[FairfieldLife] Sh*cks!

2006-04-06 Thread cardemaister

Shocks by gazbo (4.00 / 2) #1 Wed May 25, 2005 at 05:47:33 AM EST 
I get static all the time - must be my shoes.  But most seriously, I 
used to work at a laser toner factory - taking enormous sacks of 
toner and dispensing it into refill bottles.
This stuff got fucking everywhere.  One of the machine types involved 
filling a massive barrel with toner, fitting the huge dispensing 
nozzle, then pressing a button that made the machine hoist it while 
inverting it, ready to be locked in position.

The genius who was working on one of those machines did all of the 
above steps, except for putting the dispensing nozzle on.  A 100Kg 
barrel of toner emptied on the floor.  That is irrelevant to the 
story, but funny.

Anyway.  At the end of each day, all of this toner needed vacuuming 
up.  Imagine the PD you can get by vacuuming up kilos of laser toner -
 I would get sparks coming off me that were up to 12 long.  It was 
fun to start, but after a while you kinda start to fear it.  In fact, 
to this day, I really hate the anticipation of static shocks.

Tip: if you do need to discharge a huge static buildup, get someone 
to chuck you (literally) a length of metal.  Maybe your keys would 
work, thinking about it.  Discharge through the metal and you'll not 
feel a thing, presumably because the discharge from your hand is no 
longer concentrated on a single point.

When I was a kid (8?) I was changing a lightbulb in an angle-poise 
lamp.  I saw the two contacts, and scientific curiosity got the 
better of me; I turned it on, and stuck my fingers on the contacts.  
I remember being thrown backwards, and it feeling like being punched 
in the arm repeatedly (presumably 50 times per second).  Some would 
claim that explains a lot.

I did my best to kill myself and 2 other people when I worked as a 
cleaner at Sainsbury's.  I was using the big single-brush floor 
scrubber - now these things are kinda cool, because they are 
uncontrollable monsters to even the biggest men, yet after practice 
you can exhibit precision control with a thumb and little finger 
only.  This obviously led the way to great show-off skills.

One of the games I played was to stand on the machine and turn it on, 
thus creating an impromptue roundabout.  I did this once when the 
entire floor was drenched in water (when else would you use such a 
machine?) and the cable got caught underneath and severed.  Did I 
mention this plugged into the 440v outlet?

Thank God for fuses - I'd have hated that one to go on my epitath and 
those of the people in the room with me.

I think that's enough.  My other electrocution stories aren't as good.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
   Moi, intentionally vague?  Shirley, you jest.
  
  +++ Shirley is a jester ?
 
 Whassamatta, you don't think women have a sensayooma?


Is that what they're calling it these days?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
  wrote:
 
  Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it 
   certainly 
  implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the 
  guidelines 
set 
 up 
  by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements 
 of 
  recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.
 
 ...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I 
 would
 say.
 

Perhaps, but its doubtful that that would stand up in a court 
  case 
concerning trademarks.
   
   If MMY is satisfied, why would there *be* a court case?
  
  
  Because the TMO says there is to be one?
 
 Against MMY's wishes?  What are you talking about?
 

MMY said he was satisfied that the people were getting something from 
what they learned. That doesn't mean he's satisfied that the 
trademark is being infringed.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-06 Thread cardemaister
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 willytex@ wrote:
 
  bob_brigante wrote:
Doesn't Bal mean boy - Bal Brahmachari means life 
celibate, 
or so I understood.
   
  You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit
  Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal' is an interjection imitating the
  sound of a falling body, as in 'falling at the feet of the 
master'.
  Many Sanskrit terms are derived from common household sounds. For
  example, the bija mantra 'phat', heard at every puja, is derived 
from
  the crack-sound made by a two-stroked wheeled vehicle, the motor
  rickshaw, found all over downtown Delhi.

LÅL!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Win XP now runs on Mac natively

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/5/06 11:37 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 4/5/06 9:09 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  sparaig wrote:
  Which A/B switches toggle keyboards.
  
  A Belkin, 2-Port KVM Switch, available at CompUSA.
  
  http://tinyurl.com/o5qyk
  
  I have one called LinXcel. Toggles my monitor and my keyboard.
 
 And my mouse. In fact, with Mac OSX, the right click button on the 
mouse
 does stuff, as on a PC.


It did with most versions of Classic MacOS also. You just had to 
have a driver installed. Rememberthat the Mac has always had special 
keys that can be held down while you click the mouse. For beginners, 
Apple testing found it was easier to remember to hold down a key with 
your left hand and click with your right rather than remember which 
button to press. The current MacOS mouse AKA Mighty Mouse (tm) is a 
multi-button mouse that by default feels and acts like a single 
button mouse. You activate the extra buttons in a control panel.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 the four classes
  
 economy talk, 21.3.06 
  
 MAHARISHI:  ...Jyotish is the field of determining who will do 
 what.  And today this slogan `all men are equal` - all are equal 
 because everyone is cosmic. But in that sense the society is not 
 structured. Society is structured in `same education to all`. 
  
 Vedic structure, the constitution of the universe, right in the 
 beginning  the first syllable of the constitution it says, four 
 classes I am submitting, creating - four classes.
  
 Four classes well defined: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudras. 
 Wherever a man is the birthchart, Jyotish, will determine whether 
he 
 belongs to number one, number two, number three, number four. 
  
 It is the same thing determining what is the seed, whether it is a 
 mango seed or guava seed or orange seed. What seed is it, that is 
 the seed, put it to that soil and it will grow.
  
 So education should be on broad terms. Four kinds of education in 
 every country.
  
 It is for the government to see that those custodians of pure 
 knowledge (Brahmin), those who are born that way, they are 
educated 
 that way. 
 The others take recourse to knowledge and action, both together 
 being in the junction point, like the Kshatriyas. 
 Pure knowledge one side and knowledge mixed with action the other 
 side, Kshatriyas. 
 And action and action and action - Vaishyas, trades people, do the 
 trade, fill the wealth in the society. 
 And the others, creative people. Create, create the whole 
 engineering. The whole field of construction on the gross level, 
the 
 Shudras. 
  
 So Brahmin, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras these are the four 
big 
 broad classification of profession. And that is on the basis of 
who 
 is born for what. The birthpoint is the soul point of determining. 
  
 A child is born to do what - whether he is born to be an 
 administrator, born to be an engineer, born to be the custodian of 
 the constitution of the universe. That means born to be the 
 custodian of pure knowledge or born to be knowledge and action 
 together  or born to be action or born to be a engineer. Engineer 
 creates. There is nothing and now he creates a mile of road in the 
 sky - this is engineering. 
  
 Where is the knowledge -  the knowledge is the same  where one 
 section of society has a complete knowledge, generation after 
 generation - a specialist in that economy: do everything without 
 doing anything. The other one takes subrecourse to action, the 
other 
 plunges into action, the other creates everything out of nothing - 
 Shudras.
  
 This is insight into the field of economy from the level of 
 responsibility of a government and on the level of education..








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
An elitist superstition codified
is no less of an elitist superstition.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 the four classes
  
 economy talk, 21.3.06 
  
 MAHARISHI:  ...Jyotish is the field of determining who will do 
 what.  And today this slogan `all men are equal` - all are equal 
 because everyone is cosmic. But in that sense the society is not 
 structured. Society is structured in `same education to all`. 
  
 Vedic structure, the constitution of the universe, right in the 
 beginning  the first syllable of the constitution it says, four 
 classes I am submitting, creating - four classes.
  
 Four classes well defined: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudras. 
 Wherever a man is the birthchart, Jyotish, will determine whether 
he 
 belongs to number one, number two, number three, number four. 
  
 It is the same thing determining what is the seed, whether it is a 
 mango seed or guava seed or orange seed. What seed is it, that is 
 the seed, put it to that soil and it will grow.
  
 So education should be on broad terms. Four kinds of education in 
 every country.
  
