[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
I can't remember where I heard this about MMY sleeping at the foot of Guru Dev's bed -- maybe Paul Mason's book? On-line text copy of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Biography of the Man Who Gave Transcendental Meditation to the World currently viewable at http://www.paulmason.info/themaharishi/mmych02.htm He came to the ashram as a youth bubbling over with mirth, full of energy and joy of living. He became so devoted to his master in everything ... At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door.17 [Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The Way to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: storm over gm corn in mexico
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One such farmer, Olga Toro Maldonado, said the new corn produced well the first year. But the grain she saved and planted the following year produced tiny, ugly little things. That is because she planted corn developed for the Great Plains. In the end, she said, we realized that it is better to have our own maize. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/international/americas/27corn.html This could be because the seeds were genetically modified to be useless as seed. The whole idea is called imperialism by stealth. Force the world to pay an annual fee to Monsanto and its likes to not starve to death, for what for millions of years has been free.. Can it get any uglier than that? Did even Stalin och Hitler ponder this approach..? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Agreement between Buddhism, Modern Science Cosmology ... !!!
Friends: Buddhism, Modern Science Cosmology: Modern cosmology have recently found out that the universe is not in a steady state but undergoes periodic expansion (big bang) and contraction. The blessed Buddha told of this 2500 !!! years ago: He said "He recalls to mind his various temporary states in days gone by - one birth, or two or three or fouror 5 births, 10 or 20, 30 or 50, a 100 or a 1000 ora 100.000 births, through manycycles of cosmiccontraction cosmic expansion... Now there comes a time, friends, when, sooner or later,after the lapse of a long, long period of contraction,this world-system passes away. And when this happensbeings have mostly been reborn in the World of Radiance,and there they dwell made of mind, feeding on joy, radiatinglight from themselves, traversing the air, dwelling in glory;and thus they remain for a long, long period of time.Now there comes also a time, friends, when, sooner or later,this universe begins to re-evolve by expansion. Digha Nikaya 1: Brahma-Jala Sutta Time space are not universal! Albert Einstein presented the special general relativity theoryalmost a hundred years ago. Still the philosophical implicationsis only known by a very few mathematicians.Mainly Einstein's relativity theory points out that time localityin space cannot be regarded independent if the observer object is moving fast relative to each other. Differently movingobservers will experience different speeds of time even when using the same watches. They will disagree on the order ofdifferent events. A 'Universal' time do not exist: Buddha also told about this 2500 years ago :'Bhikkhus, 50 human years is one night day to the four guardiangods. 500 of those divine years are the life span of the fourguardian gods. Bhikkhus, 1600 human years is one night and day to the gods withpower over other's creations. 16 thousand of those divine yearsare the life span of these gods.' (Paranimmita-vasavatti-devas) Anguttara Nikaya III.71: The Roots of the Uposatha http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/anguttara/an03-070.html Matter is quanta of discrete events! Another implication of both Einstein's theory also of quantum mechanics is that matter cannot be regarded to be continuouslyexisting in time nor in space. A movement of a body is thereforeabsolutely speaking events of disappearance in one place itsrearising in the next place. This process is though so incrediblefast, that we experience it as continuous existence. Exactly so dothe Higher Buddha-Dhamma ie: The Abhidhamma consider movement of matter to be serialvanishing re-arising in adjacent locations... So modern Science even regarding physical phenomena (rupa)is not so 'Modern' after all!!! Most seem to rediscovering of what was known already 2 millenniums ago but ignored forgotten as usual... Hihihi ;-) Friendship is the Greatest ! Bhikkhu Samhita, Sri Lanka. http://groups.msn.com/DirectDhammahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buddha-Directhttp://www.smartgroups.com/groups/TrueDhammahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/What_Buddha_SaidDhamma-Questions sent to my email are quite Welcome. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. BDBackgrnd.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door.17 [Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The Way to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.] For anyone who has visited India, it is a very common sight to see people lie on the floor. But anyway, I have come to view MMY's uncle 'Dr' Raj Varma's remarks with some caution since observing that the major part of his 1980 book 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint' was derived from a direct translation of Rameshwar Tiwari's 1965 Hindi biography of Guru Dev and parts of a 1950 compilation of Guru Dev quotations. This creates the illusion to the casual reader that he has contributed a fresh biography. Seemingly his biographical notes, contained in Elsa Dragemark's book, also stem from Rameshwar's precious biography. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FW: Pundit group in India
From Dana Sawyer in Banaras: Rick, If you find out where in INdia this supposed group of ten thousand pundits is residing, let me know asap. I'll make sure I look into that one. Diidn't get to Allahabad to interview Vasudevananda; couldn't justify the time away from interviewing dandis. He's such a persona nongrata since the court prevented him from saying his the Shankaracarya in public. I've been to twenty-two of the thirty-eight dandi maths in Banaras already, and I can't find even one supporter of his position in the whole lot. Of course, dandis, like pandits, swing with the breeze, and Swarupananda has been courting them heavily. It's just the way of things in India. Most of the dandis are just sweet old men, half-hearted about their sadhana, but I've had a chance to revisit with two or three real gems this time. If you're ever in Banaras, I recommend looking up Vedanti Swami, who lives at the Karpatri Math on Gangasnan Marg, Kedar Ghat. He's the real deal - in the sense that he's very focused, very sincere, and deeply knowledgable (as you know, I don't buy the enlightenment piece) - by the way, he knew Swami Brahmananda and Brahmananda was his guru's guru. I also recommend checking out the mahant (abbot) of the Samadhi Math in Assi Ghat. He is the spitting image of the young Mahesh Yogi but, alas, he's actually older than Maharishi is now. Quite an amazing testimony to hatha yoga - and Brahma cintan (what they call TM). He's very jolly and sweet - but, thankfully, a bit leary of Westerners. A last recommendation would be to visit Swami Sivananda at Dharma Sangh, near Durga Kunda in south Banaras. He's published lots of book (in HIndi) and is very sweet. Lastly, for now, I took up trip up the Ganga to visit a friend in Ram Ghat, and on my way I stopped in at Maharishi's Ashram in Scindia Ghat. It was a nice old house that they've occupied and the manager was a very sweet guy. The house is quite run down and there's no money to repair it, according to him, but there is indeed a small Vedic school there (if you want to see a larger, more orthodox school, go up to Ram Ghat) and a lovely little Shiva temple out front. My wife and I played with the kids and heard some boys recite part of Yajur Veda. It was nice. We had ladoos (Ganesh's favorite sweet) with the manager and he told me that Mahesh YOgi has a school in twelve places in India, one near each Jyotir-linga site. I don't know if that's true but that's what he said. He was a very pleasant guy, as I said, but he needs to cut down on eating paan, it's ruining his teeth. It was also interesting to hear him admit that he is a Kayastha; I don't know if I've mentioned this but MMY is accused by pandits h ere in Banaras of hiring members of his own caste for all good positions in his Indian org. anyway, enough for now, more soon, and all the best, buddy. Happy Holi! Dana To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I saw the Cooper show last night.The guardian said he thought that the rift between Michael and the parents may have ocurred at a time when Michael accepted what all the doctors had been saying, that Terri was brain dead, The problem is that she is not brain dead, she's only partially brain dead. Her cerebral cortex is mostly dead from lack of oxygen 15 years ago. Her hindbrain and probably part of her midbrain are keeping her body alive. So she, most likely, has no cognitive or emotional experience. To me, this is no reason to kill her though. If someone wants to keep her alive, why not let them. -Peter and the parents could not accept it. If Euthanasia was legal then Michael could just say it was euthanasia, instead he has to state that these were Terri's wishes. If Euthanaisia was legal, it would be possible to medicate Terri. Chopra had some interesting points. He said that both sides were coming from love and compassion. He said that with the advance in science we have defined death. He said that if you take an organ out of the body, you can keep it alive in a petri dish, but that does not constitute life. He said Terri's eeg was non-existent, therefore she is already dead according to science. He also said she had no awareness and could not suffer. My Advanced directive requests pulling the plug but giving morphine to be sure there is no pain. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope that some dictator or factory owner was going to mandate TM on his citizens/employees. He tried repeatedly to get this to happen and it always flopped. It is a rather unusual take on human psychology. Maybe he thought that if they had good experiences from TM, that in itself would motivate them to continue practicing. I think Bob's point makes a lot of sense here in that MMY didn't have enough experience/understanding of the Western mind to see that being ordered to do something can result in the exact opposite effect. -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is being taught with public funds at the charter schools in Mich and MD (and it ain't cheap, $625/yr per student -- see http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#public ) -- but if somebody with legal standing were to file a lawsuit protesting the use of public funds for TM in these schools, it's very unlikely the TMO would prevail in court. The reason why nobody is making a fuss so far is that these are charter schools, where parents choose to send their kids, so nobody's kids have to be there unless they want them to. I Think I will file a suit or tell the local bible thumpers. ** You would have no legal standing, not being a local or state of michigan taxpayer. However, feel free to get the bible thumpers going, they've got to find a new thing once terri schiavo drools her last in a few hours. The fundie christians are already on this. They are outraged and shouting and waving their arms. Search the internet. However they don't have a legal leg to stand on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I saw the Cooper show last night.The guardian said he thought that the rift between Michael and the parents may have ocurred at a time when Michael accepted what all the doctors had been saying, that Terri was brain dead, The problem is that she is not brain dead, she's only partially brain dead. Her cerebral cortex is mostly dead from lack of oxygen 15 years ago. Her hindbrain and probably part of her midbrain are keeping her body alive. So she, most likely, has no cognitive or emotional experience. To me, this is no reason to kill her though. If someone wants to keep her alive, why not let them. Is a lack of cognitive or emotional experience justification for keeping a person on artificial life-support against that person's previously expressed wish to not be kept alive in such a manner? Is the sanctity of marriage only valid when Tom Delay says so? Is signing a living will a tremendously good idea? Have you signed yours? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Pundit group in India
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer posted this from Dana Sawyer in Banaras: If you find out where in INdia this supposed group of ten thousand punditsis residing, let me know asap. Rick, I don't suppose you've inquired of the university where these pundits are located, have you? What means do we have to find them? - Patrick Gillam Ritam bhara pragya? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope that some dictator or factory owner was going to mandate TM on his citizens/employees. He tried repeatedly to get this to happen and it always flopped. It is a rather unusual take on human psychology. Maybe he thought that if they had good experiences from TM, that in itself would motivate them to continue practicing. My history with TM is that I'd start and stop a lot because I'd become so accustomed to the good experiences that they'd no longer be perceived as good experiences, and I'd get bored with it. Starting and stopping created the contrast needed to keep TM interesting for me. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brain dead or not, I am sure there is some Karma burning involved in staying alive also in this state. Why postpone burning burning this karma? Or maybe the Karma is drawing to an end, which makes death inevitable? Or, maybe the course of karma is unfathomable? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
Peter Sutphen wrote: Just like MMY's darshan would profoundly shift my consciousness, Punditji's does the same thing. akasha_108 wrote: Well even though Dr Pete seems to have left the room, or his mind body perhaps has been inhabited by aliens of the dark-side persuasion, his message must still live on: You are making a fundamental mistake, A hige epistemological mistake. Pure Consciousness does not shift. Consciousness identifed with the mind, creating a false sense of ego, shifts all the time. But this is not Consciousness reflecting its true nature. It is ignorance. Consciousness experienceing Consciousness, just IS. To claim no individuality, and to just be Consciousness, and then to speak of Consciousness shifting is absurd and indicates a lack of real experience. You are using waking state dharma to talk about the domain of Consciousness. Consciousness has its own domain, its own dharma. Don't confuse the two or you will be trapped in an utter maze of eternal ignorance. Channeling the former, real, no-self, Dr. Pete :) Rory writes: You are (as always) doing an excellent job at taking (2-D) conic- sections or slides or snapshots of the various contradictory or paradoxical aspects of (3-D) conic Brahman, akasha; many thanks! Brahman is the unchanging ever-shifting emptiful No-Self/Self/Other Absolute/Relative. It embraces all of time-space. It embraces (all of) the individual mind(s). The individual mind or Ahamkara cannot get Peter-Brahman, because the I still believes in spacetime -- takes discrete moments in time as somehow real (Ahamkara-Manas in action) and delights in comparing and contrasting to discriminate and figure out which one is really True (Ahamkara- Buddhi in action) -- unaware that the Ahamkara-self is the very thing in its own way. It appears the only way to get Peter-Brahman is to let Peter-Brahman get each of us -- take it all as True, or none of it as True. Be whole-hearted, in other words. Brahman spans the whole thing, from heaven to hell, from the infinitely large to the infinitely small, and from the sublime to the ridiculous. It reminds of the way the situation in Iraq has been described by some -- we are in Iraq (they say), ostensibly trying to eliminate terrorists, when it is our very presence there that is creating more terrorists. The only way to solve the problems in Iraq, say these pundits, is to unequivocally withdraw, now; the resultant chaos will sort itself out. (I make no claims as to the ultimate political Truth of this world-view -- only using it as an example of the way it mirrors the difficulties of the ego getting in its own way.) As always, many thanks for providing me with some fun fodder to chew on :-) LLL, Rory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brain dead or not, I am sure there is some Karma burning involved in staying alive also in this state. Why postpone burning burning this karma? Or maybe the Karma is drawing to an end, which makes death inevitable? Or, maybe the course of karma is unfathomable? Alex Exactly! Well said. Maybe we don't know jack about anything at all. -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
