[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty, you need to keep in mind that there aren't a whole lot of such cushy jobs, and many people aren't qualified for the ones there are. If you insist spiritual teachers must teach for free by getting a high-paying job that leaves them lots of free time, you're restricting the pool of teachers to folks who are highly educated and trained to start with, which in effect means people from relatively well-to-do backgrounds for the most part. Barty here. I love it when Judy gets so mad she can't type. :-) Just to provide a counterpart to what she so mistakenly says above, here's what the Rama guy (even with his many faults) did to try to help his students get careers that would allow them the money and freedom to pursue their spiritual lives. Many of his students, when he first met them, were *not* well educated. Some, like my friend in Chicago, had barely finished high school. Many didn't have established careers. So Rama advised them to consider computere programming as a career path, calling it a 2-3 year path to 100K a year. And, interestingly, that's how it turned out for hundreds of his students. 6 months in a computer school, paid for with student loans, followed by a couple of years of programming work to get one's chops down. The two years on the job were supplemented by classes that Rama provided at night in relational database, AI, different languages and operating systems, and the other things a person would have to know to go into consulting. Most did. My friend that I mentioned above who barely finished high school was making 100K two yeare after entering computer school. This is not a career path (or a spiritual path, for that matter) for everyone, but I firmly believe that it can be *done* by everyone. I've seen it done by hundreds. Judy's idea that this approach to teaching would restrict the pool of teachers to the well-educated is sheer educational bias on her part. T'ain't true. It ain't the well-educated who get the well- paying jobs, it's the people who are *motivated* who get the well-paying jobs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This is an example of what the caste system is *really* like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of what life was like in India in Vedic times. MMY talks about an *ideal*. Whether or not that ideal ever existed or can EVER exist isn't germane to what he says about the ideal. This statement is one for the ages. :-) It's *extremely* germane. That was my whole point in asking you the questions I did a while back about Vedic times. You seem to have *bought* the ideal hook, line, and sinker, and like so many other TM followers, believe that if we just get enough butt- bouncers and pundits together, we can *re*establish this golden age on planet Earth. The problem is that historically this golden age NEVER HAPPENED. It's a fantasy. So is the fantasy of how the caste system is supposed to work. It's a set of plans for the world that are based on UNREALITY, on one man's fantasies. I *applaud* the desire to work for a better world; I just wish that the template that some of those folks have for that better world were based on reality. Now, you can take the stance, as a practical matter, that such a thing simply can't happen in the real world, but you never discuss things that way that I can recall... Just did. Deal with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So is the highest heaven transcendental and a Unified Field?
You saw the list of the heavens. Which one is it? For that matter,
how many are given in Rig Veda?
Verse 46, the second hemistich, from Rco akSare -suukta:
ekaM\` sad vipraa\' bahu\`dhaa va\'danty a\`gniM ya\`mam
maa\'ta\`rishvaa\'nam aahuH || \EN{1}{164}{46} \\
Ralph T.H. Griffith:
To what is One, sages give many a title they call it Agni, Yama,
Matarisvan.
Card:
Being (sat*) [is] One (ekam)...
*)actually the present participle of the verb 'as' (to be)
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty, you need to keep in mind that there aren't a whole lot of such cushy jobs, and many people aren't qualified for the ones there are. If you insist spiritual teachers must teach for free by getting a high-paying job that leaves them lots of free time, you're restricting the pool of teachers to folks who are highly educated and trained to start with, which in effect means people from relatively well-to-do backgrounds for the most part. Barty here. I love it when Judy gets so mad she can't type. :-) Just to provide a counterpoint to what she so mistakenly says above, here's what the Rama guy (even with his many faults) did to try to help his students get careers that would allow them the money and freedom to pursue their spiritual lives. Many of his students, when he first met them, were *not* well educated. Some, like my friend in Chicago, never finished high school. Many didn't have established careers. So Rama advised them to consider computer programming as a career path, calling it a 2-3 year path to 100K a year, with the attendant financial and temporal freedom that salary level implies. His idea was that no one, should they want to pursue teaching or some other form of selfless service in their spare time, should ever feel deprived in doing so. And, interestingly, that's how it turned out for hundreds of his students -- 6 months in a computer school, paid for with student loans, followed by a couple of years of programming work to get one's chops down. The two years on the job were supplemented by classes that Rama provided at night in relational database, AI, different languages and operating systems, how to dress and act on the job and in interviews and the other things a person would have to know to go into consulting. Most did. My friend that I mentioned above was making 100K two years after entering computer school. He's now making closer to 300K, and he's *still* never finished high school. This is not a career path (or a spiritual path, for that matter) for everyone, but I firmly believe that it can be *done* by everyone. I've seen it done by hundreds. Judy's idea that this approach to teaching would restrict the pool of teachers to the well-educated is sheer educational bias on her part. T'ain't true. It ain't the well-educated who get the well- paying jobs, it's the people who are *motivated* who get the well-paying jobs. It's also not without historical precedence. The Cathars (sorry I keep harping on them, but they do provide an interesting alternative to many other spiritual groups) felt strongly that their perfecti (not really priests but who had devoted themselves to their path and to teaching) should be self-supporting. So they organized trade guilds that taught literacy (not common in that era) so that they could become scribes for the illiterate masses, and paper-making (since most of the world was still using parchment at that time). They were a remarkably *self-sufficient* group of seekers. And the contrast between what a lay Cathar was asked to contribute to the religion (nothing) and what the lay Catholic was forced to contribute to that religion (pretty much everything the church could squeeze out of them) was obvious. I still think that financial self-sufficiency is a good model for the spiritual teacher. It avoids so many down sides that appear when you never challenge the assumption that these teachers somehow deserve not to have to work at a regular job, because what they're doing is so much more important than what normal people do. *Everyone* is normal.
[FairfieldLife] Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 2 (version 0.01)
The second hemistich of the Rco akSare -verse goes like this: yas tan na veda kim Rcaa kariSyati ya it tad vidus ta ime samaasate I believe the pada-paaTha (sandhi-free reading) of the second line would be something like this: ye; it; tat; viduH; te; ime; samaasate Griffith's translation: Who knows not this, what will he do with praise-song? But they who know it well sit here assembled. The Diirghatamas-trick here seems to be using such an order of words that the plural form of the relative pronoun 'yaH', that is 'ye', change by the rules of sandhi to 'ya'. The rule here is something like this: if final 'e' is followed by any other vowel than a short 'a', it changes to 'a'. In the case above the 'i' of 'it' causes the 'e' of 'ye' to be changed to 'a', thus 'ye + it' - 'ya it'. The kewl thang is that 'ya it' could equally well be sandhi for 'yaH + it'. Well, 'yaH' is of course the nominative *singular* (masculine) for that relative pronoun. Thus, that D. is referring to a bunch of chaps, is revealed only by the verb forms 'viduH' and 'samaasate' which are plural verb forms. Checking out some grammatical details revealed that that was not so cool as we originally thought, but who cares.
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:06 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty Barty? You're slipping, Judy. :) It's probably a lack of practice in typing my name. After all, she's only used it in 1176 posts to Fairfield Life in the last year and a half. (Interestingly enough, this is more than she typed the name in ten years of Usenet postings.) :-) That quip made, it's pretty much always a sign of how deeply some subject we've brought up has pushed her gotta defend Maharishi, and myself for believing him buttons when she (an editor, after all, whose posts are usually grammatically excellent) starts to misspell and mistype things in response to Vaj and I. I take it to mean that she's so angry she can't take the time to reread and edit her posts before she presses Send. The Send button, in Judy's world, is analogous to the trigger of a gun. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:06 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty Barty? You're slipping, Judy. :) It's probably a lack of practice in typing my name. After all, she's only used it in 1176 posts to Fairfield Life in the last year and a half. (Interestingly enough, this is more than she typed the name in ten years of Usenet postings.) :-) Sounds like she needs an editor, Barty. :-) -Vaj The editor's editor.
