[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Mason


 Again, an instance of how truly weaselly you are. 
 Does this set you straight?

Your display of pique is surprising.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Mason


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 So you do not equate the word suspect with your remarks above that 
 you view with caution about the illusion created? You have a 
 remarkably weaselly way with words -- no wonder MMY and TM 
 administrators refuse to talk to you.
 

Either you really don't understand the content of my postings or you 
are just out to misrepresent me. 

Based on your recent responses to me on this newsgroup and TMNEWS I 
begin to suspect the latter.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Mason


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 no wonder MMY and TM 
 administrators refuse to talk to you.
 

It is common knowledge that I offered to enter into an exchange with 
MMY about his biography. However, his response to that letter is not. 
As for your assertion that TM administrators refuse to talk to me... 
First I heard of it!!







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?

2005-03-28 Thread Peter Sutphen

Sorry, I was having a private conversation in public.
Fred's just someone I met when Punditji was here who
also has friends that post in this newsgroup.
-Peter

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  Fred is quite a character and a very good guy 
 
 
 Who is Fred?
 
 some interesting run ins with the
  'movement' (over $$ and an agreements that they
 broke...). A local
  small town here with 1%... and the rest is
 history.
 
 Don't mean to be nosy, but would you care to share
 what exactly 
 happened?
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

I agree with everything you said. I just have a feeling that bringing
pundits to Fairfield hasn't been high on M's priority list. He mainly agreed
to it because Bob Wynne was so enthusiastic.


on 3/28/05 12:50 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/28/05 12:04 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hagelin may be deriving some sincerity from the wish expressed
 that
 the yagyas being performed by the pundits in India will make it
 possible for the 500 pundits to somehow get permission to come to
 the
 USA, but as it stands right now, the U.S. State Dept. has rejected
 1000 applicants from the pool of pundits in India, and there is
 very
 little possibility of the pundits ever being admitted.
 
 
 
 It sounded to me like MMY was placating Bob Wynne. He doesn't like
 to say no
 to people directly. It's an Indian cultural thing. Say yes so as
 not to hurt
 their feelings (or make yourself uncomfortable) even though you
 have no
 intention of doing the thing. Bob took him at his word and
 published the
 conversation. I've gotten the impression all along that the pundit
 thing
 here was the result of Bob badgering MMY on the idea, and that the
 latter
 was never overly enthused about it.
 
 *
 
 You're overlooking clear evidence that the visas were not granted,
 and if the TMO built a $4.5 million trailer park and sought the visas
 and the pundits are not coming only because the visas were denied,
 then all the talk about Maharishi  saying that the pundits should not
 come now because of the parents' concern about safety is just a cover
 story.
 
 The fact is, everybody, MMY and the whole TM mgmt crew, wanted the
 pundits to come, but the job was botched. MUM's lawyer was saying in
 2003 that he was getting assurances from the highest level of the
 State Dept that the visas were no problem, but I had published a
 report from the June 2003 issue of Scientific American noting that
 low-level employees make visa decisions, and those decisions cannot
 be overturned even by the Secretary of State
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante/pundits.html#sciam -- if the TMO had
 bothered to consult with immigration attorneys, they would have found
 that the pundits' poverty was indeed a problem (actually MUM has had
 visa problems before with real college students from India, guys who
 speak English, unlike the uneducated pundits
 http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/02-03/1-22-03.html#3 ), and if MUM had
 tried to get 25 or so visas before building the campus in Vedic City,
 then this whole ridiculous situation of having a useless trailer park
 could have been avoided. Obviously some use will be found for it
 eventually, but for now it's a half-paid-for bunch of metal boxes
 that have no purpose, and it's likely to make donors real unhappy
 that their money was thrown away by the typical bone-head play of TM
 management.
 
 The TMO is always going off half-cocked like this -- the big dog-and-
 pony show to the island of Rota is just one of the many foolish
 spectacles enabled by a failure to talk with expert lawyers in the
 relevant field and a grandiose sense that yogic flyers who can't fly
 will be able to talk their way out of anything:
 
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#gradual
  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:24 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 I agree with everything you said. I just have a feeling that bringing
 pundits to Fairfield hasn't been high on M's priority list. He mainly 
 agreed
 to it because Bob Wynne was so enthusiastic.

One thing worth considering is that MMY is consulting with someone--I 
am thinking of Yogi Karve. He has consulted with him in the past and 
has declared him a Sat Purush.

Yogi Karve has also cancelled plans to travel here until September (he 
was supposed to have been here by now).

-V.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

on 3/28/05 7:29 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:24 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
 I agree with everything you said. I just have a feeling that bringing
 pundits to Fairfield hasn't been high on M's priority list. He mainly
 agreed
 to it because Bob Wynne was so enthusiastic.
 
 One thing worth considering is that MMY is consulting with someone--I
 am thinking of Yogi Karve. He has consulted with him in the past and
 has declared him a Sat Purush.
 
Is he a Jyotishi?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:38 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 Is he a Jyotishi?

He is a yogi who can read your Jyotish chart, precise time of first 
breath and past/future merely by placing his attention on you. He's a 
real jivan-mukti.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Alex Stanley


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/28/05 7:29 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  
  On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:24 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
  
  I agree with everything you said. I just have a feeling that
bringing
  pundits to Fairfield hasn't been high on M's priority list. He
mainly
  agreed
  to it because Bob Wynne was so enthusiastic.
  
  One thing worth considering is that MMY is consulting with
someone--I
  am thinking of Yogi Karve. He has consulted with him in the past
and
  has declared him a Sat Purush.
  
 Is he a Jyotishi?

Seems more like a psychic:

http://www.universalvisionsociety.org/







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:38 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  Is he a Jyotishi?
 
 He is a yogi who can read your Jyotish chart, precise time of first 
 breath and past/future merely by placing his attention on you. He's 
a 
 real jivan-mukti.

Jyaprecise time of first breath...real useful.
Looks like he's good at playing smoke and mirrors and you are sOOOooo 
easily taken in . 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 Seems more like a psychic

I've heard that word used, but I think it is really an insult in this 
case--esp. given the derogatory sense of that word nowadays. He's a 
yogi, someone who lives for union.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj

Good morning Off:

On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:57 AM, off_world_beings wrote:

 Jyaprecise time of first breath...real useful.

Exactly. Profoundly helpful.  For those who don't know their birth 
time, it is a boon.

And esp. if you have recourse to a Nadi Jyotishi who knows the system 
based on precise time of birth.



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[FairfieldLife] Deceiving ourselves

2005-03-28 Thread Patrick Gillam


A while back, Akasha and I kicked around 
the topic of whether people who have deceived 
themselves into believing bullshit are actually 
liars, or if their belief in their position changes 
the case. Well, yesterday the Boston Globe ran 
a profile of evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers, 
whose work addresses self-deception from the 
point of view of its value in propagating genes. 
So I thought this post might interest Akasha and 
L B and maybe a few others.

A sidebar worded the thesis this way:

Whether it's convincing a predator that you're a leaf or fooling another bird 
into 
raising your young, deceit is an evolutionary strategy with a long and 
innovative 
history. But as evolution selects for better and better cheaters, it should 
also select 
for better and better cheating detectors. For example, Trivers argues, humans 
might have evolved to detect the sort of nervous tics that betray a lie. But 
there's a 
counter-strategy: self-deception. If we don't know we're lying, then we won't 
act 
like we're lying, and are more likely to get away with it.

More, from the article:

The book on deceit and self-deception that he's now starting grows out of a 
brief 
but widely cited passage from his introduction to Dawkins's ''The Selfish 
Gene.'' If 
deceit, he wrote, ''is fundamental to animal communication, then there must be 
strong selection to spot deception and this ought, in turn, to select for a 
degree of 
self-deception, rendering some facts and motives unconscious so as not to 
betray-
by the subtle signs of self-knowledge-the deception being practiced.'' Thus, 
the 
idea that the brain evolved to produce ''ever more accurate images of the world 
must be a very naive view of mental evolution.'' We've evolved, in other words, 
to 
delude ourselves so as better to fool others-all in the service of the great 
game of 
propagating our genes.

Trivers speaks: ''It's a critical topic. How many pretenders to the throne have 
there 
been? Marx had a theory of self-deception, Freud thought he had the topic 
knocked. So there've been a lot of major-domos in there. None of that 
[expletive] 
survived the test of time, so it's a huge opportunity.''

The full article is The evolutionary revolutionary: In the 1970s, Robert 
Trivers 
wrote a series of papers that transformed evolutionary biology. Then he all but 
disappeared. Now he's back—and ready to rumble.

By Drake Bennett  |  March 27, 2005

http://tinyurl.com/457kj

 - Patrick Gillam






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Alex Stanley


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  Seems more like a psychic
 
 I've heard that word used, but I think it is really an
 insult in this case--esp. given the derogatory sense of
 that word nowadays. He's a yogi, someone who lives for
 union.

I meant psychic only in that his technique seems to be purely a
phenomenon of consciousness as opposed to mathematical calculation of
a chart. My intent was not to insult him or lump him in with Miss
Cleo ( http://www.ebaumsworld.com/mscleo.html ).

Alex





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Mason


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 A while back, Akasha and I kicked around 
 the topic of whether people who have deceived 
 themselves into believing bullshit are actually 
 liars, or if their belief in their position changes 
 the case. 

By whatever method one deploys to raise one's awareness, the most 
obvious elements to tackle are issues of veracity. Many see adherence 
to truth as one of the fundamental pre-requisites for spiritual 
development. Surely, self-deception is a sign of low or selective 
awareness. 

Though self-deception seems to be a strength for those who resort to 
it, it will ever be an impediment to higher awareness.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 9:33 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 My intent was not to insult him

Nor did I mean to imply that you were. Just a clarification and 
observation on my part.

:-)

-V.



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[FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj
Wasn't coherence and superradiance from FF supposed to prevent this kind of thing? Maybe the coherence stops at the town line? In any event I'm sure we'll see this in the next study. sigh>
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OTTUMWA, Iowa (AP) -- Jittery babies, mistreated toddlers, strung-out mothers: Cheryll Jones' pediatric nursing practice is far from what it was when she started out 30 years ago - long before methamphetamine invaded this riverside Corn Belt town. If anybody told me my primary caseload would be kids exposed to illicit drugs, I'd have said they were crazy, said Jones, who now runs a local task force helping the most helpless victims of the nation's meth epidemic - small children whose parents make and use the highly addictive drug.

The scars are inflicted in myriad ways: Exposure to the drug in the womb, contamination from toxic chemicals used in home-based meth manufacture, explosions and fires, long-term neglect from parents obsessed with their drug habits, physical abuse and sexual abuse. Many of the meth-lab homes are filthy, often strewn with drug paraphernalia and pornography; meth-making chemicals have been found in diaper bags and toy chests.

I've been in homes where you'd find jars of meth oil in the refrigerator, but no milk, no bread for the kids, said Marvin Van Haaften, a former country sheriff who is now Iowa's drug policy coordinator.

The meth epidemic took root on the West Coast, and is now worsening in many big cities nationwide. But nowhere is its heartbreaking toll on young children more evident than in the towns and small cities of America's heartland - notably Iowa, Missouri, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kentucky and Indiana.