 It is for the government to see that those custodians of pure 
 knowledge (Brahmin), those who are born that way, they are 
educated 
 that way. 
 The others take recourse to knowledge and action, both together 
 being in the junction point, like the Kshatriyas. 
 Pure knowledge one side and knowledge mixed with action the other 
 side, Kshatriyas. 
 And action and action and action - Vaishyas, trades people, do the 
 trade, fill the wealth in the society. 
 And the others, creative people. Create, create the whole 
 engineering. The whole field of construction on the gross level, 
the 
 Shudras. 
  
 So Brahmin, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras these are the four 
big 
 broad classification of profession. And that is on the basis of 
who 
 is born for what. The birthpoint is the soul point of determining. 
  
 A child is born to do what - whether he is born to be an 
 administrator, born to be an engineer, born to be the custodian of 
 the constitution of the universe. That means born to be the 
 custodian of pure knowledge or born to be knowledge and action 
 together  or born to be action or born to be a engineer. Engineer 
 creates. There is nothing and now he creates a mile of road in the 
 sky - this is engineering. 
  
 Where is the knowledge -  the knowledge is the same  where one 
 section of society has a complete knowledge, generation after 
 generation - a specialist in that economy: do everything without 
 doing anything. The other one takes subrecourse to action, the 
other 
 plunges into action, the other creates everything out of nothing - 
 Shudras.
  
 This is insight into the field of economy from the level of 
 responsibility of a government and on the level of education..








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 An elitist superstition codified
 is no less of an elitist superstition.

Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood based on the 
Jyotish chart...

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  the four classes
   
  economy talk, 21.3.06 
   
  MAHARISHI:  ...Jyotish is the field of determining who will do 
  what.  And today this slogan `all men are equal` - all are equal 
  because everyone is cosmic. But in that sense the society is not 
  structured. Society is structured in `same education to all`. 
   
  Vedic structure, the constitution of the universe, right in the 
  beginning  the first syllable of the constitution it says, four 
  classes I am submitting, creating - four classes.
   
  Four classes well defined: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudras. 
  Wherever a man is the birthchart, Jyotish, will determine whether 
 he 
  belongs to number one, number two, number three, number four. 
   
  It is the same thing determining what is the seed, whether it is 
a 
  mango seed or guava seed or orange seed. What seed is it, that is 
  the seed, put it to that soil and it will grow.
   
  So education should be on broad terms. Four kinds of education in 
  every country.
   
  It is for the government to see that those custodians of pure 
  knowledge (Brahmin), those who are born that way, they are 
 educated 
  that way. 
  The others take recourse to knowledge and action, both together 
  being in the junction point, like the Kshatriyas. 
  Pure knowledge one side and knowledge mixed with action the other 
  side, Kshatriyas. 
  And action and action and action - Vaishyas, trades people, do 
the 
  trade, fill the wealth in the society. 
  And the others, creative people. Create, create the whole 
  engineering. The whole field of construction on the gross level, 
 the 
  Shudras. 
   
  So Brahmin, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras these are the four 
 big 
  broad classification of profession. And that is on the basis of 
 who 
  is born for what. The birthpoint is the soul point of 
determining. 
   
  A child is born to do what - whether he is born to be an 
  administrator, born to be an engineer, born to be the custodian 
of 
  the constitution of the universe. That means born to be the 
  custodian of pure knowledge or born to be knowledge and action 
  together  or born to be action or born to be a engineer. Engineer 
  creates. There is nothing and now he creates a mile of road in 
the 
  sky - this is engineering. 
   
  Where is the knowledge -  the knowledge is the same  where one 
  section of society has a complete knowledge, generation after 
  generation - a specialist in that economy: do everything without 
  doing anything. The other one takes subrecourse to action, the 
 other 
  plunges into action, the other creates everything out of nothing -
 
  Shudras.
   
  This is insight into the field of economy from the level of 
  responsibility of a government and on the level of education..
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  An elitist superstition codified
  is no less of an elitist superstition.
 
 Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
 based on the Jyotish chart...

I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 

Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
astrologer willing to say that the person is a
Brahman based on his chart.

But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on 
earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi 
could have become Shankaracharya, other than a 
few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions 
because the fantasy makes them feel more important?

To me the most fascinating thing is that the people
who do this -- the ones who try to construct some 
fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or 
should have been Shankaracharya -- are probably
considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than 
Shudras because they're not even Indian.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   An elitist superstition codified
   is no less of an elitist superstition.
  
  Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
  based on the Jyotish chart...
 
 I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
 
 Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
 on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
 on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
 claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
 only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
 astrologer willing to say that the person is a
 Brahman based on his chart.

And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until 
his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his chart 
certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was 
recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.


 
 But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on 
 earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi 
 could have become Shankaracharya, other than a 
 few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions 
 because the fantasy makes them feel more important?

Perhaps.

 
 To me the most fascinating thing is that the people
 who do this -- the ones who try to construct some 
 fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or 
 should have been Shankaracharya -- are probably
 considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than 
 Shudras because they're not even Indian.  :-)


Again, perhaps...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   
An elitist superstition codified
is no less of an elitist superstition.
   
   Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
   based on the Jyotish chart...
  
  I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
  
  Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
  on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
  on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
  claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
  only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
  astrologer willing to say that the person is a
  Brahman based on his chart.
 
 And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
 until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
 due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
 that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
 Jyotishi doesn't.

I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
on the same thing.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:

 An elitist superstition codified
 is no less of an elitist superstition.

Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
based on the Jyotish chart...
   
   I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
   
   Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
   on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
   on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
   claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
   only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
   astrologer willing to say that the person is a
   Brahman based on his chart.
  
  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
  until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
  due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
  that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
  Jyotishi doesn't.
 
 I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
 pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
 be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
 ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
 a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
 on the same thing.


Heh. It just jives with what I have heard about why MMY couldn't become 
Shankaracharya. I 
mean, think about it: a birth-chart consists of 3 things: time of birth, place 
of birth and 
name.

Most people think of the time and place as being the most important for such a 
chart, but 
what if it was *name* and place that gave the jyotishi pause?

Caste is based on birth-chart suddenly makes sense, eh?









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by
 attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
 them
 do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
 outside the TMO sandbox.
 
 What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
 Ingegerd

That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are generally
quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with
impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild Geneva.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



 I think, Papua New-Guinea has a similar arrangement with Australia.??peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:58:26 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]  Suzerain 1. A nation that controls another nation in international affairsbut allows it domestic sovereignty. 2. A feudal lord to whom fealty was due.Draw your own conclusions..--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I only wrote, what had happened. There is a subtle differencebetween the two words.  jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:42:30 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing withTerrorism[Shemp]  "Suzerainty" is defined as 'overlordship', very similar in meaning as sovereignty in this context. So this great journalistic coup of Mr. Spock's (aka The Dude) is more red herring than anything else...  Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the   Chinese invasion of
 Tibet.?   There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade   Tibet. So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend China, sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating that he should convey the mesage to China, "India recognises China's Suzerainity over Tibet."   The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the  message. He made a public announcement that, "India recognises China's Sovereignty over Tibet.!"   The next day China marched into Tibet. I don't get it...what's "suzerainity"?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:22 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   An elitist superstition codified
   is no less of an elitist superstition.
 
  Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood
  based on the Jyotish chart...

 I don't think I get your point, if you had one.

 Seems to me that to claim that caste is based
 on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
 on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
 claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
 only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
 astrologer willing to say that the person is a
 Brahman based on his chart.

This style of analysis does exist in Jyotish, but it is primarily for  
determining mental inclinations in a very general way.


 But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on
 earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi
 could have become Shankaracharya, other than a
 few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions
 because the fantasy makes them feel more important?

Or the fantasy that being a Shankaracharya really has any real  
importance anymore. In many ways the Mahamandaleshwaris are much more  
relevant and more practically important.


