a reboot ( normal ) does I would then suspect that something is getting started too fast for another process/piece of hardware to keep up. Here again it's a matter of taking them out one by one (last first) and see what happens. When you do find the cause let us know what you did and what happened. Either your situation will be unique and someone here can help you figure out a one off solution. OR you've uncovered a bug that needs to be handled. Both are possible. But I suspect hardware conflicts just because I've seen/had more HW problems, with new HW, in the last 6 months than in the last 25 years. (I've! got an HP that the bios swears doesn't have a hdd boot floppy, linux doesn't care what the bios says. The box is a dot bomb excapee.) We are after all reaching the point of "corners cut too far" The good news is. It will mean the best way to get the cost down is dump windows ala ESR's suggenstion. The bad news is it won't mean more Mandrake/et al sales. James > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > > [...] > > > i still dont see how a fresh install could bring a > > > whole network down. i dont really see any logical > > > explanation for this. im a network engineer. not > > so > > > good but i know the basics. are you saying your > > whole > > > network freezed ? meaning, all the others on your > > > network were affected after installing mandrake > > 8.2? > > > how is this server connected to the network? hubs? > > > switch? > > > > > > > It could potentially happen in a few scenarios > > (these are really > > stretches though): > > > > The user is running a Token Ring network with the > > very buggy Linux > > drivers. A node starts beaconing, bringing down the > > entire network. > > > > Or, all machines are non-updated Win95 machines. > > There was a bug where a > > Samba server would cause certain versions of Windows > > to spontaneously > > crash. At my last job my office was behind a glass > > wall overlooking the > > sales department. I'd just brought up a Linux > > machine and actually saw > > as several PCs started failing, people getting up > > and resetting > > machines... > > > > DHCP services are enabled on the Linux machines (not > > sure if this could > > happen since it would need configuration). > > > > Samba is setup incorrectly and does something weird > > with the PDC. > > > > WinME machines connecting to Samba servers sometimes > > start slowing down. > > This is a WinME bug possibly related to duplex, > > virus scans, oplocks, > > etc.. Ethereal shows a saturated wire as the stupid > > WinME machines get > > into a cascade of retries. The only thing that seems > > to help is to mount > > the Samba share as a drive letter rather than a > > regular mount. > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from > MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards_ > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:05:07 -0500 daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:14:03 -0600 > "J. Craig Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to > ponder: > > > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, I'm getting real sick of this M$ cloak-and-dagger > > > assassin crap. > > > Now we get this one. Now you all please pardon me if you > > > think I'm being slightly paranoid; > > > > Hey Lyvim, > > > > Do you think Bad Billy could in fact be lurking here? > > > > > I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to has only > > > sent three messages to the expert list since January 12; > > > > Hey careful about bringing the Countess Montessa into this fray. Royalty > > is above that kind of thing > > > > -- > > J. Craig Woods > > Craig, > > That possibility hadn't been lost on me and I'm sure many others. It > wouldn't surprise for a minute. More likely though it's Bawl-mer gathering > fuel for another "idiot-rant" where he stands up and shows the world just > how stupid he really is. I can't believe a multi-billion dollar company has > such an idiot for a point man in the first place. Even if they "are" the > evul empire. For those of you who missed it. This months Red Herring Magazine has a picture of Bawlmore on the front wearing a wedding gown sniffing "Broadband left me at the alter" He's crying because there arent' enough broadband users able to take advantage of the X-Box because of the Rules/difficulty in getting, users have to deal with. James > > -- > daRcmaTTeR > - > If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do > the first time! > > Registered Linux User 182496 > - > 7:05am up 9 days, 8:45, 3 users, load average: 0.50, 0.51, 0.41 > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????]
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 03:10:01 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder: > hmmm > > > > > > > I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to > > > has only > > > > > sent three messages to the expert list since > > > January 12; > > > > > > > > Hey careful about bringing the Countess Montessa > > > into this fray. Royalty > > > > is above that kind of thing > > > > > > My only response to that is that she has a "Royal" > > > gift of gab when it > > > comes to scaring off foggy, unsubstantiated or > > > indefinite posts. I like > > > that. > > > > cut the crap ... its called **bitching** no matter > how nice you put it :-P > > errr, is that really typical of royalties? > > > > > Plus she doesn't seem at all shy when it comes to > > > wading in to battle. > > > > > > > > well, it depends on which days of the month > > > these days, we need to distinguish users who really > need help, those who are just trolling around to get > attention ... and yeah, also those who are paid by > billy to mess with the linux mailing lists. > > cheers, > dianne dianne, *chuckle* we "all" need help of one kind or another. > > = > This email is for the above named person/s only. Usual legal > bullshit covering my own ass applies. Be prepared to get > fucked if you dare misuse the above information. If you > receive this message in error, your existence in this world > must also be an error. Please go and die! You must not > communicate this message to anybody else or I'll send > my friends to look for you. Death to all stupid signatures! Does that include those anoying pgp sigs at the bottom of message sent to mailing lists? *personal pet peeve* > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards_ > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 7:05am up 11 days, 8:45, 3 users, load average: 0.48, 0.37, 0.33 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????]
