Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Monday 03 February 2003 03:40 am, Ron Stodden wrote: Vincent Danen wrote: Sure, but everything tested out fine with the secteam, with QA, and with me. Without knowing the symtomd (nevermind the packages), how can we fix it? You presume too much. Tell us what got clobbered. My 9.0 machines, with all updates applied, are rock solid. Alas! My reply was inadvertenly attached to James Sparenburgs's message below. My apologies. All Linux partitions on both machines worked perfectly for about 6 months after expert installation. Then these problems started appearing on 3 of the partitions. Interestingly, a reinstall did not fix anything, like it does with Windows 98 (but _NOT_ always) - which is a serious requirements or design problem with the Mandrake installer. I had two Mandrake Linux systems fail with disk in a horrible state in the past six months. Both were SiS AMD boards, the last a K7S6A (SiS745). Both hard disks came back to life with a low level format (One an IBM ATA 100 40GB drive, the other a Maxtor). I replaced the motherboard in the first system and have used it as a developoment machine/workstation for months without incident. The second system I reloaded with (gasp!) W2K which appeared to go well but within a week started acting flaky. Software installations failed, and simple tasks like burning CDs showed instability in disk throughput (fluctuating) buffer levels). After replacing the motherboard in the second system with a VIA chipset board (MS6378), the system appears to be rock solid. I am convinced that hardware is a factor in many bug reports. If bug reports included motherboard/CPU/diskdrive we might spot a correlation in a matter of weeks. Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Monday 03 Feb 2003 12:27 pm, tarvid wrote: I am convinced that hardware is a factor in many bug reports. If bug reports included motherboard/CPU/diskdrive we might spot a correlation in a matter of weeks. I think this bears more investigation. I have a feeling that motherboard based problems have increased recently, and wonder if there is any correlation with the increased weight of heat sinks and fans required for high powered processors, and the inevitable extra strain on the supporting mobo. Seems to me that since mobos normally stand upright these days the strain must be great. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
Then let all go with the new VIA ITX MB's and we will all be fine. FYI, 933mhz embedded proc with everything included (www.viatech.com) is $120 on pricewatch.com...complete system for less than $400. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!! On Monday 03 Feb 2003 12:27 pm, tarvid wrote: I am convinced that hardware is a factor in many bug reports. If bug reports included motherboard/CPU/diskdrive we might spot a correlation in a matter of weeks. I think this bears more investigation. I have a feeling that motherboard based problems have increased recently, and wonder if there is any correlation with the increased weight of heat sinks and fans required for high powered processors, and the inevitable extra strain on the supporting mobo. Seems to me that since mobos normally stand upright these days the strain must be great. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Monday 03 Feb 2003 12:45 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: Then let all go with the new VIA ITX MB's and we will all be fine. FYI, 933mhz embedded proc with everything included (www.viatech.com) is $120 on pricewatch.com...complete system for less than $400. They look good value for systems that are not overstretched. However, a 933 processor is acceptable at this moment, but probably not enough for many newer games (I don't play them, so I'm guessing), the on-board video probably has the same limitation, and I don't think I could be satisfied with the AC97 sound either. I think this is a case of horses for courses. OTOH, if I'm right, then some mobos may prove more rigid than others and less prone to the problem. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 06:45 -0600, Robert Wideman wrote: Then let all go with the new VIA ITX MB's and we will all be fine. FYI, 933mhz embedded proc with everything included (www.viatech.com) is $120 on pricewatch.com...complete system for less than $400. I'd really like to see 9.1 dealing with this hardware on the VIA ITX. Specs of the EPIA M9000 (that's the one with the included 933 cpu), offered in Germany by www.alternate.de for 189 EURO (around $205): - VIA C3 cpu 933 MHz - RAM up to 1024M (DDR, PC-200, PC-266) - Graphics: VIA CastleRock AGP (up to 64M shared memory) - Sound: VIA VT1616 6-channel AC97 Codec - NIC: VIA VT6103 10/100 Mbit USB 2.0, Firewire, 2x IDE (166), and all the rest. This may amount to a complete system with a 80G harddisk, DVD/CD-RW and floppy drive and 512M RAM to approx EURO 550-600 ($600-650). Sorry, I forgot the case, some $50 more. That's the cheapest you can get with these specs. Of course it's a very cheap way to upgrade an older 400MHz system which you can canibalize for harddisk, DVD, DC-RW, floppy and case. Anybody got that mobo already? wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
