[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Dreams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody for a game of two-card Monte? What, again? Just no Full Montes, please. Oh, come on! Spoilsport! Now you've *warned* them. You like men dancing naked for you? Seems retro to me, but Ok, Go for it. Stripping is only bad when women do it, doncha know? :-) Sort of like what they say about sex? Even when its bad, its real good. Or the Woody Allen line that got me laid the most in the TM days, Sex without love is an empty experience, but as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. If you could get laid so easily like that, you've got a good reason to start meditating again and get back into the TMO -): Never stopped meditating, but wouldn't touch the TMO, or many of its women, with a ten-foot pole. I've gotten pickier as I got older. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Dreams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sort of like what they say about sex? Even when its bad, its real good. Or the Woody Allen line that got me laid the most in the TM days, Sex without love is an empty experience, but as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. If you could get laid so easily like that, you've got a good reason to start meditating again and get back into the TMO -): He's just set up a lot of deep sanskaras that will haunt him later. I can see him at 80, in a wheel chair, off a fashionable Paris blvd, coughing and in a horse voice saying to jeanne femmes as they stroll by, hey, baby, wanna hear a good Woody Allen joke? Come on baby, talk to me. Hey sugar plum, come on, daddy won't bite. Hey, dont walk away, hey -- I'm talking talking to you *Motorized* wheelchair. Faster than a speeding bimbo. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it was a JOKE! An exageration. A satire. Jojeful ribbing. Meant in fun. Yes, I got it, my friend! I appreciate it! :-D I am sure (as Judy says) I *do* overuse the *lol*s and the :-)s, so that I may seem insincere, and so you can't tell here when I am specifically laughing at (and with) what you say. But what can I say? In the flesh I do smile and laugh most of the time, and my words just seem so flat and serious here without the accompanying cues! :-) It's a problem. I share your frustration with it being misunderstood sometimes. Many people are so bloody SERIOUS that they just can't get someone who isn't, and who is laughing much of the time. So you try to use emoticons to get the point across, and it has the opposite effect, and they get even more uptight. Go figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am sure (as Judy says) I *do* overuse the *lol*s and the :-)s, so that I may seem insincere, and so you can't tell here when I am specifically laughing at (and with) what you say. The overuse just gets old, like somebody who never varies their tone of voice. The real problem is when the lols and smiley faces don't seem to belong to what you're actually saying. I can't speak for Rory, but I *NEVER* use smileys unless I am actually laughing or smiling big-time when I post what I post. If someone feels that this is not true, IMO they might need to lighten up a bit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] PA: Filmmaker Lynch pushes transcendental meditation
http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/09/29/433b7e9e472d8 Filmmaker Lynch pushes transcendental meditation [Becca Starr/The Daily Pennsylvanian] Director David Lynch speaks to students and community members in Harrison Auditorium last night about his films and Transcendental Meditation. By beth sussman September 29, 2005 Award-winning film director David Lynch closed his eyes and moved his lips as a member of the audience asked him a question. In doing so, Lynch proved his belief in the power of transcendental meditation. Lynch spoke at Penn's Harrison Auditorium to an audience consisting of both Penn students and just as many -- if not more -- Philadelphia residents. Lynch's popularity with the audience was obvious. Aside from the roar of applause upon his entrance from the crowd -- which filled the 790-seat auditorium -- an overflow line of fans unable to get in wrapped around the building. I'm not so surprised about the line up to get in, Philadelphia resident Ben Faranda, 28, said. I'm surprised I got in, quite frankly. Although Lynch entertained questions about his films, he focused mainly on discussing his new organization, the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace, which aims to raise money to train students to practice transcendental meditation. While most questions were related to Lynch's extensive film career, every answer seemed to relate back to meditation. I believe everyone who lives in Philadelphia could use transcendental meditation, said Lynch, who lived in Philadelphia for five years. I started shortly after I left here. I had so much anxiety, fear and anger. Transcendental meditation is the vehicle to take you to that eternal field of being, Lynch continued. I came out to talk about this because I truly believe it will bring peace on Earth. The symposium also consisted of three scientists, John Hagelin, Andrew Newberg and Fred Travis, who discussed the brain's response to meditation. Hagelin presented meditation as a favorable alternative to prescribed drugs. We need something better, something natural, Hagelin said. Medically, meditation is useful, but educationally, it's vital. Travis showed how meditation could be educationally beneficial with an electroencephalogram demonstration. His subject, Shane Sismen, sat on the stage with 32 sensors attached to his head as he meditated. The audience witnessed his brain activity gain rhythm and higher altitudes, both signs of a restful state. The fatigue, high stress, bad food and alcohol of your college experience is bad for your brain, said Travis, author of Is College Bad for Your Brain? Through meditation, you can be restful and alert in class, rather than tired and bored. I felt David Lynch was [a] compelling speaker, College senior Andrea Scott said. He put transcendental meditation in a nice package, whether you could understand its scientific effects or not. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Important Message from Raja LoPinto of Potomac Vedic America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is Raja Dean's real name.? Raja Dinowitz. The name got changed at Ellis Island. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Governors and Sidhas, As many of you may already know, Maharishi has asked Raja Dean and his family to move into the Peace Palace and utilize the entire second floor so that their family may be comfortable. This is a great blessing for our community and for the world as Maharishi continues to direct his attention to our area and specifically to the critical need for greater coherence in Washington , DC, where, Maharishi recently told me, The national stress is making the President so wild. Maharishi has great concern about the destructive policies of our nation's leaders, and is now directing Raja Dean's activities daily to expand our Movement in Washington and thereby purify and bring coherence to that city. Accordingly, Maharishi feels that it is critical for Raja Dean and his family to be in proper vastu so that they may experience maximum support of Nature for the important role he is engaged in. In the coming weeks and months, you will hear more about these new activities of our Movement's expansion in Washington. Our community has always been at the forefront in our Movement of completely embracing Maharishi's wishes and Divine guidance - our having built the first Peace Palace is but one symbol of that. And it is clear that Maharishi knows and appreciates this, which is another reason why his attention has increasingly been on our Peace Palace and region as evidenced by him making this a Time Zone Capital, having Vedic Experts living here, having daily live Vedic Recitations at the Peace Palace (Maharishi had us place a network camera in the Hall of Knowledge so he can watch this each day via the internet), and his having sent Raja Dean and his family here from Richmond to purify and expand our Movement in Washington. This is a beautiful and rare thing in our Movement, and all of you are to be congratulated and blessed for your persistent vision and support. I should note that Maharishi had requested this move over 6 months ago and continues to ask Raja Dean if he has done it. However, Raja Dean delayed moving in for many months because of his concern for displacing group program and the people working in the building. But Maharishi's focus is on the whole world and the influential role that Washington plays in it, and so he persisted in asking Raja Dean to make the move immediately. Raja Dean had recently moved into all but the flying halls, but has now completed their move and so the program has temporarily been relocated to a neighboring building that we have rented for this purpose (see information below). Our community's great vision and steadfast commitment to Maharishi has also brought us the good fortune of being the first community to have a second Peace Palace where land has been purchased. Through the efforts of Jeffrey Abramson, this new building is in the governmental approval process, which we expect will be completed within the coming months. While this is happening, we are also working on obtaining financing for the building so that we can begin construction upon obtaining the approvals. After completion of this new Peace Palace, our group program will once again return to the Peace Palace(s), and from this bastion of bliss that we are creating from our campus in North Bethesda, our region will begin to burst forth in the Light of God and assume its rightful role of leading the world in peace and harmony. I know that I speak for all of us when I say that our commitment is based on our dear love for Maharishi, for the great Vedic Knowledge that he has revived in its purity and has brought to all of us and the world, and for all that Maharishi is doing to rid the world of suffering and discomfort and bring peace and harmony to the minds and hearts of all mankind. We are Maharishi's Movement, all of us, and you are all the greatest examples of this Movement. The history books and all future generations will offer great thanks to your leadership in this cause of all causes! I know you will all join me in continuing to warmly embrace our dear Raja Dean and his family, and to offer all of our support to make them as comfortable as possible in their new home. Finally, I would like to have a meeting with our entire community in the coming weeks and will send an email announcement about that in the next few days. In that meeting, it will be wonderful to welcome our 2 new Directors, Donna Schechtman and Peter DeRuiter (whom, you may recall, used to work at the front desk before he attended the recent TTC). I would also like to discuss some new
[FairfieldLife] Re: Important Message from Raja LoPinto of Potomac Vedic America
"off_world_beings" wrote: What is Raja Dean's real name.? Dr. Dean Dodrill Raja of Vedic Washington -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it was a JOKE! An exageration. A satire. Jojeful ribbing. Meant in fun. Yes, I got it, my friend! I appreciate it! :-D I am sure (as Judy says) I *do* overuse the *lol*s and the :-)s, so that I may seem insincere, and so you can't tell here when I am specifically laughing at (and with) what you say. But what can I say? In the flesh I do smile and laugh most of the time, and my words just seem so flat and serious here without the accompanying cues! :-) It's a problem. I share your frustration with it being misunderstood sometimes. Many people are so bloody SERIOUS that they just can't get someone who isn't, and who is laughing much of the time. So you try to use emoticons to get the point across, and it has the opposite effect, and they get even more uptight. Go figure. No, Barry, it doesn't make anybody uptight, despite your fondest wishes. What it does is make *you* look phony. It's like a standup comic who laughs at his own jokes. The really funny comics are those who stay deadpan. If you can't get your humor across without smileys, it just wasn't very funny to begin with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am sure (as Judy says) I *do* overuse the *lol*s and the :-) s, so that I may seem insincere, and so you can't tell here when I am specifically laughing at (and with) what you say. The overuse just gets old, like somebody who never varies their tone of voice. The real problem is when the lols and smiley faces don't seem to belong to what you're actually saying. I can't speak for Rory, but I *NEVER* use smileys unless I am actually laughing or smiling big-time when I post what I post. If someone feels that this is not true, IMO they might need to lighten up a bit. Or they might be better at seeing through your pretentions than you think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am sure (as Judy says) I *do* overuse the *lol*s and the :-) s, so that I may seem insincere, and so you can't tell here when I am specifically laughing at (and with) what you say. The overuse just gets old, like somebody who never varies their tone of voice. The real problem is when the lols and smiley faces don't seem to belong to what you're actually saying. I can't speak for Rory, but I *NEVER* use smileys unless I am actually laughing or smiling big-time when I post what I post. If someone feels that this is not true, IMO they might need to lighten up a bit. Or they might be better at seeing through your pretentions than you think. I've often found that people who rarely laugh themselves find that those who laugh often are pretending to do so. I'm pretty sure Rory has run into the same thing. It's a burden, but we'll somehow survive, and laugh about *it* as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The real problem is when the lols and smiley faces don't seem to belong to what you're actually saying. Yes, I understand how you feel that this often makes me look insincere. That is when (IMO) they would often appear to be *especially* useful, as they are intended to lighten up what otherwise may sound far heavier and more solemn than is my intent. Actually they have exactly the opposite effect. They call attention to the heaviness because they're so discordant with it. There is no heaviness. There is only your perception of lightness as heavy. Not everyone sees things that way. They make it seem as though the heaviness is *so* heavy that you feel you have to disguise it or put protective padding around it, whereas a bit of straightforward, up-front heaviness wouldn't tend to stand out the same way and would just be taken as a matter of course. Your call, of course, but to be honest you are not exactly someone I would count on