[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Saturday - No Time
Title: Template May 28, 2005 - No Time And the astronomer said, Master, what of Time? And he answered: You would measure time the measureless and the immeasurable. You would adjust your conduct and even direct the course of your spirit according to hours and seasons. Of time you would make a stream upon whose bank you would sit and watch its flowing. Yet the timeless in you is aware of life's timelessness, and knows that yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream. And, that that which sings and contemplates in you is still dwelling within the bounds of that first moment which scattered the stars into space Kahlil Gibran The Prophet Time is an imaginary line, drawn by imaginary beings, to note their imaginary position. All that ever has been, or ever will be, is right here, right now, in this timeless moment. The Doorway A workshop experience of "life without fear." Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Christina and Bert, I love the Daily Inspiration and look forward to it every day. It is really enhancing my Spiritual Journey, and I appreciate very much your efforts in sharing truth. I like the quotes you give from "Carson's Commentary." It is not a work that I am familiar with, so would like more detail about the book(s). Love and Peace, Winona Curfman Dallas, Texas, United States For Winona and Dave Rodway of Albuquerque who wrote: On the right side of the page there is Carson's commentary... Who is Carson? Thank you for these wonderful, warm, inspiring notes. Dave And many others who have asked the same question: Carsons Commentary is simply our comments to the days quote. For many years we didnt identify our comments. For the past few months weve added the line, Carsons Commentary. Please feel free to forward The Daily Inspiration to a friend - and... don't forget to check out our new web site http://www.your-inner-peace.com Bert & Christina Carson FuturePoint Communication 6868 Moores Mill Road Huntsville, Alabama 35811 USA 1-256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List - click here To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] "Islamic Extremism/Christian Fundementalism/Suicidal Tendancies/Apocalyse...'
Perhaps the Koran/Toilet incident, can teach us something- about the psychology of our cultures. The book in that culture seems more valuable than life itself. This shows how an ideal, some idea in a book, Replaces true perception of reality. Then, it is no wonder, when a whole culture, Is stuck in some concept of itself, stuck in times past... While at the same time, remembering The pain of the Crusades... Nonetheless, all of this invites: suicidal ideation, and worse, Human life becomes nothing more than a means of sacrifice, for a better fantasy afterlife... reality becomes, meaningless. Paradoxically enough, the Christian Evangelical movement subtly or not so subtly proselytizes the same message' Some heavenly reward for the "chosen one's", and the "End of Times", and the 'Apocalypse'... The Truth message of the Master's Teaching(s) It's simple, and Revolutionary. It says simply, That we are all one, That we are for life, Not for death, That we should love one another Under One God... ...A Message of Unity ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > scienceofabundance wrote: > > > > > > I was cognizing it from my igloo > > > at the North Pole. > > > > I hope your igloo was east-facing, > > and of course your couch facing east too. > > > > oh wait...North Pole...which way is East?? > > Those guidelines are only for the unenlightened. "He is who beyond the > boundaries of directions is bothered not by direction or by lack of > direction." ParamatjamapalaDama Veda, LMAO! But a minor correction: paramaatmajamapalaDama-veda Verse 11, (halfways down the > second page) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah, how do you meditate? One mantra repetition per > minute? Do you have a lot of kapha or sumpin'? Seems like pidgin? > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > interesting calculation: > > > > assuming one taking up of the mantra per minute, > > average = > > 40 mantra repetitions per day doing standard TM = > > 14,600 mantra repetitions per year (40 x 365) = > > 36 years of TM 20 minutes twice a day to equal one > > full year of > > constant TM = > > 525,600 mantra repetitions > > > > (and after all that you still have to put on your > > socks one at a > > time...) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Anyone who has done 100,000 repetitions of any > > mantra will find that > > their mind settles to its base automatically. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: EEG of Nirvikalpa, Witnessing and Mantra mediation
Did you see the video? Interesting mention of TM research. On May 28, 2005, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > I guess that is REALLY a mahasamadhi sinc the usual definition of > zero brainwaves is "brain death." Even jello shows SOME electrical > activity... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > At one point, MMY's organization had many hundreds of > > > > > active TM centers. However, that activity was't sustainable > > > > > and the TMO has been shrinking to a sustainable size > > > > > > > > Re: the British Isles: > > > > to a size that appaling management can sustain, possibly. > > > > But with normal marketing (not even good marketing), the > > > > original size would not have been big enough. Doctors were > > > > starting to take TM really seriously at one point, and then > > > > a pricing policy that would bankrupt any supermarket chain > > > > in six months was put in place, and the rest is history. > > > > Uns. > > > > > > Cough. THe current pricing policy is only a few years old. The > major > > > drop in TM numbers happened WAY before they boosted the price. > > > > In England, the problem started at the very tail end of the > > 80s. At that point, the price/turnover relationship was such > > that profits to International will almost certainly have > > dropped substantially. At the time you mention, our prices went > > through the roof, resulting in active governors being refused > > access to the monthly initiation rates, such was the shame > > felt by our National leaders, I presume. If MMY believes that > > normal Keynsian supply/demand laws do not apply to TM, then > > he seems to have proved the opposite case. > > Uns. > > Define "through the roof." My recollection is that the $1000+ fees > for TM started in the mid/late 90's... TTR = £1,200. They have since slapped another few dozen quid on for good measure, I was told a few days ago. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Non-interesting dome meeting last night in Skem Some > leaders of Skem (pretty high-handed in the past in my opinion) > are becoming pretty unglued... They might take a way out - a sabbatical, if you offer it. You need good leadership at a time of crisis. And remember the chinese for this word: Wei Chi, Wei meaning danger and chi meaning opportunity. They believe that the two always come together. And our beloved American cousins should remember that if there is any consistency in all this, they may well be next for this asset stripping operation. (Remember an earlier post on FFL on a proposed new unit of currency, the pandit, the exchange rate being $US1 = $P500,000) By the way, who owns the Dome? Is it going to be sold for housing or indoor tennis courts? Can a sale be opposed? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Islamic Extremism/Christian Fundementalism/Suicidal Tendancies/Apocalyse...'
That we are all one, That we are for life, Not for death, That we should love one another Under One God... ...A Message of Unity ...So there are two main groups yes? Those who know we all are God and can't stand seing God fighting itself. And those who think we are none of God, and to fight doesn't matter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Non-interesting dome meeting last night in Skem Some > > leaders of Skem (pretty high-handed in the past in my opinion) > > are becoming pretty unglued... > > They might take a way out - a sabbatical, if you offer it. > You need good leadership at a time of crisis. And remember > the chinese for this word: Wei Chi, Wei meaning danger and > chi meaning opportunity. > > They believe that the two always come together. > > And our beloved American cousins should remember that if > there is any consistency in all this, they may well be > next for this asset stripping operation. (Remember an earlier > post on FFL on a proposed new unit of currency, the pandit, > the exchange rate being $US1 = $P500,000) > > By the way, who owns the Dome? Is it going to be sold for > housing or indoor tennis courts? Can a sale be opposed? > > Uns. This seems pretty good that someone posted. They should all join this, and TM will soon become really popular again. http://www.tm-meditation.co.uk/index1.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
<<>> But if they go back to the old initiation rates, instead of the extortionate ones, they (British TM teachers) could get togetther and advertise as a group. Could be a whole new thrust of energy now that Maharishi is not micro-managing. <<< It will be interesting to see how it will work out. Stages of bereavement? First denial/shock that MMY is saying "You're on your own" (certainly among some, no doubt about that); Next stage: Anger - not yet, in my opinion, let's see what happens. Bargainining, depression, acceptanceit makes sense that these stages will happen/overlap. >>> I think its best to quickly jump to the "WH, free at LAST !" stage. And then start rockin' and rollin' ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Blindness reported in some taking Viagra
Reuters report of 27 May 2005. Do you think it's just the guys who can't find a partner? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Todays Winning Question
Good question. At first it does appear obvious, that the answer is that God is everywhere. However on closer inspection it could be interpreted as, How does the answerer appreciate God on the physical plane, if at all? My personal enjoyment of God on the physical plane comes in my consideration of Him or Her with regard to the working out of my desires. So although God may take a defined shape, say that of a bird song, or a dog trotting down the street, or even an aesthetically pleasing man made object, or the color of the sky, more often I appreciate God on the physical as the agent of change, as the innumerable cause and effect, as the shifting of a situation, a transmutation, eventually leading to the fulfillment of a desire, whether that is something simple as going out for an ice-cream, or intuitively locating the next book I will read, or finding my next job, or the surprise of meeting a new friend. Sometimes God on the physical remains initially hidden, say in a difficult or negative form, before His or Her beauty is revealed, exceeding my greatest expectations. Some may classify this as the play and display of the three gunas, and that is the correct analytical interpretation, but I wanted to express something a little more personal and subjective, remaining truer to the intent of the question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, thanks for asking. One might wonder if God might exist on the physical in a more or less potential form.Just as say, a pain killer can exist in a more or less potential form of say ibuprofen versus fentanyl. I really did mean the question in terms of Borges' Aleph or Zahir. So in that sense, that is the sense of the avatar, does God exist on the physical plane? And if so, lets count out the obvious and already extolled forms of say an avatar and the obvious Narmadeshwar linga, Gandaki Shalagram, and Eleocarpus ganitrum. Let's make this more difficult shall we? > > Besides the obvious where would God most closely come through into the physical plane? Thanks for playing Rick. I wonder if we can elicit a brain response from anyone else, that is, rather than a gut response or mere flippancy. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Meditate for a Fee or for Free
The fee or donation for being given a mantra and guidance were introduced in the US. So far as I've noticed there is always a presumption that it is okay to charge amongst those on FFL. But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to making money out of the teaching. It seems that this has been the dilemma right from the start of the 'movement'. Now the movement is imploding perhaps it is a good time to not repeat the same strokes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
and aside from a very few, I find most of them completely useless aside from some transient entertainment value. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree that a teacher has to have a wide range of experience to be > really usefull to someone who is having a rapid restructuring of > consciousness. > > JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
Yes, but one still should be empowered within their tradition with the full teaching and then the tradition should check to make sure one has gotten it, or one can't be said to have the full lineage of the teaching, or one can't be said to have its full teachings. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master? which can occur regardless of the pathless path one is following; Guru Dev, Buddha, Christ, all the same really.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> The difference between TM Techniques and liberation is the difference between being a cook and following a recipe and being a chef who is the recipe. > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Islamic Extremism/Christian Fundementalism/Suicidal Tendancies/Apocalyse...'
