[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > New.morning, do less thinking for yourself and just adopt my point 
> > of view on all things.  Life will be much easier for you.
> 
> It's finally happened...Shemp has become Maharishi...
> 
> :-)
>


That's Shemp-Ji to you, Bub.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> New.morning, do less thinking for yourself and just adopt my point 
> of view on all things.  Life will be much easier for you.

It's finally happened...Shemp has become Maharishi...

:-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rtam bhara pragya

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman
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snip  
> But first a little preface, before Patanjali takes the stage:
> 
> Maharishi once told us an interesting thing.  He said (paraphrased):
> 
> It's not difficult to be established in the Self, sitting in some cave
snip 

Michael, thanks for that - very helpful. 


JohnY 

  









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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[Irmeli Mattsson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > > Imagine the wrath of Christians if a non-
> > > Christian were to say the only new things Jesus brought
> > > were evil and inhuman, citing, say, Jesus' instruction
> > > to hate one's father and mother!
> > > 
> > > The big problem was that the pope *did not repudiate*
> > > the offensive part of the quote.  He could have made
> > > his point about violent jihad just as well if he'd
> > > said to start with that he didn't condone the first
> > > part.
> > > 
> > > It's too bad that slip (among others, but that was the
> > > worst) was so inflammatory that it was hard to hear
> > > the rest of what he said dispassionately.
> > > 
> > > And he *still* hasn't apologized for it.  All he's
> > > said is that he was sorry Muslims were offended by
> > > it.
> > 
> > I just cannot see the speech as offensive. The quotation becomes
> > offensive only,  when it is taken out of the context of the whole
> > speech. The pope is quoting a Christian Byzantine Emperor, who is 
> > trying to challenge an educated Persian by his claims and 
> > questions. I have very difficult to imagine that the Christians 
> > would feel deeply hurt and offended had the claim been made by a 
> > muslim about Christianity. Instead the Christians would have tried 
> > to defend their own view by answering to questions of the emperor 
> > and trying to refute his claims.
> 
> Some might; others would be outraged.  And bear in
> mind that there's no one in Islam equivalent to the
> pope, with his power and influence and international
> status as a religious leader.
> 
> > We have also to remember what kind of audience this speech was given
> > to. The pope is a former professor of theology, and he was invited 
> > to speak at the University of Regensburg. It is a scholarly speach 
> > for other scholars. Why do the muslims feel the need to control 
> > even what can be expressed in the academia of a western country?
> 
> With his prominence as a public figure, the pope
> can't just give a scholarly speech for other
> scholars and expect it to stay within that context.
> Whatever he says is going to be widely reported and
> taken to be the official view of the Roman Catholic
> Church.
> 
> Whether the quote was taken out of context or not, he
> should have known better than to use it without
> explicitly saying it didn't reflect his own views.
> That he did not do so makes him, at the very least,
> insensitive.
> 
> That's just Public Relations 101.
>

I think he made a courageous and respectful gesture by a little bit
challenging the Muslims and inviting them to a deep and serious
discussion.

I feel rather frustrated about the attitude of the press here in
Finland. The Muslims are here seen as the poor oppressed victims of
the west. Their actions are not criticized. However I suspect that the
deeper motivator of this kind of behaviour is a fear of the
consequences of possible revenge in the form of terrorism. As long as
the Muslims can control our behaviour and thinking by the threat of
terrorism they will increasingly use that weapon.

The pope ends his speech by a sincere invitation to dialogue: " Not to
act reasonably, not to act with logos, is contrary to the nature of
God", said Manuel II , according to his Christian understanding of
God, in response to the Persian interlocutor. It is to this great 
logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the
dialogue of cultures."

It was an invitation to a deep dialogue by expressing some challenging
questions about Islam. I think we need more this kind of approach
instead of warfare, or trying to close our eyes and pretend that there
are no problems ,or to see all the problems being caused by the west
as the press does in Finland. 

Actually by seeing only the West as a responsible part in this
conflict Muslim hides an extremely condescending attitude towards the
Muslims, as if they were totally lacking the capacity to responsible,
reasonable actions on their own, lowering them in a way to the same
level with animals.

Irmeli






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to 
build, 
> is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely:
> 
> "That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 
years 
> at the current rate of consumption," said Mike Hayden, the 
secretary of 
> the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas 
> governor.
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html
>


...but...but...but...if all those meditators come together there and 
do there program, then surely the water will come?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 9/17/06 9:41:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > jstein@ writes:
> > 
> > Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved  enough
> > > to handle democracy and need a Saddam
> > 
> > Who has said that?  Can you give us *just one* name
> > and quote?
> > 
> > Yes , A democratic Senator ot Congressman just recently said 
that 
> Iraq was  
> > better off under Saddam. I think it was Jay Rockafeller. I'm 
pretty 
> darned sure 
> >  Offworld and Easy1 would agree.
> 
> I'm asking for a name and quote from someone who
> says Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handle
> democracy.  I gather you just made that part up.
>

http://tinyurl.com/nw4wc







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[FairfieldLife] Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan

[bob_brigante]

The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to build, 
is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely:

"That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 years 
at the current rate of consumption," said Mike Hayden, the secretary of 
the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas 
governor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning

[curtisdeltablues]

Getting an adult committed isn't like that.  You don't get to choose
the reason when you admit them.  The admitting doctor has to determine
if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in
society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do
with the medical determination that would lead to her
institutionalization.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > This is sad, from: 
> >
http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae
> > 3921fc1ef5ab5675
> > 
> > After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that
he was no
> > longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That
working two
> > shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be "too
exhausting
> > for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution". So, Doug
> > renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly.
> > 
> > That was the beginning of Doug's career decline.
> > 
> > However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie
then spent
> > their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing
VedaLand... (as
> > mentioned in a link above).
> > 
> > Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer.
> > Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then
joined
> > the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother Divine is a convent-like
program, but
> > the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft
spoken and
> > spacey.
> > 
> > Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental
> > institution a few years ago. deep sigh.
> > 
> > She was once so full of life.
> >
> 
> So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane
or because she was 
> giving her money away?
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.

[curtisdeltablues]

We have an Indian male, depersonalized and grandiose, age late 80's
and we need to stabilize him..  Please advise what perscription we can
use to stabilize this patient.  He is not a danger to himself at this
time, but I fear he is a danger to others.  Please advise...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maharishi-Ji concluded today's experience meeting with the following 
> words: 
>  
> "Let me express my vision of today. We have hoisted the flag of 
> about  40 countries today. This little number is just nothing. 
>  
> What I see is,  the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. Our 
> globe is floating in bliss in the empty space. This is the vision of 
> today. And we confirm it more and more the thickness of bliss in 
> which the empty space will be demonstrating its pleasure. 
>  
> Today we see, from a distance we see, our globe moving in empty space 
> of bliss. From a distance the globe we see moving through the space 
> of bliss. Let us rejoice on that. 
>  
> And from tomorrow we continue our effortless effort. There is no 
> effort. The effort is taken over by the cosmic intelligence which 
> does not feel the effort. 
>  
> It's automation through which it works and that automation is going 
> to make us see from a distance the globe moving in the empty space of 
> bliss.  
>  
> Great glory to Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev."
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning

[curtisdeltablues]

Wow!  I had a front seat for this relationship.  This news gives me no
joy, but I have to say that hearing her speak did used to give me the
creeps.  She was off, and only in the rairified movement atmosphere
did her condition stay off radar.  Doug was not far behind I believe.
 But she did live a fantasy life for a while.  She was MMY royalty.  I
hope she can recover a useful life.  Weird that she gave away all the
money.  Not surprising that the MMY machine chewed her up and spit her
out.  Very moving story Rick. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is sad, from: 
>
http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae
> 3921fc1ef5ab5675
> 
> After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he
was no
> longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That
working two
> shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be "too
exhausting
> for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution". So, Doug
> renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly.
> 
> That was the beginning of Doug's career decline.
> 
> However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie
then spent
> their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as
> mentioned in a link above).
> 
> Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer.
> Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then
joined
> the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother Divine is a convent-like
program, but
> the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft
spoken and
> spacey.
> 
> Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental
> institution a few years ago. deep sigh.
> 
> She was once so full of life.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is sad, from: 
> http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae
> 3921fc1ef5ab5675
> 
> After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he was no
> longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That working two
> shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be "too exhausting
> for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution". So, Doug
> renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly.
> 
> That was the beginning of Doug's career decline.
> 
> However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie then spent
> their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as
> mentioned in a link above).
> 
> Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer.
> Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then joined
> the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother Divine is a convent-like program, but
> the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft spoken and
> spacey.
> 
> Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental
> institution a few years ago. deep sigh.
> 
> She was once so full of life.
>

So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane or because 
she was 
giving her money away?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 9/17/06 9:40:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Yet  those same 51 million and 59 million would have been led
> > by those that  would never have committed to liberating Afghanistan 
> > because "no  nation has ever conquered the Afghans and we would
> > fall into the same  trap that the Russians fell into".
> 
> Sorry, but imaginary scenarios about  what Gore
> or Kerry would have done do not an argument make.
> 
> As for  our having "liberated" Afghanistan, you
> don't read the news much, I  gather.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No those were common liberal arguments why we should not invade  Afghanistan. 
> Kind of like the 50,000 body bags for US soldiers to take  Baghdad caused by 
> gas and chemical attacks. I never heard any  conservative arguments why we 
> should not invade Afghanistan.Yes Afghanistan is  liberated and has a 
> democratically elected government. Are things perfect and  peaceful? No.But 
> definitely 
> better off now than under the  Taliban.
>

Really? Who told you this?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to 
> >cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 40 
> >years ago.
> >
> >Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that margarine 
> >is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go 
> >back to butter.
> >
> >The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.
> >
> Wishful thinking on your part?  Just what do you have against trying to 
> live in harmony with nature?
>

Forget about harmony. A *wise* slave-master doesn't kill all his slaves just 
because he can...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
[...]
> Back to my post: as has been discussed by others, 
> Maharishi originally said it doesn't matter who's in 
> power if collective consciousness is high enough to 
> generate coherent policies and support of nature in 
> their execution. But then he started ranting about 
> G.W. Bush being a rakshasa. My post was pointing 
> up the irony that MMY's superradiance might save 
> the Bush tush.
>

Well, Ayurveda IS about transforming poison into nectar, and the ultimate 
Ayurvedic 
treatment is transcending.

So if Bush gets transformed as a side-effect of the rising consciousness of the 
country, it's 
just another inevitable side-effect of the process, eh?





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[FairfieldLife] What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.

[bob_brigante]

Maharishi-Ji concluded today's experience meeting with the following 
words: 
 
"Let me express my vision of today. We have hoisted the flag of 
about  40 countries today. This little number is just nothing. 
 
What I see is,  the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. Our 
globe is floating in bliss in the empty space. This is the vision of 
today. And we confirm it more and more the thickness of bliss in 
which the empty space will be demonstrating its pleasure. 
 
Today we see, from a distance we see, our globe moving in empty space 
of bliss. From a distance the globe we see moving through the space 
of bliss. Let us rejoice on that. 
 
And from tomorrow we continue our effortless effort. There is no 
effort. The effort is taken over by the cosmic intelligence which 
does not feel the effort. 
 
It's automation through which it works and that automation is going 
to make us see from a distance the globe moving in the empty space of 
bliss.  
 
Great glory to Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev." 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/fehwp
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.
> >
> 

> And whats with that huge Northwest facing set of buildings -- not on
> the N/S axis like the other buildings (allowing huge east entrances)
>


***

I believe that's the monastery the TMO wanted to tear down, but the 
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[FairfieldLife] What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.

[bob_brigante]

 
Maharishi-Ji concluded today's experience meeting with the following 
words: 
 
"Let me express my vision of today. We have hoisted the flag of 
about  40 countries today. This little number is just nothing. 
 
What I see is,  the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. Our 
globe is floating in bliss in the empty space. This is the vision of 
today. And we confirm it more and more the thickness of bliss in 
which the empty space will be demonstrating its pleasure. 
 
Today we see, from a distance we see, our globe moving in empty space 
of bliss. From a distance the globe we see moving through the space 
of bliss. Let us rejoice on that. 
 
And from tomorrow we continue our effortless effort. There is no 
effort. The effort is taken over by the cosmic intelligence which 
does not feel the effort. 
 
It's automation through which it works and that automation is going 
to make us see from a distance the globe moving in the empty space of 
bliss.  
 