[FairfieldLife] Christian Linux
For those of you who use the Linux operating system, here is something that may interest you: Ubuntu Linux 6.06 Christian Edition http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2076013,00.asp And of course, it's opposite: http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ Where's the tantric version? Barry-2? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
As funny as it all is between you two lovers, it's not funy enough for continuation. That's rather sad. It's very sad that you two hate each other so much but hang around each other so much. It's either that you two are total losers with totally no life whatsoever, or you guys really just need each other. I mean that's obvious to everybody else. Hey, do you all know where your blind spot is? It's where you can't see it! Doesn't mean others can't see it. It's clear that regardless of whether B and J think it's love or hate that keeps them together is not important, what the case really is is that they derive validation and self importance from each other just like two fighting little kids, the fight isn't important, the self validation is everything. It's apparent from their continued occupation and taking their battle to more personal arenas than AMT that the ongoing inclusion of others of greater sensitivity than AMT was needed to produce more Judy/Barry Bhava. You two are creating a Janus-like internet devata called the BarryJudy. I have lost identification of either of you as separate from the other. Judybarry this week say, Barryjudy. Naw like the Judybarry better. Judybarry judybarry judybarry, when do Judy and Barry, when do they plan to marry, na na na na na. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas) On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:06 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty Barty? You're slipping, Judy. :) It's probably a lack of practice in typing my name. After all, she's only used it in 1176 posts to Fairfield Life in the last year and a half. (Interestingly enough, this is more than she typed the name in ten years of Usenet postings.) :-) Sounds like she needs an editor, Barty. :-) -Vaj The editor's editor.
[FairfieldLife] NY Times article on dome homes
Dome-goers and dome alums may be amused by this article in the New York Times on geodesic dome residences. It has a half-dozen photos of various domiciles around the Unites States. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/garden/11domes.html The Dome Gains Weight and Settles Down By ALASTAIR GORDON Published: January 11, 2007 BRUCE NELKIN decided in the 10th grade that he would someday live in a geodesic dome, after seeing a picture of one in a science book. It looked like something out of `Star Wars,' Mr. Nelkin said. I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen, and I said to myself, `When I grow up I'm going to build one of those.' http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/garden/11domes.html
[FairfieldLife] yagyas vs gita
Yagyas are rather complicated rituals seemingly done mechanically, to gain favour with the gods. Someone mentioned here references to animal sacrifices in the Vedic past, and the morality of charging money for yagyas in Christianity such practices sparked off the Reformation). How does that square with the Gita where Krishna says just a little flower offered with devotion (whether directly to Him OR to the gods) is all that is necessary.. a theme echoed in other religions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christian Linux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who use the Linux operating system, here is something that may interest you: Ubuntu Linux 6.06 Christian Edition http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2076013,00.asp And of course, it's opposite: http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ They spelled the name of the OS wrong, it should be Microsoft :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] yagyas vs gita
I think it's clear that the irreligeous do not do yagyas nor care about pleasing God or Gods. - Original Message - From: claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] yagyas vs gita Yagyas are rather complicated rituals seemingly done mechanically, to gain favour with the gods. Someone mentioned here references to animal sacrifices in the Vedic past, and the morality of charging money for yagyas in Christianity such practices sparked off the Reformation). How does that square with the Gita where Krishna says just a little flower offered with devotion (whether directly to Him OR to the gods) is all that is necessary.. a theme echoed in other religions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] yagyas vs gita
Moreover typical Vaishnava sees all things as being really to Vishnu. So other rituals are really of Vishnu. Krishna says he is so big he allows all worship of other deities as worship to him. Which is to say that all worship is done as per the Purusha suktam which is that purusha immolates itself as food for the yagya for itself. - Original Message - From: claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] yagyas vs gita Yagyas are rather complicated rituals seemingly done mechanically, to gain favour with the gods. Someone mentioned here references to animal sacrifices in the Vedic past, and the morality of charging money for yagyas in Christianity such practices sparked off the Reformation). How does that square with the Gita where Krishna says just a little flower offered with devotion (whether directly to Him OR to the gods) is all that is necessary.. a theme echoed in other religions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] yagyas vs gita
--- claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yagyas are rather complicated rituals seemingly done mechanically, to gain favour with the gods. Someone mentioned here references to animal sacrifices in the Vedic past, and the morality of charging money for yagyas in Christianity such practices sparked off the Reformation). How does that square with the Gita where Krishna says just a little flower offered with devotion (whether directly to Him OR to the gods) is all that is necessary.. a theme echoed in other religions. Different paths to the same goal: gyana and bhakti. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This is an example of what the caste system is *really* like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of what life was like in India in Vedic times. MMY talks about an *ideal*. Whether or not that ideal ever existed or can EVER exist isn't germane to what he says about the ideal. This statement is one for the ages. :-) It's *extremely* germane. That was my whole point in asking you the questions I did a while back about Vedic times. You seem to have *bought* the ideal hook, line, and sinker, and like so many other TM followers, believe that if we just get enough butt- bouncers and pundits together, we can *re*establish this golden age on planet Earth. The problem is that historically this golden age NEVER HAPPENED. It's a fantasy. So is the fantasy of how the caste system is supposed to work. It's a set of plans for the world that are based on UNREALITY, on one man's fantasies. I *applaud* the desire to work for a better world; I just wish that the template that some of those folks have for that better world were based on reality. Some [people] see things as they are and say, 'Why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'Why not?' --George Bernard Shaw, quoted by Robert F. Kennedy
[FairfieldLife] A groaner
Old rajas never die; they just ved away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This is an example of what the caste system is *really* like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of what life was like in India in Vedic times. MMY talks about an *ideal*. Whether or not that ideal ever existed or can EVER exist isn't germane to what he says about the ideal. This statement is one for the ages. :-) It's *extremely* germane. That was my whole point in asking you the questions I did a while back about Vedic times. You seem to have *bought* the ideal hook, line, and sinker, and like so many other TM followers, believe that if we just get enough butt- bouncers and pundits together, we can *re*establish this golden age on planet Earth. The problem is that historically this golden age NEVER HAPPENED. It's a fantasy. So is the fantasy of how the caste system is supposed to work. It's a set of plans for the world that are based on UNREALITY, on one man's fantasies. I *applaud* the desire to work for a better world; I just wish that the template that some of those folks have for that better world were based on reality. Now, you can take the stance, as a practical matter, that such a thing simply can't happen in the real world, but you never discuss things that way that I can recall... Just did. Deal with it. Your post reminds me that the majority view of past human life is limited to the recovery and intepretation of artifacts. There's more, you know.
[FairfieldLife] MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake!