as an expert in humor or lightness. I have seen so little of it coming from you over the years that I have my doubts about your ability to recognize it in others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it was a JOKE! An exageration. A satire. Jojeful ribbing. Meant in fun. Yes, I got it, my friend! I appreciate it! :-D I am sure (as Judy says) I *do* overuse the *lol*s and the :-) s, so that I may seem insincere, and so you can't tell here when I am specifically laughing at (and with) what you say. But what can I say? In the flesh I do smile and laugh most of the time, and my words just seem so flat and serious here without the accompanying cues! :-) It's a problem. I share your frustration with it being misunderstood sometimes. Many people are so bloody SERIOUS that they just can't get someone who isn't, and who is laughing much of the time. So you try to use emoticons to get the point across, and it has the opposite effect, and they get even more uptight. Go figure. No, Barry, it doesn't make anybody uptight, despite your fondest wishes. What it does is make *you* look phony. It's like a standup comic who laughs at his own jokes. The really funny comics are those who stay deadpan. If you can't get your humor across without smileys, it just wasn't very funny to begin with. Have you ever considered the possibility that you're just a humorless bitch? :-) You didn't even get that Lama Ole was being funny. You tried to turn it into a slam against Vaj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hari Om, I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity consciousness and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. What point is that? Can you give an example? The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition says this. Hmmm. Must've missed that part. This object [the siddhis] is not for him, who is knower of the Self, for he, the knower of the Self, has in view only the Self. He is content by himself and in himself and does not go after these products of ignorance. --Laghu Yogavasistha, as quoted by Vidaranya It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Where exactly did it say that? See: http://tinyurl.com/cx4ff Vaj's story seems to have changed a bit since that post, though. But perhaps he's discovered passages that refer explicitly to yogic flying as an obstacle. These are obstacles to samadhi; they are powers in the worldly state. te samaadhaav upasargaa, vyutthaane siddhayaH. samaadhaav: sandhi for locative singular samaadhau siddhayaH : nominative plural of siddhi Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if one translated samaadhau to 'in samaadhi' instead of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood the Sanskrit approximately correctly). For instance in YS I 13 locative singular sthitau which is analogous to samaadhau, IMO roughly has the meaning 'in sthiti', despite the fact that translating it exactly like that (in staying) would sound a bit awkward in English. Moreover, in a concrete connection locative usually translates to 'in...', as nagare, 'in the city'. OTOH, it's true that locative should often be tranlated to 'into' (Coulson: end result of motion).An example from Coulson: *jale* baalaM kSipati (he throws the child into the water). But there is certainly not an explicit verb of motion in the suutra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05 4:40 PM, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition says this. Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Where exactly did it say that? One place is: Knowledge of Cosmic Consciousness 5. The Renunciation of the Knower 5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins 5.1.4. The two terms (paramahamsa and yogin) are used together in order to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is only a paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because of his lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of yogic power, such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc., and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various samyama formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim of human existence, Cosmic Consciousness. -- jiivanmuktiviveka 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati. Nice! Is that your own transliteration? (There seems to be a couple of minor typos in it, of the type I myself tend to make, but overall it's very good compared to what one usually sees.) Which part of that translates to cosmic consciousness? I guess it's implied. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Laughing to Enlightenment
One of the reasons I think some spiritual seekers don't make more progress is that they don't laugh enough. If you're not involved in the discussions between solemn, earnest, dedicated, If you don't take me as seriously as I take myself I'll kill you spiritual seekers and those who are more lighthearted, and are watching the discussions dispassionately from the sidelines, you can often see that they work out in ever-repeating samskaric cycles. One seeker pokes fun at the other for being so serious, and the first reacts by becoming even more serious. Or one lighthearted seeker, who is having a *really* good day and perceives almost *everything* as funny that day, laughs his way through his posts and includes a bunch of smileys to try to clue others into his mood. And how do the serious seekers react to this? They get even more serious, and try their best to keep the first person from being funny, or from expressing it. It's just the weirdest thing. I never found Hindu-based traditions to be big on humor, but to be honest my experience was mainly limited to a Hindu-based tradition that was so uptight that it claimed for decades that it wasn't Hindu. :-) In Buddhism it's a very different story. There is a LOT of laughter in Buddhism. If you get the time, there are a series of light-hearted Web pages called Laughing to Enlightenment that have some wonderful essays on this subject, and the ups and downs of actually being a happy seeker in a world full of people who feel that laughter is an affront to being a serious seeker. In one of them http://www.hundredmountain.com/Pages/pageone_stuff/laughing_feb00/lau ghing5.html the author talks about a wonderful cartoon series called Dharma the Cat, which some of you may know. His insights into what makes the strip so funny have, in my opinion, a lot to say about recent attempts here to berate others for using smileys and just being who they are: One of the reasons Bodhi is such a funny character is because he takes himself so seriously. Not laughing at oneself in one's earnestness only makes one's predicament funnier to others. In fact I have described Bodhi's character as `a novice monk who is stumbling earnestly along the Buddha's path, stepping squarely into every spiritual pitfall.' I think his unrelenting earnestness is the key to his funniness. Also, people ask me, `When is Bodhi going to get it together?' Well, there is a lot more humour available in observing people's mistakes than in observing their successes. So if Bodhi is going to continue to give us his enjoyable `how not to' lessons, he is going to have to forego enlight- enment for quite some time -- in the true spirit of a Bodhisattva. That's really the issue, in my opinion. Many people who get uptight at laughter in others and attempt to stifle it are doing so because they are afraid that the others are laughing at *them*. And they're *right*, of course. And the more uptight they get about being laughed at, the more earnestly they attempt to berate others for (God help us!) *laughing*, the funnier they become to the laughers, and the more they laugh. The uptight, oh-so-serious seekers are really missing something. NOTHING is more liberating than *joining in* when someone is laughing at you. It indicates that you don't take yourself seriously, and thus that your problems *with* self aren't that serious. The opposite, seekers who get even *more* uptight when someone laughs at them in an attempt to help them laugh at themselves, may indicate a lot of problems with letting go of self. And thus a lot of laughs ahead for those watching. For those who want to check out Dharma the Cat: http://www.dharmathecat.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Multiple Interpretations Possible
It's a problem. I share your frustration with it being misunderstood sometimes. Many people are so bloody SERIOUS that they just can't get someone who isn't, and who is laughing much of the time. So you try to use emoticons to get the point across, and it has the opposite effect, and they get even more uptight. Go figure. No, Barry, it doesn't make anybody uptight, despite your fondest wishes. What it does is make *you* look phony. It's like a standup comic who laughs at his own jokes. The really funny comics are those who stay deadpan. If you can't get your humor across without smileys, it just wasn't very funny to begin with. I agree in concept. But in practice, sometimes statements can be read in different ways. Either as an insult, or as a funny barb. Some, I notice, rarely get the latter, unless it is BROADCAST clearly. hey joke coming up ... ok that was a joke. One might argue it wasn't funny then. I disagree. Thats not always the case. I find, often, When the serious reader reads the barb / satire in a new light (oh its a joke), they do laugh. I have examples, I have names. (and thats a funny sentence -- but without voice nuance, many may read it as serious.) Without voice nuance, distinguishing between multiple possible interpreations is a problem. One thing mature readers can do, is, before going off on some pitta rampage, is think I am seeing this as an insult. I wonder if it can be seen in another light. Sort of like the foreground / background figures. Why some are predisposed to first see everything as insults, well thats another issue. It would probably take a good therapist to unravel it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 8:05 PM, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I'm reading the front page of the Thurs Sept. 29th Wall Street Journal, which sez that ID is just a synonym for creationism... ...and which is also a synonym for Hindu fundamentalists who claim that Rig Veda is the foundation of creation and quantum reality...same thing, different culture... Exactly. And IMO the whole tsimus arises from one unchallenged linear assumption -- that there WAS a first Creation. If you don't assume that, it becomes a much more interesting ballgame. Yes, but if you bring THAT idea into the discussion, believe me, you will be blasted by the anti-ID scientists more than they do to the fundamentalit creationists. They will treat you like the plague, because this idea has no merits whatsoever in current classically prejudiced scientific thinking about the quantum universe. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diamond Way
VAj: Raphael Patai's _The Hebrew Goddess_ is a real eye opener if this kind of thing is new to you. from amazon reviews Dr. Raphael Patai, a noted Hebrew scholar and anthropologist and author of the HEBREW GODDESS is also the co-author of HEBREW MYTHS with Robert Graves (THE WHITE GODDESS). Those who wish to continue reading about the goddess in ancient religions will find parts of the HEBREW GODDESS quite interesting, however, Patai's book is not as lyrical as Graves' and not as readable in some sections as others. I found passages dealing with archeology in the Holy Land and quotations from the Old-Testament more interesting, and the sections dealing with the rabbinical writing of the Talmudic period proved difficult to follow (and stay awake). Essentially, Patai is not suggesting Judaism has reverted to polytheism or kept a goddess in the closet all this time. He says the legitimate Jewish faith, beginning with the earliest formulations of its belief-system ...has always been built upon the axiom of One God. He says Maimonides, the greatest medieval Jewish philosopher said, God is not a body, nor can bodily attributes be ascribed to him. Still, mere mortals have had difficulty understanding God as an abstract concept, and thus have ascribed human characteristics to him.. Patai says throughout it's history Judaism has stressed the moral and intellectual aspects of God and often neglected the affective and emotional dimensions. However, since the earliest times, the Jewish people have understood God through myths and these myths personify God. This personification of God has included the goddess worship Jerimiah decried, the female attributes of the Cherubim that guarded the Ark of the Covenant, the myths of Lillith, the visions of the Shekina during the Talmudic period, and the rise of the Matronite in the 15th-18th Centuries. Kabbalism during the Middle Ages was mass movement among Jews. During this period, a popular-mythical version of the Matronite overtook and dominated the scholarly-mystical variant. The attachment among Jews to the Matronite (mother of God) had a marked resemblance to Marioloatry among Christians in the Latin countries. Kabbala mysticism was associated with the Sephardic and Hasidic elements of Judaism which also associated with the Latin countries. Apparently, the Ashkenazi Jews were not as irrational and after the Jewish Enlightenment, their perspective became the dominant Orthodoxy. Still, the Sephardic practicies associated with the Sabboath, which men were instructed to keep Holy continued. Patai describes the rituals of Friday night which included the Seder meal and sexual consumation of the scholar and his wife as serving the purpose of reuniting God with his wife--Shekina. Patai's original book has been expanded with new chapters covering the Shekina in greater detail. Although he stresses the importance of the theological it is not clear even yet that ordinary practicioners understand the difference between the Goddess personified and the female aspect of the One God. - The Bible gives the impression that all ancient Jews shared a common belief system ... with only an occasional group straying from the fold. But the evidence paints a different picture. As Dr. Patai states, ... it would be strange if the Hebrew-Jewish religion, which flourished for centuries in a region of intensive goddess cults, had remained immune to them. Archaeologists have uncovered Hebrew settlements where the goddesses Asherah and Astarte-Anath were routinely worshipped. And in fact, we find that for about 3,000 years, the Hebrews worshipped female deities which were later eradicated only by extreme pressure of the male-dominated priesthood. And then there's the matter of the Cherubim that sat atop the Ark of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies. Fashioned by Phoenician craftsmen for Solomon and Ahab, an ivory tablet shows two winged females facing each other. And one tablet shows male and female members of the Cherubim embracing in an explicitly sexual position that embarrassed later Jewish historians ... and even the pagans were shocked when they saw it for the first time. This cult of the feminine goddess, though often repressed, remained a part of the faith of the Jewish people. Goddesses answered the need for mother, lover, queen, intercessor ... and even today, lingers cryptically in the traditional Hebrew Sabbath invocation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 8:05 PM, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I'm reading the front page of the Thurs Sept. 29th Wall Street Journal, which sez that ID is just a synonym for creationism... ...and which is also a synonym for Hindu fundamentalists who claim that Rig Veda is the foundation of creation and quantum reality...same thing, different culture... Exactly. And IMO the whole tsimus arises from one unchallenged linear assumption -- that there WAS a first Creation. If you don't assume that, it becomes a much more interesting ballgame. Yes, but if you bring THAT idea into the discussion, believe me, you will be blasted by the anti-ID scientists more than they do to the fundamentalit creationists. They will treat you like the plague, because this idea has no merits whatsoever in current classically prejudiced scientific thinking about the quantum universe. OffWorld Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diamond Way
