Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Rapid and Direct Means to Eternal Bliss
Interesting article. Bronte's comments in italics. The article states: 1. Before you learned the language that you now think in, the background of awareness was there. So was the essence of my individuality, which is beyond language. 2. Then you learned the word I in your language. The concept of "I" existed before I learned the word for it. 3. Your body was given a name, and when people saw that body they said There goes John, (or Mike, or Jane, or Julie, or Kumar or Radha) or whatever name that they gave your body. Thus the idea I am John, I am this body arose. I remember lying in my crib as an infant, before I knew how to speak, very much aware of my individual I-ness. I kept wishing those people would come pick me up so I could get out of that boring crib with the string of boring doodads hanging over the top of it. 4. You existed as the background of awareness before that I thought arose. As did we all. But the I thought arose long before birth in any body. It was the first impulse of creative divine mind. 5. The thought calling its self I is an imposter self. Not so. We are both. Small self and big self. No imposters. Only suffering when we forget the big-self part. 6. Because you existed as the background of awareness before you learned the language that produced the thoughts you now think in, you can easily see that the I thought is an imposter. I also existed, prior to language, as an immortal individual. Language did not birth my personhood, although it helped to dress it. The concept that "language produces the thoughts you think in" is true only for regurgitated thinking, not for original thinking. Original thought is born of the spirit, the individual ego in communion with universal ego. Original thought is "pre-language." 7. All thoughts are opposed to your real nature. Far from it. Only limiting thoughts are opposed to our real nature. Original thoughts, coming from deep within the Source, express it. 8. You know that thoughts are not part of your true nature because you had to learn them. Not the original ones. They are born of spirit._,___ Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Someone sent me this: http://www.albigen.com/uarelove/most_rapid/contents.aspx No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1036 - Release Date: 9/28/2007 3:40 PM - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > bob_brigante wrote: > > > > I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying > > you have to sell $50K a month of AV products? > > If so, only a few big city placements will do this well, I think. > > this could work, if MAPI products became popular ... but only if > there is a -very strong- and -constant- TV advertising campaign > that actually *inspires* the average consumer. (like Apple iPod ads, > for example.) > > > The winning point of the program is that every participating shop > > will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda products > > (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be spent > > per shop in national and state-wide publicity, > > my guess is, this is by far not a big enough advertising budget > for the kind of sucess they are dreaming of. > ** Yeah, you would need an advertising budget in the many millions to promote items which are a complete blank for 99.9% of the American public. I don't know why they even bother with these shops anyway, since TMers can just shop online from MAPI in Colorado, at a much lower cost. I suppose they see joint operations of TM centers and Ayurveda shops, but they're not selling any TM instruction, either...oh well, I love MMY's statement on not getting bothered by the current shakeout of the disorder ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/150238 ): "We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If we loose our basis, our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give importance to things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious time for the world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. Our awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever before we are ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands we remain completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us we should not become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean. The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added ... It is the awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi." In other words, all the important stuff is going on at the most subtle level -- doesn't really matter about MAPI shops and TM centers, so don't worry about them or anything else, but just have confidence in the Vedic revival that is being led by MMY and the Pundits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> im curious when did the maharishi say this?
> is it in response to something recent, like
> the monks in Burma getting killed?
>
> or, is this a preperation for something
> "on the horizon" like another 9/11 that
> maharishi forsees?
>
> or is this an old quote from some privious times ...
> we've been hearing about "phase transitions" since
> the 70's, for heaven sake!
>
> ati rudra bishek, isnt that a yagya for peace?
> not "shaking" and "fast moving chaos" which is
> the opposite
>
>
**
Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace, but those elements that
resist being orderly and peaceful will be shaken out of the picture,
so we should avoid being shaken and just understand that the power of
nature is just doing its thing and is behind this transition to
Satyuga:
"The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity,
awakening is added ..."
>
> > ve-da wrote:
> >
> > Be unshakable now!
> > We are in the middle of the phase transition. - Maharishi
strongly
> emphasised the
> > great need to be completely self-referral during these times of
very
> rapid phase
> > transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness
> ('bubbling around') in
> > world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility
of
> the whole
> > meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the
> transition to take place as
> > quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is
> very necessary
> > because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.
> >
> > In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for
that
> shaking to remain
> > under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have
> to be Para i.e.
> > unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, the
> fast moving chaos
> > and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be
very
> steady.
> >
> > Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya
> at present being
> > performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous
> shaking around in
> > world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in
> nature (as 'RRR'
> > in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the
> yagya and causing
> > the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis
(the
> basic building
> > blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting
> sorted out to come
> > into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11
> times 11 times 11
> > pundits ...