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty, you need to keep in mind that there aren't a whole lot of such cushy jobs, and many people aren't qualified for the ones there are. If you insist spiritual teachers must teach for free by getting a high-paying job that leaves them lots of free time, you're restricting the pool of teachers to folks who are highly educated and trained to start with, which in effect means people from relatively well-to-do backgrounds for the most part. Barty here. I love it when Judy gets so mad she can't type. :-) Just to provide a counterpoint to what she so mistakenly says above, (Which Barry smugly thinks he's refuted but actually has not...) here's what the Rama guy (even with his many faults) did to try to help his students get careers that would allow them the money and freedom to pursue their spiritual lives. snip Lenz's program, which sounds admirable as far as it goes This is not a career path (or a spiritual path, for that matter) for everyone, but I firmly believe that it can be *done* by everyone. I've seen it done by hundreds. Judy's idea that this approach to teaching would restrict the pool of teachers to the well-educated is sheer educational bias on her part. T'ain't true. It ain't the well-educated who get the well- paying jobs, it's the people who are *motivated* who get the well-paying jobs. Says Barry, ignoring my qualifying phrase for the most part. There are always highly motivated folks who manage to rise above the eight-ball. It's not a matter of educational bias, of course, but of cold, hard reality: getting a high-paying job with easy hours is a lot easier for those who are well educated to begin with. And for those who have managed to get a good education but are struggling to pay off college loans because they couldn't afford to pay tuition out of pocket, investing substantial amounts of time and money in additional training, especially if they're supporting a family, is going to be exceptionally difficult. Making sacrifices is fine, but you shouldn't *have* to sacrifice family life in order to be a spiritual teacher. That isn't good for your teaching or your students, and it's distinctly not good for your family. snip I still think that financial self-sufficiency is a good model for the spiritual teacher. Of course it is. It just shouldn't be the sole option. It avoids so many down sides that appear when you never challenge the assumption that these teachers somehow deserve not to have to work at a regular job, because what they're doing is so much more important than what normal people do. Huh, did anybody say this was why spiritual teachers should be compensated? I must have missed it. It certainly isn't what *I* said. What *I* said is that it seems to me spiritual teaching *should be* a regular job, and that in this regard spiritual teachers deserve just what everybody else does: compensation for the time and energy they put into their work, so they can focus on it rather than having to siphon off much of their mental and physical resources to hold down a second, paying job. *If* circumstances are such that you can hold down that second job and do your spiritual teaching as well without excessive strain, fine, that's the ideal and can work nicely for some people. But it shouldn't be a *requirement*, and you certainly shouldn't have to suffer putdowns from obnoxious, elitist brats like Barry if the compensation option is more suitable and productive. You can do selfless service just as well if you're being paid for it; the selflessness is in how you do what you do. *Attachment* to the idea of one's own nobility in serving without compensation, however, so one can look down on those who take money--as in Barry's case-- pretty much invalidates the whole thing and may well be a far worse spiritual trap. *Everyone* is normal. duh In other words, the term normal has no meaning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Sure explains the Uncles in India thang though, doesn't it. He's compensating them in advance. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That quip made, it's pretty much always a sign of how deeply some subject we've brought up has pushed her gotta defend Maharishi, and myself for believing him buttons when she (an editor, after all, whose posts are usually grammatically excellent) starts to misspell and mistype things in response to Vaj and I. I take it to mean that she's so angry she can't take the time to reread and edit her posts before she presses Send. The Send button, in Judy's world, is analogous to the trigger of a gun. :-) This, of course, is another of Barry's fantasies. I don't reread my posts when I'm confident I've expressed myself as I intended, which means the occasional typo slips through. But I don't make typos any more often in posts about Barry or Vaj than in any others. And Barry is projecting when he imagines me being angry. I simply do not get angry over the rantings of people for whom I have no respect. Finally, of course, my argument had nothing to do with defending Maharishi. It had to do with puncturing Barry's elitist balloon and illusionary self-image. Just doing him a little favor...
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Sure explains the Uncles in India thang though, doesn't it. He's compensating them in advance. :-) Ha, hashame, shame! How so?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Interesting. I think it is silly too, but I think the whole concept of karma as being passed on life to life is a bit silly and too much stuck in earthbound thought patterns. I think I have heard people say that Maharishi has said that a meditator or sidha is purifying the karma of 7 generations of his/her family, in the future and past, but don't quote me on that. Anyone hear anything like this? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sounds like she needs an editor, Barty. :-) As Barty knows, I've always said even editors need an editor. It's a commonplace among editors, in fact.
[FairfieldLife] After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Also (see other post), (although I think the whole concept is bound up in linear earthbound thought patterns) what is it that you think is not justice? When Maharishi says the man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, surely he means that the soul is not bound to even come back to the world, so what is wrong with the concept that his good karma would go back to his bloodline. The bloodline must have some significance in cosmic reality, not just humpity bumpity, squirty squirty (as in MDIXON's case). Surely you would hope your children and grandchildren would benefit from your spiritual growth. However, I really think the whole concept is metaphorical created by humans to satisy the cosmic story in their minds. Life is just a play being re-played for fun, so it needs a context that can portray the plot for any given culture, (on Earth, or on another planet?). In other words, in the context of the quote you gave, what happens to the liberated man whose most powerful concept is: The World is My Family ? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Sure explains the Uncles in India thang though, doesn't it. He's compensating them in advance. :-) Ha, hashame, shame! How so? Exactly; how so. Do you really belive that these fellows like Turquoise, Vaj or Llundurp knows anything about Maharishis family or finances ? I seriously doubt that. It is just a part of their lowlife smearcampaign, IMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. The me of The Christ is the Kingdom of heaven within, or transcendence. Basic stuff really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Also (see other post), (although I think the whole concept is bound up in linear earthbound thought patterns) what is it that you think is not justice? When Maharishi says the man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, surely he means that the soul is not bound to even come back to the world, so what is wrong with the concept that his good karma would go back to his bloodline. The bloodline must have some significance in cosmic reality, not just humpity bumpity, squirty squirty (as in MDIXON's case). Surely you would hope your children and grandchildren would benefit from your spiritual growth. However, I really think the whole concept is metaphorical created by humans to satisy the cosmic story in their minds. Life is just a play being re-played for fun, so it needs a context that can portray the plot for any given culture, (on Earth, or on another planet?). In other words, in the context of the quote you gave, what happens to the liberated man whose most powerful concept is: The World is My Family ? OffWorld Hey, why should I pay for your mistakes? Family yes, responsible for your foiblesI think not!
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. The me of The Christ is the Kingdom of heaven within, or transcendence. Basic stuff really. The me of Christ is the personal God immanent in Creation like Brahma the creator...not Brahman.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Christian Linux
Vaj wrote: For those of you who use the Linux operating system, here is something that may interest you: Ubuntu Linux 6.06 Christian Edition http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2076013,00.asp And of course, it's opposite: http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ Where's the tantric version? Barry-2? :-) Fry's was selling $100 Linux boxes for awhile that had a version of Linux that was made by a Korean Christian College. Problem was that the version of Linux was linked to some proprietary hardware in the machine so you couldn't nuke it and replace it with something else. The tantric version is running on my machine. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Er, karma is a matter of physical and manmade law. Certainly, for the manmade part, a man's debts are inherited by his children, to some extent. What is so outrageous about assuming that more subtle debts are also inherited by his children? The sins of the father are visited upon the sons, yay unto the 10th generation... or something like that. Jewish reincarnation theory certainly seemed to imply the same kind of thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Also (see other post), (although I think the whole concept is bound up in linear earthbound thought patterns) what is it that you think is not justice? When Maharishi says the man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, surely he means that the soul is not bound to even come back to the world, so what is wrong with the concept that his good karma would go back to his bloodline. The bloodline must have some significance in cosmic reality, not just humpity bumpity, squirty squirty (as in MDIXON's case). Surely you would hope your children and grandchildren would benefit from your spiritual growth. However, I really think the whole concept is metaphorical created by humans to satisy the cosmic story in their minds. Life is just a play being re-played for fun, so it needs a context that can portray the plot for any given culture, (on Earth, or on another planet?). In other words, in the context of the quote you gave, what happens to the liberated man whose most powerful concept is: The World is My Family ? OffWorld In the last book by Swoboda on the life of the Agohra saint Vimalananda (highly recommended) he said that genetics is of utmost importance regarding enlightenment. The purity of the bloodline being very important indeed for seeking and upholding transcendence. This may well be somewhat controversial, but then again Vimalanda was not your average Guru telling people what they wanted to hear. He was a very unpredictable and sometimes provoking teacher, I'd love to have met him. Maharishi is also not exactly predictable, to say the least. It's a pitty to hear all those people who dream about the good old days of the Movement not realizing that the Movement belongs to those who move. I've never seen anyone moving as fast as Maharishi. I know from firsthand experience that Maharishi supports Vimalanandas view on genetics.