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monotheism liked to impose a kind of brand-name exclusivity on their worshippers--no other gods before me, etc. Jealous gods...just great... Work on your jealousy and then get back to me, ok god? LOL. That's it exactly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the best spiritual practices I ever received was called The Inner Smile. Inner Smile (Inner Smile Meditation, inner smile technique): A foundational component of the Healing Tao System. Inner Smile is a relaxation technique that allegedly increases the flow of chi. Practitioners smile inwardly at organs and glands. http://www.healing-tao.co.uk/ht_innersmile.htm Smile at the Organ Breathe in its energy and colour Reflect upon its Element, Season and Virtue Thank it for all it does to sustain your Life and see it smile back at you - The following is the basic Inner Smile practice, taken from several of Mantak Chia's books: Awaken Healing Energy Through the Tao, pp.21-28; Taoist Ways to Transform Stress into Vitality, pp.40-58; and Awaken Healing Light of the Tao, pp.88-103. For more detail, and also to see how this meditation relates to other, more advanced, techniques, consult these books. Preparation For The Inner Smile Wait at least an hour after eating to begin the practice. Choose a quiet spot. Later on (as you become more experienced) you will be able to practice almost anywhere with any noise. Dress warmly enough not to be chilled. Sit comfortably near the edge of your chair with your feet flat on the floor. Keep your back straight, but not stiff. Stay relaxed, and clasp your hands together in your lap, left palm on bottom, right palm on top. Close your eyes and become aware of the soles of your feet. Feel their connection to the ground and the energy of the earth. Create a source of smiling energy up to three feet in front of you. This can be an image of your own smiling face, or of someone or something you love and respect, or any memory of a time in which you felt deeply at peace, perhaps feeling sunshine, being by the ocean, or walking in a forest. Become aware of the midpoint between your eyebrows through which you will draw this abundant smiling energy in front of and around you. Let your forehead relax, and allow the Third Eye to open. As the smiling energy accumulates at the mid-eyebrow, it will eventually overflow into your body. Smiling Down The Organs - The Front Line Allow the smiling energy to flow down from the mid-eyebrow through your face, relaxing the cheeks, nose, mouth, and all the facial muscles. Let it flow down through your neck. You can roll your head slowly and gently from side to side as you do this. The Thymus Gland. Let the smiling energy flow down to your thymus gland, which is located behind the upper part of your sternum, and picture it glowing with vibrant health. Feel the thymus gland become warm as it begins to vibrate and expand like a flower blossoming. The Heart. Feel the stream of relaxation flow down into your heart. People who are nervous or who anger quickly often experience pain and tense feelings in and about the heart. Extending the smile relieves stored tension and enables a new kind of functioning to take place. Spend as much here as you need to feel the heart relax and expand with loving energy. This expansion will feel like a flower blossoming. Fill your heart with love. Let your heart be your sweetheart. The Lungs. Radiate the love in your heart to your lungs. Feel your lungs soften and breathe with new ease. feel the air inside lighten up as it enters and leaves the lungs. Feel their moist spongy quality as you relax and fill your lungs with energy. The Liver. Now smile into your liver on the right side, just below the rib cage. If your liver is hard, if it is difficult to feel, soften it with your smile. Smile it back to life, rejuvenate it with your love. The Pancreas. Let the smiling energy now flow across the abdomen to the pancreas, which is located within the left lower rib cage. Thank it for its work, and see that it is healthy and functioning smoothly. The Spleen. Continuing around to the left, smile into the spleen. Don't worry if you don't know exactly where it is. If you smile in that direction you will gradually get in touch with it. If you need to, return to the source of smiling energy in front of you, and let it flow through the mid-eyebrow and down to the area of the spleen. As smiling, loving energy builds up in the spleen, let it flow into the kidneys. The Kidneys. Direct the smile to your two kidneys, in your lower back just below the rib cage on either side of the spine. The adrenal glands sit on top of them. Smile at your adrenals, and they may send you a burst of adrenalin. The kidney is the lower transformer of the veins and arteries. Smile to the kidneys and fill them with love. Like the heart, this will increase the flow of chi circulating through the body. Next, send the smiling energy into the urinary bladder, urethra, genitals, and perineum. Smiling Down The Digestive System - The Middle Line Smile once more in your eyes. Smile down into your mouth and swish your tongue
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the reasons I think some spiritual seekers don't make more progress is that they don't laugh enough. Actually, that's one of my problems when I meditate in a group. Some five to ten minutes into TM, I often start laughing, almost literally my ass off. I feel like I'm disturbing the others, and try to stifle(?) my laughter. I guess it would be better to let it come out as it pleases, so to speak. One of the advantages of having a spiritual teacher who was funnier than 95% of the professional comedians I've ever seen was that it became not only acceptable to laugh in pretty much any situation, but expected. Does wonders for lightening up the whole spiritual path. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. And thusly, much of string theory is and must always be non-science. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. Are you positive that science will never be able to sense and/or measure a creator? Can you or anyone present a rigourous proof proof that? If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. And thusly, much of string theory is and must always be non-science. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
That's it! The only problem with *reading* these explanations is that you get the sense of this long, involved process whereas, in practice and once learned, one can do it simply and quickly. On 9/30/05 9:47 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is the basic Inner Smile practice, taken from several of Mantak Chia's books: Awaken Healing Energy Through the Tao, pp.21-28; Taoist Ways to Transform Stress into Vitality, pp.40-58; and Awaken Healing Light of the Tao, pp.88-103. For more detail, and also to see how this meditation relates to other, more advanced, techniques, consult these books. Preparation For The Inner Smile Wait at least an hour after eating to begin the practice. Choose a quiet spot. Later on (as you become more experienced) you will be able to practice almost anywhere with any noise. Dress warmly enough not to be chilled. Sit comfortably near the edge of your chair with your feet flat on the floor. Keep your back straight, but not stiff. Stay relaxed, and clasp your hands together in your lap, left palm on bottom, right palm on top. Close your eyes and become aware of the soles of your feet. Feel their connection to the ground and the energy of the earth. Create a source of smiling energy up to three feet in front of you. This can be an image of your own smiling face, or of someone or something you love and respect, or any memory of a time in which you felt deeply at peace, perhaps feeling sunshine, being by the ocean, or walking in a forest. Become aware of the midpoint between your eyebrows through which you will draw this abundant smiling energy in front of and around you. Let your forehead relax, and allow the Third Eye to open. As the smiling energy accumulates at the mid-eyebrow, it will eventually overflow into your body. Smiling Down The Organs - The Front Line Allow the smiling energy to flow down from the mid-eyebrow through your face, relaxing the cheeks, nose, mouth, and all the facial muscles. Let it flow down through your neck. You can roll your head slowly and gently from side to side as you do this. The Thymus Gland. Let the smiling energy flow down to your thymus gland, which is located behind the upper part of your sternum, and picture it glowing with vibrant health. Feel the thymus gland become warm as it begins to vibrate and expand like a flower blossoming. The Heart. Feel the stream of relaxation flow down into your heart. People who are nervous or who anger quickly often experience pain and tense feelings in and about the heart. Extending the smile relieves stored tension and enables a new kind of functioning to take place. Spend as much here as you need to feel the heart relax and expand with loving energy. This expansion will feel like a flower blossoming. Fill your heart with love. Let your heart be your sweetheart. The Lungs. Radiate the love in your heart to your lungs. Feel your lungs soften and breathe with new ease. feel the air inside lighten up as it enters and leaves the lungs. Feel their moist spongy quality as you relax and fill your lungs with energy. The Liver. Now smile into your liver on the right side, just below the rib cage. If your liver is hard, if it is difficult to feel, soften it with your smile. Smile it back to life, rejuvenate it with your love. The Pancreas. Let the smiling energy now flow across the abdomen to the pancreas, which is located within the left lower rib cage. Thank it for its work, and see that it is healthy and functioning smoothly. The Spleen. Continuing around to the left, smile into the spleen. Don't worry if you don't know exactly where it is. If you smile in that direction you will gradually get in touch with it. If you need to, return to the source of smiling energy in front of you, and let it flow through the mid-eyebrow and down to the area of the spleen. As smiling, loving energy builds up in the spleen, let it flow into the kidneys. The Kidneys. Direct the smile to your two kidneys, in your lower back just below the rib cage on either side of the spine. The adrenal glands sit on top of them. Smile at your adrenals, and they may send you a burst of adrenalin. The kidney is the lower transformer of the veins and arteries. Smile to the kidneys and fill them with love. Like the heart, this will increase the flow of chi circulating through the body. Next, send the smiling energy into the urinary bladder, urethra, genitals, and perineum. Smiling Down The Digestive System - The Middle Line Smile once more in your eyes. Smile down into your mouth and swish your tongue around to collect saliva. When your mouth is filled with saliva, put the tip of your tongue to your palate, tighten your neck muscles, and swallow hard and quickly, making a gulping sound as you do. With your inner smile follow the saliva down your oesophagus, through your internal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the best spiritual practices I ever received was called The Inner Smile. One of the people I learned it from had gone to China to study under some Taoist master who taught rare, very advanced practices which were still kept very secret. Of course he had some concern after traveling to this remote region that he might be rejected and he wouldn't get the teachings he sought. After meeting the teacher and requesting the teachings he desired the teacher said to him, simply do you know how to smile at yourself? The student, who had practiced the Inner Smile as part of his practice for a long time, immediately broke out into a smile realizing what the teacher was referring to. Oh yes he responded. He got the teaching he requested. Meat. There was a short period about five years ago when I was having some issues in the dream plane. I almost NEVER have nightmares, and haven't for my entire life, so when badass demon types start showing up in my dreams and trying to kill me, and it's the same badasses every night, I pay attention. Some- thing is going on. As it happened, I described what was going on to a friend of mine who was studying with a Taoist herb master, and my friend passed along a mantra that had been given to him especially for dispelling evil forces or demons. My friend told me what the mantra was, and that night I went to sleep and the badasses showed up again, and I managed to get lucid in the dream and shout out the mantra at them. It was impressive, to say the least. They caught fire and burned up, leaving nothing but flakes of ash, like after you burn a pile of autumn leaves. I've never had those particular badasses or any other seemingly malevolent being appear in my dreams since. What makes this story relevant in a funny way is that the mantra was HA. Yup, HA, as in ha ha. It means something totally different in Chinese, of course, but I have been amused ever since that the thing that can make malevolent spirits burn up and go away is basically laughing at them. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. Are you positive that science will never be able to sense and/or measure a creator? Can you or anyone present a rigourous proof proof that? If you can't do it now, you're stuck. Any metaphysical concept (i.e., a concept that can not be measured/quantified) is outside of the domain of science. It's a belief and beliefs are fine as long as they are not part of a scientific hypothesis. No proof is necessary to prove you can't prove! Prima Facia lack of evidence! Maybe in the future, but certainly not now. If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. And thusly, much of string theory is and must always be non-science. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. And thusly, much of string theory is and must always be non-science. I don't know enough about string theory. But they must link the concepts back to quantifiable concepts, yes? That is, they wouldn't introduce a concept that was unmeasurable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meat. There was a short period about five years ago when I was having some issues in the dream plane. I almost NEVER have nightmares, and haven't for my entire life, so when badass demon types start showing up in my dreams and trying to kill me, and it's the same badasses every night, I pay attention. Some- thing is going on. As it happened, I described what was going on to a friend of mine who was studying with a Taoist herb master, and my friend passed along a mantra that had been given to him especially for dispelling evil forces or demons. My friend told me what the mantra was, and that night I went to sleep and the badasses showed up again, and I managed to get lucid in the dream and shout out the mantra at them. It was impressive, to say the least. They caught fire and burned up, leaving nothing but flakes of ash, like after you burn a pile of autumn leaves. I've never had those particular badasses or any other seemingly malevolent being appear in my dreams since. What makes this story relevant in a funny way is that the mantra was HA. Yup, HA, as in ha ha. It means something totally different in Chinese, of course, but I have been amused ever since that the thing that can make malevolent spirits burn up and go away is basically laughing at them. :-) Thats interesting. SRSS gives out a similar technique* for waking state -- where one yells such to get rid of problems or inner obstacles. When giving it, he said something like, but you will forget this technique, even though it is valuable. And true to form, I usually forget about it. Your post just reminded me. Hail ye, the dharmic messenger. * I said similar. I am not offering a teaching on-line. Best, if interested, to get the technique by taking the AoL basic course (Though I can't guarantee its (still) part of the course -- SSRS taught much of mine and some said he's not teaching the regular course.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. Are you positive that science will never be able to sense and/or measure a creator? Can you or anyone present a rigourous proof proof that? If you can't do it now, you're stuck. Any metaphysical concept (i.e., a concept that can not be measured/quantified) is outside of the domain of science. It's a belief and beliefs are fine as long as they are not part of a scientific hypothesis. No proof is necessary to prove you can't prove! Prima Facia lack of evidence! Maybe in the future, but certainly not now. I thought the only reality is NOW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. And thusly, much of string theory is and must always be non-science. I don't know enough about string theory. But they must link the concepts back to quantifiable concepts, yes? That is, they wouldn't introduce a concept that was unmeasurable. I can't explain the reasoning, but I have heard prominent physicists say the above -- that (parts of ) it can never be tested or verified. Maybe it is the 13 dimension thing. And he said thusly, string theory is not science. I am just suggesting that a hard and fast rule may be problematic. String Theory sure looks like science to me. But I am an acknowledged retard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
On 9/30/05 10:07 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats interesting. SRSS gives out a similar technique* for waking state -- where one yells such to get rid of problems or inner obstacles. When giving it, he said something like, but you will forget this technique, even though it is valuable. And true to form, I usually forget about it. Your post just reminded me. Does SSRS consider MMY as his guru--or does he have another teacher (or was SSRS one of MMY's teachers...)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a problem. I share your frustration with it being misunderstood sometimes. Many people are so bloody SERIOUS that they just can't get someone who isn't, and who is laughing much of the time. So you try to use emoticons to get the point across, and it has the opposite effect, and they get even more uptight. Go figure. No, Barry, it doesn't make anybody uptight, despite your fondest wishes. What it does is make *you* look phony. It's like a standup comic who laughs at his own jokes. The really funny comics are those who stay deadpan. If you can't get your humor across without smileys, it just wasn't very funny to begin with. I agree in concept. But in practice, sometimes statements can be read in different ways. Either as an insult, or as a funny barb. Some, I notice, rarely get the latter, unless it is BROADCAST clearly. hey joke coming up ... ok that was a joke. Sure. It's just that if you don't use the signals selectively, they lose their meaning. It's like putting an exclamation point after every sentence; it gives each sentence the same emphasis, so the exclams cancel each other out. (I find that I tend to use smileys more as a kind of punctuation than as signals of humor per se. I'm not quite sure what I mean by that, but I don't know how else to describe it...) One might argue it wasn't funny then. I disagree. Thats not always the case. I find, often, When the serious reader reads the barb / satire in a new light (oh its a joke), they do laugh. I have examples, I have names. (and thats a funny sentence -- but without voice nuance, many may read it as serious.) Without voice nuance, distinguishing between multiple possible interpreations is a problem. I almost always know when you're being funny, whether you use smileys or not. Some of this has to do with who's doing it. When someone who is routinely really nasty to others puts smileys after all their barbs, it's obvious they're not genuine. (And even if they were, that the person would think such nastiness was funny doesn't say much for their character.) It also depends very much on the wording of the barb, and the specific context. There's a just-over-the edge quality to humorous barbs that tends to be lacking in barbs that are meant seriously. When smileys are put after the latter, there's an obvious discordance; the tone just doesn't match. And when someone who is normally light-hearted, and usually delivers light-hearted barbs, suddenly comes up with one that's serious in tone, and surrounds it with smileys, it's even more discordant. If the barb had been meant humorously, they could easily have phrased it in their usual light-hearted manner. One thing mature readers can do, is, before going off on some pitta rampage, is think I am seeing this as an insult. I wonder if it can be seen in another light. Sort of like the foreground / background figures. Why some are predisposed to first see everything as insults, well thats another issue. It would probably take a good therapist to unravel it. A lot of it depends on the relationship between the person delivering the barb and the target. You and I have a fairly cordial relationship, so if you were to send a barb my way sans smiley, my first assumption would be that it was humorous. So far, at least, it would be unusual for you to say something really nasty to me. So there's a kind of benefit of the doubt involved. With certain others here, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to wonder whether they were being insulting or not. If they do deliver a barb that they don't mean to be taken seriously--which does happen occasionally--they know how to phrase it in a way that makes this clear, with or without smileys. Obviously these aren't hard-and-fast dividing lines; a lot of nuance is involved that can easily be missed. Sometimes smileys help, sometimes they don't. But the effect of *always* using smileys is the same as that of *never* using smileys, except that the former tends to make you look phony, whereas the latter can make you look nastier than you mean to be (which is the case with me sometimes, I'm afraid; I should probably use them more often, but I tend to avoid them because I have such a strong preference for deadpan). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diamond Way
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VAj: Raphael Patai's _The Hebrew Goddess_ is a real eye opener if this kind of thing is new to you. from amazon reviews snip This cult of the feminine goddess, though often repressed, remained a part of the faith of the Jewish people. Goddesses answered the need for mother, lover, queen, intercessor ... and even today, lingers cryptically in the traditional Hebrew Sabbath invocation. I dunno how cryptic it is, except in the sense of whether it has to do with Goddess per se. There's a very strong, explicit emphasis on a variety of feminine metaphors, not just the Queen of the Sabbath. But it's usually in the context of relationship, e.g., Bride and Bridegroom. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. Exactly. To my mind, the most dangerous aspect of the push to teach ID as an alternative theory to evolution is that it blurs the distinction between science and metaphysics generally. That blurring-- a lack of understanding of the requirements of scientific standards--can make all kinds of pseudoscience seem more scientifically valid (including a lot of what emanates from the TMO). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are obstacles to samadhi; they are powers in the worldly state. te samaadhaav upasargaa, vyutthaane siddhayaH. samaadhaav: sandhi for locative singular samaadhau siddhayaH : nominative plural of siddhi Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if one translated samaadhau to 'in samaadhi' instead of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood the Sanskrit approximately correctly). For instance in YS I 13 locative singular sthitau which is analogous to samaadhau, IMO roughly has the meaning 'in sthiti', despite the fact that translating it exactly like that (in staying) would sound a bit awkward in English. Moreover, in a concrete connection locative usually translates to 'in...', as nagare, 'in the city'. OTOH, it's true that locative should often be tranlated to 'into' (Coulson: end result of motion).An example from Coulson: *jale* baalaM kSipati (he throws the child into the water). But there is certainly not an explicit verb of motion in the suutra. YES Cardemaister; many thanks; this makes *perfect* sense! I have sometimes found that specific exercise of the siddhis has something of an expenditure or unchastity effect that is not particularly pleasing, or feels like a lack of integrity almost :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I can't speak for Rory, but I *NEVER* use smileys unless I am actually laughing or smiling big-time when I post what I post. If someone feels that this is not true, IMO they might need to lighten up a bit. Or they might be better at seeing through your pretentions than you think. I've often found that people who rarely laugh themselves find that those who laugh often are pretending to do so. Maybe, but you haven't found that *here*, because you have no way of knowing how much folks laugh in other venues. Here you see only a very narrow slice of an individual's personality. Also see my post to Akasha with regard to some of the things that can make smileys suspect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The real problem is when the lols and smiley faces don't seem to belong to what you're actually saying. Yes, I understand how you feel that this often makes me look insincere. That is when (IMO) they would often appear to be *especially* useful, as they are intended to lighten up what otherwise may sound far heavier and more solemn than is my intent. Actually they have exactly the opposite effect. They call attention to the heaviness because they're so discordant with it. There is no heaviness. There is only your perception of lightness as heavy. Not everyone sees things that way. That *sounds* like it means something, but in fact it does not; it's the same category mistake you make all the time. They make it seem as though the heaviness is *so* heavy that you feel you have to disguise it or put protective padding around it, whereas a bit of straightforward, up-front heaviness wouldn't tend to stand out the same way and would just be taken as a matter of course. Your call, of course, but to be honest you are not exactly someone I would count on as an expert in humor or lightness. I have seen so little of it coming from you over the years that I have my doubts about your ability to recognize it in others. There is no heaviness. There is only your perception of lightness as heavy. Not everyone sees things that way. Barry Wright, Master of Unintended Irony... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/30/05 10:07 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats interesting. SRSS gives out a similar technique* for waking state -- where one yells such to get rid of problems or inner obstacles. When giving it, he said something like, but you will forget this technique, even though it is valuable. And true to form, I usually forget about it. Your post just reminded me. Does SSRS consider MMY as his guru--or does he have another teacher (or was SSRS one of MMY's teachers...)