[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
But it is very reassuring to be told that resting for some minutes twice a day helps prevent most illnesses, war and natural disasters AND it makes it easier to gloss over bad news in the belief that one is already doing one's bit for the world. Surely there must be some truth in this dictum, even if it has at times been exaggerated. The TM organization panders to elitism. It tells its members that they're so important that when they meditate they clear stress from the atmosphere and that when they bounce on their butts they create world peace. It tells them that their belief systems are better than anyone else's in the world. And to put the cherry on top of the self-importance cake, it tells people that they are SO important that the CIA and other evil forces are trying to persecute the founder of this So Very Special And Important Tradition, and thus are indirectly trying to persecute *them*, the really important ones, the ones who make it all happen with their cash. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:45 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: Though, to be honest, I am not sure why neither of you thinks its wise to be (or even pretend to be) the better person and say "ok, it get the point you were making" and then bite your tongue -- not dwell on phrasing -- which seems to be more of an ego war. I don't know why either. I guess I just get a bit tired, now and then, of all the rationalizing of behavior totally devoid of any conscience or logic that goes with respect to MMY. I gather you find it simply insufferable that MMY would act according to his beliefs. Wake up Judy. The TM$P was a money making scheme. What better extension of that idea than to tell the "All You Need is Love" generation that if they attended these expensive "coherence creating" assemblies they could create world peace. Now it's herbal enemas and Vedic boxes. Higher prophet margin I guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:49 AM, authfriend wrote:Yes, Vaj has a great deal of trouble figuring out what I believe from my posts, just as Sal does. That's because they both *expect* me to believe certain things and find it extraordinarily confusing and disturbing when my posts don't confirm their expectations. Cognitive dissonance, big-time. More likely a Vedic Flip-Flopper Hopper. Extra points if you voted for Kerry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Best wishes to the birthday boy
Roughly two thousand years ago, a gentle man woke up to the equally gentle realization of who and what he really was -- infinity dancing in the finite. When he woke up, he realized that this new perception of being awake was not new; it had always already been present. He had just ignored it up to then because he'd been asleep. Upon realizing that that infinity had always already been present for him, he realized that it had *also* always already been present for all the sleepers around him. So, being a compassionate kinda guy, he decided to try to help them wake them up so that they could share in the joy of being awake for a change. Alas, he found that they were too primitive and too stupid and too self-involved and too attached to staying asleep to ever care about waking up. These people were *so* primitive that the only thing that impressed them and got them to pay any attention whatsoever to the gentle man was miracles. Imagine that...they were *that* stupid. Now the gentle man believed (rightly) that the so-called miracles people were asking him to perform were kind of a cheap shot, a waste of energy, hardly worthy of his time, but since it was the only thing that the sleepers seemed to care about, he indulged them. He still had hopes that if he got their attention with the miracles, they'd stick around to learn the important stuff, about awakening. The gentle man was naive. The ignorant of his time chose to remain ignorant, and focus on the cheap flash rather than the important stuff he was trying to teach them. They chose to remain asleep and follow him like sleepwalking sheep, and in the end wound up killing the gentle man to make him safer and easier to follow. Now, 2000 years later, the religions that the followers founded in the gentle man's name once they'd gotten him safely out of the way rarely even pretend to really believe in the miracles any more, much less the awakening stuff. So it goes. The awakened always hope to help others to wake themselves up, and the others always couldn't possibly care less. All they care about is self impor- tance and flash and stuff like that and finding someone to follow. That is their nature. But the awakened keep trying anyway, because that is *their* nature. Here's to you, JC, on the eve of your birthday, for caring enough to give it a try. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Adult category seems to have been removed
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/23/05 3:58 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this true? Yes. We're back in the spiritual category. One of our members found the right people to talk to at Yahoo. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. lurk And apparently he's naked...with a whip! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. There is ZERO evidence -- and never has been -- that the TMO or MMY is or ever was the target of the CIA. Of course, claiming that one is the target of the CIA is always a convenient scapegoat for one's own failings. But I can't help getting a bitter taste in my mouth whenever an individual or organisation is accused of illegal shenanigans -- as the CIA has with the TMO -- without evidence or proof. I find such declarations reprehensible. MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled by the whole thing and would politely listen and not say anything. It was the beginning of MMY blaming any TMO failure on an outside agency. Was it pure fantasy or was there a least something to trigger the initial accusations? Who knows. because he was targeted by that peanut-farming moron, Jimmy Carter. Rick Archer has posted here before about MMY's meeting with Carter in the Georgia governor's office not long before Carter became President (a hilarious scene -- Carter praying on his knees when MMY walked into the office). Carter felt that MMY was a threat to Christianity and determined to meet the enemy and find a way to derail him -- fortunately, like most of Carter's muddled thinking, the CIA's efforts fizzled out. - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
On Dec 24, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Peter wrote:MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled by the whole thing and would politely listen and not say anything. It was the beginning of MMY blaming any TMO failure on an outside agency. Was it pure fantasy or was there a least something to trigger the initial accusations? Who knows. Wasn't the rumor started on the Beatle's Rishikesh course? There was someone on that course who was rumored to be a CIA agent--sorry forget his name. But the CIA did keep a file John Lennon, which I believe is now largely public. Really what easier way to observe Lennon than on a course? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
On Dec 24, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Vaj wrote: Wasn't the rumor started on the Beatle's Rishikesh course? There was someone on that course who was rumored to be a CIA agent--sorry forget his name. But the CIA did keep a file John Lennon, which I believe is now largely public. Really what easier way to observe Lennon than on a course? http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/lennon.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIDWEST BRIEFS Deal completed for Blackstone Tribune staff, wire reports Published December 23, 2005 $112 million. A joint venture that includes Denver-based Sage Hospitality Resources LLC has closed on the acquisition of the shuttered Blackstone Hotel. A non-profit group headed by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi owned the 22-story building. Oh, a *non-profit group* headed by Maharishi. It will be most interesting to follow the money and see what they do with it this time. Past performance is no indication of future returns? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug A joint venture that includes Denver-based Sage Hospitality Resources LLC has closed on the acquisition of the shuttered Blackstone Hotel at 636 S. Michigan Ave., and plans to reopen the property in less than two years. A non-profit group headed by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi owned the 22-story building. After an unsuccessful attempt to convert it into condominiums, the group hired Oakbrook Terrace- based real estate firm NAI Hiffman to market the property. Sage's joint-venture partner in the $112 million project is JPMorgan Fleming Asset Management, said Kenneth Geist, a partner in Sage. The 327-room property will be part of the Marriott Renaissance chain but will retain its historic name. Copyright © 2005, Chicago Tribune __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're evading the point and also attributing to me an argument I never put forward. Shame on you, feste37! You've been on here long enough to know that responding to one's own inferences and claiming it as a statement by another poster is par for the course now on FFL. And while you're at it, stop making fun of my wife, you bastard! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not the case--but I honestly don't think you'll convince many people at all that if you give money to Mahesh or practice his McMeditation you're going to stop tsunamis. On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:19 PM, feste37 wrote: Generosity is the giving of your time and talents to help improve the lives of others. I would say MMY passes that test to all but the most cynical observers. It seems that you see no value at all in what he has done. I would call you a TN (true nonbeliever), which is a bit like being a TB in the sense that you have to ignore huge swaths of evidence in order to maintain your point of view, come hell or high water. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. There is ZERO evidence -- and never has been -- that the TMO or MMY is or ever was the target of the CIA. Of course, claiming that one is the target of the CIA is always a convenient scapegoat for one's own failings. But I can't help getting a bitter taste in my mouth whenever an individual or organisation is accused of illegal shenanigans -- as the CIA has with the TMO -- without evidence or proof. I find such declarations reprehensible. You mean, like the accusation that Habitat for Humanity is a scam? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. There is ZERO evidence -- and never has been -- that the TMO or MMY is or ever was the target of the CIA. Of course, claiming that one is the target of the CIA is always a convenient scapegoat for one's own failings. But I can't help getting a bitter taste in my mouth whenever an individual or organisation is accused of illegal shenanigans -- as the CIA has with the TMO -- without evidence or proof. I find such declarations reprehensible. You mean, like the accusation that Habitat for Humanity is a scam? Was that thread serious? I thought it was a joke! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:45 AM, authfriend wrote: snip I gather you find it simply insufferable that MMY would act according to his beliefs. Wake up Judy. The TM$P was a money making scheme. What better extension of that idea than to tell the All You Need is Love generation that if they attended these expensive coherence creating assemblies they could create world peace. Uh-huh, except that world peace was MMY's declared goal in teaching TM long before the TM-Siddhis were even a gleam in his eye--pre-TMO, in fact, back when he first began teaching in India. It seems to me that an Occam's razor approach suggests pretty strongly that MMY, while he may be deluded, believes in his own teaching. You have to just about stand on your head to explain it all away as nothing more than a scheme to acquire money and power from the very beginning. Now it's herbal enemas and Vedic boxes. Higher prophet margin I guess. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best wishes to the birthday boy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roughly two thousand years ago, a gentle man woke up to the equally gentle realization of who and what he really was -- infinity dancing in the finite. When he woke up, he realized that this new perception of being awake was not new; it had always already been present. He had just ignored it up to then because he'd been asleep. Upon realizing that that infinity had always already been present for him, he realized that it had *also* always already been present for all the sleepers around him. So, being a compassionate kinda guy, he decided to try to help them wake them up so that they could share in the joy of being awake for a change. Alas, he found that they were too primitive and too stupid and too self-involved and too attached to staying asleep to ever care about waking up. These people were *so* primitive that the only thing that impressed them and got them to pay any attention whatsoever to the gentle man was miracles. Imagine that...they were *that* stupid. Now the gentle man believed (rightly) that the so-called miracles people were asking him to perform were kind of a cheap shot, a waste of energy, hardly worthy of his time, but since it was the only thing that the sleepers seemed to care about, he indulged them. He still had hopes that if he got their attention with the miracles, they'd stick around to learn the important stuff, about awakening. The gentle man was naive. The ignorant of his time chose to remain ignorant, and focus on the cheap flash rather than the important stuff he was trying to teach them. They chose to remain asleep and follow him like sleepwalking sheep, and in the end wound up killing the gentle man to make him safer and easier to follow. Well, actually it wasn't his followers who killed him. Now, 2000 years later, the religions that the followers founded in the gentle man's name once they'd gotten him safely out of the way rarely even pretend to really believe in the miracles any more, much less the awakening stuff. Actually the Christian fundamentalists, one of the (if not *the*) fastest-growing religious groups in the world, are also the very firmest believers in his miracles. So it goes. The awakened always hope to help others to wake themselves up, and the others always couldn't possibly care less. All they care about is self impor- tance and flash and stuff like that and finding someone to follow. That is their nature. But the awakened keep trying anyway, because that is *their* nature. Here's to you, JC, on the eve of your birthday, for caring enough to give it a try. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