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[FairfieldLife] Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj
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Bhagavath Gita as Archaic Tamil: 8-1213- : The Essence of Yoga/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerThe recovery of the Tamil Basis of these two slokas and which also shows how deeply it is also SumeroTamil is not only of linguistic importance but also cultural. For in the recovery of the roots, we also retrieve the original meanings of words that have come to prevail with secondary meanings burying the primordial meanings in that process. We have seen how the important psychological terms like manam, aathmana , teekam have been generated and have provided very useful insights into the TRUTHS pertaining to these concepts. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerNow we shall take up the Meaning of Yoga as such also contained in the retrieved Tamil Basis. So for easy of reference let me reproduce the original and retrieved forms of these two important slokas/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

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/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger8-13/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggeroomithyeekaaksaram brahma vyaaharan maamanusmaran//x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggeryaa: pirayaati thyajan teeham sa yaati paramaam gatim// /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerMeaning: /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerAnyone who blocks off all the sensory channels and keeps the mind on the heart, raises the breath to the head and establishes his soul in yogic meditation, and keeps on reciting the Logos Om thinking of only Me, and in this if he leaves behind the body and travels further ( in the metaphysical realms) , he will attain the higher kind existence/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerThe recovered forms are as follows/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger8-12/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggersar-ra tuvaaraNi sam-yam-ya mana-u iruti niruttiya sam//x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger
/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggermuurtinee yaata-a aathimana pira-aaNam aastitu-oo ooka taaraNam///x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOm itu-ee eeka aksaram baramam vaay-a-karan maam unu-suvaran//x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger
/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerYaa parayaati ti-ejen ti-akam saan aati param aam katim///x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerThe Meaning is :/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerHaving disciplined all the senses (the orifices of the body) and keeping the mind on the heart , one must keep the soul firmly on whatever icon ( one fancies). Then the soul must be kept in the meditation of the celestial world so that it can be united with the starry heavens. One must recite the Logos Om, keeping the mind fixed to an Icon Form and thinking of Me as a Radiant Reality, meditate upon the sound ( of the mantra). Whoever travels thus in the metaphysical journey becoming forgetful of the body, will attain and become one who lives out the highest form of existence possible/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger>>>/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerYoga ThaaraNam/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger

/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerHere let us take the recovery of /x-tad-biggeryooka-thaaraNaamx-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger as the Tamil x-tad-bigger/x-tad-biggerooka taaraNamx-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger where the meanings are quite different. The Ta. ooka also exists as Ta. ooGku, to flourish but actually oo-ku , to rise up to higher reaches and which can be related Su. u or e where Su. u, uux-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger means the higher as ub-ba ( > Ta. uppar, umpar etc) . The x-tad-bigger/x-tad-biggerthaaraNamx-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger is Ta. taaraNam, tiraNam and which is related Su. ti-ra-na, the starry heavens. Su, dar-ra and Ta. taarakai may mean x-tad-bigger/x-tad-biggerspottedx-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger and where the x-tad-bigger/x-tad-biggerspotsx-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger in the sky are stars. But of course here it means the Heavenly World and not simply the sky filled with stars. 

Thus the basic intention in meditative practices is to REACH the starry heavens within the mind and which requires Opening Up the metaphysical eyes so that a darsana of such a world can be gained and the soul made to LIVE there continuously.

Now it may be possible that this requires intense mental concentration and for which purpose the control of the breathing processes become also important. Thus we have the emergence of TaaraNai as a kind of breathing as a secondary meaning and which we find in many of the treatises on Yoga.

The original meaning however is : meditative practices where the soul, the Aathmana, is freed from mundane and earthly and gets lodged 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga

2005-03-28 Thread Peter Sutphen

Which is what happened to Buddha. He looked around
late one evening, post party, and thought what is all
this sensory nonsense for? There must be something
more. And we all know the REST of the story, good day!
-Peter

--- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 When I was a kid, I used to go to an amusement park
 in Santa Monica 
 where you paid one price and could ride anything all
 day long, and I 
 would ride the roller coaster (not as stressful an
 experience as 
 modern roller coasters are because they could not
 engineer as much 
 stress into the ride back in the old days) many many
 times until I 
 got tired of it. 
 
 The Sat Yuga's saving grace (in terms of gaining
 enlightenment) is 
 that people live very long lives, on the order of
 250K years is 
 possible, so people get tired eventually riding the
 roller coaster 
 of the abundance of enjoyable things found in that
 Golden Age, and 
 want to transcend and gain enlightenment.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   The
   trouble with the 
   Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that
 people
   are less motivated 
   to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness
 which
   is all around in 
   the Kaliyuga.
  
  Reminds me of the following quote from Guru Dev:
  
  To be born a human is more fortunate than to be
 born
  a deva. Taking birth as a deva is considered
  comparable to taking birth as any other life form.
  Birth as a god is attained by those who perform
  certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with
  divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine
  pleasures. The minds of the devatas wander
 incessantly
  because of the abundance of enjoyable things in
 the
  heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform
  purushartha [actions consistent with the goals of
  human life and evolution]. For this reason, the
 human
  birth is considered superior, because here, by
 doing
  as much purushartha as possible, one can
 eventually
  become one with God. A human being is like a lump
 of
  pure gold, whereas gods are like pieces of fine
  jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their
  progression is complete, and they cannot be
 further
  improved. On the other hand, gold which has not
 yet
  been crafted by the jeweler is completely
 unrestricted
  in its potential. Hence the birth of a human being
 is
  said to be the very best birth for action. Having
  attained this birth, one should not act
 carelessly,
  but should conscientiously perform the best
  purushartha. Fulfilling one's own dharma while
 keeping
  faith in Paramatma is the greatest purushartha.
 Strive
  to become one with God in this lifetime. Have firm
  faith in the Vedas and shastras and keep the
 company
  of those wise people who also have faith in them.
 Only
  then will the purpose of your life be fulfilled.
  
  --- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible
 fool
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
  
Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story
 of
   the
sage who said spiritual progess was much, much
   faster
in kali yuga than in any other yuga. 


   
   *
   
   That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen --
 if
   Krishna only wanted 
   the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen.
 The
   trouble with the 
   Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that
 people
   are less motivated 
   to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness
 which
   is all around in 
   the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point
 where
   life is simply 
   unsustainable because of the vile behavior on
 earth,
   and MMY has 
   apparently announced that the breaking point has
   been reached, 
   regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers
 who
   manage to survive 
   the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain
 enlightenment.
   
   It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is
   easier for a camel 
   to go through the eye of a needle than for a
 rich
   man to enter the 
   kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are
   satisfying and fun 
   lack are less motivated to seek to unfold the
 inner
   light than those 
   with surroundings that are not satisfying. 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





Jyaprecise time of first breath...real useful.Looks 
like he's good at playing smoke and mirrors and you are sOOOooo easily taken 
in . -Thank you my shadow.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2005-03-28 Thread Peter Sutphen

In response to the article: Knowledge is different in
different states of consciousness. The dharma of one
state is not the dharma of another. If there's an
experiential/phenomenological ego, then you better
have a technique/teaching that works directly with the
ego to transcend the limitations of the ego. For
example, TM. You think the mantra. The problem with
these types of articles is that it can lead to people
with an ego doing absolutely nothing because they
conceptually understand there is no ego. But this is
not their direct experience. There's a confound of
experience and understanding which leads to adharmic
behavior and another loop around on the wheel of
samsara.
-Peter

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Governors Recertification Course Information - Just In

2005-03-28 Thread Peter Sutphen

Hey, Charlie Heath is a friend of mine from MIU. No
fucky you to him!
-Peter

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   From: George DeForest 
   To: FF Life 
   Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:21 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Governors
 Recertification Course Information - Just In
 
 
 
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   From: Charles Heath 
   To: Charles Heath 
   Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:45 PM
   Subject: FW: Governors Recertification Course
 Information - Just In
 
 
   Dear Governors,
 

 
   We want to provide you as much advanced notice as
 possible, even though some of the details are likely
 to be adjusted here and there.  We just now have the
 news:  The recertification refresher course for
 Governors is slated to begin on April 4.  It will be
 a 30-day course for most Governors.  A 15-day course
 is open to those who are on record with the A-Forms
 office as having instructed in the TM technique
 within the last 24 months.  The first graduation
 will take place on April 18th on the day of Raam
 Navami.  The course fee that has so far been
 discussed is $2,000 for the 15-day course and $4,000
 for the 30-day course.  It seems likely that the
 course will be held in Maharishi Vedic City or Avon
 Park but the finalized details will be announced
 officially very soon.  
 

 
   Along with this announcement comes the directive
 to stop all instruction in the TM program in the
 United States as of April 4.  Teaching will resume
 on April 19 with the newly graduated Governors and
 Raja designates.  
 

 
   Please let your friends who are Governors know of
 this if they aren't on our lists currently.  Visit
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[FairfieldLife] Rigpa Glimpse of the Day.

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe



  1. RE: Rigpa Glimpse of the Day
   From: Namdrol Tsepal [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:22:44 +0800
   From: Namdrol Tsepal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Rigpa Glimpse of the Day

Anyone looking honestly at life will see that we live in a constant state of
suspense and ambiguity. Our minds are perpetually shifting in and out of
confusion and clarity. If we could be confused all the time, that would at
least make for some kind of clarity. What is really baffling about life is
that sometimes, despite all our confusion, we can also be really wise!

This constant uncertainty may make everything seem bleak and almost
hopeless; but if you look more deeply at it, you will see that its very
nature creates gaps, spaces in which profound chances and opportunities
for transformation are continuously flowering-if, that is, they can be seen
and seized.


Sogyal Rinpoche
~~

When we die we leave everything behind, especially this body we have
cherished so much and relied upon so blindly and tried so hard to keep
alive. But our minds are no more dependable than our bodies. Just look at
your mind for a few minutes.

You will see that it is like a flea, constantly hopping to and fro. You will
see that thoughts arise without any reason, without any connection. Swept
along by the chaos of every moment, we are the victims of the fickleness of
our minds. If this is the only state of consciousness we are familiar with,
then to rely on our minds at the moment of death is an absurd gamble.


Sogyal Rinpoche

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?

2005-03-28 Thread Peter Sutphen

Perhaps this whole re-certification program is just to
shake off the remaining pups still holding onto MMY's
teat. Everyone's got the whole thing upsidedown. 
-Peter

--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 I've had a few years to get used to the fact that I 
 no longer have ties to the TM organization. Not 
 teaching in 13 years is a big part of it. Not being 
 able to afford courses is a big part. When, a few 
 years ago, Maharishi said his movement was only 
 for the wealthy, I figured I was laid off then. In
 2001
 I realized I had lost the emotional yearning to be 
 part of the TM world. Participating in Fairfield
 Life 
 has been a means to make sense of that emotional 
 transformation and continue my interest in self- 
 actualization.
 
 In short, the sacking is amusing, and as others 
 have pointed out, they'll be begging us to come 
 back and teach if the demand were to truly pick 
 up. (They want 2400 U.S. teachers and they have 
 550? That means they're 77% short of quota. Hell, 
 even the U.S. Army is doing better than that, isn't
 it?)
 
 How are you doing, Lupidus?
 
  - Patrick Gillam
 
 lupidus108 wrote:
  
  Just a question to you fellows.
   
  Since many of you are Initiators, and since most
 of you are not Rajas - 
  how do you react to the probable fact that all the
 rest of us who are 
  not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ?
  
  I must admit that this is a very strange time
 after 35 years, the best 
  of my youth, all of my dedication, time and
 finance - suddenly to be 
  cut off. 
  
  How do you react ?
  
  Sincerely yours, Lupidus
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





Meth is the most serious white people drug in 
America, it is the plague of whites just as crack is the plague of blacks. 
For common people to reach the news shows the tip of the iceberg. AM...Your next 
door neighbor who is doing superradiance with you and who inspired you by 
hopping so much could be uh, you know, takin a small bump now and again. And man 
the transcendence. After all Sarcostemia and all 
thatsniff...but...but...she's enlightened and all that. hey, maybe they need 
enlightened people in prison...some sort of karma working out...maybe they need 
enlightened people in comas and respiratorsdrugs are baddo do 
drugs.sniff

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Vaj 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:08 
  
  
  
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for 
  the Brahmasthan of America
  Wasn't "coherence" and superradiance from FF supposed to 
  prevent this kind of thing? Maybe the coherence stops at the town line? In any 
  event I'm sure we'll see this in the next "study". 
  sighKids 
  suffer from parents' meth addiction 
  By DAVID 
  CRARYAP National WriterOTTUMWA, Iowa (AP) -- Jittery babies, 
  mistreated toddlers, strung-out mothers: Cheryll Jones' pediatric nursing 
  practice is far from what it was when she started out 30 years ago - long 
  before methamphetamine invaded this riverside Corn Belt town. "If anybody told 
  me my primary caseload would be kids exposed to illicit drugs, I'd have said 
  they were crazy," said Jones, who now runs a local task force helping the most 
  helpless victims of the nation's meth epidemic - small children whose parents 
  make and use the highly addictive drug.The scars are inflicted in 
  myriad ways: Exposure to the drug in the womb, contamination from toxic 
  chemicals used in home-based meth manufacture, explosions and fires, long-term 
  neglect from parents obsessed with their drug habits, physical abuse and 
  sexual abuse. Many of the meth-lab homes are filthy, often strewn with drug 
  paraphernalia and pornography; meth-making chemicals have been found in diaper 
  bags and toy chests."I've been in homes where you'd find jars of meth 
  oil in the refrigerator, but no milk, no bread for the kids," said Marvin Van 
  Haaften, a former country sheriff who is now Iowa's drug policy 
  coordinator.The meth epidemic took root on the West Coast, and is now 
  worsening in many big cities nationwide. But nowhere is its heartbreaking toll 
  on young children more evident than in the towns and small cities of America's 
  heartland - notably Iowa, Missouri, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kentucky 
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  from their meth-abusing parents in recent years, placed with relatives or 
  shifted into already overloaded foster care systems. Scores have been injured, 
  a dozen or more killed; thousands have been born with traces of meth in their 
  bodies.Dr. Rizwan Shah, a pediatrician at Blank Children's Hospital in 
  Des Moines, encountered her first meth-exposed child in 1993 and has studied 
  more than 500 of them since, becoming a respected expert on the 
  phenomenon.She stresses that the prognosis for meth-exposed kids 
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  But what's beyond doubt, Shah says, is 
  that pregnant women using meth are harming their babies."The brain 
  gets hijacked by the drug," she said, describing patterns of overstimulation 
  and disrupted sleep cycles among infants, as well as hyperactivity and 
  attention-deficit disorder among meth-exposed school children.One 
  2-year-old boy Shah treats must be fed through a tube to his stomach because 
  meth exposure left him unable to swallow properly.The mothers Shah 
  meets often evoke meth's powerful lure - an initial burst of energy, a sudden 
  and welcome ability to lose weight."Some of these women are trying to 
  be good mothers," she added. "But when you're high on meth, you don't take of 
  yourself or your family. The older kids are parenting the younger ones and 
  also parenting the parent. They lose their 