 To me the most fascinating thing is that the people
 who do this -- the ones who try to construct some
 fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or
 should have been Shankaracharya -- are probably
 considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than
 Shudras because they're not even Indian.  :-)

He was never even close to that post except by *buying* the post.  
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either fooling themselves or simply  
deluded.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:

 And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until
 his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his chart
 certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was
 recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



 People with similar Vibrations attract each other. 'Birds of the same feather flock together.' People who have known each other in previous incarnations also attract each other. If Tm-org is a sand-box, then Tallest building is a Pie in the sky.?? Are Exc. Morris and Exc. Hagelin competent.??Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr
 2006 06:54:20 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to MaharishiMahesh Yogi That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are generally quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild Geneva.on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have them do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc outside the TMO sandbox.  What a peculiar excuse for
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
 
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd

 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are  
 generally
 quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when  
 confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild  
 Geneva.

Well, it *does* explain Brigante (self-referral anyone?), and a few  
others...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj


On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Jason Spock wrote: People with similar Vibrations attract each other.  'Birds of the same feather flock together.'  People who have known each other in previous incarnations also attract each other. If Tm-org is a sand-box, then Tallest building is a Pie in the sky.?? Are Exc. Morris and Exc. Hagelin competent.??Is exchanging your integrity for having access to the world's biggest used mantra salesman competence?(...probably not.)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



   Only a Brahmin can become a Shankaracharya. All the 5 Shankaracharya posts are allowed only for Brahmin-born. My initator told me that Maharishi cannot become Shankaracharya although he deserves the post.Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:31:53 -0400Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes  What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?  On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote: And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj


True. And you have to be established in Brahman and essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's down on several counts.On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Jason Spock wrote:    Only a Brahmin can become a Shankaracharya.  All the 5 Shankaracharya posts are allowed only for Brahmin-born. My initator told me that Maharishi cannot become Shankaracharya although he deserves the post.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



 I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well. Looks like a Genuine guy.  Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes   True. And you have to be established in Brahman and essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be a master of absolute andrelativejnana or no light saber...so he's down on several counts.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj


On Apr 6, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jason Spock wrote:    I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  Looks like a Genuine guy.Unfortunately his master went over to the dark side a long time ago, so he can only have one of the red ones.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



   Well, once in my dream he gave me a glass of white milk.!! There is something about Dr.Naderthat eludes explanation.! I was thinking of reviving Buddhism in india on a large scale. I felt that it is the only solution to the caste problem which india has perpetually. You know Dr.Ambedkar himself took to Buddhism. Unfortunately it did not take off as he had imagined.Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

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  I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute,
 Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  
 Looks like a Genuine guy.

Well, that's your call, of course, and yours to make.
But I'm just tellin' ya...if the two of us (you and
me) ever get called upon to go up against Darth Vader, 
I'm going to let you be on someone else's squad. If 
I'm goin' into battle, I'd like to think that the
guys beside me are sane.  :-)

  
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   Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
 
 True. And you have to be established in Brahman and 
essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be 
a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's 
down on several counts.

   
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



 In other words, you're saying that I am insane and my judgement about Dr. Nader is wrong. Would you please elaborate on this.? What is it that you don't like in Dr. Nader.??  TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:26:52 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes Well, that's your call, of course, and yours to make. But I'm just tellin' ya...if the two of us (you and me) ever get called upon to go up against Darth Vader,I'm going to let you be on someone else's squad. If I'm goin'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-06 Thread Nelson
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
   Moi, intentionally vague?  Shirley, you jest.
  
  +++ Shirley is a jester ?
 
 Whassamatta, you don't think women have a sensayooma?

+++ Looks like some are good with phrenetic spelling.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   An elitist superstition codified
   is no less of an elitist superstition.
  
  Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
  based on the Jyotish chart...
 
 I don't think I get your point, if you had one.

Seemed pretty clear to me.  If it's based on the
Jyotish chart and he wanted to be elitist about 
it, he could have claimed to be a Brahmin.

 Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
 on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
 on the caste of the birth parents)

That's the traditional way.  MMY appears to be
saying the traditional way is incorrect.

 is a way to
 claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
 only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
 astrologer willing to say that the person is a
 Brahman based on his chart.

Which MMY did not do.

 But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on 
 earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi 
 could have become Shankaracharya, other than a 
 few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions 
 because the fantasy makes them feel more important?

As Lawson just pointed out, MMY explained in that
talk that he *could not* have become Shankaracharya.
If being a TB means you take what MMY says seriously,
no TB would suggest MMY could have become a
Shankaracharya.

Pay attention, Barry.

 To me the most fascinating thing is that the people
 who do this -- the ones who try to construct some 
 fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or 
 should have been Shankaracharya

Seems you're the only one here who's even
suggesting such a thing.




 -- are probably
 considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
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wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:

 An elitist superstition codified
 is no less of an elitist superstition.

Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
based on the Jyotish chart...
   
   I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
   
   Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
   on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
   on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
   claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
   only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
   astrologer willing to say that the person is a
   Brahman based on his chart.
  
  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
  until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
  due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
  that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
  Jyotishi doesn't.
 
 I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
 pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
 be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
 ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
 a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
 on the same thing.

What the holy *crap* are you talking about?

*You're* the guy claiming MMY is elitist.  Nor is
there any suggestion in that talk that he's trying
to justify anything.  You've just constructed a
whole new fantasy.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
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wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:

 An elitist superstition codified
 is no less of an elitist superstition.

Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
based on the Jyotish chart...
   
   I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
   
   Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
   on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
   on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
   claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
   only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
   astrologer willing to say that the person is a
   Brahman based on his chart.
  
  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
  until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
  due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
  that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
  Jyotishi doesn't.
 
 I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
 pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
 be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
 ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
 a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
 on the same thing.

P.S.: Just imagine what Barry would have said if
MMY had attempted to claim he *was* qualified to be
Shankaracharya.  But damn, he didn't, so Barry has
to find a way to dump on him for *not* doing so.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   An elitist superstition codified
   is no less of an elitist superstition.
  
  Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
  based on the Jyotish chart...
 
 I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
 
 Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
 on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
 on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
 claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
 only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
 astrologer willing to say that the person is a
 Brahman based on his chart.

And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
Jyotishi doesn't.
   
   I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
   pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
   be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
   ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
   a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
   on the same thing.
  
  Heh. It just jives with what I have heard about why MMY couldn't
  become Shankaracharya. I 
  mean, think about it: a birth-chart consists of 3 things: time 
  of birth, place of birth and name.
  
  Most people think of the time and place as being the most
  important for such a chart, but 
  what if it was *name* and place that gave the jyotishi pause?
 
 And what if it was the monkeys flying out of 
 Maharishi's butt that 'gave them pause.'  :-)
 
 Face it, dude...this is about YOUR need to feel
 important because you like to think of yourself
 as studying with someone who was qualified to be 
 Shankaracharya. There is no evidence that Maharishi 
 was *ever* considered qualified, or was *ever* con-
 sidered for the position, and there probably never 
 will be.  You'd just like to believe that it's true.

LOL!  Barry *really* loves this fantasy, don't he?

 It's OVER.

Over?  What's over?

 He wasn't qualified then, and he isn't
 qualified now. He went on and did other things with
 his life, some of them good, some of them not so
 good. His place in history (assuming he even has 
 one) will be based on those things that he actually
 did, not on anyone's fantasies about what he could
 have done.
 
 To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
 technique of meditation that was easy to learn
 and that could give people a taste of who they
 really are.  To his discredit, at a certain point
 he stopped promoting this technique, and in fact
 did almost everything in his power to make it
 unavailable except to an elite few.  

 Personally,
 I don't think the positivity of the former actions 
 outweighs the negativity of the latter actions,
 but that's up to the laws of karma to figure out, 
 not me.
 
 All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
 and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
 rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
 to have a pretty rough ride.

Says Barry, not leaving it to the laws of karma to
figure it out, but going right ahead and doing it
himself, to his own deep satisfaction.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is 
by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
  
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd
 
 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are
 generally quite competent.

People can be stressed and still competent.  And a
competent person who is stressed can create a lot
more havoc out in the real world when they're doing
things that *matter*.



 Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sh*cks!

2006-04-06 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Shocks by gazbo (4.00 / 2) #1 Wed May 25, 2005 at 05:47:33 AM EST 
 I get static all the time - must be my shoes.  But most seriously, I 
 used to work at a laser toner factory - taking enormous sacks of 
 toner and dispensing it into refill bottles.
 This stuff got fucking everywhere.  One of the machine types involved 
 filling a massive barrel with toner, fitting the huge dispensing 
 nozzle, then pressing a button that made the machine hoist it while 
 inverting it, ready to be locked in position.
 
