Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[Lee Roberts]

I doubt we'll ever see a Warp 5 client.

At 09:33 AM 1/21/2002 -0500, daRcmaTTeR wrote:
>Scott,
>
>I mean no offense, but thats just gross! My Penguin at home just winced
>when I opened this message. Eeasy now...this is a Linux list.
>
>Mark (a.k.a. daRcmaTTeR)
>
>Scott Thurmond wrote:
>> 
>> When is the second half of OS/2 coming out?  
>> 
>> I used OS/2 for many years and had a lot of good success with it.  I have
>> always thought it was better than windows but the Big Blue isn't the best at
>> marketing - at least when it comes to Gates and the boys.
>> 




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Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[daRcmaTTeR]

Scott,

I mean no offense, but thats just gross! My Penguin at home just winced
when I opened this message. Eeasy now...this is a Linux list.

Mark (a.k.a. daRcmaTTeR)

Scott Thurmond wrote:
> 
> When is the second half of OS/2 coming out?  
> 
> I used OS/2 for many years and had a lot of good success with it.  I have
> always thought it was better than windows but the Big Blue isn't the best at
> marketing - at least when it comes to Gates and the boys.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Varney
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] ps -OT- and Holy Wars
> 
>How soon we forget: OS/2. Well, not completely - my wrist pad says
> "Starting today, everything your computer has ever done, it will do
> better. OS/2"
> 
> Mike Leone wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>Holy Wars about which OS is the best will go on forever. And we can
> >>thank Linus for this because only a few short years ago there were no
> >>such discussions when it came to the desktop. Would it not be suffice to
> >>
> >
> > Sure there were, but they were limited to Mac or Windows.
> >
> 
> --
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> Cold Spring, KY
> http://w3.one.net/~lvarney
> 
>   
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RE: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Battista, JohnX]

My two cents to this:

I have not had to reboot or shutdown my system since getting it installed
and running the way I want it to be running.
This includes Win2k and WinXP.
I only shutdown on the weekends at work to save power < company policy >.
At home, my Win2k box runs 24/7, as does my Linux gateway and my linux
servers.
I can game, do work, read email etc etc on the Win2k box.
PIII 700
256MB
60Gig WD600BB drive
Asus CUSL2-C
3Com 905C
SamSung DVD
Creative Labs TNT2 32MB AGP
Toshiba CDRW 6x4x24

But, hey.. That's how my systems run.
Someone else may have to reboot 4 times a day... But I think at that point
they really need to check the system, something just is not right 
With their hardware.

-Original Message-
From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 4:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike Leone
Subject: Re: [expert] ps -OT-


How often do you reboot your W2k machine?  Not because it crashed or 
anything, just because?



On Thursday 17 January 2002 10:29, Mike Leone wrote:
> > Livin' in Linux is getting much easier nowadays, no need to scandisk,
>
> defrag
>
> > (thx to reiserfs and ext3), restart, reinstall (when we got win
crashed),
>
> and
>
> As I said ... my Win2K OS never crashes, and I've never had to re-install
> the OS. In previous versions of Windows, especially the consumer versions
> (Win9x, WinME), that was true.
>
> > ps: no more worm, and anti-virus alert if we close all hole, patching,
> > udpating kernel, filtering any package we send and receive from the
world
>
> to
>
> > our PC. How bout win? gosh, Billy ask to much.
>
> Never had a worm or virus on my Windoes machines, either.
>
> As I say, I'm an old Linux user ... since about 1997 or so. So I know how
> much better it is today, than that point in time. And I give MS grief all
> the time. But fair is fair.


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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[mike]

How often do you reboot your W2k machine?  Not because it crashed or 
anything, just because?



On Thursday 17 January 2002 10:29, Mike Leone wrote:
> > Livin' in Linux is getting much easier nowadays, no need to scandisk,
>
> defrag
>
> > (thx to reiserfs and ext3), restart, reinstall (when we got win crashed),
>
> and
>
> As I said ... my Win2K OS never crashes, and I've never had to re-install
> the OS. In previous versions of Windows, especially the consumer versions
> (Win9x, WinME), that was true.
>
> > ps: no more worm, and anti-virus alert if we close all hole, patching,
> > udpating kernel, filtering any package we send and receive from the world
>
> to
>
> > our PC. How bout win? gosh, Billy ask to much.
>
> Never had a worm or virus on my Windoes machines, either.
>
> As I say, I'm an old Linux user ... since about 1997 or so. So I know how
> much better it is today, than that point in time. And I give MS grief all
> the time. But fair is fair.