Great glory to Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev." 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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>  
> In a message dated 9/17/06 9:13:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> In a message dated 9/17/06 9:41:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> 
> Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved  enough
> > to handle democracy and need a Saddam
> 
> Who has said  that? Can you give us *just one* name
> and  quote?
> 
> Yes , A democratic Senator ot Congressman just recently said that 
Iraq  was 
> better off under Saddam. I think it was Jay Rockafeller. I'm pretty 
darned  
> sure Offworld and Easy1 would agree.
> 
> By the way Judy, Google "better off under Saddam", you might be  
surprised.

I was looking for "not evolved enough to handle democracy"
and couldn't find anything.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

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> > Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to 
> > cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 
> 40 
> > years ago.
> > 
> > Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that 
> margarine 
> > is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go 
> > back to butter.
> > 
> > The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.
> >
> 
> This has prolly been up here already, but the melting of the 
> permafrost is said to be one of the most alarming things at the 
> moment:
> 
> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725124.500
> 
> I believe CO2 is almost nothing compared to methane (CH4) as
> a greenhouse gas.
>

Don't worry. According to Shemp it's all melted before. How the methane got 
back into the 
bog is not yet known...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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>  
> In a message dated 9/17/06 9:40:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> Yet  those same 51 million and 59 million would have been led
> > by those that  would never have committed to liberating 
Afghanistan 
> > because "no  nation has ever conquered the Afghans and we would
> > fall into the same  trap that the Russians fell into".
> 
> Sorry, but imaginary scenarios about  what Gore
> or Kerry would have done do not an argument make.
> 
> As for  our having "liberated" Afghanistan, you
> don't read the news much, I  gather.
> 
> No those were common liberal arguments why we should not invade  
Afghanistan.

P.S.: Take responsibility for what you write, please.
You explicitly said it was the leaders of those who
voted against Bush in the elections who wouldn't
have committed to "liberating" Afghanistan.  Those
leaders were Gore and Kerry, not just some liberals.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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In a message dated 9/17/06 9:13:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  
  
  In a message dated 9/17/06 9:41:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]com writes:
  Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved 
enough> to handle democracy and need a SaddamWho has said 
that? Can you give us *just one* nameand 
  quote?
  
  Yes , A democratic Senator ot Congressman just recently said that Iraq 
  was better off under Saddam. I think it was Jay Rockafeller. I'm pretty darned 
  sure Offworld and Easy1 would agree.
   

By the way Judy, Google "better off under Saddam", you might be 
surprised.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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>  
> In a message dated 9/17/06 9:40:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> Yet  those same 51 million and 59 million would have been led
> > by those that  would never have committed to liberating 
Afghanistan 
> > because "no  nation has ever conquered the Afghans and we would
> > fall into the same  trap that the Russians fell into".
> 
> Sorry, but imaginary scenarios about  what Gore
> or Kerry would have done do not an argument make.
> 
> As for  our having "liberated" Afghanistan, you
> don't read the news much, I  gather.
> 
> No those were common liberal arguments why we should not invade  
Afghanistan. 

Funny, I don't remember much arguing about invading
Afghanistan, at least not after 9/11.

> Kind of like the 50,000 body bags for US soldiers to take  Baghdad 
caused by 
> gas and chemical attacks.

I believe it was the Bushies who kept warning that
Saddam was planning to use gas and chemicals against
American troops.

 I never heard any  conservative arguments why we 
> should not invade Afghanistan.Yes Afghanistan is  liberated and has 
a 
> democratically elected government. Are things perfect and  
peaceful? No.But definitely 
> better off now than under the  Taliban.

You don't read the news much, I gather.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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>  
> In a message dated 9/17/06 9:41:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved  enough
> > to handle democracy and need a Saddam
> 
> Who has said that?  Can you give us *just one* name
> and quote?
> 
> Yes , A democratic Senator ot Congressman just recently said that 
Iraq was  
> better off under Saddam. I think it was Jay Rockafeller. I'm pretty 
darned sure 
>  Offworld and Easy1 would agree.

I'm asking for a name and quote from someone who
says Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handle
democracy.  I gather you just made that part up.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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In a message dated 9/17/06 9:40:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Yet 
  those same 51 million and 59 million would have been led> by those that 
  would never have committed to liberating Afghanistan > because "no 
  nation has ever conquered the Afghans and we would> fall into the same 
  trap that the Russians fell into".Sorry, but imaginary scenarios about 
  what Goreor Kerry would have done do not an argument make.As for 
  our having "liberated" Afghanistan, youdon't read the news much, I 
  gather.

No those were common liberal arguments why we should not invade 
Afghanistan. Kind of like the 50,000 body bags for US soldiers to take 
Baghdad caused by gas and chemical attacks. I never heard any 
conservative arguments why we should not invade Afghanistan.Yes Afghanistan is 
liberated and has a democratically elected government. Are things perfect and 
peaceful? No.But definitely better off now than under the 
Taliban.
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Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved 
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  Can you give us *just one* nameand quote?

Yes , A democratic Senator ot Congressman just recently said that Iraq was 
better off under Saddam. I think it was Jay Rockafeller. I'm pretty darned sure 
Offworld and Easy1 would agree.
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  Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved enough> > 
  > to handle democracy and need a Saddam> > > > Who has 
  said that? Can you give us *just one* name> > and quote?> 
  >> > > Strangely, I have a Kuwaiti friend who has said 
  exactly this.> > Her family and friends went through hell when 
  Saddam invaded Kuwait in > 1990 (she was here in America through it 
  all), and the Americans saved > them. Yet she was dead-set against 
  invading and toppling Saddam in > 2003. She is incredibly 
  anti-Bush.

It seems I heard a democratic Senator or congressman who said Iraqis were 
better off under Saddam just recently. Was it Jay Rockafeller? I have also hear 
numerous people some on this list have said the middle eastern countries aren't 
ready for democracy. Easy1 was one of them.
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[FairfieldLife] Debbie Henning

[Rick Archer]

Title: Debbie Henning





This is sad, from: http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae3921fc1ef5ab5675

After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he was no longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That working two shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be "too exhausting for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution". So, Doug renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly.

That was the beginning of Doug's career decline.

However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie then spent their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as mentioned in a link above).

Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer.
Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then joined the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother Divine is a convent-like program, but the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft spoken and spacey.

Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental institution a few years ago. deep sigh.

She was once so full of life.   


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[FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama Quote : meditation on emptiness

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

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> > --- Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
> > > pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about
> > your
> > > experience. I've only had one clear experience of
> > > rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
> > > started TM. 

Peter, yesterday evening, after we had exchanged 
ritam experiences in this forum, a friend told of 
having just such an experience while looking out to 
sea some years ago. He related the experience
in the course of what I thought was an unrelated 
conversation. The flash of everything making 
sense lasted just an instant, he said, but 
it was what we're talking about. 

So that was a nice bit of synchronicity.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rtam bhara pragya

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > Someone asked:
> 
>  > What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for intellect?
> 
> In response, choices were offered: buddhi and pragya.
> 
> Buddhi = intellect
> 
> Pragya = sprouting (pra) of knowledge (gya - as in 'gyan')
> 
> Rtam bhara pragya = that most subtle level where knowledge sprouts 
(1st
> appears) in only its radiant state of truth, where name and form 
are not
> yet separate, where knowledge is immediate and pure (not yet 
separated
> from the source), where intellect has hardly become individuated, 
where
> there is no gap between desiring to know something and knowing it, 
where
> the knowledge is, as if, inherent in the question or desire itself.
> 
> Dr. Pete asked about how that rtam is experienced:
> 
> It can be experienced in at least two ways:
> 
> 1. When a specific desire for knowledge arises and is instantly 
and com-
> pletely fulfilled - no gap, no waiting, no partial answer, no 
lack.
> Complete identity of question/desire and answer/fulfillment.
> 
> 2. As a more general experience of omniscience, of being 
omniscient, of
> "sitting" in that place where all knowledge is available, as 
you need
> it (even if no specific question/desire is arising at that 
moment).
> 
> Maharishi Patanjali lists this second one as one of the final 
siddhis
> in the Yoga Sutras - the siddhi of omniscience and omnipotence 
(III-50).
> 
> But first a little preface, before Patanjali takes the stage:
> 
> Maharishi once told us an interesting thing.  He said 
(paraphrased):
> 
> It's not difficult to be established in the Self, sitting in some 
cave
> in the Himalayas.  It's all silence there, nothing challenges the 
Self.
> But the real test of how well-established the Self is - is if it is
> maintained while you're sitting in a dirty taxi, stuck in a traffic
> jam in Manhattan, behind a fume-belching bus.  Self-realization, he
> said, has to be tested, tempered, in the world of activity.  Only
> then will the fear of "losing it" be dissolved.  We have to see 
that
> nothing in the relative - no negativity, no emotion, no thought, no
> activity, no 'impurity', no pleasure, no pain - can challenge it.
> 
Really beautifully said Michael. Thanks for putting this into words. 
I regularly enjoy the tests and tribulations of a busy daily life in 
a large metro area precisely because of this. And it continues to be 
very rewarding.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution 
to 
> > cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was 
about 40 
> > years ago.
> > 
> > Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that 
margarine 
> > is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to 
go 
> > back to butter.
> > 
> > The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's 
margarine.
> 
> Yes, you logic is impecable. Your mind is dazzling. Why could we 
all
> have seen it was so simple! Margerine bad, ergo global warming ok, 
if
> not good. It all makes perfect sense. And just think how silly 
those
> scientsist are going to look in 40 years when omega 6 oils are 
found
> to be bad bad bad.
>

Thank you.

New.morning, do less thinking for yourself and just adopt my point 
of view on all things.  Life will be much easier for you.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 17, 2006, at 6:18 PM, new.morning wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to
>> cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 40
>> years ago.
>>
>> Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that margarine
>> is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go
>> back to butter.
>>
>> The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.
>
> Yes, you logic is impecable. Your mind is dazzling. Why could we all
> have seen it was so simple! Margerine bad, ergo global warming ok, if
> not good. It all makes perfect sense. And just think how silly those
> scientsist are going to look in 40 years when omega 6 oils are found
> to be bad bad bad.

Don't blame Shemp, he's posting from Bellevue.
Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Orono Maine course

[curtisdeltablues]

Thanks for the update on Tom Duffy.  What a character!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 9/17/06 8:24 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Now I remember, Tom Duffy.  Very entertaining lecturer.  I knew his ex
> > Suzy years later.
> > 
> I see Tom twice a year. He¹s doing great. He¹s a real estate agent
in New
> Hampshire. I also see Bobby Lee¹s wife and son (at Amma events). His son
> looks a lot like him.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> > , "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > My first week long residence course was in Orono, 74 or 75 or maybe
> >> > both.  Charlie D was very intense but I really enjoyed his
lectures.
> >> > Where is he now, Amherst  Mass?
> > 
> Northampton. I was working for an organization that raises money for
> political organizations, but that moved it¹s offices. Now he just
teaches
> some courses at local colleges.
> > 
> >> >Did you give any general lectures
> >> > Rick?  I can't remember if I saw you there.
> > 
> I did a morning meeting including a checking session.
> > 
> >> >Doug Henning had hitched
> >> > up to Maine with a hot chick from his first Tonight Show
appearance .
> >> >  He performed at the talent show.
> > 
> Funny I don¹t remember that. Summer of Œ73? Andy Kauffman gave a great
> performance. Had everyone dying of laughter. Jerry Jarvis also came.
> > 
> >> >My initiator was Joe Smith, do you
> >> > remember Joe and Carol from the early days?
> > 
> No.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis: is my memory correct?

[curtisdeltablues]

Yes, good memory.  I was a good friend of Paul's and was very
interested in hanging out with Cistertian monks with Paul while at
MIU.  It was an unique exposure to an interesting culture.  Paul is
back in the monastery in Georgia last I heard.  I lost touch with him
in the 80's.

That sucks about them demolishing the MIU chapel, it was one of the
only charming buildings on campus, great for music.




