[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --Or, "they" are really Enlightened but Enlightenment isn't what > it's cracked up to be. Think how boring enlightenment would be if it were only what you expect it to be. I credit the cosmos with more creativity than that. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
I liked your story Jim, and I see MMY in a similar light. Only I cannot see Guru Dev having implanted a time bomb here. What has happened to MMY is fully in accordance with natural law. I mean what happened to MMY, is the typical course. That tends to happen to people with narcissistic personality order, who have managed to get to leading positions. And it is true, that in movements, where people use powerful inner techniques, leaders end up exposing themselves through their ridiculous behaviour much faster than elsewhere. And in TMO the behavior is just ridiculous, and for the outsiders even entertaining. It could also be disastrous for the people involved as history has shown innumerable times. A narcissist wants to be seen as superior to others. He is wired to make himself infallible and self-satisfied. These people have difficulties to transform themselves. They break down, if the internal image of themselves as superior beings gets shattered. When the image is threatened, they have to take to more drastic measures to keep it going. On the other hand a narcissistic can be a very efficient distributor. He can create very fast a big mass movement, better than anyone else. In that sense MMY has done a good job. A lot of people did learn an easy, effortless meditation technique. Having the technique they have moved ahead and brought with them that light to many other spiritual organizations. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After thinking over the last day about where Maharishi went wrong, I > have reached the following conclusions: > > He starts out as a naive Indian student and seeker. By naive I mean he > knows very little about the West, or the rest of the world outside > India. I suspect too that he was probably kind of a geek as a > householder, physics student and all... > > He is fortunate through his seeking to find Brahmananda Saraswati, and > commences his study with him. He also decides he will be a celibate > monk, etc. Through his association with Guru Dev, he derives a clear > understanding of Reality, and finds he can speak about it clearly too. > > I think what was going on here was a couple of things: Maharishi comes > from India where Hinduism and the knowledge of the Veda are relatively > commonplace. When I think about his early exposition of his teaching, > there is not a lot of content, just some mantras and their proper use, > derived from his closeness to Guru Dev. > > Profound knowledge to be sure, though something which could be derived > relatively quickly with the proper guidance, if one is already > operating within a supportive cultural context for such knowledge. > Combine this with his ability to speak well, and possessing a > charismatic personality, and who emerges? Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > Then as he spreads his message and the knowledge of the mantras, > absorbed by him from Guru Dev, he enjoys enormous success. The success > is due to him having a systematic and practical technique to back up > his speaking. However, he remains a naive monk from India. He also has > the ambition to enlighten the world. Given his experience up til then, > and 'cooking' in Guru Dev's presence for years, it seems a reasonable > ambition. > > As he becomes more and more successful, beyond his wildest dreams I am > sure, he begins to see that those around him are granting him > unlimited power over them. He now begins to equate the rudimentary > knowledge that he has perfected, the teaching of TM mantras, with > himself. He also sees that to ever admit that he is less than perfect > will possibly jeopardize his teaching amongst his followers, and > consequently his ambition to enlighten the world. > > Here we come to the good part: So now, Maharishi finds himself in a > position where he has a lot of power, unfulfilled desires, and little > knowledge about the West. A potentially explosive combo for sure. > > He begins to act out his unfulfilled desires for sex and hobnobbing > with the rich and powerful; pretty common desires in the world. At the > same time, he is aware from the feedback he has received that he is > seen as a realized Master (and he is probably pretty high on himself > at this point too...). > > This sets up the key quandry for Maharishi: > If he acts on his desires and is open about it, he will disappoint the > vision of himself that his followers, and he himself, has of himself, > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the celibate monk. If he doesn't act on his > desires, this 'guru' business just isn't all that much fun, is it? > > So he makes his fatal mistake: He will act on his desires for sex and > hobnobbing with the rich, only he won't admit it to his public, and > possibly not to himself as time goes on... > > And it works for awhile, however unbeknownst to Maharishi, Guru Dev > has planted a time bomb of sorts associated with this type of > deception. > > Unli
[FairfieldLife] Everything is /duHkham/ for a /vivekii/ ("discriminator")?
PYS (paatañjala-yoga-suutra) II 15: pariNaama-taapa-saMskaara-duHkhair guNa-vRtti-virodhaac_ca duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH Taimni's translation: To the people who have developed discrimination (vivekinaH) all (sarvam) is misery (duHkham) on account of the pains (dukHaiH) resulting from change (pariNaama), anxiety (taapa) and tendencies (saMskaara) as also (ca) on account of the conflicts (virodhaat) between the functioning of the guNas (guNa) and the vRttis (vRtti). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] new world order (was wealth and reincarnation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please make sure you read his whacked letter (below) to dictators, >ah here it is for the newcommers to this group. I am not making this >up.: An incredible letter, when was this sent out? It's no wonder MMY completely misread the significance of Blaire's re-election!! Elementary school children have more of a grasp of the political realities in the world than this letter demonstrates. What is the point of MMY bothering to bombard intelligent, educated people in positions of responsibility with this kind of nonsense - no wonder they can't take it seriously. And, obviously frustrated after 50 fruitless years of such ineffective communication with his target audience, he's now created a fantasy world order of his own with toy money and playmates dressed up in robes and crowns.. Had MMY's Movement been active before WW2 no doubt he WOULD have been praising Hitler's "invincibility" in defying the hegemony of the British and their "divide and rule" democracies and supported his enlightened ideals of establishing a "pure" race according to Natural Law. He'd applaud the skillful use of propaganda - he's ended up copying chunks of it himself. Hitler too spent much of his time daydreaming about building his own version of Vedic City, with architectural plans and all... Regarding MMY's current project, given his fondness for dictators, it would not surprise me if Zimbabwe were one of the "three-four countries" selected for invincibility, at Britain's expense, the more so because of Mugabe's stance AGAINST Britain. In fact MMY might want to favour undemocratic anti-British and anti-American regimes (especially as he can't well withdraw from America itself, there is too much invested there already). > > Maharishi University of Management, > Holland Celebrates the > Dawn of a New World Order of Peace > -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy > > Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State > > An Historic Day of > > Great Celebration for the World > > Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia, and the casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast. > > These four Heads-of-State are four great forerunners of a forthcoming New World Order of Peace. > > The present strength of their leadership is the first visible effect of improvement in the administration of nations. Their special qualities of ideal leadership demonstrate a rise in the world of Global Administration through Natural Law, and foreshadow a time soon to come when every nation will be sovereign, self-sufficient and invincible, yet will be united with all other nations in a world family enjoying perpetual peace. > > During the past forty years, nine American Presidents have tried to overthrow or kill Fidel Castro, and have failed-he has demonstrated invincibility in the face of a giant nation of vast destructive military power. > > President Robert Mugabe has stood firm against the hypocritical threats of Zimbabwe's former colonial master, and reminded Britain that Zimbabwe is not their colony anymore. He has demonstrated freedom, and stood against the savage depredations of the colonial past. > > President Wahid, the first President honored as a saint by his people, has brought into the world of politics the qualities of purity, tolerance, harmony, and devotion to God. He is the First Divine Ruler of Indonesia. > > President Guei has thrown off the faulty and corrupt democratic system imposed on so many nations by their former imperial overlords, and which has led only to chaos and plundering of the nation by an elite, while the poor remain pressed under the weight of their misery. > > The world is awakening to the reality that the old order is passing, and a New World Order of Peace is dawning. The new order will be characterized by these very qualities of the four Presidents- invincibility, freedom, divine rule, and the transformation of corrupt and failing democracies into governments that unify and nourish on the basis of the support of the evolutionary power of Natural Law. > > A Sovereign Government Accepts A New Principle for the Eradication of Poverty without Foreign Debt > > There is a yet another cause for celebration today-the sovereign government of Zimbabwe has accepted a new principle to eradicate poverty without the need for ruinous foreign loans. > > A frank evaluation of the performance of the IMF and World Bank indicates that they have not eradicated poverty at all. But they have overshadowed the sovereignty of nations, placed upon them heavy burdens of deb
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel sorry for you, Bob. Your remarks are so venom-laced > and closed-minded... You really seem terribly afraid that > your tightly constructed fantasy of Maharishi's perfection > might come tumbling down. Where would Bob be then? > > I've spoken with Earl not too long ago. He's not crazy - just > pissed off and feeling duped, and, frankly, I understand > his feelings. You fall perfectly into the cult thinking that > anyone who doubts "the" reality is nasty, evil, deluded, > doomed to lifetimes as slime-mold on Mars, etc. Can't > you, even for a moment, take a step back and see your > words for what they reveal of you? > > Your normal reaction to this will be more venom and > denial. Why is that, do you think? > > ** I've simply pointed out how insane the Kaplans' claims (that MMY has beensiphoning off energy from people doing the Siddhis) are, and instead of dealing with that fact, that the Kaplans are strictly delusional, you need to attack me for questioning their sanity? The venom (and ignorance) is all yours. As far as my attitude towards MMY, he's a great saint, but when he dies in a few years, I will continue to meditate then exactly the same as I do now, so your insistence that I have a problem with thinking about MMY is just a product of your poorly-configured and condescending brain, which has apparently mistaken the ability to be a grubby businessman for higher levels of mental orderliness (if somebody with ten million is smart, then that dwarf who ran for prez, whatzisname, Ross Perot, must be really smart with 4 billion). If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about vampirism that they do, then I would not say that they are disordered -- but they are, and it's a shame that they are unable to expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced happily for years simply because they felt pushed around. Bob > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more > > pathetic > > > > than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his > > health, > > > > and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, > > aided > > > > by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise. > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking today that if Bob could spend a week or even a day > > as a fly > > > on the wall in Maharishi¹s apartment he would be utterly shocked. > > What he > > > observed would be at complete odds with the concepts he¹s been > > clinging to > > > all these years > > > > ** > > > > You're displaying your usual denseness here, Rick. Practice of TM has > > nothing to do with MMY. Your idiot claims and the Kaplans' insane > > claims are just a function of huge blocks of stress in the ole > > nervous system that do not permit further growth in this lifetime. > > After a few turns in the doggie kingdom, you n them'll be back and > > more receptive to genuine spiritual growth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about vampirism that they do, then I would not say that they are disordered -- but they are, and it's a shame that they are unable to expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced happily for years.Bob have a nice day :)--Well, this last part is actually quite undestandable. Do you think that perhaps after just a few years of disaffectation that perhaps then they might well pick up TM again and get over their stigmas regarding it? Or must they die as miserable scum first for any catharsis to take place? --Sorry Bob for lombasting you. It's fairly clear to me now that you're just sort of crochety, but maybe not much more whacked than that. Too late to start over and dall that. That's ok. I'm sorry. I'll never lay into you again. It's just sort of meaningless anyway, and makes me seem like a jerk. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
Well, at the very least I feel sorry for him having backed minself into a corner. He has all the money and power in the world but can't set foot in India or anywhere else on the planet for fear of being hauled into court for one thing or another, most usually tax evasion. This narcissist has made himself an ivory tower for sure. - Original Message - From: Irmeli Mattsson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong I liked your story Jim, and I see MMY in a similar light. Only Icannot see Guru Dev having implanted a time bomb here.What has happened to MMY is fully in accordance with natural law. Imean what happened to MMY, is the typical course. That tends to happento people with narcissistic personality order, who have managed to getto leading positions. And it is true, that in movements, where peopleuse powerful inner techniques, leaders end up exposing themselvesthrough their ridiculous behaviour much faster than elsewhere. And inTMO the behavior is just ridiculous, and for the outsiders evenentertaining. It could also be disastrous for the people involved ashistory has shown innumerable times.A narcissist wants to be seen as superior to others. He is wired tomake himself infallible and self-satisfied. These people havedifficulties to transform themselves. They break down, if the internalimage of themselves as superior beings gets shattered. When the imageis threatened, they have to take to more drastic measures to keep itgoing.On the other hand a narcissistic can be a very efficient distributor.He can create very fast a big mass movement, better than anyone else.In that sense MMY has done a good job. A lot of people did learn aneasy, effortless meditation technique. Having the technique they havemoved ahead and brought with them that light to many other spiritualorganizations.Irmeli--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> After thinking over the last day about where Maharishi went wrong, I > have reached the following conclusions:> > He starts out as a naive Indian student and seeker. By naive I mean he > knows very little about the West, or the rest of the world outside > India. I suspect too that he was probably kind of a geek as a > householder, physics student and all...> > He is fortunate through his seeking to find Brahmananda Saraswati, and > commences his study with him. He also decides he will be a celibate > monk, etc. Through his association with Guru Dev, he derives a clear > understanding of Reality, and finds he can speak about it clearly too.> > I think what was going on here was a couple of things: Maharishi comes > from India where Hinduism and the knowledge of the Veda are relatively > commonplace. When I think about his early exposition of his teaching, > there is not a lot of content, just some mantras and their proper use, > derived from his closeness to Guru Dev. > > Profound knowledge to be sure, though something which could be derived > relatively quickly with the proper guidance, if one is already > operating within a supportive cultural context for such knowledge. > Combine this with his ability to speak well, and possessing a > charismatic personality, and who emerges? Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.> > Then as he spreads his message and the knowledge of the mantras, > absorbed by him from Guru Dev, he enjoys enormous success. The success > is due to him having a systematic and practical technique to back up > his speaking. However, he remains a naive monk from India. He also has > the ambition to enlighten the world. Given his experience up til then, > and 'cooking' in Guru Dev's presence for years, it seems a reasonable > ambition.> > As he becomes more and more successful, beyond his wildest dreams I am > sure, he begins to see that those around him are granting him > unlimited power over them. He now begins to equate the rudimentary > knowledge that he has perfected, the teaching of TM mantras, with > himself. He also sees that to ever admit that he is less than perfect > will possibly jeopardize his teaching amongst his followers, and > consequently his ambition to enlighten the world.> > Here we come to the good part: So now, Maharishi finds himself in a > position where he has a lot of power, unfulfilled desires, and little > knowledge about the West. A potentially explosive combo for sure.> > He begins to act out his unfulfilled desires for sex and hobnobbing > with the rich and powerful; pretty common desires in the world. At the > same time, he is aware from the feedback he has received that he is > seen as a realized Master (and he is probably pretty high on himself > at this point too...). > > This sets up the key quandry for
Re: [FairfieldLife] new world order (was wealth and reincarnation)
It came out about two years ago. - Original Message - From: claudiouk To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] new world order (was wealth and reincarnation) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> Please make sure you read his whacked letter (below) to dictators, >ah here it is for the newcommers to this group. I am not making this >up.:An incredible letter, when was this sent out? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Trustees who have died.