On Dec 23, 2005, at 6:01 PM, feste37 wrote:You're evading the point and also attributing to me an argument I never put forward. No, merely pointing out the absurdity of M's "generosity".It's an open question as far as I'm concerned whether he has helped the lives of the others close to him more than harming lives. It seems to me the ones farther away (or who have left) from him are doing better.I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside the TMO mentioning the word "generosity" or "compassion" in regards to M.My guess would be most if not all positive media feedback regarding him and his movement are due to the significant and non-ending efforts of his own PR machine. The bizarre thing is, even the entry level meditators are conditioned to be PR generators (able to cite questionable science to support claims, etc) from the very first lecture on. And once your on the mailing list... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not the case--but I honestly don't think you'll convince many people at all that if you give money to Mahesh or practice his McMeditation you're going to stop tsunamis. On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:19 PM, feste37 wrote: Generosity is the giving of your time and talents to help improve the lives of others. I would say MMY passes that test to all but the most cynical observers. It seems that you see no value at all in what he has done. I would call you a TN (true nonbeliever), which is a bit like being a TB in the sense that you have to ignore huge swaths of evidence in order to maintain your point of view, come hell or high water. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Correction- sale price was 22.3 Million
Blackstone Is in Line for $112M Overhaul By Mark Ruda Last updated: June 15, 2005 08:21am CHICAGO-Sage Hospitality Resources, LLC is buying the historic Blackstone Hotel, converting it to a Marriott Renaissance franchise in a $112-million renovation. In addition to upgrading the 327 rooms, the Crystal Ballroom and adding 12,000 sf of meeting space, Denver-based Sage Hospitality Resources will spend about $20 million alone on restoring the 97-year-old hotels terra cotta facade. The citys community development commission has endorsed up to $18 million in tax increment financing, about 16% of the projects cost, which could be reduced if Sage Hospitality Resources succeeds in getting more than $14 million from the sale of new market tax credits. The TIF assistance will be reduced dollar for dollar if new market tax credit proceeds exceed $14 million. Sage Hospitality Resources executive vice president Kenneth J. Geist says his company has been attempting to acquire the hotel at 636 S. Michigan Ave. for five years. The property has been vacant since 1999 as plans by Tennessee-based Maharishi Global Development Fund to convert the building into about 100 luxury condominiums have fizzled. Although Maharishi Global Development Fund has sought a much higher price, according to the citys department of planning and development, Sage Hospitality Resources has struck a deal to buy the 321,516-sf asset overlooking Grant Park for $22.3 million. Still, city appraisals place the value of the hotel at $16 million to $19 million. When complete, the appraised value of the Blackstone Hotel--the name will be retained under the Marriott Renaissance flag--is likely to be less than the total cost of Sage Hospitality Resources project, department of planning and development officials say. The building, which has hosted several US presidents, is in a severe state of disrepair, they add. McHugh Construction and architect Lucien LaGrange have been hired for the work. Geist says his company will hand over a deposit for the purchase of the hotel, with a closing to follow city council approval. JP Morgan Fleming Asset Management is expected to provide financing, he adds. Work could start later this year, with an opening in the middle of 2007, he says. The city assistance for the redevelopment is opposed by Unite Here Local 1, which represents 14,000 Chicago hotel workers. The union notes the total cost is $345,000 per room, which overshadows the expected sales price of Hilton Corp.s Palmer House as well as the Fairmonts sale earlier this year. The union marked its second anniversary Tuesday of its strike against the Congress Hotel, located one block north. The unions Pittsburgh local and Sage have wrangled in that city. Sage must take steps to ensure the citys investment in this project is not put at risk of another bitter, embarrassing labor dispute, says Local 1 research director Lars Negstad. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. Really ? What about the armed american that was stopped on the bridge on his way to Kulm and handed over to the swiss police ? What about the DC-3 that Maharishi had and was blown up on an airport in Germany ? If you are serious, which I doubt, you should be able to dig up the details of these stories. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test ?the true disciple test?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://energygrid.com/spirit/ap-falsegurutest.html Depending upon your perspective, whether you spent time with Mahesh, whether or not you had money and he thought he could get his hands on it or whether you might have only observed him via the media, this test might or might not apply. I spent time with him, had no money, watched him with those who had money, saw him behind the scenes, etc. Some days he scored really high on this list (as totally false, other days as totally genuine), other days, he seemed to have little in common with it. There's no central authority to go to regarding who's genuine and who isn't. It's a decision you make and then attribute to the guru. It depends on what you're getting (or not), doesn't it. If you turn the list around and ask yourself if you're a false student by these criteria, it's a little more revealing. Mahesh had little to offer in terms of technique or teaching. He declared himself a failure just prior to meeting the Beatles who gave him, quite apparently, a renewed sense of just how far he could push the envelope which, shortly after they saw through his limitations, he began to pursue with freakish abandon. If he's giving you what you want, perhaps examining what you want will tell you whether or not this particular guru is false or true. But seeing that the fruit (TMO, MUM, Guru Bev, silly research) falls not far from the tree, one could wonder, as this one does, just why you'd want to associate with this particular guru? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Adult category seems to have been removed
on 12/24/05 1:04 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/23/05 3:58 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this true? Yes. We're back in the spiritual category. One of our members found the right people to talk to at Yahoo. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. And there's a Grinch too, but Santa Claus appears to have won. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
on 12/24/05 8:12 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled by the whole thing and would politely listen and not say anything. It was the beginning of MMY blaming any TMO failure on an outside agency. Was it pure fantasy or was there a least something to trigger the initial accusations? Who knows. I heard him do the CIA thing many times. He would be speaking to a group, such as the Vedic Science course in New Delhi, and then begin to address the CIA spies in the group, saying basically, You know who you are and I'm hip to you. He would often become quite enraged at these times. One time at the Minister Training Course in Thailand, he was on one of these rants and my friend Roy Bachmeyer was taking notes, as we often did on courses. Maharishi accused him of being a spy and began going on about his reporting back to his superiors. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIDWEST BRIEFS Deal completed for Blackstone Tribune staff, wire reports Published December 23, 2005 $112 million. A joint venture that includes Denver-based Sage Hospitality Resources LLC has closed on the acquisition of the shuttered Blackstone Hotel. A non- profit group headed by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi owned the 22-story building. Oh, a *non-profit group* headed by Maharishi. It will be most interesting to follow the money and see what they do with it this time. Past performance is no indication of future returns? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug No, may be they have enough money now they could give back that money they mis-appropriated from the Kaplans. Or, is the thinking that the Kaplans probably deserved to have their money taken and that was okay... *Actions speak louder than words* is the old saying. Who says MMY is a megalomaniac? -D A joint venture that includes Denver-based Sage Hospitality Resources LLC has closed on the acquisition of the shuttered Blackstone Hotel at 636 S. Michigan Ave., and plans to reopen the property in less than two years. A non- profit group headed by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi owned the 22-story building. After an unsuccessful attempt to convert it into condominiums, the group hired Oakbrook Terrace- based real estate firm NAI Hiffman to market the property. Sage's joint-venture partner in the $112 million project is JPMorgan Fleming Asset Management, said Kenneth Geist, a partner in Sage. The 327-room property will be part of the Marriott Renaissance chain but will retain its historic name. Copyright © 2005, Chicago Tribune Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:45 AM, authfriend wrote: snip I gather you find it simply insufferable that MMY would act according to his beliefs. Wake up Judy. The TM$P was a money making scheme. What better extension of that idea than to tell the All You Need is Love generation that if they attended these expensive coherence creating assemblies they could create world peace. Uh-huh, except that world peace was MMY's declared goal in teaching TM long before the TM-Siddhis were even a gleam in his eye--pre-TMO, in fact, back when he first began teaching in India. It seems to me that an Occam's razor approach suggests pretty strongly that MMY, while he may be deluded, believes in his own teaching. This is NOT an invitation to argue. I'm just stepping in to state an alternative point of view; if you feel the need to argue with someone, it'll have to be some- one else. Now, that caveat out of the way: It seems to me that another explanation, one that to me seems closer to the facts as I perceive them, is that Maharishi is just a tired old man who is stuck in a rut and couldn't change if he wanted to. As you say, he started by talking about world peace, and IMO may have actually believed that the tech- niques he invented could help to achieve it. *At the time.* My perception is that he stopped believing that decades ago, but just can't stop saying the same olde shit. For one thing, he's gotten the blurb down so pat he could do it in his sleep; actually doing something new would be more of an effort. For another thing, people keep giving him money as long as he keeps telling them the lies they want to hear about world peace and their part in creating it. But do I believe that *he* actually believes that either TM or the TM-siddhis or the never-appearing pundits would have a ghost of a chance of having the slightest effect on world peace? Not for a minute. If he *did* really believe the stuff he says, he has had innumerable opportunities in the past few years to put those beliefs to the test. He has allowed every such opportunity to pass, in my opinion because he *never* wants these theories put to the test during his lifetime. Because he no longer believes they are true, and because he doesn't have the strength of character to admit that to the people he's misled for all these years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled by the whole thing and would politely listen and not say anything. It was the beginning of MMY blaming any TMO failure on an outside agency. Was it pure fantasy or was there a least something to trigger the initial accusations? Who knows. I don't think it's all that unlikely that the CIA *did* have an interest in the TMO at one point, given the CIA's documented fascination with things like remote viewing as a means of defense. My guess is--and it's just a guess--that there may have been a few CIA agents who attempted to infiltrate the TM-Siddhis course to see whether MMY had actually discovered anything that could be useful militarily. Given the belief in certain quarters of the CIA that such paranormal feats were possible, it would have been irresponsible for them *not* to investigate, to keep these abilities, if they existed, out of the hands of the enemy. (This was at the height of the Cold War, and the Soviets were known to be experimenting with paranormal stuff as well.) If that's what happpened, the CIA most likely lost interest very quickly; but if MMY had somehow picked up on them at the time, it might have been the genesis of his paranoia with regard to the CIA, although he would have misinterpreted its motivation. Others have suggested that the CIA might have thought the TMO, with its international network, could be a front for communist spying on the U.S., which seems to me less plausible but not out of the question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I can't help getting a bitter taste in my mouth whenever an individual or organisation is accused of illegal shenanigans -- as the CIA has with the TMO -- without evidence or proof. I find such declarations reprehensible. You mean, like the accusation that Habitat for Humanity is a scam? Was that thread serious? I thought it was a joke! Was my comment serious? I thought it was a joke! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Adult category seems to have been removed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 1:04 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. And there's a Grinch too, but Santa Claus appears to have won. Just FYI, the Grinch seems to be losing it heavily and making thinly-veiled death threats against you on a.m.t. Tom's in worse shape that I had imagined, and that is really saying a lot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International