> >
> > We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If
> we loose our basis,
> > our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't
give
> importance to
> > things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious
> time for the
> > world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let
it
> be shaken. Our
> > awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than
ever
> before we are
> > ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands
> we remain
> > completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for
us
> we should not
> > become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an
ocean.
> >
> > The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
> then after some
> > time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is
> added ... It is the
> > awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.
> >
> > Jai Guru Dev
>
[FairfieldLife] Kucinich Rocks - Was Re: Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "gds444" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Edg, > > I've been a big fan of Kucinich since reading a speech of his five > years ago about Bush and the destruction of American democracy. He > gave the speech at USC when people were still afraid to criticize Bush. > > If you read his policy stances on his site, they are mostly in > alignment with what Americans actually want. An end to the Iraq war, a > not for profit health care system, to cancel the WTO and NAFTA, sound > environmental policy and on and on. The sad part is that in both > Presidential runs, the media branded him as a "longshot", a "liberal" > and as a candidate with no chance to win. All of this became and is a > self-fulfilling prophecy. > > I run into people all the time that tell me that Kucinich has the most > sound policies, but they won't vote for him because he doesn't have a > chance to win. My response is that if you don't vote for him, don't > send him some money and don't share his message with friends, > co-workers, family members, than you are absolutely correct, he has no > chance of winning. > > I have seen Dennis speak in person on two occasions. Both times, I was > driven to tears. The first speech he spoke about non-violence. He is > the first politician I have heard or read that actually understands > non-violence. Most invoke it as a means of protest. Dennis gets that > it is a spiritual and political philosophy. He adheres to it through a > vegan diet, through his peace work and establishment of a cabinet > level Peace Department, through his support of worker's rights and > unions, support of gay marriage, his environmental policy, et al. He > is a truly remarkable human being. When you hear him speak in person, > he is electrifying. I know that this may sound impossible since he > comes off so poorly in debates, but trust me, he sounds like a > preacher that has been touched by God. He has so much passion. He's > not made for the television era. > > My wife and I have a PR agency focussed on clients in health and > wellness, spirituality, vegan/vegetarian foods, environmental > technology and the like. I spoke with his national PR rep a few months > back. Their strategy is to raise $50 from one million donors. This > would allow him to better compete and would force the media to pay > attention (since thirty percent of their coverage is money related and > only those candidates that raise significant money are worthy of their > attention). We are hoping to help get some bylined articles in media > coverage in our sphere. > > Anyway, Dennis would make a wonderful president. I urge anyone that > believes that he would be the best choice to get involved in some way. > Don't allow the system to tell you that you have to vote for Hillary > or Guliani or the world will collapse. > > Best, > Gary Agreed. You might find this interview with Kucinich from 2003 interesting: US Representative Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat from Ohio, first came to US national prominence in 1977 when he was elected mayor of Cleveland at age 31, the youngest person ever elected to lead a major American city. In 1978, Cleveland's banks demanded that he sell the city's municipally-owned electric power system to a privately-owned utility company as a precondition of extending credit to city government. Kucinich refused to sell, and in an incident unprecedented in American politics, the Cleveland banks plunged the city into default for a mere $15 million. Kucinich lost his re-election bid in 1979, but 15 years later won election to the Ohio Senate on the strength of the expansion of Cleveland's electricity system which provides low-cost power to almost half the residents of the city. In 1998, the Cleveland City Council honoured him for "having the courage and foresight to refuse to sell the city's municipal electric system". As a US Congressman, Kucinich led Congressional opposition to the 2003 war in Iraq. In his current campaign for the US Presidency, he combines a powerful activism with a spiritual sense of the essential interconnectedness of living things. Kucinich's world view carries with it a passionate commitment to public service, peace, human rights and the environment. Share International: Peace and justice issues are central to your presidential campaign and your entire political approach. Why have you chosen those areas to focus on? Dennis Kucinich: All of us have a purpose in life that relates to trying to affirm the society in which we live. We do it in different ways. Some of us are doctors, lawyers, architects, teachers, mothers, fathers, municipal workers, bakers, waiters. All of us have a place and aspire to more and more possibilities. For myself, I have felt a commitment to social and economic justice from an early age. When we see the possibilities of life, reflected in our own life, the quest for peace in the external world has to
[FairfieldLife] Hmmm... dharma-megha?