very much so, and as each opposing culture tries to kill off that which it fails to recognize within itself, the warring will continue with neither side winning. It is a strange, dark dance we engage in these days with our perceived enemies, paying the price of blindness in blood. Two thought spheres at war. How we will reach Unity from there will be wondrous to behold, incompehensibly powerful and utterly mysterious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps the Koran/Toilet incident, can teach us something- about the > psychology of our cultures. > > The book in that culture seems more valuable than life itself. > > This shows how an ideal, some idea in a book, > > Replaces true perception of reality. > > Then, it is no wonder, when a whole culture, > > Is stuck in some concept of itself, > > stuck in times past... > > While at the same time, remembering > > The pain of the Crusades... > > Nonetheless, all of this invites: suicidal ideation, and worse, > > Human life becomes nothing more than a means of sacrifice, for a > better fantasy afterlife... reality becomes, meaningless. > > Paradoxically enough, the Christian Evangelical movement subtly or > not so subtly proselytizes the same message' > > Some heavenly reward for the "chosen one's", and the "End of Times", > and the 'Apocalypse'... > > The Truth message of the Master's Teaching(s) > > It's simple, and Revolutionary. > > It says simply, > > That we are all one, > > That we are for life, > > Not for death, > > That we should love one another > > Under One God... > > ...A Message of Unity ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
To me this is the difference between east and west. Culturally, easterners have a respect for spiritual practices and those with "wisdom". In the west, what you pay for something, connotes a "value". I once was convinced by an aspiring initiate to teach her for a reduced fee. She didn't take it seriously at all. Only one example, but I've seen this at work in other arenas as well. You can't really be a "professional" teacher in the west doing it for free. Who's gonna pay the bills? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fee or donation for being given a mantra and guidance were > introduced in the US. So far as I've noticed there is always a > presumption that it is okay to charge amongst those on FFL. > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for > something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > making money out of the teaching. > It seems that this has been the dilemma right from the start of > the 'movement'. Now the movement is imploding perhaps it is a good time > to not repeat the same strokes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GW Bush at MIU in 1988
Any chance someone has Nader Raams Veda Physiology book and might share it with us through a .pdf or something? Or share it with me? I just want to take a quick look. - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: GW Bush at MIU in 1988 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> > > wrote:> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> > > > wrote:> > > > Can someone in Fairfield get a copy of the picture of GW Bush > > > visiting > > > > MIU in 1988 and post it to the Photos. Or , maybe FF Ledger has > > an > > > old > > > > copy of him visiting there?> > > > > > > > I think it would be very interesting for this group. > > > > Apart from Bob's unproven , but very interseting theory, can > > anyone > > > > give a reason why on Earth would GW Bush visit MIU? (in 1998 > > campaign > > > > trail for his Dad). I don't get it.> > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Even rus vote. > > > 2)Fundraising.> > > > > > Bush Sr. was in FF (not MIU) for a speech in 88 (? year could be > > way off) -- his next stop was Ottumwa, and I remember 6 identical > > stretch limos leaving FF on Hwy 34, it was impossible to tell > which > > one held Bush > > >> > > > WTF!?> > > > "When George W. was speaking at Maharishi University in support of > > George H.'s 1988 run for the Presidency, he was naively asked by a > > student if his dad practiced TM. Dubyah answered "I don't know," a > > response which the public is unlikely to be satisfied with in > regard > > to GWB's own practice of TM. "> > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#pitch > > > Did you make this up Bob?> >> > Uh, no. I was not in the audience, but there are regular posters on > this list who were in the audience, I won't name them, but if they > want to chime in, they'll verify that this question was asked and not > answered.> > > > Can someone in Fairfield get a copy of the picture of GW Bush > > visiting MIU in 1988 and post it to the Photos. Or , maybe FF > Ledger > > has an old copy of him visiting there?> > The Ledger is on microfiche at the FF Library, but it is not indexed > and is a dog to search and probably does not have the picture of > dumbya wearing the MIU baseball cap, it would be much easier to just > get an old copy of the MIU Review for 17 Jan 2001 from either the FF > Library or the MUM library.>>Ok , thanks Bob. Can anyone who feels like it swing by the MUM library sometime and pick up a copy and post it. I think it would be classic. I still find it strange that they would go to MIU. I know they go all over to raise funds etc., but there must be hundreds of colleges in Iowa alone, tens of thousands in the US.But then Sam Walton went there once, maybe the Bush's knew him.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > Hey, tell them to all join this > > http://www.tm-meditation.co.uk/index1.htm > > > > They can probably increase TM initiations tenfold within a month > > with some newly fired teachers who have been kicked out of the > > nest, and must now fly on their own. ITS TIME TO ROCK AND ROLL!!! > > WOOOHOO ! ! > > Unlikely to happen in any big way, but possible, I suppose. Most of > the Skem residents are not active teachers anyway. I don't see the > energy for that (no more than I see it in any real way in the US > either). And again, nobody is being kicked out of the nest - the > daddy bird has just basically said "I'm outta here and I not coming > back. Do whatever you want with you nest". So people could continue > for quite some time doing what they are doing now, although it will > inevitably change over the next while. It will be interesting to see > how it will work out. Stages of bereavement? First denial/shock > that MMY is saying "You're on your own"... ...then elect a strong leader and boogie on. Provide a focus for the national movement to elect a leader (i.e. use your mailing list) and lets evolve to the point we were at in the late 70s. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Golden Opportunity.....TM at reasonable rates
In a message dated 5/28/05 7:51:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the newly abondnoned British TM teachers got together over a pint, and planned a new strategy for teaching TM for reasonable prices, and advertised properly, and put the key peer-reviewed published scientific research(in respected journals) on there, and some other things, they could re-enliven TM on a massive scale. WH!, its time to KICK BOTTOMS ! ! ! !Spread the word Britishers! Especially if the Brits were told M doesn't want them to have his knowledge! They, the Brits, might just be curious enough to want to know what it's all about, but it still needs to be cheaper, so the ordinary person wouldn't have to think twice about pulling out his check book and writing a check on the spot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
I think its best to quickly jump to the "WH, free at LAST !" stage. And then start rockin' and rollin' !I can't say I understand a single of your thoughts OFF, because for instance, who really cares if people try to burn midnight oil teaching TM, especially as there's no support structure for the technique any longer. the technique becomes a door to a strange apocalyptic world. Hindu Zionism. Maharishi has perhaps created a new religion, but are the TM teachers ready to embrace that and parlay that to others? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > > Hey, tell them to all join this > http://www.tm-meditation.co.uk/index1.htm > > They can probably increase TM initiations tenfold within a month > with some newly fired teachers who have been kicked out of the nest, > and must now fly on their own. ITS TIME TO ROCK AND ROLL ! ! ! > WOOOHOO ! ! Unlikely to happen in any big way, but possible, I suppose. Most of the Skem residents are not active teachers anyway. I don't see the energy for that (no more than I see it in any real way in the US either). And again, nobody is being kicked out of the nest - the daddy bird has just basically said "I'm outta here and I not coming back. Do whatever you want with you nest". So people could continue for quite some time doing what they are doing now, although it will inevitably change over the next while. It will be interesting to see how it will work out. Stages of bereavement? First denial/shock that MMY is saying "You're on your own" (certainly among some, no doubt about that); Next stage: Anger - not yet, in my opinion, let's see what happens. Bargainining, depression, acceptanceit makes sense that these stages will happen/overlap. > (If I was a teacher I'd do it immediately, but I'm not a teacher and > I'll never live in rainy old Britain again ) I can't understand why you would think like that. As you have indicated before, Skem has "lots of jobs" and wonderfully expensive Sthapadya Veda homes - you could get into real estate investing. I think it would be perfect for you...:) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Golden Opportunity.....TM at reasonable rates
If the newly abondnoned British TM teachers got together over a pint, and planned a new strategy for teaching TM for reasonable prices, and advertised properly, and put the key peer-reviewed published scientific research(in respected journals) on there, and some other things, they could re-enliven TM on a massive scale. WH!, its time to KICK BOTTOMS ! ! ! ! Spread the word Britishers! http://www.tm-meditation.co.uk/index1.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is TM still free in UK if a Doctor prescribes it?