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip Sounds like she needs an editor, Barty. :-) As Barty knows, I've always said even editors need an editor. It's a commonplace among editors, in fact. I just assumed you were subtly pointing out the similarities between Bart[y] Simpson and Barry...
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Er, karma is a matter of physical and manmade law. Certainly, for the manmade part, a man's debts are inherited by his children, to some extent. What is so outrageous about assuming that more subtle debts are also inherited by his children? The sins of the father are visited upon the sons, yay unto the 10th generation... or something like that. Jewish reincarnation theory certainly seemed to imply the same kind of thing. Good argument.although does that seem fair to you? Also, MMY never said to some extent!
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. The me of The Christ is the Kingdom of heaven within, or transcendence. Basic stuff really. The me of Christ is the personal God immanent in Creation like Brahma the creator...not Brahman. Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? They are not one and the same, even though the Church dearly wants you to believe so. They are two great Masters, The Christ, or Maitreya which is His name today, being the most senior. And Brahmananda Saraswati being more senior to Jesus. Not that it really matters I suppose, they are all perfected beings and work together in perfect synchrony. There is no contest here. According to Benjamin Creme Brahmanada Saraswati is currently not in incarnation, whereas Jesus is. If you need clarification of the relationship between Jesus, The Christ and God. Please see: http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] MMY's *withches brew* of consciousness!
Hey, it's all transcendental, right! Most TM'er are mixed up when it comes to understanding the differentations of CC, GC and UC. MMY explains it so poorly that anybody who reads the Gita is sure to be confused. Here, I'll unravel it for you! CC is Self Realization, realization of your Soul! Not Brahman! GC is Realization of YOUR greater Soul, God the creator Brahma or the fromless 'Christ' IN creation. UC is realization of Brahman the Being beyond and IN creation as his personal God Brahma. Get it? Each level is more expanded than the previous like circles within circles. I feel your pain! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? Jesus was the man, Christ is the Universal Soul, the only begotten of the Father, the Father being Brahman. We all have the power to become Christ (formless essence of the Solar System)where as there will only be one Jesus or John, etc. Christ consciousness is the God Consciousness of MMY by another name, same principle. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? Jesus was the man, Christ is the Universal Soul, the only begotten of the Father, the Father being Brahman. We all have the power to become Christ (formless essence of the Solar System)where as there will only be one Jesus or John, etc. Christ consciousness is the God Consciousness of MMY by another name, same principle. snip Perhaps, one should be careful about using Brahman as the symbol for the Father. In vedic literature, Brahman has a limited life, although much longer than humans or the other demigods. But the intent of your idea is understood.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
It's probably too small a quote to really ascertain context, but to me it sound like a mishmash of karmic ideas from Vedanta, esp. sanchita karma and jivan-mukti (CC) vs. videha-mukti (UC). CC leaves behind some of the mayic bodies but still the overall effect on ones lineage should be one of upliftment. Nonetheless the mayic bodies holding collective karmas of your clan and place of birth still remain, thus tying your karma still to your gene pool. I'm guessing that's what he might be trying to convey. On Jan 11, 2007, at 11:34 AM, wmurphy77 wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake!
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Er, karma is a matter of physical and manmade law. Certainly, for the manmade part, a man's debts are inherited by his children, to some extent. What is so outrageous about assuming that more subtle debts are also inherited by his children? The sins of the father are visited upon the sons, yay unto the 10th generation... or something like that. Jewish reincarnation theory certainly seemed to imply the same kind of thing. Good argument.although does that seem fair to you? Also, MMY never said to some extent! Human beings like to be compassionate. I never heard that the Laws of Naure, Western or Indian, were compassionate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's *withches brew* of consciousness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, it's all transcendental, right! Most TM'er are mixed up when it comes to understanding the differentations of CC, GC and UC. MMY explains it so poorly that anybody who reads the Gita is sure to be confused. Here, I'll unravel it for you! CC is Self Realization, realization of your Soul! Not Brahman! GC is Realization of YOUR greater Soul, God the creator Brahma or the fromless 'Christ' IN creation. UC is realization of Brahman the Being beyond and IN creation as his personal God Brahma. Get it? Each level is more expanded than the previous like circles within circles. I feel your pain! :-) Funnt, somehow I get the impression that MMY explains it better than you do. Wonder why that might be the case?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:20 PM, sparaig wrote: Human beings like to be compassionate. I never heard that the Laws of Naure, Western or Indian, were compassionate. Well you have half of it: there is relative compassion and absolute compassion, humans and various other beings can consciously project relative compassion. Absolute compassion's another entity altogether. It's the nature of entire world-systems and reality itself. The laws of nature in TM parlance translate as devas. You don't feel that some devas are compassionate? Or do you have to pay for a yagya to get an answer from them? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's *withches brew* of consciousness!
On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:21 PM, sparaig wrote: Funnt, somehow I get the impression that MMY explains it better than you do. Wonder why that might be the case? Better pundits on retainer?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christian Linux
peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who use the Linux operating system, here is something that may interest you: Ubuntu Linux 6.06 Christian Edition http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2076013,00.asp And of course, it's opposite: http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ They spelled the name of the OS wrong, it should be Microsoft :-) Yup, MS had help from spooks on Vista: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36814
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
wmurphy77 wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Actually I've heard this elsewhere. But most folks here should be enlightened enough they should be witnessing whether this is true or not. I seem to find it true and remember your past karma can be good too not just negative karmas! One thing I have noticed is how family members who consider themselves strong Christians have a lot of tragedy in their lives. Apparently Jesus isn't all that much help. My immediate family members (siblings and kids) aren't religious so don't seem to experience this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fearmongering on new 24 Season?