Does anyone know the names of the most major Moement trustees in the past and how many are still alive? You knw like Kurley King, Skip Arenandar, Doug Henning, etc... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Bob: > If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite > whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, > including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about > vampirism that they do, then I would not say that they are > disordered -- but they are, and it's a shame that they are unable > to expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced > happily for years. Bob, just as a question, do you really believe that your often-expressed feelings of pity for those who have left TM just sprang up from the ether somewhere? Or that they are some manifestation of eternal truth or the laws of nature? These behaviors and beliefs were TAUGHT to you, man. They were taught to ALL of us. How to regard and refer to those who go "off the program" has been an integral part of the TM dogma since the late 60s. It started being an integral part of the dogma right about the time that the first high-profile meditators decided to move on or study other things. My position is that this attitude has been taught so pervasively and so effectively that *most* TMers who react this way to news that someone has left the TM movement do NOT realize that they were TAUGHT to react that way, over and over and over and over, for decades. IMO, there are *many* such teachings in the TM dogma, assumptions that have been taught so pervasively that very few even *think* of challenging their validity. "TM is unique." "TM is 'the best' or most effective technique of meditation." (This is my favorite because there is about a 100-to-1 likelihood that the person saying it has never tried any other technique.) "TM is 100% life-supporting and cannot, by definition, produce any negative effects in practitioners." And my other favorite, "Maharishi is enlightened," a prize because as someone else here pointed out recently, I never heard him even once claim to be enlightened in the 14 years I spent around him, and yet everyone assumed he was. Technically, what these beliefs are called is "memes." They are buzz-phrases that have been repeated so often *as true* that no one questions their truth. As a seeker of truth, isn't it worth analyzing where some of the things you assume to be true *came* from? If you do, I think you'll find that many of them are *not* based on your own experience, but on something that someone *told* you was true, and which you just accepted as truth, without ever challenging it or even thinking about it very much. I like very much the sayings in the "credo" on the home page of this group. You obviously pity the people who have walked away from TM, Bob. Doncha think it might be worth the effort sometime to sit down and try to figure out *why* you pity them? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddha Quote # 1
I prefer: "Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide." -Dharma-pada -- Buddha Shakyamuni On May 16, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 5/16/05 4:09 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." ~ Buddha 6th century bce Indian mystic and founder of Buddhism from The Dhammapada Any of you Buddhists know if this is a valid quote? Might add it to the home page.
Re: [FairfieldLife] new world order (was wealth and reincarnation)
What the hell is "the Bell of Eureka"? This is insane. What a humiliation! The whole thing is going to fail because some moron is using some misplaced tantric double-talk phrase that will confuse the great peace loving dictators of the world. My God! what a disastor in the making! Ring my bell of Eureka! -Peter --- claudiouk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Please make sure you read his whacked letter > (below) to dictators, > >ah here it is for the newcommers to this group. I > am not making this > >up.: > > An incredible letter, when was this sent out? It's > no wonder MMY > completely misread the significance of Blaire's > re-election!! > Elementary school children have more of a grasp of > the political > realities in the world than this letter > demonstrates. What is the > point of MMY bothering to bombard intelligent, > educated people in > positions of responsibility with this kind of > nonsense - no wonder > they can't take it seriously. And, obviously > frustrated after 50 > fruitless years of such ineffective communication > with his target > audience, he's now created a fantasy world order of > his own with toy > money and playmates dressed up in robes and crowns.. > > Had MMY's Movement been active before WW2 no doubt > he WOULD have been > praising Hitler's "invincibility" in defying the > hegemony of the > British and their "divide and rule" democracies and > supported his > enlightened ideals of establishing a "pure" race > according to Natural > Law. He'd applaud the skillful use of propaganda - > he's ended up > copying chunks of it himself. Hitler too spent much > of his time > daydreaming about building his own version of Vedic > City, with > architectural plans and all... > > Regarding MMY's current project, given his fondness > for dictators, it > would not surprise me if Zimbabwe were one of the > "three-four > countries" selected for invincibility, at Britain's > expense, the more > so because of Mugabe's stance AGAINST Britain. In > fact MMY might want > to favour undemocratic anti-British and > anti-American regimes > (especially as he can't well withdraw from America > itself, there is > too much invested there already). > > > > Maharishi University of Management, > > Holland Celebrates the > > Dawn of a New World Order of Peace > > -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and > Economy > > > > Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal > Qualities of an > Ideal State > > > > An Historic Day of > > > > Great Celebration for the World > > > > Today, Maharishi University of Management > celebrates the dawn of a > New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the > invincibility of > President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of > President Robert > Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the Divine Rulership of > President Abdurrahman > Wahid of Indonesia, and the casting off of corrupt > democracy by > President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast. > > > > These four Heads-of-State are four great > forerunners of a > forthcoming New World Order of Peace. > > > > The present strength of their leadership is the > first visible > effect of improvement in the administration of > nations. Their special > qualities of ideal leadership demonstrate a rise in > the world of > Global Administration through Natural Law, and > foreshadow a time soon > to come when every nation will be sovereign, > self-sufficient and > invincible, yet will be united with all other > nations in a world > family enjoying perpetual peace. > > > > During the past forty years, nine American > Presidents have tried to > overthrow or kill Fidel Castro, and have failed-he > has demonstrated > invincibility in the face of a giant nation of vast > destructive > military power. > > > > President Robert Mugabe has stood firm against the > hypocritical > threats of Zimbabwe's former colonial master, and > reminded Britain > that Zimbabwe is not their colony anymore. He has > demonstrated > freedom, and stood against the savage depredations > of the colonial > past. > > > > President Wahid, the first President honored as a > saint by his > people, has brought into the world of politics the > qualities of > purity, tolerance, harmony, and devotion to God. He > is the First > Divine Ruler of Indonesia. > > > > President Guei has thrown off the faulty and > corrupt democratic > system imposed on so many nations by their former > imperial overlords, > and which has led only to chaos and plundering of > the nation by an > elite, while the poor remain pressed under the > weight of their > misery. > > > > The world is awakening to the reality that the old > order is > passing, and a New World Order of Peace is dawning. > The new order > will be characterized by these very qualities of the > four Presidents- > invincibility, freedom, divine rule, and the > transformation of > corrupt
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
On May 16, 2005, at 11:59 PM, hyperbolicgeometry wrote: > -More jewels of wisdom (below). In addition, most Buddhists are > nihilists and have been duped into the false idea that after getting > Enlightened, dropping the body (and all subtle bodies) is a "higher" > state of evolution than maintaining a body. You are confusing Advaita Vedanta with Sutric Buddhism. Advaita Vedanta believes that Unity Consciousness, aka "bodiless liberation" (videha-mukti) is the highest form of liberation--all of the subtle bodies are obliterated. Buddhism should not be confused with nihlism, this is an erroneous View. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
On May 17, 2005, at 1:45 AM, Rick wrote: > One more problem with Buddhismit's an ism It's just another bad translation. Real name: "Dharma" or "Buddha-Dharma". Much like "Hinduism" which is a poor translation of something not so simple. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
On May 16, 2005, at 11:59 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > The man radiated pure consciousness like a blast furnace. > Something profound going on there. How do you differentiate this from a placebo effect? Unless you were in a neutral state, how could the mind judge? Does "pure consciousness" radiate? How is that detected? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite > whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, > including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about > vampirism that they do... Also, Bob, just FYI, the idea of spiritual teachers feeding off of the energy of their students is not an idea that is new or limited to the Kaplans. I don't remember exactly, but I have a faint memory that in the original Kaplan letter this idea was suggested to them by someone from another tradition. This post is just to let you know that there *are* such teachings out there in other traditions. Some tantric traditions are very hip to the "exchange of energies" between individuals, and also hip to the fact that some- one who knows how can artificially add to their own kundalini or life energy by getting people to focus on them, and then sorta sucking the energy from that focused attention. In the case of Maharishi, I don't have an opinon on the issue one way or another. But I can tell you that I first heard this theory about him well over 20 years ago, from several teachers of other traditions. They listed a number of teachers whom they thought were indulging in this practice, Maharishi among them. And although I didn't pay much attention to it at the time, and still don't because I'd rather focus on more positive things, it was interesting in that the teachers they named were *not* all famous and/or wealthy, so the comments didn't strike me as coming from any teacher-vs-teacher jealousy or envy. In fact, these teachers listed some *very* famous and/or well-to-do spiritual teachers whom they felt were *not* doing this. So this is just more information to feed into the olde brain computer. It's not meant to persuade you or sell you any particular point of view, merely to let you know that the beliefs that the Kaplans are giving voice to are hardly new and hardly unique, and that the phen- omenon itself has been known and talked about in spiritual traditions for thousands of years. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
On May 17, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Llundrub wrote: He has all the money and power in the world but can't set foot in India or anywhere else on the planet for fear of being hauled into court for one thing or another, most usually tax evasion I always wondered about this--he seems trapped in exile. Is this true though that the reason is legal?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 4:29 AM, bbrigante wrote: > it's a shame that they are unable to > expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced > happily for years simply because they felt pushed around. TM is just meditation with supports. The support is the mantra. Supports are like training wheels. Eventually you drop the training wheels. Maybe they moved on to a higher meditation--a fast boat without training wheels--or even without a boat. Whatever the case, I hope they have good path after leaving this cult called the TMO and truly attain in this lifetime. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
> If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite > whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, > including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about > vampirism that they do... Sorry, still getting used to the Yahoo editor. The paragraph above was written by Bob Brigante, not by Llundrub as was mistakenly attributed in my last post. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 7:19 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > My position is that this attitude has been taught so > pervasively and so effectively that *most* TMers who > react this way to news that someone has left the TM > movement do NOT realize that they were TAUGHT to react > that way, over and over and over and over, for decades. This is a really good point. In fact if you extend this further, you will notice that many of the pro-TMO comments--despite the vast evidence to the contrary--are just "conditioning". Some of it may represent post-hypnotic suggestion. Typical conditioned response include: -TM is the highest or fastest meditation technique there is. -Maharishi is enlightened -anyone who leaves is leaving the "fastest boat" -don't look at the real setting or tradition you (are alleged to) come from, it will just confuse you. -wealth = evolution The list goes on... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddha Quote # 1
Yeah, I did search on the previous quote and no one anywhere had the exact scriptural reference. Moreover the quote is so pervasive that it's platitudinal at this point. I like the below better as well. Believing nothing makes Buddha sound nihilist as many think and that's not true or the basis for acting upon karma would be pointless. Buddha taught the eightfold way right upon the heels of the 4 great truths. Proper action is ever at the heart of Buddhism. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddha Quote # 1 I prefer:"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide."-Dharma-pada-- Buddha ShakyamuniOn May 16, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 5/16/05 4:09 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Believe nothing.No matter where you read it,Or who said it, Even if I have said it,Unless it agrees with your own reasonAnd your own common sense."~ Buddha6th century bce Indian mystic and founder of Buddhism from TheDhammapada Any of you Buddhists know if this is a valid quote? Might add it to the homepage. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 7:19 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > My position is that this attitude has been taught so > > pervasively and so effectively that *most* TMers who > > react this way to news that someone has left the TM > > movement do NOT realize that they were TAUGHT to react > > that way, over and over and over and over, for decades. > > This is a really good point. In fact if you extend this further, > you will notice that many of the pro-TMO comments--despite the > vast evidence to the contrary--are just "conditioning". Some of > it may represent post-hypnotic suggestion. > > Typical conditioned response include: > > -TM is the highest or fastest meditation technique there is. > -Maharishi is enlightened > -anyone who leaves is leaving the "fastest boat" > -don't look at the real setting or tradition you (are alleged > to) come from, it will just confuse you. > -wealth = evolution > > The list goes on... But, just to provide some balance, such lists go on and on in almost EVERY spiritual tradition on the planet. That is why it is good, no matter what tradition you feel you are from, to analyze the assumptions you "take for granted" periodically to see if they really *warrant* being taken for granted. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