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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Mike Leone]

> Livin' in Linux is getting much easier nowadays, no need to scandisk,
defrag
> (thx to reiserfs and ext3), restart, reinstall (when we got win crashed),
and

As I said ... my Win2K OS never crashes, and I've never had to re-install
the OS. In previous versions of Windows, especially the consumer versions
(Win9x, WinME), that was true.

> ps: no more worm, and anti-virus alert if we close all hole, patching,
> udpating kernel, filtering any package we send and receive from the world
to
> our PC. How bout win? gosh, Billy ask to much.

Never had a worm or virus on my Windoes machines, either.

As I say, I'm an old Linux user ... since about 1997 or so. So I know how
much better it is today, than that point in time. And I give MS grief all
the time. But fair is fair.





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Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[Ronald J. Hall]

Larry Varney wrote:
> 
>How soon we forget: OS/2. Well, not completely - my wrist pad says
> "Starting today, everything your computer has ever done, it will do
> better. OS/2"

I -still- know people who are big on Atari/Amiga's! 

> Larry Varney
> Cold Spring, KY
> http://w3.one.net/~lvarney

Hey, a fellow Kentuckian! I'm down here in Prestonsburg (2 hours from
Lexington). Where is Cold Spring? ;-)

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[Mario Michael da Costa]

Ric Tibbetts wrote:

> Each of the current batch of OSs have their strengths & weaknesses. It's
yeah well some of the OS's have more weaknesses than others.


my Rs. 0.02 worth, and trust me a Rupee is way less then a $ :o)

Regards,
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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[meta]

Win2K might be good. 
But, too expensive to buy another sotware tools that I need to do programming.
Visual Studio? CF Studio? 
Well, I got only My 3 disk Mandrake, and support from a very active linux 
community all over the world (nothing's is free from M$).

I got all tools to do web programming. Since I only use postgres, mysql and 
oracle, everything is all there. BlueFish, phpmyadmin, mysq-navigator, 
phppgadmin, phporadmin and many oracle tools (not to mention from oracle 
itself).

Livin' in Linux is getting much easier nowadays, no need to scandisk, defrag 
(thx to reiserfs and ext3), restart, reinstall (when we got win crashed), and 
the GUI is not bad at all. Updating software is much easier to do (thx to 
debian`s apt-get, mandrake`s cooker, freshmeat and many more)
Most of them (I use only GPL software in my Mandrake), are all free, 
everything u got from community, and u only need to do good to help 
community, not like, Billy that hate linux coz it stole some from his wallet. 

I use Debian and Mandrake, both are making me much aware now about freedom, :)
I leave my Win to play games and do the design, but soon . there would be 
available in linux. How soon? We can start from now, to make it available. 
That's the differences between open-source community and the close one. 

-m-

ps: no more worm, and anti-virus alert if we close all hole, patching, 
udpating kernel, filtering any package we send and receive from the world to 
our PC. How bout win? gosh, Billy ask to much.




On Thursday 17 January 2002 03:14, you wrote:
> > Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do in being as lousy an operating
>
> system
>
> > as Windows 2000 (wife has it on her machine, support it 40 hours each
>
> week,
>
> > it sucks).   A lot of stuff is coming out daily about XP also (which is
>
> why I
>
> See, I gotta disagree. I use Win2K daily at work, and do support it. It
> ain't a bad OS. It for sure is better than NT or Win9x/ME.



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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Michael Leone]

On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 19:02, mike wrote:
> Amen!  Actually it was Mandrake 6.5 that really drove me to hate Windows.  I 
> must have bellowed fo 2 days straight about how it was poosible to create a 
> real OS and Microsoft was charging big bucks for garbage (Win2000).  Mandrake 
> 7.2 was da bomb, and 8.0 did solve more problems than it created (see with MS 
> it goes the other way, they get worse with time --  the OS that stopped 
> running your apps 2 days no longer crashes immediately; you can wait another 
> day or 2 to reboot).  