and I'd get bored with it. Startingand stopping created the contrast needed to keep TM interesting forme.Alex---Ditto, except when they were boring experiences.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Peter is not claiming Brahman, so you have taken my comments as a jumping off point for your own tangents, not to address what was written. Yes, quite true, and to point out that from my point of view, Peter is actually probably in Brahman, not conventionally-understood C.C. Or, if you prefer, conventionally-understood C.C., G.C., and U.C. are only precognitions of the real C.C./Brahman. The experience of Understanding the no-self as Peter describes it appears to me to be very clearly the extinguishing of the Ahamkara in B.C. The state is easily mistakable for C.C. -- very stark, no support yet appreciation of the ground-state, and so on. If so, the bliss-points and shakti- flows and shifting consciousness he is describing more recently would probably be K.C., not its prior-harmonic G.C. I do not recall apprehending the ability of THAT to be collapsible into bliss I- points in G.C. -- this is more a hallmark of K.C., in my model. Peter is claiming a dualistic turiya CC type experience. Not sure that he actually is :-) My jokish parody was imitating Peter's almost infinitely repeated discourse on how Consciousness has nothing to do with relative qualtities. It stemmed from Peter's comment about a shift in Consciousness. I get what he means, I was poking fun at Peter's sometimes absolutist and seemingly a bit harsh criticism of others when they use a bit of poetic license in descriptions of Consciousness in turiya type state. Yes, I enjoyed it -- and hope you don't mind my taking your post as a jumping-off point to explore a bit :-) LLL, Rory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I saw the Cooper show last night.The guardian said he thought that the rift between Michael and the parents may have ocurred at a time when Michael accepted what all the doctors had been saying, that Terri was brain dead, The problem is that she is not brain dead, she's only partially brain dead. Her cerebral cortex is mostly dead from lack of oxygen 15 years ago. Her hindbrain and probably part of her midbrain are keeping her body alive. So she, most likely, has no cognitive or emotional experience. To me, this is no reason to kill her though. If someone wants to keep her alive, why not let them. Is a lack of cognitive or emotional experience justification for keeping a person on artificial life-support against that person's previously expressed wish to not be kept alive in such a manner? Is the sanctity of marriage only valid when Tom Delay says so? Is signing a living will a tremendously good idea? Have you signed yours? Alex + The persons previously expressed wish in this case looks like hearsay evidence with the strong possibility of being BS. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GROUP PRAYER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Innocent . Lets just pray now for the righteous most evolutionary blessed thing for Teri and all involved. It takes 30 seconds of egolessness and heart value to do this. And no fear. How many here found themselves capabable of this? Please put your hands up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
I have not had any luck obtaining a first edition of Tiwari's biography, which I would like to compare with subsequent editions to track any changes/revisions. A friend may have the original Hindi version, but hasn't been able to find it. He is moving in a week or two and promises to dig deeper as he packs things up. L B S It would be great to have a complete edition of 'Shri Jyotishpeethaddharaka' again. My edition lacks two pages of text and a photograph, but you are welcome to share it. Prem Pasricha's 'Whole Thing Real Thing' lacks a certain amount of the detail of the Hindi volume by Tiwari, although he made a very nice job anyway. However, Raj Varma keeps all the detail which is great. It would be nice to see a new translation of Guru Dev's biography 'Shri Jyotishpeethaddharaka' with perhaps the inclusion of other material that has come to light from Raj Varma, Swami Rama, Dr. Radhakrishnan, Professor Schillp and any others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
In a message dated 3/26/05 9:49:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe fundie Christians are already loosing face nationwide, and it will be a fast downward slide. I hope you're right, but I won't hold my breath. Oh, please do! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GROUP PRAYER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Innocent . Lets just pray now for the righteous most evolutionary blessed thing for Teri and all involved. It takes 30 seconds of egolessness and heart value to do this. And no fear. How many here found themselves capabable of this? Please put your hands up. + DO i recall correctly that it was said that culturing the heart was the last stroke to enlightenment? It would seem, from some of the posts lately, that some of us are still a few strokes away. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GROUP PRAYER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Innocent . Lets just pray now for the righteous most evolutionary blessed thing for Teri and all involved. It takes 30 seconds of egolessness and heart value to do this. And no fear. How many here found themselves capabable of this? Please put your hands up. + DO i recall correctly that it was said that culturing the heart was the last stroke to enlightenment? It would seem, from some of the posts lately, that some of us are still a few strokes away. N. Yes, thats partly my point (although for me it really was initially just a heart value love reaction for all... I can't help it, I'm retarded that way). If you can do this , for real, without taking sides, for 30 seconds or less, without fear, and with loveand you feel it in your heart for an instantI think enlightenment is very close. If you can't do it, don't worry, something else will trigger it, and when it does...recognize it, and nourish it. I say this as much to myself, as anyone else. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I saw the Cooper show last night.The guardian said he thought that the rift between Michael and the parents may have ocurred at a time when Michael accepted what all the doctors had been saying, that Terri was brain dead, The problem is that she is not brain dead, she's only partially brain dead. Her cerebral cortex is mostly dead from lack of oxygen 15 years ago. Her hindbrain and probably part of her midbrain are keeping her body alive. So she, most likely, has no cognitive or emotional experience. To me, this is no reason to kill her though. If someone wants to keep her alive, why not let them. Is a lack of cognitive or emotional experience justification for keeping a person on artificial life-support against that person's previously expressed wish to not be kept alive in such a manner? Is the sanctity of marriage only valid when Tom Delay says so? Is signing a living will a tremendously good idea? Have you signed yours? Alex + The persons previously expressed wish in this case looks like hearsay evidence with the strong possibility of being BS. N. And, on the other side, we have the parents, who lied by trying to pass off something she said as a girl as something she said as an adult. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening --and My Three Suns
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Rory Goff wrote: Yes, quite true; we can say they are anchored there. However they appear to have correlates or analogues throughout the various dimensions. We can say from Purusha's point of view the Sex chakra or pranamayakosha manifests in the cosmic body as Sagittarius (the divine Planter) and Pisces (the divine Forester), for example, and on the Tree of Nine (lokas) as the realm of the Dark Elves or vegetable devas, and so on. There is a rich and almost infinitely complex network of magical correspondences. It gets a bit bogged down if I throw in all the correlates from all the different dimensions in every posting; for those who are curious, symbolism for much of these is available in postings with OMG or Akasha last year and (in much more detail) on my website. Since Brahman is not creative, it must use maya to appear as manifest. The prana-maya-kosha veils the Pure Self and makes it *appear* as if it is a speaker--when in fact it is speechless. It does not give or take. It is not a mover because it has no movement. These are merely the aspects of illusion that the pranic body deludes into believing (as correspondences, etc.). It's just maya in her energetic form, but it *IS* still her dance, her web and her weaving it. This is all due to kriya-shakti. One can go thru all the sheaths and also discover how they work in cahoots with maya to fool us. At least so says Vedanta. There are other POV's. YMMV. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
In a message dated 3/27/05 10:11:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is a lack of cognitive or emotional experience justification for keeping a person on artificial life-support against that person's previously expressed wish to not be kept alive in such a manner? Is the sanctity of marriage only valid when Tom Delay says so? Is signing a living will a tremendously good idea? Have you signed yours? Alex+ The persons previously expressed wish in this case looks likehearsay evidence with the strong possibility of being BS. N. Signed affidavits from witnesses claim previous to 1998 Michael had claimed he did not know what Terri would have wanted in these circumstances. Supposedly this wish of Terri's to not be kept alive has only been put forth by Michael in the past seven years. There is a lot that is not being looked at or ignored by the court and thus thelaw passed to start from the beginning and examine the case again. I think that is all people are asking. The heart of this case is Michael claims to be doing Terri's will yet he has no proof that this was her will, while others claim they have proof it isNOT her will. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GROUP PRAYER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Innocent . Lets just pray now for the righteous most evolutionary blessed thing for Teri and all involved. It takes 30 seconds of egolessness and heart value to do this. And no fear. How many here found themselves capabable of this? Please put your hands up. You asked for it.. /\ |\./| | | | | |~| | | /'\| |/'\.. /~\| | | | \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | \ | | | | | \ | ~ ~ ~ ~ |` ) | / \ / \ / \_/ |--//''`\--| | (( +==)) | |--\_|_//--| To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I saw the Cooper show last night.The guardian said he thought that the rift between Michael and the parents may have ocurred at a time when Michael accepted what all the doctors had been saying, that Terri was brain dead, The problem is that she is not brain dead, she's only partially brain dead. Her cerebral cortex is mostly dead from lack of oxygen 15 years ago. Her hindbrain and probably part of her midbrain are keeping her body alive. So she, most likely, has no cognitive or emotional experience. To me, this is no reason to kill her though. If someone wants to keep her alive, why not let them. Is a lack of cognitive or emotional experience justification for keeping a person on artificial life-support against that person's previously expressed wish to not be kept alive in such a manner? Is the sanctity of marriage only valid when Tom Delay says so? Is signing a living will a tremendously good idea? Have you signed yours? Alex + The persons previously expressed wish in this case looks like hearsay evidence with the strong possibility of being BS. N. And, on the other side, we have the parents, who lied by trying to pass off something she said as a girl as something she said as an adult. Alex There seems to be two things needed, a power of attorney and an Advance Directive. The Power of Attorney gives rights to make decisions on your behalf regarding your estate. This is notarized and has a space for signature that says acceptance by agent and acceptance by alternative agent The Advanced directive names a health care representative and an alternate health care representative and states your wishes should you become seriously ill. It can be as specific as your like. This also must be signed by two witnesses and has a space that should be signed acceptance by helath care representative I have heard that the last signature can be done at the time it is needed. One copy should be given to your doctor and one kept in a safe deposit box. A married co-worker designated her mother as her health care representative because she would want to have someone pull the plug should she become brain dead etc. Her huband does not believe in pulling the plug so she gave the authority to her mother. Be sure to follow all the appropriate steps in getting the documents signed, sealed and delivered so that you don't become the next Terri Schiavo To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: Like I said above we may be on different pages of the akashic records. There is no small self here, Akasha: A CC experience Rory: Yes and no -- as I see it anyhow, when one is in C.C., one would not be particularly aware of the Ahamkara, even though it filters and mediates between the experience of Purusha (Absolute) and Prakriti (Relative). It would be the one still claiming the experience; one's own sense of individuality or soul. In C.C. and G.C. and even in U.C., this one is still there. It thinks it is having experiences of C.C., G.C., and U.C. Only in B.C. does one actually notice this Ahamkara intensely -- by its sudden absence. Only then do we see that it was indeed a small self; before that we thought it was the Absolute. So, assuming you are correct in your perspective on BC, still in both states, the interpreation of the experience / understanding from the perspective of the mind/body doing the reportng is that there is no small self, either from the perspective of