It used to be free on the National Health Service if a Dr. prescribed it. ?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > By the way, who owns the Dome? Is it going to be sold for > housing or indoor tennis courts? Can a sale be opposed? > > Uns. Most (possibly all at this stage) of the academies in the UK (Mentmore, Roydon Hall, etc) have been sold off already and TM-owned TM centers about to be sold off. Not clear what will happen at Skem - much too early to say, but the Dome there is not worth much by MMY's expensive standards. And again, my perception is that MMY has moved on - Skem is not on his mind now - people can continue to do group program (they have been told that "Your private life is up to you")- and it is up to the group what happens next. The feeling is more of bereavement (our leader has dropped us, we are on our own), by no means a feeling of "Is the dome going to be closed down?" So, I don't see any great moves to get rid of the (rather small) dome - and not much chance of anyone else wanting it. Remember, Skem is not like Fairfield where rus dominate the town - in Skem, the TMO is a group of about 250 adults and 90 children in a town with a population of about 40,000 and a much bigger number in nearby areas. BTW, an interesting tidbit from the meeting: The no-more-TM policy does not apply to Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom, because according to MMY, "it is part of Ireland". That should please the Irish nationalists! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
MMY shows so much anger and hate and revenge regarding to Britain. You should be glad he does not look to your side anymore. Feel the fresh air - breath freedom. I think it is something good happening here - the lighthouses of knowledge will shine brighter than before when the darkness is gone. Which will be the next country to be free? Germany, Norway, Austria? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > << daddy bird has just basically said "I'm outta here and I not coming > back. Do whatever you want with you nest". So people could continue > for quite some time doing what they are doing now, although it will > inevitably change over the next while. >>> > > But if they go back to the old initiation rates, instead of the > extortionate ones, they (British TM teachers) could get togetther > and advertise as a group. Could be a whole new thrust of energy now > that Maharishi is not micro-managing. > > <<< It will be interesting to see > how it will work out. Stages of bereavement? First denial/shock that > MMY is saying "You're on your own" (certainly among some, no doubt > about that); Next stage: Anger - not yet, in my opinion, let's see > what happens. Bargainining, depression, acceptanceit makes sense > that these stages will happen/overlap. >>> > > > I think its best to quickly jump to the "WH, free at LAST !" > stage. And then start rockin' and rollin' ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
which can occur regardless of the pathless path one is following; Guru Dev, Buddha, Christ, all the same really. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The difference between TM Techniques and liberation is the difference between being a cook and following a recipe and being a chef who is the recipe. > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > --- - > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditate for a Fee or for Free
If I was a TM teacher I would go teach TM for a pittance in the projects in NOLA as a service. This was what I wanted to do, or at least help spread the knowledge to where the expansion of possibility was really needed amongst the most impoverished and then guess what? Right at that moment MMY changed the course fee thereby snubbing my desire to serve him and the people. That was in 2000. - Original Message - From: Premanand Paul Mason To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditate for a Fee or for Free The fee or donation for being given a mantra and guidance were introduced in the US. So far as I've noticed there is always a presumption that it is okay to charge amongst those on FFL. But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to making money out of the teaching.It seems that this has been the dilemma right from the start of the 'movement'. Now the movement is imploding perhaps it is a good time to not repeat the same strokes.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
yeah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An opportunity for great growth and spiritual > maturity. When the thought occurs of MMY abandoning > the US I experience a huge wave of bliss! > -Peter > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is TM still free in UK if a Doctor prescribes it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It used to be free on the National Health Service if a doctor > prescribed it?? Only sort of. If I remember rightly, under Mrs Thatcher, doctors were given a sizeable fund, and told to look after their patients with it. Then, a doctor could say that spending £75 was well worth while because of the likely reduction in the cost that THEY would have to pay in sleeping pills, stomach tablets, pain killers etc. This system has gone, and it is back to normal central funding. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditate for a Fee or for Free
What a wonderful point. After pointing out repeatedly the Vipassana idea of teaching meditation in strict 10 day courses--essentially starting out in a long residence course--and then only charging a donation, it is surprising that not one person responded. Everyone wants to make a buck. If people notice that it is being done as world-service, they would begin to allow teachers to use facilities for free. On May 28, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for > something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > making money out of the teaching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
There are many who even flew to India or Burma to take the 10-day vipassana course even though they were already being done here. It's not only awakened numerous people, but greatly valued by those who have gone through Goenka's course--but done for a donation only after the course. I like that idea. A TMO with little or no infrastructure could easily do the same and rejuvenate the teaching. My previous question still remains: who will teach the advance techniques? On May 28, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > To me this is the difference between east and west. Culturally, > easterners have a respect for spiritual practices and those > with "wisdom". In the west, what you pay for something, connotes > a "value". I once was convinced by an aspiring initiate to teach her > for a reduced fee. She didn't take it seriously at all. > Only one example, but I've seen this at work in other arenas as well. > You can't really be a "professional" teacher in the west doing it for > free. Who's gonna pay the bills? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What a wonderful point. After pointing out repeatedly the Vipassana > idea of teaching meditation in strict 10 day courses--essentially > starting out in a long residence course--and then only charging a > donation, it is surprising that not one person responded. Everyone > wants to make a buck. > > If people notice that it is being done as world-service, they would > begin to allow teachers to use facilities for free. > > > On May 28, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: > > > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee > > for something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > > making money out of the teaching ... but rent, gas, salaries, electricity has to be paid for. One must be practical if teaching is to be an activity more than a part time hobby supported by a day job. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
I agree. Then the question becomes, is plain vanilla TM a full teaching of the tradition? I see that it is. Although various aspects of experience aren't elucidated fully when taught the basic course, I have found that the expansion of consciousness that occurs when one starts the practice always leads to the answer of any question regarding spiritual evolution and experience, in time. Now whether we want all of the answers explained and available up front or whether we are content to let us be led to them as we need them seems purely a matter of personal preference, don't you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but one still should be empowered within their tradition with the full teaching and then the tradition should check to make sure one has gotten it, or one can't be said to have the full lineage of the teaching, or one can't be said to have its full teachings. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree. Then the question becomes, is plain vanilla TM a > full teaching of the tradition? I see that it is. Although > various aspects of experience aren't elucidated fully when > taught the basic course the much neglected SCI course does fill a large number of gaps and teaches particiants useful additional skills. It could be given more emphasis. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
While looking anew at teaching meditation outside of the 'movement', it might be good to look at alternate ways. Reiki is undertaken usually free of any organisation or 'movement'. There are three levels of attainment which are all taught by the same 'Reiki Master' - the third being the knowledge of becoming a Reiki Master. The issues of valuing / undervaluing are dealt with by 'exchange of energy' between teacher and initiate. Another question that inevitably will arise is who will be teaching the new generation of 'Transcendental Teachers'? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
I don't really know what you mean. I find many of my teachers really precious. I had bought the DVD of the Nyingthig Yabshi and hadn't watched it for two years, and when I finally watched it last week I was totally blown away by the beauty and compassion of the teachings. If you haven't encountered this then I am sorry for you. You need to understand a Chod ceremony or phowa, or something which has been structured. The real guru chela relationship still exists. I hadn't found it within Hinduism because Hinduism has been warped through weakness of the teachers upon arriving in the West. Maharishi rails about the West but he has been changed through association with it more than the West has been changed through association with him. There still are hugely wonderful teachings in Buddhism. Like terma Ganesha, Dzamballah, White Tara, Avalokiteshvara and so on. TM people in general are trying to sell a weak product in a market that's completely already developed with many experts. Only they are lacking expertise. TM might be great but the entire package is weak. It needs much work. I gotta say I love you peeps for trying. How I wish you could succeed. But how can you succeed unless you understand the allure of the competition? You simply cannot. It's very sad that so few will seek beyond their narrow minded Hindu Zionism. Which isn't even theirs. Very few of you have ever sought refuge from samsara in a real tradition. There's alot of joy to be had in one. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master? and aside from a very few, I find most of them completely useless aside from some transient entertainment value.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > I agree that a teacher has to have a wide range of experience to be> really usefull to someone who is having a rapid restructuring of> consciousness. > > JohnYTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
exactly. Why not make money teaching TM, at an appropriate fee? There is nothing intrinsically wrong with money. I heard someone say recently, I think it was on the made for TV movie 'Trump', that money is a form of energy. So why not spend or expend energy to learn TM? Nothing wrong with that. The issue becomes, how much energy should we expend? Apparently Maharishi and the TMO feel that since the benefit of TM is incalculable that the price, the energy expended, should be very high. Others, realizing that once TM is commoditized, it should be priced appropriately, relative to where it is found in the 'spiritual supermarket'. And since it is a commodity, various financial models need to be built, similar to what Bob Brigante has done, showing an optimum price point for TM, satisfying the convergence of three factors: maximum initiations, a living wage for TM teachers, and excellent perceived value for money paid by the consumer, for the technique. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To me this is the difference between east and west. Culturally, > easterners have a respect for spiritual practices and those > with "wisdom". In the west, what you pay for something, connotes > a "value". I once was convinced by an aspiring initiate to teach her > for a reduced fee. She didn't take it seriously at all. > Only one example, but I've seen this at work in other arenas as well. > You can't really be a "professional" teacher in the west doing it for > free. Who's gonna pay the bills? > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
> > > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee > > > for something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > > > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > > > making money out of the teaching > > ... but rent, gas, salaries, electricity has to be paid for. One > must be practical if teaching is to be an activity more than a > part time hobby supported by a day job. > Uns. Where there's a will there's a way. It should be emphasised that if one is teaching a spiritual technique with a pure heart and without looking for the gain, one might well gain the real support of nature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
Now whether we want all of the answers explained and available up front or whether we are content to let us be led to them as we need them seems purely a matter of personal preference, don't you think? No, I went to MIU to become enlightened. And though I had good samadhi, even during the SCI, who's patent point of existing is to teach enlightenment, there was no enlightenment. And then when we studied Vedic Science when I would ask too probing a question the teachers would tell me to sit down. If enlightenment had existed anywhere in the Movement then it could have been explained or pointed out. Especially when it came to the Vedic Cognition and Vedanga Cognition courses. If someone had had greater knowledge like Geoffrey Wells or Mario Orsatti then they could have truely enlightened and led during those moments but those opportunities were wasted and so was my education. For all it's touting of teaching the container of all knowledge all that really is at MUM is a deeper level of confusion than in the regular world, or the knowledge would be considered so precious that people would have supported MUM to their deaths. Supreme instruction is that compassionate and that profound. I would die for my teachers. Gladly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