Win2K never BSODs on me, nor do I need to reboot all that often; things
have gotten much better over time.

How about we focus on LINUX on this list, instead of pouring invective
on other OSes?

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[mike]

Amen!  Actually it was Mandrake 6.5 that really drove me to hate Windows.  I 
must have bellowed fo 2 days straight about how it was poosible to create a 
real OS and Microsoft was charging big bucks for garbage (Win2000).  Mandrake 
7.2 was da bomb, and 8.0 did solve more problems than it created (see with MS 
it goes the other way, they get worse with time --  the OS that stopped 
running your apps 2 days no longer crashes immediately; you can wait another 
day or 2 to reboot).  

On Wednesday 16 January 2002 16:01, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> mike wrote:
> > Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do in being as lousy an operating
> > system as Windows 2000 (wife has it on her machine, support it 40 hours
> > each week, it sucks).   A lot of stuff is coming out daily about XP also
> > (which is why I am not suggesting wife "upgrade" to it).  I fear that
> > Mandrake may catch up, however,  I actually installed SuSE 7.3 one one of
> > my (ex)Mandrake boxen and am tempted to do the other.  Literally
> > everything I was complaining about Mandrake breaking between 7.2 and 8.0
> > workes on SuSE 7.3.  Waiting for Mandrake 8.2, though;  Mandrake is still
> > more friendly and intuitive.
> >
> > mg
>
> I'm sorry, but I can't sit here and take it. NO Waay is Mandrake as
> "lousy" an OS as any version of Windog I've been forced to use... ;-(
>
> Just "IMHO"... ;-)


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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[mike]

The OS that runs my toaster is better than NT or 9x.  On the other hand I 
would't trust 2000 to run my toaster either.


On Wednesday 16 January 2002 15:14, Mike Leone wrote:
> > Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do in being as lousy an operating
>
> system
>
> > as Windows 2000 (wife has it on her machine, support it 40 hours each
>
> week,
>
> > it sucks).   A lot of stuff is coming out daily about XP also (which is
>
> why I
>
> See, I gotta disagree. I use Win2K daily at work, and do support it. It
> ain't a bad OS. It for sure is better than NT or Win9x/ME.


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RE: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[Scott Thurmond]

When is the second half of OS/2 coming out?  

I used OS/2 for many years and had a lot of good success with it.  I have
always thought it was better than windows but the Big Blue isn't the best at
marketing - at least when it comes to Gates and the boys.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Varney
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars


   How soon we forget: OS/2. Well, not completely - my wrist pad says
"Starting today, everything your computer has ever done, it will do
better. OS/2"

Mike Leone wrote:

>>
>>Holy Wars about which OS is the best will go on forever. And we can
>>thank Linus for this because only a few short years ago there were no
>>such discussions when it came to the desktop. Would it not be suffice to
>>
>
> Sure there were, but they were limited to Mac or Windows.
>



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Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[Larry Varney]

   How soon we forget: OS/2. Well, not completely - my wrist pad says 
"Starting today, everything your computer has ever done, it will do 
better. OS/2"

Mike Leone wrote:

>>
>>Holy Wars about which OS is the best will go on forever. And we can
>>thank Linus for this because only a few short years ago there were no
>>such discussions when it came to the desktop. Would it not be suffice to
>>
> 
> Sure there were, but they were limited to Mac or Windows.
> 



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Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[Mike Leone]

> 
> Holy Wars about which OS is the best will go on forever. And we can
> thank Linus for this because only a few short years ago there were no
> such discussions when it came to the desktop. Would it not be suffice to

Sure there were, but they were limited to Mac or Windows.





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Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[Ric Tibbetts]

"J. Craig Woods" wrote:
> 
> Mike Leone wrote:
> > See, I gotta disagree. I use Win2K daily at work, and do support it. It
> > ain't a bad OS. It for sure is better than NT or Win9x/ME.
> 
> 
> Holy Wars about which OS is the best will go on forever. And we can
> thank Linus for this because only a few short years ago there were no
> such discussions when it came to the desktop. Would it not be suffice to
> say that each person will hopefully find their own OS with which they
> are most comfortable? And let us all pity the fool who will stay with
> something he or she does not like but possesses the free will to
> change
> 

Good point Craig!.
Personally, I'm glad we HAVE the choice now!
Each of the current batch of OSs have their strengths & weaknesses. It's
just a matter of what is important to you. There's simply no longer a
need to stay with an OS you hate.