Season's Greetings May the New Year brings you and your loved ones Health, Wealth Prosperity. Click here to view the full card on Net or paste the following link in your browser http://www.interfaithcharities.org/gc/200512.php From:Bir Grewall, family staff - Sponsored By : Financial Advisors of America Inc. www.faoai.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If he *did* really believe the stuff he says, he has had innumerable opportunities in the past few years to put those beliefs to the test. He has allowed every such opportunity to pass, in my opinion because he *never* wants these theories put to the test during his lifetime. Because he no longer believes they are true, and because he doesn't have the strength of character to admit that to the people he's misled for all these years. My take is that he still believes what he says but has realized it's not going to be as easy as he had first thought. He knows his original goals are not going to be achieved in his lifetime, so he's trying to set things up to ensure the basic teaching doesn't fade away after he dies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snippage here] This is NOT an invitation to argue. I'm just stepping in to state an alternative point of view; if you feel the need to argue with someone, it'll have to be some- one else. Now, that caveat out of the way: It seems to me that another explanation, one that to me seems closer to the facts as I perceive them, is that Maharishi is just a tired old man who is stuck in a rut and couldn't change if he wanted to. As you say, he started by talking about world peace, and IMO may have actually believed that the tech- niques he invented could help to achieve it. *At the time.* My perception is that he stopped believing that decades ago, but just can't stop saying the same olde shit. For one thing, he's gotten the blurb down so pat he could do it in his sleep; actually doing something new would be more of an effort. For another thing, people keep giving him money as long as he keeps telling them the lies they want to hear about world peace and their part in creating it. But do I believe that *he* actually believes that either TM or the TM-siddhis or the never-appearing pundits would have a ghost of a chance of having the slightest effect on world peace? Not for a minute. If he *did* really believe the stuff he says, he has had innumerable opportunities in the past few years to put those beliefs to the test. He has allowed every such opportunity to pass, in my opinion because he *never* wants these theories put to the test during his lifetime. Because he no longer believes they are true, and because he doesn't have the strength of character to admit that to the people he's misled for all these years. This is well thought out. Thanks. The original theory, that 'as the individual achieves more peace more peace becomes part of the family and this spreads' is probably as close to the Purity of the Teaching and anything resembling a Holy Tradition [i.e. common sense] associated with anything Mahesh did. The theory makes sense, of course. The fact that TM itself doesn't actually bring enough peace to an individual to have detectable peaceful effectiveness is the flaw. Yes, it gives some relief, some rest and if you do your studies with TM beginners, it appears you're on to something. But the peace doesn't come to anything. Thus no amount of trying to get more people to start (for which the $idhi fraud gets some extremely minor credit) accomplished anything but enriching Mahesh. After he declared his mission a failure and then gained fame on the backs of the Beatles who found his attempts to rip them off transparent, the Holy Tradition became all about making himself rich. He was one hell of a lot better at ripping people off than he was at accomplishing anything else, so he made the best of the lemon he was. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Odd that you don't seem to find the nature of Sal's remarks to me confusing. About 10% confusing. But for the most part, she made some valid points, IMO. No, in fact she made no valid points whatsoever. In fact? In fact! Can you pelase outline your personal epistimology. At present I am both baffled and amused. Tell you what, state what you believe were her valid points, and I'll explain why they weren't valid. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On Dec 23, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Vaj wrote: No, no Sal. That's why Mahesh and crew don't need to donate at such a gross level, they believe this. Judy's not sure what she believes. Or so her posts indicate. Yes, Vaj has a great deal of trouble figuring out what I believe from my posts, just as Sal does. Poor writing? Or the easier explanation: they are both retards. Hmm. Their other posts seem either informed or witty. Odd they would become retards just when responding to you. Hmm, I don't recall saying they were retards. I recall saying (now snipped, oddly enough) that they have certain expectations about what I believe and experience cognitive dissonance when my posts fail to confirm those expectations. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: FW: Weeweechu
To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- From: BOOKKEEPER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Anthony Rodriguez; Bobby Quinn; Clarissa Rhea Rodriguez; Cynthia RIOS; J Hooker; Josie Ortiz; Kathleen Stein; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; maureen hoffman; Pam Grazonka; Patt Fendley; Regina Walthers; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Virginia Lucio; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Weeweechu Ho la,Feliz Navidad!!!One beautiful December evening Pedro and his girlfriend Rosita were sitting by the side of the ocean. It was a romantic full moon, when Pedro said, Hey, mamacita, let's play Weeweechu.Oh no, not now, lets look at the moon said Rosita.Oh, c'mon baby, let's you and I play Weeweechu.I love you and it's the perfect time, Pedro begged.But I wanna just hold your hand and watch the moon.Please, corazoncito, just once, play Weeweechu with me.Rosita looked at Pedro and said, OK, one time, we'll play Weeweechu. Pedro grabbed his guitar and they both sang.Weeweechu a Merry Christmas, Weeweechu a Merry Christmas,Weeweechu a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.MERRY CHRISTMAS! [NOW GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!] . ---End Message---
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it is very reassuring to be told that resting for some minutes twice a day helps prevent most illnesses, war and natural disasters AND it makes it easier to gloss over bad news in the belief that one is already doing one's bit for the world. Surely there must be some truth in this dictum, even if it has at times been exaggerated. Just for da record, the notion that you can't solve the problem on the level of the problem is hardly unique to MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Merry Christmas
Title: Merry Christmas http://www.reuters.hu/card_dom/index_content.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that what they call a backwards compliment? Or is it the famous passive-aggressivness Dr. Peter finds everywhere. Not everywhere, just somewhere at sometimes. And as a semi-side note, doesn't it seem like FFL has become much like AMT over the last several months? Seems like so many exchanges quickly become these cantankerous battles because either one or both posters refuse to acknowledge that the other's post has any legitimacy. I've ceretainly fallen prey to this and it is so tedious. From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the same individual is perplexing. The TNBs, in my observation, tend to react to anybody who makes a positive statement by attempting to force them into the TB camp so they can be dismissed. It's only natural for the in-betweeners to be annoyed by that tactic when it misrepresents their views. Three of the most vocal of the in-betweeners--myself, Lawson (Sparaig), and Shemp--did come from alt.m.t, so perhaps that's part of the reason why the rancor seems to have increased since we got here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/24/05 8:35 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $112 million. A joint venture that includes Denver-based Sage Hospitality Resources LLC has closed on the acquisition of the shuttered Blackstone Hotel. A non-profit group headed by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi owned the 22-story building. Oh, a *non-profit group* headed by Maharishi. It will be most interesting to follow the money and see what they do with it this time. It might be, but it's not exactly public information. Anyone remember what they originally paid for the Blackstone? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside the TMO mentioning the word generosity or compassion in regards to M. I feel that on the whole, Maharishi was generous and compassionate with me. I felt great devotion for him, served him tirelessly, and he rewarded that service on many occasions. For instance, he let my mother join me on International Staff for 9 months, even though she had just been released from a mental hospital and wasnt the kind of person whom he could expect to make a significant contribution there. Being there with him changed her life profoundly, and Ill always be grateful to him for that, as well as for the benefits I derived from his teachings. This doesnt negate the screwy stuff he has done (literally and figuratively), but I believe that black and white thinking never mirrors reality, and its good to appreciate the good people have done. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Amma Post
This was posted on the Amma chat. I found it kind of sweet and thought some here might enjoy it. -- Forwarded Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:06:16 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ammachi] Digest Number 1840 Namaste: I live in the Bible belt and have not encountered any problems explaining Amma. Also, my mother in law is a strict Cathloic and she wanted to go with me to attend a darshan and it was beautiful. Here is what I say to friends, family and patients at work. I explain that Amma is a very advanced spiritual person. That I do not want them to think I am being blastmous (spell??) that when I go and see Amma the Bible comes to life for me. That I see all of Jesus's words and life in action. I say this with a lot of love in my heart. I explain that she offers free medical service and builds homes for widows, etc etc, and this inspires me to be more Christ like in my giving and serviing others. I explain that one of the ways she helps others is that she hugs them and calls everyone her children. I let them know that I have personally witnessed her sit for more than 9 hours hugging people with the same smile and love and care. That you can ask her questions and ask for a personal prayer from her. That when you are hugged by her you can feel Divine Christ Love around her and smell sweet rose smells. I stay very simple and sweet when speaking of her and with a lot of love in my heart. I explain that being in her presence and seeing a woman giving such love and care to people in the world without asking for a dime helps me as a woman relate better to walking a spiritual path. That I love Jesus but for some reason watching another woman walk a path of Divine Love and Compassion and do everything that Jesus did has helped me. That Love Compassion is so important to me that I dont care that I dont understand all the beautiful devotional music being sung and I dont care if she is showing her love through the Hindu path. So, each year, I go and spend spiritual retreat with her and I pray and meditate and cry and bring all my problems to her to help me understand and heal and become a better person. So I can return and love/serve people more. I usually do not go into the unbelievable profound spiritual experiences I have had with her which are beyond words. Or talk about my entire life transforming since meeting her. I stay very light and simple with truth as I experience it. I have always experienced a very positive response when I speak of her explaining from my heart meeting people at where they are at instead of where I am at. I prayed for Amma to give me the words because I am here to serve not to be crucified. She has never let me down in guiding me with what to say to people. I Loves Service malati Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the same individual is perplexing. Yeah, that's what all TBs say when they're trying to convince themselves that they're not one. :-) Sorry. Couldn't resist stating the obvious. Letting it drop now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