? Its not so black and white as far as I can see. I have seen a picture of MMY and his feet on a table near SSRS. He was a pundit around MMY for some years. MMY took him to AnandaMaya Ma and she said he is the river that will wash the tears from millions. He came up with, recognized, his breathing and perhaps other techniques on his own. MMY was not so interested in the techniques, I heard, and SSRS went out on his own. (The story I heard is that a group of M pundit boys were told to go home. SSRS could not bear that and his father took them in, with SSRS. That was sort of the time / event that led to his departure from the TMO.) Some say SSRS AND MMY still talk. SSRS teaches a large bag of techniques and methods -- some traditional stuff, some new agey stuff, some surely of his own devising. For the most part they don't have a TMO imprint. SSRS was trained as a pundit independent of TMO, I think his father was a Pundit, and much of his stuff may have some from such traditions. Regardless, I have found the bag of tricks as a whole to be useful regardless of linneage. Partly due to him being a ball of light, in my eperience. And a bundle of laughter. He even started a Laughing Campaign where followers when to public parks and had laugh-ins -- laughing and inviting others to join. He is big on laughing (amonst other things, like seva) and is very funny to be around. Kind of a prankster at times. He even has an exercise where one stands in front of a group and is told to make a fool of your self. I have seen him go -- no, MORE foolish, you can do better than that!!! The method being part of his ego busting repetorie of tricks. Amongst a number of other repetoires. I have not been involved with his org for a while. They have spawned all sorts of new things I see from newsletters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's like a standup comic who laughs at his own jokes. The really funny comics are those who stay deadpan. If you can't get your humor across without smileys, it just wasn't very funny to begin with. Have you ever considered the possibility that you're just a humorless bitch? :-) You didn't even get that Lama Ole was being funny. You tried to turn it into a slam against Vaj. Vaj seems to take the single comment I asked him about pretty seriously. In any case, there's a difference between taking a humorous tone when discussing something one is very serious about, and just being funny. Ole was pretty obviously doing the former, not the latter. You seem to think that couching an insult in humorous terms, or putting a smiley after it, somehow automatically makes it not an insult, but of course that's not the case. Actually I don't believe you *do* think this. I think you use humorous tone and smileys when you're being insulting because you think it gives you plausible deniability. It doesn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The real problem is when the lols and smiley faces don't seem to belong to what you're actually saying. Yes, I understand how you feel that this often makes me look insincere. That is when (IMO) they would often appear to be *especially* useful, as they are intended to lighten up what otherwise may sound far heavier and more solemn than is my intent. Actually they have exactly the opposite effect. They call attention to the heaviness because they're so discordant with it. They make it seem as though the heaviness is *so* heavy that you feel you have to disguise it or put protective padding around it, whereas a bit of straightforward, up-front heaviness wouldn't tend to stand out the same way and would just be taken as a matter of course. I appreciate your feedback, Judy; I understand and acknowledge that you may well view me as discordant, stale, and/or phoney, and with all due respect I admit I can happily live with all that, and will continue to punctuate as I feel :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if one translated samaadhau to 'in samaadhi' instead of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood the Sanskrit approximately correctly). Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall that according to MMY, the function of practicing the TM-Sidhis is to challenge samadhi, as with the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following meditation challenges the samadhi that remains after meditation, which ultimately results in strengthening it and making it permanent. The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes out of the dye vat is weakened by the sun, but what remains is what has become permanent. The permanent part is added to incrementally with each dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't weakened by the sun each time. Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but the possible parallel struck me as interesting. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
On 9/30/05 9:57 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the best spiritual practices I ever received was called The Inner Smile. One of the people I learned it from had gone to China to study under some Taoist master who taught rare, very advanced practices which were still kept very secret. Of course he had some concern after traveling to this remote region that he might be rejected and he wouldn't get the teachings he sought. After meeting the teacher and requesting the teachings he desired the teacher said to him, simply do you know how to smile at yourself? The student, who had practiced the Inner Smile as part of his practice for a long time, immediately broke out into a smile realizing what the teacher was referring to. Oh yes he responded. He got the teaching he requested. Meat. There was a short period about five years ago when I was having some issues in the dream plane. I almost NEVER have nightmares, and haven't for my entire life, so when badass demon types start showing up in my dreams and trying to kill me, and it's the same badasses every night, I pay attention. Some- thing is going on. As it happened, I described what was going on to a friend of mine who was studying with a Taoist herb master, and my friend passed along a mantra that had been given to him especially for dispelling evil forces or demons. My friend told me what the mantra was, and that night I went to sleep and the badasses showed up again, and I managed to get lucid in the dream and shout out the mantra at them. It was impressive, to say the least. They caught fire and burned up, leaving nothing but flakes of ash, like after you burn a pile of autumn leaves. I've never had those particular badasses or any other seemingly malevolent being appear in my dreams since. What makes this story relevant in a funny way is that the mantra was HA. Yup, HA, as in ha ha. It means something totally different in Chinese, of course, but I have been amused ever since that the thing that can make malevolent spirits burn up and go away is basically laughing at them. :-) Hehehe. They hate silence too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip One seeker pokes fun at the other for being so serious, and the first reacts by becoming even more serious. Or one lighthearted seeker, who is having a *really* good day and perceives almost *everything* as funny that day, laughs his way through his posts and includes a bunch of smileys to try to clue others into his mood. Or this seeker is having a really *bad* day and can't restrain his negativity, but realizes the negativity would spoil the lighthearted image he's tried so hard to cultivate, so he frantically deluges his posts with smileys to try to fool others into thinking he's in a great mood. And when he finds some of his fellow seekers aren't falling for it, instead of being able to laugh at his own pretensions, he writes a long, defensive screed exalting his own purportedly high spiritual state and at the same time attempting to portray those who haven't been fooled as being in a lesser state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
Judy: It's just that if you don't use the signals selectively, they lose their meaning. It's like putting an exclamation point after every sentence; it gives each sentence the same emphasis, so the exclams cancel each other out. A: Yes, agreed. (I find that I tend to use smileys more as a kind of punctuation than as signals of humor per se. I'm not quite sure what I mean by that, but I don't know how else to describe it...) Akasha: One might argue it wasn't funny then. I disagree. Thats not always the case. I find, often, When the serious reader reads the barb satire in a new light (oh its a joke), they do laugh. I have examples, I have names. (and thats a funny sentence -- but without voice nuance, many may read it as serious.) Without voice nuance, distinguishing between multiple possible interpreations is a problem. J: I almost always know when you're being funny, whether you use smileys or not. A: But I think you read carefully and are open to multiple meanings Possibly enhanced by your worki in editing. I know that my self-edity helps my reading skills. J: Some of this has to do with who's doing it. When someone who is routinely really nasty to others puts smileys after all their barbs, it's obvious they're not genuine. (And even if they were, that the person would think such nastiness was funny doesn't say much for their character.) A: Yes. But such profiling or pre-judgement can also have its pitfalls. I know some readers have gotten it in their mind sets that I write nasty things. In the past maybe it was a bit more pointed, though not nasty IMO. Regardless, they have trouble shifting gears. It appears that lots of stuff is first, and perhaps only seen as being an insult -- when indeed it is meant as humor. (This has changed over the past months perhaps, people do slowly change their stereotyping. J: It also depends very much on the wording of the barb, and the specific context. There's a just-over-the edge quality to humorous barbs that tends to be lacking in barbs that are meant seriously. A: Yes. Skillful writing involves providing the proper tip offs and nuances in words, not relying on voice inflect. Or Emoticons -- which ultimately, IMO are a sigh of lazy writing. J: And when someone who is normally light-hearted, and usually delivers light-hearted barbs, suddenly comes up with one that's serious in tone, and surrounds it with smileys, it's even more discordant. If the barb had been meant humorously, they could easily have phrased it in their usual light-hearted manner. A: Agreed. A: One thing mature readers can do, is, before going off on some pitta rampage, is think I am seeing this as an insult. I wonder if it can be seen in another light. Sort of like the foreground / background figures. Why some are predisposed to first see everything as insults, well thats another issue. It would probably take a good therapist to unravel it. A lot of it depends on the relationship between the person delivering the barb and the target. You and I have a fairly cordial relationship, so if you were to send a barb my way sans smiley, my first assumption would be that it was humorous. So far, at least, it would be unusual for you to say something really nasty to me. A: Yes. History is a big factor. But as per my comments above, it can cast ones view of another in steel sometimes and the flexibility is lost. Thats why looking for multiple interpreations is always important. And giving the benefit of the doubt. Assume humor first. If the data does not fit that interpretative model, THEN go on to other interpreations. J; So there's a kind of benefit of the doubt involved. With certain others here, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to wonder whether they were being insulting or not. If they do deliver a barb that they don't mean to be taken seriously--which does happen occasionally--they know how to phrase it in a way that makes this clear, with or without smileys. Obviously these aren't hard-and-fast dividing lines; a lot of nuance is involved that can easily be missed. Sometimes smileys help, sometimes they done . A: Yes. But I have made a conscious effort in the last month to minimize them. Like if you don't get joke -- well then never mind J: But the effect of *always* using smileys is the same as that of *never* using smileys, except that the former tends to make you look phony, whereas the latter can make you look nastier than you mean to be (which is the case with me sometimes, I'm afraid; I should probably use them more often, but I tend to avoid them because I have such a strong preference for deadpan). A: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diamond Way
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monotheism liked to impose a kind of brand-name exclusivity on their worshippers--no other gods before me, etc. Jealous gods...just great... Work on your jealousy and then get back to me, ok god? Or maybe originally the monotheism idea was an expression of the experience of Unity and devolved into brand-name exclusivity and jealousy among divine peers because the folks hearing the idea were not having the experience of Unity that generated the initial idea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the reasons I think some spiritual seekers don't make more progress is that they don't laugh enough. Actually, that's one of my problems when I meditate in a group. Some five to ten minutes into TM, I often start laughing, almost literally my ass off. I feel like I'm disturbing the others, and try to stifle(?) my laughter. I guess it would be better to let it come out as it pleases, so to speak. I had a period of a couple of years when I would start to laugh every time I transcended. At that point I didn't have access to group program, so that wasn't a problem, but I do wonder what my neighbors in the next apartment must have thought. It was a great big Haw haw haw! kind of laugh, explosive, not a gentle little giggle. I have a very loud laugh anyway. I've had perfect strangers come up to me when I was laughing in public and tell me they loved hearing it. Then at one point my mother, who was into genealogy research, came across an old letter describing some of my ancestors on my father's side (he also had a big Haw haw haw! laugh) as sitting around a table outside and laughing so loud they could be heard at the next farm. So I guess it's genetic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Off, the main reason ID is not taken seriously by science is that it introduces a metaphysical concept (ie, a creator) that is not open to scientific inquiry. If you can not measure/quantify a central concept of a hypothesis, it's not science. Exactly. To my mind, the most dangerous aspect of the push to teach ID as an alternative theory to evolution is that it blurs the distinction between science and metaphysics generally. That blurring-- a lack of understanding of the requirements of scientific standards--can make all kinds of pseudoscience seem more scientifically valid (including a lot of what emanates from the TMO). Every semester in my classes (general psychology, human development, child development) I teach to community college students I go over this. I explain that science is a methodolgy of inquiry that requires all concepts of a hypothesis to be quantifiable. If you can't quantify it, it is not open to the scientific method. But I also stress that human experiencing is much larger than the domain defined by science. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have a very loud laugh anyway. I've had perfect strangers come up to me when I was laughing in public and tell me they loved hearing it. Then at one point my mother, who was into genealogy research, came across an old letter describing some of my ancestors on my father's side (he also had a big Haw haw haw! laugh) as sitting around a table outside and laughing so loud they could be heard at the next farm. So I guess it's genetic. *lol* Yes, in the flesh my laugh tends to be one-syllabled and extremely loud and explosive. It just seems that *HA!* would be even more typographically discordant and prone to misunderstanding than *lol* or :-). HA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
