Re: [expert] linux distribution
On 2001.07.18 16:18 angela wrote:
> How is it stablility and security to other distriubution eg: RH,
I'm really not qualified to measure up security for Mandrake against other
distros so I'm not gonna try ;-)
But it all comes down to this :
A distribution is only as secure as YOU make it...
Basic security depends on the install and distro. And for Mandrake security
is pretty good , especially for new users like yourself they've implemented
security scripts that change the security levels in a jiffy. It handles
services and file permissions and other pitfalls of security.
Just read "man msec" and you'll understand it more ;-)
If you're really paranoid you're gonna need to get dirty and fiddle with
every port/service/package that poses a possible threat.
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void signature("Nicky Peeters");
void aka("tarkin");
string quote("665.9238429876 - Number of the Pentium Beast");
/* don't compile this at home , children!! */
}
Re: [expert] linux distribution
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Brandon Caudle wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Kok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Brandon Caudle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [expert] linux distribution > > > > Dear Brandon Caudle > > > > Sorry I don't catch your meaning > > You mean you now use Debian or Freebsd? > > > > Which one good as your opinion? I know nothing about Debian! > > > Both are very good I have servers running both. I just think FreeBSD is > rockhard stable and Debain is very close to that, it just depends on how > stable you need your os to be! > > ~Brandon It's not only stability, it's also philosophy of distribution. i.e., FreeBSD has the core of the OS (libc, kernel, standard unix tools) all maintained in one authoritative spot by the same people. Also, the relases occur regularly every 3 months. One of the biggest benefits in my opinion, though, is how the ports system, which contains all the 3rd party add-on packages is decoupled from the main distribution. So, they are constantly updated. i.e., you do not have to wait 1-2 years for the next release of Debian to update some package due to Debian only releasing packages along w/ the OS. -pete
Re: [expert] linux distribution
- Original Message - From: "Peter Kok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brandon Caudle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [expert] linux distribution > Dear Brandon Caudle > > Sorry I don't catch your meaning > You mean you now use Debian or Freebsd? > > Which one good as your opinion? I know nothing about Debian! Both are very good I have servers running both. I just think FreeBSD is rockhard stable and Debain is very close to that, it just depends on how stable you need your os to be! ~Brandon > > TIA > > Regards > Peter > > Brandon Caudle wrote: > > > Yeah I would agree on the server install Debian if your brave like me > > FreeBSD ;>) > > > > ~Brandon > > - Original Message - > > From: "Angus Beath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'angela'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:23 PM > > Subject: RE: [expert] linux distribution > > > > > Angela, > > > > > > As Robert has already said, Mandrake is very much load and go which > > > makes it great for the beginner. In terms of stability, I've had a > > > mandrake 7.2 box running for over 100 days and it was fine. Usually the > > > only time I reboot is when I upgrade anyway. In terms of security, the > > > features provided in the initial setup are a great way to get things > > > going. You can set the level of your security, and then later configure > > > built-in firewalls. I work in a university and my machine is subject to > > > a lot of pressure from students. It holds up quite well! > > > > > > In terms of comparison, we run Debian for our dhcp boxes. It's much of a > > > muchness really. All the distros have enormous similarities, however, > > > Mandrake allows you to avoid many complicated questions, such as > > > configuration and the like of sound cards and video cards. I accidently > > > killed an old monitor fiddling with X settings under Debian. I've trie d > > > redhat, and it's very similar to Mandrake, although without the variety > > > of window managers and software. Once again, at a ground level they are > > > very similar. > > > > > > I think if you want a workstation with lots of stuff to play with, or > > > you want a machine to *nearly* replace a windoze box, then Mandrake is > > > it. I'd have to lean towards Debain for server installs (but maybe > > > that's because my boss makes me :) ). Good luck with it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Angus Beath > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of angela > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2001 12:19 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [expert] linux distribution > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I am new on this list and would like to know about Mandrake. > > > How is it stablility and security to other distriubution eg: RH, > > > openlinux and debian? > > > > > > Thank you > > > Angela > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [expert] linux distribution
Hi Angela, I'll put my 2 cents in also. I run linux Mandrake 8.0 I run it at home on a home network with a mix of other mandrake and one windows machine. Installation and setup are terrific. Everything is recognized and I don't spend days trying to get sound, printer, or video to work. It runs and runs and runs. They only time I shut down is to for hardware maintenance. My home system has users of various skills and sometimes their lack of knowledge may mean a workstation has to rebooted, but my main server rolls right along. At work I run Mandrake 8 also. A bank of Mandrake servers handle a much larger network and it includes not only windows, MACs, linux, and BSD operating systems, but more than one lan among several buildings. Most of the users on this system were originally all windows users, now about half are running Mandrake and KDE. Most of our network people had used FreeBSD and have since switched to Mandrake. At home on a desktop or in a server situation Mandrake does an excellant job. If you are new to linux then you can't do better than run Mandrake. Over the years, I've used Slackware, SuSe, Debian, Red Hat, Turbo Linux, Caldera, Corel, you name it, I'm an OS nut and have tried them all. While I loved Debian, it took me ages to learn to get it setup and do the things I wanted. While Caldera was easy to install, it left out too much to be useful and I spent more time than I wanted downloading and making it have the same functionality that Mandrake came with out of the box. IMO Red Hat has gone off doing their own thing and creating problems for themselves and others. I still have one computer at home that I use to try out other distributions and operating systems, but I wouldn't swich my main desktop from Mandrake for anything. Ron > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of angela > > Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2001 12:19 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [expert] linux distribution > > > > Hi > > > > I am new on this list and would like to know about Mandrake. > > How is it stablility and security to other distriubution eg: RH, > > openlinux and debian? > > > > Thank you > > Angela > > > > > > > > -- Ron Marriage Homepage http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/ Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User Group http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/ Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