In a message dated 12/24/05 11:01:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be, but it's not exactly public information. Anyone remember whatthey originally paid for the Blackstone? Bingo this is the question. I hear every now and then that the TMO has sold a piece of real estate for a certain amount but nobody ever tells us how much money they sunk into it. How much the put down, how much they actually paid including interest, taxes and insurance. How much they were fined for keeping an eyesore and lack of maintenance. I can't help but believe that they are not making the "killing" they want TB's to think they are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/24/05 11:01:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be, but it's not exactly public information. Anyone remember what they originally paid for the Blackstone? Bingo this is the question. I hear every now and then that the TMO has sold a piece of real estate for a certain amount but nobody ever tells us how much money they sunk into it. How much the put down, how much they actually paid including interest, taxes and insurance. How much they were fined for keeping an eyesore and lack of maintenance. I can't help but believe that they are not making the killing they want TB's to think they are. If they were making any money (not even a killing) you people would complain that they are capitalist pigs, and if they loose money you people will say they are a bunch of incompetent hippies. It is your nature to say these things no matter what. I predict, that if it is found that they did make a profit, then people here will harp on about how the movement is all about making money. OffWorld. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the same individual is perplexing. Yeah, that's what all TBs say when they're trying to convince themselves that they're not one. Q.E.D. :-) Sorry. Couldn't resist stating the obvious. Letting it drop now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/24/05 11:01:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be, but it's not exactly public information. Anyone remember what they originally paid for the Blackstone? Bingo this is the question. I hear every now and then that the TMO has sold a piece of real estate for a certain amount but nobody ever tells us how much money they sunk into it. How much the put down, how much they actually paid including interest, taxes and insurance. How much they were fined for keeping an eyesore and lack of maintenance. I can't help but believe that they are not making the killing they want TB's to think they are. FWIW, it turns out the $122 million figure is for the renovation by the new owners. The sale price of the building was much less, something like $12 million, slightly above the building's official current valuation. This is according to a correction just posted by Ron on TMNews; he'll probably get around to posting it here as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIDWEST BRIEFS Deal completed for Blackstone Tribune staff, wire reports Published December 23, 2005 $112 million. A joint venture that includes Denver-based Sage Hospitality Resources LLC has closed on the acquisition of the shuttered Blackstone Hotel. A non- profit group headed by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi owned the 22-story building. Oh, a *non-profit group* headed by Maharishi. It will be most interesting to follow the money and see what they do with it this time. Past performance is no indication of future returns? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug No, may be they have enough money now they could give back that money they mis-appropriated from the Kaplans. Or, is the thinking that the Kaplans probably deserved to have their money taken and that was okay... *Actions speak louder than words* is the old saying. Who says MMY is a megalomaniac? -D Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. Not to mention being a fantasy based in self importance, both for the person who thought it up (Maharishi) and the ones who perpetuate it (TMers who desperately want to cling to the idea that their lives were important enough to be persecuted). There is ZERO evidence -- and never has been -- that the TMO or MMY is or ever was the target of the CIA. Paranoids don't need evidence. In fact, the less hard evidence there is, the more it's a sign that the persecutors are doing a really good job. :-) Of course, claiming that one is the target of the CIA is always a convenient scapegoat for one's own failings. But I can't help getting a bitter taste in my mouth whenever an individual or organisation is accused of illegal shenanigans -- as the CIA has with the TMO -- without evidence or proof. I find such declarations reprehensible. It's not *about* the CIA. It's about eltitists' innate need to feel important. The TM organization panders to elitism. It tells its members that they're so important that when they meditate they clear stress from the atmosphere and that when they bounce on their butts they create world peace. It tells them that their belief systems are better than anyone else's in the world. And to put the cherry on top of the self-importance cake, it tells people that they are SO important that the CIA and other evil forces are trying to persecute the founder of this So Very Special And Important Tradition, and thus are indirectly trying to persecute *them*, the really important ones, the ones who make it all happen with their cash. It's so common in religious and spiritual traditions that the mind boggles that people still believe this crap. But people still believe this crap, because they're more desperate to be important than they are to be rational. The belief that we change the world by medidating appears to come from the genesis of the TMO through Brahmananda Saraswati-Guru Dev who was Shiva manifest here on earth. All of the effects en masse TMers are supposed to have on the world can be traced to effects Shiva has on the world. So this transmission came from Shiva, through Guru Dev, to Maharishi and then reflected in the TMO. It is an accurate transmission, that then gets muddied up in the muddy awareness of the TMO. All of the TMO rides on the power of Guru Dev's coatails. Every spiritual movement has its inspiration, its dedication, its transformation, and its transcendence. The TMO appears to be at its point of trasformation, a stage that many movements don't get through, because it calls for many of its adherents to awaken. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was posted on the Amma chat. I found it kind of sweet and thought some here might enjoy it. -- Forwarded Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:06:16 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ammachi] Digest Number 1840 Namaste: I live in the Bible belt and have not encountered any problems explaining Amma. Also, my mother in law is a strict Cathloic and she wanted to go with me to attend a darshan and it was beautiful. Here is what I say to friends, family and patients at work. I explain that Amma is a very advanced spiritual person. That I do not want them to think I am being blastmous (spell??) that when I go and see Amma the Bible comes to life for me. That I see all of Jesus's words and life in action. I say this with a lot of love in my heart. I explain that she offers free medical service and builds homes for widows, etc etc, and this inspires me to be more Christ like in my giving and serviing others. I explain that one of the ways she helps others is that she hugs them and calls everyone her children. I let them know that I have personally witnessed her sit for more than 9 hours hugging people with the same smile and love and care. That you can ask her questions and ask for a personal prayer from her. That when you are hugged by her you can feel Divine Christ Love around her and smell sweet rose smells. I stay very simple and sweet when speaking of her and with a lot of love in my heart. I explain that being in her presence and seeing a woman giving such love and care to people in the world without asking for a dime helps me as a woman relate better to walking a spiritual path. That I love Jesus but for some reason watching another woman walk a path of Divine Love and Compassion and do everything that Jesus did has helped me. That Love Compassion is so important to me that I dont care that I dont understand all the beautiful devotional music being sung and I dont care if she is showing her love through the Hindu path. So, each year, I go and spend spiritual retreat with her and I pray and meditate and cry and bring all my problems to her to help me understand and heal and become a better person. So I can return and love/serve people more. I usually do not go into the unbelievable profound spiritual experiences I have had with her which are beyond words. Or talk about my entire life transforming since meeting her. I stay very light and simple with truth as I experience it. I have always experienced a very positive response when I speak of her explaining from my heart meeting people at where they are at instead of where I am at. I prayed for Amma to give me the words because I am here to serve not to be crucified. She has never let me down in guiding me with what to say to people. I Loves Service malati Jai MahaLaksmi OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:49 PM, authfriend wrote: I wonder how much was given to the Tsunami victims or the victims of 9/11 by him? No, you don't wonder at all. There are many charitable organizations and individuals that have given money to victims of the tsunami and 9/11 (and Katrina, and many other worthy causes). The TMO, however, is not a charitable organization, it's an educational organization that exists to teach people TM, in the belief that if enough people are practicing it, there will be fewer disastrous tsunamis and less terrorism overall. So it doesn't make sense to expend resources trying to deal with the problem on the level of the problem instead of dealing with the root cause, especially when so much charity is flowing from organizations and individuals whose purpose it is to help the victims directly. You didn't answer the question. Are you implying they/he gave nothing? Not even a small amount? I'm sure many have died due to these faulty beliefs--really just extortion schemes. It's perfectly reasonable to think this is an absurd belief, or even to criticize MMY for holding it, but it's kinda silly to attack him for being stingy when it *is* what he believes, and what he's devoted his life to attempting to accomplish. Not according to one of his closest former disciples, Earl Kaplan. Earl Jaokab was one of his closest disciples? ANd where did he say that MMY hasn't devotedthe last 50 years of his life to the TMO? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beginner's Mind film review...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you seen any of Jackson's early films? Such as Meet the Feebles and Bad Taste? Feebles is like the muppets on acid and quite a hoot. I can see from these why studio execs had confidence Jackson could bring in LotR as these films had some good special effects produced on a low budget. - Bhairitu The Frighteners is great also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] all hail to auth friend
auth friend, you're vanquishing all your opponents today. You're wiping the floor with them! Trouble is, most of the time they're too dim to realize it. But I do wonder why you continually choose to present your talents on this very small stage. You should at the very least be arguing in a courtroom, or maybe before the Supreme Court. But more than that, I would really like to see you take on God. He's made some awfully confusing and contradictory statements in that Bible of his, and I'd love to see you take him apart, piece by piece. You would no doubt be promptly despatched to hell, but I see you as having quite a splendid time down there in the flames, eternally outsmarting all the other damned souls (many of them, of course, participants on this board), to their eternal, impotent fury! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/24/05 11:26 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not the case--but I honestly don't think you'll convince many people at all that if you give money to Mahesh or practice his McMeditation you're going to stop tsunamis. On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:19 PM, feste37 wrote: Generosity is the giving of your time and talents to help improve the lives of others. I would say MMY passes that test to all but the most cynical observers. It seems that you see no value at all in what he has done. I would call you a TN (true nonbeliever), which is a bit like being a TB in the sense that you have to ignore huge swaths of evidence in order to maintain your point of view, come hell or high water. OF course, while many TBs, including, MMY, believe that TM practice DOES influence reality (what is Yogic FLying, last 2 stages, if not that?), the discussion isn't about TM's effects on tsunamis, but whether or not MMY has devoted his life to something he deems of benefit to everyone. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply reporting what some else has said even though you state that it seems as good an explanation as any (Which begs the question, what other explanations for natural disasters have you read--I mean, other than DC Comics?) Seems as good an explanation as any FOR SUCH A NOTION... You twerp.   According to MMY, the root cause of natural disasters  is stress, as you know. Reducing the levels of stress  in the atmosphere will therefore reduce the number  and severity of natural disasters. Seems as good an  explanation as any for such a notion. It's sure nice to know that none of the TMO silliness is part of your belief system, and that you base all your arguments on good, solid facts. I don't believe it, but I don't rule it out either. Oh. Yes, that sure clears things up. Tell you what, Judy. I'll take a course on reading comprehension if you agree to take one in Basic English. Sal On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:59 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:41 PM, authfriend wrote:  Speaking of silly, I've always thought it's pretty silly  to conflate a person reporting what someone else has said,  with that person *advocating* what they are reporting  someone else said. Yep. I know it's totally silly and almost unthinkable that you were advocating such nonsense, even thought that's exactly what it sounded like. Thanks for clearing that up. Reading comprehension, Sal. Next time try reading what I *actually* say instead of what you need to believe I'm saying.  I'm afraid neither Barry Manilow nor Ozzy would help. That's the whole idea--they're not supposed to.  A good course in reading comprehension, perhaps. Great idea, Judy. Enjoy. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ⪠ Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web.  ⪠ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ⪠ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: all hail to auth friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: auth friend, you're vanquishing all your opponents today. You're wiping the floor with them! Trouble is, most of the time they're too dim to realize it. But I do wonder why you continually choose to present your talents on this very small stage. You should at the very least be arguing in a courtroom, or maybe before the Supreme Court. But more than that, I would really like to see you take on God. He's made some awfully confusing and contradictory statements in that Bible of his, and I'd love to see you take him apart, piece by piece. You would no doubt be promptly despatched to hell, but I see you as having quite a splendid time down there in the flames, eternally outsmarting all the other damned souls (many of them, of course, participants on this board), to their eternal, impotent fury! Y'know, I can't really tell whether this is meant as support or satire or a slam or all of the above, but the idea of taking on God and ending up in Hell still preaching to us FFLers just cracked me right up. For all concerned, that's an image of Hell that even Hieronymous Bosch never dreamed up. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/23/05 6:21 PM, matrixmonitor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Yeah but the Fundie's have won the battle (not the long term war). Since Carter's Presidency, the Fundies have more or less Shangheid the executive branch of government, with plenty of right-wing big brass Fundies (even going back to the Reagan era - e.g. Oliver North) , secreted in high places within the pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc. As to numbers, the TM Movement has almost become extinct but the fundie Evangelical movement has burgeoned into a humongous powerhouse of influence. You could probably count the numbers of active TM'ers in the US in the thousands (a few thousand); but the largest Megachurch in the US (in Houston- televangelist Joel Osteen) , draws in 20,000 every Sunday. Even small towns all across the Midwest practically have a Church for the fundies in every square mile. They're coming out of the woodwork. Something stronger than TM-ocide spray will be needed to deal with the pestilence. Somebody - some remarkable Guru - must appear on the scene with a visible demonstration of Siddhis. Unless he could convince them he was Christ, they'd probably kill him. And to convince them of that, he would have to massacre the non- Christians, because that's what they're expecting the Big Guy to do. Funny how the Prince of Peace isn't going to be peaceful this time around, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 11:26 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. Prediction: Dick Cheney will turn out to be a 30 foot cockroach from another planet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: all hail to auth friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You should at the very least be arguing in a courtroom, or maybe before the Supreme Court. But more than that, I would really like to see you take on God. Too late. I took on God, and I won. You'll have to settle for mud-wrestling with Santa Claus. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply reporting what some else has said even though you state that it seems as good an explanation as any (Which begs the question, what other explanations for natural disasters have you read--I mean, other than DC Comics?) Seems as good an explanation as any FOR SUCH A NOTION... Bingo. You twerp. Bingo. According to MMY, the root cause of natural disasters is stress, as you know. Reducing the levels of stress in the atmosphere will therefore reduce the number and severity of natural disasters. Seems as good an explanation as any for such a notion. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. Prediction: Dick Cheney will turn out to be a 30 foot cockroach from another planet. Cheater! That's already happened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, InterFaith Charities Secretariat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Season's Greetings May the New Year brings you and your loved ones Health, Wealth Prosperity. Click here to view the full card on Net or paste the following link in your browser http://www.interfaithcharities.org/gc/200512.php From: Bir Grewall, family staff - Sponsored By : Financial Advisors of America Inc. www.faoai.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] please note: TM is not a religion and I personally am against religion. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: all hail to auth friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: auth friend, you're vanquishing all your opponents today. You're wiping the floor with them! Trouble is, most of the time they're too dim to realize it. But I do wonder why you continually choose to present your talents on this very small stage. You should at the very least be arguing in a courtroom, or maybe before the Supreme Court. But more than that, I would really like to see you take on God. He's made some awfully confusing and contradictory statements in that Bible of his, and I'd love to see you take him apart, piece by piece. You would no doubt be promptly despatched to hell, but I see you as having quite a splendid time down there in the flames, eternally outsmarting all the other damned souls (many of them, of course, participants on this board), to their eternal, impotent fury! Y'know, I can't really tell whether this is meant as support or satire or a slam or all of the above, Neither can I, actually! but the idea of taking on God and ending up in Hell still preaching to us FFLers just cracked me right up. For all concerned, that's an image of Hell that even Hieronymous Bosch never dreamed up. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
on 12/24/05 11:55 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless he could convince them he was Christ, they'd probably kill him. And to convince them of that, he would have to massacre the non- Christians, because that's what they're expecting the Big Guy to do. Funny how the Prince of Peace isn't going to be peaceful this time around, eh? The Christians are just projecting their vindictive, violent tendencies onto Christ, something he would disavow, if he were here to do so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. Prediction: Dick Cheney will turn out to be a 30 foot cockroach from another planet. Cheater! That's already happened. I know, it is kindof obvious. I wonder how-come non-one in the media has spotted it yet. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets see, thats sarcasm, combined with direct imsult. Right? This is fun. Guess the insult category. What a fun game! Boy, it's weird how you manage to spot my sarcasm and insults and miss hers completely. Why do you think that is? Um, Sal is less sarcastic? Actually, the entire sub-thread started by Sal is either an incredibly nasty attack on Judy OR is based on a few words that were deleted when she quoted Judy. Those few words change the entire meaning of the quote and to delete them was either a very unfortunate oversight, or a deliberate, nasty attempt to portray Judy as saying something otherthan what she actually said. Judy assumed it was deliberate. I read it that way as well, but its always possible that Sal did it by accident. More likely, Sal did it on purpose and has forgotten that she did it and now believes that what she originally deliberately misquoted is really what Judy said in the first place. You see that kind of thing happen all the time on the internet: someone deliberately misconstrues what someone else meant and eventually starts to believe their own distortion. And feels and reacts with genuine resentment towards the other person for implying that they would ever do such a thing in the first place. Or I have an anti feminine bias? Opps you already used that card. And Sal is a woman, as far as I can tell. Maybe he/she is an italian masculine good old boy. You can never tell. So, I am not sure why that is, other than thats my view. And Sal is less sarcastic. (though not perfect -- but tired. But sal, I truly believe you can take the upper road. Judy, I am not so sure... Judy insult ad naseum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, far better to give at the level of the root, (ie to MMY) For the record, I don't give anything to the TMO or to MMY. than at that gross level where they might actually help someone in need. And this is what passes for logic in the TMO. Sal On Dec 23, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Vaj wrote: No, no Sal. That's why Mahesh and crew don't need to donate at such a gross level, they believe this. Judy's not sure what she believes. Or so her posts indicate. Yes, Vaj has a great deal of trouble figuring out what I believe from my posts, just as Sal does. Poor writing? Or the easier explanation: they are both retards. Hmm. Their other posts seem either informed or witty. Odd they would become retards just when responding to you. Oh, I don't know about that. Both Sal and Val come acroess as quite opinionated and intransigent on occassion, depending on the subject matter. Judy tends to hold opposite opinions on those particular topics so its not surprising that their responses to Judy are different than their responses to others who may not be quite so diametrically opposed in their opinions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 11:55 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless he could convince them he was Christ, they'd probably kill him. And to convince them of that, he would have to massacre the non- Christians, because that's what they're expecting the Big Guy to do. Funny how the Prince of Peace isn't going to be peaceful this time around, eh? The Christians are just projecting their vindictive, violent tendencies onto Christ, something he would disavow, if he were here to do so. Well(if he even existed), he did say a bunch of stuff about coming back with a big sword and such-like, but I think he was more of a stand-up comedian really. Like when people got all serious about sin, and he said: Well dude, if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and if thy right eye offend bud, the pluck it out. Very humorous guy was Jesus. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. There is ZERO evidence -- and never has been -- that the TMO or MMY is or ever was the target of the CIA. Of course, claiming that one is the target of the CIA is always a convenient scapegoat for one's own failings. But I can't help getting a bitter taste in my mouth whenever an individual or organisation is accused of illegal shenanigans -- as the CIA has with the TMO -- without evidence or proof. I find such declarations reprehensible. Just about any organization that was non-mainstream in the 60's and 70's was a target of the CIA or at least the FBI. because he was targeted by that peanut-farming moron, Jimmy Carter. Rick Archer has posted here before about MMY's meeting with Carter in the Georgia governor's office not long before Carter became President (a hilarious scene -- Carter praying on his knees when MMY walked into the office). Carter felt that MMY was a threat to Christianity and determined to meet the enemy and find a way to derail him -- fortunately, like most of Carter's muddled thinking, the CIA's efforts fizzled out. - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Yeah but the Fundie's have won the battle (not the long term war). Since Carter's Presidency, the Fundies have more or less Shangheid the executive branch of government, with plenty of right-wing big brass Fundies (even going back to the Reagan era - e.g. Oliver North) , secreted in high places within the pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc. As to numbers, the TM Movement has almost become extinct but the fundie Evangelical movement has burgeoned into a humongous powerhouse of influence. You could probably count the numbers of active TM'ers in the US in the thousands (a few thousand); but the largest Megachurch in the US (in Houston- televangelist Joel Osteen) , draws in 20,000 every Sunday. Even small towns all across the Midwest practically have a Church for the fundies in every square mile. They're coming out of the woodwork. Something stronger than TM-ocide spray will be needed to deal with the pestilence. Somebody - some remarkable Guru - must appear on the scene with a visible demonstration of Siddhis. Why should the performance of some parlor tricks be evidence of enlightenment or something good? It wouldn't necessarily be evidence of anything positive, but it WOULD impress many fundamentalists, though not necessarily ina positive way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the same individual is perplexing. Yeah, that's what all TBs say when they're trying to convince themselves that they're not one. :-) Sorry. Couldn't resist stating the obvious. Letting it drop now... So the person who claims to be moderate is automatically extremist? Where does that leave YOU, I wonder... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Not according to one of his closest former disciples, Earl Kaplan. Earl Jaokab was one of his closest disciples? ANd where did he say that MMY hasn't devotedthe last 50 years of his life to the TMO? Earl Jaokab = Earl Kaplan Touch-typing while not reading what one writes, can lead to interesting misprints when one has lost the home keys... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] reducing levels of stress
According to MMY, the root cause of natural disasters is stress, as you know. Reducing the levels of stress in the atmosphere will therefore reduce the number and severity of natural disasters. Seems as good an explanation as any for such a notion. Not sure who wrote the above. Something to do with TM preventing tsunamis??? What a piece of twerpitis! A tsunami RESULTS FROM a reduction in the level of stress. One plate was under stress from another and let go. The stress was reduced. The resultant tsunami killed lots of folks. So, is the TMO taking credit for this reduction in stress? When are we going to be freed from the stress of the TMO, MUM, Guru Bev, a.m.t., ffl? Will the resulting release of stress also wipe out thousands? Or whill there be a general sigh of relief? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 11:26 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. Prediction: Tom Pall will be asked to take over the TM Movement and in his first offical act as the Leader he makes a deal with the ET's that land on the White House lawn to have Rick Archer removed from planet Earth thereby leaving FFLife leaderless and Yahoo finally agrees to remove the group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the same individual is perplexing. Yeah, that's what all TBs say when they're trying to convince themselves that they're not one. :-) Sorry. Couldn't resist stating the obvious. Letting it drop now... So the person who claims to be moderate is automatically extremist? Where does that leave YOU, I wonder... Look, it was just a funny line, man. But I *do* believe in its accuracy, because of how I define True Believer. You see, I don't pay any attention whatsoever to what people *claim* to believe. In my opinion, that's just the jive they tell them selves to keep them selves unenlightened, so it's not as if I'm going to believe any of it. I fall back on a maxim from a teacher I spent some time with: Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO! In other words, if they *claim* to be moderates or skeptics or whatever the flavor of I'm not really a TB is that week, one ignores completely what they *say* about what they are and just watch how they act. If in *most* cases these people 1) react in a seemingly knee-jerk fashion almost every time the dogma of the TMO is challenged, 2) act in a fashion *supportive* to the TM dogma every time they react in a knee-jerk fashion, and 3) almost *never* admit the possibility that they might be wrong about the TM movement's true intentions or the inherent value of its teachings, then Yes! I'm gonna tend to class such a person as a TB. Just to reiterate before dropping it, I don't care what a person says about what they claim to believe. I care only about how they ACT, on a regular basis. If those actions tend to make it seem as if the claim of objectivity of moderation or skepticism is self-delusion, then there you jolly well are, aren't you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group Settings
Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/23/05 12:40 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/23/05 8:46 AM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my fiber optic line finally repaired, I can host files on my personal web server. With Yahoo's ridiculously small allotted disk space, it might not be a bad idea to host some content elsewhere. And, with photos, there's the additional benefit of files not being downsized, as they are on Yahoo. I've created the directory, and if there's any interest, gimme a shout. http://alex.natel.net/ffl/ How would this work? Could people upload files or would they send them to you to upload? People would have to email me the files. I'm not comfortable giving people FTP access to the server. Sounds good to me. I could add it to the Group Guidelines. What email address would you like to use? In case Yahoo mail has size limits on attachments, it would be best to send files to xntrik at natel dot net. Alex There are some PHP scripts out there (assuming your server has PHP support) that allow others to upload to a directory and then you (or others you give rights to that directory) can approve them and make them available for download. I'm surprised that Yahoo isn't a moderated option on the files section where the moderator must approve them before the actually are available for download. But I seem to remember checking into another issue here on a group I have moderation rights that Yahoo is rather simplistic in those regards. - Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside the TMO mentioning the word "generosity" or "compassion" in regards to M.I feel that on the whole, Maharishi was generous and compassionate with me. I felt great devotion for him, served him tirelessly, and he rewarded that service on many occasions. For instance, he let my mother join me on International Staff for 9 months, even though she had just been released from a mental hospital and wasn’t the kind of person whom he could expect to make a significant contribution there. Being there with him changed her life profoundly, and I’ll always be grateful to him for that, as well as for the benefits I derived from his teachings. This doesn’t negate the screwy stuff he has done (literally and figuratively), but I believe that black and white thinking never mirrors reality, and it’s good to appreciate the good people have done. Well while that's nice to hear again, as I pointed out before unless you either give your life or give your money, my feeling is this is unlikely to happen for others. I guess you could say if "time is money" then there's really little difference. I'm glad you had that experience, but a way of seeing someone as compassionate might be to those who can give the least rather than those who give their all, all their time or alot of their money. I would expect these people to be rewarded, wouldn't you?I know in my own life I pray for those who bow to the rich and the slavish, but turn their noses up at the unfortunate or the downtrodden. I hope they can evolve and I take up whatever slack I can.Irregardless my request for a recent independent remark in the public sphere that mentions M. as compassionate or charitable seems to have drawn a blank. I would have though Bob B. would've been able to find something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: reducing levels of stress
Earth releasing stress through plate-tectonics and Volcanoes is probably due to Entropy.?? Continents are basicaly rafting around on a viscous fluid mantle. High temperature in the interior is periodicaly released through volcanoes. If the Volcano in YellowStone park erupts, half the planet will be covered in ash. It'll block sunlight for years. Watching 'Jerry Lewis show' releases stress. You laugh your daylights off,, or 'Muppet Show' for that matter. Does that harm the environment.??OriginalMessage- From: "gerbal88" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:30:02 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] reducing levels of stressNot sure who wrote the above. Something to do with TM preventing tsunamis??? What a piece of twerpitis!A tsunami RESULTS FROM a reduction in the level of stress. One plate was under stress from another and let go. The stress was reduced. The resultant tsunami killed lots of folks. So, is the TMO taking credit for this reduction in stress?When are we going to be freed from the stress of the TMO, MUM, Guru Bev, a.m.t., ffl? Will the resulting release of stress also wipe out thousands? Or will there be a general sigh of relief? Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Group Settings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some PHP scripts out there (assuming your server has PHP support) that allow others to upload to a directory and then you (or others you give rights to that directory) can approve them and make them available for download. My web server is just an old PC with a fresh install of Win2000, running Apache, and all I use it for is sharing pictures. What you're describing is far beyond my level of expertise. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside the TMO mentioning the word generosity or compassion in regards to M. I feel that on the whole, Maharishi was generous and compassionate with me. I felt great devotion for him, served him tirelessly, and he rewarded that service on many occasions. For instance, he let my mother join me on International Staff for 9 months, even though she had just been released from a mental hospital and wasn't the kind of person whom he could expect to make a significant contribution there. Being there with him changed her life profoundly, and I'll always be grateful to him for that, as well as for the benefits I derived from his teachings. This doesn't negate the screwy stuff he has done (literally and figuratively), but I believe that black and white thinking never mirrors reality, and it's good to appreciate the good people have done. Well while that's nice to hear again, as I pointed out before unless you either give your life or give your money, my feeling is this is unlikely to happen for others. I guess you could say if time is money then there's really little difference. I'm glad you had that experience, but a way of seeing someone as compassionate might be to those who can give the least rather than those who give their all, all their time or alot of their money. I would expect these people to be rewarded, wouldn't you? I know in my own life I pray for those who bow to the rich and the slavish, but turn their noses up at the unfortunate or the downtrodden. I hope they can evolve and I take up whatever slack I can. Irregardless my request for a recent independent remark in the public sphere that mentions M. as compassionate or charitable seems to have drawn a blank. I would have though Bob B. would've been able to find something. As you might recall, immediately after 9/11, Mahesh took out ads in 3 major newspapers basically threatening more of the same unless the US government gave him a billion $ to save us all. I have the PDF in case anyone really needs proof that he's lost his marbles. Quietly HH the Dalai Lama sent a cheque for $30,000 if I remember correctly. No fanfare, no attention sought and I don't think it got public until nearly a year later. For the Tibetan Government in Exile, $30,000 is a considerable sum. Someone, as I mentioned in another post, wrote that the basics of TM was about release of stress. By that logic, the tsunami last Boxing Day was stress release ... but on that basis I dare the TMO to tell us something good is happening! Oh, dear planet, you're just unstressing, something good is happening. Obviously, anticipating some numskull, it was better to release it then rather than wait until it was twice as bad. But that's stupid. If Mahesh is all he makes himself out to be (courtesy of the TBTMO), then he knew it was coming and, had he been compassionate, generous, intelligent, considerate, he would have said so and told people to be up in the mountains that day. Mahesh is an opportunistic narcissist. People follow him because they truly believe they are on the right path, because they truly believe. Even drug addicts who rest on the TBTMO laurals that they have experience to prove it's good know better. So, I think we can genuinely say that Mahesh has many accomplishments: nobody in the 20th Century singlehandedly ripped off more people, got more people to believe empty promises or built an empire on his own failure. Way to go Mahesh. I hope the special place you get in hell will be exactly what you deserve. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/24/05 12:39 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 11:26 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. Prediction: Tom Pall will be asked to take over the TM Movement and in his first offical act as the Leader he makes a deal with the ET's that land on the White House lawn to have Rick Archer removed from planet Earth They'll have to land in my back yard to do that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: reducing levels of stress
There's obviously release of stress and then there's release of stress. I can tell the difference and, despite your having left out the remarks to which I made reference, so can you. Laughter is wonderful and Mahesh made a lot of it, but for all the wrong reasons. He saw how stupid people were and took them for every cent he could. Funny, but I don't find that funny. It's basically criminal. He made huge amounts of cash by having monster TTC's in Mallorca, Fiuggi and La Antilla. There was huge and very unfunny unstressing that went with it, but I imagine Mahesh laughed all the way to the bank. Certainly he said those people (who were unstressing so much he had to keep them around until they got better) were such a nuicance. Happily, the next time he needed money, he invented the $idhi fraud which took money but didn't replace it will all that much unstressing ... at least not until you discovered just how taken you had been taken. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earth releasing stress through plate-tectonics and Volcanoes is probably due to Entropy.?? Continents are basicaly rafting around on a viscous fluid mantle. High temperature in the interior is periodicaly released through volcanoes. If the Volcano in YellowStone park erupts, half the planet will be covered in ash. It'll block sunlight for years. Watching 'Jerry Lewis show' releases stress. You laugh your daylights off,, or 'Muppet Show' for that matter. Does that harm the environment.?? OriginalMessage- From: gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:30:02 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] reducing levels of stress Not sure who wrote the above. Something to do with TM preventing tsunamis??? What a piece of twerpitis! A tsunami RESULTS FROM a reduction in the level of stress. One plate was under stress from another and let go. The stress was reduced. The resultant tsunami killed lots of folks. So, is the TMO taking credit for this reduction in stress? When are we going to be freed from the stress of the TMO, MUM, Guru Bev, a.m.t., ffl? Will the resulting release of stress also wipe out thousands? Or will there be a general sigh of relief? - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] SF Chronicle on link between Jesus and Krishna
When Swami Vedananda is asked about Christmas, a high lilt creeps into his gruff voice. A feeling of softness and gentleness comes over all at this time, he says. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/12/24/DDG4SGC9RD1.DTL Happy Holidays! - Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Boy, it's weird how you manage to spot my sarcasm and insults and miss hers completely. Why do you think that is? Um, Sal is less sarcastic? Actually, the entire sub-thread started by Sal is either an incredibly nasty attack on Judy OR is based on a few words that were deleted when she quoted Judy. Those few words change the entire meaning of the quote and to delete them was either a very unfortunate oversight, or a deliberate, nasty attempt to portray Judy as saying something otherthan what she actually said. Judy assumed it was deliberate. I read it that way as well, but its always possible that Sal did it by accident. More likely, Sal did it on purpose and has forgotten that she did it and now believes that what she originally deliberately misquoted is really what Judy said in the first place. It's also possible that when I drew her attention to the omission by asking her to reread what I had actually written (quoting it so she wouldn't have to go hunt for it), she realized her (initially inadvertent) error but was too embarrassed to admit it, given the nastiness with which she had used the truncated quote. So she felt she had to brazen it out and ignore what I had pointed out to her. That happens a lot on the Internet too. People get themselves dug in deeper and deeper when they can't cop to having made a mistake. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: reducing levels of stress