In a message dated 5/28/05 8:28:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...then elect a strong leader and boogie on. Provide a focus forthe national movement to elect a leader (i.e. use your mailing list)and lets evolve to the point we were at in the late 70s.Uns. why do you even need a leader?! Teach on your own. Charge what you want to charge To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...then elect a strong leader and boogie on. Provide a focus for > the national movement to elect a leader (i.e. use your mailing list) > and lets evolve to the point we were at in the late 70s. > Uns. This could all happen, but I just don't see it here or in US (or a couple of other countries with which I am familiar). My guess is that the average age of adults TMers in Skem is at least 50 - and as MMY knew (and as those of us who are now in our 50's know), people in this age group do not have the energy or enthusiasm to put in the kind of work that is needed to regenerate the organization. I certainly do not see this energy in Skem - quite the opposite - people thinking of slowing down, if anything. As Charlie Lutes used to say, you don't go to a senior citizens center to start a revolution. What I do see among *some* people is a liberating feeling, a release of energy, to do things that they want to do for themselves - live a good life, financial security, travel, have fun - but this is among those who have already developed some of this over many years while maintaining contact with the TMO (i.e. doing program). For those others, this may take several years, or it may never happen for them in this lifetime. Luckily for them (or at least more comfortably for them), the UK welfare and health systems is much more kinder to older/poorer people than the US system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
In a message dated 5/28/05 8:43:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My previous question still remains: who will teach the advance techniques? some brave soul may try giving advanced techniques and if he has success others will try. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
How difficult is it to teach an advanced technique? Find it on the internet! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 5/28/05 8:43:21 A.M. Central > Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > My previous question still remains: who will teach > the advance > techniques? > > > > > some brave soul may try giving advanced techniques > and if he has success > others will try. > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
agreed. There is much to be said for the various teachings, arms, of the Buddha. Personally I am happy to have the exposure of so many sides of that tradition represented here. I enjoy hearing about it, and have drawn from the richness of the tradition in many ways, especially the spiritual art flowing from contemplation of the Buddha. As mentioned previously I was exposed to Buddha's teaching way before beginning TM. So no disagreement. Please don't mistake me for a TM bigot; been there done that. I was merely making the point that there are thousands upon thousands of teachers out there and in my opinion very few of them are worth any serious consideration, at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't really know what you mean. I find many of my teachers really precious. I had bought the DVD of the Nyingthig Yabshi and hadn't watched it for two years, and when I finally watched it last week I was totally blown away by the beauty and compassion of the teachings. If you haven't encountered this then I am sorry for you. You need to understand a Chod ceremony or phowa, or something which has been structured. > > The real guru chela relationship still exists. I hadn't found it within Hinduism because Hinduism has been warped through weakness of the teachers upon arriving in the West. > > Maharishi rails about the West but he has been changed through association with it more than the West has been changed through association with him. > > There still are hugely wonderful teachings in Buddhism. Like terma Ganesha, Dzamballah, White Tara, Avalokiteshvara and so on. TM people in general are trying to sell a weak product in a market that's completely already developed with many experts. Only they are lacking expertise. TM might be great but the entire package is weak. It needs much work. I gotta say I love you peeps for trying. How I wish you could succeed. But how can you succeed unless you understand the allure of the competition? You simply cannot. It's very sad that so few will seek beyond their narrow minded Hindu Zionism. Which isn't even theirs. Very few of you have ever sought refuge from samsara in a real tradition. There's alot of joy to be had in one. > > > - Original Message - > From: jim_flanegin > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:17 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master? > > > and aside from a very few, I find most of them completely useless > aside from some transient entertainment value. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
Hey. In 1965 some guidelines were sent to all the TM-Teachers by Henry Nyburg, who was MMY representative in Europa. Is says among other things: It is further agreed that no person would be refused initiation on account of money in cases of proven hardship or poverty. Ingegerd "THE STATUS OF THE INITIATOR An initiator is Maharihi's representative in his area. During the first International Convention of the Spiritual Regeneration Movement, Maharishi was asked how he conceived the possibility of spiritually regenerating the whole world. He said: "I will multiply myself and will be found in every part of the world". The programme of training initiators is multiplying Maharishi. The initiators have to hold themselves in the dignity and grace, wisdom and light of Truth which he spreads around him. The key to the maintenance of this dignity lies in regular practice of meditation at least one hour morning and one hour evening, and up to two hours holidays, and in talking less. Every initiator is supposed to be dependable. Maharishi feels that he can depend on them because of the trust that he has placed in them. They are expected to follow his wishes, which are as follows: - 1. They will always be sincere and truthful about teaching that they have received, and they will keep it pure. 2. They will impart the teaching in public in all love and with the sole desire to do good. 3. All the initiators will keep themselves in love and dignity because only the impact of a united front could meet the need of fast advancing life. 4. They will combine their efforts in building and maintaining three international academies one in India, one in Europe and one in America, apart from meditation centres in the universities and wherever possible. 5. They will try to save their time from being involved in day- to-day matters of organization. They will set their working policy so that it will be accepted as graceful by public opinion. 6. They must always feel free with Maharishi and keep their minds attuned to his mind and his way of thinking. This should be acquired without straining, in the fullness of ease and freedom. 7. The initiators are expected to be above the disparities of religion and nationalities. Each has his own faith and belongs to his own nation, but he has to behave with people of other faiths and nations with even greater joy and love than he shows to those of his own religion and nation. 8. An initiator carries a universal mind and heart in his own individual mind and heart. 9. An initiator has the status of an ocean into which all rivers flow, even pouring their mud and rubbish bought from all sides; the ocean remains unmoved in its level. 10. People approach him from their own level of consciousness. He meets them all from his level of joy and love and the grace of eveness of mind. 11. Between the affairs of two people he behaves like the neutral point of a magnet. He does not allow the affairs of one to pass to the other through him. He does not betray the confidence of those who confide in him by passing information to others, as an ocean does not pass water from one river into another. 12. Until the end of 1971 initiators are not allowed to initiate people in the following professions:- 1. Psycho-analysts, psychologists or any associated profession 2. Those practising hypnotism 3. Those very deeply engrossed in Spiritualism (Healers are not in this category) 4. Priests and ministers of religion. They can only be initiated by Maharishi or someone especially appointed by him to handle these cases. 5. Monks 6. The heads of religious organizations 7. The leaders of philosophical or metaphysical groups If by chance there is any mistake or difficulty in carrying out the above mentioned desires, it should be brought to Maharishi's notice as soon as possible. FINANCIAL POLICY: In all periods of historical time, financial aid, or its equivalent has been necessary to establish seats of learning and spread their teachings, religious or secular. The Spiritual Regeneration Movement is in no way different. The people of India gave Maharishi the wherewithal to reach America and give his message and the Americans helped him to reach England and start the Spiritual Regeneration Movement in Europe, and likewise one nation has helped him to bring the meditation to another. It was during Maharishi's first stay in America that it was decided to ask for a weeks net income from every person initiated to enable a organization to be set up to spread the meditation to others; money is necessary for advertisements, hire of halls, offices when a centre grows to a certain size, and the construction of meditation centres. At the First Initiators Training Course in Rishikesh in 1961, Maharishi graciously declared that in future all initiators would be allowed to retain 50 % o
[FairfieldLife] Re: GW Bush at MIU in 1988
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Can someone in Fairfield get a copy of the picture of GW Bush > > > visiting > > > > MIU in 1988 and post it to the Photos. Or , maybe FF Ledger has > > an > > > old > > > > copy of him visiting there? > > > > > > > > I think it would be very interesting for this group. > > > > Apart from Bob's unproven , but very interseting theory, can > > anyone > > > > give a reason why on Earth would GW Bush visit MIU? (in 1998 > > campaign > > > > trail for his Dad). I don't get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Even rus vote. > > > 2)Fundraising. > > > > > > Bush Sr. was in FF (not MIU) for a speech in 88 (? year could be > > way off) -- his next stop was Ottumwa, and I remember 6 identical > > stretch limos leaving FF on Hwy 34, it was impossible to tell > which > > one held Bush>>> > > > > > > > > WTF!? > > > > "When George W. was speaking at Maharishi University in support of > > George H.'s 1988 run for the Presidency, he was naively asked by a > > student if his dad practiced TM. Dubyah answered "I don't know," a > > response which the public is unlikely to be satisfied with in > regard > > to GWB's own practice of TM. " > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#pitch >>> > > > > Did you make this up Bob? > > > > Uh, no. I was not in the audience, but there are regular posters on > this list who were in the audience, I won't name them, but if they > want to chime in, they'll verify that this question was asked and not > answered. > > > > Can someone in Fairfield get a copy of the picture of GW Bush > > visiting MIU in 1988 and post it to the Photos. Or , maybe FF > Ledger > > has an old copy of him visiting there? > > The Ledger is on microfiche at the FF Library, but it is not indexed > and is a dog to search and probably does not have the picture of > dumbya wearing the MIU baseball cap, it would be much easier to just > get an old copy of the MIU Review for 17 Jan 2001 from either the FF > Library or the MUM library.>> Ok , thanks Bob. Can anyone who feels like it swing by the MUM library sometime and pick up a copy and post it. I think it would be classic. I still find it strange that they would go to MIU. I know they go all over to raise funds etc., but there must be hundreds of colleges in Iowa alone, tens of thousands in the US. But then Sam Walton went there once, maybe the Bush's knew him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
I also found my experiences with the TM organization confounding and frustrating at times. You seem like a pretty enlightened being though, so it seems that enlightenment found you, even if you didn't find It where you were looking for It. So isn't the 'problem' only with the confounding of your small self, and ultimately, what does that matter? Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now whether we want all of the answers explained and available up > front or whether we are content to let us be led to them as we need > them seems purely a matter of personal preference, don't you think? > > No, I went to MIU to become enlightened. And though I had good samadhi, even during the SCI, who's patent point of existing is to teach enlightenment, there was no enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...a proposed new unit of currency, the pandit, > the exchange rate being $US1 = $P500,000) You won't be well received at the bank if you ask for those terms. It should be $P1 = $US 500,000 Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