Re: [expert] linux distribution
Yeah I would agree on the server install Debian if your brave like me FreeBSD ;>) ~Brandon - Original Message - From: "Angus Beath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'angela'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: RE: [expert] linux distribution > Angela, > > As Robert has already said, Mandrake is very much load and go which > makes it great for the beginner. In terms of stability, I've had a > mandrake 7.2 box running for over 100 days and it was fine. Usually the > only time I reboot is when I upgrade anyway. In terms of security, the > features provided in the initial setup are a great way to get things > going. You can set the level of your security, and then later configure > built-in firewalls. I work in a university and my machine is subject to > a lot of pressure from students. It holds up quite well! > > In terms of comparison, we run Debian for our dhcp boxes. It's much of a > muchness really. All the distros have enormous similarities, however, > Mandrake allows you to avoid many complicated questions, such as > configuration and the like of sound cards and video cards. I accidently > killed an old monitor fiddling with X settings under Debian. I've tried > redhat, and it's very similar to Mandrake, although without the variety > of window managers and software. Once again, at a ground level they are > very similar. > > I think if you want a workstation with lots of stuff to play with, or > you want a machine to *nearly* replace a windoze box, then Mandrake is > it. I'd have to lean towards Debain for server installs (but maybe > that's because my boss makes me :) ). Good luck with it. > > Regards, > Angus Beath > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of angela > Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2001 12:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [expert] linux distribution > > Hi > > I am new on this list and would like to know about Mandrake. > How is it stablility and security to other distriubution eg: RH, > openlinux and debian? > > Thank you > Angela > > > >
Re: [expert] linux distribution
On Tuesday 17 July 2001 17:38, Bill Beauchemin wrote: Greetings, The previous respondents and Mr. Beauchemin brings up some good points... however, at the risk of starting a (pointless) flame war, the reality is that most people do not want to spend a great deal of time reading HOWTOs and banging their heads on the keyboard; they just want to get stuff working and then get to work. A lot of the chest-pounding about this distro is better than that one is mostly just that - chest-pounding; and not helpful at all. In that spirit, Mandrake is one of the easiest distros to install and get working - I've tried them all and Mandrake simply is the fastest and least hassle to get working on a plethora of different boxes and diverse hardware configurations. Also, an added benefit is that unlike Windows, when you are done installing the distro you don't just have a base & bare operating system, but also have a useful set of utilities, applications, etc. that let you do what you need to get done. Let's face it, most people use computers to surf, write, read email & newsgroups: basically exchange information. Linux does this admirably. What makes this more enjoyable is being able to do these things without looking at a BSOD, as in windows. I'm also not naive enough to assume that Windows will never go away, e.g. "youll [sic] never go back to winblows". We still have NT systems around for proprietary apps (such as high-end CAD) that will never, repeat never, be ported to Unix / Linux. I use Mandrake Linux for my desktop and server-level work, and I admire it's stability, speed, and generally helpful people who answer questions quickly and effectively when things go wrong. My experience with newsgroups and lists like this one is that they are far more effective than tech support for any purchased, proprietary piece of software. My $0.02. Hope this helps. Regards, David P.S. Also, every now and then it's to review the Linux advocate's HOWTO: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Advocacy.html P.P.S. Also check out http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html (Interesting discussion of Linux versus others...) > Angus and Robert are right on the money. Run Mandrake as your first linux > experiance and youll never go back to winblows. I started on RH years ago > and stoped because of how hard it was to instal things. I finally tried > again with Mandrake 6.1 and it was great. Load and go preety much. I also > found out about webmin at the same time and that makes life alot easier. > Now with Mandrake 8.0 it comes with webmin. I do still haave some issues > with mandrake and smp and still love Slackware. Slackware is the sh!t for > Linux IMHO Never had one problem with it. I ran it for over a year nonstop > as a webserver in a large data center. Everything I ever tried to install > went just like the readmes or howtos explain. I found with Mandrake 6.1 > updating to KDE2 was not as easyu as with slackware. For what its worth try > Mandrake 8.0 then when your serious try Slackware or Debian. Now if your > really brave try FreeBSD > > :-)
Re: [expert] linux distribution
Angus and Robert are right on the money. Run Mandrake as your first linux experiance and youll never go back to winblows. I started on RH years ago and stoped because of how hard it was to instal things. I finally tried again with Mandrake 6.1 and it was great. Load and go preety much. I also found out about webmin at the same time and that makes life alot easier. Now with Mandrake 8.0 it comes with webmin. I do still haave some issues with mandrake and smp and still love Slackware. Slackware is the sh!t for Linux IMHO Never had one problem with it. I ran it for over a year nonstop as a webserver in a large data center. Everything I ever tried to install went just like the readmes or howtos explain. I found with Mandrake 6.1 updating to KDE2 was not as easyu as with slackware. For what its worth try Mandrake 8.0 then when your serious try Slackware or Debian. Now if your really brave try FreeBSD :-)
Re: [expert] Linux Distribution Security Report
On Mon Mar 12, 2001 at 03:38:48PM -0300, Mads Rasmussen wrote: > Have a look at > > http://www.securityportal.com/cover/coverstory2724.html > > There is a small notice regarding Mandrake but most is related to Redhat, > Suse and TurboLinux It's also eight months old... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD - Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org - MandrakeSoft, Inc. Security www.linux-mandrake.com Current Linux kernel 2.4.1-15mdk uptime: 6 days 3 hours 27 minutes.