Just my $0.02

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Ronald J. Hall]

mike wrote:
> 
> Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do in being as lousy an operating system
> as Windows 2000 (wife has it on her machine, support it 40 hours each week,
> it sucks).   A lot of stuff is coming out daily about XP also (which is why I
> am not suggesting wife "upgrade" to it).  I fear that Mandrake may catch up,
> however,  I actually installed SuSE 7.3 one one of my (ex)Mandrake boxen and
> am tempted to do the other.  Literally everything I was complaining about
> Mandrake breaking between 7.2 and 8.0 workes on SuSE 7.3.  Waiting for
> Mandrake 8.2, though;  Mandrake is still more friendly and intuitive.
> 
> mg

I'm sorry, but I can't sit here and take it. NO Waay is Mandrake as
"lousy" an OS as any version of Windog I've been forced to use... ;-(

Just "IMHO"... ;-)

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT- and Holy Wars

[J. Craig Woods]

Mike Leone wrote:
> See, I gotta disagree. I use Win2K daily at work, and do support it. It
> ain't a bad OS. It for sure is better than NT or Win9x/ME.
 

Holy Wars about which OS is the best will go on forever. And we can
thank Linus for this because only a few short years ago there were no
such discussions when it came to the desktop. Would it not be suffice to
say that each person will hopefully find their own OS with which they
are most comfortable? And let us all pity the fool who will stay with
something he or she does not like but possesses the free will to
change


j. craig woods
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RE: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Franki]

yup, as much as I dislike M$, I have to say that 2000 is the best thing they
have released OS wise..

It aint perfect, but its more secure then 9x/ME (not that thats saying much,
it still has alot of holes.)
Its much more stable then 9X, I only have to restart once a day or so, as
opposed to twice an hour with 9x.
Its hardware fussy..
Its not particularly good for games.

Having said all that, I still use it, and I get work done on it.. and its
protected at every side by a paranoid linux server.. whats not to like???
:-)


I will never buy another M$ operating system though..

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Leone
Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 4:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] ps -OT-


> Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do in being as lousy an operating
system
> as Windows 2000 (wife has it on her machine, support it 40 hours each
week,
> it sucks).   A lot of stuff is coming out daily about XP also (which is
why I

See, I gotta disagree. I use Win2K daily at work, and do support it. It
ain't a bad OS. It for sure is better than NT or Win9x/ME.







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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Mike Leone]

> Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do in being as lousy an operating
system
> as Windows 2000 (wife has it on her machine, support it 40 hours each
week,
> it sucks).   A lot of stuff is coming out daily about XP also (which is
why I

See, I gotta disagree. I use Win2K daily at work, and do support it. It
ain't a bad OS. It for sure is better than NT or Win9x/ME.





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[mike]

Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do in being as lousy an operating system 
as Windows 2000 (wife has it on her machine, support it 40 hours each week, 
it sucks).   A lot of stuff is coming out daily about XP also (which is why I 
am not suggesting wife "upgrade" to it).  I fear that Mandrake may catch up, 
however,  I actually installed SuSE 7.3 one one of my (ex)Mandrake boxen and 
am tempted to do the other.  Literally everything I was complaining about 
Mandrake breaking between 7.2 and 8.0 workes on SuSE 7.3.  Waiting for 
Mandrake 8.2, though;  Mandrake is still more friendly and intuitive.

mg



On Tuesday 15 January 2002 20:23, Dwaine Felch wrote:
> The truth of the matter is if Mandrake is compared to Win9x or ME
> Mandrake
> Is far superior BUT, put Mandrake up against Win2000 or better yet WinXP
> and
> Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Weaver
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] ps -OT-
>
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:10 -0500
> "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words
>
> to ponder:
> > Jason Guidry wrote:
> > > so you'll have to excuse me if I don't join you guys in lamenting
> > > that LM8.1 isn't more like Windows ME.
> >
> > Jason, I won't even ask anyone to excuse me! That Mandrake (any
> > version) is not more like Windog is a blessing... 
>
> why in the world would anyone in their "right" mind want Mandrake to be
> more like something that crashes often and rarely works correctly? thats
> absolutely insane!!