It could be intersting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An opportunity for great growth and spiritual > maturity. When the thought occurs of MMY abandoning > the US I experience a huge wave of bliss! > -Peter > > --- scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Non-interesting dome meeting last night in Skem. > > The usual variety of > > stupid questions, taking into account the fact that > > the TMO is being > > closed down in the UK. Questions such as "Are we > > allowed to have the > > Ghandarva Veda concert next week" and other bullshit > > questions. > > > > Not coincidentally Raja Peter Warburton (the current > > biggie in the UK) > > was not even present; feeling among the less > > frazzled is that MMY has > > moved on - Skem and the group is history. Get > > recertified and move to > > another country, otherwise I (MMY) you're toast as > > far as I am > > concerned. Reports (unofficial of course) that > > Warburton can hardly > > get MMY's attention on anything to do with the UK > > anymore. MMY very > > angry with UK - let it go down the tubes. Some > > leaders of Skem (pretty > > high-handed in the past in my opinion) are becoming > > pretty unglued - > > one is now talking about immigrating to New Zealand, > > others to > > Ireland. There was some mention (again in small > > groups) about moving > > to the US - a fantastic idea, no doubt, for many > > people in their 50's, > > no history of work outside the TMO, and no health > > insurance. A fair > > amount of knee jerk reactions of basically going > > elsewhere to be "taken > > care of" by the TMO, but privately a significant > > number of people are > > being more reflective (mostly those who have made a > > life and income > > outside the movement) that this is quite a release > > and has some > > interesting possibilities in terms of empowerment. > > > > I was very disappointed with the feeling of a large > > number of people > > (but not all) completely institutionalized and > > unable to think for > > themselves, and not yet realizing that they are on > > their own now. A > > significant and genuine sense of bereavement - > > people realizing slowly > > but surely that it is over. One thing that is > > different that is people > > at all levels, particularly the biggies, are getting > > a crash course in > > expressing real honest feelings - the masks are > > coming down extremely > > rprapidly. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fee or donation for being given a mantra and guidance were > introduced in the US. So far as I've noticed there is always a > presumption that it is okay to charge amongst those on FFL. > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for > something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > making money out of the teaching. > It seems that this has been the dilemma right from the start of > the 'movement'. Now the movement is imploding perhaps it is a good time > to not repeat the same strokes. **END** If people in our lives come to feel that there is something that we have that they want, too, then they will ask for initiation with no prompting or selling from our side necessary. There is no need to sell this teaching anymore, only to live it, radiate it, and teach it to those who ask to be taught. I've initiated occasionally over the years under this model and it's been delightful. I talk about what I know and what I feel, and explain to the extent necessary my own conflicts about the TMO and the fact that the people who learn from me will not be recognized by that organization. There is no exchange of money or gifts besides the prasad given to them after initiation. Marek To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GW Bush at MIU in 1988
on 5/28/05 12:42 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The Ledger is on microfiche at the FF Library, but it is not indexed > and is a dog to search and probably does not have the picture of > dumbya wearing the MIU baseball cap, it would be much easier to just > get an old copy of the MIU Review for 17 Jan 2001 from either the FF > Library or the MUM library. Jim Karpen would be the man to ask. He oversaw the Review for most of its existence and may have them all archived: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GW Bush at MIU in 1988
on 5/28/05 6:58 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But then Sam Walton went there once, maybe the Bush's knew him. Bill Zimmerman brought him. He came into the dome and sat on the stage and watched us hop. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditate for a Fee or for Free
on 5/28/05 8:15 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The fee or donation for being given a mantra and guidance were > introduced in the US. So far as I've noticed there is always a > presumption that it is okay to charge amongst those on FFL. > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for > something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > making money out of the teaching. When Ammachi's IAM practice is taught, $30 or $40 is charged to cover the meals served and the teacher's traveling expenses. If there is money left over, people are offered a refund, although I doubt anyone has ever accepted it. When Amma imparts mantras during her programs there is never a fee. Nor is there a fee for the programs. Just the meals and stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
I can see your house Peter. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Skem Dome Meeting Last Night An opportunity for great growth and spiritualmaturity. When the thought occurs of MMY abandoningthe US I experience a huge wave of bliss!-Peter--- scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Non-interesting dome meeting last night in Skem. > The usual variety of > stupid questions, taking into account the fact that> the TMO is being > closed down in the UK. Questions such as "Are we> allowed to have the > Ghandarva Veda concert next week" and other bullshit> questions. > > Not coincidentally Raja Peter Warburton (the current> biggie in the UK) > was not even present; feeling among the less> frazzled is that MMY has > moved on - Skem and the group is history. Get> recertified and move to > another country, otherwise I (MMY) you're toast as> far as I am > concerned. Reports (unofficial of course) that> Warburton can hardly > get MMY's attention on anything to do with the UK> anymore. MMY very > angry with UK - let it go down the tubes. Some> leaders of Skem (pretty > high-handed in the past in my opinion) are becoming> pretty unglued - > one is now talking about immigrating to New Zealand,> others to > Ireland. There was some mention (again in small> groups) about moving > to the US - a fantastic idea, no doubt, for many> people in their 50's, > no history of work outside the TMO, and no health> insurance. A fair > amount of knee jerk reactions of basically going> elsewhere to be "taken > care of" by the TMO, but privately a significant> number of people are > being more reflective (mostly those who have made a> life and income > outside the movement) that this is quite a release> and has some > interesting possibilities in terms of empowerment. > > I was very disappointed with the feeling of a large> number of people > (but not all) completely institutionalized and> unable to think for > themselves, and not yet realizing that they are on> their own now. A > significant and genuine sense of bereavement - > people realizing slowly > but surely that it is over. One thing that is> different that is people > at all levels, particularly the biggies, are getting> a crash course in > expressing real honest feelings - the masks are> coming down extremely > rprapidly. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > By the way, who owns the Dome? Is it going to be sold for > > housing or indoor tennis courts? Can a sale be opposed? > > > > Uns. > > Most (possibly all at this stage) of the academies in the UK > (Mentmore, Roydon Hall, etc) have been sold off already and TM- owned > TM centers about to be sold off. Not clear what will happen at Skem - > much too early to say, but the Dome there is not worth much by MMY's > expensive standards. And again, my perception is that MMY has moved > on - Skem is not on his mind now - people can continue to do group > program (they have been told that "Your private life is up to you")- > and it is up to the group what happens next. > > The feeling is more of bereavement (our leader has dropped us, we are > on our own),>>> Hey, tell them to all join this http://www.tm-meditation.co.uk/index1.htm They can probably increase TM initiations tenfold within a month with some newly fired teachers who have been kicked out of the nest, and must now fly on their own. ITS TIME TO ROCK AND ROLL ! ! ! WOOOHOO ! ! (If I was a teacher I'd do it immediately, but I'm not a teacher and I'll never live in rainy old Britain again ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > < > Pole.>> > > > > Ok, but perhaps your ego might have realised that I cannot always > tell > > if someone here is posting something someone mailed to them, as is > > usually the case here. > > Hey off world, I have a suggestion...maybe you should try and get that > thing out of there. It seems like it may have turned sideways, ouch! > that must be very painful. Just give it a good hard pull, you will > probably feel a lot better afterwards. > > Rick Carlstrom>> Yea, it's a friend. It lives there. You should think about getting a job one day. It'll do you good. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I was a TM teacher I would go teach TM for a pittance in the projects in NOLA as a service. This was what I wanted to do, or at least help spread the knowledge to where the expansion of possibility was really needed amongst the most impoverished and then guess what? Right at that moment MMY changed the course fee thereby snubbing my desire to serve him and the people. That was in 2000. > > The problem that I have seen is that if you teach people for too low a fee or free, they don't take it seriously and / or don't practice long enough or regularly enough to stay with it. $250 - $400 seems to work the best if the goal is to have someone do TM long enough to see it's value. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
What a beautiful, simple set of spiritual guidelines. Just wonderful. Pure, simple, authentically dignified. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? --- Ingegerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey. > > In 1965 some guidelines were sent to all the > TM-Teachers by Henry > Nyburg, who was MMY representative in Europa. > > Is says among other things: It is further agreed > that no person would > be refused initiation on account of money in cases > of proven hardship > or poverty. > Ingegerd > > "THE STATUS OF THE INITIATOR > > An initiator is Maharihi's representative in his > area. > > During the first International Convention of the > Spiritual > Regeneration Movement, Maharishi was asked how he > conceived the > possibility of spiritually regenerating the whole > world. > > He said: > "I will multiply myself and will be found in every > part of the > world". The programme of training initiators is > multiplying > Maharishi. The initiators have to hold themselves in > the dignity and > grace, wisdom and light of Truth which he spreads > around him. > > The key to the maintenance of this dignity lies in > regular practice > of meditation at least one hour morning and one hour > evening, and up > to two hours holidays, and in talking less. > > Every initiator is supposed to be dependable. > Maharishi feels that he > can depend on them because of the trust that he has > placed in them. > They are expected to follow his wishes, which are as > follows: - > > 1.They will always be sincere and truthful about > teaching that > they have received, and they will keep it pure. > 2.They will impart the teaching in public in all > love and with > the sole desire to do good. > 3.All the initiators will keep themselves in love > and dignity > because only the impact of a united front could meet > the need of fast > advancing life. > 4.They will combine their efforts in building and > maintaining > three international academies one in India, one in > Europe and one > in America, apart from meditation centres in the > universities and > wherever possible. > 5.They will try to save their time from being > involved in day- > to-day matters of organization. They will set their > working policy so > that it will be accepted as graceful by public > opinion. > 6.They must always feel free with Maharishi and > keep their > minds attuned to his mind and his way of thinking. > This should be > acquired without straining, in the fullness of ease > and freedom. > 7.The initiators are expected to be above the > disparities of > religion and nationalities. Each has his own faith > and belongs to his > own nation, but he has to behave with people of > other faiths and > nations with even greater joy and love than he shows > to those of his > own religion and nation. > 8.An initiator carries a universal mind and heart > in his own > individual mind and heart. > 9.An initiator has the status of an ocean into > which all rivers > flow, even pouring their mud and rubbish bought from > all sides; the > ocean remains unmoved in its level. > 10. People approach him from their own level of > consciousness. He > meets them all from his level of joy and love and > the grace of > eveness of mind. > 11. Between the affairs of two people he behaves > like the neutral > point of a magnet. He does not allow the affairs of > one to pass to > the other through him. He does not betray the > confidence of those who > confide in him by passing information to others, as > an ocean does not > pass water from one river into another. > 12. Until the end of 1971 initiators are not allowed > to initiate > people in the following professions:- > 1.Psycho-analysts, psychologists or any associated > profession > 2.Those practising hypnotism > 3.Those very deeply engrossed in Spiritualism > (Healers are not > in this category) > 4.Priests and ministers of religion. They can only > be initiated > by Maharishi or someone especially appointed by him > to handle these > cases. > 5.Monks > 6.The heads of religious organizations > 7.The leaders of philosophical or metaphysical > groups > > If by chance there is any mistake or difficulty in > carrying out the > above mentioned desires, it should be brought to > Maharishi's notice > as soon as possible. > > > > FINANCIAL POLICY: > In all periods of historical time, financial aid, or > its equivalent > has been necessary to establish seats of learning > and spread their > teachings, religious or secular. > > The Spiritual Regeneration Movement is in no way > different. > > The people of India gave Maharishi the wherewithal > to reach America > and give his message and the Americans helped him to > reach England > and start the Spiritual Regeneration Movement in > Europe, and likewise > one nation has helped him to bring the meditation to > another. > > It was during Maharishi's first stay in America that > i
[FairfieldLife] Re: programme for non-resident Indians (except UK citizens!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm so tired of this type of movement bullshit. Let's > see the the research. Lets see the protocol. Let's see > the design. Let's see the publications you have > submitted the research to. What? Oh you haven't > submitted it because the research design is so weak? > GO FVCK YOURSELVES YOU BROWN-NOSING,SPIRITUALLY-ANEMIC > PSEUDO-SCIENTIST. > > wOW, i FEEL A LOT BETTER! Yea, and you lossened up a few more of those deep samskaras. A step closer to liberation (of all bodies). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Friggin scary?