Re: [FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

on 3/28/05 9:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In response to the article: Knowledge is different in
 different states of consciousness. The dharma of one
 state is not the dharma of another. If there's an
 experiential/phenomenological ego, then you better
 have a technique/teaching that works directly with the
 ego to transcend the limitations of the ego. For
 example, TM. You think the mantra. The problem with
 these types of articles is that it can lead to people
 with an ego doing absolutely nothing because they
 conceptually understand there is no ego. But this is
 not their direct experience. There's a confound of
 experience and understanding which leads to adharmic
 behavior and another loop around on the wheel of
 samsara.
 -Peter
 
I've been going back and forth with Shannon on this point. He keeps
insisting that the idea of different states of consciousness, the use of
techniques, etc., just keep the ego alive. I keep saying they're appropriate
at the stage most people are at.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America





on 3/28/05 9:51 AM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Worst and most bizarre experience of my life was dropping acid then snorting meth, in 1968. Nasty stuff. Even back then it was ruining peoples lives. Epidemic around here now.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves

2005-03-28 Thread mrfishey2001




By whatever method one deploys to raise one's awareness, the most 
obvious elements to tackle are issues of veracity. Many see adherence 
to truth as one of the fundamental pre-requisites for spiritual 
development. Surely, self-deception is a sign of low or selective 
awareness. 

Though self-deception seems to be a strength for those who resort to 
it, it will ever be an impediment to higher awareness.



Truthful... to a point. 

How does one adhere to something as malleable as truth? It being a 
pre-request for anything with the vagaries of enlightenment seems a 
riddle of the kind not found outside early Celtic mythology. 

An acquaintance who assisted Joseph Campbell recalls Campbell saying 
the ability to hold a secret as a good indication that one was ready 
for spiritual enlightenment. 

Yeats suggested be secret and exalt, for of all things known that is 
most difficult. 

AmericaÕs favorite bulldog Norman Mailer sees fact as concentrated 
opinion 

A strict Freudian might recommend additional therapy. 

There is a kind of self-centered blame necessary when assuming the 
need for truthfulness. As time passes I find those whoÕve held 
truthfulness in such high regard relegated to a state of unconscious 
passivity... and in the end following those extolling the virtues of 
tr





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[FairfieldLife] Original Veda

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj
Essensing the Vedism of Sambantar

The study of Sambantarx-tad-bigger/x-tad-biggers Patikam on CeGkaaddaGkudi, which mentions personal observations on the way the Vedas were used among the Tamils at that time (6x-tad-smallerth/x-tad-smaller-7x-tad-smallerth/x-tad-smaller cent AD) gives a picture of Vedism vastly different from the Vedocentric Brahmanism with its evil VarNasrama Dharma(VD) that seem to NOT to figure in the Vedas themselves. It appears that sometime later there were a group of Hindu-s who isolated Sanskrit language and Vedas and created VD and in which they placed themselves at the top and fooled the world by claiming that they were dwijas by virtue of birth alone and with that precipitating a cultural calamity that perhaps gave rise to the flourish of Jainism and Buddhism that were strongly opposed to VD. However in the Tamil country it appears the pristine conditions of Vedas and the way they were understood were retained only to fall in subsequent times and with which even the very ancient Vedism of the Tamils declined. 

The essences of this Patikam that allows us to recover this original uncorrupted Vedism can be seen as follows:


1.

The Vedism of Tamils was part of the general Agamism and which is the basic metaphysical insight that governs the ancient Nubian- Kemetian-Sumerian-Dravidian culture as exemplified by the pyramids and pyramidal temples. It is essentially a MOVEMENT, a metaphysical odyssey where the human soul TRAVELS and climbs up step by step towards the metaphysical peak and attain Moksa. In this and on way there can be various kinds scriptural and architectural productions but which are NOT absolutely authoritative. Such productions are what the soul has to study , understand them and pass over to something higher. Man should not allow himself to become fixated as it has happened within the deviant Vedic traditions - FIXATIONS to SK language and the Vedas where it is said only the Vedas contain the Brahmanjaanam that would dispel the Myttai, all the worldly knowledge. The whole of this Vedic-Vedantic tradition has brainwashed not only the bulk of Brahmans but also many others so that they cannot give any REASONS for their claims. Sambantar does not go along with it- for along with the Vedas he also places his own hymns as efficacious is purifying the soul , This understanding runs through the whole gamut of Dravidian scriptural tradition right from Sumerian times where hymn singing is part of the CLIMB towards the metaphysical heights and a process that will repeat itself continuously as is the case with the Tamil scriptural tradition where no single scripture has been held up as the Word of God and hence the Absolutely authoritative.

2,

This brings us to the essence of Agamism viz. understanding metaphysical excursions as belonging to Hermeneutic Sciences of the most fundamental kind. It is scientific in sense that what conditions the whole movement is TRUTH and every scriptural and architectural monument as embodiments of such truths discovered in the way. There asat-truths and sat-truths where while the asat-truths are embodied as Texts, scriptures or temple architecture and so forth, the Sat-Truth is trans-textual and enjoyed only in Deep Silence. People involved in such metaphysical enterprises were called AntaNar in the Tamil country and at the time of Sambantar and earlier; they were Cen Tamizar, chaste Tamils and not at all the Sanskriticized Brahmins who isolated themselves from the general public as special kind of individuals. They were not only naan maRaiyoor, well versed in the Vedas but also pan maRaiyoor, well versed in all the scriptures and hence OPEN to learn truths no matter from where it came . The Brahmin community with a separate identity should have been a later development quite antithetical to the earlier non-caste sense of AntaNar. This means not only the great CaGkam antaNars like Kapilar ParaNar and so forth but also the Buddhist logicians like Dharmakirti Dignata Dharmapala and so forth were chaste Tamils but perhaps antaNars in the sense of great scholars or philosophers

3. 

Now it also appears that VeeLvi and Veda Recital were PUBLIC events and which were celebrated as part of Temple rituals. The general public was NOT excluded from participation in these VeeLvi-s and Vedic recitations. This also means that perhaps Vedic studies were accessible to all who were keen on it and not at all hoarded as exclusive privileges of the Brahmins and higher castes as it is made out to be in the Dharma Sastras. The right to learn Vedas and be proficient in them was NOT a caste constituting identity among the Tamils in ancient times and hence when we note someone as a Vedists we cannot jump to the conclusion that he was a Brahmin in the current sense of the word. When any one can learn and be proficient in the Vedas, it is clear that no caste identities can be inferred. 

The VeeLvi as Temple -centered public ritual also shows that it is linked with 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves

2005-03-28 Thread crukstrom


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 A while back, Akasha and I kicked around 
 the topic of whether people who have deceived 
 themselves into believing bullshit are actually 
 liars, or if their belief in their position changes 
 the case. Well, yesterday the Boston Globe ran 
 a profile of evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers, 
 whose work addresses self-deception from the 
 point of view of its value in propagating genes. 
 So I thought this post might interest Akasha and 
 L B and maybe a few others.
 
 A sidebar worded the thesis this way:
 
 Whether it's convincing a predator that you're a leaf or fooling 
another bird into 
 raising your young, deceit is an evolutionary strategy with a long 
and innovative 
 history. But as evolution selects for better and better cheaters, 
it should also select 
 for better and better cheating detectors. For example, Trivers 
argues, humans 
 might have evolved to detect the sort of nervous tics that betray 
a lie. But there's a 
 counter-strategy: self-deception. If we don't know we're lying, 
then we won't act 
 like we're lying, and are more likely to get away with it.
 
 More, from the article:
 
 The book on deceit and self-deception that he's now starting 
grows out of a brief 
 but widely cited passage from his introduction to Dawkins's ''The 
Selfish Gene.'' If 
 deceit, he wrote, ''is fundamental to animal communication, then 
there must be 
 strong selection to spot deception and this ought, in turn, to 
select for a degree of 
 self-deception, rendering some facts and motives unconscious so as 
not to betray-
 by the subtle signs of self-knowledge-the deception being 
practiced.''


Well then, this hypothesis may be an explanation of the George W. 
Bush phenomena.


Rick Carlstrom










 Thus, the 
 idea that the brain evolved to produce ''ever more accurate images 
of the world 
 must be a very naive view of mental evolution.'' We've evolved, in 
other words, to 
 delude ourselves so as better to fool others-all in the service of 
the great game of 
 propagating our genes.
 
 Trivers speaks: ''It's a critical topic. How many pretenders to 
the throne have there 
 been? Marx had a theory of self-deception, Freud thought he had 
the topic 
 knocked. So there've been a lot of major-domos in there. None of 
that [expletive] 
 survived the test of time, so it's a huge opportunity.''
 
 The full article is The evolutionary revolutionary: In the 1970s, 
Robert Trivers 
 wrote a series of papers that transformed evolutionary biology. 
Then he all but 
 disappeared. Now he's back—and ready to rumble.
 
 By Drake Bennett  |  March 27, 2005
 
 http://tinyurl.com/457kj
 
  - Patrick Gillam





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good morning Off:
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:57 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
  Jyaprecise time of first breath...real useful.
 
 Exactly. Profoundly helpful.  For those who don't know their birth 
 time, it is a boon.
 
 And esp. if you have recourse to a Nadi Jyotishi who knows the 
system 
 based on precise time of birth.


Yes, but you forgot one crucial point: JYOTISH DOESN'T WORK .





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wasn't coherence and superradiance from FF supposed to prevent 
this 
 kind of thing? Maybe the coherence stops at the town line? In any 
event 
 I'm sure we'll see this in the next study. sigh
 
 Kids suffer from parents' meth addiction
 
.


Could be. This seems like the pits of kaliyug, and it is not just the 
midwest





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 11:29 AM, off_world_beings wrote:

 Yes, but you forgot one crucial point: JYOTISH DOESN'T WORK .

Never had that problem.

  Esp. re: Karveji. His observations were right on. But that's part and 
parcel of higher states of consciousness, no? Certainly MMY thinks so 
or he would not consult him.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves

2005-03-28 Thread crukstrom


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
(snip)

 Well then, this hypothesis may be an explanation of the George W. 
 Bush phenomena.
 
 
 Rick Carlstrom


(for any of you teachers out there, yes it should be phenomenon)  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


Interesting. More proof of the Borg-like assimilation of what is 
considered true knowledge by the Vedic culture. Just like Maharishi 
today, saying Lao Tzu's Tao te Ching is one of the books of the 
Vedic literature . Assimilation.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 from the Agamic psychology list.
 
 Bhagavath Gita as Archaic Tamil: 8-1213- :  The Essence of Yoga
 
 The recovery of the Tamil Basis of these two slokas and  which 
also 
 shows how deeply it is also SumeroTamil is not only of linguistic 
 importance but also cultural. For in the recovery of the roots, we 
also 
 retrieve the original meanings of words that have come to prevail 
with 
 secondary meanings burying the primordial meanings in that 
process. We 
 have seen how the important psychological terms like manam, 
aathmana , 
 teekam have been generated and have provided very useful insights 
into 
 the TRUTHS pertaining to these concepts.
 