hmmm > > > > I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to > > has only > > > > sent three messages to the expert list since > > January 12; > > > > > > Hey careful about bringing the Countess Montessa > > into this fray. Royalty > > > is above that kind of thing > > > > My only response to that is that she has a "Royal" > > gift of gab when it > > comes to scaring off foggy, unsubstantiated or > > indefinite posts. I like > > that. > cut the crap ... its called **bitching** no matter how nice you put it :-P errr, is that really typical of royalties? > > Plus she doesn't seem at all shy when it comes to > > wading in to battle. > > > well, it depends on which days of the month these days, we need to distinguish users who really need help, those who are just trolling around to get attention ... and yeah, also those who are paid by billy to mess with the linux mailing lists. cheers, dianne = This email is for the above named person/s only. Usual legal bullshit covering my own ass applies. Be prepared to get fucked if you dare misuse the above information. If you receive this message in error, your existence in this world must also be an error. Please go and die! You must not communicate this message to anybody else or I'll send my friends to look for you. Death to all stupid signatures! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Evangelization at its best? :) Nicely said Simon Femme Simone Riccio wrote: > > Well, i put 8.2 on 5 PCs (ominbook xe2, omnibook xe3, 2 PIV 1.6, Athlon > 1.2) them all in a network environment and wih all different NICs. I > had no trouble at all in networking (SMB, Netware, NFS), and i found the > system a little more responsive than 8.1. (OT - what keeps positvely > surprising me is how AMD keeps outperforming intel : ) So > this all seems strange to me! TCP-IP works perfect! I also tried ppptp > and that's fine too! This Mandrake is a great improvement! > > BTW, i had bought a 8.1 powerpack subscription for myself, a prosuite > for my company, and now a prosuite subscription preorder and i > myself subscribed to mandrake club and i'm pushing my company towards > it. I think this is important! Everybody should, in his possibilities, > help this distro! We are not talking just of a piece of software MDK > is bringing desktop to linux users... and still gives a reliable server > (all my servers are mdk! i had a rh but didn't like it at all). I > can't and don't wanna tell what's to be done... but this is how I do > support Mandrake and Linux. > > All the best > Simon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
You could bring down the network if you use IPX and turn on routing. Unlike TCP/IP where you have a default route, an IPX router anounces itself and then everyone else tries to use it. On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:10:36 -0500 (EST) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > [...] > > i still dont see how a fresh install could bring a > > whole network down. i dont really see any logical > > explanation for this. im a network engineer. not so > > good but i know the basics. are you saying your whole > > network freezed ? meaning, all the others on your > > network were affected after installing mandrake 8.2? > > how is this server connected to the network? hubs? > > switch? > > > > It could potentially happen in a few scenarios (these are really > stretches though): > > The user is running a Token Ring network with the very buggy Linux > drivers. A node starts beaconing, bringing down the entire network. > > Or, all machines are non-updated Win95 machines. There was a bug where a > Samba server would cause certain versions of Windows to spontaneously > crash. At my last job my office was behind a glass wall overlooking the > sales department. I'd just brought up a Linux machine and actually saw > as several PCs started failing, people getting up and resetting > machines... > > DHCP services are enabled on the Linux machines (not sure if this could > happen since it would need configuration). > > Samba is setup incorrectly and does something weird with the PDC. > > WinME machines connecting to Samba servers sometimes start slowing down. > This is a WinME bug possibly related to duplex, virus scans, oplocks, > etc.. Ethereal shows a saturated wire as the stupid WinME machines get > into a cascade of retries. The only thing that seems to help is to mount > the Samba share as a drive letter rather than a regular mount. > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:57:45 -0600 Jason Guidry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder: > daRcmaTTeR etched into our conscienceness: > > > > > 96% PBKC error (Problem between keyboard and chair) > > 3% Software > > 1% Hardware > > > > > > d00d, you're my knew hero. that has to be my favorite so far this year. > > [root@gmaestro /rpms]# rpm -ivh PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing...### > [100%] > file /usr/lib/libpbkc.so.0 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkclib.so.0 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/pbkclib.so.1 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.0 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.1 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.2 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.3 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > [root@gmaestro /rpms]# Jason! that is absolutely awesome! I'm sending this one along to my boss. He's going to have a fit! :) -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 1:05pm up 9 days, 14:45, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.22, 0.13 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:26:06 -0600 Jason Guidry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder: > Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > > LOL ... would changing "AND" between keyboard / chair > > solve the problem? > > > > using an OR or XOR instead ;-) would you tell me > > where to get RTFM rpm so that we can post it at > > rpmfind.net? > > well, it looks like despite it's awfully high version number ;-), the > project is in alpha/planning stage. those wishing to contribute should > go to the project homepage on sourceforge: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtfm/ > > looks like the project has been dormant for about 15 months. perhaps > some of us could get it going again... > Amen! I'm in...where do we start. -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 1:05pm up 9 days, 14:45, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.22, 0.13 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > LOL ... would changing "AND" between keyboard / chair > solve the problem? > > using an OR or XOR instead ;-) would you tell me > where to get RTFM rpm so that we can post it at > rpmfind.net? well, it looks like despite it's awfully high version number ;-), the project is in alpha/planning stage. those wishing to contribute should go to the project homepage on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtfm/ looks like the project has been dormant for about 15 months. perhaps some of us could get it going again... > > --- Jason Guidry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>daRcmaTTeR etched into our conscienceness: >> >> >>>96% PBKC error (Problem between keyboard and >> >>chair) >> >>>3% Software >>>1% Hardware >>> >>> >> >>d00d, you're my knew hero. that has to be my >>favorite so far this year. >> >>[root@gmaestro /rpms]# rpm -ivh >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>Preparing... >>### >>[100%] >>file /usr/lib/libpbkc.so.0 from install of >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm >>file /usr/lib/libpbkclib.so.0 from install of >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm >>file /usr/lib/pbkclib.so.1 from install of >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm >>file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.0 from install of >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm >>file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.1 from install of >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm >>file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.2 from install of >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm >>file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.3 from install of >>PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm >>requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm >>[root@gmaestro /rpms]# -- Jason Guidry http://www.gmaestro.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