 The genius who was working on one of those machines did all of the 
 above steps, except for putting the dispensing nozzle on.  A 100Kg 
 barrel of toner emptied on the floor.  That is irrelevant to the 
 story, but funny.
 
 Anyway.  At the end of each day, all of this toner needed vacuuming 
 up.  Imagine the PD you can get by vacuuming up kilos of laser toner -
  I would get sparks coming off me that were up to 12 long.  It was 
 fun to start, but after a while you kinda start to fear it.  In fact, 
 to this day, I really hate the anticipation of static shocks.
 
 Tip: if you do need to discharge a huge static buildup, get someone 
 to chuck you (literally) a length of metal.  Maybe your keys would 
 work, thinking about it.  Discharge through the metal and you'll not 
 feel a thing, presumably because the discharge from your hand is no 
 longer concentrated on a single point.
 
 When I was a kid (8?) I was changing a lightbulb in an angle-poise 
 lamp.  I saw the two contacts, and scientific curiosity got the 
 better of me; I turned it on, and stuck my fingers on the contacts.  
 I remember being thrown backwards, and it feeling like being punched 
 in the arm repeatedly (presumably 50 times per second).  Some would 
 claim that explains a lot.
 
 I did my best to kill myself and 2 other people when I worked as a 
 cleaner at Sainsbury's.  I was using the big single-brush floor 
 scrubber - now these things are kinda cool, because they are 
 uncontrollable monsters to even the biggest men, yet after practice 
 you can exhibit precision control with a thumb and little finger 
 only.  This obviously led the way to great show-off skills.
 
 One of the games I played was to stand on the machine and turn it on, 
 thus creating an impromptue roundabout.  I did this once when the 
 entire floor was drenched in water (when else would you use such a 
 machine?) and the cable got caught underneath and severed.  Did I 
 mention this plugged into the 440v outlet?
 
 Thank God for fuses - I'd have hated that one to go on my epitath and 
 those of the people in the room with me.
 
 I think that's enough.  My other electrocution stories aren't as good.
 
 
 I have an acquaintence near here that said that standing under
overhead wires bothered him ever since he got hit by lightening
(personaly)- otherwise he seems to be ok.
 I once witnessed an electrician friend with his finger in a light
socket that couldnt tell if the power was on or not when I turned the
switch on.  The electricity is different for different people it looks
like.  N.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What is it that you don't like in Dr. Nader.??

I don't so much dislike Tony Nader as I am underwhelmed
by him.  The level of respect I have for someone who
allows himself to be dressed up in flowing robes and a
crown and be called a king when he knows that he isn't
one is about the same level of respect I have for someone
who -- for *any* reason -- tries to justify the caste 
system.

In short, zero respect.  None.  Nada.  Rien.  Bupkus.

If you like 'King' Tony and can stomach all this crap, 
that's your business, not mine.  He's basically irrele-
vant to my life, and I like things that way.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sh*cks!

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Nelson wrote:

  I once witnessed an electrician friend with his finger in a light
 socket that couldnt tell if the power was on or not when I turned the
 switch on.  

Do you recall whether he was he standing on a wooden ladder or wood floor?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi





on 4/6/06 7:35 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Are Exc. Morris and Exc. Hagelin competent.??

How many of us could do their jobs better? Sure, I see things I might do differently, especially my dealings with people (especially in Bevans case) but I couldnt fill either of their shoes.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 He was never even close to that post except by *buying* the post.  
 Anyone who thinks otherwise is either fooling themselves or simply  
 deluded.
 
 -Vaj the mleccha


So, Vaj, just how long did you work as mail-answerer for a 
Shankaracharya...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until
  his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his chart
  certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was
  recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
 
 What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?


Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest 
quality.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 True. And you have to be established in Brahman and essentially a  
 pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be a master of  
 absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's down on  
 several counts.
 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Jason Spock wrote:
 
 
 Only a Brahmin can become a Shankaracharya.  All the 5  
  Shankaracharya posts are allowed only for Brahmin-born.
 
  My initator told me that Maharishi cannot become 
Shankaracharya  
  although he deserves the post.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 True. And you have to be established in Brahman and essentially a  
 pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be a master of  
 absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's down on  
 several counts.
 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Jason Spock wrote:
 
 
 Only a Brahmin can become a Shankaracharya.  All the 5  
  Shankaracharya posts are allowed only for Brahmin-born.
 
  My initator told me that Maharishi cannot become 
Shankaracharya  
  although he deserves the post.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is 
by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
  
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd
 
 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
generally
 quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.


And they still accomplish quite a bit, even then.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
no_reply@ 
   wrote:
 
  An elitist superstition codified
  is no less of an elitist superstition.
 
 Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
 based on the Jyotish chart...

I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 

Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
astrologer willing to say that the person is a
Brahman based on his chart.
   
   And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
   until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
   due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
   that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
   Jyotishi doesn't.
  
  I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
  pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
  be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
  ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
  a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
  on the same thing.
 
 What the holy *crap* are you talking about?
 
 *You're* the guy claiming MMY is elitist.  Nor is
 there any suggestion in that talk that he's trying
 to justify anything.  You've just constructed a
 whole new fantasy.


*I* said that he justified his non-shankaracharyahood. Barry, who 
obviously didn't read the original post, thought I meant he justified 
it *explicitly*.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
no_reply@ 
   wrote:
 
  An elitist superstition codified
  is no less of an elitist superstition.
 
 Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
 based on the Jyotish chart...

I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 

Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
astrologer willing to say that the person is a
Brahman based on his chart.
   
   And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
   until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
   due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
   that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
   Jyotishi doesn't.
  
  I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
  pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
  be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
  ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
  a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
  on the same thing.
 
 P.S.: Just imagine what Barry would have said if
 MMY had attempted to claim he *was* qualified to be
 Shankaracharya.  But damn, he didn't, so Barry has
 to find a way to dump on him for *not* doing so.


All it really shows is that Barry hadn't read the original post, 
since it was MY interpretation that MMY had just justified his non-
shankaracharyahood based on the rumor I'd heard that once the jyotish 
started to read his chart, he put two and two together and realized 
someone with that family name from that part of India was low-caste 
by Indian law.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
 wrote:
 
  What is it that you don't like in Dr. Nader.??
 
 I don't so much dislike Tony Nader as I am underwhelmed
 by him.  The level of respect I have for someone who
 allows himself to be dressed up in flowing robes and a
 crown and be called a king when he knows that he isn't
 one is about the same level of respect I have for someone
 who -- for *any* reason -- tries to justify the caste 
 system.
 
 In short, zero respect.  None.  Nada.  Rien.  Bupkus.
 
 If you like 'King' Tony and can stomach all this crap, 
 that's your business, not mine.  He's basically irrele-
 vant to my life, and I like things that way.



Of course, King Tony knows that this is how the vast majority of 
humanity will feel, and yet he's willing to play dressup for his guru.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
 and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
 rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
 to have a pretty rough ride.

I'd rather be me too...because I'm me. That being said, the eM-Dude 
has roasted his seeds a long time ago. It is evident in the sound of 
his voice, the sequences of words he uses, and his observations. 
Pretty unmistakable from my pov. eM-Dude is beyond the Bardo.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
  wrote:
  
   What is it that you don't like in Dr. Nader.??
  
  I don't so much dislike Tony Nader as I am underwhelmed
  by him.  The level of respect I have for someone who
  allows himself to be dressed up in flowing robes and a
  crown and be called a king when he knows that he isn't
  one is about the same level of respect I have for someone
  who -- for *any* reason -- tries to justify the caste 
  system.
  
  In short, zero respect.  None.  Nada.  Rien.  Bupkus.
  
  If you like 'King' Tony and can stomach all this crap, 
  that's your business, not mine.  He's basically irrele-
  vant to my life, and I like things that way.
 
 Of course, King Tony knows that this is how the vast majority of 
 humanity will feel, and yet he's willing to play dressup for his 
 guru.