 Now we shall take up the Meaning of Yoga as such also contained in 
the 
 retrieved Tamil Basis. So for easy of reference let me reproduce 
the 
 original and retrieved forms of these two important slokas
 
  
 
 8-12
 
 sarva thvaaraaNi samyamya manoo hruti niruthya ca/
 
 muurthn yaathaa-yaatmana:  piraaNa-maastitoo yooka-thaaraNaam//
 
 8-13
 
 oomithyeekaaksaram brahma vyaaharan maamanusmaran/
 
 yaa:  pirayaati thyajan teeham sa yaati paramaam  gatim//
 
 Meaning:
 
 Anyone who blocks off all the sensory channels and keeps the mind 
on 
 the heart,  raises the breath to the head and establishes his soul 
in 
 yogic meditation, and keeps on reciting the Logos Om thinking of 
only 
 Me,  and in this  if he leaves behind the body and travels further 
( in 
 the metaphysical realms)  , he will attain the higher kind 
existence
 
 The recovered forms are as follows
 
 8-12
 
 sar-ra tuvaaraNi sam-yam-ya mana-u iruti niruttiya sam/
 muurtinee yaata-a aathimana pira-aaNam aastitu-oo ooka taaraNam//
 
 Om itu-ee eeka aksaram baramam vaay-a-karan  maam unu-suvaran/
 Yaa parayaati ti-ejen ti-akam saan aati param aam katim//
 
 The Meaning is :
 
 Having disciplined all the senses (the orifices of the body) and 
 keeping the mind on the heart , one must keep the soul firmly on  
 whatever icon ( one fancies). Then the soul must be kept in the 
 meditation of the celestial world so that it can be united with 
the 
 starry  heavens. One must recite the Logos Om, keeping the mind 
fixed 
 to an Icon Form and  thinking of Me as a Radiant Reality, meditate 
upon 
 the sound ( of the mantra). Whoever travels thus in the 
metaphysical 
 journey becoming forgetful of the body,  will attain and become 
one who 
 lives out the highest form of existence possible
 
  
 
 Yoga ThaaraNam
 
 Here let us take the recovery of `yooka-thaaraNaam' as the 
Tamil ooka 
 taaraNam where the meanings are quite different. The Ta. ooka 
also 
 exists as Ta. ooGku, to flourish but actually oo-ku , to rise up 
to 
 higher reaches and which can be related Su. u or e where Su. u, 
uu' 
 means the higher as ub-ba (  Ta. uppar, umpar etc) . 
The `thaaraNam' 
 is Ta. taaraNam, tiraNam and which is related Su. ti-ra-na, the 
starry 
 heavens. Su, dar-ra and Ta. taarakai  may mean `spotted' and where 
the 
 `spots' in the sky are stars. But of course here it means the 
Heavenly 
 World and not simply the sky  filled with stars.
 
 Thus the basic intention in meditative practices is to REACH the 
starry 
 heavens within the mind and which requires Opening Up the 
metaphysical 
 eyes so that a darsana of such a world can be gained and the soul 
made 
 to LIVE there continuously.
 
 Now it may be possible that this requires intense mental 
concentration 
 and for which purpose the control of the breathing processes 
become 
 also important. Thus we have the emergence of  TaaraNai as a kind 
of 
 breathing  as a secondary meaning and which we find in many of the 
 treatises on Yoga.
 
 The original meaning however is : meditative practices where the 
soul, 
 the Aathmana, is freed from mundane and earthly and gets lodged in 
the 
 metaphysical realms of the gods
 
 Icon Thinking and Genuine Pilgrimage
 
 Now this makes the following more intelligible: muurtinee yaata-a 
 aathimana pira-aaNam aastitu-oo
 
 The Muurti is the Icon , a presentational  form of BEING that 
 illuminates the mind and not the `head' as interpreted  above. 
Even now 
 the word `muurtti' is used in the sense of Icon and where the root 
is 
 Su, muru and Ta. muru ; to brighten up, illuminate etc as in muru-
ka.  
 The phrase `muurttinee yaata-a' means whatever icon and which 
shows 
 that there was an OPENNES with regard to Icon Worship and 
 contemplation. B.G did not focus only on the meditation of VishNu 
to 
 the exclusion of other deities. There is recognition of the fact 
that 
 different individuals may feel attracted to different icons and 
that 
 all such icons are quite effective in their own way. Now what is 
 important is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread lurkernomore20002000


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
 It sounded to me like MMY was placating Bob Wynne. He doesn't like 
to say no
 to people directly. It's an Indian cultural thing. Say yes so as 
not to hurt
 their feelings (or make yourself uncomfortable) even though you 
have no
 intention of doing the thing. Bob took him at his word and 
published the
 conversation. I've gotten the impression all along that the pundit 
thing
 here was the result of Bob badgering MMY on the idea, and that the 
latter
 was never overly enthused about it.

Poor Bob.  He must still carry some remnant of that notion that it 
is important to maintain credibility with people.  I guess he will 
just have to improve on his obfuscation skills (sp) instead.

lurk





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves

2005-03-28 Thread Patrick Gillam


Drake Bennett on the work of Robert Trivers:

  self-deception. If we don't know we're lying, 
  then we won't act like we're lying, and are more 
  likely to get away with it.

Rick Carlstrom wrote:
 
 Well then, this hypothesis may be an explanation 
 of the George W. Bush phenomena.

Yes, the GWB phenomenon was what sparked my 
original exchange with Akasha. It's fascinating to 
see it at work in politics.

However, I certainly don't think self-deception is 
limited to politicians. It appears to be very relevant 
in the TMO, for instance. And then we get into the 
whole how do I know what I know? epistemological 
go-round that has engaged so much of my time at 
Fairfield Life.

Self-deception is an interesting topic as it relates to 
ideologies. But some people apply it to the larger 
subject of enlightenment as a whole.

Dana Sawyer, who doesn't post here directly but is heard from via Rick Archer, 
believes that people who say they're enlightened are simply deceiving 
themselves. 
As evidence for this position, he cites the utter disagreement about what 
enlightenment is like from culture to culture. One would think that 
enlightenment, 
an ultimate state of self-evident reality, would be described in similar ways 
across 
histories and cultures. But no, says Sawyer: all the accounts seem to echo what 
the 
culture says they *should* sound like, and those accounts often take polar 
opposite 
positions. (The Hindus describe it as fullness, for instance, but the Buddhists 
describe it as emptiness.)

I'm not saying I agree with Dana, and I suppose it's a cheap shot to post his 
notions 
here without a knowledgeable explanation and defense. I'm merely pointing out 
that the topic of self-deception may interest some of the philosophers around 
here, 
and Robert Trivers throws another log on the fire.

 - Patrick Gillam





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga

2005-03-28 Thread lurkernomore20002000


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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 Which is what happened to Buddha. He looked around
 late one evening, post party, and thought what is all
 this sensory nonsense for? There must be something
 more. And we all know the REST of the story, good day!
 -Peter

I hope Bert  Christina pick up on this.  Weave in a little ego talk 
and you got it made.

lurk

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


I think thats it. And no worries. Everyone will get to take ther 
refresher course if the thing works and initiations actually go up.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Perhaps this whole re-certification program is just to
 shake off the remaining pups still holding onto MMY's
 teat. Everyone's got the whole thing upsidedown. 
 -Peter
 
 --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  I've had a few years to get used to the fact that I 
  no longer have ties to the TM organization. Not 
  teaching in 13 years is a big part of it. Not being 
  able to afford courses is a big part. When, a few 
  years ago, Maharishi said his movement was only 
  for the wealthy, I figured I was laid off then. In
  2001
  I realized I had lost the emotional yearning to be 
  part of the TM world. Participating in Fairfield
  Life 
  has been a means to make sense of that emotional 
  transformation and continue my interest in self- 
  actualization.
  
  In short, the sacking is amusing, and as others 
  have pointed out, they'll be begging us to come 
  back and teach if the demand were to truly pick 
  up. (They want 2400 U.S. teachers and they have 
  550? That means they're 77% short of quota. Hell, 
  even the U.S. Army is doing better than that, isn't
  it?)
  
  How are you doing, Lupidus?
  
   - Patrick Gillam
  
  lupidus108 wrote:
   
   Just a question to you fellows.

   Since many of you are Initiators, and since most
  of you are not Rajas - 
   how do you react to the probable fact that all the
  rest of us who are 
   not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ?
   
   I must admit that this is a very strange time
  after 35 years, the best 
   of my youth, all of my dedication, time and
  finance - suddenly to be 
   cut off. 
   
   How do you react ?
   
   Sincerely yours, Lupidus
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


Geeze. Now its coming out. No wonder you lost the plot. Maybe this 
whole board is a haven for ex druggiesexcept for me. No wonder 
half the posts are loony.


 Worst and most bizarre experience of my life was dropping acid then 
snorting
 meth, in 1968. Nasty stuff. Even back then it was ruining people¹s 
lives.
 Epidemic around here now.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Death

2005-03-28 Thread lurkernomore20002000


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Yesterday commemorated my father death. I was there at North 
Hollywood High Schoool jogging the track with him. Then we were 
climbing the fence to return home when he fell off. He died pretty 
quickly. To me, looking in his eyes he was just gone. And then in 
the coming weeks it felt like he had never been. He was erased from 
my mental sphere as far as presence.  I therefore have this one 
nagging doubt in my mind about all our hocus pocus called religious 
experience that if I could figure out I would have faith but without 
it which leaves me bereft of true hope in all man's concocted 
thought, and that doubt is this, will I die, and when I die will I 
die completely like it seems my father did. 
 
Sounds like having your own child might be good therapy for you.  Of 
course, I might recommend resolving some of the issues that could 
disrupt the stability of family life.  Otherwise, just say no to 
perpetuating dysfuctionality.

lurk





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj

On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote:

I also have had similar experiences regarding the desire to cry that
dissolves, especially when I have good strong experiences after
my Sidha/TM practice.

this also brings me to experience a desire to nullify the whole
existence and be in a cave mode as you described below.
It dose looks like a loop experience that I always thought
as my own unstressing.
You see more to it and it rings as truth, I'm not sure I fully 
understand 
the connections you make to lokas (what is it?) or more important
what one needs to learn from it and how not to be stuck in ones 
own movie that repeats itself.

( I practice TM and Sidhis many years but didn't learn
the philosophy behind it or behind the experiences, everything in
TMO seems to be just unstressing... ;0 )

I had this on my office computer; sorry for the delay:

This illusory sundering of the continuum of plenitude that is the single nature of all entities is a function of the delusory valuation-absolutization of thought. This delusory valuation or absolutizationwhich is inherent to avidya or marigpais the result of an activity of the organism that endows the contents of thought with illusory value and illusory truth and importance: a vibratory activity that seems to emanate from, or to be concentrated in, the center of the chest at the level of the heart, charges our thoughts with apparent value, truth and importance, even though in themselves these have neither value nor nonvalue, neither truth nor nontruth, neither importance nor nonimportance. Later on we will see that the inner Tantras, and in particular the Atiyoga, divides thoughts into three main types: coarse or discursive, subtle or intuitive, and super-subtle. Our feeling of lack results from the delusory valuation or absolutization of the super-subtle thought-structure known as the threefold projection, which consists in the conception that there is an experience (or action, etc.), an experiencer (or agent, etc.) and something experienced (or acted on, etc.), and which involves a directional structuring of experience. When the threefold projection is delusorily valued / absolutized, the illusory, delusive subject-object dichotomy arises, veiling the indivisibility of the Base or zhi as the latter seems to suffer a cleavage and therefore totality seems to be disrupted, and thus giving rise to the subjects feeling of lack-of-completeness, which is the core of duhkhathat is, of the First Noble Truth. In fact, once there arises the illusory mental subject that experiences itself as intrinsically separate from the rest of the continuum that the single nature of all entities is, that subject experiences the lack of the plentitude and completeness that characterizes this continuum.
Though the teachings distinguish between the mind (Skt., chitta; Tib., sem), which is defined as consciousness or awareness of a form, and a series of mental factors or mental events (Skt., chaitasika; Tib., semjung) involved in the cognition of that form, both are indivisible aspects of the cognitive apparatus of deluded beings. In regard to the former, the Abhidharmakosha declares, consciousness is a selecting awareness, and also, perception (involves) a process of singling out. This refers to the occurrences that take place immediately after consciousness comes to experience itself as separate from the rest of the continuum that the single nature of all entities is: upon facing the continuum of what appears as object, another apparent split takes place in our experience, whereby the continuum of what appears as object is divided into figure and ground. Our attention circumscribes itself to one segment of the sensory field that we find interesting among those that conserve their configuration and that we are used to associate with one of our concepts, singling it out as figure and taking it as object, and leaves the rest of the field sunk in a penumbra of consciousness, so that it becomes background. It is at this stage that the mental factor or mental event called recognition enters into play, causing us to understand the segment that was singled out in terms of the corresponding concept. (The tendency to single out, within the ever-changing totality of sense-data, segments of this totality that maintain a certain continuity of pattern, is the function of a pre-conceptual interest, which is the precondition for the subsequent application of the concepts that will take part in the recognition of objects. Hence, it is clear that perception is an active process driven by impulses and concepts in our own psyche rather than consisting in the passive reception of data [as both Aristotle and Lenin, among other Western thinkers, wrongly believed].)
Though the continuum of what appears as object was split by our own mental functions, we are under the illusion that this split is inherent to a given reality that we take to be self-existent and objective, and thus we think that the figure 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Death

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


 I therefore have this one nagging doubt in my mind about all our 
hocus pocus called religious experience that if I could figure out I 
would have faith but without it which leaves me bereft of true hope in 
all man's concocted thought, and that doubt is this, will I die, and 
when I die will I die completely like it seems my father did. 
 