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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 9/17/06 1:55 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
> > > 
> > >> > And am out of line drawing a parallel between what the Taliban 
> did
> > >> > and what the TMO desires to do with the monastery?
> > > 
> > Not too far. There was a huge outcry in FF when MUM tore down the 
> beautiful,
> > historic chapel on campus (which faced slightly to the south).
> >
> 
> 
> Curtis:
> 
> Correct me if I am wrong here, but I have a distinct memory of you 
> attending Paul Marichal's lectures at lunchtime at the chapel of which 
> Rick speaks.  Yes?
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: My hike today

[curtisdeltablues]

Thanks for the pictures.  You are smart to take advantage of living
close to such history.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> 
> About 1/2 hours drive from my house is the trailhead to Hieroglyphic
> Canyon.  From the trailhead, it is about an hour's hike to the canyon.
> 
> What's wonderful about it is that the canyon is strewn with pictographs
> by the Hohokam Indians which are estimated to be as old as 2,000 years.
> And there's about 100 of them.  See more at:
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/azleader/hieroglyphcanyon
> 
> 
> Because we're in between seasons now, it's cool enough to hike there but
> still too hot for most people.  So twice this week I went and I was
> virtually the only person there.  You sit there knowing that thousands
> of years ago the natives were doing exactly the same thing you were
> doing: hanging out and enjoying the view, etc.
> 
> 
> 
>   [DSC01368w.jpg]     
> 14-AUG-2005
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > And am out of line drawing a parallel between what
> > the Taliban did 
> > and what the TMO desires to do with the monastery?
> 
> Not in the slightest. It is the same fanaticism; the
> same self-righteous, arrogance that deludes one into
> thinking that one is intrinsically correct and backed
> by God and that any whom oppose are intrinsically
> wrong and of the devil. It is a curse of the human
> mind that has led to untold deaths through the
> centuries. Kill the Pope! Burn the witches! Kill the
> Jews! Jihad! Aren't humans grand?

Um, getting a bit fanatic there arn't you Dr. Pete?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to 
> cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 40 
> years ago.
> 
> Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that margarine 
> is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go 
> back to butter.
> 
> The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.

Yes, you logic is impecable. Your mind is dazzling. Why could we all
have seen it was so simple! Margerine bad, ergo global warming ok, if
not good. It all makes perfect sense. And just think how silly those
scientsist are going to look in 40 years when omega 6 oils are found
to be bad bad bad.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Orono Maine course

[curtisdeltablues]

Thanks for the update on Joe and Carol Smith.  They were such an
important influence for me in my teens.  Glad to hear they are doing
well.  I'll bet their kids are as stunning as both of them.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> >
> > My first week long residence course was in Orono, 74 or 75 or maybe
> > both.  Charlie D was very intense but I really enjoyed his lectures. 
> > Where is he now, Amherst  Mass?  Did you give any general lectures
> > Rick?  I can't remember if I saw you there.  Doug Henning had hitched
> > up to Maine with a hot chick from his first Tonight Show appearance .
> >  He performed at the talent show.  My initiator was Joe Smith, do you
> > remember Joe and Carol from the early days?  Pat (first name?) Duffy
> > from Philly was a good guy back then. Memories.
> > 
> I saw the Smith's at a TM function in Manhattan a few years ago. I
had not seen them for 
> probably 25 years.  Carol went to become recertified.  Joey was
still working in the family 
> business (plumbing contractors?) and appeared to be happy and
successful.  I think they 
> have college=age children. Both Carol and Joey looked good and
happy. They live outside 
> of Philadelphia and are part of that raja's domain, whatever one
that is.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >
> > > on 9/16/06 9:14 PM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> 
> > > >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > > >>> >> 
> > > >>> >> Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the
> > Watergate
> > > >> > ordeal, I
> > > >>> >> heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in
favor of
> > > >>> >> conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped
on this
> > > >> > bandwagon,
> > > >>> >> so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so
> > too, and
> > > >> > caught
> > > >>> >> plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.
> > > >>> >> 
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > Hey - I remember you from Orno, but I don't remember either
you or
> > > >> > Charlie taken' heat for Nixon :-)
> > > > 
> > > I taught the SCI course to a group of about 50 who had taken it
> > previously.
> > > They (deservedly) gave me the heat. I was out of my gourd on
that course
> > > because I had done 5 weeks of really intense rounding in a cabin
in N.
> > > Carolina with Charlie Donahue, Billy Lazarus, and George Helland
and had
> > > come down too quickly because the owner of the cabin wanted us out.
> > > (Maharishi gave us permission to round on our own because we
> > couldn¹t both
> > > attend the ATR and teach the Orono course.)
> > >
> >
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>shempmcgurk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution 
>>>  
>>>
>to 
>  
>
>>>cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 
>>>  
>>>
>40 
>  
>
>>>years ago.
>>>
>>>Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that 
>>>  
>>>
>margarine 
>  
>
>>>is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to 
>>>  
>>>
>go 
>  
>
>>>back to butter.
>>>
>>>The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's 
>>>  
>>>
>margarine.
>  
>
>>Wishful thinking on your part?  Just what do you have against 
>>
>>
>trying to 
>  
>
>>live in harmony with nature?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>Mother Earth is Gaia.  She is a living organism and, as such, if 
>some imbalance results from your partaking of her bounty, she is a 
>self-correcting mechanism.
>
>  
>
Like get rid of the parasite that is spreading all over her body causing 
the imbalance?



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[FairfieldLife] My hike today

[shempmcgurk]

About 1/2 hours drive from my house is the trailhead to Hieroglyphic Canyon.  From the trailhead, it is about an hour's hike to the canyon.
What's wonderful about it is that the canyon is strewn with pictographs by the Hohokam Indians which are estimated to be as old as 2,000 years.   And there's about 100 of them.  See more at:
http://www.pbase.com/azleader/hieroglyphcanyon
Because we're in between seasons now, it's cool enough to hike there but still too hot for most people.  So twice this week I went and I was virtually the only person there.  You sit there knowing that thousands of years ago the natives were doing exactly the same thing you were doing: hanging out and enjoying the view, etc.
 




 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Orono Maine course

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> My first week long residence course was in Orono, 74 or 75 or maybe
> both.  Charlie D was very intense but I really enjoyed his lectures. 
> Where is he now, Amherst  Mass?  Did you give any general lectures
> Rick?  I can't remember if I saw you there.  Doug Henning had hitched
> up to Maine with a hot chick from his first Tonight Show appearance .
>  He performed at the talent show.  My initiator was Joe Smith, do you
> remember Joe and Carol from the early days?  Pat (first name?) Duffy
> from Philly was a good guy back then. Memories.
> 
I saw the Smith's at a TM function in Manhattan a few years ago. I had not seen 
them for 
probably 25 years.  Carol went to become recertified.  Joey was still working 
in the family 
business (plumbing contractors?) and appeared to be happy and successful.  I 
think they 
have college=age children. Both Carol and Joey looked good and happy. They live 
outside 
of Philadelphia and are part of that raja's domain, whatever one that is.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 9/16/06 9:14 PM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote:
> > 
> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >> 
> > >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >>> >> 
> > >>> >> Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the
> Watergate
> > >> > ordeal, I
> > >>> >> heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
> > >>> >> conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped on this
> > >> > bandwagon,
> > >>> >> so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so
> too, and
> > >> > caught
> > >>> >> plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.
> > >>> >> 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Hey - I remember you from Orno, but I don't remember either you or
> > >> > Charlie taken' heat for Nixon :-)
> > > 
> > I taught the SCI course to a group of about 50 who had taken it
> previously.
> > They (deservedly) gave me the heat. I was out of my gourd on that course
> > because I had done 5 weeks of really intense rounding in a cabin in N.
> > Carolina with Charlie Donahue, Billy Lazarus, and George Helland and had
> > come down too quickly because the owner of the cabin wanted us out.
> > (Maharishi gave us permission to round on our own because we
> couldn¹t both
> > attend the ATR and teach the Orono course.)
> >
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

[Peter]

--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> And am out of line drawing a parallel between what
> the Taliban did 
> and what the TMO desires to do with the monastery?

Not in the slightest. It is the same fanaticism; the
same self-righteous, arrogance that deludes one into
thinking that one is intrinsically correct and backed
by God and that any whom oppose are intrinsically
wrong and of the devil. It is a curse of the human
mind that has led to untold deaths through the
centuries. Kill the Pope! Burn the witches! Kill the
Jews! Jihad! Aren't humans grand?




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[FairfieldLife] Curtis: is my memory correct?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 9/17/06 1:55 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > And am out of line drawing a parallel between what the Taliban 
did
> >> > and what the TMO desires to do with the monastery?
> > 
> Not too far. There was a huge outcry in FF when MUM tore down the 
beautiful,
> historic chapel on campus (which faced slightly to the south).
>


Curtis:

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I have a distinct memory of you 
attending Paul Marichal's lectures at lunchtime at the chapel of which 
Rick speaks.  Yes?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution 
to 
> >cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 
40 
> >years ago.
> >
> >Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that 
margarine 
> >is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to 
go 
> >back to butter.
> >
> >The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's 
margarine.
> >
> Wishful thinking on your part?  Just what do you have against 
trying to 
> live in harmony with nature?
>

Mother Earth loves you.

Mother Earth celebrates when you take of her bounty in order to 
fulfill your desires.

She loves to give you the carbon-based materials she has spent eons 
creating so that you can drive your SUV to the park or your Mack 
Truck from point A to point B.

Mother Earth is Gaia.  She is a living organism and, as such, if 
some imbalance results from your partaking of her bounty, she is a 
self-correcting mechanism.

Thank you, Exxon.

Thank you, Mother Earth.

Thank you for supplying us so plentifully with your spoils.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Rick

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Rick





on 9/17/06 1:53 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

why can't your involvement with Amma be considered a religion?

If it was, wouldn't that be the same as, say, being a Catholic...which 
would mean that the TMO couldn't have any objection to it?

Where is the dividing line between a TMer giving another "saint" their 
business and practising a religion?

I think the main sticking points are that religions
Are mainstream and the TMO wouldn’t dare mess with them.
Aren’t represented by a living master.
Don’t give out mantras and techniques that might “interfere” with TM.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

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> And am out of line drawing a parallel between what the Taliban did 
> and what the TMO desires to do with the monastery?

Not too far. There was a huge outcry in FF when MUM tore down the beautiful, historic chapel on campus (which faced slightly to the south).


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution 
to 
> > cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was 
about 40 
> > years ago.
> > 
> > Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that 
margarine 
> > is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to 
go 
> > back to butter.
> > 
> > The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's 
margarine.
> >
> Bollocks. It says it all.
>


Ever tried McDonald's Chicken McBollocks?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:

>Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to 
>cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 40 
>years ago.
>
>Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that margarine 
>is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go 
>back to butter.
>
>The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.
>
Wishful thinking on your part?  Just what do you have against trying to 
live in harmony with nature?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

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> Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to 
> cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 40 
> years ago.
> 
> Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that margarine 
> is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go 
> back to butter.
> 
> The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.
>
Bollocks. It says it all.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

[Michael Dean Goodman]

> peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?

The mechanics of perception and discrimination that our intellect
would LIKE us to believe in goes like this: sensory input comes in
from the objective world, is registered by the mind and turned into
thoughts, and the intellect objectively evaluates that input, dis-
criminates, and makes intelligent decisions.

But the mechanics of perception and discrimination that Maharishi laid
out goes like this: first, we have a belief on the level of the heart,
the faint feeling level, deeper than the intellect.  That means that the
heart has a feeling - an attraction or repulsion - then the whole rest of
the individuality (the intellect, and its servants, the mind and senses)
go out and FIND evidence to support, to validate, that belief.  They ig-
nore evidence that doesn't support that belief - that evidence, that sen-
sory experience, that knowledge, that interpretation does not register.

So it turns out that we're not objective at all.  The intellect has been
lying, and puffing up its own importance, by pretending to be objective
and in charge, when really it's just a lackey for the heart.

And, if we think about it, this makes sense based on our own experiences.
When we love someone (or some place or some thing), we see the details
about them, and interpret them through our love.  They can do only good -
their flaws are not flaws.  But when they disappoint us and break up with
us, although we keep seeing the same details about them, we interpret
those through our anger.  Now we are astounded that we ever saw all that
goodness in them; now they can do no good.  Even what we originally saw
as their strengths are now seen as flaws.  It's the same exact person
(or place or thing) - but vastly different interpretation by our intel-
lect - based on changes in our underlying feeling.  That underlying feel-
ing boldly flavors the (apparently) objective discriminative work of the
intellect.

When we have a deep personal belief, then even the strongest intellect
will ignore logic and even ingore direct experience that invalidates
that belief, and will use all of its skill to argue for the validity of
that belief, and to find evidence to support that belief.