LOL ... would changing "AND" between keyboard / chair solve the problem? using an OR or XOR instead ;-) would you tell me where to get RTFM rpm so that we can post it at rpmfind.net? --- Jason Guidry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > daRcmaTTeR etched into our conscienceness: > > > > > 96% PBKC error (Problem between keyboard and > chair) > > 3% Software > > 1% Hardware > > > > > > d00d, you're my knew hero. that has to be my > favorite so far this year. > > [root@gmaestro /rpms]# rpm -ivh > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing... > ### > [100%] > file /usr/lib/libpbkc.so.0 from install of > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkclib.so.0 from install of > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/pbkclib.so.1 from install of > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.0 from install of > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.1 from install of > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.2 from install of > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.3 from install of > PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm > requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm > [root@gmaestro /rpms]# > > > > -- > Jason Guidry > http://www.gmaestro.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
daRcmaTTeR etched into our conscienceness: > > 96% PBKC error (Problem between keyboard and chair) > 3% Software > 1% Hardware > > d00d, you're my knew hero. that has to be my favorite so far this year. [root@gmaestro /rpms]# rpm -ivh PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm Preparing...### [100%] file /usr/lib/libpbkc.so.0 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm file /usr/lib/libpbkclib.so.0 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm file /usr/lib/pbkclib.so.1 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.0 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.1 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.2 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm file /usr/lib/libpbkc0.so.3 from install of PBKC-2.0.22-3mdk.i586.rpm requires RTFM-47.0.2-pre3.77mdk.noarch.rpm [root@gmaestro /rpms]# -- Jason Guidry http://www.gmaestro.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > it could be that it just so happen that the network > went down after his install(coincidence?). maybe he > can try expert mode install again using the same card > and see if he can replicate such occurence. or try > installing 8.2 again using a different card like what > civileme suggested. > I can't think of anything else in this situation that could bring his network down inadvertently. I.e., they'd need to be configured or installed separate from the install. A faulty card could potentially storm the network, but this would be unlikely. I think your suggestion that it was coincidental may be the most likely thing. (of course, there was not a whole bunch of information to troubleshoot so gross speculation seemed the best course :/ ). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Probably a Mickeysoft employee being paid to spread FUD. hahahaha Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > Yeah, I'm getting real sick of this M$ cloak-and-dagger assassin crap. > It's like in the last week or so somebody uncorked the bottle containing > every clueless slime crawling M$ troller in the world. > > I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to has only sent three > messages to the expert list since January 12; including this one. None > at all to the newbie list. I checked. Out of those messages, there > were two threads contributed to; this one and the "How Best to Support > Mandrake" thread. No technical issues involved; none at all. > > Now we get this one. Now you all please pardon me if you think I'm > being slightly paranoid; but these days I don't think I'm totally crazy > if I'm suspect of somebody blowing off at the mouth with neither a > coherent question or a coherent demonstration of technical literacy. > > If you have a question, post the bitch. If you don't know where to > start, well, here's a quarter, go buy a clue. PICK A PLACE AND START. > > On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 09:35, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > > care to give more details about your claims? seems to > > me that its just you. im not saying that mandrake 8.2 > > is a very very neat distro but just claiming this and > > that and blaming it all on the distro is not at all > > gonna help you solve your problems. giving more info > > about what you did, your hardware details and when the > > problem shows will at least give us more idea how to > > help you. > > > > --- Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been > > > using Mandrake from > > > the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not > > > configure > > > correctly in so many different ways it is hard to > > > list them all. > > > Network access is not only corrupted but it even > > > corrupts the whole > > > network. > > > > you mean mandrake is that good that it corrupts the > > whole network? not sure you know what you are saying > > here. faulty cards can use up your bandwidth making it > > slow but faulty networking on the OS??? hmmm > > > > > I have installed several times on several > > > machines and have > > > found major process corruption. > > > > like what? > > > > > I maybe wrong but > > > there seems to bed > > > a real problem here. The worse problem is the > > > inability to set up > > > any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work. > > > > did you ever check if your network card was recognized > > at all? > > > > > > > I always install > > > using expert mode in case your wondering. > > > > IMHO, expert mode is for people who really know what > > they are doing. has it ever occur to you that you > > might not be qualified to use "expert mode"? > > > > > My MD5 checked good. > > > Someway in the final release poison was put into the > > > mix or something > > > like that. > > > -- > > > Have a nice day, > > > > this is a list to get help from ... not for just > > pouring out your problems/grievances on the distro > > without basis. if you want help, support your claims > > and be more specific about the details of the problems > > you encounter. this is a good list, hope you use it > > to your advantage. > > > > > ___ > > > "If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no > > > heart " > > > "If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no > > > brain" > > _ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????]