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[Ronald J. Hall]

Carroll Grigsby wrote:

> Look, you stick to your vices, I'll stick to mine. (Actually, I've got the
> Model 69+ with the semi-automatic beer dispenser, dual overhead cams and
> racing stripes.)
> -- cmg

Semi-automatic beer dispenser? I ->want<- one! ;-)

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[James Sparenberg]

Ron,
  I trust him to do whatever benifits him in the short run and fsck's the consumer 
and it's wallet.

James

Political sig 2002: I've got my daddy's shoes, his pants and his old job.. wonder 
why he says he want's to keep the trains?


On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:42:42 -0500
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dwaine Felch wrote:
> > 
> > The truth of the matter is if Mandrake is compared to Win9x or ME
> > Mandrake
> > Is far superior BUT, put Mandrake up against Win2000 or better yet WinXP
> > and
> > Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do.
> 
> I have to politely disagree. ;-)
> 
> My brother is running XP on his machine, andI don't like it. I just don't
> see anything there that I miss. (and oh-so many things I definitely do NOT
> want!)
> 
> Aside from the licensing issues and hardware monitoring issues, who can truly
> say "I trust Microsoft and Bill Gates?"... I know I can't...
> 
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[Ric Tibbetts]

Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 10:21 pm, you wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 January 2002 08:50 pm, you wrote:
> > > SuperStud
> > > Model 69 Combination
> >
> > LOL.
> >
> > Am I the only one for whom this name didn't conjure up a picture of a
> > scanner, coffee maker, & cig lighter?
> >
> > -s
> 
> Look, you stick to your vices, I'll stick to mine. (Actually, I've got the
> Model 69+ with the semi-automatic beer dispenser, dual overhead cams and
> racing stripes.)
> -- cmg

Hey S, I think he missed your point. LOL

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[Carroll Grigsby]

On Tuesday 15 January 2002 10:21 pm, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 08:50 pm, you wrote:
> > SuperStud
> > Model 69 Combination
>
> LOL.
>
> Am I the only one for whom this name didn't conjure up a picture of a
> scanner, coffee maker, & cig lighter?
>
> -s

Look, you stick to your vices, I'll stick to mine. (Actually, I've got the 
Model 69+ with the semi-automatic beer dispenser, dual overhead cams and 
racing stripes.)
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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Ronald J. Hall]

Dwaine Felch wrote:
> 
> The truth of the matter is if Mandrake is compared to Win9x or ME
> Mandrake
> Is far superior BUT, put Mandrake up against Win2000 or better yet WinXP
> and
> Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do.

I have to politely disagree. ;-)

My brother is running XP on his machine, andI don't like it. I just don't
see anything there that I miss. (and oh-so many things I definitely do NOT
want!)

Aside from the licensing issues and hardware monitoring issues, who can truly
say "I trust Microsoft and Bill Gates?"... I know I can't...

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[s]

On Tuesday 15 January 2002 08:50 pm, you wrote:
> SuperStud
> Model 69 Combination 

LOL.  

Am I the only one for whom this name didn't conjure up a picture of a 
scanner, coffee maker, & cig lighter?

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[Michael Leone]

On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 21:50, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 08:38 pm, you wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 20:23, Dwaine Felch wrote:
> > > The truth of the matter is if Mandrake is compared to Win9x or ME
> > > Mandrake
> > > Is far superior BUT, put Mandrake up against Win2000 or better yet WinXP
> > > and
> > > Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do.
> >
> > Dunno about a LOT. But in *some* areas, maybe.
> 
> Right -- no BSOD, viruses, worms, defragging, rent-not-buy licensing, 
> predatory pricing, features-over-security, antimated paper clips, monopoly 
> convictions and, of course, the ever-famous Bob (or was that boob?) 

The "Bob" technology *is* the paper clip. Curtesy of Melinda Gates,
former Product manager of MS Bob, and now wife of Billy.