I'd rather focus on more positive things,it was interesting in that the teachers they named were*not* all famous and/or wealthy, so the comments didn'tstrike me as coming from any teacher-vs-teacher jealousyor envy. In fact, these teachers listed some *very*famous and/or well-to-do spiritual teachers whom theyfelt were *not* doing this. -Maharishi obviously is feeding off the furor of his brashness, and he is probably addicted to making waves. Leaders who do not feed off of others would be those who do not try to get their followers all worked up. Humblle leaders who are into discussing things using reason and real mental powers. The rest are evangelists who work upon our emotions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
Yes. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong On May 17, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Llundrub wrote: He has all the money and power in the world but can't set foot in India or anywhere else on the planet for fear of being hauled into court for one thing or another, most usually tax evasionI always wondered about this--he seems trapped in exile. Is this true though that the reason is legal? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Whatever the case, I hope they have good path after leaving this cult called the TMO and truly attain in this lifetime.-For sure. I wish them the best. They tried to be good and they in fact were. They still have pure hearts and a pure interest in the spiritual. How can that ever be wrong. I say they should be given kudos. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
> > They claim to be having much better experiences and getting much > better > > results with the sadhana they're now doing. Who's to say they're > not? > > Not only that but what does it say about TM if after 60 years of > combined TM practise it results in them becoming the wretched souls > described above? Didn't their cumulative practise of TM amount to > anything?>>> Lol ! "what does it say about TM " Read through Rick and your sentance again. It clearly says that after 60 years of combined TM practice they are having much better experiences and getting much better results. MANY people get experiences like that after giving up TM-sidhi's or not following Maharishi so intently. They are now so clarified that they are enhoying the bliss while not advancing so fast. Like Kai that came to Jesus and felt all enlightened suddenly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Whatever the case, I hope they have good path after leaving > this cult called the TMO and truly attain in this lifetime. IMO, if the Kaplans are still clinging to the unsubstantiated rumors surrounding Guru Dev's death and the other goofiness in that letter, then they're still in the same cultist rut, except they have new set of nutters doing the brainwashing. But, I can also accept that letter as being a product of the Kaplans in the highly emotionally charged "divorce" phase of their split from the TMO and that it may just be a passing phase. Back when Larry Rail first split from the TMO to do his fundamentalist Christian gig, he would print and distribute this venomous anti-TM newspaper around town. But, I spoke with him about it some years later, and he's completely over it now. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Llundrub wrote: Maharishi obviously is feeding off the furor of his brashness, and he is probably addicted to making waves. Leaders who do not feed off of others would be those who do not try to get their followers all worked up. Humblle leaders who are into discussing things using reason and real mental powers. The rest are evangelists who work upon our emotions. I think you are on to something here, but in this case it may be people who have LOST a sense of emotion or mood and need to have it dispensed by a mood-giver. Sound crazy? It's not--the actual Sanskrit name of Transcendental Meditation, bhavatita dhyana, means "transcending mood" or "beyond feelings". There has never been a clearer example of name and form.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > IMO, if the Kaplans are still clinging to the unsubstantiated rumors > surrounding Guru Dev's death Well these aren't "unsubstantiated rumors" Alex regarding Swami Brahmananda's death. They are quite well known. > and the other goofiness in that letter, > then they're still in the same cultist rut, except they have new set > of nutters doing the brainwashing. I think Rick commented that he had spoke to Earl and that he had settled down a bit on his overreaction. > But, I can also accept that letter > as being a product of the Kaplans in the highly emotionally charged > "divorce" phase of their split from the TMO and that it may just be a > passing phase. I think this may be closer to the truth of the matter. It's obvious to me there is going to be a huge built up emotional charge when you had so much emotion and financial involvement in the TMO and with its CEO over many, many years. > Back when Larry Rail first split from the TMO to do > his fundamentalist Christian gig, he would print and distribute this > venomous anti-TM newspaper around town. But, I spoke with him about > it some years later, and he's completely over it now. Yeah, you process as you can. Regarding Earl's letter, I can immediately see-through much of it, but I also have a sense of what rings true--for example his direct evidence of Mahesh's greed at wanting to drain his fortune is very sadly telling. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 4:29 AM, bbrigante wrote: > > > it's a shame that they are unable to > > expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced > > happily for years simply because they felt pushed around. > > TM is just meditation with supports. The support is the mantra. > Supports are like training wheels. Eventually you drop the training > wheels.>> You really don't seem to have ever learned TM. It is as if you never learned it. I'm not being sarcastic. Any TM'r reading your posts, it is as if you really don't understand the technique. Also, what about the TM-Siddhis? If you knew anything about TM you would know that what you describe is kindof hilariously funny because you don't seem to know anything about the TM-Siddhis either. > Maybe they moved on to a higher meditation--a fast boat without > training wheels--or even without a boat.>> Or maybe they are just enjoying the bliss after 30 years of TM and have slowed down their evolution. Nothing wrong with that. <> Lol, they went off and immediatly joined a cult. Many people here seem to do that. Believe me, if I give up TM, I will not be following any other gurus or guru-esses. I'm not much of a guru or hero follower really...not like most people here. Thats why I always say that most people here are WAY more TMO than I have ever been, because they have such a NEED of following a guru. This is a trait, both in and out of TMO. I have never been very good at this trait. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
<>> This says it all. You're point about the divorce phase is also a good one. One day, they will be reconciled as friends (this is an analogy) but Maharishi will probably not remember him, as he will have travelled many journeys by then, while the Kaplans will have played golf and walked on the beach, and said "ooo, ah feel goood" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Vaj>> I think you are on to something here, but in this case it may be people who have LOST a sense of emotion or mood and need to have it dispensed by a mood-giver. Sound crazy? It's not--the actual Sanskrit name of Transcendental > Meditation, bhavatita dhyana, means "transcending mood" or "beyond > feelings". There has never been a clearer example of name and form.>> Do you realize how stupid that is? "Transcending mood" (or feelings) means NOT moodmaking you idiot. Llundrub's post made total sense, but yours is just unbelievably lacking intellect or insight. Sorry, but you present yourself here as a know-it-all on these boards, and then say the most ridiculous irrationalities. I have nothing against it when people criticize TM using logic, reasoning, and insight, but not irrational pseudo scholarship. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
<<> They are unsubstantiated gossip you raving lunatic. What a nut. There is zero evidence for anything remotely of this nature. Just from nutcase anti-TM'rs like you, and no-one will ever take them seriously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 8:50 AM, off_program_beings wrote: > You really don't seem to have ever learned TM. It is as if you never > learned it. I'm not being sarcastic. Any TM'r reading your posts, it > is as if you really don't understand the technique. > > Also, what about the TM-Siddhis? If you knew anything about TM you > would know that what you describe is kindof hilariously funny > because you don't seem to know anything about the TM-Siddhis either. I think what confuses you is your conditioning. You've been conditioned to only recognize certain buzz-words and buzz-phrases and buzz-sentences as representative of TM and sadly, real meditation. Once one understands the broader context and tradition in which TM rests, one is no longer restricted to parroting phrases from a closed-loop system--one can speak from the truer, more broader context. I understand that this is confusing to you, but no one said the truth would be comfortable. Understanding the broader context of the meditative tradition therefore may be uncomfortable for you. Perhaps it would be helpful for you to think of this as "unstressing". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 9:04 AM, off_program_beings wrote: > Do you realize how stupid that is? > "Transcending mood" (or feelings) means NOT moodmaking you idiot. Your posts seem to be mainly "moodmaking". What's sad is when people lose their moods and emotions and must have them dispensed by a Guru-mood dispenser. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > IMO, if the Kaplans are still clinging to the > > unsubstantiated rumors > > surrounding Guru Dev's death > > Well these aren't "unsubstantiated rumors" Alex regarding > Swami Brahmananda's death. They are quite well known. I've seen much discussion of these rumors in the dozen years I've been online, and I've yet to see anyone present hard evidence for any of them. If there is substantiated evidence that MMY poisoned GD, why was he not placed on trial? IIRC, L B Shriver investigated the situation on his travels to India and didn't come away with much or any reason to believe the rumors were true. I just chalk it up to the ugly, interfactional, spiritual politics of India. Frankly, from all the endless bitching and fighting over the Jyotir Math seat since GD's passing, I think it would have been better had the seat again been left vacant until someone worthy of it came along. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > I've seen much discussion of these rumors in the dozen years I've > been online, and I've yet to see anyone present hard evidence for any > of them. If there is substantiated evidence that MMY poisoned GD, why > was he not placed on trial? IIRC, L B Shriver investigated the > situation on his travels to India and didn't come away with much or > any reason to believe the rumors were true. No I don't think there is any evidence that M. poisoned him, just that he was poisoned. There are some circumstantial suspicions surrounding M. but nothing solid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On May 17, 2005, at 4:29 AM, bbrigante wrote: > > > it's a shame that they are unable to > > > expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced > > > happily for years simply because they felt pushed around. > > > > TM is just meditation with supports. The support is the mantra. > > Supports are like training wheels. Eventually you drop the > > training wheels.>> > > You really don't seem to have ever learned TM. It is as if you > never learned it. I'm not being sarcastic. Any TM'r reading your > posts, it is as if you really don't understand the technique. Just as counterpoint (not argument), I practiced and taught TM for 14 years, and it is clear to me that Vaj's POV is one of having been there, done that, and moved on to other tech- niques and traditions. He may *describe* TM practices using terminology that is different, but I have never gotten the feeling that he doesn't understand it. In particular, the "training wheels" concept above is pretty standard in some traditions. Many of the techniques they teach are *remarkably* like TM in terms of effortlessness and the use of the mantra. In two or three I have come in contact with, the use of mantra in conjunction with this effortless approach (as opposed to a more focused or concen- trative approach) is often viewed as a beginner's technique. Once the student gains some familiarity with effortless transcending using a mantra, it is suggested that they try effortless transcending using no mantra or other "starting point" for the meditation. They are encouraged to merely sit and "let go." > Also, what about the TM-Siddhis? If you knew anything about TM you > would know that what you describe is kindof hilariously funny > because you don't seem to know anything about the TM-Siddhis > either. Again I must respectfully disagree. Vaj's POV is very traditionalist as to the long-term *effects* of attempting to learn the siddhis (as opposed to having them unfold naturally). That somewhat negative POV is probably more common in traditional Indian teaching than the contrary, that learning the siddhis has value for the unenlightened seeker. I actually don't remember him ever saying much about the actual mechanics of the TM siddhi practice. So what I suspect is going on is that you are interpreting his admittedly negative view of attempting to learn the siddhis *period* for a lack of understanding of the TM way of attempting to learn them. Vaj should correct me here if I have gotten this wrong. > > Maybe they moved on to a higher meditation--a fast boat without > > training wheels--or even without a boat. > > Or maybe they are just enjoying the bliss after 30 years of TM and > have slowed down their evolution. Nothing wrong with that. Or maybe they felt that they had gone about as far as the TM "boat" could take them, and decided to try alternative means of commuting. :-) > > Whatever the case, I hope they have good path after leaving this > > cult called the TMO and truly attain in this lifetime. > > Lol, they went off and immediatly joined a cult. > Many people here seem to do that. It is true that many people who have spent decades in an environment that encourages the idea that a teacher is *necessary* find another teacher when they decide to leave the first one. But that makes neither teaching organization a "cult." Man, haven't you gotten tired enough of having the "cult" epithet thrown at you because you practice TM to not throw it around yourself? > Believe me, if I give up TM, > I will not be following any other gurus or guru-esses. I'm not > much of a guru or hero follower really...not like most people > here. Thats why I always say that most people here are WAY > more TMO than I have ever been, because they have such a NEED > of following a guru. This is a trait, both in and out of TMO. > I have never been very good at this trait. Cool. Then if you ever do give up TM, you can merely be accused of joining the "cult of self" or the "cult of no- cult," as I have been repeatedly. Look forward to it. :-) The word "cult," when used by *anyone*, is a thought-stopper. I'm fairly sensitive to it because I've had to fight such epithets, and more concrete issues such as blacklisting, on the front lines. It's sorta like calling any American who was against the rush to war after 9/11 a "traitor." The intent of hurling the epithet is to demean the person being called the name, to encourage other people in the audience to brand the person with that label, and thus to undercut anything that the targeted victim says by calling his or her credibility into question. You wouldn't like it much if the epithet "cultist" was applied to you, right? If that's so, you might think about not trying to brand others with it. Just my opinion... Unc
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