cc and bc. That Tom claims there is no small self could mean he is speaking from a cc type experience or anything above. It certainly is not, in iteslf a distictive perspective indicating it must be BC. And I guess statatiscally, it is safe to assume that far more people with long practice have some cc experience far more often than some bc type experience. So at least in terms of probabilities, taking a statement like tom's from 100 such persons, one would correctly interpreat as coming from a cc perspective a vast majority of the time. But of course Tom is an individual. What is helpful is to look at the context of Tom' other statements, such as admonitions not to confuse that which is relative with that which is absolute. That clearly is a dualistic cc type of experience / perspective. So with that context, it would seem pretty clear that, if Toms experiences are consistent, that Tom's statement about no individual self is dualistic and not advaistic. Also, it appears that Tom, from a conceptual level, may have a pretty clouded undertstanding of cc, He said it is his understanding that cc is a small self that witnesses. That is so far off the mark, it begs teh question of how clear tom' conceptual understanding is on other issues of states of consciousness, TMO wise or via tradition. Further, if any one, not necessarily saying tom here, has a weak and naive conceptual view of what cc is, and then experiences the wholness of cc, they may very well say, wow, this is so much more than that cc thing (that is, actually, it is more than the mistaken concept of cc), it must be Brahman. Thus, the misconception of what cc is gives rise to a classic misinterpretation of experiences. Unfortunately if one still functions through the small self, one is going to interpret everything a B.C. experiencer says in terms of the states one actually knows: Sleep, Dream, Waking, C.C., G.C., and U.C. And of course your logic here in no way indicates that Tom is experiencing BC. IMO the implication of your logic is false. the implication has two parts. The first part is true: that if anyone sees any statment of anyones as being from a perspective of less than BC, they are missing the boat, they are not seeing all that is. This is true. To therefore imply that someone's statment must be coming from BC, becsause the listen is not seeingall that is, is quite false. otherwise, the implication is that every statement by everyone is from the perspective of BC. Indeed, one hears 1000's of mundane waking state statments from others in month. One might actually be a BC perspective. Who knows. But taken in the context of the speakers other statments, a broader picture emerges. For example's sake, lets pretend someone says, I love chocolate, chocolate is my life, I am consumed by chocolate. One could argue, that most people just just don't see the profound wisdom of this statement because they are not viewing it from BC. They could further argue that if seen from BC then people would see that that their views of WC, CC, BC etc are not correct (ok so far). And thus the chocolate eater is misunderstood (not ok). The latter conclusion is not ok. Maybe, there is some small possibility, that the chocolate eater is seeing chocolate as Brahman and his statement of his being consubmed by chocolate and chocolate is my life is a statment about being consumed by Brahman, and that All is Brahman. Hey, it could be. But the probabilities are, taking the context of the chocolate eaters other statments, that he has a particularly sanskara for chocolate and raviounously feeds his craving. Thus to say i) if you viewed the chocolate eater from BC, you would see him (and all things) differently is correct. To jump from that and imply that ii) the chocolate eater is thus speaking from the level of Brahman is absurd. You have
[FairfieldLife] 18 Things We Learned From the Schiavo case
1. Jeb Bush, George W. Bush, and Tom Delay are all world renowned neurologists. 2. 22 successive court battles that all ended in exactly the same way means there is something wrong with the courts, not the Schindler's case. 3. Michael Schiavo is after money which is why he turned down 1 million dollars and 10 million dollars to sign over guardianship. 4. Congress and the State Legislature of Florida has nothing better to do than pry into the private medical affairs of others. 5. Pulling life support is bad in Florida when authorized by the legal next-of-kin, but pulling life support is good in Texas when you run out of money and the mother pleads not to pull the plug on her baby. 6. Medical diagnoses are best performed by watching highly editted videotape made by Randall Terry rather than in person by trained physicians. 7. Minimum wage making nursing assistants are more qualified to diagnose a persistant vegetative state than experienced neurologists. 8. Cerebral spinal fluid is a magical potion that can mimic the entire functions of a missing cerebral cortex. 9. 15 years in the same persistant state is not really enough time to make an accurate diagnosis. 10. A feeding tube that infuses yellow nutritional goop is not really life support. 11. Jesus was wrong when he said that a man and woman should leave their parents and cleave only to each other. 12. Marriage is the most sacred of all unions, except when it isn't. 13. Interfering in a family's private tragedy is a great reason to cut short a vacation, but getting a memo that warns a known terrorist is determined to strike inside the US is cause to relax and finish up some RR. 14. Pro-lifers are really compassionate people, which is why they are hoping that Michael Schiavo dies a horrible, painful death. 15. The Supreme Court of the United States and the State Supreme Court of Florida mean Maybe when they are saying No!. 16. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is a bleeding heart liberal. 17. 7 Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Republican Presidents, so it's obviously Clinton's fault. 18. A judge who makes rulings based on the law is obviously an atheist, liberal, democratic activist even though he is a Conservative, Republican, Southern Baptist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. They're depriving her of an oppounrtiy to suffer..?! That's terrible! When will be her chance to burn that Karma..?! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GROUP PRAYER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Innocent . Lets just pray now for the righteous most evolutionary blessed thing for Teri and all involved. It takes 30 seconds of egolessness and heart value to do this. And no fear. How many here found themselves capabable of this? Please put your hands up. You asked for it.. /\ |\./| | | | | |~| | | /'\| |/'\.. /~\| | | | \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | \ | | | | | \ | ~ ~ ~ ~ |` ) | / \ / \ / \_/ |--//''`\--| | (( +==)) | |--\_|_//--| Lol, I'll take that as a no . That is: No , I am not ready to transcend differences, and culture the heart ready for the final step of evolution in which the intellect is convinced of the heart's truth. The unenelightened intellect cannot accept I am all that my heart loves, my heart loves all things/life.I am that. The last stroke to unity consciousness is when the intellect is convinced that the heart is true, and the intellect transforms from a divisive survival tool, to an all-loving god-being.? Just asking? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GROUP PRAYER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Innocent . Lets just pray now for the righteous most evolutionary blessed thing for Teri and all involved. It takes 30 seconds of egolessness and heart value to do this. And no fear. How many here found themselves capabable of this? Please put your hands up. You asked for it.. /\ |\./| | | | | |~| | | /'\| |/'\.. /~\| | | | \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | \ | | | | | \ | ~ ~ ~ ~ |` ) | / \ / \ / \_/ |--//''`\--| | (( +==)) | |--\_|_//--| Lol, I'll take that as a no . That is: No , I am not ready to transcend differences, and culture the heart ready for the final step of evolution in which the intellect is convinced of the heart's truth. The unenelightened intellect cannot accept I am all that my heart loves, my heart loves all things/life.I am that. The last stroke to unity consciousness is when the intellect is convinced that the heart is true, and the intellect transforms from a divisive survival tool, to an all-loving god-being.? Just asking? Which ever way you chose take it I am sure it will be over-analyzed and intellectualized to death. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Advance Directives: Be as Detailed as Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be two things needed, a power of attorney and an Advance Directive. The Power of Attorney gives rights to make decisions on your behalf regarding your estate. This is notarized and has a space for signature that says acceptance by agent and acceptance by alternative agent The Advanced directive names a health care representative and an alternate health care representative and states your wishes should you become seriously ill. It can be as specific as your like. Just some further things to consider for the Advance Directive (aka Medical Power of Attorney in California I think). I spent three years caring for my mother in advanced stages of Alzheimers. (Its ironic or nicely symetrical -- she passed away one year ago today -- so i hve been thinking of her -- all blessings to her wherever she may be.) She created an Advanced Directive Medical PoA) in 1990 or so and placed my brother as number one and myself as number two. That all made sense, he is the eldest, she and he ran the same business and saw each other daily, he lived withing 30 minutes from her, and I was 500 miles away. And the general Power of Attorney worked in a similar fashion. My brother wasnamed #1 due to his proximaty and I was named number two. My mother said if I had been closee by than my brother, she would have named me #1. Later, in 1997 this was revised when a caregiver moved in to a fairly self-contained suite upstairs in my mother's house to sort of help her out with things -- at that point it was just checking in with her a bit, helping with shopping, but we expected a gradual decline, thus all supported the live-in caregiver idea. So the Advance Directive was changed to have the caregiver #2 and me #3 since the caregiver was right there. The order is important as I came to learn. The Advance Directive, at least in California, does not designate those appointed as co-equal managers. It gives 100% power to the first, and if they are unable to perform the responsibilities, 100% of authority falls to #2, etc. By 2001 my mother had declined quite a bit, so I decided to sell my house and move the 500 miles so I could be there for her and be part of the caregiver team (there was the live-in and another part time commuter caregive. And my brother had move 700 miles away. Though we talked about changing the Directive, my mother could no longer sign a document, or even if she could make some scrawl, she would not really knowwhat she was signing. So the Advanced Directive was fixed. A year later the live-in caregive moved out, 300 miles away. So the 24 hours care / watching over was then done by myself, living at the house, and two part time commuting in caregivers. However, my bother, 700 miles way, and the original live-in caregiver, not family, and 300 miles way still had legal medical authority for my mom over me. And my brother had 100% control of my mom's finaces, and since payment for medical expenses and for the part-time caregivers was in his hands, he wielded substantial power over how things were done. One would think that this would not be a problem among mature, educated adults. All i can say is that under the stress, and perhaps growing sense of grieving and loss, people don't always act rationally. People clung to their legal power. I think they did so becasue it made them feel involved and still an active part of my mom's life. However, they were not involved in the day to day care for my mom, and over time, gained more and more unproductive and flawed views of the situation and what was best for my mom. And they even basically knew and admitted this, but still, had to cling on to micro management. It was odd beyond belief and placed my mom in jepordy at times -- thankfully nothing serious happened. And I know my mom would have not been pleased with the actions of the other two PoAs. She would have said aomethng about common sense, and look who is living at my house caring for me, who do you think I would have wanted to have primary decision ability!!?? I point this out because PoAs are set up and then things change. After some point, the dcouments can't be changed due to incapacitation. As Smart pointed out, the documents can be as specific as you care to make them. I suggest that you think things through and add comments of commen sense regarding order of PoAs over time, and possible new PoAs to be appointed if the currenly listed ones don't meed certain conditions -- such as proximatey etc. My mom's care would have been quite better if she had added the commonn sense supplement, and of course the order of PoAs should change if circumstances change. The person who is physically closest, and/or most involved in my care and life at any particular time should be the functional lead PoA. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] exrraordinary hypocrisy (Delay's)