As for the rest .. well, every OS does *some things* right, or in a way
preferable to other OSes.

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[Carroll Grigsby]

On Tuesday 15 January 2002 08:38 pm, you wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 20:23, Dwaine Felch wrote:
> > The truth of the matter is if Mandrake is compared to Win9x or ME
> > Mandrake
> > Is far superior BUT, put Mandrake up against Win2000 or better yet WinXP
> > and
> > Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do.
>
> Dunno about a LOT. But in *some* areas, maybe.

Right -- no BSOD, viruses, worms, defragging, rent-not-buy licensing, 
predatory pricing, features-over-security, antimated paper clips, monopoly 
convictions and, of course, the ever-famous Bob (or was that boob?) And 
please don't bring up the topic of how difficult it is to configure hardware 
in Linux, because I can send you to some windows user lists where there 
is a constant stream of pathetic questions: "How come my SuperStud Model 69 
Combination Scanner, Coffee Maker and Cigarette Lighter isn't supported in 
WinXP? It worked just fine in '95." Or, "What do you mean that my Norton 
Utilities don't work in XP?" It ain't no bowl of cherries in WindowsLand 
these days, folks.

OK, I do still have '98SE on this thing. Not being a gamer, it's only use 
these days is pretty much confined to Quicken (note to self -- install 
GnuCash), AutoCad, Hearts and infrequent Flight Simulator sessions. That's 
about it. When I first heard about the XP licensing terms, I thought about 
getting 2000 while it still existed -- just in case. After checking against 
the hardware compatibility lists, though, I decided to save my money. A whole 
lot of stuff isn't supported, whereas Mandrake pretty much runs everything 
I've got with very little effort on my part, and that's a good thing. I've 
got other things to do than spend my time installing the latest security fix 
for last week's security patch to the upgrade that came out just before that 
-- especially now that the MicroSoft upgrade server is down because of a 
faulty software installation (sic - see CNet).

To each his own,
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RE: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Michael Leone]

On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 20:23, Dwaine Felch wrote:
> The truth of the matter is if Mandrake is compared to Win9x or ME
> Mandrake 
> Is far superior BUT, put Mandrake up against Win2000 or better yet WinXP
> and
> Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do.

Dunno about a LOT. But in *some* areas, maybe.

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[Dwaine Felch]

The truth of the matter is if Mandrake is compared to Win9x or ME
Mandrake 
Is far superior BUT, put Mandrake up against Win2000 or better yet WinXP
and
Mandrake has a lot of catching up to do.


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On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:10 -0500
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words
to ponder:

> Jason Guidry wrote:
> 
> > so you'll have to excuse me if I don't join you guys in lamenting
> > that LM8.1 isn't more like Windows ME.
> 
> Jason, I won't even ask anyone to excuse me! That Mandrake (any
> version) is not more like Windog is a blessing... 
> 

why in the world would anyone in their "right" mind want Mandrake to be 
more like something that crashes often and rarely works correctly? thats
absolutely insane!!

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Mark Weaver]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:10 -0500
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words
to ponder:

> Jason Guidry wrote:
> 
> > so you'll have to excuse me if I don't join you guys in lamenting
> > that LM8.1 isn't more like Windows ME.
> 
> Jason, I won't even ask anyone to excuse me! That Mandrake (any
> version) is not more like Windog is a blessing... 
> 

why in the world would anyone in their "right" mind want Mandrake to be 
more like something that crashes often and rarely works correctly? thats
absolutely insane!!

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Ronald J. Hall]

Jason Guidry wrote:

> so you'll have to excuse me if I don't join you guys in lamenting that
> LM8.1 isn't more like Windows ME.

Jason, I won't even ask anyone to excuse me! That Mandrake (any version) is
not more like Windog is a blessing... 