There has been fascinating perceptual research that demonstrates this.
Show a bunch of people a photo of a large room filled with hundreds of
different objects and a number of people - and flash it in front of their
eyes for just a fraction of a second.  Then ask them to write down what
they saw.

Based on their beliefs and desires, they will have seen very different
things.  Same photo, but very different experiences.

If one person was very hungry, then their perceptual machinery uncon-
sciously sorts through everything in that fraction of a second and gloms
on to items related to eating in some way.  Hunger colors the "objecti-
vity" of their perception.

If another person had no need for food, but was feeling lonely, then their
perceptual machinery sees the people in the photo (but not the food ob-
jects).  They would swear that there was little if any food in that pic-
ture.  Again, their desire colors their perception.

If a third person had a deep belief (instead of a physical or emotional
need), say the belief that men are wonderful teachers, then they'll re-
member seeing the man in the photo, standing over a seated woman, with
his hand raised "to emphasize some point of knowledge he was lovingly
sharing".

If a fourth person had a deep belief that men are abusive, then they'll
remember seeing that man in the photo, standing over a seated woman, with
his hand raised "to hit her".

"The intellect (and its servants, the mind and the senses) supports the
heart."

-

Another angle, that more directly responds to your question, Peter:

Katha Upanishad 3.10-11

Beyond the organs & objects of perception are the subjective senses.
Beyond the subjective senses is the mind.
Beyond the mind is intellect.
Beyond intellect is the individual self/ego/jiva/soul.
Beyond the self/ego/jiva is the transcendental unmanifest Self.
Beyond the transcendental unmanifest Self is the The Great (Brahman,
Brihat).
There is nothing beyond The Great.
That is the limit, the highest that may be reached, the end of all
suffering.

In the subjective field of life:
1. The senses perceive.
2. The mind is subtler and receives those perceptions as thoughts.
3. The intellect is subtler yet and analyzes those thoughts.
The intellect discriminates, compares, makes judgements.
4. The ego is subtler yet, the sense of individuality, the "owner"
of the intellect, mind, and senses.

Maharishi explained it once from the opposite direction - the emergence
of the 8-fold nature of Prakriti, that inner subjective world which acts
as the link or gap between Knower and Known, between Atma and vishwa.

1. There is wholeness 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

[Patrick Gillam]

--- MDixon wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/16/06 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>  
> I heard on the radio yesterday that public support 
> for George W. Bush  and the Republican Party is 
> trending up, thanks in part to falling  gasoline prices. 
> When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy "Age  
> of Enlightenment News" reports from the Global 
> Country of World Peace,  crediting TM superradiance 
> with rising positivity. If those cause-effect  
> correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to 
> the re-election  of Republicans in November's  elections.
> 
> So J, are you suggesting that dome numbers decrease so that the country  
> might go to hell in a hand basket and people will take it out on the 
> Republicans  
> in November? 

No, I don't want that to happen. I'd rather see 
the country prosper and be healthy and peaceful, 
no matter who's in power.

> This is exactly what Rush has said for years, that the Democrats  
> have set them selves up so that bad news for America is great news for them 
> and  great news for America is bad for them.

I believe that's a warping of the Democratic message. 
As I hear it, the Democrats are saying, "Republican 
policies will cause more problems than they solve." 
Then, when conditions go south, the Dems say, "Told 
you so. The Republican agenda isn't good for the 
country. Instead, elect us."

The Democrats may feel some schadenfreude over 
Republican missteps, but certainly nobody's gloating 
over the parlous state of the nation.

Back to my post: as has been discussed by others, 
Maharishi originally said it doesn't matter who's in 
power if collective consciousness is high enough to 
generate coherent policies and support of nature in 
their execution. But then he started ranting about 
G.W. Bush being a rakshasa. My post was pointing 
up the irony that MMY's superradiance might save 
the Bush tush.






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[FairfieldLife] Rtam bhara pragya

[Michael Dean Goodman]

 > Someone asked:

 > What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for intellect?

In response, choices were offered: buddhi and pragya.

Buddhi = intellect

Pragya = sprouting (pra) of knowledge (gya - as in 'gyan')

Rtam bhara pragya = that most subtle level where knowledge sprouts (1st
appears) in only its radiant state of truth, where name and form are not
yet separate, where knowledge is immediate and pure (not yet separated
from the source), where intellect has hardly become individuated, where
there is no gap between desiring to know something and knowing it, where
the knowledge is, as if, inherent in the question or desire itself.

Dr. Pete asked about how that rtam is experienced:

It can be experienced in at least two ways:

1. When a specific desire for knowledge arises and is instantly and com-
pletely fulfilled - no gap, no waiting, no partial answer, no lack.
Complete identity of question/desire and answer/fulfillment.

2. As a more general experience of omniscience, of being omniscient, of
"sitting" in that place where all knowledge is available, as you need
it (even if no specific question/desire is arising at that moment).

Maharishi Patanjali lists this second one as one of the final siddhis
in the Yoga Sutras - the siddhi of omniscience and omnipotence (III-50).

But first a little preface, before Patanjali takes the stage:

Maharishi once told us an interesting thing.  He said (paraphrased):

It's not difficult to be established in the Self, sitting in some cave
in the Himalayas.  It's all silence there, nothing challenges the Self.
But the real test of how well-established the Self is - is if it is
maintained while you're sitting in a dirty taxi, stuck in a traffic
jam in Manhattan, behind a fume-belching bus.  Self-realization, he
said, has to be tested, tempered, in the world of activity.  Only
then will the fear of "losing it" be dissolved.  We have to see that
nothing in the relative - no negativity, no emotion, no thought, no
activity, no 'impurity', no pleasure, no pain - can challenge it.

That's one motive for the expansion that leads Self-realization to ma-
ture in God-realization (C.C. to G.C.) - to test the stability of the
silent Self, to see if there's anything, any experience, that can "bring
it down".  And the ultimate test is to experience the biggest possible
experience, the experience of God/Goddess.  Can the gripping power of
that ultimate experience - that vastness, that divinity, that bliss,
that intensity of activity, that fullness of power (omnipotence), that
fullness of knowledge (omniscience) - challenge the Self?

For an example of an overshadowing knowledge experience:
Picture in the Gita, when Arjuna asks Lord Krishna to show Arjuna His
true nature, His real form.  Krishna opens His mouth and reveals to
Arjuna the vision of the whole creation - infinite universes, every
relative value from the darkest to the lightest, life/death, creation/
destruction...  Imagine having that experience and not being oversha-
dowed.  To Arjuna, at that stage of his journey to full realization
at the hands of Lord Krishna, it WAS overwhelming, and Arjuna begged
Krishna to revert to his pleasant human form.

Now think of that verse in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras (III-50), toward the
end of all the siddhis, where he lays out the siddhi for omniscience
and omnipotence, the "ultimate" siddhi (because if you have all know-
ledge and all power you could do any other imaginable siddhi!).  The
experience of sitting in that place of omniscience and omnipotence is
the experience of being God.  You can DO anything or KNOW anything -
instantly, effortlessly, at the slightest impulse of thought/desire.
It is very tempting, very difficult to let go of, to "come out" of!

Yet the next verse (III-51) says: "By renunciation of that (omniscience
and omnipotence) even, comes kaivalya (unity, peace)...".  Imagine vol- 
untarilly giving up all power and all knowledge, of not being gripped
by those, of not yielding to temptation even when offered to be God/God-
dess.  The Self, even when tempted by the ultimate in the world of boun-
daries, stands firm in its dedication to remaining Self-referral.

So the Self has to come out, play in the relative, establish it's stabi-
lity in the face of anything in the relative, in order to take the final
steps.  The tender Self eventually has to become the bold Self.  And rtam
bhara pragya is a test of that boldness.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[authfriend]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > Imagine the wrath of Christians if a non-
> > Christian were to say the only new things Jesus brought
> > were evil and inhuman, citing, say, Jesus' instruction
> > to hate one's father and mother!
> > 
> > The big problem was that the pope *did not repudiate*
> > the offensive part of the quote.  He could have made
> > his point about violent jihad just as well if he'd
> > said to start with that he didn't condone the first
> > part.
> > 
> > It's too bad that slip (among others, but that was the
> > worst) was so inflammatory that it was hard to hear
> > the rest of what he said dispassionately.
> > 
> > And he *still* hasn't apologized for it.  All he's
> > said is that he was sorry Muslims were offended by
> > it.
> 
> I just cannot see the speech as offensive. The quotation becomes
> offensive only,  when it is taken out of the context of the whole
> speech. The pope is quoting a Christian Byzantine Emperor, who is 
> trying to challenge an educated Persian by his claims and 
> questions. I have very difficult to imagine that the Christians 
> would feel deeply hurt and offended had the claim been made by a 
> muslim about Christianity. Instead the Christians would have tried 
> to defend their own view by answering to questions of the emperor 
> and trying to refute his claims.

Some might; others would be outraged.  And bear in
mind that there's no one in Islam equivalent to the
pope, with his power and influence and international
status as a religious leader.

> We have also to remember what kind of audience this speech was given
> to. The pope is a former professor of theology, and he was invited 
> to speak at the University of Regensburg. It is a scholarly speach 
> for other scholars. Why do the muslims feel the need to control 
> even what can be expressed in the academia of a western country?

With his prominence as a public figure, the pope
can't just give a scholarly speech for other
scholars and expect it to stay within that context.
Whatever he says is going to be widely reported and
taken to be the official view of the Roman Catholic
Church.

Whether the quote was taken out of context or not, he
should have known better than to use it without
explicitly saying it didn't reflect his own views.
That he did not do so makes him, at the very least,
insensitive.

That's just Public Relations 101.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

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>
> Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to 
> cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 
40 
> years ago.
> 
> Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that 
margarine 
> is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go 
> back to butter.
> 
> The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.
>

This has prolly been up here already, but the melting of the 
permafrost is said to be one of the most alarming things at the 
moment:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725124.500

I believe CO2 is almost nothing compared to methane (CH4) as
a greenhouse gas.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" 
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>
> I just cannot see the speech as offensive. The quotation becomes
> offensive only,  when it is taken out of the context of the whole 
speech.
> The pope is quoting a Christian Byzantine Emperor, who is trying to
> challenge an educated Persian by his claims and questions. 
> I have very difficult to imagine that the Christians would feel 
deeply
> hurt and offended had the claim been made by a muslim about
> Christianity. 

It really depends who holds global power. Muslims feel under attack 
nowadays by Christians, so there is a strong tendency by Muslims to 
feel every slight, real or imagined, because it is the Christians 
who are in power. Those who would view this situation logically or 
dispassionately miss this point. 

There is a popular talk show host on TV in the USA, Dr. Phil McGraw, 
("Dr. Phil") who speaks about 'psychological sunburn'- a phenomenon 
whereby a person or group feel so upset about the practices of 
another, that even expressions that are not offensive, but that 
remind the upset group of abuse, are only dealt with by outbursts of 
violence and anger.

The situation isn't helped any by those in the West who then point 
to this logically misplaced anger and declare the angry group as 
extremists and madmen.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[Irmeli Mattsson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" 
>  wrote:
> 
> > In my opinion the pope addresses this issue in the speech relatively
> > tactfully by a quotation of the issue that he sees to be at the core
> > of the problem.
> 
> Just so we know what we're talking about here,
> this is the quotation that has angered Muslims
> (from an AP report on Yahoo! News):
> 
> "In his speech on Tuesday, Benedict quoted from a book recounting a 
> conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel 
> Paleologos II and an educated Persian on the truths of Christianity 
> and Islam.
> 
> "'The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war,' the 
> pope said. 'He said, I quote, "Show me just what Muhammad brought 
> that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, 
> such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."'"
> 
> Whatever the truth of the last part of the sentence
> (and it's not quite the slam-dunk some seem to think),
> it's the first part that is so offensive to Muslims:
> the only new things Muhammad brought were evil and
> inhuman.  It's not hard to grasp why that has aroused
> such fury.  Imagine the wrath of Christians if a non-
> Christian were to say the only new things Jesus brought
> were evil and inhuman, citing, say, Jesus' instruction
> to hate one's father and mother!
> 
> The big problem was that the pope *did not repudiate*
> the offensive part of the quote.  He could have made
> his point about violent jihad just as well if he'd
> said to start with that he didn't condone the first
> part.
> 
> It's too bad that slip (among others, but that was the
> worst) was so inflammatory that it was hard to hear
> the rest of what he said dispassionately.
> 
> And he *still* hasn't apologized for it.  All he's
> said is that he was sorry Muslims were offended by
> it.
>

I just cannot see the speech as offensive. The quotation becomes
offensive only,  when it is taken out of the context of the whole speech.
The pope is quoting a Christian Byzantine Emperor, who is trying to
challenge an educated Persian by his claims and questions. 
I have very difficult to imagine that the Christians would feel deeply
hurt and offended had the claim been made by a muslim about
Christianity. Instead the Christians would have tried to defend their
own view by answering to questions of the emperor and trying to refute
his claims.