http://tinyurl.com/4ly6n DeLay's Own Tragic Crossroads Family of the lawmaker involved in the Schiavo case decided in '88 to let his comatose father die. By Walter F. Roche Jr. and Sam Howe Verhovek, Times Staff Writers CANYON LAKE, Texas A family tragedy that unfolded in a Texas hospital during the fall of 1988 was a private ordeal without judges, emergency sessions of Congress or the debate raging outside Terri Schiavo's Florida hospice. The patient then was a 65-year-old drilling contractor, badly injured in a freak accident at his home. Among the family members keeping vigil at Brooke Army Medical Center was a grieving junior congressman Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas). More than 16 years ago, far from the political passions that have defined the Schiavo controversy, the DeLay family endured its own wrenching end-of-life crisis. The man in a coma, kept alive by intravenous lines and oxygen equipment, was DeLay's father, Charles Ray DeLay. Then, freshly reelected to a third term in the House, the 41-year-old DeLay waited, all but helpless, for the verdict of doctors. Today, as House Majority Leader, DeLay has teamed with his Senate counterpart, Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), to champion political intervention in the Schiavo case. They pushed emergency legislation through Congress to shift the legal case from Florida state courts to the federal judiciary. And DeLay is among the strongest advocates of keeping the woman, who doctors say has been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, connected to her feeding tube. DeLay has denounced Schiavo's husband, as well as judges, for committing what he calls an act of barbarism in removing the tube. In 1988, however, there was no such fiery rhetoric as the congressman quietly joined the sad family consensus to let his father die. There was no point to even really talking about it, Maxine DeLay, the congressman's 81-year-old widowed mother, recalled in an interview last week. There was no way [Charles] wanted to live like that. Tom knew we all knew his father wouldn't have wanted to live that way. Doctors advised that he would basically be a vegetable, said the congressman's aunt, JoAnne DeLay. When his father's kidneys failed, the DeLay family decided against connecting him to a dialysis machine. Extraordinary measures to prolong life were not initiated, said his medical report, citing agreement with the family's wishes. His bedside chart carried the instruction: Do not resuscitate. On Dec. 14, 1988, the DeLay patriarch expired with his family in attendance. The situation faced by the congressman's family was entirely different than Terri Schiavo's, said a spokesman for the majority leader, who declined requests for an interview. The only thing keeping her alive is the food and water we all need to survive. His father was on a ventilator and other machines to sustain him, said Dan Allen, DeLay's press aide. There were also these similarities: Both stricken patients were severely brain-damaged. Both were incapable of surviving without medical assistance. Both were said to have expressed a desire to be spared from being kept alive by artificial means. And neither of them had a living will. This previously unpublished account of the majority leader's personal brush with life-ending decisions was assembled from court files, medical records and interviews with family members. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Hi Anon: On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote: Would you elaborate on that, what samsara means here and how would it be created thru that process/experience? Samsara is a 'pattern of suffering'. These are kept going by the kleshas you know from the Patanjali sutras (but you will find them in many systems). The basic pattern is to push away experiences we don't like and grasping the ones we do. This sense of struggle is what keeps samsara going. The process of forgetting our own innate spaciousness is the same process that allows dualism/ignorance to prevail. The only way out is to remain in closed eyed transcendence or get used to the non-dual state. There are different traditions that do this. It dose looks like a loop experience that I always thought as my own unstressing. I call them loops too. It's a good experiential word for it. You see more to it and it rings as truth, I'm not sure I fully understand the connections you make to lokas (what is it?) The different types of conditioned thought (thought still caught up in klesha-driven loops) exist as subtle and super-subtle thoughts which tend to aggregate in specific groupings, or lokas. If you experience them directly, they seem like other dimensions--put they are woven by subtle dualistic thoughts. If you can learn to let them arise naturally, you can learn what thought-patterns are conditioning you. Then you dissolve them. The movies lose their energy source. You gain an easier ability to reside in the non-dual state--because you've cut the very root of dualism. This is a very generic presentation. Specific will vary by tradition. -Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 18 Things We Learned From the Schiavo case
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Jeb Bush, George W. Bush, and Tom Delay are all world renowned neurologists. 2. 22 successive court battles that all ended in exactly the same way means there is something wrong with the courts, not the Schindler's case. 3. Michael Schiavo is after money which is why he turned down 1 million dollars and 10 million dollars to sign over guardianship. 4. Congress and the State Legislature of Florida has nothing better to do than pry into the private medical affairs of others. 5. Pulling life support is bad in Florida when authorized by the legal next-of-kin, but pulling life support is good in Texas when you run out of money and the mother pleads not to pull the plug on her baby. 6. Medical diagnoses are best performed by watching highly editted videotape made by Randall Terry rather than in person by trained physicians. 7. Minimum wage making nursing assistants are more qualified to diagnose a persistant vegetative state than experienced neurologists. 8. Cerebral spinal fluid is a magical potion that can mimic the entire functions of a missing cerebral cortex. 9. 15 years in the same persistant state is not really enough time to make an accurate diagnosis. 10. A feeding tube that infuses yellow nutritional goop is not really life support. 11. Jesus was wrong when he said that a man and woman should leave their parents and cleave only to each other. 12. Marriage is the most sacred of all unions, except when it isn't. 13. Interfering in a family's private tragedy is a great reason to cut short a vacation, but getting a memo that warns a known terrorist is determined to strike inside the US is cause to relax and finish up some RR. 14. Pro-lifers are really compassionate people, which is why they are hoping that Michael Schiavo dies a horrible, painful death. 15. The Supreme Court of the United States and the State Supreme Court of Florida mean Maybe when they are saying No!. 16. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is a bleeding heart liberal. 17. 7 Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Republican Presidents, so it's obviously Clinton's fault. 18. A judge who makes rulings based on the law is obviously an atheist, liberal, democratic activist even though he is a Conservative, Republican, Southern Baptist. I have come over to this way of thinking anon. This thing has become a circus. So many conflicting reports. One example: the nobel nominated scientist, who turns out not to be the authority thought to be. The courts have decided. For better or worse. LET THE MATTER PROCEED. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Are we all sacked ?
Just a question to you fellows. Since many of you are Initiators, and since most of you are not Rajas - how do you react to the probable fact that all the rest of us who are not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ? I must admit that this is a very strange time after 35 years, the best of my youth, all of my dedication, time and finance - suddenly to be cut off. How do you react ? Sincerely yours, Lupidus To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Charles Heath To: Charles Heath Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: FW: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In Is this a rectification course for governors? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Peter is not claiming Brahman, Yes, quite true, and to point out that from my point of view, Peter is actually probably in Brahman, not conventionally-understood C.C. ... Understanding the no-self as Peter describes it appears to me to be very clearly the extinguishing of the Ahamkara in B.C. The state is easily mistakable for C.C. -- very stark, no support yet appreciation of the ground-state, and so on. If so, the bliss-points and shakti- flows and shifting consciousness he is describing more recently would probably be K.C... I do not recall apprehending the ability of THAT to be collapsible into bliss I- points in G.C. -- this is more a hallmark of K.C., in my model. Peter!! DUDE!! You have been holding out on us. Krishna Consciousness!!! Holy Mackeral!!! (I guess even mackeral pretty are holy in that state, even when they get pretty smelly.) Why all the false modesty??! Only CC. Indeed!! Ha ha, yeah, thats a good one. You almost had us fooled. But I KNEW there was something really special about you. Like you resonated with something really deep in my core.I knwo you had to be like more than just an ordinary saint and jivan-mukti. It is such a joy to be walking the same earth as you. What did Pundit-ji say when you told him you were in Krishna Consciousness? I would have loved to have been there to hear that. Does it create any tension, he being only Blazing Brahman and you being in Krishna Consciousness? Come on, fess up. Tell us what KC is really like!!! Do your business cards now say: Dr. Peter Sutphen MA, MA, MS, Ph.d. CC, BC, KC Wherever you go, coherence radiates for hundreds of miles around you. Why just look at Florida. In even more AWE than before, your respectful want-to-be chela akasha To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
Dear Charlie, Could you provide a plausible reason why take a 4000.-$ course for someone who (of practical reasons) cannot be a fulltime Initiator ? Those of us who have given our youth and dedication to the Movement for decades, we are now sacked. Right ? Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Charles Heath To: Charles Heath Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: FW: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In Dear Governors, We want to provide you as much advanced notice as possible, even though some of the details are likely to be adjusted here and there. We just now have the news: The recertification refresher course for Governors is slated to begin on April 4. It will be a 30-day course for most Governors. A 15-day course is open to those who are on record with the A-Forms office as having instructed in the TM technique within the last 24 months. The first graduation will take place on April 18th on the day of Raam Navami. The course fee that has so far been discussed is $2,000 for the 15-day course and $4,000 for the 30-day course. It seems likely that the course will be held in Maharishi Vedic City or Avon Park but the finalized details will be announced officially very soon. Along with this announcement comes the directive to stop all instruction in the TM program in the United States as of April 4. Teaching will resume on April 19 with the newly graduated Governors and Raja designates. Please let your friends who are Governors know of this if they aren't on our lists currently. Visit http://atlanta.globalcountry.net daily for updates. Jai Guru Dev Charlie Heath - Office of Dr. Rogers Badgett Raja of Atlanta 859-492-7089 cellular To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
Dear akasha, Many thanks! Your post, while (as always) beautifully expressed, is too long and involved for me at the moment to reproduce and interleaf, answering point by point. Bottom line: I do not know what Tom's consciousness is to himself; I know what he is in me. His descriptions of the actual extinction of the small self, of the death of the witness -- like Peter's -- I can only identify with the extinction of Ahamkara in B.C. -- or if you like, the real C.C., though IMO this does a grave injustice to the prior states of C.C., G.C., and U.C., which though impermanent are valuable and in a sense necessary, even if from Brahman's POV still pretend and filtered through a previously-unsuspected Ahamkara. Thanks to our dialogue, I am getting a lot clearer on where these states of consciousness are in the Purusha-body. They do serve a purpose. Yes, C.C. knows the perfect duality of the Unmanifest and the Relative, but it has no conception of the extinction of the small self, the Guru-Christ-Self or Ahamkara. What has died? Nothing. We only have the unchanging, unmanifest Self added to all the rest, together with the appreciation that all action is automatic. U.C. knows it's all me, that I embrace all space-time if I care to put my attention there, but again it has no conception of the extinction of the unsuspected intermediating small self which is yet to come. Again, this small self is virtually invisible until its sudden disappearance in B.C., when the rug is totally pulled out and there are no longer any distinctions anywhere; there ONLY is the emptiful Great Immensity. Your mind(s) is/are beautifully refined, and I mean that in all awe and appreciation of your intellect. But at the moment you still appear (to me) to be pretending perhaps to be Ahamkara-bound (this as evidenced by your attempts to distinguish and separate the self- evidently inseparable with logic), and so we really cannot go any further; logic is lovely but utterly useless where the ever-present and non-dual B.C. is concerned. THAT recognizes THAT. That's how I recognize Tom to be speaking the Truth. It's a freakin' paradox only the unselfed heart-belly can comprehend. Even in U.C., the self- bound mind and the self-bound logic simply cannot quite really get it, nor imagine it, nor comprehend it, nor describe it. I am sorry if I implied otherwise. Brahman for me is supremely simple, self-evident, obvious, a priori (all of this is also a lie of course), and it makes sense to me to assume that (every)one is in Brahman unless s/he gives evidence of resisting that. Tom does not; on the contrary he shows every evidence of no-self realization. So for me, right now, Tom is in Brahman, at the very least. You are of course welcome to create your own reality and put him anywhere you like. Being sliced up by logic into *unconnected* neat conic-sections hurts the primordial heart of Brahman a little -- you know the thorns around Christ's heart in those Catholic chapels? -- but I guess we can take it. :-) And heck, I think maybe that's what you're actually saying, too. If so, let's hear it for the indescribable THAT! :-) As you say, I yam what I yam, sweet potater pie! Love, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter!! DUDE!! You have been holding out on us. Krishna Consciousness!!! Holy Mackeral!!! (I guess even mackeral pretty are holy in that state, even when they get pretty smelly.) Why all the false modesty??! Only CC. Indeed!! Ha ha, yeah, thats a good one. You almost had us fooled. But I KNEW there was something really special about you. Like you resonated with something really deep in my core.I knwo you had to be like more than just an ordinary saint and jivan-mukti. It is such a joy to be walking the same earth as you. *lol* Hey, man, don't blame Peter for my view! :-) Seriously, you are blowing these states all out of proportion. LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Charlie, Could you provide a plausible reason why take a 4000.-$ course for someone who (of practical reasons) cannot be a fulltime Initiator ? Those of us who have given our youth and dedication to the Movement for decades, we are now sacked. Right ? Jai Guru Dev snip I am wondering what will be said about initiating your own family. My son is 9 1/2 so I am thinking of initiating him into his sitting technique a little early. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
The ealier post of the dialogue between Raja Wynne and MMY addressed this. No teaching of ones children allowed unless you ae a full time rectifed teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Charlie, Could you provide a plausible reason why take a 4000.-$ course for someone who (of practical reasons) cannot be a fulltime Initiator ? Those of us who have given our youth and dedication to the Movement for decades, we are now sacked. Right ? Jai Guru Dev snip I am wondering what will be said about initiating your own family. My son is 9 1/2 so I am thinking of initiating him into his sitting technique a little early. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a person starves to death. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question to you fellows. Since many of you are Initiators, and since most of you are not Rajas - how do you react to the probable fact that all the rest of us who are not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ? I must admit that this is a very strange time after 35 years, the best of my youth, all of my dedication, time and finance - suddenly to be cut off. How do you react ? Hi Lupid, not sure what you mean cut off. Is it emotional loss you experiencing , financial loss or both? is a law suit is considered? Sincerely yours, Lupidus To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are we all sacked ?