Does it matter? I am sure your father would say love Life, forget 
death.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 11:29 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
  Yes, but you forgot one crucial point: JYOTISH DOESN'T WORK .
 
 Never had that problem.
 
   Esp. re: Karveji. His observations were right on. But that's 
part and 
 parcel of higher states of consciousness, no? Certainly MMY 
thinks so 
 or he would not consult him.

Yep, and a million people will testify in the same way to the woman 
at the fairgrounds with her crystal ball and numerous online and TV 
psychics.

It appears that you take Maharishi's actions in this regard as to be 
important and indicative of his deep perception. Just because 
Maharishi asks him, doesn't convince me of the efficacy of Jyotish.
I don't think much of Jyotish, like a few things Maharishi does, but 
I keep my mind open to being changed on the topic. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 12:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
  It appears that you take Maharishi's actions in this regard as to 
be
  important and indicative of his deep perception.
 
 I actually thought you would. From my perspective MMY takes what is 
 useful and exploits it: e.g. having Balraj give him these precious 
 formulations if he promised not to use them for monetary gain--and 
then 
 he turns around and creates a multi-million dollar line of the most 
 expensive Ayurvedic meds on the planet.


Now THAT is smart.
Consulting a crystal ball about your future? Na.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

on 3/28/05 10:59 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Geeze. Now its coming out. No wonder you lost the plot. Maybe this
 whole board is a haven for ex druggiesexcept for me. No wonder
 half the posts are loony.
 
I've never hidden the fact that I did drugs for about a year 38 years ago.
Many in my generation did. 1967 - Summer of Love. Sex, drugs, Rock 'n Roll





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

on 3/28/05 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 12:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
 It appears that you take Maharishi's actions in this regard as to be
 important and indicative of his deep perception.
 
 I actually thought you would. From my perspective MMY takes what is
 useful and exploits it: e.g. having Balraj give him these precious
 formulations if he promised not to use them for monetary gain--and then
 he turns around and creates a multi-million dollar line of the most
 expensive Ayurvedic meds on the planet.
 
You keep dropping these interesting tidbits. How do you know Balraj made him
promise that?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Death

2005-03-28 Thread anonymousff


Joe,
Even tough death is not the right word for it but rather
dropping the body or moving own whatever term we use
the pain and hurt is still there and it only brings little 
consolation.

The best thing, imo, is to find supporting friends 
or even professional good listener
and talk and talk about it  :) and talk and ...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Yesterday commemorated my father death. I was there at North 
Hollywood High Schoool jogging the track with him. Then we were 
climbing the fence to return home when he fell off. He died pretty 
quickly. To me, looking in his eyes he was just gone. And then in the 
coming weeks it felt like he had never been. He was erased from my 
mental sphere as far as presence.  I therefore have this one nagging 
doubt in my mind about all our hocus pocus called religious 
experience that if I could figure out I would have faith but without 
it which leaves me bereft of true hope in all man's concocted 
thought, and that doubt is this, will I die, and when I die will I 
die completely like it seems my father did. 
 
 ...(Of course his memory lives on in me and perhaps his genes. He 
was a chef/restauranteur and I had never figured I would do that when 
I was going to law school but when I flunked out it was the only 
thing to do.)...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 You keep dropping these interesting tidbits. How do you know Balraj 
 made him
 promise that?

Honestly, I figured it was old news.

How did I know? Balraj takes his own students.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

on 3/28/05 11:53 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
 You keep dropping these interesting tidbits. How do you know Balraj
 made him
 promise that?
 
 Honestly, I figured it was old news.
 
 How did I know? Balraj takes his own students.

So you were a student of his? He was way cool. I saw him in Maharishi Nagar
and he had a wonderful vibe about him.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread George DeForest





superradiance has neverprevented crime in 
iowa,
(altho iowa already had less crime than most other 
places). early on, MMY attributed this 
apparent exception to the rule due to his theory 
of
the "washing machine effect" - which is that 
since
Fairfield is taking on the karma of the whole 
USA,
it must have the National 1% number, which is
1600 flying together. When the numbers were up,
the studies were done to "prove" the theory, 
but
the numbers flying has been insufficient 
for years now. 500 flying pandits would strengthen the situation 
alot.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Vaj 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:08 
AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for 
  the Brahmasthan of America
  
  Wasn't "coherence" and superradiance from FF supposed to prevent this 
  kind of thing? Maybe the coherence stops at the town line? In any event I'm 
  sure we'll see this in the next "study". sighKids 
  suffer from parents' meth addiction 
  By DAVID 
  CRARYAP National WriterOTTUMWA, Iowa (AP) -- Jittery babies, 
  mistreated toddlers, strung-out mothers: Cheryll Jones' pediatric nursing 
  practice is far from what it was when she started out 30 years ago - long 
  before methamphetamine invaded this riverside Corn Belt town. "If anybody told 
  me my primary caseload would be kids exposed to illicit drugs, I'd have said 
  they were crazy," said Jones, who now runs a local task force helping the most 
  helpless victims of the nation's meth epidemic - small children whose parents 
  make and use the highly addictive drug.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread peterklutz


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
  It sounded to me like MMY was placating Bob Wynne. He doesn't like 
 to say no
  to people directly. It's an Indian cultural thing. Say yes so as 
 not to hurt
  their feelings (or make yourself uncomfortable) even though you 
 have no
  intention of doing the thing. Bob took him at his word and 
 published the
  conversation. I've gotten the impression all along that the pundit 
 thing
  here was the result of Bob badgering MMY on the idea, and that the 
 latter
  was never overly enthused about it.
 
 Poor Bob.  He must still carry some remnant of that notion that it 
 is important to maintain credibility with people.  I guess he will 
 just have to improve on his obfuscation skills (sp) instead.
 
 lurk

What makes you think you and others on this list knows more about
MMY's response then that guy that actually communicated with him..?

If I lived in Vedic City I'd be very pleased to have a mayor like Bob
- someone who knowingly fights against the oods just because it's the
right thing to do.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread peterklutz


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
merciful snip
 I don't think much of Jyotish, like a few things Maharishi does, but 
 I keep my mind open to being changed on the topic.

Have you ever had a Maharishi Jyotish made for yourself? Have you
tried any other MMY thing? 

In fact, and come to think of it, when was the last time you meditated..?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread gullible fool


Oh, that's rich.

--- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 superradiance has never prevented crime in iowa,
 (altho iowa already had less crime than most other
 places). early on, MMY attributed this apparent
 exception to the rule due to his theory of
 the washing machine effect - which is that since
 Fairfield is taking on the karma of the whole USA,
 it must have the National 1% number, which is
 1600 flying together. When the numbers were up,
 the studies were done to prove the theory, but 
 the numbers flying has been insufficient for years
 now. 500 flying pandits would strengthen the
 situation alot.
 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

on 3/28/05 12:39 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If I lived in Vedic City I'd be very pleased to have a mayor like Bob
 - someone who knowingly fights against the oods just because it's the
 right thing to do.
 
I agree. I think Bob's done an amazing job organizing this. Every
spiritual person in FF, regardless of their relationship to the TMO, wants
this to happen. But people are understandably skeptical that it will.





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[FairfieldLife] Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread sadhak108


Namaste'

The following passage notes the position of the constellations for the end of 
Kali Yuga and 
the many characteristic's of such.

And then when the Sun, the Moon, and Brihaspati will, with 
the constellation Pushya, enter the same sign, the Krita age will begin again

[Note:ÊÊ Pushya is the eighth lunar asterism consisting of three stars, of 
which one is the 
Cancer. (Vide WilsonÕs Dict.)]

Is there anyone here who can calculate when this occurs?

Does anyone truly believe it is on Guru Purnima this year?

The link below contains a greater exposition of how bad it actually gets.

Funny how the TMO'ers refer to Sat Yuga when throughout Puranic literature 
Krita Yuga is 
always the name.

http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaliyuga.htm

From The Mahabharata
Vana Parva, Section CLXXXIX
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli

Men will again be created and distributed into 
the four orders beginning with Brahmanas.


And when those terrible times will be over, the creation will begin anew, and 
men will 
again be created and distributed into the four orders beginning with Brahmanas. 
And 
about that time, in order that men may increase, Providence, according to its 
pleasure, will 
once more become propitious. And then when the Sun, the Moon, and Brihaspati 
will, with 
the constellation Pushya, enter the same sign, the Krita age will begin again.


[Note:ÊÊ Pushya is the eighth lunar asterism consisting of three stars, of 
which one is the 
Cancer. (Vide WilsonÕs Dict.)]


And commissioned by Time, a Brahmana 
of the name of Kalki will take his birth.
And he will restore order and peace in this world


Jai Jai Guru Deva!!!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer

on 3/28/05 1:07 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/28/05 12:39 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 If I lived in Vedic City I'd be very pleased to have a mayor like Bob
 - someone who knowingly fights against the oods just because it's the
 right thing to do.
 
 I agree. I think Bob's done an amazing job organizing this. Every
 spiritual person in FF, regardless of their relationship to the
 TMO, wants
 this to happen. But people are understandably skeptical that it will.
 
 ..which is why people need to keep their spirits high and try even
 harder. 
 
Try even harder to what? Give more money? That's the only thing people have
been asked to do, besides help prepare the housing for immanent occupation.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread akasha_108


Well, Jupiter, Sun and Moon are in Pushya every 27 years, so what is
so special about the next time that happens? Are you suggesting that
the the Krita age starts every 27 years? What is the big deal about
such an age?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Namaste'
 
 The following passage notes the position of the constellations for
the end of Kali Yuga and 
 the many characteristic's of such.
 
 And then when the Sun, the Moon, and Brihaspati will, with 
 the constellation Pushya, enter the same sign, the Krita age will
begin again
 
 [Note:ÊÊ Pushya is the eighth lunar asterism consisting of three
stars, of which one is the 
 Cancer. (Vide WilsonÕs Dict.)]
 
 Is there anyone here who can calculate when this occurs?
 
 Does anyone truly believe it is on Guru Purnima this year?
 
 The link below contains a greater exposition of how bad it actually
gets.
 
 Funny how the TMO'ers refer to Sat Yuga when throughout Puranic
literature Krita Yuga is 
 always the name.
 
 http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaliyuga.htm
 
 From The Mahabharata
 Vana Parva, Section CLXXXIX
 Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
 
 Men will again be created and distributed into 
 the four orders beginning with Brahmanas.
 
 
 And when those terrible times will be over, the creation will begin
anew, and men will 
 again be created and distributed into the four orders beginning with
Brahmanas. And 
 about that time, in order that men may increase, Providence,
according to its pleasure, will 
 once more become propitious. And then when the Sun, the Moon, and
Brihaspati will, with 
 the constellation Pushya, enter the same sign, the Krita age will
begin again.
 
 
 [Note:ÊÊ Pushya is the eighth lunar asterism consisting of three
stars, of which one is the 
 Cancer. (Vide WilsonÕs Dict.)]
 
 
 And commissioned by Time, a Brahmana 
 of the name of Kalki will take his birth.
 And he will restore order and peace in this world
 
 
 Jai Jai Guru Deva!!!





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[FairfieldLife] Ayurvedic Daily food intake

2005-03-28 Thread HENRY ALZAMORA





Hi ti all of you
I´d like you to help me to plan a dietary plan for me to build a ayurveda diet program depending on doshas and of course of the season of the year. I want to know how can i do it, the ingredients, species, vegetables, foods in general that can improve my spiritual refinement on my body, iam looking forward to your answer. Or if you know any site or place where they can offer me a guide to do it or if there are any ayurvedic teacher here who can help me in this matter i´d thank you so much for that
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread akasha_108


Vaj, 

it appears we are interpreting this text differently.
First if this is referring to tha nakshatra Pushya, encompases the
same sign(s) year to year: Pushya is in 3.20-16.40 Cancer.

If the text literally means enter -- as in the same day  -- then this
a much rarer event than my adjacent post indicates. If it means
having entered as in all three are in pushya at same time, then it
happens every 54-108 years. 