Seacrest seems to have crush for Vonzell! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So all the tm teachers, none of whom have created a multi-national > orgaization, are going to somehow create a new one? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comment below: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rick A. I appreciate the service you provide in the form of > > > information and inquiry. I remember you as an even minded, even > > > tempered true seeker. My experience at FFL reconfirms these > > > observations and I wanted to publicly acknowledge you and invite > > > others to do so as well. > > > > > > You can blush now. > > > Thanks. > > > Jeff F > > > > **SNIP TO END** > > > > I don't feel you should ever pass up an opportunity to praise. So, > > thank you, Jeff, for bringing up the subject of Rick's inestimable > > contribution to the many folks who post and lurk here at FFL. And > > thank you, Rick, for starting it and moderating it and being the > > expression of compassion and intelligence that you are. > > > > FFL is a true satsang (even if a rough one at times) and a model > for > > how the "Movement" evolves beyond itself. Many more people than > > Rick are ultimately responsible for FFL, of course, and my deep > > gratitude is addressed to them, too. > > > > Thanks to each and every, one and all. > > > > Marek Not sure I see the logic here. The old time method of teaching TM was via word of mouth based on very satisfied participants. No need for top-down generated Merv waves that created too many people to effectively follow-up on anyway. 1000 teachers teaching 20 people a month at a cost to cover expenses (say $200) would be close to half a million initiates a year. No need fo over arching regional coordinators, national leaders, rajas, or trademark persona. The question would be is how this knowledge of teaching would be passed to a new generation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
Good question! I have always tried to stick with these guidelines - closing my ears and eyes for all the other crazy stuff. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What a beautiful, simple set of spiritual guidelines. > Just wonderful. Pure, simple, authentically dignified. > WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? > > > --- Ingegerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey. > > > > In 1965 some guidelines were sent to all the > > TM-Teachers by Henry > > Nyburg, who was MMY representative in Europa. > > > > Is says among other things: It is further agreed > > that no person would > > be refused initiation on account of money in cases > > of proven hardship > > or poverty. > > Ingegerd > > > > "THE STATUS OF THE INITIATOR > > > > An initiator is Maharihi's representative in his > > area. > > > > During the first International Convention of the > > Spiritual > > Regeneration Movement, Maharishi was asked how he > > conceived the > > possibility of spiritually regenerating the whole > > world. > > > > He said: > > "I will multiply myself and will be found in every > > part of the > > world". The programme of training initiators is > > multiplying > > Maharishi. The initiators have to hold themselves in > > the dignity and > > grace, wisdom and light of Truth which he spreads > > around him. > > > > The key to the maintenance of this dignity lies in > > regular practice > > of meditation at least one hour morning and one hour > > evening, and up > > to two hours holidays, and in talking less. > > > > Every initiator is supposed to be dependable. > > Maharishi feels that he > > can depend on them because of the trust that he has > > placed in them. > > They are expected to follow his wishes, which are as > > follows: - > > > > 1. They will always be sincere and truthful about > > teaching that > > they have received, and they will keep it pure. > > 2. They will impart the teaching in public in all > > love and with > > the sole desire to do good. > > 3. All the initiators will keep themselves in love > > and dignity > > because only the impact of a united front could meet > > the need of fast > > advancing life. > > 4. They will combine their efforts in building and > > maintaining > > three international academies one in India, one in > > Europe and one > > in America, apart from meditation centres in the > > universities and > > wherever possible. > > 5. They will try to save their time from being > > involved in day- > > to-day matters of organization. They will set their > > working policy so > > that it will be accepted as graceful by public > > opinion. > > 6. They must always feel free with Maharishi and > > keep their > > minds attuned to his mind and his way of thinking. > > This should be > > acquired without straining, in the fullness of ease > > and freedom. > > 7. The initiators are expected to be above the > > disparities of > > religion and nationalities. Each has his own faith > > and belongs to his > > own nation, but he has to behave with people of > > other faiths and > > nations with even greater joy and love than he shows > > to those of his > > own religion and nation. > > 8. An initiator carries a universal mind and heart > > in his own > > individual mind and heart. > > 9. An initiator has the status of an ocean into > > which all rivers > > flow, even pouring their mud and rubbish bought from > > all sides; the > > ocean remains unmoved in its level. > > 10. People approach him from their own level of > > consciousness. He > > meets them all from his level of joy and love and > > the grace of > > eveness of mind. > > 11. Between the affairs of two people he behaves > > like the neutral > > point of a magnet. He does not allow the affairs of > > one to pass to > > the other through him. He does not betray the > > confidence of those who > > confide in him by passing information to others, as > > an ocean does not > > pass water from one river into another. > > 12. Until the end of 1971 initiators are not allowed > > to initiate > > people in the following professions:- > > 1. Psycho-analysts, psychologists or any associated > > profession > > 2. Those practising hypnotism > > 3. Those very deeply engrossed in Spiritualism > > (Healers are not > > in this category) > > 4. Priests and ministers of religion. They can only > > be initiated > > by Maharishi or someone especially appointed by him > > to handle these > > cases. > > 5. Monks > > 6. The heads of religious organizations > > 7. The leaders of philosophical or metaphysical > > groups > > > > If by chance there is any mistake or difficulty in > > carrying out the > > above mentioned desires, it should be brought to > > Maharishi's notice > > as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > FINANCIAL POLICY: > > In all periods of historical time, financial aid, or > > its equivalent > > has been necessary to establish seats of learning >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
how do you meditate? Once or twice the thought comes then its time open the eyes. Are you meditation on crack and meth (again)? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah, how do you meditate? One mantra repetition per > minute? Do you have a lot of kapha or sumpin'? > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > interesting calculation: > > > > assuming one taking up of the mantra per minute, > > average = > > 40 mantra repetitions per day doing standard TM = > > 14,600 mantra repetitions per year (40 x 365) = > > 36 years of TM 20 minutes twice a day to equal one > > full year of > > constant TM = > > 525,600 mantra repetitions > > > > (and after all that you still have to put on your > > socks one at a > > time...) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Anyone who has done 100,000 repetitions of any > > mantra will find that > > their mind settles to its base automatically. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/27/05 6:45 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Actually I am just passing on the account of Ravi Shankar. > > > > On May 27, 2005, at 6:42 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > >> He was most certainly practicing TM then, AND up until his death. > >> You are unbelievably badly informed, and your ignorance and prejdice > >> comes out in almost every post. George Harrison was big into TM, I > >> know people who met him in Vlodrop in the 90's and he had various > >> Jyotish and other consultations. You are simply spreading your > >> ignorant prejudiced view for your own agenda > > But when he was dying it was the Hare Krishna guys he wanted at his bedside. And at the Concert for George at Albert Hall -- a great concert video, btw, there were propbably over 100 HK "pundits" / chanters -- as part of the opening, and in honored positions thru the concert. But no TM signs that I could see. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/27/05 6:45 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Actually I am just passing on the account of Ravi Shankar. > > > > > > On May 27, 2005, at 6:42 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > > > >> He was most certainly practicing TM then, AND up until his death. > > >> You are unbelievably badly informed, and your ignorance and > prejdice > > >> comes out in almost every post. George Harrison was big into TM, I > > >> know people who met him in Vlodrop in the 90's and he had various > > >> Jyotish and other consultations. You are simply spreading your > > >> ignorant prejudiced view for your own agenda > > > > But when he was dying it was the Hare Krishna guys he wanted at his > bedside.>>> > > And why would that be a negation of everything he said for decades? > Only the ignorant would think that following the Krishna's is against > TM. It would be like saying a TM Jew who meets with the Rabbi must be > out of TM. George Harrison was so much above stupid sectarianism, and > he stated clearly in that 'I still practice Transcendental Meditation > and I think it's great. Maharishi only ever did good for us, and > although I have not been with him physically, I never left him.' > > I heard him say this on BBC TV. He also visited Vlodrop numerous times > in the 1990's for various consultations. One news report in the 90's > said he had a huge picture of Maharishi on his wall. > > Being with his Krishnas is not a negation of TM. That is ridiculous. > Maharishi is an exponent of Krishna's teachings. You logic is astounding! I am sure Goerge did think highly of TM and MMY up to his death. But when he wanted spiritual solence he was surrounded by HK's. No contradiction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.