In a message dated 3/27/05 1:27:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a question to you fellows.Since many of you are Initiators, and since most of you are not Rajas - how do you react to the probable fact that all the rest of us who are not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ?I must admit that this is a very strange time after 35 years, the best of my youth, all of my dedication, time and finance - suddenly to be cut off. How do you react ?Sincerely yours, Lupidus Lupidus, is it your loss or theirs? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Ju...
In a message dated 3/27/05 2:37:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Charlie, Could you provide a plausible reason why take a 4000.-$ course for someone who (of practical reasons) cannot be a fulltime Initiator ? Those of us who have given our youth and dedication to the Movement for decades, we are now sacked. Right ? Jai Guru Dev snipI am wondering what will be said about initiating your own family. My son is 9 1/2 so I am thinking of initiating him into his sitting technique a little early. My understanding is this course is ONLY for those wishing to teach full time at a pay of 2,000.00 a month and no, you can not initiate even your own family if you do not get decertified. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Ju...
In a message dated 3/27/05 3:18:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My understanding is this course is ONLY for those wishing to teach full time at a pay of 2,000.00 a month and no, you can not initiate even your own family if you do not get decertified. Excuse me I meant to REcertified not decertified To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear akasha, Many thanks! Your post, while (as always) beautifully expressed, is too long and involved for me at the moment to reproduce and interleaf, answering point by point. Well, I would love to hear you address my points when you have the time. As well as Tom. He said three days ago that he would get back to me shortly, regarding my original post. I lok forward to his response also, along with yours. Bottom line: I do not know what Tom's consciousness is to himself; I know what he is in me. Does it follow that if I know what he is in me, then that provides a valid assessment ofhim? If not, why is the inside of you more valid than the inside of me. (Its all Brahamn isn't it, inside and out?) Or are you simple saying that you have a view of him inside of you but that you assign no particular importance or validity to it, no better or worse than anyone elses assessemnt? His descriptions of the actual extinction of the small self, of the death of the witness -- like Peter's -- I can only identify with the extinction of Ahamkara in B.C. Rob Svboda, amongst others, well versed in samkya (from which the concept of ahamkara arises), tantra, and well acquaited with saints that have quite interesting if not phenomenal states and abilites, says if one really looses all Ahamkara, their physical body, amongst other things, would explode and dissolve. Did Shankara refer to Ahamkara totally disolving? Thanks to our dialogue, I am getting a lot clearer on where these states of consciousness are in the Purusha-body. They do serve a purpose. Glad I can be of help. But since your knowledge is in a transitional state, it appears that tomorrow, and next month, and next year, you may have a more refined view, that could contradict that which you think now. By your own word, your knowledge does not appear to be end-state. Shankara, amongst others, appear to have stabilized in state of end-state knowledge. Assuming they were not delusional, I would tend to trust thier views more at this juncture. Yes, C.C. knows the perfect duality of the Unmanifest and the Relative, but it has no conception of the extinction of the small self, the Guru-Christ-Self or Ahamkara. What has died? Nothing. Peter's long described (I didn't say long winded -- but then again high capacity prana inhalation - exhalation abilities IS a good thing!) experience of No Self in CC contradicts this. However, I know your position on this: Peter is misinterpreting his experience. That may be the case, but it could go either way I suppose. If you open the door to misinterpreatation, he may be also be misinterpreting in the wrong direction -- that is, his experiences are not even cc. And I suppose it opens the door for you mis-interpretting your own experiences (and Tom's) -- perhaps they are not as grand as you personally perceive them. Indeed you just said I was blowing them out of proportion, indicating what you experience is not so grand, in your own view. So, bottom line, either Peter is misinterpreting his experiences, or you are misinterpreting them -- along with your own. U.C. knows it's all me, that I embrace all space-time if I care to put my attention there, but again it has no conception of the extinction of the unsuspected intermediating small self which is yet to come. That seems to contradict a lot of Advaitic and probably tantric thought. Any comments on Rory's view by Vaj, Dana, Sailor Bob's protogee's, rudrani(sp), or others? Again, this small self is virtually invisible until its sudden disappearance in B.C., when the rug is totally pulled out and there are no longer any distinctions anywhere; there ONLY is the emptiful Great Immensity. Or maybe that is simply CC, and you have misinterpreted prior states. Your mind(s) is/are beautifully refined, and I mean that in all awe and appreciation of your intellect. But at the moment you still appear (to me) to be pretending perhaps to be Ahamkara-bound (this as evidenced by your attempts to distinguish and separate the self- evidently inseparable with logic), and so we really cannot go any further; logic is lovely but utterly useless where the ever-present and non-dual B.C. is concerned. THAT recognizes THAT. Well Shankara and Patanjali, amongst others appear to have lauded the value of refining buddhi. Until it is glass like and can sit on the threshold of all knowledge. Subtle and sharp enought to make the final distinction. Sharp enough to really GET IT via the Mahavakya. To GET the fundamental musunderstanding of the intellect (prior to glass like state). That's how I recognize Tom to be speaking the Truth. But then you may be delusional. It's a freakin' paradox only the unselfed heart-belly can comprehend. I have heard persons very high on LSD -- during and after, say similar things. Emphatic proclomation or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can i blow states out of proportion? that are infinite, unbounded, with no trace of individualtiy, with no hint of boundaries? Because they are simple, natural, and effortless *lol* -- just who you are, that's all. Easy to overlook, obviously, but absurdly self- evident all the same. It is not especially useful to glamorize them as something beyond or outside you. Krishna Consciousness is just a natural development from realizing THAT, springing from a further realization that hey, THAT is all well and good, but what about ME? If THAT is big enough to be everything, THAT must also be big enough to be extremely small -- IOW, to be ME, to care about me, to assume the aspect of a personal God-self. Hence the sudden collapse of THAT into the all-inclusive bliss-point: THAT AM I, infinitely large but also infinitely small. THAT awakens to itself and becomes able to enter inside itself as an Avatar (so to speak) of its own creation, ministering to its own component I-selves. By going into your body and ministering to your I-selves, you are in turn the small I-self ministered by your own larger-I. A lovely loop of self-referent love- flow. As you can see, this is overtly very similar to G.C.(not surprising since the same Purushic chakras are being activated -- the bliss- sheath and the sense-organ-sheath, albeit now in reverse to G.C.), but would not be consciousness outside you OF Krishna as (one of many) personal gods, it would be consciousness of yourself AS Krishna as personal god, as the entire Self and minute all-inclusive portion(s) of the Self simultaneously: the contraction of the infinite THAT into the infinitely blissful point(s), while still enjoying the original THAT. Let me make this point as clearly as I can -- while K.C. makes us Masters (albeit Baby Masters), it does not make us Masters of anything other than ourselves. We are barely becoming fit to run our own universe at this point, certainly not yours. That's up to you. *lol* Akasha wrote: You mean I won't really be blown away until you introduce the next 24 states beyond Krishna Consciousness aand Shiva Consciousness (the SC i presume)? *lol* You got it, brother :-) :-) :-) LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a person starves to death. + On the other hand, she probably wouldn't suffer if she wasn't starving. N. She stopped feeling anything 15 years ago when her cerebral cortex died from lack of oxygen. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, C.C. knows the perfect duality of the Unmanifest and the Relative, but it has no conception of the extinction of the small self, the Guru-Christ-Self or Ahamkara. anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did Christ got involved here? ; Rory wrote: Christ is another name for the Causal body, or Solar Angel, or God- King-Self who mediates as the I AM or ruler of our personal Soul, midway between the Absolute (Father-Heaven) and Relative (Mother- Earth) until the crucifixion when Heaven and Earth meet in us (at the Crossing of Purusha and Prakriti). Crucifixion, nirvana (blowing out of the lamp) and B.C. are all the same in my view. As Tat Wala Baba apparently said, God is one; it is only men [and women] who make him[/her] different. LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a person starves to death. + On the other hand, she probably wouldn't suffer if she wasn't starving. N. She stopped feeling anything 15 years ago when her cerebral cortex died from lack of oxygen. The Dr's caring for her might as well give morphine to each other since they are suffering much more than her. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can i blow states out of proportion? that are infinite, unbounded, with no trace of individualtiy, with no hint of boundaries? Because they are simple, natural, and effortless *lol* -- just who you are, that's all. Easy to overlook, obviously, but absurdly self- evident all the same. It is not especially useful to glamorize them as something beyond or outside you. Krishna Consciousness is just a natural development from realizing THAT, springing from a further realization that hey, THAT is all well and good, but what about ME? If THAT is big enough to be everything, THAT must also be big enough to be extremely small -- IOW, to be ME, to care about me, to assume the aspect of a personal God-self. Hence the sudden collapse of THAT into the all-inclusive bliss-point: THAT AM I, infinitely large but also infinitely small. THAT awakens to itself and becomes able to enter inside itself as an Avatar (so to speak) of its own creation, ministering to its own component I-selves. By going into your body and ministering to your I-selves, you are in turn the small I-self ministered by your own larger-I. A lovely loop of self-referent love- flow. As you can see, this is overtly very similar to G.C.(not surprising since the same Purushic chakras are being activated -- the bliss- sheath and the sense-organ-sheath, albeit now in reverse to G.C.), but would not be consciousness outside you OF Krishna as (one of many) personal gods, it would be consciousness of yourself AS Krishna as personal god, as the entire Self and minute all-inclusive portion(s) of the Self simultaneously: the contraction of the infinite THAT into the infinitely blissful point(s), while still enjoying the original THAT. Let me make this point as clearly as I can -- while K.C. makes us Masters (albeit Baby Masters), it does not make us Masters of anything other than ourselves. We are barely becoming fit to run our own universe at this point, certainly not yours. That's up to you. *lol* Sounds like over enlivenment of the third chakra lust for power center -- mixed with a bit too much datura. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
On Mar 27, 2005, at 4:38 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Rob Svboda, amongst others, well versed in samkya (from which the concept of ahamkara arises), tantra, and well acquaited with saints that have quite interesting if not phenomenal states and abilites, says if one really looses all Ahamkara, their physical body, amongst other things, would explode and dissolve. Well, no that is not actually what he says. He says you would lose the ability to self-identify with the body. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To all the nay-sayers out there...