Bhairitu wrote: The new season of Fox's 24 begins this Sunday. Here's a clip of the opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgI4r0DWGw So are they trying to condition Americans to they idea of a police state with concentration camps? Last season they were criticized for conditioning Americans to the idea that torture is okay however the central theme of that season was a Presidential conspiracy. I like to watch the show just to see what they are up to but sometimes cringe at the bad writing and direction. As for concentration camps here is a video on one recently built in Texas: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5915634797081569203 Just say No to Bush. Resist the New World Order. Seems that the FBI wants to influence Hollywood too: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ic3141078f1f1c99f4eb9f2727718d2eb Also after 911 Ashcroft met with Hollywood and told them to stop making films showing the government in a bad light.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well, fuck it. I'm all hooked up with more minutes then I'll ever use, my wife has the whole bloody internet on her phone. Best thing about it is this proggy i got called, 'the ringtone maker' which allows you to make all your own ringtones. it rocks and i have some weird ringtones boie, best thing is doing my ordering while i'm cooking. i used to have to sit at a desk, or more like, stand at a bar ;) As far as I know, the iPhone has the best implementation of the internet of any cell phone. The big complaint right now is about how good flash player support is... So you have one already? IOW, you don't know very far. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty, you need to keep in mind that there aren't a whole lot of such cushy jobs, and many people aren't qualified for the ones there are. If you insist spiritual teachers must teach for free by getting a high-paying job that leaves them lots of free time, you're restricting the pool of teachers to folks who are highly educated and trained to start with, which in effect means people from relatively well-to-do backgrounds for the most part. Barty here. I love it when Judy gets so mad she can't type. :-) Just to provide a counterpoint to what she so mistakenly says above, (Which Barry smugly thinks he's refuted but actually has not...) here's what the Rama guy (even with his many faults) did to try to help his students get careers that would allow them the money and freedom to pursue their spiritual lives. snip Lenz's program, which sounds admirable as far as it goes This is not a career path (or a spiritual path, for that matter) for everyone, but I firmly believe that it can be *done* by everyone. I've seen it done by hundreds. Judy's idea that this approach to teaching would restrict the pool of teachers to the well-educated is sheer educational bias on her part. T'ain't true. It ain't the well-educated who get the well- paying jobs, it's the people who are *motivated* who get the well-paying jobs. Says Barry, ignoring my qualifying phrase for the most part. There are always highly motivated folks who manage to rise above the eight-ball. It's not a matter of educational bias, of course, but of cold, hard reality: getting a high-paying job with easy hours is a lot easier for those who are well educated to begin with. And for those who have managed to get a good education but are struggling to pay off college loans because they couldn't afford to pay tuition out of pocket, investing substantial amounts of time and money in additional training, especially if they're supporting a family, is going to be exceptionally difficult. Making sacrifices is fine, but you shouldn't *have* to sacrifice family life in order to be a spiritual teacher. That isn't good for your teaching or your students, and it's distinctly not good for your family. That's why the tantric path is the most appropriate if you want to become a spiritual teacher and have a family at the same time. That's what it was designed for. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jobs also announced they are taking the word computer out of their names so instead of Apple Computer it will be Apple Inc. Wonder how long before they take computers out their product line? Not long I hope ! I have to teach graphic design on that sh!t. They keep freezing and glitching. PC's work great. (And I used nothing but Macs for over a decade) OffWorld Most artsy types I know especially musicians that have Macs are computer phobic. But their are artsy types that look at their bottom line a little more closely and decide not to pay the extra for the fancy Apple logo and get just as much done. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half years, said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything. [snip] I don't doubt that the iPhone may be a truly great smartphone-class handset, but with the vast majority of the people I see using small clamshell phones, I just don't see people switching in droves to an expensive humongo clunker like that. It's the same mistake that Sony made with the PSP. It is too clunky and too fragile.
[FairfieldLife] Thanks for the laughs
See yas next time around maybe. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's *withches brew* of consciousness! On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:21 PM, sparaig wrote: Funnt, somehow I get the impression that MMY explains it better than you do. Wonder why that might be the case? Better pundits on retainer?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a scaleable product. It's basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can tell. And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works from iPhones to servers. More likely a form of Linux. They probably already have built a version of Linux that looks like the MacOS. They probably would have gone with Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone. And they would have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too. Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small implementation of Linux running a prototype. They may even ship this way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead.
[FairfieldLife] Just for fun: lots of meanings of brahman!
brahman n. (lit. ` growth ' , ` expansion ' , ` evolution ' ,
` development ' ` swelling of the spirit or soul ' , fr. 2.
%{bRh}) pious effusion or utterance , outpouring of the heart in
worshipping the gods , prayer RV. AV. VS. TS. ; the sacred word (as
opp. to %{vAc} , the word of man) , the Veda , a sacred text , a text
or Mantra used as a spell (forming a distinct class from the %{Rcas} ,
%{sAmAni} and %{yajUMSi} ; cf. %{brahma-veda}) RV. AV. Br. Mn. Pur. ;
the Bra1hman2a portion of the Veda Mn. iv , 100 ; the sacred syllable
Om Prab. , Sch , (cf. Mn. ii , 83) ; religious or spiritual knowledge
(opp. to religious observances and bodily mortification such as
%{tapas} c.) AV. Br. Mn. R. ; holy life (esp. continence , chastity ;
cf. %{brahma-carya}) S3ak.i , 24/25 S3am2k. Sarvad. ; (exceptionally
treated as m.) the Brahma8 or one selfexistent impersonal Spirit , the
one universal Soul (or one divine essence and source from which all
created things emanate or with which they are identified and to which
they return) , the Self-existent , the Absolute , the Eternal (not
generally an object of worship but rather of meditation and-knowledge
[738,1] ; also with %{jye4STha} , %{prathama-ja4} , %{svayo4m-bhu} ,
%{a-mUrta} , %{para} , %{paratara} , %{parama} , %{mahat} ,
%{sanAtana} , %{zAzvata} ; and = %{paramA7tman} , %{Atman} ,
%{adhyAtma} , %{pradhAna} , %{kSetra-jJa} , %{tattva}) AV. S3Br. Mn.
MBh. c. (IW. 9 , 83 c ,) ; n. the class of men who are the
repositories and communicators of sacred knowledge , the Bra1hmanical
caste as a body (rarely an individual Bra1hman) AV. TS. VS. S3Br. Mn.
BhP. ; food Naigh. ii , 7 ; wealth ib. 10 ; final emancipation L. ; m.
(%{brahma4n}) , one who Prays , a devot or religious man , a Bra1hman
who is a knower of Vedic texts or spells , one versed in sacred
knowledge RV. c. c. [cf. Lat. , {fla1men}] ; N. of Br2ihas-pati (as
the priest of the gods) RV. x , 141 , 3 ; one of the 4 principal
priests or R2itvijas (the other three being the Hotr2i , Adhvaryu and
Udga1tr2i ; the Brahman was the most learned of them and was required
to know the 3 Vedas , to supervise the , sacrifice and to set right
mistakes ; at a later period his functions were based especially on
the Atharva-veda) RV. c. c. ; Brahma1 or the one impersonal
universal Spirit manifested as a personal Creator and as the first of
the triad of personal gods (= %{prajA-pati} q.v. ; he never appears to
have become an object of general worship , though he has two temples
in India see RTL. 555 c. ; his wife is Sarasvati1 ib. 48) TBr. c. c
, ; = [EMAIL PROTECTED] , a lifetime of Brahma1 Pan5car. ; an
inhabitant of Brahma1's heaven Ja1takam. ; the sun L. ; N. of S3iva
Prab. Sch. ; the Veda (?) Pa1rGr2. ; the intellect (= %{buddhi})
Tattvas. ; N. of a star , $ Aurigae , Su1ryat. ; a partic. astron.