What does "dharma-megha-samaadhi" mean? In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez (according to some Indian site, whose URL we have lost, after downloading the devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain some typos): prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam- anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH samaadhirbhavati | prakRSTamashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama- puruSaarthasaadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH | anena prakRSThadharmasyaiva jñaanahetutvamityupapaaditaM bhavati | Attempt at "sandhi-samaasa-vigraha": prasaMkhyaanam; yaavataam; tattvaanaam; yathaa-kramam; vyavasthitaanaam; paras-para-vilakSaNa-svaruupa-vibhaavanam; tasmin sati; api; akusiidasya phalam alipsoH(?) pratyaya- antaraaNaam anudayaat sarvaprakaara-vivekhyaateH(typo? viveka- khyaateH??) parisheSaat; dharmameghaH samaadhiH; bhavati | prakRSTam ashukla-kRSNam; dharma; parama- puruSa-artha-saadhakam; mehati siñcati + iti dharmameghaH | anena prakRSTha-dharmasya; eva jñaana-hetutvam iti; upapaaditam; bhavati | Haven't got much of an idea what the phuk that's all about. Anyone got a translation for that? If not, I guess I'll have to try to come up with some kind of "translation"... :(
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hmmm... dharma-megha?
On Sep 30, 2007, at 5:32 AM, cardemaister wrote: What does "dharma-megha-samaadhi" mean? In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez (according to some Indian site, whose URL we have lost, after downloading the devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain some typos): prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam- anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH samaadhirbhavati | prakRSTamashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama- puruSaarthasaadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH | anena prakRSThadharmasyaiva jñaanahetutvamityupapaaditaM bhavati | Attempt at "sandhi-samaasa-vigraha": prasaMkhyaanam; yaavataam; tattvaanaam; yathaa-kramam; vyavasthitaanaam; paras-para-vilakSaNa-svaruupa-vibhaavanam; tasmin sati; api; akusiidasya phalam alipsoH(?) pratyaya- antaraaNaam anudayaat sarvaprakaara-vivekhyaateH(typo? viveka- khyaateH??) parisheSaat; dharmameghaH samaadhiH; bhavati | prakRSTam ashukla-kRSNam; dharma; parama- puruSa-artha-saadhakam; mehati siñcati + iti dharmameghaH | anena prakRSTha-dharmasya; eva jñaana-hetutvam iti; upapaaditam; bhavati | Haven't got much of an idea what the phuk that's all about. Anyone got a translation for that? If not, I guess I'll have to try to come up with some kind of "translation"... :( My Patanjali Guru, who was very conversant with English called it "The samadhi of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (in which the mind dwells in itself, by itself, then identifies with the spiritual self)." Thus it's typical of such a yogi to not only possess all the signs of someone in effortless samadhi, but also to gain much spontaneous wisdom. It's the final bhumi of samprajnata-samadhi, the higher stage of asmita-accompanied samadhi and the initial stage a acognitive asamprajnata samadhi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev 1945 on enemies
Delicious! Thanks, Bob. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "One who has set in his heart the concept of the transitoriness of > the world through a process of reasoning and deep thought, is the > person competent to win over the inner hexagon. Because, one who is > convinced of the transitoriness of the entire world complex cannot be > susceptible to greed or attachment to anything, for he knows that the > object of his greed or attachment today will be something different > tomorrow. Conscious of this disappointment, desires and attachments > do not germinate in his mind. Nay, their very seed is destroyed. Then > jealousy also is gone. He is no longer vain about his greatness, > learning or wealth. When greed, attachment, vanity and jealousy > disappear, there is no cause left for anger and anger goes away > automatically. His desires recede and turn to God, with the result > that now his worldly actions are dictated by a sense of duty rather > than by passion. His behaviour automatically becomes proper and he > lives in the world without being affected by it, just as a lotus leaf > lives in water without getting wet. Such a man has no external > enemies left, and his sameness rules over the whole Nature. None is > capable of disturbing his kingdom of peace. It is such a person who > is "samadarshii" (impartial, dispassionate) and a great victor, who > can carry the world towards the goal of lasting peace and happiness. > > Therefore, a victory over the inner hexagon is the highest form of > victory, and it is to achieving this great victory that man should > direct his efforts.' > > * > complete quote, from the Transcendental Meditation yahoo group: > * > > It is said that in September 1945, when the Second World War was > over, newspaper reporters wanted to know the reaction of > Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of > Jyotirmath (Guru Dev). Allegedly he gave them the following > statement, parts of which match other published quotations of Guru > Dev:- > > 'Real victory is that, after which there can never be a reverse. > Nobody can call himself a victor forever merely by crushing an > external foe, because such foes can spring up again. A real victory > is achieved by bringing under control the internal foes. A check over > the internal enemies is therefore the only way of conquering the > external enemies forever, because we should bear in mind that it is > our own internal enemies which create the external enemies. > > These inner enemies are ambition, anger, greed, false attachment, > vanity and jealousy. It is this hexagon sitting inside us which makes > a cat's paw (duping) of anything in the outer world in order to > create enemies for us. Therefore if anybody wants to enjoy peace and > happiness through victory over all enemies, then he should raid the > very source of all physical enemies - the subtle hexagon living in > us. Destruction of enemies by root is not possible without breaking > up this hexagon (ambition, anger, greed, false attachment, vanity and > jealousy). This is axiomatic. > > It is a fact established by practical experience that anyone who has > conquered these subtle inner enemies, has broken up the central > source of all external enemies. Therefore, all enemies are nipped in > the bud. Then he has no enemies left to be defeated. It is only such > a victor who can be called a real victor. Then the gates of true and > lasting peace and happiness are opened for him. > > For a nation which desires to be completely free from enemies and to > build a world of peace and happiness, it is necessary to have such > men at the helm of its affairs who have conquered their inner > hexagon. Otherwise they would destroy themselves along with many > others. The history of the last several centuries shows that the > rulers of powerful nations have given a bloodbath to the world under > the influence of their hexagon. This is brutish. Those who carry the > burden of guiding a nation should particularly act with insight. It > is no greatness or humanism to be carried away by one's hexagon and > spread a wave of suffering over the earth. > > After all, how long can we go on destroying the external enemies? As > soon as we get rid of one, another one is ready to engage us. In this > way we not only remain ourselves perpetually disturbed, but we also > keep a cold war going on which threatens the peace and happiness of > the whole of mankind all the time. This is certainly neither a sign > of any victory nor of the suppression of any enemies. Hence it is > most essential that people who rule nations should be those who have > conquered their inner hexagon. It is these really victorious leaders > who can successfully guide the societies, the nations and the world > on to the path of lasting peace and happiness. > > It is not too difficult to win over
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gotta love Ron Paul's anti-government stance across several issues, > but yeah, he's a racist. > > Dennis Kucinich anyone? I am not surprised that someone who is as unstable as you, Duveyoung, who plays in traffic on contraptions designed to swerve into on- coming vehicles would support someone like Dennis Kucinich. The guy's a Marxist. And a nutjob. Like attracts like. > > I am going to be surprised at who I vote for. I voted for Kerry > despite his flaws just to be sure the Dems got "control," but now, I'm > thinking to hell with anyone sucking a lobbiest's cock. > > That would include Clinton, Obama. I love Obama's vibe, and I love > Clinton's "woman's heart" potential, but they're in bed with the enemy. > > And here's Dennis with his leprachaun body and boy-voice. GAWD why > can't our heroes brawy Bruce Willis types? I'm so ashamed that I want > this. Smack me someone. > > And Ralph Nadar the dessicated, dour, dufus seems more mortician than > leader. > > Mike Gravel looks good on paper, but geeze he screams everything and > betrays a wounded heart of a man passed by. Better off with Dennis > methinks. > > Right now, today, I'd vote for Oprah just to watch her go through the > learning curves and having the pleasure of watching all the racist > misogynistist rich white guys pissing in their boots. > > Edg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "oneradiantbeing" > wrote: > > > > http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2007/08/ron-paul-radical-rights- man- > > in.html > > -- > > > > Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington > > > > from Daily Kos: > > > > posted last May: > > > > > > THE STRANGE CASE OF LARRY PRATT > > > > In 1996, presidential candidate Pat Buchanan got in hot water when > > the Center for Public Integrity revealed connections between > > Buchanan's campaign co-chairman Larry Pratt and Pastor Pete Peters, a > > leader of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement. Pratt, > > the executive director of Gun Owners of America, had been a frequent > > guest at meetings and on radio and television programs hosted by > > Peters, who inveighed against "Talmudic filth" as Pratt looked on. On > > February 15, 1996, Pratt took a leave of absence from the Buchanan > > campaign, so as to avoid causing a "distraction." > > > > The very next day, reported the San Antonio Express-News on February > > 18, Ron Paul distributed a press release touting Pratt's endorsement > > of Paul's candidacy for the U.S. Congress. Pratt's endorsement of > > Paul was anything but pro forma; the February 22, 1996 issue of Roll > > Call noted that Paul and Mike Gunn, a Republican candidate for > > Congress in Mississippi who had done some work for David Duke in the > > latter's 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial campaign, were the only two > > candidates formally endorsed for office that year by Pratt's > > organization. Paul's opponent in the Republican primary, Rep. Greg > > Laughlin, called upon Paul to repudiate Pratt; Paul declined to do > > so, with his spokesman saying that Paul opposed racism but > > that "nothing has been proven against Mr. Pratt. He has denied it." > > (Pratt's enthusiasm for Paul continues to this day, as this quasi- > > endorsement of Paul's 2008 presidential campaign makes clear.) > > > > THE COMPANY RON PAUL KEEPS > > > > Paul's disinclination to separate himself from the Larry Pratts of > > the world is part of a pattern that over the last 20 years has seen > > him snuggling up to some extremely questionable characters on the far > > right fringe. Like, for example, secessionists, who gathered at a > > conference in April of 1995 to hear Paul speak about the "once and > > future Republic of Texas." Or the beady-eyed listeners of The > > Political Cesspool. It's the unofficial radio program of the Council > > of Conservative Citizens--you know, the repainted White Citizens > > Council that got Trent Lott into a bit of trouble a few years ago. > > (Tune in tonight for their special program on "the disastrous Brown > > vs. Topeka Board of Education decision, one which ushered in an era > > of radical leftist ideology upon the American citizenry.") Paul has > > been a guest on the program; you'll find him listed under P, right > > above Prussian Blue, the white supremacist teenage singing duo. > > > > Or the crazy-as-fuck John Birch Society, to which Paul is more than > > happy to grant the occasional interview and even speak at their > > dinners (the podcast, I am sorry to report, no longer seems to be > > available). In fact, Paul is the only member of Congress to receive a > > perfect 100 from the John Birch Society in its most recent member > > ratings. > > > > THE KLAN'S MAN IN WASHINGTON > > > > Like many members of