"No one should conjecture what I will do. Because what I will do is beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and beyond the imagination of any man" Maharishi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: George Harrison
> > > > > > > On May 27, 2005, at 6:42 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > > But when he was dying it was the Hare Krishna guys he wanted at his > > bedside.>>> How do you know this for certain ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] change of plan again!
this just in from Raja Wynn: Announcement For Governors of the Age of Enlightenment The next Governor Recertification Course has been *moved forward* to start on Wednesday June 8th! Dear Governors, Because so many Governors are waiting to start the next Governor Recertification Course and because of the urgent need of the time, the next Governor Recertification Course has been moved forward to start on Wednesday June 8th. Simultaneous Courses will be held in many places in the world. If you have not already applied for the course, please click here to do so by June 7th, and also encourage other Governors to apply for the course: https://vedicamerica.securesites.com/application/index.html Please click here for more information and to apply for the course http://vedicamerica.com Jai Guru Dev. Raja Wynne *** DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to the Maharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Encourage your friends to sign up for DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS. Send an e-mail message to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and put the word "subscribe" (without the quotation marks) in the body of the message. -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.
The syntax does not sound like MMY. Source? --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because > what I will do is > beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and > beyond the > imagination of any man" > Maharishi > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alternatively we can make a new reality show. Each week another person is kicked out of the Movement where they spent their whole lives and we can see what happens to them. The last one gets to meet MMY and becomes a Raaj Thats funny. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Rick Veda(r)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some leaders of Skem.. are becoming pretty unglued - > > > This sort of stuff is crazy-making. > A lot of people on FFL, myself included, would be a lot more > unglued than we are, if Rick hadn't set up FFL > some years ago, and saved our sanity. All glory to Rick. But he follows a fairly old tradition. There was that listserv group moderated by cooke? that lasted for years, prolly starting in the early 90's, then there was alt.tm, TM-ex newsletters and then the various websites. All sources of useful information at times to over the years, to help keep many grounded. Rick took 10 minutes one day -- and responded to the need of the time and set up FFL. And has spent some (still modest) time with admin duties. I don't view FFL as Rick's thing. Its a community forum, Rick just happened to throw out the first brick. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The syntax does not sound like MMY. Source? I disagree, but will try to find date/place of this interesting quote sent to me by a friend.. > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because > > what I will do is > > beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and > > beyond the > > imagination of any man" > > Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Veda(r)
But he was the one who took the 10 minutes. All Glory To Rick. Ingegerd >>. > > Rick took 10 minutes one day -- and responded to the need of the time > and set up FFL. And has spent some (still modest) time with admin > duties. I don't view FFL as Rick's thing. Its a community forum, Rick > just happened to throw out the first brick. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
> Where there's a will there's a way. It should be emphasised that if one > is teaching a spiritual technique with a pure heart and without looking > for the gain, one might well gain the real support of nature. There will be a crack in that "pure heart" if he/she starts to take advantage of a teaching given by the Master in privacy and confidence. The purity of the teaching will be lost in the long run - say 1 generation or so. Maharishi predicted this some years ago when he said that some will start to use other pictures of Guru Dev than the one he has picked. They will also talk alot of their closeness and devotion to Guru Dev. This will be the start of the disintegration of the teaching resulting in the loss of purity and conscequently it's effectiveness. And as we have read here on FFL, use of other pictures is already happening. The first steps have been taken. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fee or donation for being given a mantra and guidance were > introduced in the US. So far as I've noticed there is always a > presumption that it is okay to charge amongst those on FFL. > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for > something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > making money out of the teaching. > It seems that this has been the dilemma right from the start of > the 'movement'. Now the movement is imploding perhaps it is a good time > to not repeat the same strokes. Yes. I have had similar thoughts. In another post today I suggested $100-200 fee to cover expenses -- a nice center, a pt clerical staffer, etc. But the proposal implied no salaries. To me it just doesn't feel right to take money for teaching. Some groups, like Art of Living I beleive, the teachers don't take any funds. Its a nice model that all teachers should be sucessful enough to earn a decent living and be established in society. That would have eliminated a lot of the crazies hanging around centers in the 70's. And not living off teaching, eliminates a lot of the center politics -- and crude "positioning" used by teachers to get more initiations. Teaching should be all about joy, not making an extra commission off some seeker. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An opportunity for great growth and spiritual > > maturity. When the thought occurs of MMY abandoning > > the US I experience a huge wave of bliss! > > -Peter > > Or terrorism... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee > > > > for something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk > about > > > > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment > to > > > > making money out of the teaching > > > > ... but rent, gas, salaries, electricity has to be paid for. One > > must be practical if teaching is to be an activity more than a > > part time hobby supported by a day job. > > Uns. > > Where there's a will there's a way. It should be emphasised that if one > is teaching a spiritual technique with a pure heart and without looking > for the gain, one might well gain the real support of nature. Yes. And the psychology of the student is vastly different, IMO, when a volunteer, yet well-trained. teachers offers the teaching in service -- in contrast to "suits" sometimes akin to car salesmen, hustling a spirtual practice. And when the teaching is offered as service -- many do come to the support of the "volunteer" teacher. It builds a community spirit. Everyone helping a bit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I was a TM teacher I would go teach TM for a pittance in the > projects in NOLA as a service. This was what I wanted to do, or at > least help spread the knowledge to where the expansion of possibility > was really needed amongst the most impoverished and then guess what? > Right at that moment MMY changed the course fee thereby snubbing my > desire to serve him and the people. That was in 2000. > > > > > > The problem that I have seen is that if you teach people for too low a > fee or free, they don't take it seriously and / or don't practice long > enough or regularly enough to stay with it. $250 - $400 seems to work > the best if the goal is to have someone do TM long enough to see it's > value. > > JohnY The student getting something for free may be an issue. So any fee, it still should be modest $100-200, could go to center expenses, events, etc. Not salaries (except for non-teaching clerical work perhaps.) If that fee is not sufficient to motiveate the student, then perhaps a seva threshold could be asked: "Do 20 hours of community service, then I will teach you." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
> An opportunity for great growth and spiritual > maturity. When the thought occurs of MMY abandoning > the US I experience a huge wave of bliss! > -Peter I know I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An opportunity for great growth and spiritual > maturity. When the thought occurs of MMY abandoning > the US I experience a huge wave of bliss! > -Peter > > --- scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Non-interesting dome meeting last night in Skem. > > The usual variety of > > stupid questions, taking into account the fact > that > > the TMO is being > > closed down in the UK. Questions such as "Are we > > allowed to have the > > Ghandarva Veda concert next week" and other > bullshit > > questions. > > > > Not coincidentally Raja Peter Warburton (the > current > > biggie in the UK) > > was not even present; feeling among the less > > frazzled is that MMY has > > moved on - Skem and the group is history. Get > > recertified and move to > > another country, otherwise I (MMY) you're toast as > > far as I am > > concerned. Reports (unofficial of course) that > > Warburton can hardly > > get MMY's attention on anything to do with the UK > > anymore. MMY very > > angry with UK - let it go down the tubes. Some > > leaders of Skem (pretty > > high-handed in the past in my opinion) are > becoming > > pretty unglued - > > one is now talking about immigrating to New > Zealand, > > others to > > Ireland. There was some mention (again in small > > groups) about moving > > to the US - a fantastic idea, no doubt, for many > > people in their 50's, > > no history of work outside the TMO, and no health > > insurance. A fair > > amount of knee jerk reactions of basically going > > elsewhere to be "taken > > care of" by the TMO, but privately a significant > > number of people are > > being more reflective (mostly those who have made > a > > life and income > > outside the movement) that this is quite a release > > and has some > > interesting possibilities in terms of empowerment. > > > > > I was very disappointed with the feeling of a > large > > number of people > > (but not all) completely institutionalized and > > unable to think for > > themselves, and not yet realizing that they are on > > their own now. A > > significant and genuine sense of bereavement - > > people realizing slowly > > but surely that it is over. One thing that is > > different that is people > > at all levels, particularly the biggies, are > getting > > a crash course in > > expressing real honest feelings - the masks are > > coming down extremely > > rprapidly. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Skem Dome Meeting Last Night
An opportunity for great growth and spiritual maturity. When the thought occurs of MMY abandoning the US I experience a huge wave of bliss! -Peter --- scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Non-interesting dome meeting last night in Skem. > The usual variety of > stupid questions, taking into account the fact that > the TMO is being > closed down in the UK. Questions such as "Are we > allowed to have the > Ghandarva Veda concert next week" and other bullshit > questions. > > Not coincidentally Raja Peter Warburton (the current > biggie in the UK) > was not even present; feeling among the less > frazzled is that MMY has > moved on - Skem and the group is history. Get > recertified and move to > another country, otherwise I (MMY) you're toast as > far as I am > concerned. Reports (unofficial of course) that > Warburton can hardly > get MMY's attention on anything to do with the UK > anymore. MMY very > angry with UK - let it go down the tubes. Some > leaders of Skem (pretty > high-handed in the past in my opinion) are becoming > pretty unglued - > one is now talking about immigrating to New Zealand, > others to > Ireland. There was some mention (again in small > groups) about moving > to the US - a fantastic idea, no doubt, for many > people in their 50's, > no history of work outside the TMO, and no health > insurance. A fair > amount of knee jerk reactions of basically going > elsewhere to be "taken > care of" by the TMO, but privately a significant > number of people are > being more reflective (mostly those who have made a > life and income > outside the movement) that this is quite a release > and has some > interesting possibilities in terms of empowerment. > > I was very disappointed with the feeling of a large > number of people > (but not all) completely institutionalized and > unable to think for > themselves, and not yet realizing that they are on > their own now. A > significant and genuine sense of bereavement - > people realizing slowly > but surely that it is over. One thing that is > different that is people > at all levels, particularly the biggies, are getting > a crash course in > expressing real honest feelings - the masks are > coming down extremely > rprapidly. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Friggin scary?