Just received this.. = Dear Vedic Scholar Campus Donor, When Raja Wynne asked a few months ago if the Vedic Scholars could join us in Maharishi Vedic City, Maharishi said we should wait until concerns of the parents in India lessened about the perils of international travel, especially to America. Now, today, we have some very exciting news to report: Raja Wynne was able to raise the question to Maharishi: Had the feelings changed sufficiently that we could begin to plan for the Vedic Scholars to come? Maharishi's response was extremely heartening. He said, Yagyas have now begun in India, and as sattwa grows over the next two to three months, we could then think of the Vedic Scholars coming to America. And when Raja Wynne asked, for the sake of confirmation, if the plan for the Vedic campus continues to be as it has always beena home for 500 Vedic ScholarsMaharishi confirmed, Yes, the plan is as it has always been. Specifically, Guru Purnima will come in two or three months, a time which Maharishi said will mark the beginning of the descent of Sat Yugathe age of positivityand the end of Kali Yuga, the age of negativity. That means following the Guru Purnima celebrations may be the ideal time for the Vedic Scholars to come. We wanted to share this wonderful news and thank you again for your dedication to bringing the Vedic Scholars to Maharishi Vedic City. These 500 Vedic Scholars are only the beginning. Peace Palaces will soon be built throughout the country, and in every location there will be a large Celebration Ground for Vedic Scholars to perform Vedic recitations thee times a day. But the Vedic Scholar campus in Maharishi Vedic City will be the core from where the influence of sattwa will spread throughout America. === big snip = To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Yahoo Format
Is anyone else bothered by this new format. Kinda like someone taking an academic approach which is often not the way most people think and do things. This reverse flow deal seems stupid, or maybe I am just too averse to change. (which I am) lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door.17 [Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The Way to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.] For anyone who has visited India, it is a very common sight to see people lie on the floor. But anyway, I have come to view MMY's uncle 'Dr' Raj Varma's remarks with some caution since observing that the major part of his 1980 book 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint' was derived from a direct translation of Rameshwar Tiwari's 1965 Hindi biography of Guru Dev and parts of a 1950 compilation of Guru Dev quotations. This creates the illusion to the casual reader that he has contributed a fresh biography. Seemingly his biographical notes, contained in Elsa Dragemark's book, also stem from Rameshwar's precious biography. *** You describe Rameshwar's biography as precious, which implies that you consider it to be factual and authoritative, yet somehow when material from that book appears in Strange facts about a great saint it somehows becomes suspect? This is nonsense. It may be fair to accuse Varma of plagiarism (which is a commonplace in the book world -- among many others, famous historian Stephen Ambrose plagiarized considerably http://slate.msn.com/id/2072336/ ), but the underlying facts whether attributed properly in an academic way or not remain uncontested. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2005, at 4:38 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Rob Svboda, amongst others, well versed in samkya (from which the concept of ahamkara arises), tantra, and well acquaited with saints that have quite interesting if not phenomenal states and abilites, says if one really looses all Ahamkara, their physical body, amongst other things, would explode and dissolve. Well, no that is not actually what he says. He says you would lose the ability to self-identify with the body. No, yuo are incorrect to say that no that is not actually what he says.. He does say that, in great detail, in one of is ayur vedic books, the one with the light brown cover I believe (I would guess around page 37, but its been 10 years since I hae seen the book, so I may be off a bit), he is very explicit, over several pages, in a discussion of samkya: he says, that ahamkara is the glue that holds the various components of the body together (dhatus, I think, but not sure) that and that absent ahamkara, the physical body could not survive. He says that peoplethat say ahamkara is disolved don't know hwat they aer talking about. I don't believe i have that book any longer, but I have the three aghora books, I will look in there if he has a refinement of his AV book statement. What book of his are you referring to? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question to you fellows. Since many of you are Initiators, and since most of you are not Rajas - how do you react to the probable fact that all the rest of us who are not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ? * I'm not an initiator, having only completed phase I of TM teacher training, but on the basis of my 37 years of TM practice, I see this latest announcement as just another unworkable plan that will be chucked after a few months (not that it makes a lot of difference anyway, given the low initiation rate in the U.S.). When MMY said at a press conference a couple years ago that he did not mind if renegade TM teachers taught outside the TM bureaucracy as long as they did it in the prescribed way, it created a problem for the TM movement: how to deal with people who have been taught authentic TM, but whose starting was not accepted by the TM bureaucracy for purposes of checking or attending courses, etc? This announcement that only re- certified teachers can teach is an attempt to re-gain control over the brand, but it won't work, because there is not enough revenue to support full-time teachers, and because there will only be a few full- time teachers, doing checking of meditation for people who live outside of the few cities where the full-time teachers are will be a logistical nightmare, and so on... I predict a life-span of about 3 months for this pronouncement -- maybe it will disappear in July when the Sat Yuga starts!! I must admit that this is a very strange time after 35 years, the best of my youth, all of my dedication, time and finance - suddenly to be cut off. How do you react ? Sincerely yours, Lupidus To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ealier post of the dialogue between Raja Wynne and MMY addressed this. No teaching of ones children allowed unless you ae a full time rectifed teacher. Which means, surprise!, you gots to pay the 2.5K$ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Charlie, Could you provide a plausible reason why take a 4000.-$ course for someone who (of practical reasons) cannot be a fulltime Initiator ? Those of us who have given our youth and dedication to the Movement for decades, we are now sacked. Right ? Jai Guru Dev snip I am wondering what will be said about initiating your own family. My son is 9 1/2 so I am thinking of initiating him into his sitting technique a little early. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
On Mar 27, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: I predict a life-span of about 3 months for this pronouncement -- maybe it will disappear in July when the Sat Yuga starts!! You know once Bush finds out the Sat Yug has started he's just going to extend the retirement age. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a person starves to death. + On the other hand, she probably wouldn't suffer if she wasn't starving. N. She stopped feeling anything 15 years ago when her cerebral cortex died from lack of oxygen. + Right, that is what you are supposed to believe-no problem. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
On Mar 27, 2005, at 5:30 PM, akasha_108 wrote: What book of his are you referring to? Actually, if you want to find the quote, you can go to Amazon.com and search inside the new version, which is called Prakriti now, for the word Ahamkara. -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Yahoo Format
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone else bothered by this new format. Kinda like someone taking an academic approach which is often not the way most people think and do things. This reverse flow deal seems stupid, or maybe I am just too averse to change. (which I am) lurk The previous post is after the next one? I asked about that but, havent heard anything yet. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2005, at 5:30 PM, akasha_108 wrote: What book of his are you referring to? _Prakruti_. And personal teachings. That may be the one that am referring to. Does it have a light brown cover? Can you quote the paasage the supports your claim? Can you look at the section on Samhkya that deals with ahamkara, in front half of the book and see if you find what I am referring to? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question to you fellows. Since many of you are Initiators, and since most of you are not Rajas - how do you react to the probable fact that all the rest of us who are not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ? * I'm not an initiator, having only completed phase I of TM teacher training, but on the basis of my 37 years of TM practice, I see this latest announcement as just another unworkable plan that will be chucked after a few months (not that it makes a lot of difference anyway, given the low initiation rate in the U.S.). When MMY said at a press conference a couple years ago that he did not mind if renegade TM teachers taught outside the TM bureaucracy as long as they did it in the prescribed way, it created a problem for the TM movement: how to deal with people who have been taught authentic TM, but whose starting was not accepted by the TM bureaucracy for purposes of checking or attending courses, etc? This announcement that only re- certified teachers can teach is an attempt to re-gain control over the brand, but it won't work, because there is not enough revenue to support full-time teachers, and because there will only be a few full- time teachers, doing checking of meditation for people who live outside of the few cities where the full-time teachers are will be a logistical nightmare, and so on... I predict a life-span of about 3 months for this pronouncement -- maybe it will disappear in July when the Sat Yuga starts!! Or it creates an opening and clear distiction for teachers taching old school TM and those that are certified to teach the NEW TM. If the the current oganizaton, having its roots in SIMS, IMS, SRM, WPEC, etc are fully dissolved, then forms and agreements about teaching may disolve also. It seems MMY is rebranding TM, heck it may even be called something new: e,g,, SYET -- Sat Yuga Enlightnement Technology. If such a demarcation were to unfold, then here would be little confusion about those teaching 70's style TM -- particularly if they are clear that they, while trained by MMY, and are teaching exactly what they were taught, are not part of any current MMY organization. And Old School teachers could makeit clear to students that if they want the current teaching they shuold go to the local peace palace. And Peace palaces might even refer people to old TM teachers who teach at $100 / initiate. That is, g\they might say, if you can't afford, or dont want the best, you can do old technology, like driving a 1970 VW, it is up to you. A multipe product branding stragey to address the needs of multiple market segments, is a long used and effective marketing strategy. Akasha -- MBA To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a person starves to death. + On the other hand, she probably wouldn't suffer if she wasn't starving. N. She stopped feeling anything 15 years ago when her cerebral cortex died from lack of oxygen. + Right, that is what you are supposed to believe-no problem. If you weren't in denial and fantasyland you'd believe it too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
Is that anything like the New Math? Sal On Mar 27, 2005, at 5:14 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Or it creates an opening and clear distiction for teachers taching old school TM and those that are certified to teach the NEW TM.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
What will they do if you teach them anyway? Excommunicate you? Sal On Mar 27, 2005, at 2:45 PM, akasha_108 wrote: The ealier post of the dialogue between Raja Wynne and MMY addressed this. No teaching of ones children allowed unless you ae a full time rectifed teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that anything like the New Math? I think it's more like the New Coke. L B S Sal On Mar 27, 2005, at 5:14 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Or it creates an opening and clear distiction for teachers taching old school TM and those that are certified to teach the NEW TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Question $2000