more likely it may be you are attempting to run at your hard drives faster speeds than the MObo, chipset and drives can stand and they are getting noise and chatter and EMF On Monday 03 February 2003 07:31 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 03 Feb 2003 12:27 pm, tarvid wrote: I am convinced that hardware is a factor in many bug reports. If bug reports included motherboard/CPU/diskdrive we might spot a correlation in a matter of weeks. I think this bears more investigation. I have a feeling that motherboard based problems have increased recently, and wonder if there is any correlation with the increased weight of heat sinks and fans required for high powered processors, and the inevitable extra strain on the supporting mobo. Seems to me that since mobos normally stand upright these days the strain must be great. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
Rob, Beautiful little board isn't it. I've got one I'm repairing (actually it's chassis I broke a wheel.) I installed it in a 1/10th scale car body . It's solid low noise and does anything you want except maybe hardcore gaming. LOVE IT! James On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 04:45, Robert Wideman wrote: Then let all go with the new VIA ITX MB's and we will all be fine. FYI, 933mhz embedded proc with everything included (www.viatech.com) is $120 on pricewatch.com...complete system for less than $400. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!! On Monday 03 Feb 2003 12:27 pm, tarvid wrote: I am convinced that hardware is a factor in many bug reports. If bug reports included motherboard/CPU/diskdrive we might spot a correlation in a matter of weeks. I think this bears more investigation. I have a feeling that motherboard based problems have increased recently, and wonder if there is any correlation with the increased weight of heat sinks and fans required for high powered processors, and the inevitable extra strain on the supporting mobo. Seems to me that since mobos normally stand upright these days the strain must be great. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
Wobo, I've had it in the previos form. (800mhz version) for about 6 months. Not even a hiccup. Just gotta view the 9.0 errata for the install trick Only hiccup I've had is that the cdrom drive I bought doesn't like XP disks (I tried everything) Which to me just means it's a quality cdrom drive.*grin*.. James On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 05:24, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 06:45 -0600, Robert Wideman wrote: Then let all go with the new VIA ITX MB's and we will all be fine. FYI, 933mhz embedded proc with everything included (www.viatech.com) is $120 on pricewatch.com...complete system for less than $400. I'd really like to see 9.1 dealing with this hardware on the VIA ITX. Specs of the EPIA M9000 (that's the one with the included 933 cpu), offered in Germany by www.alternate.de for 189 EURO (around $205): - VIA C3 cpu 933 MHz - RAM up to 1024M (DDR, PC-200, PC-266) - Graphics: VIA CastleRock AGP (up to 64M shared memory) - Sound: VIA VT1616 6-channel AC97 Codec - NIC: VIA VT6103 10/100 Mbit USB 2.0, Firewire, 2x IDE (166), and all the rest. This may amount to a complete system with a 80G harddisk, DVD/CD-RW and floppy drive and 512M RAM to approx EURO 550-600 ($600-650). Sorry, I forgot the case, some $50 more. That's the cheapest you can get with these specs. Of course it's a very cheap way to upgrade an older 400MHz system which you can canibalize for harddisk, DVD, DC-RW, floppy and case. Anybody got that mobo already? wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Monday 03 February 2003 05:27 am, tarvid wrote: On Monday 03 February 2003 03:40 am, Ron Stodden wrote: Vincent Danen wrote: Sure, but everything tested out fine with the secteam, with QA, and with me. Without knowing the symtomd (nevermind the packages), how can we fix it? You presume too much. Tell us what got clobbered. My 9.0 machines, with all updates applied, are rock solid. Alas! My reply was inadvertenly attached to James Sparenburgs's message below. My apologies. All Linux partitions on both machines worked perfectly for about 6 months after expert installation. Then these problems started appearing on 3 of the partitions. Interestingly, a reinstall did not fix anything, like it does with Windows 98 (but _NOT_ always) - which is a serious requirements or design problem with the Mandrake installer. I had two Mandrake Linux systems fail with disk in a horrible state in the past six months. Both were SiS AMD boards, the last a K7S6A (SiS745). Both hard disks came back to life with a low level format (One an IBM ATA 100 40GB drive, the other a Maxtor). I replaced the motherboard in the first system and have used it as a developoment machine/workstation for months without incident. The second system I reloaded with (gasp!) W2K which appeared to go well but within a week started acting flaky. Software installations failed, and simple tasks like burning CDs showed instability in disk throughput (fluctuating) buffer levels). After replacing the motherboard in the second system with a VIA chipset board (MS6378), the system appears to be rock solid. I am convinced that hardware is a factor in many bug reports. If bug reports included motherboard/CPU/diskdrive we might spot a correlation in a matter of weeks. Hey Jim, I would agree with you on the hardware. Any chance you are using an ATI card? I had an ATI Radeon all in wonder and had all kinds of weird problems. The worst was it would run for a week to 10 days and totally trash my hard drive data. I took back motherboards, drives... until someone suggested I go to Nvidia. Not a single problem since. ?? Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