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Mark D'voo]

On Tuesday 15 January 2002 07:48 am, you wrote:
> not sure how about just getting back /usr/local/share dir
> but the links below can help undeleting, not sure if its part of the
> file system or the full file system, some of them are free to use, as
> files are actually not delted, just that the inodes are marked for reuse
> by the file system
> check these www out i am sure it will help
>
> http://www.fish.com/tct/help-recovering-file
> http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/tct.html

I was reading through the mailing list on reiserfs web page, and it was 
discussing creating something that would allow undeletion of file similar to 
go-back, no mention on if and when this will actually be implemented though.  
I was hoping reiser would have something similar to ext2fs undeletion but I 
couldnt' find anything.  Its ok though, i needed to upgrade a bunch of my 
programs anyway, I just have galeon left :)

mark

>
> hth
> syed irfan
> crazycrusoe
>
> On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 13:48, Jason Guidry wrote:
> > ok, all in good fun, but to the guy who nuked his /ect/whatever...
> >
> > d00d, U R so 31337
> >
> > second:
> >
> > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:50, Randy Kramer wrote:
> > > D. R. Evans wrote:
> > > > I know that Civileme disagrees with me (he says to use frequently-
> > > > backed-up CVS), but this is the One Good Thing about Windoze. It's
> > > > called GoBack.
> > >
> > > And, it's built into Windows (since either Win2000 or the ME).  Wonder
> >
> > and that is a big reason why ME is such a dog!  your average home user
> > doesn't even know it's there, I know my parents don't.  all they know is
> > that they have a 1.2 GHz Athlon box and all they can do is shrug their
> > shoulders when it bluescreens.
> >
> > I would compare MS's go back to mandrake first time.  a really great
> > sounding feature that wasn't quite ready at release.  the difference is
> > I don't have to install MFT, it doesn't affect performance, and I didn't
> > pay $189 for an _UPGRADE_.
> >
> > so you'll have to excuse me if I don't join you guys in lamenting that
> > LM8.1 isn't more like Windows ME.
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Syed Irfan]

not sure how about just getting back /usr/local/share dir
but the links below can help undeleting, not sure if its part of the
file system or the full file system, some of them are free to use, as
files are actually not delted, just that the inodes are marked for reuse
by the file system
check these www out i am sure it will help

http://www.fish.com/tct/help-recovering-file
http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/tct.html

hth
syed irfan
crazycrusoe

On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 13:48, Jason Guidry wrote:
> ok, all in good fun, but to the guy who nuked his /ect/whatever...
> 
> d00d, U R so 31337 
> 
> second:
> 
> On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:50, Randy Kramer wrote:
> > D. R. Evans wrote:
> > > I know that Civileme disagrees with me (he says to use frequently-
> > > backed-up CVS), but this is the One Good Thing about Windoze. It's
> > > called GoBack.
> > 
> > And, it's built into Windows (since either Win2000 or the ME).  Wonder
> 
> and that is a big reason why ME is such a dog!  your average home user
> doesn't even know it's there, I know my parents don't.  all they know is
> that they have a 1.2 GHz Athlon box and all they can do is shrug their
> shoulders when it bluescreens.
> 
> I would compare MS's go back to mandrake first time.  a really great
> sounding feature that wasn't quite ready at release.  the difference is
> I don't have to install MFT, it doesn't affect performance, and I didn't
> pay $189 for an _UPGRADE_.
> 
> so you'll have to excuse me if I don't join you guys in lamenting that
> LM8.1 isn't more like Windows ME.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] oooops -OT-

[Jason Guidry]

ok, all in good fun, but to the guy who nuked his /ect/whatever...

d00d, U R so 31337 

second:

On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:50, Randy Kramer wrote:
> D. R. Evans wrote:
> > I know that Civileme disagrees with me (he says to use frequently-
> > backed-up CVS), but this is the One Good Thing about Windoze. It's
> > called GoBack.
> 
> And, it's built into Windows (since either Win2000 or the ME).  Wonder

and that is a big reason why ME is such a dog!  your average home user
doesn't even know it's there, I know my parents don't.  all they know is
that they have a 1.2 GHz Athlon box and all they can do is shrug their
shoulders when it bluescreens.

I would compare MS's go back to mandrake first time.  a really great
sounding feature that wasn't quite ready at release.  the difference is
I don't have to install MFT, it doesn't affect performance, and I didn't
pay $189 for an _UPGRADE_.

so you'll have to excuse me if I don't join you guys in lamenting that
LM8.1 isn't more like Windows ME.




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