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:14:03 -0600 "J. Craig Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder: > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > Yeah, I'm getting real sick of this M$ cloak-and-dagger > > assassin crap. > > Now we get this one. Now you all please pardon me if you > > think I'm being slightly paranoid; > > Hey Lyvim, > > Do you think Bad Billy could in fact be lurking here? > > > I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to has only > > sent three messages to the expert list since January 12; > > Hey careful about bringing the Countess Montessa into this fray. Royalty > is above that kind of thing > > -- > J. Craig Woods Craig, That possibility hadn't been lost on me and I'm sure many others. It wouldn't surprise for a minute. More likely though it's Bawl-mer gathering fuel for another "idiot-rant" where he stands up and shows the world just how stupid he really is. I can't believe a multi-billion dollar company has such an idiot for a point man in the first place. Even if they "are" the evul empire. -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 7:05am up 9 days, 8:45, 3 users, load average: 0.50, 0.51, 0.41 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On 23 Mar 2002 06:22:09 -0500 Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder: > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 05:41, Simone Riccio wrote: > > Well, i put 8.2 on 5 PCs (ominbook xe2, omnibook xe3, 2 PIV 1.6, Athlon > > 1.2) them all in a network environment and wih all different NICs. I > > had no trouble at all in networking (SMB, Netware, NFS), and i found the > > system a little more responsive than 8.1. (OT - what keeps positvely > > surprising me is how AMD keeps outperforming intel : ) So > > this all seems strange to me! TCP-IP works perfect! I also tried ppptp > > and that's fine too! This Mandrake is a great improvement! > > > > BTW, i had bought a 8.1 powerpack subscription for myself, a prosuite > > for my company, and now a prosuite subscription preorder and i > > myself subscribed to mandrake club and i'm pushing my company towards > > it. I think this is important! Everybody should, in his possibilities, > > help this distro! We are not talking just of a piece of software MDK > > is bringing desktop to linux users... and still gives a reliable server > > (all my servers are mdk! i had a rh but didn't like it at all). I > > can't and don't wanna tell what's to be done... but this is how I do > > support Mandrake and Linux. > > > > All the best > > Simon > > Well, since you brought it up, I just got off of the #mandrake channel > on irc.openprojects.net where I was specifically asking about LM82 > satisfaction. There were three users who had gotten it downloaded and > installed with no problems and they were there on the channel to brag > about how good things were going. I also specifically asked about any > dissatisfaction with LM82. I did'nt get any response to that question. > > Then I come over here to the mandrake expert list whose purpose is to > post questions for help and where everything is recorded for posterity > in the archives, and I end up passing out kleenex instead of help tips. > Either the kleenex people have mistaken the help list for their > psychologist's email address or something else is going on. I tend to > lean towards the something else thing. > > Food for thought has been literally dropping out of the sky lately. > otherwise known as manna... 96% PBKC error (Problem between keyboard and chair) 3% Software 1% Hardware -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 7:05am up 9 days, 8:45, 3 users, load average: 0.50, 0.51, 0.41 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
guys, lets get focused... we are talking about a ***newly installed mdk 8.2 system***. there are 1001+++ ways to bring a network down from one machine if you really had the intention to do so. there are detailed documentations for such (disguised as networking monitoring tools) all over the net. lets not even talk about how winblows tcp/ip stack being very much vulnerable , we already know that. and most of your examples are situations where you bring down winblows machines ... not necessarily the NETWORK like what civileme cited earlier about macof. for larry's case, to me, the only suspect is his network card is faulty or something else beyond his system brought down his network. certainly 8.2 shouldnt have macof enabled to bomb the user's network. and i dont think the install scripts of 8.2 will do such damage else, everyone who already used 8.2 would have complained of such. it could be that it just so happen that the network went down after his install(coincidence?). maybe he can try expert mode install again using the same card and see if he can replicate such occurence. or try installing 8.2 again using a different card like what civileme suggested. ciao dianne --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > [...] > > i still dont see how a fresh install could bring a > > whole network down. i dont really see any logical > > explanation for this. im a network engineer. not > so > > good but i know the basics. are you saying your > whole > > network freezed ? meaning, all the others on your > > network were affected after installing mandrake > 8.2? > > how is this server connected to the network? hubs? > > switch? > > > > It could potentially happen in a few scenarios > (these are really > stretches though): > > The user is running a Token Ring network with the > very buggy Linux > drivers. A node starts beaconing, bringing down the > entire network. > > Or, all machines are non-updated Win95 machines. > There was a bug where a > Samba server would cause certain versions of Windows > to spontaneously > crash. At my last job my office was behind a glass > wall overlooking the > sales department. I'd just brought up a Linux > machine and actually saw > as several PCs started failing, people getting up > and resetting > machines... > > DHCP services are enabled on the Linux machines (not > sure if this could > happen since it would need configuration). > > Samba is setup incorrectly and does something weird > with the PDC. > > WinME machines connecting to Samba servers sometimes > start slowing down. > This is a WinME bug possibly related to duplex, > virus scans, oplocks, > etc.. Ethereal shows a saturated wire as the stupid > WinME machines get > into a cascade of retries. The only thing that seems > to help is to mount > the Samba share as a drive letter rather than a > regular mount. > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: [...] > i still dont see how a fresh install could bring a > whole network down. i dont really see any logical > explanation for this. im a network engineer. not so > good but i know the basics. are you saying your whole > network freezed ? meaning, all the others on your > network were affected after installing mandrake 8.2? > how is this server connected to the network? hubs? > switch? > It could potentially happen in a few scenarios (these are really stretches though): The user is running a Token Ring network with the very buggy Linux drivers. A node starts beaconing, bringing down the entire network. Or, all machines are non-updated Win95 machines. There was a bug where a Samba server would cause certain versions of Windows to spontaneously crash. At my last job my office was behind a glass wall overlooking the sales department. I'd just brought up a Linux machine and actually saw as several PCs started failing, people getting up and resetting machines... DHCP services are enabled on the Linux machines (not sure if this could happen since it would need configuration). Samba is setup incorrectly and does something weird with the PDC. WinME machines connecting to Samba servers sometimes start slowing down. This is a WinME bug possibly related to duplex, virus scans, oplocks, etc.. Ethereal shows a saturated wire as the stupid WinME machines get into a cascade of retries. The only thing that seems to help is to mount the Samba share as a drive letter rather than a regular mount. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