We have also to remember what kind of audience this speech was given
to. The pope is a former professor of theology, and he was invited to
speak at the University of Regensburg.
It is a scholarly speach for other scholars. Why do the muslims feel
the need to control even what can be expressed in the academia of a
western country?

Irmeli






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The Pope's recent speech the Muslims feel so agitated about is really
> very good. It is about the old historical connection Christianity in
> its essence has to reason due to strong Hellenistic influences from
> the times of the inception of Christianity. He also mentions that this
> adherence to reason has not always been a lived reality in
> Christianity especially during the Middle Ages. He states that Europe
> has got moulded to what it is nowadays under a strong influence of a
> Christian religion that sees God revealing himself as logos. "In the
> beginning was the logos, and the logos is God", declares Evangelist John.
> In Islam the understanding the idea of likeness between our reason and
> that of God's is missing. There God's transcendence and otherness are
> so exalted that our reason, our sense of true and good are not an
> authentic mirror of God.
> 
> The link:
> http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/
documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html
> 
> 
> Irmeli
>

Yep, nothing in that talk could be cnosidered an attack on Isalm or Maohammed...

I mean, just because this is the keynote quote for his speech shouldn't be 
taken as a sign 
that he agrees with it. In fact, it is obvious that he does, despite any 
prevarication he may 
make now...:



"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find 
things only 
evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he 
preached"







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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> On Sep 17, 2006, at 12:05 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > If you can provide examples where the electoral college and 
senate
> > system (as well as jerrymandering, corrupt campaign finance and
> > lobbying, out-of-distric funding of local elections) etc, helps 
any
> > minorities in the US in substantive and sustained ways, I would 
give
> > your arguments more credence and support.
> 
> They don't, in fact institutions and practices like that do 
everything 
> in their power to suppress minority rights and voices, something 
which 
> Shemp supports wholeheartedly, since he is not directly affected.  
He 
> uses those and other such arguments as diversionary tactics.
> 
> Sal
>


Sal:

You remind me of Judy...without the I.Q.







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[FairfieldLife] Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering

[shempmcgurk]

Used to be that margarine was touted by science as the solution to 
cholesteral-packing heart-attack-creating butter.  That was about 40 
years ago.

Today, it's the complete opposite: scientists tell us that margarine 
is one of the most unhealthy things to put in our bodies and to go 
back to butter.

The global warming fearmongering going on now is today's margarine.






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[FairfieldLife] Question for Rick

[shempmcgurk]

why can't your involvement with Amma be considered a religion?

If it was, wouldn't that be the same as, say, being a Catholic...which 
would mean that the TMO couldn't have any objection to it?

Where is the dividing line between a TMer giving another "saint" their 
business and practising a religion?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/17/06 10:17 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , "shempmcgurk" 
> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >>> 
> >>> >> , t3rinity  wrote:
>  >>> 
>  >>> http://tinyurl.com/fehwp
>  >>> 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.
> >>> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > And whats with that huge Northwest facing set of buildings -- 
not on
> >> > the N/S axis like the other buildings (allowing huge east 
entrances)
> > 
> That¹s an old monastery that has been there since pre-WWII. The 
Nazis used
> to use it. So did the TMO, until SV came along. The TMO wants to 
destroy it,
> but the locals won¹t let them.
>


...which leads to an interesting question:

Remember when the Taliban were in power in Afghanistan and they was 
an outcry from the world community when they bombed away those 
wonderful Buddhist faces on the side of a mountain?

I wonder: were those Buddhist sculptures facing East or West?

And am out of line drawing a parallel between what the Taliban did 
and what the TMO desires to do with the monastery?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop





on 9/17/06 10:17 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
>> , t3rinity  wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/fehwp
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.
>> 
> 
> And whats with that huge Northwest facing set of buildings -- not on
> the N/S axis like the other buildings (allowing huge east entrances) 

That’s an old monastery that has been there since pre-WWII. The Nazis used to use it. So did the TMO, until SV came along. The TMO wants to destroy it, but the locals won’t let them.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orono Maine course

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orono Maine course





on 9/17/06 8:24 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Now I remember, Tom Duffy.  Very entertaining lecturer.  I knew his ex
Suzy years later.  

I see Tom twice a year. He’s doing great. He’s a real estate agent in New Hampshire. I also see Bobby Lee’s wife and son (at Amma events). His son looks a lot like him.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , "curtisdeltablues"
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> My first week long residence course was in Orono, 74 or 75 or maybe
> both.  Charlie D was very intense but I really enjoyed his lectures. 
> Where is he now, Amherst  Mass?  

Northampton. I was working for an organization that raises money for political organizations, but that moved it’s offices. Now he just teaches some courses at local colleges. 

>Did you give any general lectures
> Rick?  I can't remember if I saw you there.  

I did a morning meeting including a checking session.

>Doug Henning had hitched
> up to Maine with a hot chick from his first Tonight Show appearance .
>  He performed at the talent show.  

Funny I don’t remember that. Summer of ‘73? Andy Kauffman gave a great performance. Had everyone dying of laughter. Jerry Jarvis also came.

>My initiator was Joe Smith, do you
> remember Joe and Carol from the early days?  

No.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> If you can provide examples where the electoral college and senate
> system (as well as jerrymandering,



Again, I'm not a supporter of jerrymandering, but one of the most 
prevalent uses of jerrymandering of the past 40 years in the USA has 
been to protect a minority and provide them with an opportunity for 
electoral representation.

I'm talking of course about the African-American community in which 
many, many districts are jerrymandered according to census tracks in 
order for the opportunity for majority or plurality Black votes to 
elect Black members of Congress.





> corrupt campaign finance and
> lobbying, out-of-distric funding of local elections) etc, helps any
> minorities in the US in substantive and sustained ways, I would 
give
> your arguments more credence and support. 
> 
> A proposal that would actually be in the direction of protecting
> minority rights (and one needs to first make a case that rights are
> being violated) would be to guarantee all native americans of 50% 
or
> greater NA heredity living on reservations 10-20 house seats. And
> perhaps 30 seats to all living below 15,000 / income.  Then the
> structure would appear, at least on the surface to protect 
minority*
> or more importantly, underpriveledged rights. i might tend to 
support
> such a system, if we could reform the other non-democratic aspects 
of
> US political system.
> 
> * I don't see reasons to absolutely focus on "minority rights" if 
such
> are not being abused. Asian indians or japanese imigrants are a
> minority but seem to do quite well in the US. Why give a particular
> minority class special priviledges if they are as a class already
> quite priviledged?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > > It's not so much a globbing on to power as it is a protection 
> > > against the misuse of power by a majority.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> If you can provide examples where the electoral college and senate
> system (as well as jerrymandering, corrupt campaign finance and
> lobbying, out-of-distric funding of local elections) etc, helps any
> minorities in the US in substantive and sustained ways, I would 
give
> your arguments more credence and support. 




First all of, I'm still waiting for YOU to tell us where in the 
world the one-man-one-vote rule -- which you claim is the standard --
 exists.

As for jerrymandering, I specifically said I didn't support 
that...so why are you asking me for examples of it?  As for the 
other things, I didn't mean to give you the impression that I 
thought they were for supporting minorities.

I'm obviously NOT for corruption in campaign financing or any other 
area of life.  But it's quite a subjective thing in the area of 
campaign financing to claim that this or that practise is "corrupt".

I'm for laissez-faire in this area.  I don't give a rat's ass how 
much is spent or by whom in any campaign.  In this day and age of 
the internet, if people are going to be fooled by a TV campaign ad, 
then they will get the government they deserve.

Campaign finance laws do more damage than good.







> 
> A proposal that would actually be in the direction of protecting
> minority rights (and one needs to first make a case that rights are
> being violated) would be to guarantee all native americans of 50% 
or
> greater NA heredity living on reservations 10-20 house seats. And
> perhaps 30 seats to all living below 15,000 / income.  Then the
> structure would appear, at least on the surface to protect 
minority*
> or more importantly, underpriveledged rights. i might tend to 
support
> such a system, if we could reform the other non-democratic aspects 
of
> US political system.
> 
> * I don't see reasons to absolutely focus on "minority rights" if 
such
> are not being abused. Asian indians or japanese imigrants are a
> minority but seem to do quite well in the US. Why give a particular
> minority class special priviledges if they are as a class already
> quite priviledged?




I'm not necessarily for or against minority protections.  I brought 
up that example to counter your sweeping claim that one-man-one-vote 
was the "standard" for democracy when it clearly isn't.

By the way, I'm still waiting for some examples of this standard.







> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > > It's not so much a globbing on to power as it is a protection 
> > > against the misuse of power by a majority.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> On Sep 17, 2006, at 12:05 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > If you can provide examples where the electoral college and 
senate
> > system (as well as jerrymandering, corrupt campaign finance and
> > lobbying, out-of-distric funding of local elections) etc, helps 
any
> > minorities in the US in substantive and sustained ways, I would 
give
> > your arguments more credence and support.
> 
> They don't, in fact institutions and practices like that do 
everything 
> in their power to suppress minority rights and voices, something 
which 
> Shemp supports wholeheartedly, since he is not directly affected.  
He 
> uses those and other such arguments as diversionary tactics.
> 
> Sal
>


Vermont and Rhode Island disagree with you.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying on a trampoline?

[curtisdeltablues]

"...even in floating, the muscles will be involved."

Thighs flapping like wings perhaps?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > When I suggested on a Finnish Usenet physics group that
> > the original asymmetric Maxwellian EM equations -- of which
> > I don't of course understand nuttin, mathematicswise -- might explain 
> > yogic flying, someone proposed that the YFfers try to "fly" on
> > a loose trampoline or somesuch, to rule out the effect of muscles. I 
> > said I thought that was a good idea.
> >
> 
> The standard TM explanatin currently (as of 1984) is that the
muscles are involved in 
> hopping, and in fact, even in floating, the muscles will be involved.
>







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 17, 2006, at 12:05 PM, new.morning wrote:

> If you can provide examples where the electoral college and senate
> system (as well as jerrymandering, corrupt campaign finance and
> lobbying, out-of-distric funding of local elections) etc, helps any
> minorities in the US in substantive and sustained ways, I would give
> your arguments more credence and support.

They don't, in fact institutions and practices like that do everything 
in their power to suppress minority rights and voices, something which 
Shemp supports wholeheartedly, since he is not directly affected.  He 
uses those and other such arguments as diversionary tactics.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[new . morning]

If you can provide examples where the electoral college and senate
system (as well as jerrymandering, corrupt campaign finance and
lobbying, out-of-distric funding of local elections) etc, helps any
minorities in the US in substantive and sustained ways, I would give
your arguments more credence and support. 

A proposal that would actually be in the direction of protecting
minority rights (and one needs to first make a case that rights are
being violated) would be to guarantee all native americans of 50% or
greater NA heredity living on reservations 10-20 house seats. And
perhaps 30 seats to all living below 15,000 / income.  Then the
structure would appear, at least on the surface to protect minority*
or more importantly, underpriveledged rights. i might tend to support
such a system, if we could reform the other non-democratic aspects of
US political system.

* I don't see reasons to absolutely focus on "minority rights" if such
are not being abused. Asian indians or japanese imigrants are a
minority but seem to do quite well in the US. Why give a particular
minority class special priviledges if they are as a class already
quite priviledged?