Yoga L. ; N. of the 9th Muhu1rta L. ; (with Jainas) a partic. Kalpa
Dharmas3. ; N. of the servant of the 10th Arhat of the present
Avasarpin2i L. ; of a magician Ra1jat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Also (see other post), (although I think the whole concept is bound up in linear earthbound thought patterns) what is it that you think is not justice? When Maharishi says the man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, surely he means that the soul is not bound to even come back to the world, so what is wrong with the concept that his good karma would go back to his bloodline. The bloodline must have some significance in cosmic reality, not just humpity bumpity, squirty squirty (as in MDIXON's case). Surely you would hope your children and grandchildren would benefit from your spiritual growth. However, I really think the whole concept is metaphorical created by humans to satisy the cosmic story in their minds. Life is just a play being re-played for fun, so it needs a context that can portray the plot for any given culture, (on Earth, or on another planet?). In other words, in the context of the quote you gave, what happens to the liberated man whose most powerful concept is: The World is My Family ? OffWorld Hey, why should I pay for your mistakes? Family yes, responsible for your foiblesI think not! You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation. You're an idiot. Christ said Before Abraham was, I AM, as I mentioned in my last post. He also said: I am in you, and you are in Me, and we are in the Father You need to break down your silly Tower of Babble. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:20 PM, sparaig wrote: Human beings like to be compassionate. I never heard that the Laws of Naure, Western or Indian, were compassionate. Well you have half of it: there is relative compassion and absolute compassion, humans and various other beings can consciously project relative compassion. Absolute compassion's another entity altogether. It's the nature of entire world-systems and reality itself. The laws of nature in TM parlance translate as devas. You don't feel that some devas are compassionate? Or do you have to pay for a yagya to get an answer from them? :-) Why are you so attached to money? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Also (see other post), (although I think the whole concept is bound up in linear earthbound thought patterns) what is it that you think is not justice? When Maharishi says the man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, surely he means that the soul is not bound to even come back to the world, so what is wrong with the concept that his good karma would go back to his bloodline. The bloodline must have some significance in cosmic reality, not just humpity bumpity, squirty squirty (as in MDIXON's case). Surely you would hope your children and grandchildren would benefit from your spiritual growth. However, I really think the whole concept is metaphorical created by humans to satisy the cosmic story in their minds. Life is just a play being re-played for fun, so it needs a context that can portray the plot for any given culture, (on Earth, or on another planet?). In other words, in the context of the quote you gave, what happens to the liberated man whose most powerful concept is: The World is My Family ? OffWorld In the last book by Swoboda on the life of the Agohra saint Vimalananda (highly recommended) he said that genetics is of utmost importance regarding enlightenment. The purity of the bloodline being very important indeed for seeking and upholding transcendence. This may well be somewhat controversial, but then again Vimalanda was not your average Guru telling people what they wanted to hear. He was a very unpredictable and sometimes provoking teacher, I'd love to have met him. Maharishi is also not exactly predictable, to say the least. It's a pitty to hear all those people who dream about the good old days of the Movement not realizing that the Movement belongs to those who move. I've never seen anyone moving as fast as Maharishi. I know from firsthand experience that Maharishi supports Vimalanandas view on genetics. I agree with that, because I believe everything in the macroscopic world mirrors precisely a 'microscopic' blueprint. Therefore, genetics is a mirror of some important laws of nature. It is inevitable that: Man and Woman (Adam and Eve), baby, son and daughter, grandmother, family, society, and whole human race, mirror the mechanics of existence at some fundamental level. I don't see that it can ever be any other way, even in an 'age of ignorance'. And I thik it is fundamentally the same on all evolved planets (though could be superficially very different). But I think the good karma of an enlightened man is beneficial to the relatives, but that the bad karma of relatives is not really strong enough to hold back the evolving sidha (not for long anyway). OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's probably too small a quote to really ascertain context, but to me it sound like a mishmash of karmic ideas from Vedanta, esp. sanchita karma and jivan-mukti (CC) vs. videha-mukti (UC). CC leaves behind some of the mayic bodies but still the overall effect on ones lineage should be one of upliftment. Nonetheless the mayic bodies holding collective karmas of your clan and place of birth still remain, thus tying your karma still to your gene pool. I'm guessing that's what he might be trying to convey. On Jan 11, 2007, at 11:34 AM, wmurphy77 wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Makes sense to me. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Er, karma is a matter of physical and manmade law. Certainly, for the manmade part, a man's debts are inherited by his children, to some extent. What is so outrageous about assuming that more subtle debts are also inherited by his children? The sins of the father are visited upon the sons, yay unto the 10th generation... or something like that. Jewish reincarnation theory certainly seemed to imply the same kind of thing. Nice point. I think the Judaic tradition had many roots, possibly most, in some Vedic (or Universal) Wisdom. (I mean the man was called Abrahamasmi for cryin' out loud, and also MahShiwa -- Moshua). OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation. That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? Jesus was the man, Christ is the Universal Soul, the only begotten of the Father, the Father being Brahman. We all have the power to become Christ (formless essence of the Solar System)where as there will only be one Jesus or John, etc. Christ consciousness is the God Consciousness of MMY by another name, same principle. snip Perhaps, one should be careful about using Brahman as the symbol for the Father. In vedic literature, Brahman has a limited life, although much longer than humans or the other demigods. But the intent of your idea is understood. The longest life (of incalculable time) according to Maharishi's interpretation, is Mother Divine. All the others (Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, etc) have calculable shorter life-spans (although still mind-bogglingly long). Not that it matters much to mere humans. We have no role to play there. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation. That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi Please stop passing this information around that I am here. I am trying to lead a quiet life. (Jest kiddin', but I am having some interesting experiences that suggest to me something very big in leap of consiousness is about to take placean ascension of sorts... of all humans) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Jobs also announced they are taking the word computer out of their names so instead of Apple Computer it will be Apple Inc. Wonder how long before they take computers out their product line? Not long I hope ! I have to teach graphic design on that sh!t. They keep freezing and glitching. PC's work great. (And I used nothing but Macs for over a decade) OffWorld Most artsy types I know especially musicians that have Macs are computer phobic. But their are artsy types that look at their bottom line a little more closely and decide not to pay the extra for the fancy Apple logo and get just as much done. :) Of course there are. What off-the-shelf computer costs less than a Mac PRo, assuming you need all the bells and whistles?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fearmongering on new 24 Season?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhairitu wrote: The new season of Fox's 24 begins this Sunday. Here's a clip of the opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgI4r0DWGw So are they trying to condition Americans to they idea of a police state with concentration camps? Last season they were criticized for conditioning Americans to the idea that torture is okay however the central theme of that season was a Presidential conspiracy. I like to watch the show just to see what they are up to but sometimes cringe at the bad writing and direction. As for concentration camps here is a video on one recently built in Texas: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5915634797081569203 Just say No to Bush. Resist the New World Order. Seems that the FBI wants to influence Hollywood too: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ic3141078f1 f1c99f4eb9f2727718d2eb Also after 911 Ashcroft met with Hollywood and told them to stop making films showing the government in a bad light. You are definately on to something; the american government is moving in an fascist direction. But the reaction the this so-called president GWB received in wanting to send even more soldiers to Iraq, from the Congress and the Press, do give some hope.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:20 PM, sparaig wrote: Human beings like to be compassionate. I never heard that the Laws of Naure, Western or Indian, were compassionate. Well you have half of it: there is relative compassion and absolute compassion, humans and various other beings can consciously project relative compassion. Absolute compassion's another entity altogether. It's the nature of entire world-systems and reality itself. The laws of nature in TM parlance translate as devas. You don't feel that some devas are compassionate? Or do you have to pay for a yagya to get an answer from them? :-) Which laws of nature are automaticdally compassionate?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a scaleable product. It's basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can tell. And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works from iPhones to servers. More likely a form of Linux. They probably already have built a version of Linux that looks like the MacOS. They probably would have gone with Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone. And they would have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too. How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries? Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small implementation of Linux running a prototype. They may even ship this way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead. So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed it was MacOS X?