I don't have my jyotish software up and running. Is your date based on
Moon, Sun, and Jupiter entering Puhsya on same day -- having all three
been in Punarvasu the prior day ?






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 1:57 PM, sadhak108 wrote:
 
  And then when the Sun, the Moon, and Brihaspati will, with
  the constellation Pushya, enter the same sign, the Krita age will 
  begin again
 
 
 8/15/2441





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread Peter Sutphen


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 And commissioned by Time, a Brahmana 
 of the name of Kalki will take his birth.
 And he will restore order and peace in this world 
 Jai Jai Guru Deva!!!

Hey, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is a Brahmin and a Vedic
pundit...is his nickname Kalki.MMY did call him
sweet poison?



 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Pics of Vedic city pundit project

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer
Click on each photo for a magnified view:

http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/index.html



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  Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:49:32 +0200
  
  
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
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  Dear Vedic Scholar Campus Donor,
  
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  months, we could then think of the Vedic Scholars coming to
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  And when Raja Wynne asked, for the sake of confirmation, if the plan
  for the Vedic campus continues to be as it has always been--a home
  for 500 Vedic Scholars--Maharishi confirmed, Yes, the plan is as it
  has always been.
  
  Specifically, Guru Purnima will come in two or three months, a time
  which Maharishi said will mark the beginning of the descent of /Sat
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  Especially:
  
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your continued support is vitally needed now.
 2. If you pledged to support the Vedic Scholars upon their
  arrival,
please be prepared to give that support as soon as we receive
  word
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  to
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 3. Finally, we need to immediately raise an additional $500,000
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America





on 3/28/05 3:06 PM, mark robert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. It would be virtually impossible to match the damage caused by a single-nights moderate dose of alcohol. 

I have a few of those too. Some not so moderate. But I lost interest in booze very quickly. I wanted to wake up, not dull out.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





Does it matter? I am sure your father would say love Life, forget 
death.No, you're right. And he was a good example. A very creative 
guy, football player, restauranteurand puppet maker. A craftsman. Yes, 
love life, and imbue it with excellence. MMM, HHMMM.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





Lao Tzu's Tao te Ching is one of the books of the Vedic literature 
. Assimilation.-wisdom. from a dzogchen perspective. leave well 
enough alone. grasping after world peace or world war is samsara and not 
enlightened. but cooking a small fish. that's very difficult. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] $4,000 per month as a full-time teacher of TM

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





4,000 bucks a month rocks peeps. Yeah Boi. 
What line do I stand in? Is there a credit union?

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  Subject: [FairfieldLife] $4,000 per month 
  as a full-time teacher of TM
  http://vedicamerica.org/The 
  Governor Recertification Course begins on Monday April 4th. Arrival and 
  Registration will be on April 3rd The Course for the Domain of Vedic 
  America will be held in Maharishi Vedic City This in-residence Course 
  will be 15 days in length for Governors who have initiated in the past two 
  years and 30 days in length for Governors who have not taught in the past 
  two years As mentioned before, the Course is only for Governors who will 
  be full-time teachers establishing and teaching in their appointed 
  Peace Palace cities The Course fee is $2,000 for the 15-day 
  Recertification Course and $4,000 for the 30-day Refresher and 
  Recertification Course Upon graduation, the recertified Governors will be 
  appointed by the Raja of their area and given the responsibility to 
  enlighten as many people as possible in their region through lectures, 
  initiations, follow-up, and establishing the Peace Palace in their 
  designated city Compensation will be $4,000 per month as a full-time 
  teacher of Transcendental Meditation. All teaching of Transcendental 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj

One things for sure--the sun is always in Pushya for the same time 
basically, every summer. It would have to occur in that time span. The 
sun enters Pushya every summer on the 19th or 20th of July.

-Vaj.

On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:15 PM, akasha_108 wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mar 28, 2005, at 3:04 PM, akasha_108 wrote:

 I don't have my jyotish software up and running. Is your date based 
 on
 Moon, Sun, and Jupiter entering Puhsya on same day -- having all 
 three
 been in Punarvasu the prior day ?

 No. I am trying to calculate it just with them in Pushya, near the
 trad. date of 2442 CE. Are you using Goravani? Are you using the
 calculator? I also have Parasara's Light, but not here.

 I use Goravani -- but don't have it currently loaded.

 I am curious how you are calculating it.

 I am just envisioning the cycles. Jupiter travels and then repeats
 the zodiac every 12 years. There are 27 Nakshatras. Thus Jupiter is on
 average in each Nakshatra for .444 years each 12 year cycle,  or for
 5.33 month. And thus Jupiter is in Pushya (cancer, 3.20 for 5.33 for
 5.33 months every 12 years.

 So lets imagine a time when Sun, Moon and Jupiter are all in pushya,
 with Jupiter and sun just entering it. 12 years later, Jupiter returns
 to the same spot in pushya and remains in pushya for 5.33 months.
 Being exactly 12 years later, the sun is in the same spot, and will be
 in pushya for 13 and 1/3 days. This is just less than 1/2 a lunar
 cycle of 28 days. That means that the moon will appear in Pushya
 almost every two cycles of Jupiter, when Jupiter and Sun are there
 together. But sometimes it will take three jupiter cycles for the moon
 to show up.

 Now lets refine it. Ok so the actual cycle of Jupiter is 11.86 years.
 So every 12 years, just as Sun enters pushya, jupiter will have moved
 a bit ahead of where it was last time, by 2% of one degree or so. And
 there are leap years. And Jupiter will go retrograde periodically.
 So while the pattern is fairly stable, and with the three grahas in
 pusya every 2-3 cycles of Jupiter (24-36 years) (more often every 2
 than 3), there will be some times when it takes 4, sometimes, rarely,
 it may only take one cycle.

 My original quick head calc was wrong -- saying it was low multipls of
 every 27 years. Its actually low multiples of every 12 years.

 But if  the text means entry into pushya on the same day, then as i
 said thats a much more rare event.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





Sounds like having your own child might be good therapy for 
you. Of course, I might recommend resolving some of the issues that 
could disrupt the stability of family life. Otherwise, just say no to 
perpetuating dysfuctionality.lurk---I would like to be 
humble and say, tha shit aint gonna happen. But alas the best and the worst of 
us are passed onto our kids. They got us sussed every time.We used to go out and 
make out overlooking the vista. They have petting parties. Just give it up right 
from the start man they got it covered. You give em the keys and let them buy 
the car. What they work for is what they get. That's all I have to teach 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:23 PM, peterklutz wrote:

 How so?

Look it up. It's consistent.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





But unlike so many others, you did it right 
;)

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  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:30 
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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New 
  Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
  on 3/28/05 10:59 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:  Geeze. Now its coming out. No wonder you lost the 
  plot. Maybe this whole board is a haven for ex druggiesexcept for 
  me. No wonder half the posts are loony. I've never hidden 
  the fact that I did drugs for about a year 38 years ago.Many in my 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





Dude, you're in the know. That is fucking 
(sorry Ken) great!

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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the 
  happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City
  On Mar 28, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Rick Archer 
  wrote: You keep dropping these interesting tidbits. How do you 
  know Balraj  made him promise that?Honestly, I figured 
  it was old news.How did I know? Balraj takes his own 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves

2005-03-28 Thread Bob Brigante


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  A while back, Akasha and I kicked around 
  the topic of whether people who have deceived 
  themselves into believing bullshit are actually 
  liars, or if their belief in their position changes 
  the case. 
 
 By whatever method one deploys to raise one's awareness, the most 
 obvious elements to tackle are issues of veracity. Many see 
adherence 
 to truth as one of the fundamental pre-requisites for spiritual 
 development. Surely, self-deception is a sign of low or selective 
 awareness. 
 
 Though self-deception seems to be a strength for those who resort 
to 
 it, it will ever be an impediment to higher awareness.

*

Although there may be prerequisites to spiritual development for 
those who have chosen a path reliant on intellect or emotion, (MMY 
lists 5 paths to God realization in his Science of Being and Art of 
Living, saying that TM is a mechanical technique) there are no 
prerequisites to spiritual development for one who has chosen the 
mechanical path to realization, TM -- which is why TM is so suitable 
for enlightening a world where nearly everybody is a lowlife unsuited 
for spiritual development by means of purity of intellect or emotion. 
In the practice of TM, one transcends limitation , which is where all 
falsity resides, and gains unlimited awareness, which is the truth 
about everybody's nature. Repetition of this mechanical process 
automatically leads to a stable state, Cosmic Consciousness, in which 
one never loses the truth of one's unlimited nature of bliss 
consciousness.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





The best thing, imo, is to find supporting friends or even 
professional "good listener"and talk and talk about it :) and talk and 
...-ok, so there i was, sitting on the dock , 
thinking.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread akasha_108


Another thing for sure are the lengths of the cycles of jupiter and
the moon so the three are in pushya every 24-36 years, with a few
ouliers in there. 

Go run the GJ transit window with advance set to 1 year and just click
a way and see for yourself. Its not magic, the grahas follow a regular
pattern.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One things for sure--the sun is always in Pushya for the same time 
 basically, every summer. It would have to occur in that time span. The 
 sun enters Pushya every summer on the 19th or 20th of July.
 
 -Vaj.
 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:15 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Mar 28, 2005, at 3:04 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
 
  I don't have my jyotish software up and running. Is your date based 
  on
  Moon, Sun, and Jupiter entering Puhsya on same day -- having all 
  three
  been in Punarvasu the prior day ?
 
  No. I am trying to calculate it just with them in Pushya, near the
  trad. date of 2442 CE. Are you using Goravani? Are you using the
  calculator? I also have Parasara's Light, but not here.
 
  I use Goravani -- but don't have it currently loaded.
 
  I am curious how you are calculating it.
 
  I am just envisioning the cycles. Jupiter travels and then repeats
  the zodiac every 12 years. There are 27 Nakshatras. Thus Jupiter is on
  average in each Nakshatra for .444 years each 12 year cycle,  or for
  5.33 month. And thus Jupiter is in Pushya (cancer, 3.20 for 5.33 for
  5.33 months every 12 years.
 
  So lets imagine a time when Sun, Moon and Jupiter are all in pushya,
  with Jupiter and sun just entering it. 12 years later, Jupiter returns
  to the same spot in pushya and remains in pushya for 5.33 months.
  Being exactly 12 years later, the sun is in the same spot, and will be
  in pushya for 13 and 1/3 days. This is just less than 1/2 a lunar
  cycle of 28 days. That means that the moon will appear in Pushya
  almost every two cycles of Jupiter, when Jupiter and Sun are there
  together. But sometimes it will take three jupiter cycles for the moon
  to show up.
 
  Now lets refine it. Ok so the actual cycle of Jupiter is 11.86 years.
  So every 12 years, just as Sun enters pushya, jupiter will have moved
  a bit ahead of where it was last time, by 2% of one degree or so. And
  there are leap years. And Jupiter will go retrograde periodically.
  So while the pattern is fairly stable, and with the three grahas in
  pusya every 2-3 cycles of Jupiter (24-36 years) (more often every 2
  than 3), there will be some times when it takes 4, sometimes, rarely,
  it may only take one cycle.
 
  My original quick head calc was wrong -- saying it was low multipls of
  every 27 years. Its actually low multiples of every 12 years.
 
  But if  the text means entry into pushya on the same day, then as i
  said thats a much more rare event.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Bob Brigante


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 3/28/05 12:39 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If I lived in Vedic City I'd be very pleased to have a mayor 
like Bob
   - someone who knowingly fights against the oods just because 
it's the
   right thing to do.
   
  I agree. I think Bob's done an amazing job organizing this. Every
  spiritual person in FF, regardless of their relationship to the
 TMO, wants
  this to happen. But people are understandably skeptical that it 
will.
 
 ..which is why people need to keep their spirits high and try even
 harder. 
 
 There is only one forward - and that's foward.. :-)

*

The thing is, if Wynne had tried to get a few visas for the pundits 
before building the trailer park, he would have found out that they 
could not get entry into the USA because they are too poor. Then 
maybe the millions raised could have been used to bring the pundits 
to Mexico or Canada, instead of having a collection of metal boxes in 
Vedic City which will probably sit unused for quite some time. I 
don't know if either country would have accepted them, but that could 
have been tried as an alternative that would at least still have 
pundits in North America (or close, in the case of Mexico).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurvedic Daily food intake

2005-03-28 Thread Bob Brigante


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, HENRY ALZAMORA 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi ti all of you
 
 I´d like you to help me to plan a dietary plan for me to build a 
ayurveda diet program depending on doshas and of course of the season 
of the year. I want to know how can i do it, the ingredients, 
species, vegetables, foods in general that can improve my spiritual 
refinement on my body, iam looking forward to your answer. Or if you 
know any site or place where they can offer me a guide to do it or if 
there are any ayurvedic teacher here who can help me in this matter 
i´d thank you so much for that
 
 My best regards and wishes
 
 Henry Alzamora M

 


I like Chopra's Perfect Health, which gives a lot of dosha specific 
diet advice -- you can get a used copy for as little as $1.66 from 
Amazon.com:

http://tinyurl.com/5abys

FWIW, I would get the oldest edition you can -- after he left the TM 
movement, I think a few screws fell out of his head...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
 merciful snip
  I don't think much of Jyotish, like a few things Maharishi does, 
but 
  I keep my mind open to being changed on the topic.
 