>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> > It's not so much a globbing on to power as it is a protection 
> > against the misuse of power by a majority.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > your argument appears to be that those who can glob onto more 
power
> > > over others, relative to their population, will do so.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's not so much a globbing on to power as it is a protection 
> > against the misuse of power by a majority.
> 
> So says the minority globbing on to power.
> 
> I think baisc protections for minorityes are needed in 
constitution,
> but that doesn't mean every minory should have unequal voting 
power.
> TMers are a minority, why should we have 100x the voting power of
> otehrs. Blues guitarists are a minority, why shouldn't they hav 
100x
> the voting power of others. Smart people are a minority, why 
shouldn't
> they have 100x voting power? And ergo, why should smart, TMing 
blues
> guitarists have 1,000,000 (10^3) voting power?
> 
> So give minority more voting power so it can misue power over the
> majority?
>  
> > "Tyranny of the majority" is also "globbing onto more power" and 
is 
> > one that can run roughshod over minorities.
> 
> The power you talking about is funding and allocation power over 
tax
> dollars, IMO. Its raw power grabs. Thus, push gov't programs to 
lowest
> possible level of decentralization, IMO. But a big gov't central
> planning type like you might disagree. :)
> 
>  
> > You huffily,
> 
> No, you huffiliy heard, apparently
> 
>  proclaimed that because of it's absense of pure one-man-
> > one-vote, the U.S. is a "democratic back water". I pointed out 
to 
> > you that democracy is more than just one-man-one-vote and 
> > concessions to this don't necessarily mean an abandonment of 
> > democracy nor because democratic principles are ignored.
> 
> So its less democratic. I didnt say US was totally dsevoid of
> democracy.




Oh, I think the use of the words "democratic backwater" 
and "backwater of darkness and corruption" and "black shroud of 
darkness choking American democracy" comes pretty close.







> But more than not, ruled by entrenched powers.
> 
> So you support electoral college,





Yes.





> jerryrigging house districts,




No.






> out of
> state funding for local elections,






Doesn't bother me in the slightest








> corrupt campaign finance and
> lobbying rules, etc?






Anything less than laissez-faire in the area of campaign finances 
bothers me.








> Because these are among the major things for
> which I advocated reform
> 
> > 
> > Protection of the weak and minorities is hardly "darkness and 
> > corruption".
> 
> If you want to create strawmen, and make arguemnts totally black 
and
> white, have a great go at it, if that amuses you. I am interested 
in
> serious discussion, not polemics.





I see.

And your "darkness", "backwater" etc. comments are...what...examples 
of maturity?







> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> >  No huge insight
> > > there. The question is whether a democracy of one-person one 
vote 
> > is
> > > more reflective of the will of the people than systems where 
some
> > > peoples vote count 10x, sometimes 100x of others.
> > > 
> > > Let Canadians do what they will. In the US, I advocate one-
person 
> > one
> > > vote. And the abolishment of hugely distortianal systems like 
the
> > > electoral college which not only distorts the will of the 
popular 
> > vote
> > > (Gore 2000) but makes all but a handful states mere observers, 
not
> > > participants in national elections. I lived in California most 
of 
> > my
> > > life. In memory, few presidential candidates ever visited or 
spent
> > > energy in California. What kind of system is that where the 
most
> > > populous state, the largest state economy, and some would 
venture 
> > the
> > > most creative, innovation and research-focussed state, is 
basically
> > > excluded from presidential systems. 
> > > 
> > > Blame the election on Iowans! :)
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning 
 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Americans as a whole don't care whether the people 
in the
> > > > > > > > Third World live or die. That's why they elect 
leaders
> > > > > > > > who don't care whether these people live or die and 
who
> > > > > > > > design and implement their global strategies 
accordingly.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well, no, not "Americans as a whole."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > More than 51 million Americans voted *against*
> > > > > > > George Bush in 2000; more than 59 million voted
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying on a trampoline?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> When I suggested on a Finnish Usenet physics group that
> the original asymmetric Maxwellian EM equations -- of which
> I don't of course understand nuttin, mathematicswise -- might explain 
> yogic flying, someone proposed that the YFfers try to "fly" on
> a loose trampoline or somesuch, to rule out the effect of muscles. I 
> said I thought that was a good idea.
>

The standard TM explanatin currently (as of 1984) is that the muscles are 
involved in 
hopping, and in fact, even in floating, the muscles will be involved.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > 
> > > Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved enough
> > > to handle democracy and need a Saddam
> > 
> > Who has said that?  Can you give us *just one* name
> > and quote?
> >
> 
> 
> Strangely, I have a Kuwaiti friend who has said exactly this.
> 
> Her family and friends went through hell when Saddam invaded Kuwait in 
> 1990 (she was here in America through it all), and the Americans saved 
> them.  Yet she was dead-set against invading and toppling Saddam in 
> 2003.  She is incredibly anti-Bush.
>

Have you asked why?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying on a trampoline?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> When I suggested on a Finnish Usenet physics group that
> the original asymmetric Maxwellian EM equations -- of which
> I don't of course understand nuttin, mathematicswise -- might explain 
> yogic flying, someone proposed that the YFfers try to "fly" on
> a loose trampoline or somesuch, to rule out the effect of muscles. I 
> said I thought that was a good idea.

Oh yeah!  What an exciting demo of yogic flying that would be!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 17, 2006, at 8:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > Gotta agree. I currently live in France, which has MORE
> > than its share of problems. They're *also* a remarkably
> > Self Important culture. But one of the things they are
> > NOT is apathetic.
> Any culture which invented the croissant, cappucino, and Freedom Fries 
> has my vote...even if they can't speak American or even French. :)
> 
> > If a president of France had tried to
> > fuck with the French people basic rights one tenth as
> > greviously as Bush has fucked with Americans' basic rights,
> > the entire population of France would have been out on the
> > streets in protest. The country would have shut down and
> > would not have moved again until the government rescinded
> > its actions.
> 
> Presumably they never would have elected an illiterate moron to begin 
> with...let alone a whole group of them.
> 
> Sal
>

Bush isn't illiterate. Nor is he a moron. He literally likes to play one on TV, 
however.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > your argument appears to be that those who can glob onto more power
> > over others, relative to their population, will do so.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It's not so much a globbing on to power as it is a protection 
> against the misuse of power by a majority.

So says the minority globbing on to power.

I think baisc protections for minorityes are needed in constitution,
but that doesn't mean every minory should have unequal voting power.
TMers are a minority, why should we have 100x the voting power of
otehrs. Blues guitarists are a minority, why shouldn't they hav 100x
the voting power of others. Smart people are a minority, why shouldn't
they have 100x voting power? And ergo, why should smart, TMing blues
guitarists have 1,000,000 (10^3) voting power?

So give minority more voting power so it can misue power over the
majority?
 
> "Tyranny of the majority" is also "globbing onto more power" and is 
> one that can run roughshod over minorities.

The power you talking about is funding and allocation power over tax
dollars, IMO. Its raw power grabs. Thus, push gov't programs to lowest
possible level of decentralization, IMO. But a big gov't central
planning type like you might disagree. :)

 
> You huffily,

No, you huffiliy heard, apparently

 proclaimed that because of it's absense of pure one-man-
> one-vote, the U.S. is a "democratic back water". I pointed out to 
> you that democracy is more than just one-man-one-vote and 
> concessions to this don't necessarily mean an abandonment of 
> democracy nor because democratic principles are ignored.

So its less democratic. I didnt say US was totally dsevoid of
democracy. But more than not, ruled by entrenched powers.

So you support electoral college, jerryrigging house districts, out of
state funding for local elections, corrupt campaign finance and
lobbying rules, etc? Because these are among the major things for
which I advocated reform

> 
> Protection of the weak and minorities is hardly "darkness and 
> corruption".

If you want to create strawmen, and make arguemnts totally black and
white, have a great go at it, if that amuses you. I am interested in
serious discussion, not polemics.


> 
> 
>  No huge insight
> > there. The question is whether a democracy of one-person one vote 
> is
> > more reflective of the will of the people than systems where some
> > peoples vote count 10x, sometimes 100x of others.
> > 
> > Let Canadians do what they will. In the US, I advocate one-person 
> one
> > vote. And the abolishment of hugely distortianal systems like the
> > electoral college which not only distorts the will of the popular 
> vote
> > (Gore 2000) but makes all but a handful states mere observers, not
> > participants in national elections. I lived in California most of 
> my
> > life. In memory, few presidential candidates ever visited or spent
> > energy in California. What kind of system is that where the most
> > populous state, the largest state economy, and some would venture 
> the
> > most creative, innovation and research-focussed state, is basically
> > excluded from presidential systems. 
> > 
> > Blame the election on Iowans! :)
> >  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Americans as a whole don't care whether the people in the
> > > > > > > Third World live or die. That's why they elect leaders
> > > > > > > who don't care whether these people live or die and who
> > > > > > > design and implement their global strategies accordingly.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, no, not "Americans as a whole."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > More than 51 million Americans voted *against*
> > > > > > George Bush in 2000; more than 59 million voted
> > > > > > against him in 2004.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Unfortunately only around 60 percent of those
> > > > > > eligible to vote actually voted in 2004, so we
> > > > > > don't know how the rest felt.  But we *do* know
> > > > > > that less than a third of voters actually pulled
> > > > > > the lever for Bush.
> > > > > 
> > > > > We DO know how those who didn't vote felt.
> > > > > 
> > > > > They didn't care enough even to vote.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Therefore in effect they voted.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bush is President because the American people
> > > > > caused him to be there, via comission or omission.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Your "theory" appears to presume the US is a pure democracy -- 
> one
> > > > person, one vote. While that is the standard throughout much 
> of the
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> your argument appears to be that those who can glob onto more power
> over others, relative to their population, will do so. No huge 
insight
> there. The question is whether a democracy of one-person one vote 
is
> more reflective of the will of the people than systems where some
> peoples vote count 10x, sometimes 100x of others.
> 
> Let Canadians do what they will. In the US, I advocate one-person 
one
> vote. And the abolishment of hugely distortianal systems like the
> electoral college which not only distorts the will of the popular 
vote
> (Gore 2000) but makes all but a handful states mere observers, not
> participants in national elections. I lived in California most of 
my
> life. In memory, few presidential candidates ever visited or spent
> energy in California. What kind of system is that where the most
> populous state, the largest state economy, and some would venture 
the
> most creative, innovation and research-focussed state, is basically
> excluded from presidential systems. 
> 
> Blame the election on Iowans! :)




I ask you again:  Where is one-man-one-vote -- which you claim is 
the standard almost everywhere -- the standard?





>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Americans as a whole don't care whether the people in the
> > > > > > Third World live or die. That's why they elect leaders
> > > > > > who don't care whether these people live or die and who
> > > > > > design and implement their global strategies accordingly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, no, not "Americans as a whole."
> > > > > 
> > > > > More than 51 million Americans voted *against*
> > > > > George Bush in 2000; more than 59 million voted
> > > > > against him in 2004.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unfortunately only around 60 percent of those
> > > > > eligible to vote actually voted in 2004, so we
> > > > > don't know how the rest felt.  But we *do* know
> > > > > that less than a third of voters actually pulled
> > > > > the lever for Bush.
> > > > 
> > > > We DO know how those who didn't vote felt.
> > > > 
> > > > They didn't care enough even to vote.
> > > > 
> > > > Therefore in effect they voted.
> > > > 
> > > > Bush is President because the American people
> > > > caused him to be there, via comission or omission.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Your "theory" appears to presume the US is a pure democracy -- 
one
> > > person, one vote. While that is the standard throughout much 
of the
> > > civilized world
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, really?
> > 
> > Tell us where this is a standard, please.
> > 
> > Often, the "one-man-one-vote" standard is purposely NOT built 
into a 
> > country's democratic system.
> > 
> > For example, where you have minorities, the one-man-one-vote 
> > principal can wipe out their individual and minority rights and, 
> > often, a country's constitution will provide protections for 
them.  
> > In Canada where I'm from, the constitution provided certain 
> > minorities guaranteed minimum seats in pariament, despite their 
> > dwindling numbers or their percentage of the population.
> > 
> > The most blatant example of that is the tiny Island of Prince 
Edward 
> > Island with a population of about 150,000.  The Canadian 
> > constitution guarantees them 4 seats in the federal parliament 
> > whereas if it were done on the basis of one-man-one-vote they'd 
get 
> > less than one.
> > 
> > And one of the big complaints by provinces such as Alberta is 
that 
> > the one-man-one-vote principle is grossly unfair to them in ther 
> > federal parliament.  Alberta didn't exist when Canada and its 
> > constitution were created in 1867.  Today, relative to Ontario 
and 
> > Quebec, Alberta and B.C. have little population and have no hope 
of 
> > being a majority in parliament.  Capture the votes of just 
Ontario 
> > and some of Quebec and the other 8 provinces can be ignored. And 
> > that's why separation is not just a Quebec phenomenon but an 
Alberta 
> > one as well.
> > 
> > Indeed, Alberta has been crying for decades for precisely the 
sort 
> > of thing that you rail against below: the distortion of and 
> > antithesis of one-man-one-vote...that is, a Senate with equal 
> > provincial representation in a bicameral legislature.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > the US is a democratic back water.
> > > 
> > > It remains a backwater of darkness and corruption due to i) the
> > > electoral college (Gore won in 2000 -- the was the true 
reflection 
> > of
> > > US will), ii) a bi-cameral system of legislature where one 
house is
> > > the antithesis o

[FairfieldLife] Flying on a trampoline?