[FairfieldLife] We need Off-World -- including his astronomical observations (Re: To Off-World)
Off, You know I have not had much positivity for your actions here, but yesterday, and you KNOW I hate to admit this, you were cogent, right on, clear, and "good reading" in several posts and parts of posts. So much so, that I almost replied with a big thumbs up, but then just as I was about to do so, another of your posts came wherein you "lost it" and began the kicking and screaming lashing out toddler stuff. With so many here trying to bite their tongues, sticking to the good stuff and forgetting the blurry, I am getting high on the good vibes coming on strongly here. Suddenly everyone is trying to be nice and trying to contribute, ya know? You included. So, even if Rick bans you for a week, come on back and do that good stuff again. One of the things I love/hate most about this venue is that the people who negatively trigger me will, with unbearable regularity, prove my opinion of them to be far too cartoonish and not nearly as complex as they deserve. You are a human being, Off, and to the extent that I judge you as lacking, let it be known that that opinion is merely my own inability to make lemonade out of "you" and thus my own mirror I look into. And the other day, the astronomers found this "very brief flash" of radio waves in their data. A new thingy for them. Don't know quite yet what it was -- maybe a black hole exploding or two neutron stars colliding, but it was over in "a flash." So, when I first starting posting here, I ripped you a new one for being so stupid as to think you'd seen a supernova, I was not taking into consideration that, hard as it is to imagine, you may have seen a very rare event -- never recorded by science before. Not a supernova, but something elsesomething way fast. That said, the radio burst was not visible to the human eye, so the incident I'm mentioning could not have been the one that "happened" to you. But, still, as an olive branch, let me say in public that maybe there are events out there that are flashy in the visible spectrum. Maybe you should find an astronomer, tell him/her where you were looking and when, and maybe he'll be able to search the data and see what you saw! So, bite your tongue there dude. You know that I have a sore one, right? And I'm have a far deeper rage addiction, so if I can, so can you. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter > wrote: > > > > That flaming Scottsman Off-World wrote: > > It is clear what Ron Paul stands for, and that he will never be a > dictator as you are trying to make out. He does not have that sort of > energy, nor the charisma, to be a dictator. You're fearmongering is > laughable, and will go nowhere. It is a joke and you are making a > > fool of yourself. > > _ > > Bronte: > > > > Now doggone it, Off, here you're doing the VERY thing you just > told me was blatantly unfair: saying "your argument is stupid because > it's stupid, and you are stupid to boot." You are accusing others of > the thing you yourself have just turned around and done. You're hurt > and lashing out. It's time to stop and be > civil. > > > > > Yawn. (I'm hurt and lashing out..ROTFL ! ) > Anyone with a rational mind would see it for that, a rational > response to an insane irrational rant the purpose of which is to > smear someone (Ron Paul in this case) > > Go back and answer the points I made in reply to you in the other > post instead of avoiding them. > > Since when are lies about a person (Ron Paul) a form of discourse? > > What do you do the rest of the day when not scolding people for being > naughty boys on the internet? > > OffWorld >
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Rick Archer/ On Reciting God's Name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think the Christians are as scary though. There's not the total dissolution of self in God like there is with the Easterners. Back ages ago, the Christians were certainly on a par with this, with their self-denial and extreme monasticism business. Now the Indians are taking the lead with the same sick messages. IMO, of course, with all due respect to yours. - Bronte I'm not at all devotional, so it ain't my message, sick or otherwise. But I don't think it's anybody *else's* message either, to be perfectly frank. I think it's another straw man, a misreading on your part. In any case, my point wasn't that the fundie Christian "possession" by Jesus was scary, but that they don't seem to be able to recognize how similar it is to what they (and you) object to about mantra meditation. > authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter > wrote: > > > At the start of this thread, you quoted Ramana Maharishi on the > value of letting "His name," the name of a god, not only permeate your > meditation but every moment of your life, every impulse of your > thought, the very fabric of consciousness. This is outright possession. > This is a taking over of your individual consciousness by another > entity, by the god whose name you repeated. This is not experience of > Brahman, however they may dress it to be so. > > Funny thing is, this is the same argument fundie > Christians make against mantra meditation, yet it > seems as though in their own devotional practice, > they're just substituting "possession" by Jesus > for "possession" by a god.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... dharma-megha?