hi civileme --- civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure it is possible to take a network down with a > single machine. There > is a program called macof which does a neat job if > not limited to its > intended purpose which is to flood the local with > random MAC addresses > until the switches fail open in repeating mode. yeah, i agree on that but that is already doing malicious attack on the network. you can use other programs to do that intentionally. macof is part of dsniff package which intercepts network traffic. as far as i know there are countermeasures on switches for such attacks. anyway, larry's problem is upon installation of mdk 8.2, he claimed his network went down because of it, and that is what im surprised about. unless you tell me that mandrake expert install has macof enabled to bomb the switch ;-) > ECS is certainly not gilt-edged hardware, and one > can expect more than > an average share of problems on something made by > _any_ member of the > PCChips group, but I have noticed much better > performance on 8.2 with > most ECS junk than on 8.1 or the betas. > > No big changes were allowed from RC1 to final. Even > a new kernel which > solved a subtle Samba problem concerning shares > whose filenames were in > 16-bit or higher character encodings was held out, > because we did not > have time to thoroughly test it. Based on the > behavior you reported, I > would look for a shrieking network card needing > replacement first. Try > the network with a different net card, and make sure > you kept ACPI > turned off. You might also try booting with > > linux noapic > > Because it may be a faulty interrupt prioritizer on > your board, and 8.2 > DOES use apic in the UP kerbnel (we had too many > people with > multiprocessing rigs populated with Promise or HPT > cards who could not > even install 8.1 and needed apic enabled in the > install kernel). > > Civileme To larry: see, if you give more details of your problems, mandrake staff/users are there to shed light on some particular problems with particular hardware. we can all benefit from each others problems with the distro and learn from it :-) cheers, dianne __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 05:41, Simone Riccio wrote: > Well, i put 8.2 on 5 PCs (ominbook xe2, omnibook xe3, 2 PIV 1.6, Athlon > 1.2) them all in a network environment and wih all different NICs. I > had no trouble at all in networking (SMB, Netware, NFS), and i found the > system a little more responsive than 8.1. (OT - what keeps positvely > surprising me is how AMD keeps outperforming intel : ) So > this all seems strange to me! TCP-IP works perfect! I also tried ppptp > and that's fine too! This Mandrake is a great improvement! > > BTW, i had bought a 8.1 powerpack subscription for myself, a prosuite > for my company, and now a prosuite subscription preorder and i > myself subscribed to mandrake club and i'm pushing my company towards > it. I think this is important! Everybody should, in his possibilities, > help this distro! We are not talking just of a piece of software MDK > is bringing desktop to linux users... and still gives a reliable server > (all my servers are mdk! i had a rh but didn't like it at all). I > can't and don't wanna tell what's to be done... but this is how I do > support Mandrake and Linux. > > All the best > Simon Well, since you brought it up, I just got off of the #mandrake channel on irc.openprojects.net where I was specifically asking about LM82 satisfaction. There were three users who had gotten it downloaded and installed with no problems and they were there on the channel to brag about how good things were going. I also specifically asked about any dissatisfaction with LM82. I did'nt get any response to that question. Then I come over here to the mandrake expert list whose purpose is to post questions for help and where everything is recorded for posterity in the archives, and I end up passing out kleenex instead of help tips. Either the kleenex people have mistaken the help list for their psychologist's email address or something else is going on. I tend to lean towards the something else thing. Food for thought has been literally dropping out of the sky lately. LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: >hi larry, > >im responding to the list on this so that the others >know you are not really the *troll* we thought you >were ... > > >--- Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:44:46 -0600 >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>From: Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Dianne, >> >>Thanks for your concern. >> >>I have an ECS motherboard with a standard RTL >>ethernet pic card. The >>system has operated successfully on 8.1 and the the >>three beta >>releases of 8.2. Believe it or not I do think >>mandrake is one of the >>best two distros. I have actually contributed to >>the PPC version and >>I am a long time paid member of the club. >> >>I guess I was little upset when the fresh install >>took my whole >>network down. >> > >i still dont see how a fresh install could bring a >whole network down. i dont really see any logical >explanation for this. im a network engineer. not so >good but i know the basics. are you saying your whole >network freezed ? meaning, all the others on your >network were affected after installing mandrake 8.2? >how is this server connected to the network? hubs? >switch? > >>I would be amazed if a person was >>not upset at taking >>down a network. It has never happened before. I >>have many machines >>running 8.1 with good success and I consider >>Mandrake to be excellent >>quality. That is the reason it shocked me. >> > >yeah, you still didnt give us details of how the >network went down. > >>Another guy answer me off list and said the problem >>maybe the expert >>install and that he had trouble with it. >> > >i never had problems with my network when i install >new distros. i dont think just installing ANY distro >could bring down the network ... unless your card is >faulty and *spamming* the network with unwanted >packets. > >>I have >>always expert >>installed due to the special needs of the gcc >>compiler. >> >>The only thing that makes this a special install is >>the expert mode. >>Beyond the install was quick and easy. The ethernet >>card was >>correctly recognized and everything seemed fine, >>just as you would >>expect and then the network crashed. I am going to >>try a recommended >>install on a small network. >> > >so, you were able to to install the distro and your >network connection(just for this machine) crashed? im >really confused whats the situation there. anyways, >well be glad to help you if you can give more info. > >cheers, > > > > >= >This email is for the above named person/s only. Usual legal >bullshit covering my own ass applies. Be prepared to get >fucked if you dare misuse the above information. If you >receive this message in error, your