[cardemaister]

When I suggested on a Finnish Usenet physics group that
the original asymmetric Maxwellian EM equations -- of which
I don't of course understand nuttin, mathematicswise -- might explain 
yogic flying, someone proposed that the YFfers try to "fly" on
a loose trampoline or somesuch, to rule out the effect of muscles. I 
said I thought that was a good idea.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 17, 2006, at 2:31 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The current conflict continues as long as the West thinks that by
> >> killing enough of the third world people, we can force the rest into
> >> submission and servitude. It isn't working, nor will it.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Is this really how the majority of people and the politicians in the
> > USA think?
> 
> OF course not.  What do you think?  A few lunatics on the right do, and 
> unfortunately they've cheated and bullied their way into power.  It 
> won't last, it never does.
> 
> > Certainly not in Europe and by no means in Finland. Here I feel we are
> > too understanding of everything people in the Muslim world do and we
> > don't dare to criticize their values and moral thinking. They are seen
> > as just the poor victims.
> 
> Not a particularly healthy attitude.
> >
> > I don't think they are in the first place victims. I think they are a
> > culture and religion in deep crisis.  Something developmental arrest
> > there must be, when big parts of people live in deep poverty in spite
> > of the huge oil riches, and their attitudes and values are on the
> > level people in Europe had in medieval times.
> 
> Yes, it's pathetic and a huge waste of resources, both material and 
> intellectual.

It goes back to Western manipulation of non-Western civilizations (not that the 
non-
Western civilization don't indulge as well). We (Brits, US, Europe, USSR) have 
supported 
very nasty regimes in the Middle East for generations in order to control the 
oil, the 
geography, etc. Those same regimes see the writing on the wall as far as their 
power goes 
because the world will quite soon (within the next century) go to a post-oil 
economy, and 
theyare fighting to stay in power. 

Staying in power doesn't mean creating an educated citizenry.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> your argument appears to be that those who can glob onto more power
> over others, relative to their population, will do so.





It's not so much a globbing on to power as it is a protection 
against the misuse of power by a majority.

"Tyranny of the majority" is also "globbing onto more power" and is 
one that can run roughshod over minorities.

You huffily proclaimed that because of it's absense of pure one-man-
one-vote, the U.S. is a "democratic back water".  I pointed out to 
you that democracy is more than just one-man-one-vote and 
concessions to this don't necessarily mean an abandonment of 
democracy nor because democratic principles are ignored.

Protection of the weak and minorities is hardly "darkness and 
corruption".






 No huge insight
> there. The question is whether a democracy of one-person one vote 
is
> more reflective of the will of the people than systems where some
> peoples vote count 10x, sometimes 100x of others.
> 
> Let Canadians do what they will. In the US, I advocate one-person 
one
> vote. And the abolishment of hugely distortianal systems like the
> electoral college which not only distorts the will of the popular 
vote
> (Gore 2000) but makes all but a handful states mere observers, not
> participants in national elections. I lived in California most of 
my
> life. In memory, few presidential candidates ever visited or spent
> energy in California. What kind of system is that where the most
> populous state, the largest state economy, and some would venture 
the
> most creative, innovation and research-focussed state, is basically
> excluded from presidential systems. 
> 
> Blame the election on Iowans! :)
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Americans as a whole don't care whether the people in the
> > > > > > Third World live or die. That's why they elect leaders
> > > > > > who don't care whether these people live or die and who
> > > > > > design and implement their global strategies accordingly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, no, not "Americans as a whole."
> > > > > 
> > > > > More than 51 million Americans voted *against*
> > > > > George Bush in 2000; more than 59 million voted
> > > > > against him in 2004.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unfortunately only around 60 percent of those
> > > > > eligible to vote actually voted in 2004, so we
> > > > > don't know how the rest felt.  But we *do* know
> > > > > that less than a third of voters actually pulled
> > > > > the lever for Bush.
> > > > 
> > > > We DO know how those who didn't vote felt.
> > > > 
> > > > They didn't care enough even to vote.
> > > > 
> > > > Therefore in effect they voted.
> > > > 
> > > > Bush is President because the American people
> > > > caused him to be there, via comission or omission.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Your "theory" appears to presume the US is a pure democracy -- 
one
> > > person, one vote. While that is the standard throughout much 
of the
> > > civilized world
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, really?
> > 
> > Tell us where this is a standard, please.
> > 
> > Often, the "one-man-one-vote" standard is purposely NOT built 
into a 
> > country's democratic system.
> > 
> > For example, where you have minorities, the one-man-one-vote 
> > principal can wipe out their individual and minority rights and, 
> > often, a country's constitution will provide protections for 
them.  
> > In Canada where I'm from, the constitution provided certain 
> > minorities guaranteed minimum seats in pariament, despite their 
> > dwindling numbers or their percentage of the population.
> > 
> > The most blatant example of that is the tiny Island of Prince 
Edward 
> > Island with a population of about 150,000.  The Canadian 
> > constitution guarantees them 4 seats in the federal parliament 
> > whereas if it were done on the basis of one-man-one-vote they'd 
get 
> > less than one.
> > 
> > And one of the big complaints by provinces such as Alberta is 
that 
> > the one-man-one-vote principle is grossly unfair to them in ther 
> > federal parliament.  Alberta didn't exist when Canada and its 
> > constitution were created in 1867.  Today, relative to Ontario 
and 
> > Quebec, Alberta and B.C. have little population and have no hope 
of 
> > being a majority in parliament.  Capture the votes of just 
Ontario 
> > and some of Quebec and the other 8 provinces can be ignored. And 
> > that's why separation is not just a Quebec phenomenon but an 
Alberta 
> > one as well.
> > 
> > Indeed, Alberta has been crying for decades for precisely the 
sort 
> > of thing that you rail again

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> 
> > The current conflict continues as long as the West thinks that 
by 
> > killing enough of the third world people, we can force the rest 
into 
> > submission and servitude. It isn't working, nor will it. 
> > 
> 
> 
> Is this really how the majority of people and the politicians in 
the
> USA think?
> Certainly not in Europe and by no means in Finland. Here I feel we 
are
> too understanding of everything people in the Muslim world do and 
we
> don't dare to criticize their values and moral thinking. They are 
seen
> as just the poor victims.

There is that well known saying,"Actions speak louder than words."

The politicians are there to carry out the will of those in power 
and placate the people. Behind the scenes in the US and in Europe 
the imperial agenda is still very much in place. The palatable lies 
told to the populace to make them believe in 'kinder and gentler' 
leaders are calculated to prevent us from seeing the geopolitical 
reality. If you stop listening to the politicians and just observe 
for a little while, you may see an entirely different picture than 
those spouting empty words would have you believe.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Am I like Einstein? ; )

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Since the deepest point of rest during TM i s a state where you don't 
notice *ANYTHING* at 
> all, Iwouldn't worry about not noticing your hands getting warmer...
>

Well, earlier my hands tended to be cold, nowadays
they are lukewarm ans somewhat sweaty almost all the time. I guess
that can be considered progress, but I still have a long way to go.
Or is that perhaps a sign of pitta imbalance?





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[FairfieldLife] YF and COP > 1.0?

[cardemaister]

http://tinyurl.com/m9uph

1.0 Introduction to the Problem:  Considerable confusion appears to 
exist with respect to the definition of the efficiency (å) of an 
energy system or energy process versus the definition of its 
coefficient of performance (COP).  Thus, the purpose of this paper is 
to show the distinction and the relationship between these two 
important concepts. 


2.0 Assumptions:  For the development of this problem the following 
definitions are needed to clarify the energy flow concepts necessary 
for a logical understanding of the thermodynamic energy processes 
involved:

a) An energy process is an entity that accepts input energy, 
transforms or converts the energy to a different form (producing 
work), and outputs useful energy.

b) An energy system is a set of two or more energy processes, 
operating in series and/or parallel, such that the final output is 
useful energy.

c) An energy system or energy process may be in equilibrium with its 
environment (i.e. energy input from environment equals energy output 
to environment) or far from equilibrium with its environment (i.e. 
energy input from environment differs from energy output to 
environment).  [Note: Hereafter, the word "system" shall be used 
for "system or process".] 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[new . morning]

your argument appears to be that those who can glob onto more power
over others, relative to their population, will do so. No huge insight
there. The question is whether a democracy of one-person one vote is
more reflective of the will of the people than systems where some
peoples vote count 10x, sometimes 100x of others.

Let Canadians do what they will. In the US, I advocate one-person one
vote. And the abolishment of hugely distortianal systems like the
electoral college which not only distorts the will of the popular vote
(Gore 2000) but makes all but a handful states mere observers, not
participants in national elections. I lived in California most of my
life. In memory, few presidential candidates ever visited or spent
energy in California. What kind of system is that where the most
populous state, the largest state economy, and some would venture the
most creative, innovation and research-focussed state, is basically
excluded from presidential systems. 

Blame the election on Iowans! :)
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Americans as a whole don't care whether the people in the
> > > > > Third World live or die. That's why they elect leaders
> > > > > who don't care whether these people live or die and who
> > > > > design and implement their global strategies accordingly.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, no, not "Americans as a whole."
> > > > 
> > > > More than 51 million Americans voted *against*
> > > > George Bush in 2000; more than 59 million voted
> > > > against him in 2004.
> > > > 
> > > > Unfortunately only around 60 percent of those
> > > > eligible to vote actually voted in 2004, so we
> > > > don't know how the rest felt.  But we *do* know
> > > > that less than a third of voters actually pulled
> > > > the lever for Bush.
> > > 
> > > We DO know how those who didn't vote felt.
> > > 
> > > They didn't care enough even to vote.
> > > 
> > > Therefore in effect they voted.
> > > 
> > > Bush is President because the American people
> > > caused him to be there, via comission or omission.
> > 
> > 
> > Your "theory" appears to presume the US is a pure democracy -- one
> > person, one vote. While that is the standard throughout much of the
> > civilized world
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Oh, really?
> 
> Tell us where this is a standard, please.
> 
> Often, the "one-man-one-vote" standard is purposely NOT built into a 
> country's democratic system.
> 
> For example, where you have minorities, the one-man-one-vote 
> principal can wipe out their individual and minority rights and, 
> often, a country's constitution will provide protections for them.  
> In Canada where I'm from, the constitution provided certain 
> minorities guaranteed minimum seats in pariament, despite their 
> dwindling numbers or their percentage of the population.
> 
> The most blatant example of that is the tiny Island of Prince Edward 
> Island with a population of about 150,000.  The Canadian 
> constitution guarantees them 4 seats in the federal parliament 
> whereas if it were done on the basis of one-man-one-vote they'd get 
> less than one.
> 
> And one of the big complaints by provinces such as Alberta is that 
> the one-man-one-vote principle is grossly unfair to them in ther 
> federal parliament.  Alberta didn't exist when Canada and its 
> constitution were created in 1867.  Today, relative to Ontario and 
> Quebec, Alberta and B.C. have little population and have no hope of 
> being a majority in parliament.  Capture the votes of just Ontario 
> and some of Quebec and the other 8 provinces can be ignored. And 
> that's why separation is not just a Quebec phenomenon but an Alberta 
> one as well.
> 
> Indeed, Alberta has been crying for decades for precisely the sort 
> of thing that you rail against below: the distortion of and 
> antithesis of one-man-one-vote...that is, a Senate with equal 
> provincial representation in a bicameral legislature.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > the US is a democratic back water.
> > 
> > It remains a backwater of darkness and corruption due to i) the
> > electoral college (Gore won in 2000 -- the was the true reflection 
> of
> > US will), ii) a bi-cameral system of legislature where one house is
> > the antithesis of  one persone, one vote, and the other is so 
> rigged
> > (jerrymandering) that only 10% or so of races are actually 
> competitive
> > -- that is -- democratic. The rest of the races are simple
> > power-maintnenace by entrenched "rulers". Further, out-of-state
> > contribution to local races, corrupt lobbying rules and campaign
> > finance, and no centralized national election rules -- allowing 
> local
> > corruption (Ohio, Florida, Kat

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> On Sep 17, 2006, at 10:19 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 17, 2006, at 8:19 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >>
> >>> What you're seeing in the Arab world, in my opinion,
> >>> is not *just* religious fundamentalism, but a sense of
> >>> rage at having been treated like the niggers of the
> >>> world for almost seven hundred years. They WON back
> >>> then, and they've been being treated like ignoramuses
> >>> by the losers ever since. They're understandably a
> >>> little pissed.
> >>
> >> OTOH, Barry, as intelligent and thoughtful as most Arabs
> > undoubtedly
> >> are, they *have* allowed a small, corrupt cadre of uncaring
> > individuals
> >> with little or no conscience (with, admittedly, the aid and
> > support of
> >> just-as-corrupt US "leaders")
> >
> >
> > "just as corrupt US leaders"?
> >
> > And who would those be, Sunshine?
> Pretty much all the ones you admire, Shemp.