Exactly. If he actually cared about Maharishi, 
he'd tell him the truth.  But he's too much of 
a wuss to do that.  So what is there to respect?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
  and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
  rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
  to have a pretty rough ride.
 
 I'd rather be me too...because I'm me. That being said, the eM-Dude 
 has roasted his seeds a long time ago. It is evident in the sound of 
 his voice, the sequences of words he uses, and his observations. 
 Pretty unmistakable from my pov. eM-Dude is beyond the Bardo.

You are welcome to that opinion, but I do not
share it.  I have never felt -- even when I was
studying with him -- that Maharishi was 
enlightened, and still don't.  I think he's
gonna have a really bumpy ride.








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[FairfieldLife] Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of stories right now:

Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus 
and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today.
Excerpts From the Gospel (pdf)


Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Scientists found evidence of limbs in the making in the 
375-million-year-old fish's forward fins.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
   And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until
   his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his  
 chart
   certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was
   recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
 
  What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
 

 Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest
 quality.

Which girl told you that?



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[FairfieldLife] Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch





Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

While a Beatles reunion concert is sadly out of the question, Beatle 
fans may just get the next best thing: Julian  Sean Lennon, James 
McCartney, Dhani Harrison, and Zak  Jason Starkey are getting together 
for a series of concerts this summer. Calling their outing the 'Here 
Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour, the surprising Beatles siblings 'reunion' 
came about when Julian Lennon visited Friar Park, the home of the 
late George Harrison, at the request of Dhani Harrison and his mother 
Olivia, Harrison's widow. Olivia had come across some George Harrison 
demos which George had intended to send to John Lennon in the 
months prior to Lennon's tragic death. Harrison had recorded the demos 
trying to emulate Lennon's voice, and decided that the songs were better 
suited for John. After Lennon's passing, Harrison shelved the tapes, 
which were later discovered by Olivia. Listening to the songs, 
Olivia also felt the songs needed a Lennon vocal and invited Julian 
Lennon to Friar Park to hear the demos. Julian listened and liked the 
songs, but thought that there were some parts that needed a higher, 
younger vocal register than he could muster. He rang up his half-brother 
Sean, and emailed an mp3 of a couple of the demos to the youngest Lennon. 
Both Lennon's were excited about the songs and arranged to record them 
at Friar Park with Dhani and Sean doing the guitar parts. 
Playbacks of the songs revealed to the young Harrison and Lennon Brothers 
that some distinctive bass and drum parts were needed. On a hunch, they 
rang Sir Paul McCartney to see if he might have interest in the 
project. Sir Paul politely refused, but suggested that perhaps his son, 
James, might be the man they needed to play bass. James McCartney 
arrived at the sessions with Zak  Jason Starkey, the sons of Beatles 
drummer Ringo Starr, who happened to be visiting the McCartney's in 
London. The six Beatles siblings then went to work on the Harrison 
demos, and the finished results so pleased them, they decided that not 
only would they release the songs, they would also record 
additional original material for an album release, to be followed by a brief 
tour of the United States. At a press conference held at Abbey Road 
Studios, the Beatles siblings made an official announcement of the 
tour and album release. Were all very excited by the songs, Dhani 
Harrison beamed, Dad really wanted John Lennon to record these songs, and 
in a way, I feel that we're honoring his wishes. I'm very humbled 
that Olivia and Dhani asked me to listen to George's demos, chimed in 
Julian Lennon, and I'm very happy that Sean is onboard this project too. 
We've been talking for years about doing something together, and 
these songs felt just right for us. And to have Dhani, James, Zak  
Jason involved makes this a very special project as well. 
Our Dad's at first were a little leery about us doing this, said 
James McCartney , refering to McCartney and Starr, but after they 
heard what we put together, they gave us their blessings. It's funny in a 
way, added Zak Starkey, I've played with my Dad, The Who and 
Oasis, but playing with these guys, who are more or less as much 
brothers to me as Jason is, I'm really excited at the prospect of going 
on the road with them. When asked who came up with the idea of calling 
the tour 'Here Comes The Sons 2006', Dhani Harrison raised his 
hand. Guilty!', he laughed, joined by the other five. After all, I 
made the phone call!, which elicited another round of laughter from the 
group. The tour kicks off at Irving Plaza in New York City on April 
1st, 2006. More dates to be announced. Stella McCartney will be 
designing the stage wear for the group. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
  snip All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
   and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
   rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
   to have a pretty rough ride.
  
  I'd rather be me too...because I'm me. That being said, the eM-
Dude 
  has roasted his seeds a long time ago. It is evident in the sound 
of 
  his voice, the sequences of words he uses, and his observations. 
  Pretty unmistakable from my pov. eM-Dude is beyond the Bardo.
 
 You are welcome to that opinion, but I do not
 share it.  I have never felt -- even when I was
 studying with him -- that Maharishi was 
 enlightened, and still don't.  I think he's
 gonna have a really bumpy ride.


Far worse than anyone else you've studied with?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   
   snip All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
to have a pretty rough ride.
   
   I'd rather be me too...because I'm me. That being said, the eM-
   Dude 
   has roasted his seeds a long time ago. It is evident in the 
   sound of 
   his voice, the sequences of words he uses, and his 
   observations. 
   Pretty unmistakable from my pov. eM-Dude is beyond the Bardo.
  
  You are welcome to that opinion, but I do not
  share it.  I have never felt -- even when I was
  studying with him -- that Maharishi was 
  enlightened, and still don't.  I think he's
  gonna have a really bumpy ride.
 
 Far worse than anyone else you've studied with?

Most of the teachers I've worked with will
probably have a pretty smooth Bardo transit
and move on to nice places.  But if what you
are asking is whether I suspect that both 
Maharishi and Rama will have a tough time,
the answer is Absofuckinglutely.  








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  
   On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
  
And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until
his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to 
his  
  chart
certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
name was
recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
  
   What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
  
 
  Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest
  quality.
 
 Which girl told you that?


So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
  
   Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
   highest
   quality.
  
  Which girl told you that?
 
 So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?

Have you no sanity?

Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?

Speaking of which, 3 Department of Homeland Security officials have
now been arrested in the past few months on child sex charges. 
Amazingly one of them used to head up Operation Predator, the Bush
admin's program to catch child molesters.  TAlk about the foxes
guarding the hen house.  No wonder nothing got done after Katrina -
DHS officials were busy at other matters.

http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBKPR9ONJE.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
   
Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
highest
quality.
   
   Which girl told you that?
  
  So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
 
 Have you no sanity?
 
 Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.


I got the joke, fool. 

Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls is 
inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a 
pedaphile.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:

 Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
 highest
 quality.

Which girl told you that?
   
   So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
  
  Have you no sanity?
  
  Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
 
 I got the joke, fool. 
 
 Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls is 
 inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a 
 pedaphile.

You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
the 
  highest
  quality.
 
 Which girl told you that?

So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
   
   Have you no sanity?
   
   Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
  
  I got the joke, fool. 
  
  Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls
  is inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he 
  was a pedaphile.
 
 You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
 you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
 protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
 versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
 to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.

It isn't about protecting MMY and TM.  It's about
pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
trample the facts.

You didn't use the word girl by accident.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ 
wrote:
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
  
   Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
 the 
   highest
   quality.
  
  Which girl told you that?
 
 So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?

Have you no sanity?

Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
   
   I got the joke, fool. 
   
   Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls
   is inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he 
   was a pedaphile.
  
  You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
  you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
  protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
  versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
  to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
 
 It isn't about protecting MMY and TM.  It's about
 pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
 True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
 you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
 trample the facts.
 
 You didn't use the word girl by accident.

I didn't use the word 'girl' period.

You people are so paranoid and crazy you 
can't even keep track of who you think is 
persecuting you.  :-)  :-)  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 anon_astute_ff wrote:
  If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what 
  it says about one who sells this secret knowledge.
 
 If it's secret - how did you find out about it?


If you have read Puranic lore, various Ramayanas, you might begin to understand 
why it is 
considered secret. ...a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. 
Just look at the dribble that so much time is spent being spat over and over 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 sparaig wrote:
  You're being rather vague here Judy. 
 
 Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess.
 
  Was this intentional...?
 
 Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread - just
 another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a
 know-it-all. Anybody can see that Judy hasn't added one thing to the
 current thread. Obviously Judy's not an insider with any new
 information. Go figure.

What makes you think you are any different?





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[FairfieldLife] Live Streaming Video with David Spero

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Live Streaming Video with David Spero





David asked me to post this here:

-- Forwarded Message
From: David Spero [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:25:26 -0700
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@spamarrest.com
Subject: Live Streaming Video with David Spero

Dear Friend,

We are announcing a new video program to interact with David Spero live over the internet. This service is currently set up for PC users (not for MAC users at this time) - with broadband service. 
 
Beginning Sunday, April 9, 2006 (4-5 p.m., Pacific Daylight Time - USA), David will offer one hour of live streaming video broadcast. (Occasionally, David will not offer this Sunday program, so please check the schedule page at http://www.davidspero.org for possible cancellations). 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 1:49 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:

  Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the
  highest
  quality.

 Which girl told you that?
   
So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
  
   Have you no sanity?
  
   Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
 
  I got the joke, fool.
 
  Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls is
  inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a
  pedaphile.

 You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
 you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
 protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice
 versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard
 to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.

He needs to get in touch with the Yonified Field and let go of his  
Inner Bitch.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
snip
   You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
   you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
   protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
   versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
   to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
  
  It isn't about protecting MMY and TM.  It's about
  pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
  True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
  you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
  trample the facts.
  
  You didn't use the word girl by accident.
 
 I didn't use the word 'girl' period.

You're right, it was your fellow-traveler pathological
True Non-Believer, Vaj.  My apologies.  Vaj didn't use
the word girl by accident.

You, on the other hand, attempted to defend Vaj's
deliberately misleading use of the term by 
attacking Lawson for having pointed it out.

The rest of what I said stands as written.  You
TNBs have *far* more of an investment in your
aggressively negative view of MMY than most TBs
have in their positive view--certainly more than
Lawson or I.

And for all your high-minded objections to the TMO's
purported lack of integrity, you don't give a good
goddamn about accuracy, objectivity, or fairness
yourselves.





 
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 can't even keep track of who you think is 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
This is almost as good as Public Radio's April Fool's stunt, a story about 
positive operas.

One Man's Sad Goal? Make Opera Positive

by Alice Furlaud 

All Things Considered, April 1, 2006 · On Cape Cod, an impresario seeks 
rewrites of the 
world's great tragic operas. He wants to give them a happy ending for 
performances by his 
children's opera company. Some might call it a fool's errand.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 2:23 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is almost as good as Public Radio's April Fool's stunt, a story about
 positive operas.

So this was a spoof? Reference?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
  snip All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
   and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
   rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
   to have a pretty rough ride.
  
  I'd rather be me too...because I'm me. That being said, the eM-
Dude 
  has roasted his seeds a long time ago. It is evident in the 
sound of 
  his voice, the sequences of words he uses, and his observations. 
  Pretty unmistakable from my pov. eM-Dude is beyond the Bardo.
 
 You are welcome to that opinion, but I do not
 share it.  I have never felt -- even when I was
 studying with him -- that Maharishi was 
 enlightened, and still don't.  I think he's
 gonna have a really bumpy ride.

That's cool with me too...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
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 The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of stories 
right now:
 
 Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
 
 By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
 
 The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus 
 and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today.
 Excerpts From the Gospel (pdf)
 
 
 Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
 
 By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
 
 Scientists found evidence of limbs in the making in the 
 375-million-year-old fish's forward fins.


Not a good time right now for *anyone's* house of cards...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
 jpgillam@ wrote:
 
  The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of 
  stories right now:
  
  Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
  
  By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
  
  The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus 
  and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today.
  Excerpts From the Gospel (pdf)
  
  
  Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
  
  By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
  
  Scientists found evidence of limbs in the making in the 
  375-million-year-old fish's forward fins.
 
 Not a good time right now for *anyone's* house of cards...

I've read a number of excerpts from the Gospel
of Judas as it's been translated, and it's very
interesting, to say the least. One thing that's
fascinating is that the language used leaves no
doubt whatsoever that Judas was a Gnostic. This
brings up the question of whether his teacher was.







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[FairfieldLife] Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who is teaching
it.

³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques or programs
other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and anyone
who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi teaches
Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered
in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of
any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to
everyoneknowledge of the Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Law,
the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for the dawn of
a new fortune of all mankind.

³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be misled on
this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to Maharishi and
the Vedic Tradition of Masters.²

Maharishi says: Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it with
anything.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote:

 So this was a spoof? Reference?

Rick, I so hoped it was for real that I googled it to 
learn more, and came up dry. And note the April 1st 
reference at the end of the article. The tour kicks off 
at Irving Plaza in New York City on April 1st, 2006.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 2:51 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Rick Archer wrote:
 
 So this was a spoof? Reference?
 
 Rick, I so hoped it was for real that I googled it to
 learn more, and came up dry. And note the April 1st
 reference at the end of the article. The tour kicks off
 at Irving Plaza in New York City on April 1st, 2006.

There's no mention of them on http://www.irvingplaza.com/calendar/




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
 And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until
 his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his
 chart
 certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was
 recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
 
 What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
 
 
 Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest
 quality.
 
 Which girl told you that?

Girl doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles sang Girl
(Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
  
  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until
  his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his
  chart
  certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
name was
  recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
  
  What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
  
  
  Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
  highest
  quality.
  
  Which girl told you that?
 
 Girl doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
 sang Girl
 (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.

You forget who you're trying to talk sense to,
Rick.  The paranoids have decided that they *know*
the nefarious intent of Vaj's use of the word
'girl,' and that's that.  Nothing you or anyone
can say can change what for them has become a 
reality.  This is their minds on cultthink.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Turque]

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



   I suppose, I belong to the Bob Brigante school. King Tony is pure, but everything around him is a Joke. By the way, have you heard of McCartney's number, "Rough Ride to Heaven". Album, 'Flowers in the Dirt". Maybe Maharishi might ride rough to eternity.??  TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:21:38 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes I don't so much
 dislike Tony Nader as I am underwhelmed by him. The level of respect I have for someone who allows himself to be dressed up in flowing robes and a crown and be called a king when he knows that he isn't one is about the same level of respect I have for someone who -- for *any* reason -- tries to justify the caste system. In short, zero respect. None. Nada. Rien. Bupkus. If you like 'King' Tony and can stomach all this crap, that's your business, not mine. He's basically irrele-vant to my life, and I like things that way.
	
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[FairfieldLife] Free Wi-Fi for SF

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
Question: assuming San Franscisco gets set up for this Wi-Fi, would 
that mean that people with high speed internet via their cable 
companies will no longer need it?



---

EarthLink, Google to provide San Francisco Wi-FI
Thu Apr 6, 2006 2:16 PM ET 


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A San Francisco city commission has 
selected a joint bid by Web search leader Google Inc. and Internet 
service provider EarthLink

Inc. to provide free wireless access throughout the city.

The Department of Telecommunications and Information Services said 
late on Wednesday that the city will begin contract negotiations 
with EarthLink and Google to create a widely available wireless 
broadband network across San Francisco.

The EarthLink proposal edged out runner-up MetroFi and four other 
bidders, the city government said in a statement.

EarthLink and Google are working with wireless equipment suppliers 
Motorola Inc. and Tropos Networks to construct a mobile network for 
residents, businesses, municipal government and visitors.

Google has said it plans to offer free wireless access supported by 
advertising. EarthLink will offer services aimed at business users 
and to support local government activities.

EarthLink also has been selected to build a municipal Wi-Fi network 
for the city of Philadelphia, and more recently, for Milpitas, 
California, in Silicon Valley.

Donald Berryman, president of EarthLink's municipal networks unit 
said in a statement: We look forward to taking the next step to 
negotiate a contract to build a municipal wireless broadband 
network.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   An elitist superstition codified
   is no less of an elitist superstition.
  
  Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
  based on the Jyotish chart...
 