Rory: I appreciate your feedback, Judy; I understand and acknowledge that you may well view me as discordant, stale, and/or phoney, and with all due respect I admit I can happily live with all that, and will continue to punctuate as I feel :-) Ok Rory. *lol* Thanks for the headsup. :) We look forward to your posts. *LOL* I love them (haha) because they are so, well Smiley :) Its like why I wear a smiley button on my lapel :) :) :). So people well know I am always HAPPY. haha. Else how would they know when I see them? *LOL*. Well Life is Bliss. HAHA. Its really great reading your posts. *LOL* HAHA. :) Well, I gotta go. :) I gotta change my Its a Small World CD. :) Its the BEST! *LOL*. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip J: I almost always know when you're being funny, whether you use smileys or not. A: But I think you read carefully and are open to multiple meanings Possibly enhanced by your worki in editing. I know that my self- edity helps my reading skills. Yes, I'm sure being an editor makes a difference. Just for one thing--and this is common but not universal among editors--both reading and writing for me has a very strong auditory component; I hear the words in my inner ear. I think that increases sensitivity to nuance, especially with regard to tone; it's a sort of multimedia effect. snip J: It also depends very much on the wording of the barb, and the specific context. There's a just-over-the edge quality to humorous barbs that tends to be lacking in barbs that are meant seriously. A: Yes. Skillful writing involves providing the proper tip offs and nuances in words, not relying on voice inflect. Or Emoticons -- which ultimately, IMO are a sigh of lazy writing. Exactly. snip A: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Exactly. To my mind, the most dangerous aspect of the push to teach ID as an alternative theory to evolution is that it blurs the distinction between science and metaphysics generally. That blurring-- a lack of understanding of the requirements of scientific standards--can make all kinds of pseudoscience seem more scientifically valid (including a lot of what emanates from the TMO). Every semester in my classes (general psychology, human development, child development) I teach to community college students I go over this. I explain that science is a methodolgy of inquiry that requires all concepts of a hypothesis to be quantifiable. If you can't quantify it, it is not open to the scientific method. But I also stress that human experiencing is much larger than the domain defined by science. Good for you. And that last point is important to add. Have you ever read Ken Wilber on subjective science? There are huge areas of human experience that *could* be approached with a strict methodology of inquiry, just based on different types of procedures. He shows (in his book Eye to Eye) how the foundational elements of the scientific method are employed in, for instance, the way Zen practitioners are traditionally tested for their achievement of satori. But these areas remain largely unexplored with any kind of rigor because they're regarded as subjective and therefore not accessible to science. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: I appreciate your feedback, Judy; I understand and acknowledge that you may well view me as discordant, stale, and/or phoney, and with all due respect I admit I can happily live with all that, and will continue to punctuate as I feel :-) Ok Rory. *lol* Thanks for the headsup. :) We look forward to your posts. *LOL* I love them (haha) because they are so, well Smiley :) Its like why I wear a smiley button on my lapel :) :) :). So people well know I am always HAPPY. haha. Else how would they know when I see them? *LOL*. Well Life is Bliss. HAHA. Its really great reading your posts. *LOL* HAHA. :) Well, I gotta go. :) I gotta change my Its a Small World CD. :) Its the BEST! *LOL*. belly laugh really! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... But how else would Barry know that they love him? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Full Monty Hot Line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: I appreciate your feedback, Judy; I understand and acknowledge that you may well view me as discordant, stale, and/or phoney, and with all due respect I admit I can happily live with all that, and will continue to punctuate as I feel :-) Ok Rory. *lol* Thanks for the headsup. :) We look forward to your posts. *LOL* I love them (haha) because they are so, well Smiley :) Its like why I wear a smiley button on my lapel :) :) :). So people well know I am always HAPPY. haha. Else how would they know when I see them? *LOL*. Well Life is Bliss. HAHA. Its really great reading your posts. *LOL* HAHA. :) Well, I gotta go. :) I gotta change my Its a Small World CD. :) Its the BEST! *LOL*. *ROFL* You are a genuinely funny fellow, Akasha :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have a very loud laugh anyway. I've had perfect strangers come up to me when I was laughing in public and tell me they loved hearing it. Then at one point my mother, who was into genealogy research, came across an old letter describing some of my ancestors on my father's side (he also had a big Haw haw haw! laugh) as sitting around a table outside and laughing so loud they could be heard at the next farm. So I guess it's genetic. *lol* Yes, in the flesh my laugh tends to be one-syllabled and extremely loud and explosive. It just seems that *HA!* would be even more typographically discordant and prone to misunderstanding than *lol* or :-). HA Particularly as the joke or humor of the HA!!! or the *lol* or the :-) in the classical sense is generally entirely absent :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
Akasha: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Judy: Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diamond Way
On 9/30/05 11:31 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monotheism liked to impose a kind of brand-name exclusivity on their worshippers--no other gods before me, etc. Jealous gods...just great... Work on your jealousy and then get back to me, ok god? Or maybe originally the monotheism idea was an expression of the experience of Unity and devolved into brand-name exclusivity and jealousy among divine peers because the folks hearing the idea were not having the experience of Unity that generated the initial idea. Does the idea of Unity (consciousness) exist among monotheistic religions? Judaism? Islam? Be careful, you could be committing heresy. Both of these religions came from polytheistic roots. One God does not necessarily imply Unity--it often just means my daddy-in-the-sky is the best/he can beat up your daddy-in-the-sky; he's the only one, all others are infidels, not the elect, etc. In fact most monotheistic religions do maintain a duality: us here, him or her up there. This Zoroastrian dualism can even be passed onto other aspects of the culture, as in the two-party system; one wife, not many, etc. Monistic Theism on the other hand may have as it's basis unity if you look at some Hindu or Buddhist sects. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Judy: Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak- writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-) Boy, it's all about Rory, isn't it? I mean, he *is* the only person on the entire Internet to use smileys, after all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Judy: Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-) I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Lots of people use emoticons, including me -- too much IMO, and our comments are about usagage across all posters. However, if you gain some insight in these posts -- and feel that the shoe fits in some cases, feel free to grow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Judy: Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak- writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-) Boy, it's all about Rory, isn't it? I mean, he *is* the only person on the entire Internet to use smileys, after all. No, it's not all about Rory; it's all about ME. *HA!* :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Judy: Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak- writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-) Boy, it's all about Rory, isn't it? I mean, he *is* the only person on the entire Internet to use smileys, after all. No, it's not all about Rory; it's all about ME. *HA!* :-) yada yada Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diamond Way
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/30/05 11:31 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monotheism liked to impose a kind of brand-name exclusivity on their worshippers--no other gods before me, etc. Jealous gods...just great... Work on your jealousy and then get back to me, ok god? Or maybe originally the monotheism idea was an expression of the experience of Unity and devolved into brand-name exclusivity and jealousy among divine peers because the folks hearing the idea were not having the experience of Unity that generated the initial idea. Does the idea of Unity (consciousness) exist among monotheistic religions? Not any more, at least not among its exoteric branches. Judaism? Islam? Be careful, you could be committing heresy. Both of these religions came from polytheistic roots. One God does not necessarily imply Unity--it often just means my daddy-in-the- sky is the best/he can beat up your daddy-in-the-sky; he's the only one, all others are infidels, not the elect, etc. That's certainly what it developed into. I was speculating that there may have been other inputs from certain visionary members of the religions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yada yada Ja duh Ja duh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if
one translated samaadhau to 'in samaadhi' instead
of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or
Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they
don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood
the Sanskrit approximately correctly).
Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall
that according to MMY, the function of practicing
the TM-Sidhis is to challenge samadhi, as with
the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the
context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following
meditation challenges the samadhi that remains
after meditation, which ultimately results in
strengthening it and making it permanent.
The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes
out of the dye vat is weakened by the sun, but
what remains is what has become permanent. The
permanent part is added to incrementally with each
dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But
that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't weakened
by the sun each time.
Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but
the possible parallel struck me as interesting.
Bhoja's commentary on te samaadhaav upasargaa... seems to
have three whole sentences. The middlemost of them feels
to me like the syntactically easiest one. Goes like this:
tatra harSa-vismayaadi-karaNena samaadhiH
shithilii bhavati
I might translate that for instance like this:
Therefore (because of that [positive emotional?] effect
of the siddhis previously mentioned?)samaadhi becomes shithilii*
by causing harSa**, vismaya***, and stuff (aadi).
*)1 shithila mf(%{A})n. (collateral form of prec.) loose , slack ,
lax , relaxed , untied , flaccid , not rigid or compact TS. c. c. ;
soft , pliant , supple Pan5cat. ; unsteady , tremulous MBh. ;
languid , inert , unenergetic , weak , feeble MBh. Ka1v. c. ;
careless in (loc.) R. ; indistinct (as sound) L. ; not rigidly
observed W. ; loosely retained or possessed , abandoned , shaken off
ib. ; (%{am}) ind. loosely , not firmly Ragh. ; (%{I}) f. a kind of
tawny-coloured ant (said to be a variety of the white ant) L. ; (%
{am}) n. a loose fastening , looseness , laxity , slowness MW. ; a
partic. separation of the terms or members of a logical series ib.
**)1 harSa m. (ifc. f. %{A} ; fr. %{hRS}) bristling , erection (esp.
of the hair in a thrill of rapture or delight) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; joy ,
pleasure , happiness (also personified as a son of Dharma) Kat2hUp.
MBh. c. [1292,3] ; erection of the sexual organ , sexual
excitement , lustfulness Sus3r. ; ardent desire MBh. ; N. of an Asura
Katha1s. ; of a son of Kr2ishn2a BhP. ; of various authors c. (also
with %{dIkSita} , %{mizra} , %{sUri} c. ; cf. %{zrI-harSa}) ; mfn.
happy , delighted W.
***)2 vismaya 1 m. (for 2. see p. 953 , col. 1) wonder , surprise ,
amazement , bewilderment , perplexity (in rhet. one of the %{sthAyi-
bhAvas} q.v.) MBh. Ka1v. Das3ar. ; pride , arrogance Mn. BhP. ;
doubt , uncertainty W. ; %{-kara} , %{-kArin} , %{-M-kara} , %{-M-
gama} mfn. causing astonishment or admiration , astonishing ,
wonderful MBh. Ka1v. c. ; %{-vat} mfn. manifesting pride or
arrogance Hcat. ; %{-viSAda-vat} mfn. filled with astonishment and
perplexity Katha1s. ; %{-harSa-mUla} mfn. caused by astonishment and
Joy MW. ; %{-yA7kula} , %{-yA7nvita} or %{-yA7viSTa} mfn. filled with
astonishment or wonder MBh. ; %{-yo7tphulla-nayana} (or %{-locana})
mfn. having eyes wide open or staring with astonishment MW.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Judy: Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak- writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-) I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diamond Way
On 9/30/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's certainly what it developed into. I was speculating that there may have been other inputs from certain visionary members of the religions. There is a school of Kabbalah that practices unification (Heb.: Yichud). I'm sure there are similar schools in Sufism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.) That too, yes indeed. Judy: Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their i's with little hearts... *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak- writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-) I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Who is He? *lol* There is only one ME, and that's the one reading this. HA!! :-) Do I remember? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons and disco. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
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Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if
one translated samaadhau to 'in samaadhi' instead
of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or
Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but
they
don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood
the Sanskrit approximately correctly).
Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall
that according to MMY, the function of practicing
the TM-Sidhis is to challenge samadhi, as with
the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the
context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following
meditation challenges the samadhi that remains
after meditation, which ultimately results in
strengthening it and making it permanent.
The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes
out of the dye vat is weakened by the sun, but
what remains is what has become permanent. The
permanent part is added to incrementally with each
dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But
that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't weakened
by the sun each time.
Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but
the possible parallel struck me as interesting.
Bhoja's commentary on te samaadhaav upasargaa... seems to
have three whole sentences. The middlemost of them feels
to me like the syntactically easiest one. Goes like this:
tatra harSa-vismayaadi-karaNena samaadhiH
shithilii bhavati
I might translate that for instance like this:
Therefore (because of that [positive emotional?] effect
of the siddhis previously mentioned?)samaadhi becomes shithilii*
by causing harSa**, vismaya***, and stuff (aadi).
*)1 shithila mf(%{A})n. (collateral form of prec.) loose , slack ,
lax , relaxed , untied , flaccid , not rigid or compact TS. c.
c. ;
soft , pliant , supple Pan5cat. ; unsteady , tremulous MBh. ;
languid , inert , unenergetic , weak , feeble MBh. Ka1v. c. ;
careless in (loc.) R. ; indistinct (as sound) L. ; not rigidly
observed W. ; loosely retained or possessed , abandoned , shaken
off
ib. ; (%{am}) ind. loosely , not firmly Ragh. ; (%{I}) f. a kind of
tawny-coloured ant (said to be a variety of the white ant) L. ; (%
{am}) n. a loose fastening , looseness , laxity , slowness MW. ; a
partic. separation of the terms or members of a logical series ib.
OK, this is purely intuitive, but the word scattered
comes to mind--diffused, unfocused. Does that make any
sense to you?
**)1 harSa m. (ifc. f. %{A} ; fr. %{hRS}) bristling , erection
(esp.
of the hair in a thrill of rapture or delight) MBh. Ka1v. c. ;
joy ,
pleasure , happiness (also personified as a son of Dharma) Kat2hUp.
MBh. c. [1292,3] ; erection of the sexual organ , sexual
excitement , lustfulness Sus3r. ; ardent desire MBh. ; N. of an
Asura
Katha1s. ; of a son of Kr2ishn2a BhP. ; of various authors c.
(also
with %{dIkSita} , %{mizra} , %{sUri} c. ; cf. %{zrI-harSa}) ; mfn.
happy , delighted W.
***)2 vismaya 1 m. (for 2. see p. 953 , col. 1) wonder , surprise ,
amazement , bewilderment , perplexity (in rhet. one of the %{sthAyi-
bhAvas} q.v.) MBh. Ka1v. Das3ar. ; pride , arrogance Mn. BhP. ;
doubt , uncertainty W. ; %{-kara} , %{-kArin} , %{-M-kara} , %{-M-
gama} mfn. causing astonishment or admiration , astonishing ,
wonderful MBh. Ka1v. c. ; %{-vat} mfn. manifesting pride or
arrogance Hcat. ; %{-viSAda-vat} mfn. filled with astonishment and
perplexity Katha1s. ; %{-harSa-mUla} mfn. caused by astonishment
and
Joy MW. ; %{-yA7kula} , %{-yA7nvita} or %{-yA7viSTa} mfn. filled
with
astonishment or wonder MBh. ; %{-yo7tphulla-nayana} (or %{-locana})
mfn. having eyes wide open or staring with astonishment MW.
There's no way I can possibly explain this, but with
these definitions, samaadhi becomes shithilii by
causing harSa, vismaya works for me as a description
of what happens when I think a sutra.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons and disco. HAAA! And let's not forget Auschwitz and Hiroshima and Abu Ghraib and aluminum siding and Disneyland. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons and disco. What, you want us to commit mass suicide?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons and disco. What, you want us to commit mass suicide?? . HA! :-) * I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the way she agreed to my nude dancing gigs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons and disco. What, you want us to commit mass suicide?? . HA! :-) * I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the way she agreed to my nude dancing gigs. I hope that doesn't mean WE all have to dance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons and disco. What, you want us to commit mass suicide?? . HA! :-) * I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the way she agreed to my nude dancing gigs. I hope that doesn't mean WE all have to dance. Or watch. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always about YOU. Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big package of bliss. He is therefore the target of all criticism and the recipient of all praise. Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons and disco. What, you want us to commit mass suicide?? . HA! :-) * I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the way she agreed to my nude dancing gigs. I hope that doesn't mean WE all have to dance. HA! I'm afraid so. By the way, in case *anyone* reading these posts is in doubt, my wife wishes to make it crystal clear that I was joking; she does NOT agree to any nude dancing gigs. HA! Seriously. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meat. There was a short period about five years ago when I was having some issues in the dream plane. I almost NEVER have nightmares, and haven't for my entire life, so when badass demon types start showing up in my dreams and trying to kill me, and it's the same badasses every night, I pay attention. Some- thing is going on. As it happened, I described what was going on to a friend of mine who was studying with a Taoist herb master, and my friend passed along a mantra that had been given to him especially for dispelling evil forces or demons. My friend told me what the mantra was, and that night I went to sleep and the badasses showed up again, and I managed to get lucid in the dream and shout out the mantra at them. It was impressive, to say the least. They caught fire and burned up, leaving nothing but flakes of ash, like after you burn a pile of autumn leaves. I've never had those particular badasses or any other seemingly malevolent being appear in my dreams since. What makes this story relevant in a funny way is that the mantra was HA. Yup, HA, as in ha ha. It means something totally different in Chinese, of course, but I have been amused ever since that the thing that can make malevolent spirits burn up and go away is basically laughing at them. :-) Thats interesting. SRSS gives out a similar technique* for waking state -- where one yells such to get rid of problems or inner obstacles. When giving it, he said something like, but you will forget this technique, even though it is valuable. And true to form, I usually forget about it. Your post just reminded me. Hail ye, the dharmic messenger. :-) Happy to have been of service. Isn't it funny how that happens sometimes, though? That's not really a story I would normally have told here, because there was more to it and I usually *don't* tell it because I don't want to have to focus on the gnarly bits of it all. But for some reason the combination of talking about humor and Taoist techniques and the Inner Smile made me remember the story, and decide to tell it, just without the gnarly bits. So in a way, those who first started talking about humor and laughing and Taoism are really the dharmic messengers. Interdependent origination, and all that. * I said similar. I am not offering a teaching on-line. Best, if interested, to get the technique by taking the AoL basic course (Though I can't guarantee its (still) part of the course -- SSRS taught much of mine and some said he's not teaching the regular course.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This goes to the Shrodinger cat thought experiment. ie. Is the cat in the box dead or alive if no-one else sees it. It is therefore in a neither dead nor alive state This thought experiment is nonsense because it assumes only hhigher order animals (people) are observers, but all animals (and beyond ) are observers, including the flees in the cats skin, and even the parasites in its blood, it's very own cells as single celled organisms, and its very own DNA. Someone is always watching.everywhere. Even a planet is observing (experiencing) as is the sun. The fallacy of Shrodinger's cat is as yet not known to the scientific understanding on Earth Well, boy, you're right in line for a Nobel Prize, then, as soon as you make it known. Now you are simply being dumb. When you can't handle it you decide to throw sarcastic insults. I know you can do better than that . Hey, the reason the fallacy, as you describe it, isn't yet known to scientific understanding is because nobody's come up with any *evidence* for it. I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The talent for deception
Study: Adept Liars' Brains Are Built Differently By Robert Lee Hotz L.A. Times Staff Writer 10:47 AM PDT, September 30, 2005 In the lexicon of lying, there are white lies and bare-faced lies. Facts can be fudged, forged or shaded. There are fibbers, fabricators and feckless fabulists. By whatever clinical term, the truth simply is not in some people. Now scientists have an anatomical inkling why. A new study from the University of Southern California, published in the October issue of the British Journal of Psychiatry, suggests that the talent for compulsive deception is embedded in the structure of the brain itself. People who habitually lie and cheat - pathological liars - appear to have much more white matter, which speeds communication between neurons, in the prefrontal cortex than normal people, the researchers found. They also have fewer actual neurons. The differences affect a portion of the brain, located just behind the forehead, that enables people to feel remorse, learn moral behavior and plan complex strategies. The surplus of connections between neurons might enable these people to be more adept at the complex neural networking that underlies deceit. Lying is hard work and these brains may be better equipped to handle it, the researchers said. Lying is cognitively complex, said USC psychologist Adrian Raine, the senior scientist on the research project. It is not easy to lie. It is certainly more difficult than telling the truth. Some people have a biological advantage in lying. It gives them a slight edge. The researchers recruited 108 volunteers, then sorted them into groups based on psychological tests designed to determine how often they lied. The volunteers were then scanned using magnetic structural imaging to obtain detailed anatomical images of their brain tissue. The group of compulsive liars had 25.7% more white matter in the prefrontal cortex and 14.2% less gray matter than the normal control group. To our knowledge, it is the first imaging study on people who lie, cheat and deceive as a group, Raine said. http://tinyurl.com/8vxjk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This goes to the Shrodinger cat thought experiment. ie. Is the cat in the box dead or alive if no-one else sees it. It is therefore in a neither dead nor alive state This thought experiment is nonsense because it assumes only hhigher order animals (people) are observers, but all animals (and beyond ) are observers, including the flees in the cats skin, and even the parasites in its blood, it's very own cells as single celled organisms, and its very own DNA. Someone is always watching.everywhere. Even a planet is observing (experiencing) as is the sun. The fallacy of Shrodinger's cat is as yet not known to the scientific understanding on Earth Well, boy, you're right in line for a Nobel Prize, then, as soon as you make it known. Now you are simply being dumb. When you can't handle it you decide to throw sarcastic insults. I know you can do better than that . Hey, the reason the fallacy, as you describe it, isn't yet known to scientific understanding is because nobody's come up with any *evidence* for it. I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being.. You are really not thinking this through. You are simply reacting to your tribal urges. Good luck with that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This goes to the Shrodinger cat thought experiment. ie. Is the cat in the box dead or alive if no-one else sees it. It is therefore in a neither dead nor alive state This thought experiment is nonsense because it assumes only hhigher order animals (people) are observers, but all animals (and beyond ) are observers, including the flees in the cats skin, and even the parasites in its blood, it's very own cells as single celled organisms, and its very own DNA. Someone is always watching.everywhere. Even a planet is observing (experiencing) as is the sun. The fallacy of Shrodinger's cat is as yet not known to the scientific understanding on Earth Well, boy, you're right in line for a Nobel Prize, then, as soon as you make it known. Now you are simply being dumb. When you can't handle it you decide to throw sarcastic insults. I know you can do better than that . Hey, the reason the fallacy, as you describe it, isn't yet known to scientific understanding is because nobody's come up with any *evidence* for it. I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being.. You are really not thinking this through. You are simply reacting to your tribal urges. Good luck with that. Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The talent for deception
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Study: Adept Liars' Brains Are Built Differently Two more points on this, the first from another report on the same study: Pathological liars have less gray matter and more white matter in their prefrontal cortex, according to a report in the October issue of the British Journal of Psychiatry. Gray matter consists of the cells that do the thinking, while white matter consists of the cells that connect them. http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/528266.html And this insightful analysis from a commenter on Kevin Drum's Political Animal blog: What the study seems to be saying is that the people who are great liars have less grey matter to work with, which is the element that does the serious calculating work, so it's terrifically harder for them to work out the actual truth of something, but really easy to make up a great story about it, a story that outwardly fits tightly to the few most obvious facts which are all they can really determine. http://tinyurl.com/c9f82 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This goes to the Shrodinger cat thought experiment. ie. Is the cat in the box dead or alive if no-one else sees it. It is therefore in a neither dead nor alive state This thought experiment is nonsense because it assumes only hhigher order animals (people) are observers, but all animals (and beyond ) are observers, including the flees in the cats skin, and even the parasites in its blood, it's very own cells as single celled organisms, and its very own DNA. Someone is always watching.everywhere. Even a planet is observing (experiencing) as is the sun. The fallacy of Shrodinger's cat is as yet not known to the scientific understanding on Earth Well, boy, you're right in line for a Nobel Prize, then, as soon as you make it known. Now you are simply being dumb. When you can't handle it you decide to throw sarcastic insults. I know you can do better than that . Hey, the reason the fallacy, as you describe it, isn't yet known to scientific understanding is because nobody's come up with any *evidence* for it. I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being.. You are really not thinking this through. You are simply reacting to your tribal urges. Good luck with that. Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being.. You are really not thinking this through. You are simply reacting to your tribal urges. Good luck with that. Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? Where did I say it wasn't?? I said--see above--that I'd had the experience that it *was*, and that I would be thrilled to have scientific confirmation of that experience. How on *earth* do you turn that into my saying the sun is *not* a conscious being?? So far in this conversation, you've misunderstood virtually everything I've said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What Are Wrong Thoughts?