Great answer, Sunshine-ski.

I pretty much figured you didn't have an argument there to back up 
what you said.

It just sounded cool to say, didn't it.




> 
> >  And why?
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/fehwp
> > 
> > It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.
> 
> You do know that the Corleone compound on Lake Tahoe,
> the one that appears in the film, was once rented for
> a long period of time by Maharishi, right?




As Johnny Carson used to say: "I did not know that".




> 
> Perhaps that was his inspiration for SV design, eh?
> 
> "I'm gonna make you a city plan you just can't refuse."
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Americans as a whole don't care whether the people in the
> > > > Third World live or die. That's why they elect leaders
> > > > who don't care whether these people live or die and who
> > > > design and implement their global strategies accordingly.
> > > 
> > > Well, no, not "Americans as a whole."
> > > 
> > > More than 51 million Americans voted *against*
> > > George Bush in 2000; more than 59 million voted
> > > against him in 2004.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately only around 60 percent of those
> > > eligible to vote actually voted in 2004, so we
> > > don't know how the rest felt.  But we *do* know
> > > that less than a third of voters actually pulled
> > > the lever for Bush.
> > 
> > We DO know how those who didn't vote felt.
> > 
> > They didn't care enough even to vote.
> > 
> > Therefore in effect they voted.
> > 
> > Bush is President because the American people
> > caused him to be there, via comission or omission.
> 
> 
> Your "theory" appears to presume the US is a pure democracy -- one
> person, one vote. While that is the standard throughout much of the
> civilized world





Oh, really?

Tell us where this is a standard, please.

Often, the "one-man-one-vote" standard is purposely NOT built into a 
country's democratic system.

For example, where you have minorities, the one-man-one-vote 
principal can wipe out their individual and minority rights and, 
often, a country's constitution will provide protections for them.  
In Canada where I'm from, the constitution provided certain 
minorities guaranteed minimum seats in pariament, despite their 
dwindling numbers or their percentage of the population.

The most blatant example of that is the tiny Island of Prince Edward 
Island with a population of about 150,000.  The Canadian 
constitution guarantees them 4 seats in the federal parliament 
whereas if it were done on the basis of one-man-one-vote they'd get 
less than one.

And one of the big complaints by provinces such as Alberta is that 
the one-man-one-vote principle is grossly unfair to them in ther 
federal parliament.  Alberta didn't exist when Canada and its 
constitution were created in 1867.  Today, relative to Ontario and 
Quebec, Alberta and B.C. have little population and have no hope of 
being a majority in parliament.  Capture the votes of just Ontario 
and some of Quebec and the other 8 provinces can be ignored. And 
that's why separation is not just a Quebec phenomenon but an Alberta 
one as well.

Indeed, Alberta has been crying for decades for precisely the sort 
of thing that you rail against below: the distortion of and 
antithesis of one-man-one-vote...that is, a Senate with equal 
provincial representation in a bicameral legislature.









> the US is a democratic back water.
> 
> It remains a backwater of darkness and corruption due to i) the
> electoral college (Gore won in 2000 -- the was the true reflection 
of
> US will), ii) a bi-cameral system of legislature where one house is
> the antithesis of  one persone, one vote, and the other is so 
rigged
> (jerrymandering) that only 10% or so of races are actually 
competitive
> -- that is -- democratic. The rest of the races are simple
> power-maintnenace by entrenched "rulers". Further, out-of-state
> contribution to local races, corrupt lobbying rules and campaign
> finance, and no centralized national election rules -- allowing 
local
> corruption (Ohio, Florida, Kathleen Smith, paperless trail voting
> machines) all are choking the true will of the people by entrenched
> powers. 
> 
> With so many distortions in in ts so-called democracy, democracy in
> the US is a sick patient in intensive care. Hardly vibrant and
> reflective of the will of the people. The US currently is more than
> than not, a banana republic of entrenched powers sustaining their
> power. Its not a wonder corrupt low-vibe policies are developed and
> implemented. 
> 
> How to break the black-shroud of darkeness choking american 
democracy?
>






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[FairfieldLife] That Religion of 'Peace' again

[larry.potter]

Somalia: Italian nun's murder may be linked to Pope, official says 

Published:  09.17.06, 15:06 

The killing of an Italian Catholic nun in Mogadishu on Sunday may well 
be linked to anger among Muslims about Pope Benedict's recent remarks 
on Islam, a senior source among Somalia's Islamists said. 

"There is a very high possibility the people who killed her were 
angered by the Catholic Pope's recent comments against Islam," the 
source said. (Reuters) 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/fehwp
> > 
> > It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.
> 
> You do know that the Corleone compound on Lake Tahoe,
> the one that appears in the film, was once rented for
> a long period of time by Maharishi, right?

Four months or less.

And the gate was always open. TMers from the bay area would just
wander in. 

 
> Perhaps that was his inspiration for SV design, eh?
> 
> "I'm gonna make you a city plan you just can't refuse."

The novel, "The Godfather" -- before the films, was "the" secret SIMS
organizational manual. Keith Wallace, Joe Clarke, Jerry Jarvis and all
 all the shanks I think, plus a lot area coordinators, etc, loved it
and quoted / joked about it. Back when "make him an offer he can't
refuse' was fresh and new in the human psych -- not the cliche of
today -- using that bon mot to describe MMY's World Plan was funny.
And pretty right on: "Clearer mind, improved health, better social
(love) life, world peace" quite an offer!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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> > It totally transforms my relationships like a cultural 
> > "open seseme"...
> 
> I'll have to look into this. That's the effect I 
> was going for with my phrase...  :-)

"Can I pour you another?" can work.




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> > I just learned to say "hi" and "thank you" in the languages 
> > of the different Asian communities I live with.  
> 
> I always had good luck with the phrase, "We've come
> for your daughters, Chuck." When properly translated,
> most people in most countries take this as some kind
> of obscure film reference (which it is), and rarely
> look upon it as a sincere admission of intent.
> 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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> Having a 25 hour work week (or whatever the maximum 
> hours the French unions have negotiated for themselves) 
> is NOT a basic human right, Barry.

35 hours, Shemp. 

But you have the origin of this shorter work week
backwards. It didn't come from the side of the 
workers or from labor union efforts, but from the
side of the guvmint itself. They figured that if
they set the max work week at 35 hours per day,
they could create more jobs and thus have more
people working. 

Besides, you're just jealous. The French workers
also get a minimum of four weeks' paid vacation
per year, too. Nyaah nyaah.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
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> > Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved enough
> > to handle democracy and need a Saddam
> 
> Who has said that?  Can you give us *just one* name
> and quote?
>


Strangely, I have a Kuwaiti friend who has said exactly this.

Her family and friends went through hell when Saddam invaded Kuwait in 
1990 (she was here in America through it all), and the Americans saved 
them.  Yet she was dead-set against invading and toppling Saddam in 
2003.  She is incredibly anti-Bush.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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On Sep 17, 2006, at 10:19 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2006, at 8:19 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>>
>>> What you're seeing in the Arab world, in my opinion,
>>> is not *just* religious fundamentalism, but a sense of
>>> rage at having been treated like the niggers of the
>>> world for almost seven hundred years. They WON back
>>> then, and they've been being treated like ignoramuses
>>> by the losers ever since. They're understandably a
>>> little pissed.
>>
>> OTOH, Barry, as intelligent and thoughtful as most Arabs
> undoubtedly
>> are, they *have* allowed a small, corrupt cadre of uncaring
> individuals
>> with little or no conscience (with, admittedly, the aid and
> support of
>> just-as-corrupt US "leaders")
>
>
> "just as corrupt US leaders"?
>
> And who would those be, Sunshine?
Pretty much all the ones you admire, Shemp.

>  And why?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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[snip]

> Gotta agree. I currently live in France, which has MORE
> than its share of problems. They're *also* a remarkably
> Self Important culture. But one of the things they are
> NOT is apathetic. If a president of France had tried to
> fuck with the French people basic rights one tenth as
> greviously as Bush has fucked with Americans' basic rights, 
> the entire population of France would have been out on the 
> streets in protest. 





Having a 25 hour work week (or whatever the maximum hours the French 
unions have negotiated for themselves) is NOT a basic human right, 
Barry.

Neither the judicial system nor the basic rights and freedoms of the 
French come close to what Americans enjoy.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.








>The country would have shut down and 
> would not have moved again until the government rescinded 
> its actions.
> 
> The French may *be* the drama queens of the planet, but
> in times like these, drama queens can be counted on to
> man the barricades, whereas your everyday American can't
> even be counted upon to make it to a polling place on 
> election day.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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> On Sep 17, 2006, at 8:19 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > What you're seeing in the Arab world, in my opinion,
> > is not *just* religious fundamentalism, but a sense of
> > rage at having been treated like the niggers of the
> > world for almost seven hundred years. They WON back
> > then, and they've been being treated like ignoramuses
> > by the losers ever since. They're understandably a
> > little pissed.
> 
> OTOH, Barry, as intelligent and thoughtful as most Arabs 
undoubtedly 
> are, they *have* allowed a small, corrupt cadre of uncaring 
individuals 
> with little or no conscience (with, admittedly, the aid and 
support of 
> just-as-corrupt US "leaders")




"just as corrupt US leaders"?

And who would those be, Sunshine?  And why?






> to drain the huge oil  wealth and 
> resources for decades  for palaces, harems, etc for those select 
few, 
> when it should have gone towards making life better for everyone.
> 
> It would be interesting to speculate whether or not these corrupt 
> regimes would still be n power w/o US support--my guess is, many 
would. 
>   Apathy is not restricted to our shores.
> 
> Sal
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity  wrote:
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> > http://tinyurl.com/fehwp
> 
> It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.

You do know that the Corleone compound on Lake Tahoe,
the one that appears in the film, was once rented for
a long period of time by Maharishi, right?

Perhaps that was his inspiration for SV design, eh?

"I'm gonna make you a city plan you just can't refuse."







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

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> 
> It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.
>

And whats with that huge Northwest facing set of buildings -- not on
the N/S axis like the other buildings (allowing huge east entrances) 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope's comments

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> > Sorry, I know I shouldn't feel this way but I am
> > snickering with 
> > delight at all the hot water the Pope is getting
> > into with the 
> > Islamists.
> > 
> > I also find it hugely entertaining that his comments
> > about Muslims and 
> > violence are being met with some protests that end
> > up declaring 
> > violence against the West.
> 
> Playing with the monkeys at the zoo is fun, but these
> monkeys like to kill so you have to be careful.



What will these "monkeys" do if they get their hands on a nuke?

Do we take the President of Iran at his word?  Will he wipe out 
Israel and use a nuke to do it?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> > I just learned to say "hi" and "thank you" in the languages 
> > of the different Asian communities I live with.  
> 
> I always had good luck with the phrase, "We've come
> for your daughters, Chuck." When properly translated,
> most people in most countries take this as some kind
> of obscure film reference (which it is), and rarely
> look upon it as a sincere admission of intent.
> 
> > It totally transforms my relationships like a cultural 
> > "open seseme"...
> 
> I'll have to look into this. That's the effect I 
> was going for with my phrase...  :-)
>

So it will now be: 
"Hi. We have come for your daughters, chuck(lehead), Thanks!"?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps Vlodrop

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> http://tinyurl.com/fehwp
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It looks like the Corleone Family compound on Long Island.






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