 I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
 
 Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
 on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
 on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
 claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
 only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
 astrologer willing to say that the person is a
 Brahman based on his chart.
 
 But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on 
 earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi 
 could have become Shankaracharya, other than a 
 few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions 
 because the fantasy makes them feel more important?
 
 To me the most fascinating thing is that the people
 who do this -- the ones who try to construct some 
 fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or 
 should have been Shankaracharya -- are probably
 considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than 
 Shudras because they're not even Indian.  :-)



It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy the 
Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
departed Dalai Lama once wore...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   An elitist superstition codified
   is no less of an elitist superstition.
  
  Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
  based on the Jyotish chart...
 
 I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
 
 Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
 on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
 on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
 claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
 only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
 astrologer willing to say that the person is a
 Brahman based on his chart.

And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
that his family name was recognized as unworthy by the 
Jyotishi doesn't.
   
   I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
   pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
   be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
   ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
   a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
   on the same thing.
  
  Heh. It just jives with what I have heard about why MMY couldn't
  become Shankaracharya. I 
  mean, think about it: a birth-chart consists of 3 things: time 
  of birth, place of birth and name.
  
  Most people think of the time and place as being the most
  important for such a chart, but 
  what if it was *name* and place that gave the jyotishi pause?
 
 And what if it was the monkeys flying out of 
 Maharishi's butt that 'gave them pause.'  :-)
 
 Face it, dude...this is about YOUR need to feel
 important because you like to think of yourself
 as studying with someone who was qualified to be 
 Shankaracharya. There is no evidence that Maharishi 
 was *ever* considered qualified, or was *ever* con-
 sidered for the position, and there probably never 
 will be.  You'd just like to believe that it's true.
 
 It's OVER. He wasn't qualified then, and he isn't
 qualified now. He went on and did other things with
 his life, some of them good, some of them not so
 good. His place in history (assuming he even has 
 one) will be based on those things that he actually
 did, not on anyone's fantasies about what he could
 have done.
 
 To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
 technique of meditation




Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?

Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an experiential 
standpoint or an intellectual one.








 that was easy to learn
 and that could give people a taste of who they
 really are.  To his discredit, at a certain point
 he stopped promoting this technique, and in fact
 did almost everything in his power to make it
 unavailable except to an elite few.  Personally,
 I don't think the positivity of the former actions 
 outweighs the negativity of the latter actions,
 but that's up to the laws of karma to figure out, 
 not me.
 
 All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
 and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
 rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
 to have a pretty rough ride.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
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 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
is by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
  
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd
 
 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
generally
 quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.



What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is impossible?  
(by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy the
 Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
 departed Dalai Lama once wore...

You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what you  
believe!

The real story is pretty amazing.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
Jason:

May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with His 
Excellency and Bevan's with Exc?





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 I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, 
Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  Looks like 
a Genuine guy.
   
 Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
 
 True. And you have to be established in Brahman and 
essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be 
a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's 
down on several counts.

   
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 fairfieldlife@ wrote:
  on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote:
   On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
   
   And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
 until
   his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to 
his
   chart
   certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
 name was
   recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
   
   What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
   
   
   Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
   highest
   quality.
   
   Which girl told you that?
  
  Girl doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
  sang Girl
  (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.

The Beatles aren't exactly the arbiters of
the connotations of a term today on the basis of
a song they wrote 30 or more years ago, Rick.  Times
change, and in any case song lyrics get to claim the
poetic license exemption.  Woo-o-o-man wouldn't
have worked anywhere near as well in that song.

 You forget who you're trying to talk sense to,
 Rick.  The paranoids have decided that they *know*
 the nefarious intent of Vaj's use of the word
 'girl,' and that's that.

Actually it's Barry who has very conveniently
forgotten that Vaj has repeatedly referred to
Maharishi as a pervert.




  Nothing you or anyone
 can say can change what for them has become a 
 reality.  This is their minds on cultthink.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
  technique of meditation
 
 Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?
 
 Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an 
 experiential standpoint or an intellectual one.

Isn't it great to realize that, even at your
age, you can learn something new?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
the 
  highest
  quality.
 
 Which girl told you that?

So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
   
   Have you no sanity?
   
   Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
  
  I got the joke, fool. 
  
  Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls 
is 
  inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a 
  pedaphile.
 
 You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
 you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
 protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
 versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
 to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.


Perhaps if I had remembered the line properly, you would have gotten 
the joke?

Have you no shame, sir? At long last, have you no shame?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
  wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ 
 wrote:
   On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
   
Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was 
of 
  the 
highest
quality.
   
   Which girl told you that?
  
  So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
 
 Have you no sanity?
 
 Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.

I got the joke, fool. 

Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as 
girls
is inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that 
he 
was a pedaphile.
   
   You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
   you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
   protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
   versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
   to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
  
  It isn't about protecting MMY and TM.  It's about
  pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
  True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
  you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
  trample the facts.
  
  You didn't use the word girl by accident.
 
 I didn't use the word 'girl' period.
 
 You people are so paranoid and crazy you 
 can't even keep track of who you think is 
 persecuting you.  :-)  :-)  :-)


We're not keeping score, unlike some...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
I so much loved reading this...until I saw from some of the 
responses that it may be a goof.

I hope it isn't.

I'll take a Beatles reunion any way I can get it!  And this one 
would have the genuine DNA to really give it some credibility!







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 Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch
 
 While a Beatles reunion concert is sadly out of the question, 
Beatle
 fans may just get the next best  thing: Julian  Sean Lennon, 
James
 McCartney, Dhani  Harrison, and Zak  Jason Starkey are 
getting together
 for a series of concerts this summer.  Calling their outing 
the 'Here
 Comes The Sons' 2006  Tour, the surprising Beatles 
siblings 'reunion'
 came  about when Julian Lennon visited Friar Park, the 
home of the
 late George Harrison, at the request of Dhani  Harrison and 
his mother
 Olivia, Harrison's widow.  Olivia had come across some George 
Harrison
 demos which George had intended to send to John Lennon in  
the
 months prior to Lennon's tragic death. Harrison  had recorded 
the demos
 trying to emulate Lennon's voice, and decided that the songs 
were better
 suited  for John. After Lennon's passing, Harrison shelved the 
tapes,
 which were later discovered by Olivia.  Listening to the 
songs,
 Olivia also felt the songs  needed a Lennon vocal and invited 
Julian
 Lennon to Friar Park to hear the demos. Julian listened and 
liked the
 songs, but thought that there were some  parts that needed a 
higher,
 younger vocal register than he could muster. He rang up his 
half-brother
 Sean, and emailed an mp3 of a couple of the demos to the youngest 
Lennon.
 Both Lennon's were excited about  the songs and arranged to 
record them
 at Friar Park  with Dhani and Sean doing the guitar parts.
 Playbacks of the songs revealed to the young Harrison and Lennon 
Brothers
 that some distinctive bass and  drum parts were needed. On a 
hunch, they
 rang Sir Paul  McCartney to see if he might have interest in 
the
 project. Sir Paul politely refused, but suggested that  
perhaps his son,
 James, might be the man they needed  to play bass. James 
McCartney
 arrived at the sessions  with Zak  Jason Starkey, the sons of 
Beatles
 drummer  Ringo Starr, who happened to be visiting the 
McCartney's in
 London. The six Beatles siblings then  went to work on the 
Harrison
 demos, and the finished  results so pleased them, they decided 
that not
 only  would they release the songs, they would also record
 additional original material for an album release, to be followed 
by a brief
 tour of the United States.  At a press conference held at 
Abbey Road
 Studios, the  Beatles siblings made an official announcement 
of the
 tour and album release. Were all very excited by the  songs, 
Dhani
 Harrison beamed, Dad really wanted John Lennon to record these 
songs, and
 in a way, I feel that we're honoring his wishes. I'm very 
humbled
 that Olivia and Dhani asked me to listen to George's  demos, 
chimed in
 Julian Lennon, and I'm very happy that Sean is onboard this 
project too.
 We've been talking for years about doing something together, 
and
 these songs felt just right for us. And to have Dhani,  James, 
Zak 
 Jason involved makes this a very special  project as well.
 Our Dad's at first were a little leery about us doing  this, 
said
 James McCartney , refering to McCartney  and Starr, but after 
they
 heard what we put together, they gave us their blessings. It's 
funny in a
 way,  added Zak Starkey, I've played with my Dad, The 
Who  and
 Oasis, but playing with these guys, who are more  or less as 
much
 brothers to me as Jason is, I'm really  excited at the 
prospect of going
 on the road with them. When asked who came up with the idea 
of calling
 the  tour 'Here Comes The Sons 2006', Dhani Harrison 
raised  his
 hand. Guilty!', he laughed, joined by the other  five. After 
all, I
 made the phone call!, which elicited another round of laughter 
from the
 group. The  tour kicks off at Irving Plaza in New York City 
on April
 1st, 2006. More dates to be announced. Stella  McCartney will 
be
 designing the stage wear for the group.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 1:49 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ 
wrote:
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
   Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
the
   highest
   quality.
 