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fearmongering on new 24 Season?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Bhairitu wrote: The new season of Fox's 24 begins this Sunday. Here's a clip of the opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgI4r0DWGw So are they trying to condition Americans to they idea of a police state with concentration camps? Last season they were criticized for conditioning Americans to the idea that torture is okay however the central theme of that season was a Presidential conspiracy. I like to watch the show just to see what they are up to but sometimes cringe at the bad writing and direction. As for concentration camps here is a video on one recently built in Texas: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5915634797081569203 Just say No to Bush. Resist the New World Order. Seems that the FBI wants to influence Hollywood too: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ic3141078f 1 f1c99f4eb9f2727718d2eb Also after 911 Ashcroft met with Hollywood and told them to stop making films showing the government in a bad light. You are definately on to something; the american government is moving in an fascist direction. But the reaction the this so-called president GWB received in wanting to send even more soldiers to Iraq, from the Congress and the Press, do give some hope. With the latest poll showing a solid 70% opposed to an escalation of the war in the US, we'll see if Congress actually does something vs. just sounding ticked off. I hope so!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a scaleable product. It's basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can tell. And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works from iPhones to servers. More likely a form of Linux. They probably already have built a version of Linux that looks like the MacOS. They probably would have gone with Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone. And they would have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too. How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries? Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small implementation of Linux running a prototype. They may even ship this way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead. So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed it was MacOS X? ** The NYTimes tech columnist doesn't have any problem stating unequivocally that the Iphone software is Mac OS X-based: http://www.nytimes.com/circuitsemail?8ciremc=cir 1. State of the Art: Apple Waves Its Wand at the Phone == Remember the fairy godmother in Cinderella? She'd wave her wand and turn some homely and utilitarian object, like a pumpkin or a mouse, into something glamorous and amazing, like a carriage or fully accessorized coachman. Evidently, she lives in some back room at Apple. Every time Steve Jobs spies some hopelessly ugly, complex machine that cries out for the Apple touch - computers, say, or music players - he lets her out. At the annual Macworld Expo in San Francisco, Mr. Jobs demonstrated the latest result of godmother wand-waving. He granted the wishes of millions of Apple followers and rumormongers by turning the ordinary cellphone into ... the iPhone. At the moment, the iPhone is in an advanced prototype stage, which I was allowed to play with for only an hour; the finished product won't be available in the United States until June, or in Europe until the fourth quarter. So this column is a preview, not a review. Already, though, one thing is clear: the name iPhone may be doing Apple a disservice. This machine is so packed with possibilities that the cellphone may actually be the least interesting part. As Mr. Jobs pointed out in his keynote presentation, the iPhone is at least three products merged into one: a phone, a wide-screen iPod and a wireless, touch-screen Internet communicator. That helps to explain its price: $499 or $599 (with four or eight gigabytes of storage). As you'd expect of Apple, the iPhone is gorgeous. Its face is shiny black, rimmed by mirror-finish stainless steel. The back is textured aluminum, interrupted only by the lens of a two-megapixel camera and a mirrored Apple logo. The phone is slightly taller and wider than a Palm Treo, but much thinner (4.5 by 2.4 by 0.46 inches). You won't complain about too many buttons on this phone; it comes very close to having none at all. The front is dominated by a touch screen (320 by 480 pixels) operated by finger alone. The only physical buttons, in fact, are volume up/down, ringer on/off (hurrah!), sleep/wake and, beneath the screen, a Home button. The iPhone's beauty alone would be enough to prompt certain members of the iPod cult to dig for their credit cards. But its Mac OS X-based software makes it not so much a smartphone as something out of Minority Report. Take the iPod features, for example. As on any iPod, scrolling through lists of songs and albums is a blast - but there's no scroll wheel. Instead, you flick your finger on the glass to send the list scrolling freely, according to the speed of your flick. The scrolling spins slowly to a stop, as though by its own inertia. The effect is both spectacular and practical, because as the scrolling slows, you can see where you are before flicking again if necessary. The same flicking lets you flip through photos or album covers as though they're on a 3-D rack. All of this - photos, music collection, address book, podcasts, videos and so on - are synched to the iPhone from Apple's iTunes software running on a Mac or Windows PC, courtesy of the charging/synching dock that is included. Movies are especially satisfying on this iPod. That's partly because of the wide-screen orientation, and partly because the screen is so much bigger (3.5 inches) and sharper (160 pixels per inch) than those on
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a scaleable product. It's basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can tell. And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works from iPhones to servers. More likely a form of Linux. They probably already have built a version of Linux that looks like the MacOS. They probably would have gone with Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone. And they would have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too. How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries? Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small implementation of Linux running a prototype. They may even ship this way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead. So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed it was MacOS X? Actually, the iPhone may be running on an ARM processor, so it COULD be Linux under the hood, but would imply that Apple has ported a substantial portion of the MacOS X stuff to a non-FreeBSD kernel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi Please stop passing this information around that I am here. I am trying to lead a quiet life. (Jest kiddin', but I am having some interesting experiences that suggest to me something very big in leap of consiousness is about to take placean ascension of sorts... of all humans) OffWorld It has already happened my friend. Maharishi did it, with the help of the Pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment, many of whom are on this list. Now is the time for it to be openly demonstrated in the world of human affairs. Wait for me a little longer only, and you will find your dreams fulfilled. So will it be, and soon My nourishing Love will strengthen and invest your life with joy. -Maitreya, November 2004 Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fearmongering on new 24 Season?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Bhairitu wrote: The new season of Fox's 24 begins this Sunday. Here's a clip of the opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgI4r0DWGw So are they trying to condition Americans to they idea of a police state with concentration camps? Last season they were criticized for conditioning Americans to the idea that torture is okay however the central theme of that season was a Presidential conspiracy. I like to watch the show just to see what they are up to but sometimes cringe at the bad writing and direction. As for concentration camps here is a video on one recently built in Texas: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5915634797081569203 Just say No to Bush. Resist the New World Order. Seems that the FBI wants to influence Hollywood too: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ic3141078f 1 f1c99f4eb9f2727718d2eb Also after 911 Ashcroft met with Hollywood and told them to stop making films showing the government in a bad light. You are definately on to something; the american government is moving in an fascist direction. But the reaction the this so-called president GWB received in wanting to send even more soldiers to Iraq, from the Congress and the Press, do give some hope. With the latest poll showing a solid 70% opposed to an escalation of the war in the US, we'll see if Congress actually does something vs. just sounding ticked off. I hope so! I'm not convinced that even Maharishi and ME can save the americans from their selfcreated destruction if they do not themselves stop this rotten government. I think the sensible americans (who are plentiful) will have to make their voices heard more loudly. Marches, big demonstrations and rallies by ordinary, sensible people. How can they let a fellow, someone who belives God is speaking to him directly, in other words a madman, with the support of 30% or less lead them into destruction ? It does not make sense. I think the americans will react, albeit a little late. There is still time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a scaleable product. It's basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can tell. And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works from iPhones to servers. More likely a form of Linux. They probably already have built a version of Linux that looks like the MacOS. They probably would have gone with Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone. And they would have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too. How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries? Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small implementation of Linux running a prototype. They may even ship this way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead. So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed it was MacOS X? ** The NYTimes tech columnist doesn't have any problem stating unequivocally that the Iphone software is Mac OS X-based: http://www.nytimes.com/circuitsemail?8ciremc=cir It's MacOS X, but is it FreeBSD UNIX? The helpd-wanted page for iPhone engieneers at apple is looking for someone with experience in MacOS X programming AND ARM (embedded processor) programming. As far as I know, there isn't a version of FreeBSD UNIX running on ARM processors, but I might be wrong.
[FairfieldLife] News from Vedic City
from the police reports Global County of World Peace, at 1805 170th St. of Fairfield reported theft of six rolls of copper wire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma?