I tried to broach this before, but does anyone know if the $2000 a month will also include - over and above that - the percentage of the money that is usually asked for TM.? If so, it could be quite good. Teach two or three people a month and add that money (is it one third goes to TM teacher or what? I don't remember) to the 2000 and you could have a tidy income and blissful life. and with full time attention youi could probably get a few per montheven at $2400 a pop. ??? Anyone know? (I'm not a TM teacher so thankfully I don't have to make any rush decisions) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear akasha, Many thanks! Your post, while (as always) beautifully expressed, is too long and involved for me at the moment to reproduce and interleaf, answering point by point. Akasha wrote: Well, I would love to hear you address my points when you have the time. Rory wrote: I thought I did. I know I did as well as I can, anyhow. *lol* As long as you are processing through the logical mind, we aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this one. Logic cannot embrace what I am speaking of, can only slip around it, seeing it from different snapshot-angles. You, however, can embrace what I speak of because you ARE it. As is Tom. As is Peter. You will never be utterly certain of anything until THAT gets you, though -- THAT I can pretty much guarantee. Akasha wrote: As well as Tom. He said three days ago that he would get back to me shortly, regarding my original post. I lok forward to his response also, along with yours. Rory: Maybe he's waiting for you to realize you are trying to grasp the ungraspable. Dunno. You'll have to ask him. :-) Rory earlier wrote: Bottom line: I do not know what Tom's consciousness is to himself; I know what he is in me. Akasha wrote: Does it follow that if I know what he is in me, then that provides a valid assessment ofhim? Rory: If you have to ask, I am guessing not. You tell me. :-) Akasha: If not, why is the inside of you more valid than the inside of me. Rory: Because you had to ask. Seriously, who said it was? :-) I am only responsible for my own creation, not yours. I know what I know, and you know what you know. So what if Peter and Tom and I are all saying essentially the same thing? You are free to ignore us all for as long as you like. If you can. :-) Akasha: (Its all Brahamn isn't it, inside and out?) Rory: To me it is, absolutely, sure. Is it to you? If not, then no-self certainty awaits with open arms. Akasha: Or are you simple saying that you have a view of him inside of you but that you assign no particular importance or validity to it, no better or worse than anyone elses assessemnt? Rory: Hah. No, my assessment of Tom is absolutely better than the one you have apparently assigned to him thus far. I know what he's talking about and you are pretending you don't. But then, my assessment of you is also better than the one you have apparently assigned for yourself. Fair is fair. :-) Rory earlier wrote: His descriptions of the actual extinction of the small self, of the death of the witness -- like Peter's -- I can only identify with the extinction of Ahamkara in B.C. Akasha wrote: Rob Svboda, amongst others, well versed in samkya (from which the concept of ahamkara arises), tantra, and well acquaited with saints that have quite interesting if not phenomenal states and abilites, says if one really looses all Ahamkara, their physical body, amongst other things, would explode and dissolve. Rory: Yep, that's what happens. ;-) Nothing to be afraid of. The water's fine once you get in. Akasha: Did Shankara refer to Ahamkara totally disolving? Rory: Couldn't tell you. I don't speak for Shankara. You'll have to ask him yourself. But it does not totally dissolve for all time while you are in the body; as mentioned earlier, you put it on again later, but it no longer serves the same function as before, at all, at all. Rory earlier wrote: Thanks to our dialogue, I am getting a lot clearer on where these states of consciousness are in the Purusha-body. They do serve a purpose. Akasha wrote: Glad I can be of help. But since your knowledge is in a transitional state, Rory: Knowledge is always in a transitional state. That's the fun of it. Akasha: it appears that tomorrow, and next month, and next year, you may have a more refined view, that could contradict that which you think now. Rory: Sure. Why not? I am no fundamentalist, checking my Truth fearfully against what someone wrote a thousand years ago or last week. *lol* (Not that there's anything wrong with verification via scripture or Master, of course.) My knowledge is eternally THAT, yet it lives and breathes and grows. It is self-evident. It is eternally unchanging, and eternally changing. It is perfectly appropriate to the moment, and to all of those reading it in this moment. It is calculated to awaken Us all to greater self-knowledge and greater appreciation. For this moment, that is enough. Akasha: By your own word, your knowledge does not appear to be end-state. Shankara, amongst others, appear to have stabilized in state of end-state knowledge. Assuming they were not delusional, I would tend to trust thier views more at this juncture. Rory wrote: Hey, suit yourself. :-) Trusting anybody other than your Self/Non- Self is absurd in my opinion, but if that's where you're really at, then enjoy it. Go ahead. Sell
[FairfieldLife] Ahamkara
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2005, at 4:38 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Rob Svboda, amongst others, well versed in samkya (from which the concept of ahamkara arises), tantra, and well acquaited with saints that have quite interesting if not phenomenal states and abilites, says if one really looses all Ahamkara, their physical body, amongst other things, would explode and dissolve. Well, no that is not actually what he says. He says you would lose the ability to self-identify with the body. Here are teh quotes that I found. They are along the lines of what I remember, though I remember the olkdeversio talking about the cells in the body actually disolving without ahamkara. I could not find what you refer to. quotes from Prakriti -- Robert Svoboda. Ahamkara ceaselessly identifies itself with each of the trillion cells in your body. Your ahamkara constantly reminds every one of your cells of its identity as a sub-unit of that grand and glorious entity known as YOU. Ahamkara ensures that only those cells that swear allegiance to her lordship are allowed to remain alive in the body. ... You can remain alive, safe inside yuro castle, only so long as your ahamkara serves as your garrison governor. When she is injured, alien beings [germs, viruses, etc] may find awak spot in your defenses and strike you down. This I-former is your mother becasue she aggregates to herself ll the building blocks that form you. [your body] The ancient rishis who knew this I am principle well, worshipped their own ahamkaras as mothers that they might enter in a lovingrelationship with them. ..Rishis recognied in the trancendent wsdom the creative importance of MotherNature [equated with ahamkara]. Diseases arise when ahamkara is afflicted and immunity weakens. .. Damage to the ahamkara-mothr predisposes us to disease by weakening our innate forgiveness. p 12 It is a mystery and miracle : that which is not-you is converted by ahamkara into that which is part of you. p 51 If you have become immortal you can keep your body forever, and instruct your Kundalini to identify with it or with Shiva at your whim. This is absolute health, total control of ahamkara and its immune defences.p 185 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question $2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to broach this before, but does anyone know if the $2000 a month will also include - over and above that - the percentage of the money that is usually asked for TM.? If so, it could be quite good. Teach two or three people a month and add that money (is it one third goes to TM teacher or what? I don't remember) to the 2000 and you could have a tidy income and blissful life. and with full time attention youi could probably get a few per montheven at $2400 a pop. ??? Anyone know? (I'm not a TM teacher so thankfully I don't have to make any rush decisions) No. Why would it. There has been no mention of this. They are trying to make the deal as attractive as possible. If it was part of the deal they would state it. By the way, one of the raja's fancy official letters said $3k/ month and allthe others said $2k. Anybody from FF sign up yet? Does anyone know ANYONE who has signed up yet? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
In a message dated 3/27/05 4:47:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When MMY said at a press conference a couple years ago that he did not mind if renegade TM teachers taught outside the TM bureaucracy as long as they did it in the prescribed way, Bob , MMY said this? Well what a door this opens. Renegades could offer TM at a reasonable price and if the Initiate likes it enough to stick with it, he can save up his 2,400.00 and get re-initiated so he can get all of the advanced programs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not an initiator, having only completed phase I of TM teacher training, but on the basis of my 37 years of TM practice, I see this latest announcement as just another unworkable plan that will be chucked after a few months (not that it makes a lot of difference anyway, given the low initiation rate in the U.S.). When MMY said at a press conference a couple years ago that he did not mind if renegade TM teachers taught outside the TM bureaucracy as long as they did it in the prescribed way, it created a problem for the TM movement: how to deal with people who have been taught authentic TM, but whose starting was not accepted by the TM bureaucracy for purposes of checking or attending courses, etc? This announcement that only re- certified teachers can teach is an attempt to re-gain control over the brand, but it won't work, because there is not enough revenue to support full-time teachers, and because there will only be a few full- time teachers, doing checking of meditation for people who live outside of the few cities where the full-time teachers are will be a logistical nightmare, and so on... I predict a life-span of about 3 months for this pronouncement -- maybe it will disappear in July when the Sat Yuga starts!! snip One factor that will decide the survivability of this new slimmed and more dedicated scheme is what it will cost to learn to meditate with these new technologies. What if the price tag is set really low? MMY might prove able to revitalize the movement whilst ditching a serious amount of dead unmotivated ungrateful whining meat? I think this wonderful attempt to create something radically new deserves unflagging support and praise. If you're an old time TM-teacher and not prepared to sign up for 2K/month - enjoy your retirement! I was asking what the insurance coverage and retirement benefits were for the new setup- probably like the old ones were? N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question $2000
In a message dated 3/27/05 5:54:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried to broach this before, but does anyone know if the $2000 a month will also include - over and above that - the percentage of the money that is usually asked for TM.? If so, it could be quite good. Teach two or three people a month and add that money (is it one third goes to TM teacher or what? I don't remember) to the 2000 and you could have a tidy income and blissful life. and with full time attention youi could probably get a few per montheven at $2400 a pop.???Anyone know?(I'm not a TM teacher so thankfully I don't have to make any rush decisions) Full time teachers get paid a flat fee of 2,000.00 a month whether you teach nobody or 100 a month. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ahamkara
On Mar 27, 2005, at 6:56 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Here are teh quotes that I found. They are along the lines of what I remember, though I remember the olkdeversio talking about the cells in the body actually disolving without ahamkara. Since Ayurveda is pre-Vedic, it bases it's cosmology on the pre-Vedic Samkhya. Since Ayurveda deals with the body, Ahamkara plays an important part it defining embodiment. But make no mistake, Tantra and Yoga both work with dissolution of Ahamkara, by working with Aham. Samkhya, you know, relates to CC-style realization. Thus Ahamkara is not mentioned in Vedantic cosmology. If you want to grok Ahamkara from a Vedic perspective, read the Purusha sukta. -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question $2000
In a message dated 3/27/05 6:05:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anybody from FF sign up yet? Does anyone know ANYONE who has signed upyet? I think most of the full time teachers I know couldn't afford the fee for the course and are so far in debt and already have filed bankruptcy that they would have to go rob liquor stores to get the money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] update: 550 have said yes to teach TM
Be interesting to see how many governors who have not initiated anyone in two years will be able to find someone to initiate before the April 4th deadline. Assuming they'd rather spend 2,000 than 4,000, that is. --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Global Country of World Peace To: Global Country of World Peace Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Governors Course to Begin April 4 Raja Domain Four: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee The Golden Path Governors Recertification and Refresher Course Begins April 4 March 27, 2005 Dear Governors and Citizen Sidhas, The Governor Recertification Course will begin on Monday April 4 for a length of 15 days for those Governors who have initiated in the last 24 months, and a refresher and recertification course will start on that same date for 30 days for Governors who have not initiated during the past two years. Arrival and registration will be on April 3rd. All teaching of the Transcendental Meditation program will stop on April 4th during this transition from Kali Yuga to Satya Yuga and will not resume until the first certified teachers have graduated. The course locations are still being finalized. We will advise you within 2 to 3 days of the final location. We want to reach every Governor today as there is only a week to organize. Please share this news with Governors you know who may not be on our contact lists. Please sign up on our website http://atlanta.globalcountry.net/form.html and check the box for the 'Recertification Course,' or contact your Regional Director whose email address is listed at the bottom of this email, or simply reply to this address. Once you've signed up we will send you an application form to complete and fax back. The course fee will be the same as the monthly compensation, $4000 per month in the U.S. Therefore the 15-day course will be $2000, and the one-month course $4000. After being recertified at the end of the course each recertified Governor will begin establishing their Peace Palace and location in the malls and start to receive their monthly compensation. There will also be longer training for Citizen Sidhas, so we can begin to take applications, but right now the emphasis is on starting the recertification right away. The course is only for Governors who will be full-time establishing and teaching in their Peace Palaces. It is not for anyone else who will not be teaching full-time, even if they are full-time for the Movement in some other capacity. As of today 550 Governors have committed to teaching full time in the U.S. in the 8 Domains. Although we want 2400, we are willing to start with this lesser number and then build up. We are starting the regeneration of the Movement on a golden path. Now it is the 50th year, the Golden Jubilee and the golden path will be created. All can walk on it very comfortably. Jai Guru Dev H.H. Dr. Rogers Badgett Raja of Atlanta AL AR LA MS KY and TN Rick Sue Weller Charlie Marguerite Heath
[FairfieldLife] Re: update: 550 have said yes to teach TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raja Domain Four: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee The Golden Path Governors Recertification and Refresher Course Begins April 4 March 27, 2005 Dear Governors and Citizen Sidhas, The Governor Recertification Course will begin on Monday April 4 for a length of 15 days for those Governors who have initiated in the last 24 months, and a refresher and recertification course will start on that same date for 30 days for Governors who have not initiated during the past two years. Arrival and registration will be on April 3rd. All teaching of the Transcendental Meditation program will stop on April 4th during this transition from Kali Yuga to Satya Yuga and will not resume until the first certified teachers have graduated. SNIP The course fee will be the same as the monthly compensation, $4000 per month in the U.S. Therefore the 15- day course will be $2000, and the one-month course $4000. After being recertified at the end of the course each recertified Governor will begin establishing their Peace Palace and location in the malls and start to receive their monthly compensation. Interesting to note that the monthly pay of the New Coke, er TM, Teachers has already gone from $2000 to $3000 to now $4000/month. Guess it's that inflation you could expect in the transition between Kaliyuga and Sat Yuga. So if 550 have accepted so far to attend these recert courses and be full-time compensated teachers, that's $2,220,000 a month in salary alone, which means at least 880 people a month must be initiated just to pay salaries, not to mention all the other expenses involved in maintaining a center. I doubt if more than about 200 a month are being initiated now in the USA, and probably even fewer, so this plan does not look sustainable unless something unusual happens in July's Sat Yuga forecast, which I think is possible. Show me the sattva! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: update: 550 have said yes to teach TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be interesting to see how many governors who have not initiated anyone in two years will be able to find someone to initiate before the April 4th deadline. Assuming they'd rather spend 2,000 than 4,000, that is. My reading of the press release is that attendees do not have to come up with any money, because they will be paid to attend the course, either the 2k for the two week course or the 4k for the month long course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