On May 17, 2005, at 8:50 AM, off_program_beings wrote: > Or maybe they are just enjoying the bliss after 30 years of TM and > have slowed down their evolution. Nothing wrong with that. You might want to consider that they may have accelerated their evolution. Here's why. If they were "enjoying bliss" this phrase is a dead giveaway. True bliss consciousness is an integrated state of awareness--not something enjoyable within time per se. One of the big pitfalls of mantra meditation (outside of bhakti) is that the person gets attached to their own bliss sheath. Many of the sages of the tradition warn against this. The reason is that the bliss body (or sheath) is just another veil of ignorance and this is identified by having three modifications: anticipating that joy, being delighted about it after you acquired the "bliss" and the actual experience of bliss. If your experience of bliss has any of these qualifications, then guess what: it's ignorance. Blissignorance. The Jivan-mukti-vivkeka, the standard text on CC, is a great companion for those who are interested in Cosmic Consciousness, and has some really poignant warnings for those who would be bliss-kittens. Purr not! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Only really during the last few years I have developed an inner voice. It tells me what I am doing. It's really weird. When I just really gave up then I found that I did have a real personality. I stopped trying to be and do anything realizing that all my long sought after plans were out of my control. Rather than engaging discursive thought and always having some internal buzz of noise, instead I have found that in silence I hear things very well, and I also have many answers including when I don't have the answers and then what I must do to get them. For instance I fed my birds a bit of a bagel with cream cheese. I did it out of guilt of them basicallly not having their freedom. And inside as I was walking towards them my mind is speaking loudly, you're not doing them any favors giving them table food, developing their liking for diverse foodstuffs so that they lose the taste for the simple healthy things that they should eat, and so on. These were the real words of wisdom coming through. I gave them a piece anyway, but a much smaller piece just to keep them guessing and interested in the gifts of living. What's my point? I guess it is that if one learns to have some faith and let go then the real truths come naturally and effortlessly. I guess this started when I finally had worked through most of my internal conflict. Otherwise there would be too many voices to pay attention to. At any rate I probably have made what Crowley called the connection with the HGA. I recommend to all others to lose their conditioning as well so that your voice comes through. It's really pretty wonderful to find your own voice in this world going on three thousand years of the Dark Ages. It also doesn't really depend on anyone or anything outside of your own aggregated persona. Crowley was really a rather profound individual. May we all develop the still inner voice of knowing and leave internal conflict behind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 8:50 AM, off_program_beings wrote: > > > Or maybe they are just enjoying the bliss after 30 years of TM and > > have slowed down their evolution. Nothing wrong with that. > > You might want to consider that they may have accelerated their > evolution. > > Here's why. > > If they were "enjoying bliss" this phrase is a dead giveaway. True > bliss consciousness is an integrated state of awareness--not something > enjoyable within time per se. One of the big pitfalls of mantra > meditation (outside of bhakti) is that the person gets attached to > their own bliss sheath. Many of the sages of the tradition warn against > this. The reason is that the bliss body (or sheath) is just another > veil of ignorance and this is identified by having three modifications: > anticipating that joy, being delighted about it after you acquired the > "bliss" and the actual experience of bliss. If your experience of bliss > has any of these qualifications, then guess what: it's ignorance. > Blissignorance. > > The Jivan-mukti-vivkeka, the standard text on CC, is a great companion > for those who are interested in Cosmic Consciousness, and has some > really poignant warnings for those who would be bliss-kittens. > > Purr not!>>> I do not have time to answer you and Alex's long patronising monologues. The fact of the matter is that you and Alex don't understand TM. Your posts shine that reality out almost every time. Your ego prevents you from seeing this. An INSIGHTFUL person who has learned TM and TM-sidhis will see it. I am not going to explain it, because your arguments are so inconsistent with reasoning that it would be a waste of time. Your understadning of bliss, transcending, and enlightenment are merely pseudo-scholarly diaoreah. You and others are spreading ignorance about meditation and enlightenment. And, it is VERY clear from your posts that you believe that YOU are the only one that knows. Your knowledge is all mixed up and confused. You are like a bible-thumper, spewing whatever comes to mind and interpreting it any way they choose in order to spread their agenda. I'll take the Buddha's advice on this one: "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > I've seen much discussion of these rumors in the dozen years I've > > been online, and I've yet to see anyone present hard evidence for any > > of them. If there is substantiated evidence that MMY poisoned GD, why > > was he not placed on trial? IIRC, L B Shriver investigated the > > situation on his travels to India and didn't come away with much or > > any reason to believe the rumors were true. > Vaj said > No I don't think there is any evidence that M. poisoned him, just that > he was poisoned. > > There are some circumstantial suspicions surrounding M. but nothing > solid.>> Total gossip bullshit. This post shows what an utter lunatic you are. It makes clear why all your pseudo-scholarship that you continually spew is devoid of any real reasoning and insight. It merely shows your anti-TM fundamentalism , and this runs through ALL your posts. You are a fundamentalist nut. There is no middle path for you. You are as far a way from Buddha as a person could get. Adios. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Your posts seem to be mainly "moodmaking". -I agree, much of the good in the world follows emotion and/or moods. Wow, proper mood is often the antidote to many evils that plague us. Ever woke up in a bad mood? Treated people mean most of the day, caused a lot of bad feelings, many of which persisted to this time? People maybe still treating you like shit, because you once pissed in their coffee. If one could antidote their badness then they would have better responses from those around them, and in return get more good moods from others and then have a more upbeat life. Mood isn't everything but it's very important. I'll never forget one day when I was in a rage. I just felt suicidal and hostile. So I said fuck it and did my very short Chod practice from Troma's Laughter. The simple three page practice totally flipped my mood and pacified my mind. Then I just felt so much better. It's not that anything at all had changed in my life but merely that I had reordered my existance from inside out. I had put the demons back in their place. I had returned the tricky genie of my attachment back to the bottle. Mood isn't everything but it's very important. In fact, had Maharishi taken this into account, and had utilized the age old techniques of songs of devotion before his talks and so on and recreated a certain respectful bhava within the Movement then people would much more likely have stuck around longer. Devotion is a mood, especially at first. A mood of caring and love for the topic and its speaker. What is the reverse? Fear instilled by the topic and its speaker until one has a callous made of the mood of fear and hate. This fear then is also a mood, but also a vritti which will prevent further deeper levels of internal silence from ever occuring. It's much easier to transcend on a pure devotional bhava than on an impure fearful bhava. Which is why the bhakti also yogas. One needs to make the break from all aspects of the discursive mind in order to break vritti, burn karmic seeds and basically transcend. If the mind is conditioned through lifetimes of fear and hate to recreate those feelings over and over then no peace will ever be had. It depends not who or what the reason for their occurance, they are not healthy. People have indulged the mood of selfishness forever, how about trying the mood of generosity? When one experiences clinging attachment in the mind then one should know that what one really feels is the lack of positive self worth. No ideal relationship can be built upon that cllinging attachment and lack of self worth. If the real guru is a friend for more than one life then he will return again. No clinging attachment is necesary. This clinging attachment and self fear and lack that are the very enemies of the tantric. No real tantric is defined by or through such feelings or bad moods. But quite the contrary, a real guru frees one from such internal dualities and returns one to their internal home in -it's-all-good-ville. Because life is all good. It's a gift of the greatest and most mystical sort. The notion that this world itself is evil or bad or wrong is a serious mental mistake in understanding of the very source of life as divinity. One can't rise above internal dualism and see through to the Creator without mood making the positive bhava as an antidote to the evil of the self clinging and internal fear that is the real source of all mankind made wars and tribulations. A little positivity goes a long way. That's no mood after all but simple fact. Glory to the Positive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha Quote # 1
The quote is mis-attributed. It is NOT from the Dhammapadda, it is from the Kalama Sutta G --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I did search on the previous quote and no one anywhere had the exact scriptural reference. Moreover the quote is so pervasive that it's platitudinal at this point. I like the below better as well. Believing nothing makes Buddha sound nihilist as many think and that's not true or the basis for acting upon karma would be pointless. Buddha taught the eightfold way right upon the heels of the 4 great truths. Proper action is ever at the heart of Buddhism. > - Original Message - > From: Vaj > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddha Quote # 1 > > > I prefer: > > "Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide." > -Dharma-pada > -- Buddha Shakyamuni > > On May 16, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > on 5/16/05 4:09 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > "Believe nothing. > No matter where you read it, > Or who said it, > Even if I have said it, > Unless it agrees with your own reason > And your own common sense." > > ~ Buddha > 6th century bce Indian mystic and founder of Buddhism from The > Dhammapada > > > Any of you Buddhists know if this is a valid quote? Might add it to the home > page. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If they were "enjoying bliss" this phrase is a dead giveaway. True > bliss consciousness is an integrated state of awareness--not something > enjoyable within time per se. One of the big pitfalls of mantra > meditation (outside of bhakti) is that the person gets attached to > their own bliss sheath. Many of the sages of the tradition warn against > this. The reason is that the bliss body (or sheath) is just another > veil of ignorance and this is identified by having three modifications: > anticipating that joy, being delighted about it after you acquired the > "bliss" and the actual experience of bliss. If your experience of bliss > has any of these qualifications, then guess what: it's ignorance. > Blissignorance. > > The Jivan-mukti-vivkeka, the standard text on CC, is a great companion > for those who are interested in Cosmic Consciousness, and has some > really poignant warnings for those who would be bliss-kittens. > > Purr not! Previously you brought up the point of the role of bliss to explore emptiness. And provided an article that spoke of or alluded to many methods to generate bliss. Heruka appears to be a sophisticated approach that applies bliss to emptiness of both "inner" and "outer" Above you refer to "the actual experience of bliss" as one of the three pitfalls of bliss and is ignorance. These views appear contradictory. Can you clarify your understanding of these points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
What evidence could be had? And yet there is the rumour which many believe which itself is evidence of something which pervades some people's mindstreams. Some wrong doing laid at Maharishi's feet. There's the uneasy sense of something stinking, and many experience that regardless of any evidence, just as they sense Sai baba is a fake and sick pederast, and many more things besides, like how I feel huge antipathy towards Nirmala devi when never having met her. The mind stream is not limited to the body, nor to some small aspect of time or space. If you think it is then try this simple experiment. Look at your hand, now move it slowly in front of your eyes from right to left. The mind just pervaded the hand through time. The hand was included in mind which existed pervasively through time. Upon further evaluation one can find that the mind pervades the entire universe for all time. So in that sphere is a great machine of thoughts which pour from one to another smaller mind streams like a series of waterspouts catching and collecting the last. One might not know the source exactly of the first spoutings but yet they remain. They had enough solidity to work their way into the collective myth even now just as the charges of muder will linger with Maharishi for all his days and all the days of the movement, for those so expanded as to see. Therefore, there is truth to them, if not literal or provable. In fact the fact that they are unprovable is what makes them linger because he never sought or was presented with the opportunity to clear himself. Not clearing oneself is always a mistake. And only people with things to hide make that mistake, often fatally. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > On May 17, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:> > > IMO, if the Kaplans are still clinging to the> > unsubstantiated rumors> > surrounding Guru Dev's death> > Well these aren't "unsubstantiated rumors" Alex regarding> Swami Brahmananda's death. They are quite well known.I've seen much discussion of these rumors in the dozen years I'vebeen online, and I've yet to see anyone present hard evidence for anyof them. If there is substantiated evidence that MMY poisoned GD, whywas he not placed on trial? IIRC, L B Shriver investigated thesituation on his travels to India and didn't come away with much orany reason to believe the rumors were true.I just chalk it up to the ugly, interfactional, spiritual politics ofIndia. Frankly, from all the endless bitching and fighting over theJyotir Math seat since GD's passing, I think it would have beenbetter had the seat again been left vacant until someone worthy of itcame along.AlexTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bliss
Previously you brought up the point of the role of bliss to exploreemptiness. And provided an article that spoke of or alluded to manymethods to generate bliss. Heruka appears to be a sophisticatedapproach that applies bliss to emptiness of both "inner" and "outer" Above you refer to "the actual experience of bliss" as one of thethree pitfalls of bliss and is ignorance. These views appear contradictory. Can you clarify your understandingof these points.If I may take a stab. Bliss is valuable to pacify the mind so that one may be content to make positive headway in their practice. Later, bliss might even be the grace of the enlightened state. But at no time is bliss to predominate and derail one from further efforts at liberating their mind stream. This seems to often be the case with me. When I do TM I find great bliss. It increases at a very quick rate. Pretty soon I don't feel like working, or playing, or doing anything else but TM and other fun things. Fortunately, or infortunately my karma is such that I have to destroy that bliss and whatever expansive gains of sadhana through my profession of cooking. On the flipside I find that after I have overcome my prejudices to life without bliss life becomes just as satisfying as the blissful meditation phase was. In other words, for me, bliss supports my introspection but also makes me fearful of outrospection. The proscriptions mean to me just this, one should not fall into the hole of bliss to the extreme that they cannot function without it. It is after all a side product of meditation and not the goal of liberation. Later it might be the gift of grace. At any rate, if ones karma supports perfect bliss then good for you. But one should not pander their birthright as divine for the taste of it. That's the same as crack addiction. Bliss is grace but not liberation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bliss