 Have you ever had a Maharishi Jyotish made for yourself? 


Huh? you lost me there bud. Whats the question?


 In fact, and come to think of it, when was the last time you 
meditated..?

This morning. I'm off to do another now. Why do you ask.?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurvedic Daily food intake

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, HENRY ALZAMORA 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi ti all of you
 
 I´d like you to help me to plan a dietary plan for me to build a 
ayurveda diet program depending on doshas and of course of the 
season of the year. I want to know how can i do it, the ingredients, 
species, vegetables, foods in general that can improve my spiritual 
refinement on my body, iam looking forward to your answer. Or if you 
know any site or place where they can offer me a guide to do it or 
if there are any ayurvedic teacher here who can help me in this 
matter i´d thank you so much for that
 
 My best regards and wishes
 
 Henry Alzamora M
 
 


Lots of fresh fruit. 4 day 'Home prep' 4 times a year if you can.
And don't take any advice from Rudra Joe on what to intake.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pics of Vedic city pundit project

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


Impressive. how many pundits does each unit hold?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Click on each photo for a magnified view:
 
 http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/index.html
 
 
   From: henk both [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: jaime benares [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: isn't this a nicer presentation?
   Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:49:32 +0200
   
   
 OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
 The Jefferson . Suite 314 . 1200 16th Street NW,
   Washington,
 DC 20036
   
   *Absolutely marvelous.*
   --Maharishi, on seeing the glorious brochure showcasing the 
newly
   completely
   campus for 500 Vedic Scholars in Maharishi Vedic City in 
December
   2005.
   
   http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/index.html
   http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/03.html
   http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/13.html
   
   Dear Vedic Scholar Campus Donor,
   
   When Raja Wynne asked a few months ago if the Vedic Scholars 
could
   join us in Maharishi Vedic City, Maharishi said we should wait 
until
   concerns of the parents in India lessened about the perils of
   international travel, especially to America.
   
   Now, today, we have some very exciting news to report: Raja 
Wynne
   was able to raise the question to Maharishi: Had the feelings
   changed sufficiently that we could begin to plan for the Vedic
   Scholars to come?
   
   Maharishi's response was extremely heartening. He said, Yagyas 
have
   now begun in India, and as sattwa grows over the next two to 
three
   months, we could then think of the Vedic Scholars coming to
   America.
   
   And when Raja Wynne asked, for the sake of confirmation, if the 
plan
   for the Vedic campus continues to be as it has always been--a 
home
   for 500 Vedic Scholars--Maharishi confirmed, Yes, the plan is 
as it
   has always been.
   
   Specifically, Guru Purnima will come in two or three months, a 
time
   which Maharishi said will mark the beginning of the descent 
of /Sat
   Yuga/--the age of positivity--and the end of /Kali Yuga/, the 
age of
   negativity. That means following the Guru Purnima celebrations 
may
   be the ideal time for the Vedic Scholars to come.
   
   We wanted to share this wonderful news and thank you again for 
your
   dedication to bringing the Vedic Scholars to Maharishi Vedic 
City.
   These 500 Vedic Scholars are only the beginning. Peace Palaces 
will
   soon be built throughout the country, and in every location 
there
   will be a large Celebration Ground for Vedic Scholars to perform
   Vedic recitations thee times a day. But the Vedic Scholar 
campus in
   Maharishi Vedic City will be the core from where the influence 
of
   sattwa will spread throughout America.
   
   Our team in Maharishi Vedic City has worked through the winter 
and
   now in the spring to complete every detail of the campus--final
   grading and seeding, fencing and porches, trees, flags and 
playing
   fields which are so important for the Vedic Scholars' enjoyment.
   
   Only one major facility on the Vedic Scholar campus still needs 
to
   be built: the kitchen. If we start immediately we can have the
   kitchen up and running by Guru Purnima--in time for the Vedic
   Scholars' arrival.
   
   We have done very well in building the campus economically and
   staying on budget. The total cost of the campus, including the
   kitchen, will be $4.5 million for over 100,000 square feet of 
space.
   This is only $9,000 per Vedic Scholar for everything each 
Scholar
   needs--housing, classrooms, dining, flying, study halls, playing
   fields, etc. The construction cost of dormitories alone at other
   universities is $70,000 per student.
   
   Fortunately, 50% of the cost of the campus is now paid. The 
rest has
   been bridge-financed through a short-term bond. We believe that 
once
   the campus is in use we will be able to refinance the bond with 
a
   traditional, long-term low-interest bank loan.
   
   To complete everything as planned, your support is very much 
needed!
   Especially:
   
  1. If you have been contributing regularly to the Pandit 
project,
 your continued support is vitally needed now.
  2. If you pledged to support the Vedic Scholars upon their
   arrival,
 please be prepared to give that support as soon as we 
receive
   word
 that they are coming. We will need a rapid influx of 
revenues
   to
 cover their airfare.
  3. Finally, we need to immediately raise an additional 
$500,000
   in
 donations to build the kitchen. (There is no bank 
financing
 available at this time.) It is obviously essential that 
we be
   able
 to feed the Vedic Scholars when they arrive!
   
   A new time is dawning in the world, and we thank you again for 
your
   great generosity. With your prompt attention and continued 
support,
   we can quickly complete the campus 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pics of Vedic city pundit project

2005-03-28 Thread Bob Brigante


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Impressive. how many pundits does each unit hold?
 

4 + 1 - 3 + 2 -4


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Click on each photo for a magnified view:
  
  http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/index.html
  
  
From: henk both [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: jaime benares [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: isn't this a nicer presentation?
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:49:32 +0200


  OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
  The Jefferson . Suite 314 . 1200 16th Street NW,
Washington,
  DC 20036

*Absolutely marvelous.*
--Maharishi, on seeing the glorious brochure showcasing the 
 newly
completely
campus for 500 Vedic Scholars in Maharishi Vedic City in 
 December
2005.

http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/index.html
http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/03.html
http://vedicscholars.globalcountryofworldpeace.org/13.html

Dear Vedic Scholar Campus Donor,

When Raja Wynne asked a few months ago if the Vedic Scholars 
 could
join us in Maharishi Vedic City, Maharishi said we should wait 
 until
concerns of the parents in India lessened about the perils of
international travel, especially to America.

Now, today, we have some very exciting news to report: Raja 
 Wynne
was able to raise the question to Maharishi: Had the feelings
changed sufficiently that we could begin to plan for the Vedic
Scholars to come?

Maharishi's response was extremely heartening. He 
said, Yagyas 
 have
now begun in India, and as sattwa grows over the next two to 
 three
months, we could then think of the Vedic Scholars coming to
America.

And when Raja Wynne asked, for the sake of confirmation, if 
the 
 plan
for the Vedic campus continues to be as it has always been--a 
 home
for 500 Vedic Scholars--Maharishi confirmed, Yes, the plan is 
 as it
has always been.

Specifically, Guru Purnima will come in two or three months, a 
 time
which Maharishi said will mark the beginning of the descent 
 of /Sat
Yuga/--the age of positivity--and the end of /Kali Yuga/, the 
 age of
negativity. That means following the Guru Purnima celebrations 
 may
be the ideal time for the Vedic Scholars to come.

We wanted to share this wonderful news and thank you again for 
 your
dedication to bringing the Vedic Scholars to Maharishi Vedic 
 City.
These 500 Vedic Scholars are only the beginning. Peace Palaces 
 will
soon be built throughout the country, and in every location 
 there
will be a large Celebration Ground for Vedic Scholars to 
perform
Vedic recitations thee times a day. But the Vedic Scholar 
 campus in
Maharishi Vedic City will be the core from where the influence 
 of
sattwa will spread throughout America.

Our team in Maharishi Vedic City has worked through the winter 
 and
now in the spring to complete every detail of the campus--final
grading and seeding, fencing and porches, trees, flags and 
 playing
fields which are so important for the Vedic Scholars' 
enjoyment.

Only one major facility on the Vedic Scholar campus still 
needs 
 to
be built: the kitchen. If we start immediately we can have the
kitchen up and running by Guru Purnima--in time for the Vedic
Scholars' arrival.

We have done very well in building the campus economically and
staying on budget. The total cost of the campus, including the
kitchen, will be $4.5 million for over 100,000 square feet of 
 space.
This is only $9,000 per Vedic Scholar for everything each 
 Scholar
needs--housing, classrooms, dining, flying, study halls, 
playing
fields, etc. The construction cost of dormitories alone at 
other
universities is $70,000 per student.

Fortunately, 50% of the cost of the campus is now paid. The 
 rest has
been bridge-financed through a short-term bond. We believe 
that 
 once
the campus is in use we will be able to refinance the bond 
with 
 a
traditional, long-term low-interest bank loan.

To complete everything as planned, your support is very much 
 needed!
Especially:

   1. If you have been contributing regularly to the Pandit 
 project,
  your continued support is vitally needed now.
   2. If you pledged to support the Vedic Scholars upon their
arrival,
  please be prepared to give that support as soon as we 
 receive
word
  that they are coming. We will need a rapid influx of 
 revenues
to
  cover their airfare.
   3. Finally, we need to immediately raise an additional 
 $500,000
in
  donations to build the kitchen. (There is no bank 
 financing
  available at this time.) It is obviously essential that 
 we 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread gullible fool

 
 -which half?

The true believer half. 

--- rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No wonder 
 half the posts are loony.
 
 
 
 -which half?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread off_world_beings


I also heard a Jyotoshi say that each Yug is broken up into 4 parts. 
The last quarter always has the possibility of becoming satvic 
version of the main quality of the Yug itself. Kaliyug he said is 
the materialist age. He said the last quarter of this Kaliyug had 
the potential to create a materialistic enlightenment. (which I took 
to mean non-polluting machines, purity of environment but with all 
the mod cons, enlightened behaviour of a space travelling 
enlightened race)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 anip
  
  Is there anyone here who can calculate when this occurs?
 
 I can relate what MMY said a few years back when someone pointed 
out
 the inconsistency between the alleged Age of Enlighetenment and 
what
 the TMO translation of the BG indicates, that some 428.000 years of
 Kali Yuga remain before Kalki and Sat Yuga.
 
 MMY's answer was that a bubble of Sat Yuga some ten thousand years
 long would be created in Kali yuga.
 
  
  Funny how the TMO'ers refer to Sat Yuga when throughout Puranic 
  literature Krita Yuga is always the name.
  
 
 How so?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil

2005-03-28 Thread Alex Stanley


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 but cooking a small fish. that's very difficult.

That's why I'm lazy and often use canned Alaskan salmon. Like today's
veggie salmon hash of julienned red beet and carrot, asparagus,
onion, and a can of salmon, flavored with grated fresh ginger,
garlic, salt to taste, and a splash of mirin, served over a bed of
romaine tossed with fresh lemon juice. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Nelson


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 3/28/05 12:04 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Hagelin may be deriving some sincerity from the wish expressed 
 that
   the yagyas being performed by the pundits in India will make it
   possible for the 500 pundits to somehow get permission to come to 
 the
   USA, but as it stands right now, the U.S. State Dept. has rejected
   1000 applicants from the pool of pundit
snip
++  It is a nice housing project(double wide city) and it could become
valuable as housing for the homeless when all the longtime, dedicated
people retire.  N.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] kicharee recipe

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj

from Vaidya Robert Svoboda

Khichadi - Split Mung Beans and Rice

This preparation, a common staple food for many Indians, is also a 
purifying, balancing diet suitable for almost everyone. It is ideal for 
those with poor digestion or assimilation because it is easy to digest 
and also assists in eliminating toxins from the system.


2 cups rice, preferably Indian basmati rice

1 cup split mung beans (called mung dal in Indian grocery stores) 8 
to 12 cups water, depending on how liquid you want the final product to 
be

2 Tbsp. ghee (clarified butter) 1 tsp. ground cumin

1 scant tsp. ground coriander seed 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. turmeric powder

3 to 5 whole cardamom pods

1 to 2 tsp. of powdered ginger pinch salt or powdered kelp

pinch asafoetida powder

If you are unable to locate an Indian grocery store you can substitute 
sprouted mung beans for the split variety. Wash off the green seed 
covers which split when the beans sprout. One part beans to two parts 
rice is the standard proportion. Those individuals with malfunctioning 
digestions may choose to reduce the proportion of beans to rice to 1:3, 
or even less. Those with stronger digestions may increase the 
proportion to 1:1 if they so desire.