existence in this world >must also be an error. Please go and die! You must not >communicate this message to anybody else or I'll send >my friends to look for you. Death to all stupid signatures! > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® >http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Sure it is possible to take a network down with a single machine. There is a program called macof which does a neat job if not limited to its intended purpose which is to flood the local with random MAC addresses until the switches fail open in repeating mode. ECS is certainly not gilt-edged hardware, and one can expect more than an average share of problems on something made by _any_ member of the PCChips group, but I have noticed much better performance on 8.2 with most ECS junk than on 8.1 or the betas. No big changes were allowed from RC1 to final. Even a new kernel which solved a subtle Samba problem concerning shares whose filenames were in 16-bit or higher character encodings was held out, because we did not have time to thoroughly test it. Based on the behavior you reported, I would look for a shrieking network card needing replacement first. Try the network with a different net card, and make sure you kept ACPI turned off. You might also try booting with linux noapic Because it may be a faulty interrupt prioritizer on your board, and 8.2 DOES use apic in the UP kerbnel (we had too many people with multiprocessing rigs populated with Promise or HPT cards who could not even install 8.1 and needed apic enabled in the install kernel). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Well, i put 8.2 on 5 PCs (ominbook xe2, omnibook xe3, 2 PIV 1.6, Athlon
1.2) them all in a network environment and wih all different NICs. I
had no trouble at all in networking (SMB, Netware, NFS), and i found the
system a little more responsive than 8.1. (OT - what keeps positvely
surprising me is how AMD keeps outperforming intel : ) So
this all seems strange to me! TCP-IP works perfect! I also tried ppptp
and that's fine too! This Mandrake is a great improvement!
BTW, i had bought a 8.1 powerpack subscription for myself, a prosuite
for my company, and now a prosuite subscription preorder and i
myself subscribed to mandrake club and i'm pushing my company towards
it. I think this is important! Everybody should, in his possibilities,
help this distro! We are not talking just of a piece of software MDK
is bringing desktop to linux users... and still gives a reliable server
(all my servers are mdk! i had a rh but didn't like it at all). I
can't and don't wanna tell what's to be done... but this is how I do
support Mandrake and Linux.
All the best
Simon
Darren King wrote:
>Hmmmworked ok for me. I have 2 NICs in my machine and they
>configured fine...dhcp to the internet and the other one is the NAT
>server for my home network. One thing that I did find missing is the
>firewall settings though.
>
>Darren
>
>On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 00:55, Larry Blodgett wrote:
>
>>Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been using Mandrake from
>>the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not configure
>>correctly in so many different ways it is hard to list them all.
>>Network access is not only corrupted but it even corrupts the whole
>>network. I have installed several times on several machines and have
>>found major process corruption. I maybe wrong but there seems to bed
>>a real problem here. The worse problem is the inability to set up
>>any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work. I always install
>>using expert mode in case your wondering. My MD5 checked good.
>>Someway in the final release poison was put into the mix or something
>>like that.
>>--
>>Have a nice day,
>>___
>>"If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no heartS( "
>>"If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brainS("
>>___
>>
>>
>>
>
>>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
>>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
>
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
hi larry, im responding to the list on this so that the others know you are not really the *troll* we thought you were ... --- Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:44:46 -0600 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dianne, > > Thanks for your concern. > > I have an ECS motherboard with a standard RTL > ethernet pic card. The > system has operated successfully on 8.1 and the the > three beta > releases of 8.2. Believe it or not I do think > mandrake is one of the > best two distros. I have actually contributed to > the PPC version and > I am a long time paid member of the club. > > I guess I was little upset when the fresh install > took my whole > network down. i still dont see how a fresh install could bring a whole network down. i dont really see any logical explanation for this. im a network engineer. not so good but i know the basics. are you saying your whole network freezed ? meaning, all the others on your network were affected after installing mandrake 8.2? how is this server connected to the network? hubs? switch? > I would be amazed if a person was > not upset at taking > down a network. It has never happened before. I > have many machines > running 8.1 with good success and I consider > Mandrake to be excellent > quality. That is the reason it shocked me. yeah, you still didnt give us details of how the network went down. > > Another guy answer me off list and said the problem > maybe the expert > install and that he had trouble with it. i never had problems with my network when i install new distros. i dont think just installing ANY distro could bring down the network ... unless your card is faulty and *spamming* the network with unwanted packets. > I have > always expert > installed due to the special needs of the gcc > compiler. > > The only thing that makes this a special install is > the expert mode. > Beyond the install was quick and easy. The ethernet > card was > correctly recognized and everything seemed fine, > just as you would > expect and then the network crashed. I am going to > try a recommended > install on a small network. so, you were able to to install the distro and your network connection(just for this machine) crashed? im really confused whats the situation there. anyways, well be glad to help you if you can give more info. cheers, = This email is for the above named person/s only. Usual legal bullshit covering my own ass applies. Be prepared to get fucked if you dare misuse the above information. If you receive this message in error, your existence in this world must also be an error. Please go and die! You must not communicate this message to anybody else or I'll send my friends to look for you. Death to all stupid signatures! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 22:02, civileme wrote: > Well, remember that the list archive is public and now some advertising > departments can be quoting excerpts from our archives... > > Pretty good ploy, I would say, and typical of the predatory attitude we > _don't_ represent. > > Civileme Well, now...that sheds a whole new light on things. Never thought about it from that perspective. Thanks for the heads up, Civ. L8R LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Darren King wrote:
>Hmmmworked ok for me. I have 2 NICs in my machine and they
>configured fine...dhcp to the internet and the other one is the NAT
>server for my home network. One thing that I did find missing is the
>firewall settings though.