On May 17, 2005, at 10:24 AM, akasha_108 wrote: > Above you refer to "the actual experience of bliss" as one of the > three pitfalls of bliss and is ignorance. Attachment to bliss is not bliss applied as the path. Bliss has to experienced as inseparable from emptiness. While advaita says one thing (i.e. my previous quote that you mention), the tummo tradition says a similar thing. It ain't about an attachment to bliss by itself--it has to be still meditation for Brahman (advaita View) or inseparable from emptiness--the union of bliss-and-emptiness (View of anuttara-tantra). The intention is very important. I like the way advaita puts this as the three modifications. IIRC correctly tummo describe the same modifications, but I don't have the text in front of me now. There are paths which unite these two Views. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/16/05 11:51 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > >> I was thinking today that if Bob could spend a week or even a day > as a fly >> on the wall in Maharishi¹s apartment he would be utterly shocked. > What he >> observed would be at complete odds with the concepts he¹s been > clinging to >> all these years > > ** > > You're displaying your usual denseness here, Rick. Practice of TM has > nothing to do with MMY. What do you mean by this? (Bear with me, I'm pretty dense.) >Your idiot claims and the Kaplans' insane > claims are just a function of huge blocks of stress in the ole > nervous system that do not permit further growth in this lifetime. Perhaps the fact that I bother to make them indicates a stress, but it has no bearing on the objective reality of the things being claimed. There's plenty of evidence for those. > After a few turns in the doggie kingdom, you n them'll be back and > more receptive to genuine spiritual growth. Always reassuring to have my future predicted with such certainty by a bona fide seer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/16/05 11:54 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I agree that perhaps 25% of the stuff in that letter was nutty > speculation. >> But the other 75% was pretty sensible. If you were to talk to the > Kaplans, >> they wouldn't strike you as flipped out. Disillusioned, > entertaining some >> kooky theories they heard from some swami to try make sense of their >> experience in the Movement, but not flipped out. Remember, these > are guys >> who spend more time with Maharishi in the last decade than almost > anyone. >> They may be in a better position than you to evaluate some things. > > * > > Hmm. Let's see, MMY is siphoning off energy from people practicing > the Siddhis? Would anybody not out of their freakin' mind think that > this is true. NO! That's part of the 25% kooky. > > And, once again, MMY does not matter one way or the other in the > practice of TM/Siddhis. Maybe not. Or maybe the efficacy and legitimacy of the techniques are correlated with the man who devised them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
As a kid I was given diksha by a devotee of Guru Dattatreya. Then given 5=5 initiation into the actual Golden Dawn by MC (name withheld), the direct lineal hierophant of Isreal Regardie. Later, I studied with an Indian medicine Man named Bearheart. Later I got TM, six advanced techniques, sidhis, and yet later I took Vajrayana vows and got many abishekas. No one teaching contradicted another because there has never been a place for contradictions in my heart. There are many people especially amongst certain very open minded liberal groups of certain gurus like Chogyal Namkhai Norbu who are able to reconcile that they contain many lineages of teachings in their mindstreams without the need to reconcile those teachings into a strident categorization. This neither makes them deluded, spiritually materialistic, or crazy, or even bad practiitioners. Rather it does show a true unitarian and egalitarian yearing and desire to find truely universal truth as opposed to some small niche of truths. I applaud him for his efforts and see much much very esoteric prowess and lack of self delusion in his teachings. I pray that his detractors might someday come to universal awakening and appreciation for truth in all its myriad forms as well. Personally I am contemplating becoming a Voudoun priest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money on 5/17/05 12:11 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I know him. The fool used to try to bilk me when I was a student and patently poor. He was such a freaking fanatic that he would rail at me like I was some dogshit who knew nothing when I was like the most on the program person ever. It was just really sick and out of touch. I'll never forget his face the last time I went to MIU in 93 or so during the 7000 for 7000 or whatever dipshit platitude they epitapthed to it. Where I was so poor that I was putting together furniture in the phone sales office at 4th just to buy rasayanas, and my wife had paid my plane travel and course fees. I had not another single cent to my name anywhere on earth. But he still just couldn't get that through his head. He railed on and on about shit. It drove me away from TMO never to want to return. He's not the only reason but it really helped. I thought, I used to see all these busstop preachers preaching the Hal Linden doom and gloom of the Apocalypse in LA and here it is now at MIU. That was the beginning of the end for me. I lay the final image in my mind of MIU at his feet. Yup, that’s Einar all right. He did that to guys on Purusha too. Drove them nuts preaching to them about how off the program they were, until he flipped out and had to be heavily drugged and put on the cigars and meat program. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
You are as far a way from Buddha as a person could get. Adios.-An irony if ever there was one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, at the very least I feel sorry for him having backed minself into a corner. He has all the money and power in the world but can't set foot in India or anywhere else on the planet for fear of being hauled into court for one thing or another, most usually tax evasion. This narcissist has made himself an ivory tower for sure. This brought to my mind this poem of Rabindranath Tagore: PRISONER `Prisoner, tell me, who was it that bound you?' `It was my master,' said the prisoner. `I thought I could outdo everybody in the world in wealth and power, and I amassed in my own treasure-house the money due to my king. When sleep overcame me I lay upon the bed that was for my lord, and on waking up I found I was a prisoner in my own treasure-house.' `Prisoner, tell me, who was it that wrought this unbreakable chain?' `It was I,' said the prisoner, `who forged this chain very carefully. I thought my invincible power would hold the world captive leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip.' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wealth and reincarnation
on 5/17/05 12:33 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Sure he could be the Itihasa of evil incarnate and a good study for > what not to do for evey person on Earth. But he wasn't studied, > history keeps repeating. He's not the worst mass murderer, Stalin > was, and Mao, Pol Pot and wow, so many other competitors now. So > surely his so called evolved whatever, (what, what was evolved about > him again I forget, ) just puts some dismal spin on some deluded > notion which isn't worth a fart near a fan. Hitler just plain old > sucked shit. Only the worlds biggest fucking idiot would stand up for > anything he represented. And I guess that shows Maharishi for what he > is. If you accept my definition of Hitler. > > Of course if you liked Hitler then you should love Maharishi. Please > make sure you read his whacked letter to dictators, ah here it is for > the newcommers to this group. I am not making this up.: > > ** > > Not that it would slow down your psycho ass for a second, but you > might want to read the end of the letter, which is not from > Maharishi, as you claim, but from King Tony. He signed it, but you can bet he didn't dream it up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Mr. Briganti says: "After a few turns in the doggie kingdom, you n them'll be back and more receptive to genuine spiritual growth." Come on sit back and enjoy, this guy is hysterical!! ThereÕs got to be a place for him; perhaps a Ministry of Silly Thoughts? --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
One thing t3rinity (if that is her real name) doesn't seem to get is that a Nath is all these things. I always liked the traditional statement that the Naths 'practiced Hinduism by day and Buddhism by night'. Love it. Voudoun priest? You're a Nath if I ever heard one. On May 17, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Llundrub wrote: As a kid I was given diksha by a devotee of Guru Dattatreya. Then given 5=5 initiation into the actual Golden Dawn by MC (name withheld), the direct lineal hierophant of Isreal Regardie. Later, I studied with an Indian medicine Man named Bearheart. Later I got TM, six advanced techniques, sidhis, and yet later I took Vajrayana vows and got many abishekas. No one teaching contradicted another because there has never been a place for contradictions in my heart. There are many people especially amongst certain very open minded liberal groups of certain gurus like Chogyal Namkhai Norbu who are able to reconcile that they contain many lineages of teachings in their mindstreams without the need to reconcile those teachings into a strident categorization. This neither makes them deluded, spiritually materialistic, or crazy, or even bad practiitioners. Rather it does show a true unitarian and egalitarian yearing and desire to find truely universal truth as opposed to some small niche of truths. I applaud him for his efforts and see much much very esoteric prowess and lack of self delusion in his teachings. I pray that his detractors might someday come to universal awakening and appreciation for truth in all its myriad forms as well. Personally I am contemplating becoming a Voudoun priest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/17/05 1:53 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > * > > Look sport, you really are a pissant, I don't care how much money you > have that seems to give a sense of entitlement to talk to people like > you do here (not an unusual flaw in the rich -- ask people who have > dealt with Donald Trump and other arrogant rich clowns). I've simply > pointed out how insane the Kaplans' claims (that MMY has been > siphoning off energy from people doing the Siddhis) are, and instead > of dealing with that fact, that the Kaplans are strictly delusional, > you need to attack me for questioning their sanity? Screw you. > > As far as my attitude towards MMY, he's a great saint, but when he > dies in a few years, I will continue to meditate then exactly the > same as I do now, so your insistence that I have a problem with > thinking about MMY is just a product of your snot-filled brain. > > If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite > whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, > including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about > vampirism that they do, then I would not say that they are > disordered -- but they are, and it's a shame that they are unable to > expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced > happily for years. > > Bob We'll you fulfilled Cliff's prediction, to no one's surprise. Just because some of the Kaplan's claims are far-fetched, does that invalidate them all? They have no proof of astral energy sucking, but they have first-hand knowledge of money dealings. Hey, Maharishi has claimed all kinds of wild stuff. Does that invalidate everything else he ever said? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Einer flipped out, Rick? I could see that. there was always this schizotypal quality about him. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/17/05 12:11 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Yeah I know him. The fool used to try to bilk me > when I was a student and > > patently poor. He was such a freaking fanatic that > he would rail at me like I > > was some dogshit who knew nothing when I was like > the most on the program > > person ever. It was just really sick and out of > touch. I'll never forget his > > face the last time I went to MIU in 93 or so > during the 7000 for 7000 or > > whatever dipshit platitude they epitapthed to it. > Where I was so poor that I > > was putting together furniture in the phone sales > office at 4th just to buy > > rasayanas, and my wife had paid my plane travel > and course fees. I had not > > another single cent to my name anywhere on earth. > But he still just couldn't > > get that through his head. He railed on and on > about shit. It drove me away > > from TMO never to want to return. He's not the > only reason but it really > > helped. I thought, I used to see all these busstop > preachers preaching the Hal > > Linden doom and gloom of the Apocalypse in LA and > here it is now at MIU. That > > was the beginning of the end for me. I lay the > final image in my mind of MIU > > at his feet. > >> > Yup, that¹s Einar all right. He did that to guys on > Purusha too. Drove them > nuts preaching to them about how off the program > they were, until he flipped > out and had to be heavily drugged and put on the > cigars and meat program. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
on 5/17/05 1:58 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Good one, Unc. One thing to throw into the equation in pondering who > M is >> and what made him tick is the darshan factor. Couldn't have been my >> imagination. The man radiated pure consciousness like a blast furnace. >> Something profound going on there. You spoke of meditating in Rama's >> presence. Same with me and M, whether or not I was meditating. If I > were, >> I'd sink like a stone. > > Well, this probably won't make me popular here, but > *for whatever reason*, and I make no judgements on > this...it's just a subjective experience...during all > the time I spent around Maharishi I never felt anything > I would class as darshan. And meditating with him, even > a few feet away, was no different than meditating on my > own. This could mean absolutely nothing...it could be > simply my own makeup, and its resonance or non-resonance > with different types of auras, it could be anything. > But that's how it seemed to me. It's one reason that, > for me, he was never anything but a seemingly nice guy > who seemed (at the time) dedicated to teaching meditation > to a lot of people. That, and some entertaining but not > terribly brilliant (compared to others I had read) talks > on the mechanics of consciousness was all there was for > me personally in Maharishi. Go figure. Again, different > strokes for different folks...not "better," not "worse," > just different. Each of us has his own subjective > experience, and gets to make of it what he wants. > I think it's a good system... As you say, it could have been my personal connection with him, or maybe just the fact that I was so fervently devoted from my side that I psyched myself into a good meditation or darshan experience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
As a kid I was heavily conflicted. At one point after learning TM I sold all my hundreds of occult books to Bodhi Tree Bookstore and with the money (not much) bought Radindranath Tagore and Kahlil Gibran. I kept only my Crowley Books, which I later donated to MIU library. I loved Tagore. Kudos to him, and you. May Maharishi reach Tagore's peace of mind and warmth of spirit. - Original Message - From: Irmeli Mattsson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> Well, at the very least I feel sorry for him having backed minselfinto a corner. He has all the money and power in the world but can'tset foot in India or anywhere else on the planet for fear of beinghauled into court for one thing or another, most usually tax evasion.This narcissist has made himself an ivory tower for sure. This brought to my mind this poem of Rabindranath Tagore:PRISONER`Prisoner, tell me, who was it that bound you?' `It was my master,' said the prisoner. `I thought I could outdo everybody in the world in wealth and power, and I amassed in my own treasure-house the money due to my king. When sleep overcame me I lay upon the bed that was for my lord, and on waking up I found I was a prisoner in my own treasure-house.' `Prisoner, tell me, who was it that wrought this unbreakable chain?' `It was I,' said the prisoner, `who forged this chain very carefully. I thought my invincible power would hold the world captive leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip.' To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
