Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Truer (and sadder) words have rarely been spoken. Part of the problem comes from the fact (IMHO) that the Universities teach languages and WYSIWYG programs instead of theory and analysis. This alone really does make it hard for them because they don't understand what they are doing and how it relates to the world around them. I don't program but I do manage programmers and it amazes me how I can see the logic problems that are causing them fits and they can't. (heavy math background). James well said James. well said. I knew there was a reason they were feeding us all that theory. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Problem is that more and more websites are being created by people who say 90% of the public is using IE so I'll save money by not testing my webpage in other browsers/OS's James On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:29:52 -0700 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:23:14 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE. This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in favor of proprietary junk. If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd worry about W3C standards. I doubt it since part of the standards problem is the junk these webmasters are using to code these sites with. I think you know what I'm refering to. I can't bring myself to say it because speaking the words causes me to break out in hives. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Any even slightly competent webmaster should and does check his/her pages in several browsers to make sure as much as possible works or at least doesn't do something totally wrong. This is when I usually discover that a certain browser wants me to add additional formatting tags to do what most of the other browsers are doing. -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive, anyway. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Wed, 1 May 2002 16:44:48 -0700 James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem is that more and more websites are being created by people who say 90% of the public is using IE so I'll save money by not testing my webpage in other browsers/OS's James On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:29:52 -0700 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:23:14 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE. This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in favor of proprietary junk. If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd worry about W3C standards. I doubt it since part of the standards problem is the junk these webmasters are using to code these sites with. I think you know what I'm refering to. I can't bring myself to say it because speaking the words causes me to break out in hives. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Any even slightly competent webmaster should and does check his/her pages in several browsers to make sure as much as possible works or at least doesn't do something totally wrong. This is when I usually discover that a certain browser wants me to add additional formatting tags to do what most of the other browsers are doing. -- Too bad some of us take our work seriously and want as many people as possible to view our efforts while others do just what's needed to get by. I remember when everyone was serious about making a site work with as many browsers as possible, and this was done without the aid of a program to do the code for you. Now people use something which does some or all of the tag generation and complains about how difficult things are. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Wed, 01 May 2002 18:30:52 -0700 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 1 May 2002 16:44:48 -0700 James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem is that more and more websites are being created by people who say 90% of the public is using IE so I'll save money by not testing my webpage in other browsers/OS's James On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:29:52 -0700 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:23:14 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE. This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in favor of proprietary junk. If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd worry about W3C standards. I doubt it since part of the standards problem is the junk these webmasters are using to code these sites with. I think you know what I'm refering to. I can't bring myself to say it because speaking the words causes me to break out in hives. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Any even slightly competent webmaster should and does check his/her pages in several browsers to make sure as much as possible works or at least doesn't do something totally wrong. This is when I usually discover that a certain browser wants me to add additional formatting tags to do what most of the other browsers are doing. -- Too bad some of us take our work seriously and want as many people as possible to view our efforts while others do just what's needed to get by. I remember when everyone was serious about making a site work with as many browsers as possible, and this was done without the aid of a program to do the code for you. Now people use something which does some or all of the tag generation and complains about how difficult things are. Truer (and sadder) words have rarely been spoken. Part of the problem comes from the fact (IMHO) that the Universities teach languages and WYSIWYG programs instead of theory and analysis. This alone really does make it hard for them because they don't understand what they are doing and how it relates to the world around them. I don't program but I do manage programmers and it amazes me how I can see the logic problems that are causing them fits and they can't. (heavy math background). James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Brian Parish wrote: User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) -- Femme Sounds like what I'm after. Is this in Galeon? Can't see it here. Blind again??? Brian *hands Brian some glasses with New IMPROVED 3D capability!* Yes its in there... Though thinking about it, I'm not sure if its Konqueror Or Galeon that has it. I believe both. I'll load my linux poke around in there tommorow for you email the instructions pvtly if someone else doesn't give you the correct one by then. Cause atm I'll be damned if I can remember the exact area this is in :) -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:21:25 -0600 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Parish wrote: User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) -- Femme Sounds like what I'm after. Is this in Galeon? Can't see it here. Blind again??? Brian OK I was wrong, its in Konqueror. I got the 2 mixed up. Sorry. Its under SettingsConfigure KonquerorUser Agent. In there you hit New tab, tell it what browser from the dropdown list you want Konq. to imitate. After that it should be simple. A friend of mine uses M$'s site that requires their IE that way. Works for him. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On 30 Apr 2002 15:07:03 +1000, Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 14:38, FemmeFatale wrote: Sevatio wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) -- Femme Sounds like what I'm after. Is this in Galeon? Can't see it here. Blind again??? Brian Here are some instructions for Galeon: http://galeon.sourceforge.net/support/answers.php?faq=user-agent -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The p_page should be a b_page. Duh. -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 17:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:21:25 -0600 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Parish wrote: User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) -- Femme Sounds like what I'm after. Is this in Galeon? Can't see it here. Blind again??? Brian OK I was wrong, its in Konqueror. I got the 2 mixed up. Sorry. Its under SettingsConfigure KonquerorUser Agent. In there you hit New tab, tell it what browser from the dropdown list you want Konq. to imitate. After that it should be simple. A friend of mine uses M$'s site that requires their IE that way. Works for him. Femme OK, found it, did it, but it don't do the business for this site. Doesn't matter though as Opera does it very nicely. thanks again Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE. This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in favor of proprietary junk. If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd worry about W3C standards. I doubt it since part of the standards problem is the junk these webmasters are using to code these sites with. I think you know what I'm refering to. I can't bring myself to say it because speaking the words causes me to break out in hives. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
»FemmeFatale« sagte am 2002-04-29 um 22:38:44 -0600 : User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) However, quite some pages are not using simple UA detection. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 days 7 hours 30 minutes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:23:14 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE. This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in favor of proprietary junk. If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd worry about W3C standards. I doubt it since part of the standards problem is the junk these webmasters are using to code these sites with. I think you know what I'm refering to. I can't bring myself to say it because speaking the words causes me to break out in hives. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Any even slightly competent webmaster should and does check his/her pages in several browsers to make sure as much as possible works or at least doesn't do something totally wrong. This is when I usually discover that a certain browser wants me to add additional formatting tags to do what most of the other browsers are doing. -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive, anyway. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:23:14 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE. This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in favor of proprietary junk. If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd worry about W3C standards. I doubt it since part of the standards problem is the junk these webmasters are using to code these sites with. I think you know what I'm refering to. I can't bring myself to say it because speaking the words causes me to break out in hives. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Any even slightly competent webmaster should and does check his/her pages in several browsers to make sure as much as possible works or at least doesn't do something totally wrong. This is when I usually discover that a certain browser wants me to add additional formatting tags to do what most of the other browsers are doing. -- I'm sorry Brian, but there's only one browser in the world that is content to render an html statement without the closing tag. all other browsers as I've experienced want the closing tag to be there. and if MS would come up to standards you wouldn't have to check your pages in other browsers to ensure the pages you're outputting will and can be read by anything apart from IE. supplying only part of a statement without closing that statement is just sloppy, and lazy coding practice. this sloppy coding practice flows over into their SQL server platform as well. one only needs to work on the MS SQL server for a short time to witness this. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:31:00 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: »FemmeFatale« sagte am 2002-04-29 um 22:38:44 -0600 : User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) However, quite some pages are not using simple UA detection. Alexander Skwar -- Well... that does suck Alexander. :\ I'm sorry to hear that. *sigh* I tried. Its the only solution I know of because I despise opera Konqueror isn't my fave either. Frankly I like Galeon but I do use K a few times if I must too. Thx Luv, I'll keep that in mind, and thx to Sridhar too for his Galeon URL. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] browser nazi buster
Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE. This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in favor of proprietary junk. If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd worry about W3C standards. On 30 Apr 2002 11:49:20 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive, anyway. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Opera has a way you can tell it to imitate other browsers. It has worked for me so far. Peace, Dennis in Victoria Brian Parish wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Brian Parish wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Have you tried Junkbusters? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Sevatio wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Exactly where in the preferences? - doesnt show on my version (Galeon 1.2.1) or in the help file? At one time I changed the version string before compiling it which worked as well. BillK On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 12:38, FemmeFatale wrote: Sevatio wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert This message has been 'sanitized'. This means that potentially dangerous content has been rewritten or removed. The following log describes which actions were taken. Sanitizer (start=1020142220): Part (pos=2656): SanitizeFile (filename=unnamed.txt, mimetype=text/plain): Match (rule=2): Enforced policy: accept Part (pos=3657): SanitizeFile (filename=message.footer, mimetype=text/plain): Match (rule=default): Enforced policy: defang Replaced mime type with: application/DEFANGED-14 Replaced file name with: message_footer.DEFANGED-14 Total modifications so far: 1 Anomy 0.0.0 : Sanitizer.pm $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.54 2002/02/15 16:59:07 bre Exp $ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 14:38, FemmeFatale wrote: Sevatio wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian User the User Agent Option in the preferences page. It works for me :) -- Femme Sounds like what I'm after. Is this in Galeon? Can't see it here. Blind again??? Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] browser nazi buster
Thanks Dennis and Brian, Opera does it just fine. Now if I can just convince Star Office 6 to open the Word docs they send me without crashing Brian On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 13:00, Dennis Myhand wrote: Opera has a way you can tell it to imitate other browsers. It has worked for me so far. Peace, Dennis in Victoria Brian Parish wrote: Can anyone point me at a way of fooling a website that insists on IE and refuses to load if anything else is used? Supposedly this is because the site uses some javascript that doesn't work in Netscape and some other browsers, but I'd be surprised if Galeon couldn't handle it. Is there a way of having Galeon, or another linux browser tell the site that it's IE, but still behave reasonably in other ways? I'd like to avoid using the site at all of course, but unfortunately I work for these people, and this secure site is how my jobs get allocated. TIA Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