On Mar 27, 2005, at 7:44 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: Maharishi: What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 - 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on their own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. That's all I needed to hear. Thanks Bob. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question $2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/05 6:05:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anybody from FF sign up yet? Does anyone know ANYONE who has signed up yet? I think most of the full time teachers I know couldn't afford the fee for the course and are so far in debt and already have filed bankruptcy that they would have to go rob liquor stores to get the money. Is there a special Maharishi Effect for liquor store stickups? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question $2000
. I think most of the full time teachers I know couldn't afford the fee for the course and are so far in debt and already have filed bankruptcy that they would have to go rob liquor stores to get the money. L B Shriver wrote: Is there a special Maharishi Effect for liquor store stickups? In the coming Sat Yug...no liquor stores! The poor shop-keeper much change his shop! Therefore, if you rob him of his bad liquor profits, it only speeds the process...very good, very good. -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] update: 550 have said yes to teach TM
Florida is representin'!! --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Global Country of World Peace To: Global Country of World Peace Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Governors Course to Begin April 4 Raja Domain Four: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee The Golden Path Governors Recertification and Refresher Course Begins April 4 March 27, 2005 Dear Governors and Citizen Sidhas, The Governor Recertification Course will begin on Monday April 4 for a length of 15 days for those Governors who have initiated in the last 24 months, and a refresher and recertification course will start on that same date for 30 days for Governors who have not initiated during the past two years. Arrival and registration will be on April 3rd. All teaching of the Transcendental Meditation program will stop on April 4th during this transition from Kali Yuga to Satya Yuga and will not resume until the first certified teachers have graduated. The course locations are still being finalized. We will advise you within 2 to 3 days of the final location. We want to reach every Governor today as there is only a week to organize. Please share this news with Governors you know who may not be on our contact lists. Please sign up on our website http://atlanta.globalcountry.net/form.html and check the box for the 'Recertification Course,' or contact your Regional Director whose email address is listed at the bottom of this email, or simply reply to this address. Once you've signed up we will send you an application form to complete and fax back. The course fee will be the same as the monthly compensation, $4000 per month in the U.S. Therefore the 15-day course will be $2000, and the one-month course $4000. After being recertified at the end of the course each recertified Governor will begin establishing their Peace Palace and location in the malls and start to receive their monthly compensation. There will also be longer training for Citizen Sidhas, so we can begin to take applications, but right now the emphasis is on starting the recertification right away. The course is only for Governors who will be full-time establishing and teaching in their Peace Palaces. It is not for anyone else who will not be teaching full-time, even if they are full-time for the Movement in some other capacity. As of today 550 Governors have committed to teaching full time in the U.S. in the 8 Domains. Although we want 2400, we are willing to start with this lesser number and then build up. We are starting the regeneration of the Movement on a golden path. Now it is the 50th year, the Golden Jubilee and the golden path will be created. All can walk on it very comfortably. Jai Guru Dev H.H. Dr. Rogers Badgett Raja of Atlanta AL AR LA MS KY and TN Rick Sue Weller Charlie Marguerite Heath 859-243-0348 ext 1581 859-977-0877
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question $2000?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full time teachers get paid a flat fee of 2,000.00 a month whether you teach nobody or 100 a month. it looks similar to any company on Wall St. selling their shares by increasing the number of shares thus dilutes investor's capital. dose it make sense? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. ** That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga
Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: update: 550 have said yes to teach TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raja Domain Four: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee The Golden Path Governors Recertification and Refresher Course Begins April 4 March 27, 2005 Dear Governors and Citizen Sidhas, The Governor Recertification Course will begin on Monday April 4 for a length of 15 days for those Governors who have initiated in the last 24 months, and a refresher and recertification course will start on that same date for 30 days for Governors who have not initiated during the past two years. Arrival and registration will be on April 3rd. All teaching of the Transcendental Meditation program will stop on April 4th during this transition from Kali Yuga to Satya Yuga and will not resume until the first certified teachers have graduated. SNIP The course fee will be the same as the monthly compensation, $4000 per month in the U.S. Therefore the 15- day course will be $2000, and the one-month course $4000. After being recertified at the end of the course each recertified Governor will begin establishing their Peace Palace and location in the malls and start to receive their monthly compensation. Interesting to note that the monthly pay of the New Coke, er TM, Teachers has already gone from $2000 to $3000 to now $4000/month. Guess it's that inflation you could expect in the transition between Kaliyuga and Sat Yuga. So if 550 have accepted so far to attend these recert courses and be full-time compensated teachers, that's $2,220,000 a month in salary alone, which means at least 880 people a month must be initiated just to pay salaries, not to mention all the other expenses involved in maintaining a center. I doubt if more than about 200 a month are being initiated now in the USA, and probably even fewer, so this plan does not look sustainable unless something unusual happens in July's Sat Yuga forecast, which I think is possible. Show me the sattva! what about chaos theory... I hope MMY is right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question $2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/05 5:54:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried to broach this before, but does anyone know if the $2000 a month will also include - over and above that - the percentage of the money that is usually asked for TM.? If so, it could be quite good. Teach two or three people a month and add that money (is it one third goes to TM teacher or what? I don't remember) to the 2000 and you could have a tidy income and blissful life. and with full time attention youi could probably get a few per montheven at $2400 a pop. ??? Anyone know? (I'm not a TM teacher so thankfully I don't have to make any rush decisions) Full time teachers get paid a flat fee of 2,000.00 a month whether you teach nobody or 100 a month. Thanks. It should be $3,000 a month then, not $2,000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop spreading roomers Akasha, you'll soon have borders. -Ron, er Peter --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're sacked only if you accept the distinction of the four options offered. I don't accept those distinctions therefore I'm not sacked. -Peter But you are in Krishna Consciousness. What are we mere mortals supposed to do? Apologies to the Walrus Peter is Ron, Rory is Tom RJ's on Dom And they are all together. See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly. Self is frying. Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for satyug to come. Evolution, stupid bloody tuesday. Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face glow long. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob. Mister vedic city rajaman sitting Pretty little rajamen in a row. See how they fly like lucy in the sky, see how they fly. I'm dying, I'm dying. I'm dying, Ahamkara is dying. Golden matter custard, dripping from a dead dog's pearly teeth. Grab a motherD, wishwife, pornographic priestess, Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob. Sitting in a VC garden waiting for the sun of Brahman. If the sun don't come, you get a tan From standing in the VC rain. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob. Expert textpert choking dopers, Don't you thing the joker laughs at you? See how they smile like pigs in a sty, See how they snied. I'm crying. Amoloka rasayana, climbing up the eiffel tower. Elementary penguin singing hari krishna. Man, you should have seen them kicking edgar allan poe. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob. Goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob g'goo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop spreading roomers Akasha, you'll soon have borders. -Ron, er Peter --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're sacked only if you accept the distinction of the four options offered. I don't accept those distinctions therefore I'm not sacked. -Peter But you are in Krishna Consciousness. What are we mere mortals supposed to do? Apologies to the Walrus Peter is Ron, Rory is Tom RJ's on Dom And they are all together. See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly. Self is frying. Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for satyug to come. Evolution, stupid bloody tuesday. Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face glow long. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob. Mister vedic city rajaman sitting Pretty little rajamen in a row. See how they fly like lucy in the sky, see how they fly. I'm dying, I'm dying. I'm dying, Ahamkara is dying. Golden matter custard, dripping from a dead dog's pearly teeth. Grab a motherD, wishwife, pornographic priestess, Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob. Sitting in a VC garden waiting for the sun of Brahman. If the sun don't come, you get a tan From standing in the VC rain. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob. Expert textpert choking dopers, Don't you thing the joker laughs at you? See how they smile like pigs in a sty, See how they snied. I'm crying. Amoloka rasayana, climbing up the eiffel tower. Elementary penguin singing hari krishna. Man, you should have seen them kicking edgar allan poe. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen. I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob. Goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob g'goo. Lol, I think thats very 'snied', whatever that is. What is a 'snied' anyway? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
I wonder how many of those 550 will be ready to be full time when they learn of the course fee for recertification? Sounds like another way to try to squeeze water form a rock. It seems like they are burning up any remaining good will it will backfire worse than previous failed plans. (Seems downright mean to me, no inspiration or compassion, regardless of all the flowery language used to cover up the screw job... real spiritual, sure!) JohnY PS. Pete - glad you met my friend Fred :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that anything like the New Math? I think it's more like the New Coke. L B S Sal On Mar 27, 2005, at 5:14 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Or it creates an opening and clear distiction for teachers taching old school TM and those that are certified to teach the NEW TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
The Real Thing? Sal On Mar 27, 2005, at 5:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is that anything like the New Math? I think it's more like the New Coke.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. Reminds me of the following quote from Guru Dev: To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva. Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a god is attained by those who perform certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of the devatas wander incessantly because of the abundance of enjoyable things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform purushartha [actions consistent with the goals of human life and evolution]. For this reason, the human birth is considered superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as possible, one can eventually become one with God. A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas gods are like pieces of fine jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their progression is complete, and they cannot be further improved. On the other hand, gold which has not yet been crafted by the jeweler is completely unrestricted in its potential. Hence the birth of a human being is said to be the very best birth for action. Having attained this birth, one should not act carelessly, but should conscientiously perform the best purushartha. Fulfilling one's own dharma while keeping faith in Paramatma is the greatest purushartha. Strive to become one with God in this lifetime. Have firm faith in the Vedas and shastras and keep the company of those wise people who also have faith in them. Only then will the purpose of your life be fulfilled. --- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. * That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun lack are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