We'll you fulfilled Cliff's prediction, to no one's surprise. Just becausesome of the Kaplan's claims are far-fetched, does that invalidate them all?They have no proof of astral energy sucking, but they have first-handknowledge of money dealings. Hey, Maharishi has claimed all kinds of wildstuff. Does that invalidate everything else he ever said?To wit, if money is Brahman Consciousness as MMY's Raam Mudra was portrayed, then that does ipso facto make MMY a Brahman Consciousness conman. Out to suck the Brahman Consciousness away from all through any means possible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
I also experienced the most profound Darshan with Maharishi, that leaves a deep impression on me. From the first time, I felt in his presence a deep bond and light eminating from him, that surprised me, in it's intensity. Of course, there's the fame factor, and the charisma factor; but nonetheless, there's no one in my experience of Darshan who even comes close; for me. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/17/05 1:58 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Good one, Unc. One thing to throw into the equation in pondering who > > M is > >> and what made him tick is the darshan factor. Couldn't have been my > >> imagination. The man radiated pure consciousness like a blast furnace. > >> Something profound going on there. You spoke of meditating in Rama's > >> presence. Same with me and M, whether or not I was meditating. If I > > were, > >> I'd sink like a stone. > > > > Well, this probably won't make me popular here, but > > *for whatever reason*, and I make no judgements on > > this...it's just a subjective experience...during all > > the time I spent around Maharishi I never felt anything > > I would class as darshan. And meditating with him, even > > a few feet away, was no different than meditating on my > > own. This could mean absolutely nothing...it could be > > simply my own makeup, and its resonance or non-resonance > > with different types of auras, it could be anything. > > But that's how it seemed to me. It's one reason that, > > for me, he was never anything but a seemingly nice guy > > who seemed (at the time) dedicated to teaching meditation > > to a lot of people. That, and some entertaining but not > > terribly brilliant (compared to others I had read) talks > > on the mechanics of consciousness was all there was for > > me personally in Maharishi. Go figure. Again, different > > strokes for different folks...not "better," not "worse," > > just different. Each of us has his own subjective > > experience, and gets to make of it what he wants. > > I think it's a good system... > > As you say, it could have been my personal connection with him, or maybe > just the fact that I was so fervently devoted from my side that I psyched > myself into a good meditation or darshan experience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
Thanks bro. I just feel that Voudoun will be more appliable here in New Orleans than some other Mahayogas. Often one is a failure in their pursuits through not applying the proper sort of baksheesh to the lowly chain of command. It would be a shame if a yogi cracked his head open on a rock by not paying attention to the rock in the street. I think everything can be held within the trekcho. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit One thing t3rinity (if that is her real name) doesn't seem to get is that a Nath is all these things. I always liked the traditional statement that the Naths 'practiced Hinduism by day and Buddhism by night'. Love it.Voudoun priest? You're a Nath if I ever heard one.On May 17, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Llundrub wrote: As a kid I was given diksha by a devotee of Guru Dattatreya. Then given 5=5 initiation into the actual Golden Dawn by MC (name withheld), the direct lineal hierophant of Isreal Regardie. Later, I studied with an Indian medicine Man named Bearheart. Later I got TM, six advanced techniques, sidhis, and yet later I took Vajrayana vows and got many abishekas. No one teaching contradicted another because there has never been a place for contradictions in my heart. There are many people especially amongst certain very open minded liberal groups of certain gurus like Chogyal Namkhai Norbu who are able to reconcile that they contain many lineages of teachings in their mindstreams without the need to reconcile those teachings into a strident categorization. This neither makes them deluded, spiritually materialistic, or crazy, or even bad practiitioners. Rather it does show a true unitarian and egalitarian yearing and desire to find truely universal truth as opposed to some small niche of truths. I applaud him for his efforts and see much much very esoteric prowess and lack of self delusion in his teachings. I pray that his detractors might someday come to universal awakening and appreciation for truth in all its myriad forms as well. Personally I am contemplating becoming a Voudoun priest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a kid I was given diksha by a devotee of Guru Dattatreya. Then given 5=5 initiation into the actual Golden Dawn by MC (name withheld), the direct lineal hierophant of Isreal Regardie. Later, I studied with an Indian medicine Man named Bearheart. Later I got TM, six advanced techniques, sidhis, and yet later I took Vajrayana vows and got many abishekas. No one teaching contradicted another because there has never been a place for contradictions in my heart. That point here is, it's perfectly allright, if you can see the actual unity underlying all these teachings. You may see how far you get on any one way. But Vaj/Steve is just using one teaching to trash the other, constantly confusing Sanskrit terms, and instructing long term TMers posing as the expert in everything. > There are many people especially amongst certain very open minded liberal groups of certain gurus like Chogyal Namkhai Norbu who are able to reconcile that they contain many lineages of teachings in their mindstreams without the need to reconcile those teachings into a strident categorization. This neither makes them deluded, spiritually materialistic, or crazy, or even bad practiitioners. But are they trashing these other practises? Are they playing out one teaching against the other? >Rather it does show a true unitarian and egalitarian yearing and desire to find truely universal truth as opposed to some small niche of truths. No problem with that principally. > > I applaud him for his efforts and see much much very esoteric prowess and lack of self delusion in his teachings. I pray that his detractors might someday come to universal awakening and appreciation for truth in all its myriad forms as well. > > Personally I am contemplating becoming a Voudoun priest. Congratulations ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fw: [SAMVA] Sights and Sounds of Outer Space
Cool. Thanks David for the link. - Original Message - From: David Hawthorne To: David Hawthorne Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: [SAMVA] Sights and Sounds of Outer Space Dear Friends: You may like this website: http://www.spacesounds.com/home/index.html Not only are the sounds mesmorizing, but also click on "spacesounds navigator", and then click on any of the planets to see their orbits and hear their sounds. Pretty great website for astrologers, scientists, mystics, etc.. Best wishes, David Hawthorne To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing t3rinity (if that is her real name) You can look up my profile. My name is written there. > doesn't seem to get is > that a Nath is all these things. Well, for one thing, Nathists are not Advaitins. They maybe similar, but they are not the same. The despise of the strict logic of a Shankara. Apart from that the Nath sampradaya is a separate Sampradaya from Shankara. You either belong to that one or to Shankara. It's like you can't be a Catholic and a Lutherian at the same time. That's actually the attitude of many Westerners: To get into all these different Indian groups,get initiated everywhere, just because they are Indian and 'all is one'. But the Indians find it funny. >I always liked the traditional > statement that the Naths 'practiced Hinduism by day and Buddhism by > night'. Love it. You go to the Kumbha Mela, you ask a Sadhu to which sampradaya he belongs to, and he will tell you it's Nath, its Shankara, its Vaishnava, but not all at the same time. In fact Shankara swamis are very much into traditional rituals, while Naths abhorr rituals and temple worship. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money on 5/17/05 5:52 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Sorry Bob for lombasting you. It's fairly clear to me now that you're just sort of crochety, but maybe not much more whacked than that. Too late to start over and dall that. That's ok. I'm sorry. I'll never lay into you again. It's just sort of meaningless anyway, and makes me seem like a jerk. I went to a concert in Des Moines last week with a guy who used to work with Bob in Avon Park. He said Bob has a very wry sense of humor. Reportedly some guy died and Bob’s comment was something like, “Oh well, we didn’t need him anyway.” In context, my friend said it was pretty funny. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] new world order (was wealth and reincarnation)
on 5/17/05 6:23 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What the hell is "the Bell of Eureka"? This is insane. > What a humiliation! The whole thing is going to fail > because some moron is using some misplaced tantric > double-talk phrase that will confuse the great peace > loving dictators of the world. My God! what a disastor > in the making! Ring my bell of Eureka! > -Peter It's an invincibility bell you dolt. I was there when we gave one to Ferdinand Marcos while 400 Governors shouted "Hail President Marcos, Invincibility to President Marcos" repeatedly in unison. You don't know the first thing about coddling a dictator. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/17/05 10:15 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Einer flipped out, Rick? I could see that. there was > always this schizotypal quality about him. He flipped out big time at the Manor. Straight jacket stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
on 5/17/05 10:33 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I also experienced the most profound Darshan with Maharishi, that > leaves a deep impression on me. From the first time, I felt in his > presence a deep bond and light eminating from him, that surprised > me, in it's intensity. > Of course, there's the fame factor, and the charisma factor; but > nonetheless, there's no one in my experience of Darshan who even > comes close; for me. Maybe you ought to meet Ammachi. She's got the same juice, IMO. Peter says the same of Sri Shi Ravi Shankar. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit
Ah nevermind the Voudoun thing. Every time I contemplate it I get bad omens. It's I guess just a very dualistic religion and not of the highest self liberation calibre. I admit I find it fascinating but I Ching tells me, "darkening of the light, do not rely on those with bad intentions." And for the moving lines, "Stagnation, decline, don't make such allies." I was hoping that they also had some secret doctrine of truth within, but I cannot find it anywhere. Does anyone know anything about Voodoo? - Original Message - From: Llundrub To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit Thanks bro. I just feel that Voudoun will be more appliable here in New Orleans than some other Mahayogas. Often one is a failure in their pursuits through not applying the proper sort of baksheesh to the lowly chain of command. It would be a shame if a yogi cracked his head open on a rock by not paying attention to the rock in the street. I think everything can be held within the trekcho. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Bullshit One thing t3rinity (if that is her real name) doesn't seem to get is that a Nath is all these things. I always liked the traditional statement that the Naths 'practiced Hinduism by day and Buddhism by night'. Love it.Voudoun priest? You're a Nath if I ever heard one.On May 17, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Llundrub wrote: As a kid I was given diksha by a devotee of Guru Dattatreya. Then given 5=5 initiation into the actual Golden Dawn by MC (name withheld), the direct lineal hierophant of Isreal Regardie. Later, I studied with an Indian medicine Man named Bearheart. Later I got TM, six advanced techniques, sidhis, and yet later I took Vajrayana vows and got many abishekas. No one teaching contradicted another because there has never been a place for contradictions in my heart. There are many people especially amongst certain very open minded liberal groups of certain gurus like Chogyal Namkhai Norbu who are able to reconcile that they contain many lineages of teachings in their mindstreams without the need to reconcile those teachings into a strident categorization. This neither makes them deluded, spiritually materialistic, or crazy, or even bad practiitioners. Rather it does show a true unitarian and egalitarian yearing and desire to find truely universal truth as opposed to some small niche of truths. I applaud him for his efforts and see much much very esoteric prowess and lack of self delusion in his teachings. I pray that his detractors might someday come to universal awakening and appreciation for truth in all its myriad forms as well. Personally I am contemplating becoming a Voudoun priest.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/17/05 10:33 AM, Robert Gimbel at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I also experienced the most profound Darshan with > Maharishi, that > > leaves a deep impression on me. From the first > time, I felt in his > > presence a deep bond and light eminating from him, > that surprised > > me, in it's intensity. > > Of course, there's the fame factor, and the > charisma factor; but > > nonetheless, there's no one in my experience of > Darshan who even > > comes close; for me. > > Maybe you ought to meet Ammachi. She's got the same > juice, IMO. Peter says > the same of Sri Shi Ravi Shankar. For me Ravi is smokin', just like MMY was. But I believe a lot of it has to do with your dharma/karma with these people. For example I hugged Ammachi at a satsang about 16 years ago and it was zilch. But that doesn't mean anything. My spiritual path has nothing to do with Ammachi, that's all. Even with Sri Sri, it took a couple of years before I experienced anything. Then it was/is quite powerful and very delightful. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/17/05 10:15 AM, Peter Sutphen at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Einer flipped out, Rick? I could see that. there > was > > always this schizotypal quality about him. > > He flipped out big time at the Manor. Straight > jacket stuff. Too bad. How is he today? Many people that have the genetic propensity for psychosis never fully recover. They're always a little "off" in some way. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] new world order (was wealth and reincarnation)
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/17/05 6:23 AM, Peter Sutphen at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What the hell is "the Bell of Eureka"? This is > insane. > > What a humiliation! The whole thing is going to > fail > > because some moron is using some misplaced tantric > > double-talk phrase that will confuse the great > peace > > loving dictators of the world. My God! what a > disastor > > in the making! Ring my bell of Eureka! > > -Peter > > It's an invincibility bell you dolt. I was there > when we gave one to > Ferdinand Marcos while 400 Governors shouted "Hail > President Marcos, > Invincibility to President Marcos" repeatedly in > unison. You don't know the > first thing about coddling a dictator. Apparently not! Ah the madness! Will it ever end? Probably not until there's not an iota of attachment or resistence to anything. Then MMY will say, "Thank God, I'm done!" and drop the body. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mark bullshit was V....