>
>Darren
>
>On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 00:55, Larry Blodgett wrote:
>
>>Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been using Mandrake from
>>the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not configure
>>correctly in so many different ways it is hard to list them all.
>>Network access is not only corrupted but it even corrupts the whole
>>network. I have installed several times on several machines and have
>>found major process corruption. I maybe wrong but there seems to bed
>>a real problem here. The worse problem is the inability to set up
>>any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work. I always install
>>using expert mode in case your wondering. My MD5 checked good.
>>Someway in the final release poison was put into the mix or something
>>like that.
>>--
>>Have a nice day,
>>___
>>"If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no heartS( "
>>"If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brainS("
>>___
>>
>>
>>
>
>>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
>>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
>
The firewall settings are available, but the Tiny Firewall was causing
all sorts of problems except on standalone systems.. So it was pulled
for a rewrite--the basic sassumptions were too conservative and the
options simply had not been offered and this is tricky, because we have
to offer the options with explanation to newbies.
As for your post about showstoppers, more likely it is side effects, and
membership in the cooker list or in the crashtesters is open. We have
very few QA engineers and we have no way to test every possible
configuration or use. If you want improvement in that area, you CAN do
something about it by becoming a tester.
For crashtesters membership, email me privately. For cooker, just go to
the main page and look under Developers and sign up.
Civileme
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
>Yeah, I'm getting real sick of this M$ cloak-and-dagger assassin crap.
>It's like in the last week or so somebody uncorked the bottle containing
>every clueless slime crawling M$ troller in the world.
>
>I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to has only sent three
>messages to the expert list since January 12; including this one. None
>at all to the newbie list. I checked. Out of those messages, there
>were two threads contributed to; this one and the "How Best to Support
>Mandrake" thread. No technical issues involved; none at all.
>
>Now we get this one. Now you all please pardon me if you think I'm
>being slightly paranoid; but these days I don't think I'm totally crazy
>if I'm suspect of somebody blowing off at the mouth with neither a
>coherent question or a coherent demonstration of technical literacy.
>
>If you have a question, post the bitch. If you don't know where to
>start, well, here's a quarter, go buy a clue. PICK A PLACE AND START.
>
>On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 09:35, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote:
>
>>care to give more details about your claims? seems to
>>me that its just you. im not saying that mandrake 8.2
>>is a very very neat distro but just claiming this and
>>that and blaming it all on the distro is not at all
>>gonna help you solve your problems. giving more info
>>about what you did, your hardware details and when the
>>problem shows will at least give us more idea how to
>>help you.
>>
>>--- Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been
>>>using Mandrake from
>>>the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not
>>>configure
>>>correctly in so many different ways it is hard to
>>>list them all.
>>>Network access is not only corrupted but it even
>>>corrupts the whole
>>>network.
>>>
>>you mean mandrake is that good that it corrupts the
>>whole network? not sure you know what you are saying
>>here. faulty cards can use up your bandwidth making it
>>slow but faulty networking on the OS??? hmmm
>>
>>>I have installed several times on several
>>>machines and have
>>>found major process corruption.
>>>
>>like what?
>>
>>>I maybe wrong but
>>>there seems to bed
>>>a real problem here. The worse problem is the
>>>inability to set up
>>>any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work.
>>>
>>did you ever check if your network card was recognized
>>at all?
>>
>>
>>>I always install
>>>using expert mode in case your wondering.
>>>
>>IMHO, expert mode is for people who really know what
>>they are doing. has it ever occur to you that you
>>might not be qualified to use "expert mode"?
>>
>>>My MD5 checked good.
>>>Someway in the final release poison was put into the
>>>mix or something
>>>like that.
>>>--
>>>Have a nice day,
>>>
>>this is a list to get help from ... not for just
>>pouring out your problems/grievances on the distro
>>without basis. if you want help, support your claims
>>and be more specific about the details of the problems
>> you encounter. this is a good list, hope you use it
>>to your advantage.
>>
>>>___
>>>"If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no
>>>heartS( "
>>>"If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no
>>>brainS("
>>>
>
>
>
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Well, remember that the list archive is public and now some advertising
departments can be quoting excerpts from our archives...