I can't translate but I have read that dharma-megha means that the yogi also rains dharma onto the surrounding society, source was Julian Lee --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What does "dharma-megha-samaadhi" mean? > In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez > (according to some Indian site, whose > URL we have lost, after downloading the > devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain > some typos): > > prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM > vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM > tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam- > anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH > samaadhirbhavati | prakRSTamashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama- > puruSaarthasaadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH | > anena prakRSThadharmasyaiva jñaanahetutvamityupapaaditaM > bhavati | > > > Attempt at "sandhi-samaasa-vigraha": > > prasaMkhyaanam; yaavataam; tattvaanaam; yathaa-kramam; > vyavasthitaanaam; paras-para-vilakSaNa-svaruupa-vibhaavanam; > tasmin sati; api; akusiidasya phalam alipsoH(?) pratyaya- > antaraaNaam anudayaat sarvaprakaara-vivekhyaateH(typo? viveka- > khyaateH??) parisheSaat; dharmameghaH > samaadhiH; bhavati | prakRSTam ashukla-kRSNam; dharma; parama- > puruSa-artha-saadhakam; mehati siñcati + iti dharmameghaH | > anena prakRSTha-dharmasya; eva jñaana-hetutvam iti; upapaaditam; > bhavati | > > Haven't got much of an idea what the phuk that's all about. > Anyone got a translation for that? If not, I guess I'll > have to try to come up with some kind of "translation"... :( >
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
"Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace"
Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and
we don't seem anywhere near "peace". Either this works or it doesn't.
I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just
making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
> wrote:
> >
> > im curious when did the maharishi say this?
> > is it in response to something recent, like
> > the monks in Burma getting killed?
> >
> > or, is this a preperation for something
> > "on the horizon" like another 9/11 that
> > maharishi forsees?
> >
> > or is this an old quote from some privious times ...
> > we've been hearing about "phase transitions" since
> > the 70's, for heaven sake!
> >
> > ati rudra bishek, isnt that a yagya for peace?
> > not "shaking" and "fast moving chaos" which is
> > the opposite
> >
> >
>
> **
>
>
> Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace, but those elements that
> resist being orderly and peaceful will be shaken out of the
picture,
> so we should avoid being shaken and just understand that the power
of
> nature is just doing its thing and is behind this transition to
> Satyuga:
>
> "The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
> then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of
purity,
> awakening is added ..."
>
> >
> > > ve-da wrote:
> > >
> > > Be unshakable now!
> > > We are in the middle of the phase transition. - Maharishi
> strongly
> > emphasised the
> > > great need to be completely self-referral during these times of
> very
> > rapid phase
> > > transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness
> > ('bubbling around') in
> > > world consciousness at present and that it is the
responsibility
> of
> > the whole
> > > meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the
> > transition to take place as
> > > quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is
> > very necessary
> > > because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.
> > >
> > > In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for
> that
> > shaking to remain
> > > under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para,
have
> > to be Para i.e.
> > > unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state,
the
> > fast moving chaos
> > > and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be
> very
> > steady.
> > >
> > > Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek'
yagya
> > at present being
> > > performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous
> > shaking around in
> > > world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in
> > nature (as 'RRR'
> > > in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the
> > yagya and causing
> > > the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis
> (the
> > basic building
> > > blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is
getting
> > sorted out to come
> > > into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11
> > times 11 times 11
> > > pundits ...
> > >
> > > We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things.
If
> > we loose our basis,
> > > our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't
> give
> > importance to
> > > things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very
precious
> > time for the
> > > world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't
let
> it
> > be shaken. Our
> > > awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than
> ever
> > before we are
> > > ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time
demands
> > we remain
> > > completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for
> us
> > we should not
> > > become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an
> ocean.
> > >
> > > The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
> > then after some
> > > time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening
is
> > added ... It is the
> > > awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.