Osho Rajneesh called Maharishi, "Swami Gigglananda", because he giggles a lot. Exc. Bevan Morris after the Gujarat earthquake, quoted Maharishi saying, 'Gujarataplace of corruption deserved a shaking.!!'OriginalMessage- From: "gerbal88" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:06:31 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: reducing levels of stressThere's obviously release of stress and then there's release of stress. I can tell the difference and, despite your having left out the remarks to which I made reference, so can you. Laughter is wonderful and Mahesh made a lot of it, but for all the wrong reasons. He saw how stupid people were and took them for every cent he could.Funny, but I don't find that funny. It's basically criminal. He made huge amounts of cash by having monster TTC's in Mallorca, Fiuggi and La Antilla. There was huge and very unfunny unstressing that went with it, but I imagine Mahesh laughed all the way to the bank. Certainly he said "those people" (who were unstressing so much he had to keep them around until they got better) were "such a nuicance". Happily, the next time he needed money, he invented the $idhi fraud which took money but didn't replace it will all that much unstressing ... at least not until you discovered just how taken you had been taken. Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: reducing levels of stress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to MMY, the root cause of natural disasters is stress, as you know. Reducing the levels of stress in the atmosphere will therefore reduce the number and severity of natural disasters. Seems as good an explanation as any for such a notion. Not sure who wrote the above. Something to do with TM preventing tsunamis??? What a piece of twerpitis! I wrote it. A tsunami RESULTS FROM a reduction in the level of stress. One plate was under stress from another and let go. The stress was reduced. The resultant tsunami killed lots of folks. Geologically speaking, yes, but I suspect that's not what MMY had in mind. The idea would be, I believe, that a reduction in the levels of stress *in the (metaphysical) atmosphere* would mean that the kinds of self-adjustments of the earth's crust you're referring to wouldn't happen as often, or the results would be less extreme, or they'd happen in different ways, maybe little by little over time rather than all at once. Or to put it another way, if Nature weren't so busy dealing with stress in the atmosphere, it could pay more attention to making the necessary adjustments in a less destructive manner. (Yes, I'm anthropomorphizng Nature here, but I hope the basic idea comes across.) Caveat for the TNBs: I am *not* claiming that this is how things happen. I don't know if it does or not; it seems pretty far-fetched. But to argue that it can't be the case because tsunamis are caused by the release of geological stress is to knock down a straw man. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
On Dec 24, 2005, at 3:00 PM, gerbal88 wrote:As you might recall, immediately after 9/11, Mahesh took out ads in 3 major newspapers basically threatening more of the same unless the US government gave him a billion $ to save us all. I have the PDF in case anyone really needs proof that he's lost his marbles.I'd love to see the PDF, thanks!I honestly did not know he was that whacked, but I guess it's so. shrugs Quietly HH the Dalai Lama sent a cheque for $30,000 if I remember correctly. No fanfare, no attention sought and I don't think it got public until nearly a year later. For the Tibetan Government in Exile, $30,000 is a considerable sum. Someone, as I mentioned in another post, wrote that the basics of TM was about release of stress. By that logic, the tsunami last Boxing Day was stress release ... but on that basis I dare the TMO to tell us something good is happening! "Oh, dear planet, you're just unstressing, something good is happening." Obviously, anticipating some numskull, it was better to release it then rather than wait until it was twice as bad. But that's stupid. If Mahesh is all he makes himself out to be (courtesy of the TBTMO), then he knew it was coming and, had he been compassionate, generous, intelligent, considerate, he would have said so and told people to be up in the mountains that day. LOL. Mahesh is an opportunistic narcissist. People follow him because they truly believe they are on the right path, because they truly believe. Even drug addicts who rest on the TBTMO laurals that they have experience to prove it's good know better. So, I think we can genuinely say that Mahesh has many accomplishments: nobody in the 20th Century singlehandedly ripped off more people, got more people to believe empty promises or built an empire on his own failure. Way to go Mahesh. I hope the special place you get in hell will be exactly what you deserve. Ouch! Perhaps a foundation to provide south facing doorways in his honor? sigh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] reducing levels of stress
On Dec 24, 2005, at 1:30 PM, gerbal88 wrote:According to MMY, the root cause of natural disasters is stress, as you know. Reducing the levels of stress in the "atmosphere" will therefore reduce the number and severity of natural disasters. Seems as good an explanation as any for such a notion. Not sure who wrote the above. Something to do with TM preventing tsunamis??? What a piece of twerpitis! I believe our dear Judy might've. Sure sounds like her! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 12:39 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 11:26 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. Prediction: Tom Pall will be asked to take over the TM Movement and in his first offical act as the Leader he makes a deal with the ET's that land on the White House lawn to have Rick Archer removed from planet Earth They'll have to land in my back yard to do that. We've already been to your back yard. Making preparations. - OffWorldBeings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the same individual is perplexing. Yeah, that's what all TBs say when they're trying to convince themselves that they're not one. :-) Sorry. Couldn't resist stating the obvious. Letting it drop now... So the person who claims to be moderate is automatically extremist? Where does that leave YOU, I wonder... Look, it was just a funny line, man. But I *do* believe in its accuracy, because of how I define True Believer. You see, I don't pay any attention whatsoever to what people *claim* to believe. In my opinion, that's just the jive they tell them selves to keep them selves unenlightened, so it's not as if I'm going to believe any of it. I fall back on a maxim from a teacher I spent some time with: Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO! In other words, if they *claim* to be moderates or skeptics or whatever the flavor of I'm not really a TB is that week, one ignores completely what they *say* about what they are and just watch how they act. If in *most* cases these people 1) react in a seemingly knee-jerk fashion almost every time the dogma of the TMO is challenged, 2) act in a fashion *supportive* to the TM dogma every time they react in a knee-jerk fashion, and 3) almost *never* admit the possibility that they might be wrong about the TM movement's true intentions or the inherent value of its teachings, then Yes! I'm gonna tend to class such a person as a TB. Yeah, Barry, but by those criteria, I'm distinctly *not* a TB. I don't comment on most of the challenges to the dogma of the TMO. I *agree* with many of them. When I do react negatively, I'm more often reacting to the cynicism or inaccuracy or illogic or extremism of the challenge. (Fact is, there are far too many such challenges here for even the devoutest TB to react to more than a small percentage.) The one thing I *am* a TB about is, as I've said many times, MMY's teaching on the nature and mechanics of consciousness and the value of his techniques for personal development. But that doesn't extend to the Maharishi Effect or to the possibility of levitation and other paranormal feats, or the purported value of proper Vastu or Ghandarva-Veda or Jyotish or yagyas. As I told Sal (to her apparent profound confusion), I don't believe in any of that stuff--but I don't rule it out, either. Unlike Sal, I don't pretend to know for certain what is and isn't possible. I rank things like that on a probability scale. The further fallacy in your (and Sal's, and Vaj's) thinking is the notion that anyone who attempts to articulate a particular teaching of MMY's does so *only because they believe in it*. I'll never forget when the Pet Rock (as we fondly called a particularly egregiously obnoxious former- TMer-turned-fundie-Christian who used to hang out on alt.m.t) and I were arguing about whether infant baptism was Scriptural. Fundies don't believe it is, but most other flavors of Christians do. I was making the case for it because he had announced, as if it were established fact, that Christian belief was that one had to be an adult to accept Christ. This confused him mightily, because he was under the (entirely correct) impression that I was not a believer in Christian doctrine generally. He absolutely *could* not understand why I'd be making the case for infant baptism if I didn't believe in it. It was hilarious. And here Barry makes the identical mistake. Barry's whole rant here is a perfect example of the kind of TNB reaction I was talking about, the desperate need to label anyone who is anything but 100 percent negative about MMY and the TMO as a TB, so their opinions can be dismissed without consideration. For some reason, they find moderate viewpoints threatening. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/24/05 3:13 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They'll have to land in my back yard to do that. We've already been to your back yard. Making preparations. Ah, planting little transmitters, no doubt. Well, bring 'em on! I'd love a ride in one of them things. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] for Akasha
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[FairfieldLife] ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS THEIR FRONT TEETH
ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS THEIR FRONT TEETH GuruRasa comments concerning http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GuruRatings Who is this Sarlo who comments on Gurus? Better let Micky Mouse explain the Theory of Relativity. And who lingers and lurks on said group? Dyed in the wool goatherds and raging transvestite creeps. To wit, BAD Goat (Agent 86) 'iamgorakh' and jodyrrr. (Jody good name for switch hitter. Can't tell - male or female?) These femme fatales and animals disguised as men preside over Sarlo's 'Guru Ratings.' They are the loudest, fowlest hens in the henyard. And no one is stopping them, least of all Sarlo. Robert Meiser is putting a stone in their shoes, but that's about it. No one else dares get near these guys for fear of odor and excrement. These prima donnas of diatribe are off on a big kick. First they made short work of 'Swami G' who was too much of a lady to stoop to their level. Ditto Amma, the Hugging Saint. They hand out vice between their lips to absent gurus and holy souls. They cannot face their opponents on open ground. They cannot face facts, or their own dire selves. There are many things they cannot face nor want you to know, as these porkies have no identity. Their yahoo ID has no picture, (except an animal, not a bad idea to improve on the looks) and no info whatsoever, except, (for gorakh): 'I follow the rules as much as I want to, then I say, 'Down with the rules!' His best number? '666!' He reminds me of this. I was invited, sight unseen, to a group, which later noticed had demonic roots. Name - 'Order of Chaos.' As soon as I posted, the owner asked, 'Do you get laid by your devotees a lot?' I was just about to unsubscribe when something made me check the photo section. Going through it, I noticed a 'this is me' shot. Understand, in my mind, this was an evil, demonic, sinister group. The names of the people indicated 'demon, darkness and Lucifer.' Would make one shudder, just feel your hair going up. Then I saw the 'this is me' shot. A little pudgy boy of about 14, with all colors hair, looking babyish and harmless. This cherub who obviously has not grown up nor become a man, is hiding (so commonly seen) behind a gruff exterior and persona of the demonic! It is the injured, perhaps anonymous neglected child, who seeks so hard to be heard and noticed. And he can't find any other way than this. That is how one pictures Gorakh. Short, chubby, no one wants him. Neglected, passed over, unloved and hates his own guts. Now the world owes him an answer and he is going to take it out on all of us. Case closed. Lucky (or unlucky) for him somehow the owners of some groups allow him to spew spittle and throw acid rain on the just. Now enter Mr. jody, frilly dress and rocks in hand. Who does he want to stone? Women! Why? Because he wants to be one. Bruce Morgen, self proclaimed macho man, tries to appease him glee club style. I can see it now. Mr. Morgan tells jody to bend over. jody complies, crying, 'Oh, Brucie, Brucie, not so hard, I won't have enough strength to scream at GuruRasa'! as he's getting buggered he sputters, 'Oh that bitch! Such big tits! So voluptuous and womanly! And all I have is a big A---hole the size of a truck.how can I compete with her? Can'tbetter destroy her with this piehole of mine' Brucie tells him to shut up and slaps him around a couple times. Jody stands up (like a man, sort of) cleans up and gets ready to attack Rasa again. It's gotta' be a woman. First, Swami G. Call her everything - pull out the arsenal. (She's a woman, isn't she? Fair game!) Then saintly Amma! Now Rasa. This is the only fun the man has in life - excrete onto gurus. The Gayer they come, the lower they Crawl! nothing better to do - except of course, Brucie. (Oh, you Brute!) Rasa grows weary of reading their posts. Like watching delinquent kids to see whose got the dirtiest mouth, who can fart loudest and come first in the scout circle jerk. Jody, Gorakh and Brucie so far are way up front. But who cares? Are they making an impact? Are they curing cancer, saving souls? What is their stock in trade except buggering and being buggered? They are insult comedians. Not much between the ears, but oh, what fowl language the hens use. At first, it's funny. Gurus stay a day or two, maybe some weeks, and they leave. These guys are here forever! They are lost in a time warp, stuck, in a place called, 'What the ashram did to me!' Reminds me of the guys who never got over toilet training, forever seeking a mistress to continue the job. They mean to get approved that their excrement is important! 'Mommy, see my piss and shit coming out! Am I a good boy?!' Pretty soon everyone tires of them and moves on. These are losers. Those who have work to do go back to it, the losers keep whining and fighting their own shadows. And the shadows have names - the latest guru who has tread into their waters. You
[FairfieldLife] GURURASA ADVISE TO SINNER.....