On May 17, 2005, at 11:50 AM, t3rinity wrote: > Well, for one thing, Nathists are not Advaitins. They maybe similar, > but they are not the same. The despise of the strict logic of a > Shankara. Apart from that the Nath sampradaya is a separate Sampradaya > from Shankara. You either belong to that one or to Shankara. It's like > you can't be a Catholic and a Lutherian at the same time. That's > actually the attitude of many Westerners: To get into all these > different Indian groups,get initiated everywhere, just because they > are Indian and 'all is one'. But the Indians find it funny. Well this is not entirely true. Naths are not limited, number one. Two they are unlikely to be Adavaita Vedantists. But there is more than one advaita Mark. As I have stated before I am not a Vedantin. Numerous Mahasiddhas were Buddhist and Hindu. And there are Tibetan Buddhists who are/were Hindu. My Nath teacher was recognized as a lama, a paramahamsha, a Nath and a saint etc. There are no limits, only ones we create. I don't believe one should be condemned for being initiated by sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order--esp. since you have no clue as to what that actually was! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 1:45 AM, Rick wrote: > > > One more problem with Buddhismit's an ism > > It's just another bad translation. Real name: "Dharma" or > "Buddha-Dharma". Much like "Hinduism" which is a poor translation of > something not so simple. Thats a much better name... Buddha-Dharma. The whole idea in a compact form. Ism is inertia. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/17/05 11:27 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 5/17/05 10:15 AM, Peter Sutphen at >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Einer flipped out, Rick? I could see that. there >> was >>> always this schizotypal quality about him. >> >> He flipped out big time at the Manor. Straight >> jacket stuff. > > Too bad. How is he today? Many people that have the > genetic propensity for psychosis never fully recover. > They're always a little "off" in some way. I would say he's a little "off" (pot calling the kettle black?) but he's a sincere, ardent seeker. He just got married to someone he just met on the recert course and is headed to San Antonio to do the Peace Palace in the mall thing. Sounds like a nice big bundle of karma to me. I wish him the best. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
on 5/17/05 11:25 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Maybe you ought to meet Ammachi. She's got the same >> juice, IMO. Peter says >> the same of Sri Shi Ravi Shankar. > > For me Ravi is smokin', just like MMY was. But I > believe a lot of it has to do with your dharma/karma > with these people. For example I hugged Ammachi at a > satsang about 16 years ago and it was zilch. There's your problem. You hugged her. Should have been the other way around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
On May 17, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Rick wrote: > > Ism is inertia. It's a eurocentric insult really. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
Therein appears to lie the issue. What IS Enlightenment, anyway?
Let's start with, Enlightenment appears being able to have complete
sychronicity with the Universe. What then is the Universe, other than
our Enlightened perception of it? So I'll amend the previous statement
to read:
Enlightenment is being in complete sychronicity with the Universe,
regardless of what the Universe is doing.
If the Universe is then based on our perception of it, then we are the
same as the Universe. So I'll amend the previous statement:
Enlightenment is being in complete sychronicity with ourselves,
regardless of what we are doing.
This implies three things about Enlightenment:
1. It is non-changing.("regardless of what we are doing")
2. It is non-attachment.("regardless of what we are doing")
3. Suffering is absent. ("regardless of what we are doing")
It also sounds to me:
1. Completely normal.
2. Completely subjective.
3. I'll be right back, have to go wash the dishes.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry"
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> --Or, "they" are really Enlightened but Enlightenment isn't what
it's
> cracked up to be.
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/17/05 1:53 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > * > > > > Look sport, you really are a pissant, I don't care how much money you > > have that seems to give a sense of entitlement to talk to people like > > you do here (not an unusual flaw in the rich -- ask people who have > > dealt with Donald Trump and other arrogant rich clowns). I've simply > > pointed out how insane the Kaplans' claims (that MMY has been > > siphoning off energy from people doing the Siddhis) are, and instead > > of dealing with that fact, that the Kaplans are strictly delusional, > > you need to attack me for questioning their sanity? Screw you. > > > > As far as my attitude towards MMY, he's a great saint, but when he > > dies in a few years, I will continue to meditate then exactly the > > same as I do now, so your insistence that I have a problem with > > thinking about MMY is just a product of your snot-filled brain. > > > > If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite > > whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, > > including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about > > vampirism that they do, then I would not say that they are > > disordered -- but they are, and it's a shame that they are unable to > > expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced > > happily for years. > > > > Bob > > We'll you fulfilled Cliff's prediction, to no one's surprise. Just because > some of the Kaplan's claims are far-fetched, does that invalidate them all? > They have no proof of astral energy sucking, but they have first- hand > knowledge of money dealings. Hey, Maharishi has claimed all kinds of wild > stuff. Does that invalidate everything else he ever said? Democracy works and so does TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/17/05 1:58 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Good one, Unc. One thing to throw into the equation in pondering who > > M is > >> and what made him tick is the darshan factor. Couldn't have been my > >> imagination. The man radiated pure consciousness like a blast furnace. > >> Something profound going on there. You spoke of meditating in Rama's > >> presence. Same with me and M, whether or not I was meditating. If I > > were, > >> I'd sink like a stone. > > > > Well, this probably won't make me popular here, but > > *for whatever reason*, and I make no judgements on > > this...it's just a subjective experience...during all > > the time I spent around Maharishi I never felt anything > > I would class as darshan. And meditating with him, even > > a few feet away, was no different than meditating on my > > own. This could mean absolutely nothing...it could be > > simply my own makeup, and its resonance or non-resonance > > with different types of auras, it could be anything. > > But that's how it seemed to me. It's one reason that, > > for me, he was never anything but a seemingly nice guy > > who seemed (at the time) dedicated to teaching meditation > > to a lot of people. That, and some entertaining but not > > terribly brilliant (compared to others I had read) talks > > on the mechanics of consciousness was all there was for > > me personally in Maharishi. Go figure. Again, different > > strokes for different folks...not "better," not "worse," > > just different. Each of us has his own subjective > > experience, and gets to make of it what he wants. > > I think it's a good system... > > As you say, it could have been my personal connection with him, or maybe > just the fact that I was so fervently devoted from my side that I psyched > myself into a good meditation or darshan experience. Or it could also be that the emission of darshan is equal in its intensity to all around him...BUT because of the nervous system of each individual and the degree and type of stress that each individual possesses the experience of that darshan is different for each individual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money Yeah, but what most people think is wry is merely caraway. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money on 5/17/05 5:52 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Sorry Bob for lombasting you. It's fairly clear to me now that you're just sort of crochety, but maybe not much more whacked than that. Too late to start over and dall that. That's ok. I'm sorry. I'll never lay into you again. It's just sort of meaningless anyway, and makes me seem like a jerk. I went to a concert in Des Moines last week with a guy who used to work with Bob in Avon Park. He said Bob has a very wry sense of humor. Reportedly some guy died and Bobs comment was something like, Oh well, we didnt need him anyway. In context, my friend said it was pretty funny. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mark bullshit was V....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 11:50 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > Well, for one thing, Nathists are not Advaitins. They maybe similar, > > but they are not the same. The despise of the strict logic of a > > Shankara. Apart from that the Nath sampradaya is a separate Sampradaya > > from Shankara. You either belong to that one or to Shankara. It's like > > you can't be a Catholic and a Lutherian at the same time. That's > > actually the attitude of many Westerners: To get into all these > > different Indian groups,get initiated everywhere, just because they > > are Indian and 'all is one'. But the Indians find it funny. > > Well this is not entirely true. Naths are not limited, number one. Two > they are unlikely to be Adavaita Vedantists. But there is more than one > advaita Mark. Michael. > As I have stated before I am not a Vedantin. Oh, I missed that.The YS interpretation you used to cite here was from a strict Advaitic scholastic POV. Btw., you still haven't given the source of that book (engl.Title/Publisher/Translator/ISBN if possible)) > Numerous > Mahasiddhas were Buddhist and Hindu. And there are Tibetan Buddhists > who are/were Hindu. Well, there is a common source, esp. for Tibetan Buddhism. But as a Buddhist, you have to take certain vows. You can't do that as a Hindu. > My Nath teacher was recognized as a lama, a paramahamsha, a Nath and a > saint etc. There are no limits, only ones we create. No there are no limits, but in the relative there are certain channels. You may try several channels, but you may end up doing each one superficially. Where it becomes problematic, is when you start to instruct each channel about the 'true' teaching. > I don't believe one should be condemned for being initiated by > sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order--esp. since you have no clue as > to what that actually was! I am certainly not condemning you Steve. I have been offered many initiations myself, but I have been restrictive, because I know what it involves - if you get diksha, it means you become a desciple. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev Sound Project
Today an additional .mp3 file has been converted and uploaded to the Gurudev webpage at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm The file is good sound quality and is a 'missing' file which appears to preceed two other recordings already on the site. It is over half an hour (about 36MB) and appears to contain a sermon on just why one should get out of the state of thinking brought about by doubts and desires. It is full of jokes, one of which warns of the daughter-in-law who speaks English! Jay Gurudeva To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mark bullshit was V....