Pretty good ploy, I would say, and typical of the predatory attitude we
_don't_ represent.
Civileme
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Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Hmmmworked ok for me. I have 2 NICs in my machine and they configured fine...dhcp to the internet and the other one is the NAT server for my home network. One thing that I did find missing is the firewall settings though. Darren On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 00:55, Larry Blodgett wrote: > Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been using Mandrake from > the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not configure > correctly in so many different ways it is hard to list them all. > Network access is not only corrupted but it even corrupts the whole > network. I have installed several times on several machines and have > found major process corruption. I maybe wrong but there seems to bed > a real problem here. The worse problem is the inability to set up > any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work. I always install > using expert mode in case your wondering. My MD5 checked good. > Someway in the final release poison was put into the mix or something > like that. > -- > Have a nice day, > ___ > "If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no heart " > "If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brain" > ___ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????]
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > Yeah, I'm getting real sick of this M$ cloak-and-dagger > assassin crap. > Now we get this one. Now you all please pardon me if you > think I'm being slightly paranoid; Hey Lyvim, Do you think Bad Billy could in fact be lurking here? > I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to has only > sent three messages to the expert list since January 12; Hey careful about bringing the Countess Montessa into this fray. Royalty is above that kind of thing -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Yeah, I'm getting real sick of this M$ cloak-and-dagger assassin crap. It's like in the last week or so somebody uncorked the bottle containing every clueless slime crawling M$ troller in the world. I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to has only sent three messages to the expert list since January 12; including this one. None at all to the newbie list. I checked. Out of those messages, there were two threads contributed to; this one and the "How Best to Support Mandrake" thread. No technical issues involved; none at all. Now we get this one. Now you all please pardon me if you think I'm being slightly paranoid; but these days I don't think I'm totally crazy if I'm suspect of somebody blowing off at the mouth with neither a coherent question or a coherent demonstration of technical literacy. If you have a question, post the bitch. If you don't know where to start, well, here's a quarter, go buy a clue. PICK A PLACE AND START. On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 09:35, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: > care to give more details about your claims? seems to > me that its just you. im not saying that mandrake 8.2 > is a very very neat distro but just claiming this and > that and blaming it all on the distro is not at all > gonna help you solve your problems. giving more info > about what you did, your hardware details and when the > problem shows will at least give us more idea how to > help you. > > --- Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been > > using Mandrake from > > the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not > > configure > > correctly in so many different ways it is hard to > > list them all. > > Network access is not only corrupted but it even > > corrupts the whole > > network. > > you mean mandrake is that good that it corrupts the > whole network? not sure you know what you are saying > here. faulty cards can use up your bandwidth making it > slow but faulty networking on the OS??? hmmm > > > I have installed several times on several > > machines and have > > found major process corruption. > > like what? > > > I maybe wrong but > > there seems to bed > > a real problem here. The worse problem is the > > inability to set up > > any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work. > > did you ever check if your network card was recognized > at all? > > > > I always install > > using expert mode in case your wondering. > > IMHO, expert mode is for people who really know what > they are doing. has it ever occur to you that you > might not be qualified to use "expert mode"? > > > My MD5 checked good. > > Someway in the final release poison was put into the > > mix or something > > like that. > > -- > > Have a nice day, > > this is a list to get help from ... not for just > pouring out your problems/grievances on the distro > without basis. if you want help, support your claims > and be more specific about the details of the problems > you encounter. this is a good list, hope you use it > to your advantage. > > > ___ > > "If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no > > heart " > > "If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no > > brain" _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
care to give more details about your claims? seems to me that its just you. im not saying that mandrake 8.2 is a very very neat distro but just claiming this and that and blaming it all on the distro is not at all gonna help you solve your problems. giving more info about what you did, your hardware details and when the problem shows will at least give us more idea how to help you. --- Larry Blodgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been > using Mandrake from > the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not > configure > correctly in so many different ways it is hard to > list them all. > Network access is not only corrupted but it even > corrupts the whole > network. you mean mandrake is that good that it corrupts the whole network? not sure you know what you are saying here. faulty cards can use up your bandwidth making it slow but faulty networking on the OS??? hmmm > I have installed several times on several > machines and have > found major process corruption. like what? > I maybe wrong but > there seems to bed > a real problem here. The worse problem is the > inability to set up > any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work. did you ever check if your network card was recognized at all? > I always install > using expert mode in case your wondering. IMHO, expert mode is for people who really know what they are doing. has it ever occur to you that you might not be qualified to use "expert mode"? > My MD5 checked good. > Someway in the final release poison was put into the > mix or something > like that. > -- > Have a nice day, this is a list to get help from ... not for just pouring out your problems/grievances on the distro without basis. if you want help, support your claims and be more specific about the details of the problems you encounter. this is a good list, hope you use it to your advantage. > ___ > "If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no > heart " > "If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no > brain" > ___ > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLY Stink??????????
Something is strange in Gotham City. I have been using Mandrake from the beginning. I am a big fan but the 8.2 will not configure correctly in so many different ways it is hard to list them all. Network access is not only corrupted but it even corrupts the whole network. I have installed several times on several machines and have found major process corruption. I maybe wrong but there seems to bed a real problem here. The worse problem is the inability to set up any form of network. TCPIP just doesn't work. I always install using expert mode in case your wondering. My MD5 checked good. Someway in the final release poison was put into the mix or something like that. -- Have a nice day, ___ "If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no heart " "If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brain" ___ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