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. I am wondering if, more precisely, you are referring to where I have gone wrong in my analysis aka acts of the intellect. I am not being picky. Just your comments relate to something I was thinking on a walk I just returned from. Can anyone of us go wrong in their thinking? Does anyone here actually create their own thoughts? One of the great Stealth Truths of the checking procedure is it allows us to groke that we don't control thoughts. There is no conscious volition to it. They happen. Thus, how can any thought be wrong? Thoughts have factors that influence them. Memories. Desires. Incentives and rewards. Curiosity. But when you go on the backwards regress, I am not sure its infinite, all of these things seem to be the result of past thoughts -- or outside things -- both for which we have no control. And actions are based on thought. If our thoughts happen without us, no doer -- at least not us, then can the same be said of action? A thought comes to act. Another thought says it seems like a good idea and so on .. and soon out the door we go. Who is doing what? Well it must be the intellect. Thats whats in control. We may not have any control over the river of thoughts, but the dam of the intellect can regulate the flow. Reject some, divert some over here, let others flow freely. But do you consciously control your intellect? Any more than you control your CPU? Thoughts go into it, thoughts come out of it -- modified. Where is the control. Thoughts happen. Analysis happens. Sometimes we get gready and try to claim authorship. Plagerism. The most frequent crime for all humanity. These are not new thoughts. They have arisen before. But they cam up again tonight. One ramification. Who is a bad person? A person who has bad thoughts? A person who acts badly? If there is no control over thoughts, or analysis, who is the bad doer? Well perhaps past circumstances caused limitations etc that caused bad thoughts. Hate the sin not the sinner sort of an idea. But past bad circumstances, is that a sin? What is is. What has been done has been done. It would seem best to focus on fixing what we can in the present. Or at least thats the thought that comes. And the intellect nods. If your intellect nods too, maybe we are onto something. Or something within us is on to something. We are just along for the ride. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? What! Because it doesn't have characteristics we usually associate with consciousness, for starters. Off, with all due respect, your thinking is kinda loose at the edges! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being.. You are really not thinking this through. You are simply reacting to your tribal urges. Good luck with that. Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? Where did I say it wasn't?? I said--see above--that I'd had the experience that it *was*, and that I would be thrilled to have scientific confirmation of that experience. How on *earth* do you turn that into my saying the sun is *not* a conscious being?? Well, you said that it is not so because it has not been confirmed by your scientists. (even though you know better). In addition, logic will prove that the sun is as conscious as anything else. In addition, I showed you Shrodingers cat fallacy and yet you are unable to see it and merely use sarcasm to avoid it. So far in this conversation, you've misunderstood virtually everything I've said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? What! Because it doesn't have characteristics we usually associate with consciousness, for starters. Off, with all due respect, your thinking is kinda loose at the edges! Deal with the other posts I replied to you Peter. This post had an intended effect about which you are not aware and should not concern yourself. Not all things that are said are to be understood. They are intended to create an effect. ...which this one successfully did, just as I thought it would. Sound pretentious?.YEA BABY ! !but the method works. Now go back and answer my responses to your earlier posts and don't get yourself so excited. It is not good for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Are Wrong Thoughts?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. I am wondering if, more precisely, you are referring to where I have gone wrong in my analysis aka acts of the intellect. I am not being picky. Just your comments relate to something I was thinking on a walk I just returned from. Can anyone of us go wrong in their thinking? Does anyone here actually create their own thoughts? . All thoughts are just variations and expressions of one thought: Love. What could be wrong with that. Even hate is born of love. When love is lost, fear and hate can be gestated, but can never truely usurp the ultimate thoughtLove/bliss. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Are Wrong Thoughts?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. I am wondering if, more precisely, you are referring to where I have gone wrong in my analysis aka acts of the intellect. I am not being picky. Just your comments relate to something I was thinking on a walk I just returned from. Can anyone of us go wrong in their thinking? Does anyone here actually create their own thoughts? . All thoughts are just variations and expressions of one thought: Love. What could be wrong with that. Even hate is born of love. When love is lost, fear and hate can be gestated, but can never truely usurp the ultimate thoughtLove/bliss. OffWorld Oh, and by the way, copyright is to OffWorldBeings :-) Analysis happens. Sometimes we get gready and try to claim authorship. Plagerism. The most frequent crime for all humanity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? Where did I say it wasn't?? I said--see above--that I'd had the experience that it *was*, and that I would be thrilled to have scientific confirmation of that experience. How on *earth* do you turn that into my saying the sun is *not* a conscious being?? Well, you said that it is not so because it has not been confirmed by your scientists. (even though you know better). I said NO SUCH THING. Get a *grip*, man! In addition, logic will prove that the sun is as conscious as anything else. In addition, I showed you Shrodingers cat fallacy and yet you are unable to see it and merely use sarcasm to avoid it. Look, obviously you're just going to continue to make stuff up no matter what I say, so I'm bowing out. Have a nice conversation with yourself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'd go even further than the map is not the territory and suggest that any verbal teaching whatsoever, no matter how enlightened the teacher, is delivered and received on the level of the mistake of the intellect.) I would go so far as to suggest that anyone who thought my teaching was (primarily) verbal would certainly be operating on the level of the mistake of the intellect. My teaching is bodily if anything :-) Not on this forum, it isn't. Yes, on this forum it is. But did you think I was targeting you specifically when I said that? You mean specifically the Rory-persona? No, of course not. I mean ME. The same ME that is in everyone, and vice versa. twinkle How odd; it was in response to something Jim had said about MMY. (Relatively speaking, of course.) Ah yes. Some other personas of ME. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'd go even further than the map is not the territory and suggest that any verbal teaching whatsoever, no matter how enlightened the teacher, is delivered and received on the level of the mistake of the intellect.) I would go so far as to suggest that anyone who thought my teaching was (primarily) verbal would certainly be operating on the level of the mistake of the intellect. My teaching is bodily if anything :-) And thus the admonition about Full Montes on your profile picture. You are admonishing me against revealing my pure essence? Why is that? You have been enjoying the View for some time now :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being. Nice. What sort of Personality did it show you? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Are Wrong Thoughts?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped for brevity alone What is is. What has been done has been done. It would seem best to focus on fixing what we can in the present. Or at least thats the thought that comes. And the intellect nods. If your intellect nods too, maybe we are onto something. Or something within us is on to something. We are just along for the ride. Sweet. A lot of easy-flowing Love here :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Are Wrong Thoughts?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, you won't be able to show me where I've gone so wrong in my thinking. I am wondering if, more precisely, you are referring to where I have gone wrong in my analysis aka acts of the intellect. I am not being picky. Just your comments relate to something I was thinking on a walk I just returned from. Can anyone of us go wrong in their thinking? Does anyone here actually create their own thoughts? . All thoughts are just variations and expressions of one thought: Love. What could be wrong with that. Even hate is born of love. When love is lost, fear and hate can be gestated, but can never truely usurp the ultimate thoughtLove/bliss. Nice! I would suggest too that Love = Vishnu/Sattva, the cohesive energy; Light = Brahma/Rajas, the rotary energy; and Laughter (Bliss) = Shiva/Tamas, the dispersive energy: the three nodes of the ever-flowing torus: the two poles (love and bliss) and the central swirling Sun ... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory experience once of becoming aware of the sun as a conscious being. Nice. What sort of Personality did it show you? I didn't get any sense of a *personal* consciousness, i.e., like that of a person. Action for the sun is basically nuclear processes on a gigantic scale and the consequent release of huge amounts of energy; that's what the sun does, ceaselessly, and whatever sentience it has is fully occupied keeping that massive furnace going. So it isn't a very *interesting* type of consciousness, with human-type quirks and idiosyncrasies, just overwhelmingly awesome to sense that all that incredibly fierce power is animate. And if the sun is conscious, it means the rest of the stars--some of which make the sun look like a kid's night light by comparison--and black holes and quasars and God knows what other monstrously powerful entities inhabit the universe are conscious beings as well. And then you start to wonder what *galaxies* are... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn't get any sense of a *personal* consciousness, i.e., like that of a person. Action for the sun is basically nuclear processes on a gigantic scale and the consequent release of huge amounts of energy; that's what the sun does, ceaselessly, and whatever sentience it has is fully occupied keeping that massive furnace going. Here's a photo of a small portion of the sun's surface, doing what it does: http://solarviews.com/browse/sun/trace10.jpg Here's another, with an image of the earth superimposed to give a sense of scale: http://solarviews.com/browse/sun/trace8.jpg The captions for these photos: Fountains of multimillion-degree, electrified gas in the atmosphere of the Sun have revealed the location where the solar atmosphere is heated to temperatures 300 times greater than the Sun's visible surface. *Multimillion-degree*. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