On May 17, 2005, at 1:06 PM, t3rinity wrote: > Oh, I missed that.The YS interpretation you used to cite here was from > a strict Advaitic scholastic POV. Btw., you still haven't given the > source of that book (engl.Title/Publisher/Translator/ISBN if possible)) What book are you referring to? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev Sound Project
Dear Paul, please check this page I started at wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati Feel free to make any changes, I just wanted to get it started. edit here: http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Brahmananda_Saraswati&action=edit same here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi it's not representative at all. Please feel free to edit: http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi&action=edit To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
This is one of the most coherent and wise posts on this board in my opinion. Thank you. I had an interesting introduction to Buddhism as a young boy living in Indonesia on the island of Java: my Dad, ever the nomad, took us to see Borobudur near Jogjakarta, on our way east to Bali. It is one of the largest Buddhist monuments in the world. I ran up and down the steps and around the terraces all day. Also reaching into the stupas on the monument as a curious young boy would to touch the seated Buddhas within. Many years later I read that to touch the foot of the Buddha within one of the stupas on Borbudur brings good fortune. Then ten years ago I met a lovely woman to whom I am now engaged. She had recently sailed around the world, visiting Borobudur during her travels. While there she purchased a beautiful batik showing Borobudur, which we then had framed and is now displayed in our living room. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You lump all Buddhists together and then separate some schools out. Like Nicherin and Pure land. Which is it? Are Buddhists nihilists or not? > > If you really want a clue start by reading the Madhyamikavatara by Chandrakirti. > > The life and stories of Buddha are truely beautiful. Buddha is said to have taught 84,000 teachings. He started teaching when he was 34 and taught until he died at 80 under the same type of tree that he was born under. The Sal tree. A totally common Indian forest tree. He was born in the woods and died in the woods. His life is not some common story but is the story of the sadhu in retreat figuring out what the limits of the human mind are. He is the Aranyaka. The inward movement of human mental capability. Go figure. > > One of the main features of Buddhism of any school is the emphasis on meditation by all people regardless of caste, creed, or denomination, race, sex, or lifestyle. This is a difference between other yogic schools which have great committments usually, and or demand life changes before starting, and which are for the most part sexist. > > A secondary and truely useful feature of Buddhism in general is that since all Buddhist masters developed through meditation, in the Buddhist cannon and commentaries, the Kangyur and Tangyur, are a profound wealth of real meditation experiences and outcomes which are plain in wording and easy to follow. This is helpful as a guide. Something not truely available anywhere else in any other religion even Hinduism. > > Even in the Buddhist tantras are so much profound knowledge that as soon as discovered one wonders, what took me so long too find this precious knowledge. Even today, 2,500 years later enough people of realization in the world thank Buddha for the directions, that Buddhism is totally alive still. And thanks to the Stupa building and other monument building of Buddha lovers world wide, each one jam packed full of Buddhist artifacts, Buddhism will never die out on this planet. A time capsule of Buddhism will exist somewhere forever or as close to that as is valuable to know. > > Furthermore, Buddhist is not doom and gloom and does not have dire prophecies about world wide destruction so it enables one to relax and not strike some assumed and fanatical stance. Nor does it preach. > > Moreover, there is not one goal of Buddhists per se. There are nine main rides in Buddhism. To all who read this I recommend the study of the 'highest first.' That is called Dzogchen, the Great Perfection, and I recommend the specific books, Heart Drops of Dharmakaya, and Wonders of the Natural Mind. > > Of course that is because I regard most of you highly as real yogis, or meditation masters, or otherwise I would recommend studying the outer Vajrayana teachings first like the Ngondro and preliminaries. > > For myself, when I hear the Buddha's teachings it really takes me back a couple thousand years and it's very soothing. On Saka Dawa, hearing Buddha's life story again I broke down crying yet again. The story always gets me. It's very powerful to hear it from a Lama who has tried to actualize the teachings in every thought word and deed. The same careful teachings of love for all, the 4 Noble, and compassion are the same today as they were yesterday. It's a message that doesn't change. It didn't change in the first hundred years after Buddha, nor in the first thousand years, nor in the second thousand years, nor will it change in the third thousand, and the message is still clear and can be explained to the intellect's satisfaction. > > I hope you all find intellectual satisfaction about the path to liberation in this very life. May you all be healthy wealthy and wise. > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mark bullshit was V....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 17, 2005, at 1:06 PM, t3rinity wrote: > > > Oh, I missed that.The YS interpretation you used to cite here was from > > a strict Advaitic scholastic POV. Btw., you still haven't given the > > source of that book (engl.Title/Publisher/Translator/ISBN if possible)) > > What book are you referring to? The Yoga-Sutra commentary by Vidyaranya, you were alluding to, not too long ago, when you were trashing the siddhis. I'd like to know the english title of the Book, (if you read it in original sanskrit the original sanskrit title), the Translator, and the Publishing company. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
Makes sense to me on so many levels, as I do a lot of writing both personally and work related. It also provides to me at least an instant feedback mechanism as to whether I actually know what I am talking about. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I wrote my piece to make sense to me what was going on. > > Self serving? Yes. 'Big picture' significance= zip. > > As one spiritual teacher once said, explicitly > referencing Carlos Castaneda, "Writers write > because they're trying to figure things out." > > Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
This is one of the most coherent and wise posts on this board in my opinion. Thank you.I had an interesting introduction to Buddhism as a young boy living in Indonesia on the island of Java: my Dad, ever the nomad, took us to see Borobudur near Jogjakarta, on our way east to Bali. It is one of the largest Buddhist monuments in the world. I ran up and down the steps and around the terraces all day. Also reaching into the stupas on the monument as a curious young boy would to touch the seated Buddhas within. Many years later I read that to touch the foot of the Buddha within one of the stupas on Borbudur brings good fortune. Then ten years ago I met a lovely woman to whom I am now engaged. She had recently sailed around the world, visiting Borobudur during her travels. While there she purchased a beautiful batik showing Borobudur, which we then had framed and is now displayed in our living room. --My wife and I honeymooned in Bali which we loved. We visited all the temples there. And we had a priest at Besaikih do a puja for our happiness. This was before I went Buddhist. However on the flight home it was Saka Dawa, which means the full moon, and the flight goes all night for like fourteen hours straight. The time we left was the full moon, and it was full all night on the airplane, and since we were going west the moon had just started being full when we got back, and all in all it seemed liked the moon was full for three or so nights. Strange synchronicities come about through a rotation of ones reference point. Partners are one of the strongest synchronicities of all. It's nice when things line up ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mark bulls**t was V....
On May 17, 2005, at 1:32 PM, t3rinity wrote: > The Yoga-Sutra commentary by Vidyaranya, you were alluding to, not too > long ago, when you were trashing the siddhis. I'd like to know the > english title of the Book, (if you read it in original sanskrit the > original sanskrit title), the Translator, and the Publishing company. It's not a commentary on the yoga-sutra per se--it is a treatise by Vidyaranya on Cosmic Consciousness, the jivanmuktiviveka. It mentions the yoga-sutra as part of this path, but adamantly states the siddhis are not to be sought after. So you should be careful what you say. It is not me "trashing the siddhis" but while pointing out my own experience, also pointing out the comments of this excellent text. It is interesting since it uses Patanjali as part of the path--but stops quoting the YS wherever there is a mention of samyama--up to the very verse. He also warns against the use samyama for those who are interested in Cosmic Consciousness. Since this is also my own experience, I have commented on it. It also talks about Unity Consciousness and it's attainment and qualifications. I used an unpublished manuscript of an American Sanskrit scholar. This was helpful since it collates numerous recensions into a definitive text. I also have two other versions, one from the Adyar series and a more recent one from the Ramakrishna people IIRC. They are both rather poor translations, esp. the theosophical (Adyar) one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Stories -- was Re: where Maharishi went wrong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got a serious question for everybody and no > implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if > there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone > can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we > need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can > neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The > arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in > the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we > already believe. All we have is our own experiences > regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; > they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of > contradictory material. So, why and what is this need > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? > -Peter The question raises some interesting issues. First, the broader question is why do we need any stories. Second, what exactly is a story. Some thoughts. The terem "stories" itself is a bit of a story -- having for me a bit of a connotation of stemming from pop-psycholgy roots with an inherent condescending view of having "stories" -- a sort of coping mechanism that "gets us throught the day". Or night. Stories are really broader than this, they stretch across a broad domain: they can be i)explanations and/or ii)evaluations. Stories can explain i) how things work and/ or ii) what is. When they explain things well -- explain relevant observable data, and can be used accurately predict, we call them scientific theories. (Not to be confused with slang use of theory -- aka Reagan on evolution "well, its just a theory.") As such, they are useful, and positive. I am glad NASA had a good "story" to rely on about how the planets move before they launched rockets towards them. Stories about "what is", are often less useful. It usually involves a judgement or categorization. "He is a bad person". Such evaluation stories are useful when we need to make a decision, to make a choice about someone or something. "She is to be a good person. I will therefore trust her advice". Decision prompted "stories" can be working hypotheses and have a stated uncertainty / adjustment component, instead of being absolute. "She appears to be a good person, but I don't really know, thus I will trust her advice, but may change course as I get more information." Hyper-evaluation -- having stories, making judgements and categorizing many many people and things, outside of having to make a decision regarding them/it, is usually a waste of time and a big habit of the monkey-mind. Coping stories and rationalizations are a type of evaluation of "what is" and are not useful in the long run. The intellect neeeds to be on guard that one is not rationalizing a certain choice or behavior by hiding from its true impetus, nature or impact. Such as, "I know I need to lose a few pounds, but sugar is satvic and chocolate has the love chemical, so another few pieces of chocolate won't hurt -- and is really a good thing." Do we need stories about MMY that reconcile the apparent contradictions? Perhaps -- if we need to make a decision that relates to him. For example, if you are debating to go to the recert course, then reconciling issues via a story may be usful and warranted. If no decision is necessary, why do we need a story? To feed the monkey mind something to hop up and down and squeal about for a while? Anyway, thats my monkey-minded story for now -- to help me make it through the day -- and night. I may have a new story about stories tomorrow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
I'm glad you liked my story. What I meant when I said Guru Dev implanted a time bomb, was just that he (Guru Dev) imparted very efficient use of correct mantras to Maharishi. How this came about, I don't know. However once Maharishi began to effectively spread the use of these mantras, his success was due to the very same thing that caused his Movement to wither; the mantras and their correct usage. The use of the mantras, i.e. an efficient and sustainable practice of expanding one's awareness is going to uncover any hypocrisy or deception, whether personal or in the Movement, very quickly. This is what I meant; that by using the mantras, Maharishi was creating an environment where impurity could not sustain itself for very long. And since he derived the mantras and their proper use from Brahmananda Saraswati, the spread of the use of the mantras acted as a timebomb against the deception Maharishi perpetuated within the Movement, and hence inhibited the spreading of the Movement in its present form. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I liked your story Jim, and I see MMY in a similar light. Only I > cannot see Guru Dev having implanted a time bomb here. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I do not have time to answer you and Alex's long patronising > monologues. The fact of the matter is that you and Alex don't > understand TM. Your posts shine that reality out almost every > time. Your ego prevents you from seeing this. *My* long and patronising monologues? Dude, I'm brevity defined. Also, I hardly ever mention TM, so you have nothing upon which to determine my understanding of TM. You must be referring to someone else. Akasha_108 perhaps? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
Wonderful remembrance, thanks for sharing it. Yes I loved visiting Bali as a child. We would stay up late watching the performance of scenes from the Ramayana in the village we stayed near (this was pre-TV days there). Something about the monkey-god, can't remember much more of the play except the masks, the gamelan music, and the feeling of community coupled with excitement in the Balinese night. Also ate duck eggs and sweet rice cakes there for the first time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --My wife and I honeymooned in Bali which we loved. We visited all the temples there. And we had a priest at Besaikih do a puja for our happiness. This was before I went Buddhist. However on the flight home it was Saka Dawa, which means the full moon, and the flight goes all night for like fourteen hours straight. The time we left was the full moon, and it was full all night on the airplane, and since we were going west the moon had just started being full when we got back, and all in all it seemed liked the moon was full for three or so nights. Strange synchronicities come about through a rotation of ones reference point. Partners are one of the strongest synchronicities of all. It's nice when things line up ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mark bulls**t was V....
Anyone who has read Patanjali knows that he warns not to become caught up in the sidhis. I thought everyone knew that. I have been knowing it since I read Vivekanandas commentary on the Yoga Sutras when I was thirteen. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mark bulls**t was V On May 17, 2005, at 1:32 PM, t3rinity wrote:> The Yoga-Sutra commentary by Vidyaranya, you were alluding to, not too> long ago, when you were trashing the siddhis. I'd like to know the> english title of the Book, (if you read it in original sanskrit the> original sanskrit title), the Translator, and the Publishing company.It's not a commentary on the yoga-sutra per se--it is a treatise by Vidyaranya on Cosmic Consciousness, the jivanmuktiviveka. It mentions the yoga-sutra as part of this path, but adamantly states the siddhis are not to be sought after. So you should be careful what you say. It is not me "trashing the siddhis" but while pointing out my own experience, also pointing out the comments of this excellent text. It is interesting since it uses Patanjali as part of the path--but stops quoting the YS wherever there is a mention of samyama--up to the very verse. He also warns against the use samyama for those who are interested in Cosmic Consciousness. Since this is also my own experience, I have commented on it. It also talks about Unity Consciousness and it's attainment and qualifications.I used an unpublished manuscript of an American Sanskrit scholar. This was helpful since it collates numerous recensions into a definitive text. I also have two other versions, one from the Adyar series and a more recent one from the Ramakrishna people IIRC. They are both rather poor translations, esp. the theosophical (Adyar) one.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Just received, re: Kalki Diksha
>From a friend in Oregon. Our course on Sunday lasted 9 hours, from 10AM to 9 PM, with an hour break for lunch. It was taught by two young people, a man and a woman, Freddie and Madeleine, both about 30 years old. They were fully enlightened, and special envoys from Bhagavan Kalki, with whom they had lived for a number of years. 57 people attended. They gave us 9 Dikshas during the day (transfers of energy to the brain). Even today my head is pulsing from it. Everything was free, we only paid a modest fee for their travel, etc. In addition, they taught us about God, and how to draw him to us. They said it is essential to have a bonding relationship with him. Imagine Him anyway we liked, and then invite Him into our hearts to awaken there. Talk to Him Trust in Him. Just Trust, trust, trust. America is at the bottom of the pile in its relationship to God. God is 'unemployed here'. If we choose to search ourselves, protect ourselves, do for ourselves, he will just stand back and let us. At one point the woman told us that to her we appeared as Gods. At the end of the 9 hours, the young man asked how many people saw others as themselves (i.e., were experiencing non-duality). Twenty people raised their hands! The point of the Dikshas was to restructure lobes in the brain, so that unity can be perceived. The two described themselves as 'brain doctors.' Also, Sri Mananacharya, a very renowned astrologer I work with in India, the Creator of Paramdhaam, looked at the site ( www.liveinjoy.com), and wrote to me that Bhagavan Kalki was the tenth and last incarnation of Vishu. No wonder Maharishi has bowed to it. On Saturday night, I had dinner with ten of these who regularly receive Diksha. More than two were enlightened. As well, two others who were enlightened and who had the ability to perform Diksha on others, were sitting outside the cafe. All looked very ordinary. All of it was rather unsettling for me, as 24 hours before I had not heard of this, and now I was in the middle of it. I advise you to do this as soon as you can, and any others you can convince there. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