> > >
> > > Jai Guru Dev
> >
>
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Off-World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wrote this and a bunch of other posts today which apparently got lost in cyber space. I'm asking Rick to tell me what's wrong. BTW, some of the originals are now showing up along with your forwards, so perhaps they're just being delayed. It does happen from time to time. Have you tried posting from the Web site rather than by email? Such posts rarely seem to get delayed. > I used to be in a debate club in high school. People battled each other on issues just for the fun of sharpening their intellects. Some battled, I'm sure, for the sake of beating others, to put other people down. But some of us just enjoyed the fencing for its own sake. Like athletes enjoy meets. You've got your athletes who hate the other team and really want to make them look stupid. But mostly they're guys who enjoy competition because it sharpens their own abilities. Their efforts to rile up the opponent are made in the spirit of starting a contest for fun. Thanks for making this point; it's one I've tried to make here before. There are one or two people here who view the debating impulse as somehow malign, as a "bid for attention," as a response to a perceived "attack on one's self," rather than, as you say, a matter of starting a contest for the fun of sharpening one's intellect (and, I would add, refining one's positions). Oddly enough, yesterday I was copy editing a piece on how to handle flaming on a blog. The author observed: "Flaming can...take on the quality of a ritual battle, of sport. Participants try out different rhetorical tricks, looking for inconsistencies in their opponent's arguments, bringing genuine research and logic to their own arguments, conceding points when necessary, praising impressive tactical moves of their opponents, regarding it all with amused detachment, as a game, like verbal jousting." He's really talking about turning flaming into an actual debate rather than just an exchange of ad hominem insults. But it's a nice description of what debate can be at its best (although I'd say "tactics" rather than "tricks"). An intellectually honest debate has the quality of *dialectic*, whose ultimate goal is resolution of opposing viewpoints. Even when resolution is not achieved (which is most of the time), dialectic can make the real nature of a disagreement a lot clearer than it was to start with; and often it turns out that the disagreement was significantly narrower than it appeared in the beginning. > "And because you are not smart enough" is the part that really hurts, whether it's said or implied. Whenever a debate gets personal - - with the other person becoming the subject of the discussion instead of the topic itself -- the debaters skate onto thin ice and an insult is likely to happen. I don't find such insults hurtful, actually, unless they're coming from someone I respect, but such a person would be unlikely to indulge in insult in the first place. Insults are mostly an expression of the *insulter's* feelings, after all, so why should they be taken personally?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:34 AM, sgrayatlarge wrote: "Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace" Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and we don't seem anywhere near "peace". Either this works or it doesn't. I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just making excuses based on a very questionable theory? Pretty obvious to most objective observers. But, believe it or not, there are still some that actually believe in the ME. Apparently no one bothered to tell the remaining believers that the level of coherence "generated" by their practices was actually considered scientifically and statistically insignificant by credible neurophysiologists. More proof that some things can be both sad and funny at the same time... ;-) Had you seen the latest declaration?: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/09/raja-invites-its-your- faultobligation.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
Hagelin scolds none dome goers like children, well I guess if the shoe fits... Thanks Vaj -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:34 AM, sgrayatlarge wrote: > > > "Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace" > > > > Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and > > we don't seem anywhere near "peace". Either this works or it doesn't. > > I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just > > making excuses based on a very questionable theory? > > > Pretty obvious to most objective observers. > > But, believe it or not, there are still some that actually believe in > the ME. Apparently no one bothered to tell the remaining believers > that the level of coherence "generated" by their practices was > actually considered scientifically and statistically insignificant by > credible neurophysiologists. > > More proof that some things can be both sad and funny at the same > time... ;-) > > Had you seen the latest declaration?: > > http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/09/raja-invites-its-your- > faultobligation.html >
[FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield
You may remember Lou, and if you’ve been around longer, LB. I highly recommend LB’s show. You can listen wherever you are in the world by tuning in at 1pm Central Time every Wednesday at HYPERLINK "http://www.kruufm.com/"http://www.kruufm.com/. Click on the left where it says Listen to our Live Stream. You can call in to the show at (641) 209-1083. Dear Friends of Fairfield, HYPERLINK "http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/objcts/anmls/clips/dove-clip"; I will be interviewed by LB Shriver on Wednesday October 3rd from 1:00 to 2:00PM on KRUU Radio which is 100.1 on your FM dial. If you can't tune in tell your friends. He will interview me about my book "The Future of Yoga" endorsed by Deepak Chopra and available at 21st Century Books. Ask Tony the store manager for a copy. It's on sale for $10.00. I will also be talking about Pluto transiting through the sign of Capricorn and its effect from the start of 2008 through the spring of 2009. The effects for Fairfield Iowa because both Maharishi and Tony Nader are born under the sign of Capricorn in the Western system. Pluto is ruled by Shiva so this directly effects our tradition. I have met so many people in Fairfield and have been here for almost three months now. There is so much to do and so many people to meet. I look forward to seeing all of you from time to time and continue to pray and meditate for world peace. Thank you for your sharing's of life. It has and continues to enrich my life. I will also start to advertise astrological readings for both Western and Vedic or combined. You can visit my website at HYPERLINK "http://www.yogavisionaries.com/"Astrological Varieties for more information. See you soon. Love and Light, Lou Valentino Jai Guru Dev PS. For those who feel comfortable opening an attachment I have attached a song I wrote for Maharishi. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM You're Majesty.doc Description: Binary data
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... dharma-megha?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I can't translate but I have read that dharma-megha means that the
> yogi also rains dharma onto the surrounding society, source was
Julian Lee
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > What does "dharma-megha-samaadhi" mean?