Wash the beans and rice and soak them separately in an excess of water 
for at least an hour. Thereafter discard the soak water, mix the beans 
and rice together and rinse them with fresh water.

Heat gently 2 Tbsp. of ghee. While heating, add the cumin, coriander, 
turmeric and asafoetida. Saute these spices lightly in the ghee, until 
they are just browned but before they blacken, and add the mung beans 
and rice, stirring vigorously for about a minute so that some of the 
spices will be absorbed. Then add water, ginger, cardamom and salt or 
kelp, bring to a slow boil, cover, and cook until the individual grains 
are completely soft. Serve with yogurt for V types and extra ghee for P 
people. K individuals should use more spices and less water. This 
amount will serve five or six people.

  As the digestion improves the amount of spices may be increased, 
and onion, garlic, daikon radish and other rott vegetables may be added 
to the mixture before cooking begins.


On Mar 28, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Kenny H wrote:



 I am having some painful, physical problems and was advised to go on a 
 kicharee
 regime, to bring vata way down, for a couple of weeks to help out with 
 some bowel
 problems. I am looking for a basic kicharee recipe. There are numerous 
 variations on
 the net. Anyone here found a simple recipe they like and be willing to 
 share it?
 Thanks!!
 Ken

 p.s. RudraJoe, sorry, no lobster, dark chocolate sauce and cabernet 
 with my
 kicharee.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] kicharee recipe

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj

 2 cups rice, preferably Indian basmati rice

BTW, now that basmati rice can be gotten from sources other than India, 
these may be a better bet (Texmati rice is an example). The reason is 
that there is so much DDT damage and other environmental issues in 
India, a more regulated source is a better idea.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread akasha_108


Loading GJ, and calculating it exactly, Jupiter, Sun and Moon will all
be in Pushya next on:

July 26, 2014 2:50 am PST, to July 27, 4:50 am the next day. Ju 8'9,
Su 9'17.

The next time will be 24 years later: July 30, 20:38 to July 31,
21:50. Ju 16'07 Su 14'38

So its not a rare event. 

The last time this occurred is more than 36 years ago. The alignment
just misses for each of the last 12 year periods, which happens
occasionally, but should align not too far back from there.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Another thing for sure are the lengths of the cycles of jupiter and
 the moon so the three are in pushya every 24-36 years, with a few
 ouliers in there. 
 
 Go run the GJ transit window with advance set to 1 year and just click
 a way and see for yourself. Its not magic, the grahas follow a regular
 pattern.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  One things for sure--the sun is always in Pushya for the same time 
  basically, every summer. It would have to occur in that time span.
The 
  sun enters Pushya every summer on the 19th or 20th of July.
  
  -Vaj.
  
  On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:15 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On Mar 28, 2005, at 3:04 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
  
   I don't have my jyotish software up and running. Is your date
based 
   on
   Moon, Sun, and Jupiter entering Puhsya on same day -- having all 
   three
   been in Punarvasu the prior day ?
  
   No. I am trying to calculate it just with them in Pushya, near the
   trad. date of 2442 CE. Are you using Goravani? Are you using the
   calculator? I also have Parasara's Light, but not here.
  
   I use Goravani -- but don't have it currently loaded.
  
   I am curious how you are calculating it.
  
   I am just envisioning the cycles. Jupiter travels and then repeats
   the zodiac every 12 years. There are 27 Nakshatras. Thus Jupiter
is on
   average in each Nakshatra for .444 years each 12 year cycle,  or for
   5.33 month. And thus Jupiter is in Pushya (cancer, 3.20 for 5.33 for
   5.33 months every 12 years.
  
   So lets imagine a time when Sun, Moon and Jupiter are all in pushya,
   with Jupiter and sun just entering it. 12 years later, Jupiter
returns
   to the same spot in pushya and remains in pushya for 5.33 months.
   Being exactly 12 years later, the sun is in the same spot, and
will be
   in pushya for 13 and 1/3 days. This is just less than 1/2 a lunar
   cycle of 28 days. That means that the moon will appear in Pushya
   almost every two cycles of Jupiter, when Jupiter and Sun are there
   together. But sometimes it will take three jupiter cycles for
the moon
   to show up.
  
   Now lets refine it. Ok so the actual cycle of Jupiter is 11.86
years.
   So every 12 years, just as Sun enters pushya, jupiter will have
moved
   a bit ahead of where it was last time, by 2% of one degree or
so. And
   there are leap years. And Jupiter will go retrograde periodically.
   So while the pattern is fairly stable, and with the three grahas in
   pusya every 2-3 cycles of Jupiter (24-36 years) (more often every 2
   than 3), there will be some times when it takes 4, sometimes,
rarely,
   it may only take one cycle.
  
   My original quick head calc was wrong -- saying it was low
multipls of
   every 27 years. Its actually low multiples of every 12 years.
  
   But if  the text means entry into pushya on the same day, then as i
   said thats a much more rare event.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil

2005-03-28 Thread akasha_108


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  but cooking a small fish. that's very difficult.
 
 That's why I'm lazy and often use canned Alaskan salmon. Like today's
 veggie salmon hash of julienned red beet and carrot, asparagus,
 onion, and a can of salmon, flavored with grated fresh ginger,
 garlic, salt to taste, and a splash of mirin, served over a bed of
 romaine tossed with fresh lemon juice. 
 
 Alex

Just curious, are you eating salmon for the Omega-3's? If so, farmed
salmon, aka atlantic salmon, which is mostly what you get in stores,
meat counters, restaurants and canned, has very low levels of omega-3's. 

Its cold-water wild salmon (often aka alaskan salmon) that has the
high levels. Its a funcion of the particular variety of alage thet is
available to wild salmon, and water temp. 

Why don't the farmers just feed the farmed salmon that kind of alage?
Its hard to maintain in farm environment. 









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil

2005-03-28 Thread Vaj


On Mar 28, 2005, at 7:51 PM, akasha_108 wrote:

 Just curious, are you eating salmon for the Omega-3's? If so, farmed
 salmon, aka atlantic salmon, which is mostly what you get in stores,
 meat counters, restaurants and canned, has very low levels of 
 omega-3's.

Indeed...and what most people don't realize is that farm raised Salmon 
is actually an ugly grayish color. They add coloring to make it look 
salmon pink.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





So you were a student of his? He was way cool. I saw him in 
Maharishi Nagarand he had a wonderful vibe about him.-I 
saw him and Dwivedi when that dipshit and uncreative pundit Deepak came with 
them at the start of the Rasayana thing at MIU. I didn't get much from them but 
then again I was sitting in Purusha. th


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas..End of Kali..Start of Krita Yuga.. Jyotishis calculate??

2005-03-28 Thread at_man_and_brahman


As I said some days back, there are
natural yuga cycles and then there
are artificial yugas that can be 
overlaid upon them through
yagya.

Regarding the natural cycles,
Yukteswar set out a powerful
reckoning related to equinoctial
precession in his book The Holy
Science.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 anip
  
  Is there anyone here who can calculate when this occurs?
 
 I can relate what MMY said a few years back when someone pointed out
 the inconsistency between the alleged Age of Enlighetenment and what
 the TMO translation of the BG indicates, that some 428.000 years of
 Kali Yuga remain before Kalki and Sat Yuga.
 
 MMY's answer was that a bubble of Sat Yuga some ten thousand years
 long would be created in Kali yuga.
 
  
  Funny how the TMO'ers refer to Sat Yuga when throughout Puranic 
  literature Krita Yuga is always the name.
  
 
 How so?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: $4,000 per month as a full-time teacher of TM

2005-03-28 Thread at_man_and_brahman


There's a precedent for this in the MVU
Directors some years back, also a salaried
position that fizzled eventually. The
directors had to endure an insane agenda
of daily reports on countless things to
various offices that had conflicting 
requirements. The salary became more
and more tied to successful completion
of all these impossible dictums. 

It was, in the end, nightmarish. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/28/05 4:27 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  4,000 bucks a month rocks peeps.  Yeah Boi. What line do I stand in? Is 
  there
  a credit union?
   
 The question is, will it be paid consistently, or will they say, in a month
 or two, that payment is contingent upon doing X number of initiations or
 something? Not an unreasonable demand, but will the initiations happen?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





What is really upsetting to me is when the TMO was first "bringing out 
the knowledge of Ayurved", one of the carrots was that you could go into 
poor areas, relieve suffering and create health because it was so 
inexpensive. Relieve the suffering of the poor. I was so happy to hear 
that. I spend a lot of time around poor people who suffer deeply. So 
knowing what I know and knowing how it was all turned into a yuppie 
money-making scheme makes me want to cry.Who knows, maybe they are 
going into the black hole of Calcutta and helping relieve suffering--but I'm 
sure we would have heard if that was ever the case.-Ah Vaj, I 
just had to quit because my boss told me I had to be a whip cracker on a nigger. 
I was insulted that he had made the mistake to think I was his voice and not 
actually his chef. What a fucking dork. You just don't get wise bosses. 
Sometimes you just have to say to them like I said, this job is boring, it's not 
the best I ever had, and I don't need it. 

A few years back I had stopped TM since doing a 
month CCP in 92. Then I decided I wanted to do something for all the poor people 
right then in New Orleans. I called the TM center and asked them for flyers and 
to see hw I could help the inner city. I had grand notions of passing out flyers 
in the projects and so on, and then guess what $2,500 bucks raise in price. I 
was like, no fucking way! then every other hare brained scheme ever. Talk 
about not appreciating the hired help. What a dork. Not the best religion I ever 
had, it's boring (no bhakti) and I don't need it. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Sal Sunshine
Mexico is part of North America.

Sal


On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:

but that could 
 have been tried as an alternative that would at least still have 
 pundits in North America (or close, in the case of Mexico).








Re: [FairfieldLife] Ayurvedic Daily food intake

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





This is like some cracker walking into the 
bodycount. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  HENRY 
  ALZAMORA 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:48 
PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ayurvedic Daily 
  food intake
  
  
  
Hi ti all of you
I´d like you to help me to plan a dietary plan for me to build a ayurveda 
diet program depending on doshas and of course of the season of the year. I 
want to know how can i do it, the ingredients, species, vegetables, foods in 
general that can improve my spiritual refinement on my body, iam looking 
forward to your answer. Or if you know any site or place where they can 
offer me a guide to do it or if there are any ayurvedic teacher here who can 
help me in this matter i´d thank you so much for that
My best regards and wishes
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





Mharishi says, "Only by washing the yellow cotton 
in the machine can we get the ghost out of it."

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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New 
  Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
  On Mar 28, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Peter Sutphen 
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  how can this be accounted for in the super radiance 
  theory.It's in the 11th Mandala of Rig Ved, where've you 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City

2005-03-28 Thread Bob Brigante


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Mexico is part of North America.
 
 Sal


Even better, then. I was thinking that it was considered to be Central 
America, but evidently not: http://www.mrdowling.com/711mexico.html  
Cost of maintaining a pundit group in Mexico would be low, if the 
Mexican govt OKed it -- time to put the trailer park back on wheels and 
head for Oaxaca! 


 
 On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
 
  but that could
   have been tried as an alternative that would at least still have
   pundits in North America (or close, in the case of Mexico).
 
 
 
 
 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America

2005-03-28 Thread rudra_joe





You mean I'm uglier inside than out. Oh, that's 
cool.

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  On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, mark robert 
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  alcohol. The  stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil

2005-03-28 Thread Nelson


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  but cooking a small fish. that's very difficult.
 
 That's why I'm lazy and often use canned Alaskan salmon. Like today's
 veggie salmon hash of julienned red beet and carrot, asparagus,
 onion, and a can of salmon, flavored with grated fresh ginger,
 garlic, salt to taste, and a splash of mirin, served over a bed of
 romaine tossed with fresh lemon juice. 
 
 Alex
  This is lazy? You don't know from lazy
  I warmed a can of hash (corned beef) in the can, eat out of can,
no dishes-- Wife still in Florida.  N.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?

2005-03-28 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 3/28/05 12:13:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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 I 
  think thats it. And no worries. Everyone will get to take ther  
  refresher course if the thing works and initiations actually go 
  up.

What makes anybody think that initiations are going to go Up? 
I'm not sure we could GIVE TM to many people let a lone charge them 
2,400.00.


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