GURURASA ADVISE TO SINNER. Story: This man, 'gorakh' is a bitter, angry person who spends most of his spare time attacking gurus on a few groups. The interchange with him and a guru below happened starting October 13, 2005, message 3, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Swami-G_speaks/ After his short friendship with said guru ended, he started attacking her and all other gurus viciously once again. Rasa took the exchange and bestowed her own answers. For Rasa's Christian/Yoga perspective please see her formidable site: http://www.womanthouartgod.com/theology.php ADMITS HIS FAULTS, BUT ALAS, FALLS BACK INTO PATTERNS OF LAZINESS, ANGER AND IMPATIENCE AND ALL IS LOST AGAIN (BAD GOAT nickname, has changed nickname to Agent 86 since Rasa submitted this repartee) B Goat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * I did specifically pray not to have the light show experiences that were so common, but instead for transformation, that is for the ego to be dissolved into the IS as you so nicely put it. Sadly I got neither. (Rasa's answers to B Goat preceeded by *** asterisks - Gorakh words, preceeded by *) *** BAD GOAT, HOW CAN YOU EXPECT GOD TO HEAR YOU AND GIVE YOU ANYTHING WHEN YOU ARE SO FILLED WITH EGO AND EVIL?HOW CAN GOD ENTER SUCH FILTH? * I understand that. There are all sorts of phenomena. I didnt want to get distracted by them. *** BETTER YOU GET DISTRACTED BY PHENOMENA FROM GOD THAN BY THE PHENOMENA OF YOUR FLESH OR OF THIS WORLD. * I wanted spiritual growth. *** TO HAVE SPIRITUAL GROWTH YOU WOULD NEED A WHOLE LOT OF CLEANSING FIRST, B GOAT. * But what happened in SY was that my ego sense became more entrenched, not less. And I saw this happening with the people all around me. *** NO, IT WAS YOU. NOT THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU. YOU PROJECTED. IF YOU WOULD JUST WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN SINS YOU COULD CONQUER THEM, BUT YOU WORRY ABOUT THE SINS OF OTHERS. * There were exceptions but not many. * So many people would arrive and they would be good people with good intentions and genuine spiritual aspirations. Over a period of years, they would become progressively more mean spirited, selfish, manipulative etc. *** AGAIN, WHY ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THEIR SINS AND NOT YOUR OWN? THE FAULTS OF OTHERS CAN BE A GOOD CHISEL TO CHIP AWAY AT YOUR OWN BAD TRAITS, IF YOU WOULD JUST HUMBLE YOURSELF AND LET IT HAPPEN - INSTEAD OF STRIKING OUT OR NOTING ALL THEIR FAULTS. * This wasn't a passing phase, it was a one way trip as long as they stayed in the ashram. You could almost tell how long someone had been in the ashrams by how much of an arsehole they were. I can honestly say that living in the ashram brought out the worst in me. *** THE PROBLEM WAS NOT THE ASHRAM, IT WAS YOU. YOU WERE BAD TO BEGIN WITH AND THERE WAS NO MAGIC POTION TO CURE YOU . WHAT YOU NEEDED WAS HARSH DISCIPLINE THE WAY A SARGEANT BREAKS RECRUITS. YOUR EGO NEVER GOT BROKEN. IT IS ONE OF THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE ANY SPIRITUAL HEADWAY WITH AN EGO SUCH AS YOURS. * That would have been alright if it was some kind of cleansing. But it wasn't. I was in the ashram for six years and it probably took as long afterwards for the negative effects to wear off. *** YOU DID NOT GET CLEANSED BECAUSE YOU RESISTED CLEANSING. YOU HAVE TO BE HUMBLE TO GET CLEANSED. * I dont know if I have ever had any kind of Kundalini awakening. I do know God has always been a focus of my life, from birth and before. do consider myself to be a sincere seeker, albeit a lazy one in some ways. *** AT LEAST YOU ARE ADMITTING TO ONE OF YOUR FAULTS. THAT IS A BEGINNING. * The laziness is huge. I have to overcome the laziness before I can do anything about it :-) What is surprising to me is that this lazy streak a mile wide could remain hidden from me till recently. Its very sneaky. *** BUT I AM SURE OTHERS AROUND YOU COULD SEE IT. NOW LOOK AT YOURSELF. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR TIME? YOU ARE BUSY SEEKING OUT PEOPLE TO ATTACK AND RIDICULE, DOING RESEARCH FOR HARM, LOOKING FOR BAD POSTS YO CAN MAKE. YOU ARE BUSY DOING THE DEVIL'S WORK. BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR YOUR SOUL? ARE YOU PRAYING, MEDITATING, CHANTING, READING SPIRITUAL MATTER? NO POSTING DIRT ON GROUPS. THIS IS SLOTH, A GREAT SIN. WORKING FOR THE DEVIL, NEGLECTING THE GOOD OF YOUR SOUL. * Anger and impatience are also issues. I could go on. *** YOU HAVE UNBRIDLED ANGER, BORDERLINE RAGE. YOU NEED TO STOP ALL THIS NEGATIVE ACTIVITY ON GROUPS - LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO HURT - AND LOOK INTO YOURSELF. WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THIS NEGATIVITY? WHY DO YOU HATE YOURSELF SO MUCH? YOUR HATE TOWARD OTHERS PROVES YOU REALLY HATE YOURSELF AND HAVE LOW SELF ESTEEM! * I have even started meditating again on (rare) occasions. I think I have a good intellectual grasp of the samadhi states but then again at times I feel like I'm not even a beginner on the path. *** YOU NEVER WENT INTO THE FIRST STAGES OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A SADHAKA.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan $ returned, : Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 11:26 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: Kaplan will be involved in TM again within 10 years. Prediction: UFO's will land on the White House lawn by 2012. And Dr Pete and Tom P. will make a baby! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: reducing levels of stress
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to MMY, the root cause of natural disasters is stress, as you know. Reducing the levels of stress in the atmosphere will therefore reduce the number and severity of natural disasters. Seems as good an explanation as any for such a notion. Not sure who wrote the above. Something to do with TM preventing tsunamis??? What a piece of twerpitis! I wrote it. You twerpitis, Judy! Always utyrejhvci your kajsdqweyus! Qeirtdjofg to the nth degree. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS THEIR FRONT TEETH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rasa Von Werder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS THEIR FRONT TEETH GuruRasa comments concerning http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GuruRatings Who is this Sarlo who comments on Gurus? Who cares? Why bring the toxicity of another Yahoo group over here? Doesn't FFL generate enough toxicity of its own? Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS THEIR FRONT TEETH
on 12/24/05 4:52 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rasa Von Werder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS THEIR FRONT TEETH GuruRasa comments concerning http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GuruRatings Who is this Sarlo who comments on Gurus? Who cares? Why bring the toxicity of another Yahoo group over here? Doesn't FFL generate enough toxicity of its own? I suppose we should unsubscribe this Rasa lady. She posts here occasionally but I think she's spamming multiple groups. I doubt she sticks around to see if there are any responses to her posts. If she doesn't respond to this one by Monday I'll unsubscribe her. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
In a message dated 12/24/05 11:24:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they were making any money (not even a killing) you people would complain that they are capitalist pigs, and if they loose money you people will say they are a bunch of incompetent hippies. It is your nature to say these things no matter what. I predict, that if it is found that they did make a profit, then people here will harp on about how the movement is all about making money.OffWorld. An investment is an investment! You are supposed to make as much money as you can from an investment. I can't see anybody objecting to that unless they are just jealous of somebody creating wealth. My only objection to the TMO creating wealth schemes has been many are at the expense of the purpose of the organization in the first place. To get people practicing TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
In a message dated 12/24/05 11:27:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, it turns out the $122 million figure is for therenovation by the new owners. The sale price of thebuilding was much less, something like $12 million,slightly above the building's official currentvaluation.This is according to a correction just posted by Ron onTMNews; he'll probably get around to posting it here aswell. Yes Judy , I saw that before I posted. My question is how much did the original investment cost the movement and how much did they have to put into keeping the property all those years and how much did they sell it for? Did they actually make a profit? Was it worth it? No doubt when the TMO lets it be known they have sold property, they want all TB's to believe Laxmi has blessed the TMO with a great windfall. All I can say is that the property in Houston, a high rise Days Inn, they bought in the 80's recently sold. I also know it was costing them a lot of money to hold on to an eyesore that was a burden for TMO people to have to be responsible for. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside the TMO mentioning the word generosity or compassion in regards to M. I feel that on the whole, Maharishi was generous and compassionate with me. I felt great devotion for him, served him tirelessly, and he rewarded that service on many occasions. For instance, he let my mother join me on International Staff for 9 months, even though she had just been released from a mental hospital and wasn't the kind of person whom he could expect to make a significant contribution there. Being there with him changed her life profoundly, and I'll always be grateful to him for that, as well as for the benefits I derived from his teachings. This doesn't negate the screwy stuff he has done (literally and figuratively), but I believe that black and white thinking never mirrors reality, and it's good to appreciate the good people have done. Well while that's nice to hear again, as I pointed out before unless you either give your life or give your money, my feeling is this is unlikely to happen for others. I guess you could say if time is money then there's really little difference. I'm glad you had that experience, but a way of seeing someone as compassionate might be to those who can give the least rather than those who give their all, all their time or alot of their money. I would expect these people to be rewarded, wouldn't you? I know in my own life I pray for those who bow to the rich and the slavish, but turn their noses up at the unfortunate or the downtrodden. I hope they can evolve and I take up whatever slack I can. Irregardless my request for a recent independent remark in the public sphere that mentions M. as compassionate or charitable seems to have drawn a blank. I would have though Bob B. would've been able to find something. As you might recall, immediately after 9/11, Mahesh took out ads in 3 major newspapers basically threatening more of the same unless the US government gave him a billion $ to save us all. I have the PDF in case anyone really needs proof that he's lost his marbles. Quietly HH the Dalai Lama sent a cheque for $30,000 if I remember correctly. No fanfare, no attention sought and I don't think it got public until nearly a year later. For the Tibetan Government in Exile, $30,000 is a considerable sum. Someone, as I mentioned in another post, wrote that the basics of TM was about release of stress. By that logic, the tsunami last Boxing Day was stress release ... but on that basis I dare the TMO to tell us something good is happening! Oh, dear planet, you're just unstressing, something good is happening. Obviously, anticipating some numskull, it was better to release it then rather than wait until it was twice as bad. But that's stupid. If Mahesh is all he makes himself out to be (courtesy of the TBTMO), then he knew it was coming and, had he been compassionate, generous, intelligent, considerate, he would have said so and told people to be up in the mountains that day. Mahesh is an opportunistic narcissist. People follow him because they truly believe they are on the right path, because they truly believe. Even drug addicts who rest on the TBTMO laurals that they have experience to prove it's good know better. So, I think we can genuinely say that Mahesh has many accomplishments: nobody in the 20th Century singlehandedly ripped off more people, got more people to believe empty promises or built an empire on his own failure. Way to go Mahesh. I hope the special place you get in hell will be exactly what you deserve. Reminds me of that story where a person unceasingly criticized a guru until the criticizer gained his enlightenment. Even negative devotion is devotion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snippage here] So, I think we can genuinely say that Mahesh has many accomplishments: nobody in the 20th Century singlehandedly ripped off more people, got more people to believe empty promises or built an empire on his own failure. Way to go Mahesh. I hope the special place you get in hell will be exactly what you deserve. Ouch! Perhaps a foundation to provide south facing doorways in his honor? sigh sorry, that was a little extreme. Maybe he will come back perpetually a course participant at Mallorca, but certainly with a south facing doorway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
Your powers of analysis would be better spent focussed on your throbbing hard-on for Judy and the projections you make on her in your knee-jerk reactions to her posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the same individual is perplexing. Yeah, that's what all TBs say when they're trying to convince themselves that they're not one. :-) Sorry. Couldn't resist stating the obvious. Letting it drop now... So the person who claims to be moderate is automatically extremist? Where does that leave YOU, I wonder... Look, it was just a funny line, man. But I *do* believe in its accuracy, because of how I define True Believer. You see, I don't pay any attention whatsoever to what people *claim* to believe. In my opinion, that's just the jive they tell them selves to keep them selves unenlightened, so it's not as if I'm going to believe any of it. I fall back on a maxim from a teacher I spent some time with: Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO! In other words, if they *claim* to be moderates or skeptics or whatever the flavor of I'm not really a TB is that week, one ignores completely what they *say* about what they are and just watch how they act. If in *most* cases these people 1) react in a seemingly knee-jerk fashion almost every time the dogma of the TMO is challenged, 2) act in a fashion *supportive* to the TM dogma every time they react in a knee-jerk fashion, and 3) almost *never* admit the possibility that they might be wrong about the TM movement's true intentions or the inherent value of its teachings, then Yes! I'm gonna tend to class such a person as a TB. Just to reiterate before dropping it, I don't care what a person says about what they claim to believe. I care only about how they ACT, on a regular basis. If those actions tend to make it seem as if the claim of objectivity of moderation or skepticism is self-delusion, then there you jolly well are, aren't you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Initiation-3 day forms / Guru Dev picture / Steps
Hello, I may have the chance to initiate some folks soon and will do so as an independent teacher. Does anyone out there have the following: 1) blank copies of the Interview form, and the forms for each of the days of checking after intitiation? 2) the initiation picture of Guru Dev. In the coures of moving a lot my picture used for initiations got wrecked. Anyone have one they never use and have it packed away? Maybe your partner/spouse had one and between you they are both packed away. I would really like to use the official picture that MMY wants used for initiations. 3) I would really like to get with someone (by phone) to go over the steps of Initiation-the things we say once the person has closed their eyes for their first little meditation after the puja. Ideally someone who was at the first Mallorca TTC (Jan-June, 1971) but that is not vital. If you would be willing to go over them with me, I will call you so there is no expense to you involved. Kenny Hassman kennhassman AT yahoo DOT com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