on 5/28/05 11:16 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Seacrest seems to have crush for Vonzell! Naw, Carrie. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Friggin scary?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/28/05 11:16 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Seacrest seems to have crush for Vonzell! > > Naw, Carrie. I think Bo is closer to his orientation. Besides I think Carrie has the hots for Anthony Federov. Did you see her crying profussly when he got axed? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick Veda(r)
Rick, why did you create FFL in the first place? My recollection is that it had nothing to do with your getting hassled by the course office over the Amma stuff. That hassle began a few weeks after FFL, right? --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some leaders of Skem.. are becoming pretty > unglued - > > > > > > This sort of stuff is crazy-making. > > A lot of people on FFL, myself included, would be > a lot more > > unglued than we are, if Rick hadn't set up FFL > > some years ago, and saved our sanity. > > All glory to Rick. > > But he follows a fairly old tradition. There was > that listserv group > moderated by cooke? that lasted for years, prolly > starting in the > early 90's, then there was alt.tm, TM-ex newsletters > and then the > various websites. All sources of useful information > at times to over > the years, to help keep many grounded. > > Rick took 10 minutes one day -- and responded to the > need of the time > and set up FFL. And has spent some (still modest) > time with admin > duties. I don't view FFL as Rick's thing. Its a > community forum, Rick > just happened to throw out the first brick. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditate for a Fee or for Free
Get your free advanced techniques here! http://minet.org/mantras.html Looks a bit off, though, based on my personal experience. --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How difficult is it to teach an advanced technique? > Find it on the internet! > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 5/28/05 8:43:21 A.M. Central > > Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > My previous question still remains: who will > teach > > the advance > > techniques? > > > > > > > > > > some brave soul may try giving advanced techniques > > and if he has success > > others will try. > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: George Harrison i Royal Albert Hall
Paul Mason is correct in saying that Harrison did the conscert more for his own career. However, he did want to do it also to give NLP publicity and asked the movement to organize it. 3 people in Vlodrop/London worked fulltime on this for months. Harrison was nervous about the concert since he had not performed live in many years. However, it was a huge success with Ringo at the drums on some songs. At the reception after the concert Harrison was very happy and in bliss, and was presented with a cake-ceremony by Jeoffrey Clements and others from NLP. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
I know them all, but so does any nerd who read trancenet. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free In a message dated 5/28/05 8:43:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My previous question still remains: who will teach the advance techniques? some brave soul may try giving advanced techniques and if he has success others will try.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
That doesn't apply in the projects. - Original Message - From: jyouells2000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> If I was a TM teacher I would go teach TM for a pittance in theprojects in NOLA as a service. This was what I wanted to do, or atleast help spread the knowledge to where the expansion of possibilitywas really needed amongst the most impoverished and then guess what?Right at that moment MMY changed the course fee thereby snubbing mydesire to serve him and the people. That was in 2000.> > The problem that I have seen is that if you teach people for too low afee or free, they don't take it seriously and / or don't practice longenough or regularly enough to stay with it. $250 - $400 seems to workthe best if the goal is to have someone do TM long enough to see it'svalue. JohnYTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: EEG of Nirvikalpa, Witnessing and Mantra mediation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you see the video? > > Interesting mention of TM research. > > On May 28, 2005, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > I guess that is REALLY a mahasamadhi sinc the usual definition of > > zero brainwaves is "brain death." Even jello shows SOME electrical > > activity... I watched the video, very interesting. My question(s) is how do we interpret this information? In relation to the growth toward higher states of consciousness do these different sets of brainwave patterns correlate directly to achieving higher and higher states of consciousness? For example, a preponderance of alpha wave means level 2 has been achieved, beta waves level 3, theta waves level 4, delta waves level 5, etc. if you know what I mean. Also is spending time in certain brain wave states more conducive to overall growth or does one automatically graduate to a new pattern as growth continues? Or, does one technique need to be traded for another as different brain wave patterns are achieved on a consistent basis, in order to move on to the next "level"? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > which can occur regardless of the pathless path one is following; > Guru Dev, Buddha, Christ, all the same really. > Yea baby. There are no shades of crystal clear. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The difference between TM Techniques and liberation is the > difference between being a cook and following a recipe and being a > chef who is the recipe. > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > > > > > > - -- > - > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What a wonderful point. After pointing out repeatedly the Vipassana > > idea of teaching meditation in strict 10 day courses-- essentially > > starting out in a long residence course--and then only charging a > > donation, it is surprising that not one person responded. Everyone > > wants to make a buck. > > > > If people notice that it is being done as world-service, they would > > begin to allow teachers to use facilities for free. > > > > > > On May 28, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: > > > > > But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee > > > for something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about > > > going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to > > > making money out of the teaching > > ... but rent, gas, salaries, electricity has to be paid for. One > must be practical if teaching is to be an activity more than a > part time hobby supported by a day job. > Uns. I never really understand why it would be unacceptable to charge money for spiritual instruction? Money is just converted energy, payment is just trading your energy for some other energy. We pay for everything through barter, effort, time, money, guilt, whatever. How can it be avoided? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How difficult is it to teach an advanced technique? > Find it on the internet! > Is it just as effective when learned from a text as it is from a master or student of the master? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] For Want of a Nail
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/Nailrhyme.html A salutary lesson for the Movement here. For nail, substitute "a little common sense". Or "a reasonable pricing policy" will work too. Amazing wisdom in these ancient rhymes and stories that we all (in the West) learn at school. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That doesn't apply in the projects. > > > - Original Message - > From: jyouells2000 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:10 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I was a TM teacher I would go teach TM for a pittance in the > projects in NOLA as a service. This was what I wanted to do, or at > least help spread the knowledge to where the expansion of possibility > was really needed amongst the most impoverished and then guess what? > Right at that moment MMY changed the course fee thereby snubbing my > desire to serve him and the people. That was in 2000. > > > > > > The problem that I have seen is that if you teach people for too low a > fee or free, they don't take it seriously and / or don't practice long > enough or regularly enough to stay with it. $250 - $400 seems to work > the best if the goal is to have someone do TM long enough to see it's > value. > > JohnY > I know - was just speaking from my own direct experience in the region that I live in JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: EEG of Nirvikalpa, Witnessing and Mantra mediation
On May 28, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Rick wrote: > I watched the video, very interesting. > > My question(s) is how do we interpret this information? In relation > to the growth toward higher states of consciousness do these > different sets of brainwave patterns correlate directly to achieving > higher and higher states of consciousness? For example, a > preponderance of alpha wave means level 2 has been achieved, beta > waves level 3, theta waves level 4, delta waves level 5, etc. if you > know what I mean. The brain is the hardware of consciousness. So brain-wave functioning is merely the artifact of that hardware in different states of awareness--a convenient yard stick if you will. > Also is spending time in certain brain wave states more conducive to > overall growth or does one automatically graduate to a new pattern > as growth continues? Or, does one technique need to be traded for > another as different brain wave patterns are achieved on a > consistent basis, in order to move on to the next "level"? We need new methods to go to the higher states--these methods may be "non methods" where you don't meditate on anything. Mantra yoga--savikalpa samadhi will take you to continuous witnessing after about 20 years or more as he points out. Nirvakalpa is great for burning of the dross and as Patanjali points out, it's this state which will take you to complete liberation because it pulls the weeds out from the root. Entire complexes of negative thought disappear. Yogic states of samadhi produces states which won't last. The formless and seedless meditations, meditation of Brahman and Nirvikalpa are the keys to permanent liberation IMO. -Vaj. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick Veda(r)
-Original Message-From: gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:40:30 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick Veda(r)>Rick, why did you create FFL in the first place? My>recollection is that it had nothing to do with your >getting hassled by the course office over the Amma>stuff. That hassle began a few weeks after FFL, right? There had been some sort of discussion in the Weekly Reader. LB had written something in response to something John Hagelin had written, or maybe the other way around. The Reader couldn't publish all the responses people wanted to write, so I created FFL and published a brief mention of it in the Reader, inviting people who wanted to keep discussing the issue (and other things) to do so on FFL. A few days after that 9/11 happened, and a few days after that they pulled my dome badge because of my Amma involvement. They didn't know about FFL yet, for which they surely would have de-badged me by now anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Veda(r)
I guess I've been away from the TMO too long. Unbelievable that this happened. Sounds like the 'little strutters' are firmly in place at MIU or MUM or HOHUM... Anyone supporting such tactics is purely a moron in my opinion. Very odd how such a technique for liberation can be used for oppression. It does prove one thing though, that the Absolute is truly 'the field of all possibilities'. Wow! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: they pulled my dome badge because of my Amma involvement. They didn't know about FFL yet, for which they surely would have de-badged me by now anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because what I will do is > beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and beyond the > imagination of any man" > Maharishi m'thinks the good Maharishi was having a little problem with megalomania when he said this, yes? G To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: EEG of Nirvikalpa, Witnessing and Mantra mediation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did you see the video? > > > > Interesting mention of TM research. > > > > On May 28, 2005, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > I guess that is REALLY a mahasamadhi sinc the usual definition of > > > zero brainwaves is "brain death." Even jello shows SOME > electrical > > > activity... > > I watched the video, very interesting. I'm afraid rather than electrical activity of the brain, the gadged reacted to body movements. It seems like it was made by Bonk Business. The lad just adjusted the sensitivity of various channels according to what kind of results he wanted, IMO. http://www.bonkcentre.fi/p2_eng.htm > > My question(s) is how do we interpret this information? In relation > to the growth toward higher states of consciousness do these > different sets of brainwave patterns correlate directly to achieving > higher and higher states of consciousness? For example, a > preponderance of alpha wave means level 2 has been achieved, beta > waves level 3, theta waves level 4, delta waves level 5, etc. if you > know what I mean. > > Also is spending time in certain brain wave states more conducive to > overall growth or does one automatically graduate to a new pattern > as growth continues? Or, does one technique need to be traded for > another as different brain wave patterns are achieved on a > consistent basis, in order to move on to the next "level"? > > Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GW Bush at MIU in 1988
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But then Sam Walton went there once, maybe the Bush's knew him. *** Walmart founder Sam Walton had bone cancer, and in desperation, since allopathic medicine had written him off, was seeking Ayurveda treatments at MIU -- didn't help with this advanced stage of the disease. Walmart agreed to hire a few MIU MBAs, but that was the extent of his committment to TM/MIU, AFAIK. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