[FairfieldLife] Re: News from Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the police reports Global County of World Peace, at 1805 170th St. of Fairfield reported theft of six rolls of copper wire. A massive crime wave hits the city. 500% increase in crime in one day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It's MacOS X, but is it FreeBSD UNIX? The helpd-wanted page for iPhone engieneers at apple is looking for someone with experience in MacOS X programming AND ARM (embedded processor) programming. As far as I know, there isn't a version of FreeBSD UNIX running on ARM processors, but I might be wrong. Turns out there is. One assumes they would still use FreeBSD instead of Linux if it was available for that processor family
[FairfieldLife] Re: News from Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the police reports Global County of World Peace, at 1805 170th St. of Fairfield reported theft of six rolls of copper wire. *** Guys who couldn't take the fumes from meth-making any more are big on swiping copper: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770111013
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma? You quoted it yourself: When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. -- MMY. Now, please explain to me the kind of BAD karma that a being has , who has become liberated and has merged into cosmic existence? To me this was obvious from the start, that such a being would have only good karma. To think otherwise is idiotic. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi Please stop passing this information around that I am here. I am trying to lead a quiet life. (Jest kiddin', but I am having some interesting experiences that suggest to me something very big in leap of consiousness is about to take placean ascension of sorts... of all humans) OffWorld It has already happened my friend. Maharishi did it, with the help of the Pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment, many of whom are on this list. Now is the time for it to be openly demonstrated in the world of human affairs. Wait for me a little longer only, and you will find your dreams fulfilled. So will it be, and soon My nourishing Love will strengthen and invest your life with joy. -Maitreya, November 2004 Jai Guru Dev It is going to be way more dramatic than people think. Not noly joy, or fulfillment of dreams, or even love. Overnight transformation, like burning molten lava flowing over all the Earth overnight, only the lava will not be purifying burning fire, but it will be purifying, burning and very powerful bliss. People will shake and convulse, and once the purification is over, they will completely forget their previous existence/livess. History will dissappear, and a whole vastly different universe will be opened up. It will be very fast when it comes. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
oBVIOUSLY YOUR PAST KARMA CHOSE YOU TO CHOOSE YOUR RELATIVES YOUR RELATIVES PAST KARMA CHOSE THEM TO CHOOSE YOU, SO . . . All You Need Is Love The Beatles (Lennon/McCartney) Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love. There's nothing you can do that can't be done. Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game It's easy. There's nothing you can make that can't be made. No one you can save that can't be saved. Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time It's easy. All you need is love, all you need is love, All you need is love, love, love is all you need. Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love. All you need is love, all you need is love, All you need is love, love, love is all you need. There's nothing you can know that isn't known. Nothing you can see that isn't shown. Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be. It's easy. All you need is love, all you need is love, All you need is love, love, love is all you need. All you need is love (all together now) All you need is love (everybody) All you need is love, love, love is all you need. i think it's a zen thing sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma? Karma's karma, anyway. Good or bad is only a label we put on it. - Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.
[FairfieldLife] Where's that quote?
Someone recently quoted something from the Vedas or from a yogi, that said something about how the enlightened do not see the same distinctions among words as seekers do. Does anyone remember it? It might have been Sparaig that quoted it. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma? You quoted it yourself: When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. -- MMY. Now, please explain to me the kind of BAD karma that a being has , who has become liberated and has merged into cosmic existence? To me this was obvious from the start, that such a being would have only good karma. To think otherwise is idiotic. OffWorld How would you describe the quality of the Karma visited upon Jesus Christ as he was nailed to the cross?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma? You quoted it yourself: When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. -- MMY. Now, please explain to me the kind of BAD karma that a being has , who has become liberated and has merged into cosmic existence? To me this was obvious from the start, that such a being would have only good karma. To think otherwise is idiotic. OffWorld Hmmm... So you're saying that bad karma means you can't become enlightened?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma? You quoted it yourself: When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. -- MMY. Now, please explain to me the kind of BAD karma that a being has , who has become liberated and has merged into cosmic existence? To me this was obvious from the start, that such a being would have only good karma. To think otherwise is idiotic. OffWorld Hmmm... So you're saying that bad karma means you can't become enlightened? Karma gets burned, en masse, in the purifying molten bliss of pure consciousness -- even the Gita says that. Getting enlightened is easy by using the fire of pure consciousness to burn up all the karma. That is Maharishi's whole point and whole movement is based on this idea. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld If MMY had stated only GOOD karma is visited upon his relatives I would agree, he did not state that however, that is your assumption and for you to proveyes? Surely tat walla baba had some kind of bad karma, why would he have been shot to death.. Although your point is interesting in that, can one achieve full realization and still have bad karma...or any karma?
[FairfieldLife] Watch the way this guy plays guitar.
http://tinyurl.com/yfl2ve
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Now, please explain to me the kind of BAD karma that a being has , who has become liberated and has merged into cosmic existence? To me this was obvious from the start, that such a being would have only good karma. To think otherwise is idiotic. OffWorld How would you describe the quality of the Karma visited upon Jesus Christ as he was nailed to the cross? That was *our* karma, not his karma. That's sorta the whole point of Christianity, don'cha know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma? You quoted it yourself: When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. -- MMY. Now, please explain to me the kind of BAD karma that a being has , who has become liberated and has merged into cosmic existence? To me this was obvious from the start, that such a being would have only good karma. To think otherwise is idiotic. OffWorld How would you describe the quality of the Karma visited upon Jesus Christ as he was nailed to the cross? Jesus Christ is a story, nothing more. He never existed in the time or place that you christians think. And even if he was nailed to the cross, if he was an Avatar, then no doubt (as he himself says in the story), that it was liberating. Only an ignorant man thinks being nailed to a cross is bad karma. For the enlightened, everything is a good laugh. Look at Monty Python's The Life of Brian where Jesus Brian sings Always look on the bright side of life, dee dum, dee dum dee dum dee dum dee dum. That too was just a story, and as such just as valid as the story you refer to. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld If MMY had stated only GOOD karma is visited upon his relatives I would agree, he did not state that however, that is your assumption and for you to proveyes? Surely tat walla baba had some kind of bad karma, why would he have been shot to death.. Although your point is interesting in that, can one achieve full realization and still have bad karma...or any karma? How is it that someone who is fully realized still desires food? Or is it that the body still desires food? Hmmm.. Could that mean that karmic reactions still continue but that they simply don't touch the Self?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma? You quoted it yourself: When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. -- MMY. Now, please explain to me the kind of BAD karma that a being has , who has become liberated and has merged into cosmic existence? To me this was obvious from the start, that such a being would have only good karma. To think otherwise is idiotic. OffWorld Hmmm... So you're saying that bad karma means you can't become enlightened? Karma gets burned, en masse, in the purifying molten bliss of pure consciousness -- even the Gita says that. Getting enlightened is easy by using the fire of pure consciousness to burn up all the karma. That is Maharishi's whole point and whole movement is based on this idea. So if the karma is burned up, where is this good karma you're talking about coming from? I think that what is burned up is the seed of karma in the nervous system. The external karmic influences (did I really use that term just now?) continue on indefinitely because they're part of the relative existence of the universe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld If MMY had stated only GOOD karma is visited upon his relatives I would agree, he did not state that however, that is your assumption and for you to proveyes? No it is obvious. Very obvious. Surely tat walla baba had some kind of bad karma, why would he have been shot to death.. Why? I would say bad karma is when a person is in suffering for a very long time. Tat Wala was in bliss one minute, shot in an instance, and in bliss again a few minutes later. In fact, if he was truely enlightened the whole thing would have felt like bliss, and certainly not sad, maybe even funny. Although your point is interesting in that, can one achieve full realization and still have bad karma...or any karma? Only Leisha Vidya, the remains of the yagya, which is basically nothing much except just enough to still have some fun in the activity world. Maharishi's point has always been that you change the experience from 95% small self (and attachment and fear), to 95% enlightenment (fulfillment and bliss). The universe is still the universe, but seen through different glasses. You still need a spur to action to be alive. But the activities (karma) are not overwhelming to consciousness -- that has always been Maharishi's point in my view. Like a line drawn in the air, instead of a line drawn in sand. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: News from Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the police reports Global County of World Peace, at 1805 170th St. of Fairfield reported theft of six rolls of copper wire. How much is that worth?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: News from Vedic City
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:36 PM, suziezuzie wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the police reports Global County of World Peace, at 1805 170th St. of Fairfield reported theft of six rolls of copper wire. How much is that worth? About as much as the whole Global Country of World Peace--it was their life-savings. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch the way this guy plays guitar.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/yfl2ve Jeez, impressive. And interesting music. The visual--the gracefulness and precision of his movements--is very much a part of the piece.