  Which girl told you that?

 So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
   
Have you no sanity?
   
Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
  
   I got the joke, fool.
  
   Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls 
is
   inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was 
a
   pedaphile.
 
  You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
  you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
  protecting Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice
  versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard
  to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
 
 He needs to get in touch with the Yonified Field and let go of his  
 Inner Bitch.


Sorry, I'm an outie, not an innie.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
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 The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of stories 
right now:
 
 Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
 
 By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
 
 The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus 
 and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today.
 Excerpts From the Gospel (pdf)




I always thought that Nikos Kazantzakis had it right that Judas was 
part and parcel of the divine plan because without him Jesus may not 
have been crucified, which was God's divine plan that his only 
begotten yada yada yada





 
 
 Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
 
 By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
 
 Scientists found evidence of limbs in the making in the 
 375-million-year-old fish's forward fins.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 This is almost as good as Public Radio's April Fool's stunt, a story 
about positive operas.
 
 One Man's Sad Goal? Make Opera Positive
 
 by Alice Furlaud 
 
 All Things Considered, April 1, 2006 · On Cape Cod, an impresario 
seeks rewrites of the 
 world's great tragic operas. He wants to give them a happy ending for 
performances by his 
 children's opera company. Some might call it a fool's errand.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/g6pr2


Bah. Bugs Bunny winks at the end. How much more positive do you need?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



   I refered to him as, "His Majesty". Other Ministers in the Global country should be refered as Excellencies. Exc. Bevan Morris says Maharishi insists on calling them as Excellencies.shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:53:47 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes Jason: May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with "His Excellency" and Bevan's with "Exc"?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well. Looks like a Genuine guy.  Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes  True. And you have to be established in Brahman and essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's down on several counts.   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 3:53 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jason:
 
 May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with His
 Excellency and Bevan's with Exc?

Good point. Nader is His Majesty, and don't you forget it!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
willytex@ wrote:
 
  sparaig wrote:
   You're being rather vague here Judy. 
  
  Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, 
I guess.
  
   Was this intentional...?
  
  Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread -
 just
  another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a
  know-it-all. Anybody can see that Judy hasn't added one thing to 
the
  current thread. Obviously Judy's not an insider with any new
  information. Go figure.
 
 What makes you think you are any different?


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[FairfieldLife] Scotland the worst part of scorpionland

2006-04-06 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/04/06/scotland/index_np.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   I refered to him as, His Majesty.  Other Ministers 
 in the Global country should be refered as Excellencies.  
 Exc. Bevan Morris says Maharishi insists on calling them 
 as Excellencies.

And you believe this is sane?


 shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:53:47 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
 

 Jason:
 
   May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with His 
Excellency and Bevan's with Exc?

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
 wrote: 
  I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, 
Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  Looks like 
a Genuine guy.

  Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
  
  True. And you have to be established in Brahman and 
 essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to 
be a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so 
he's down on several counts.
 
 

 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal 
edict?






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
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 Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who 
is teaching
 it.
 
 ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques 
or programs
 other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and 
anyone
 who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi 
teaches
 Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, 
and offered
 in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any 
mixing of
 any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to
 everyoneknowledge of the Constitution of the Universe, Total 
Natural Law,
 the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for 
the dawn of
 a new fortune of all mankind.
 
 ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be 
misled on
 this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to 
Maharishi and
 the Vedic Tradition of Masters.²
 
 Maharishi says: Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it 
with
 anything.
 
 
 Raja Dr. John Konhaus
 Station 24, 6063NP
 Vlodrop, Netherlands
 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  
  On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
  
  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until
  his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his
  chart
  certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name 
was
  recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
  
  What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
  
  
  Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
highest
  quality.
  
  Which girl told you that?
 
 Girl doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
sang Girl
 (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.


Useage changes. In the early 70's, women would jump all over me for 
using girl to refer to anyone post-puberty. For the most part, this 
seems to have become standard. The only way you can avoid it is to 
refer to boys AND girls or be so much older that people forgive you 
for using it in a non-standard way. E.G. my mother referring to 
Robert Redford as a handsome boy.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 fairfieldlife@ wrote:
  on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote:
   On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
   
   And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
 until
   his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to 
his
   chart
   certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
 name was
   recognized as unworthy by the Jyotishi doesn't.
   
   What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
   
   
   Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
   highest
   quality.
   
   Which girl told you that?
  
  Girl doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
  sang Girl
  (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.
 
 You forget who you're trying to talk sense to,
 Rick.  The paranoids have decided that they *know*
 the nefarious intent of Vaj's use of the word
 'girl,' and that's that.  Nothing you or anyone
 can say can change what for them has become a 
 reality.  This is their minds on cultthink.


It's not standard English, at least in the USA, to refer to a grown 
woman as a girl these days. Women's Libbers called men on it all 
the time in the 70's because it is belittling someone else by 
implying that you are older and wiser.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy 
the
  Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
  departed Dalai Lama once wore...
 
 You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what 
you  
 believe!
 
 The real story is pretty amazing.



Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense.

Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies  Seven 
years in Tibet, Kundun and that Snow Lion documentary.

If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
   technique of meditation
  
  Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?
  
  Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an 
  experiential standpoint or an intellectual one.
 
 Isn't it great to realize that, even at your
 age, you can learn something new?



Actually, it makes me wonder if you ever practised TM the way it is 
supposed to be practised.

It's the simplicity and effortlessness that makes it work (at least 
in my experience).  

The more you try, the less it works.  Is that perhaps what happened 
to you?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Wi-Fi for SF

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Question: assuming San Franscisco gets set up for this Wi-Fi, would 
 that mean that people with high speed internet via their cable 
 companies will no longer need it?
 

Did you note supported by advertising? What it does is interfere 
with local NON-commercial broadband wireless. I wonder how they will 
handle thecomplaints from people who findthat they can't receive non-
commercial wireless without interference fromthe citywide setup.

 
 
 ---
 
 EarthLink, Google to provide San Francisco Wi-FI
 Thu Apr 6, 2006 2:16 PM ET 
 
 
 SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A San Francisco city commission has 
 selected a joint bid by Web search leader Google Inc. and Internet 
 service provider EarthLink
 
 Inc. to provide free wireless access throughout the city.
 
 The Department of Telecommunications and Information Services said 
 late on Wednesday that the city will begin contract negotiations 
 with EarthLink and Google to create a widely available wireless 
 broadband network across San Francisco.
 
 The EarthLink proposal edged out runner-up MetroFi and four other 
 bidders, the city government said in a statement.
 
 EarthLink and Google are working with wireless equipment suppliers 
 Motorola Inc. and Tropos Networks to construct a mobile network for 
 residents, businesses, municipal government and visitors.
 
 Google has said it plans to offer free wireless access supported by 
 advertising. EarthLink will offer services aimed at business users 
 and to support local government activities.
 
 EarthLink also has been selected to build a municipal Wi-Fi network 
 for the city of Philadelphia, and more recently, for Milpitas, 
 California, in Silicon Valley.
 
 Donald Berryman, president of EarthLink's municipal networks unit 
 said in a statement: We look forward to taking the next step to 
 negotiate a contract to build a municipal wireless broadband 
 network.







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