> > In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez
> > (according to some Indian site, whose
> > URL we have lost, after downloading the
> > devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain
> > some typos):
> >
> > prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM
> > vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM
> > tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam-
> > anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH
> > samaadhirbhavati |*** prakRSTam ashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama-
> > puruSa-artha-saadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH ***|
The last sentence above seems to be some kind of explanation
why that particular form, or whatever, of samaadhi is
called 'dharma-megha'.
Let's start from the main verbs, which seem to be 'mih'
(?present tense indicative 3. person singular 'mehati')...
2 mih 1 cl. 1. P. (Dha1tup. xxiii , 23) %{***me4hati***} (ep. also
A1. %{-te} , p. %{-meghamAna} RV. ; pf. %{mimeha} Gr. ; aor. %
{amikSat} S3Br. ; fut. %{meDhA} Gr. , %{mekSya4ti} AV. ; inf. %
{mihe4} RV.) , to void or pass urine , make water upon (loc. or
acc.) or towards (acc.) RV. &c. &c. ; to emit seminal fluid BhP. ; (%
{mi4miDDhi}) = %{yAcJA-karman} Naigh. iii , 19: Caus. %{mehayati}
(aor. %{amImihat} Gr.) to cause to make water RV.: Desid. %
{mimikSati} see 1. %{mikS}: Intens. %{me4mihat} see %{ni-mih}. [Cf.
Gk. $ , Lat. &248141[818 ,2] {mingere} , {mejere} ; Slav. {migla} ;
Lith. {me34z3} , Angl. Sax. {mi7gan} ; Germ. {Mist}.]
... and 'sic'
(?present tense indicative 3. person singular 'siñcati', in
HK siJca4ti).
sic 1 cl. 6. P. A1. (Dha1tup. xxviii , 140) %{***siJca4ti***} , %{-
te} (once in RV. x , 96 , 1 , %{se4cate} pf. %{siSeca} , %{siSice}
[in RV. also %{sisicuH} , %{sisice}] ; aor. %{asicat} , %{-cata}
[Gr. also %{asikta}] ; Subj. %{sicAmahe} RV. ; Prec. %{sicyAt} Br. ;
fut. %{sekSyati} , %{-te} ib. &c. ; inf. %{sektum} MBh. %{sektavai}
Br. ; ind. p. %{siktvA} ib. ; %{-si4cya} AV. ; %{-secam} or %{-
sekam} , (Gr2S3rS.) , to pour out , discharge , emit , shed , infuse
or pour into or on (loc.) RV. &c.&c. ; to emit semen , impregnate
RV. AV. Br. Mn. ; to scatter in small drops , sprinkle , besprinkle
or moisten with (instr.) RV. &c. &c. ; to dip , soak , steep Bhpr. ;
to cast or form anything out of molten metal &c. (2 acc.) RV. AV.
AitBr.: Pass. %{sicyate} (ep. also %{-ti} ; aor. %{aseci}) , to be
poured out or sprinkled RV. &c. &c.: Caus. %{secayati} , %{-te} (ep.
also %{siJcayati} ; aor. %{asISicat} or %{asIsicat}) , to cause to
pour out &c. ; to sprinkle , water (plants &c.) MBh. Ka1v. &c.:
Desid. %{siSikSati} or %{sisikSati} ; %{-te} Gr. (cf. %{sisikSA}):
Intens. %{sesicyate} , %{sesekti}. [Cf. Zd. {hincaiti} ; Gk. $ [?] ;
Angl.Sax. {seo4n} ; Germ. &366885[1214 ,1] {seihen} , {seichen}.]
Any suggestions for the most suitable meaning as to the Bhoja-vRtti
are welcome! ;)
FWIW, it seems a bit weird that a clause has two predicate verbs
(mehati, siñcati), but the only way I can "de-sandhi" 'siñcatiiti'
is 'siñcati + iti'. In principle it could also "of course" be
sandhi for 'siñcatii + iti', but that doesn't seem to be
a valid form from 'mih'.
>From the form 'meghamaana' (present participle?) under 'mih'
we can see that the noun 'megha' is also prolly derived
from the root 'mih'.
The phrase beginning with 'prakRSTam' and ending with 'saadhakam'
seems to be the direct object of that clause, provided we
assume that 'saadhaka' refers to a person, and thus is in accusative
singular, because nominative singular would be 'saadhakaH'.
But according to M-W, 'saadhaka' can also be a neuter noun,
in which case 'saadhakam' could be nominative *or* accusative
singular, because in Sanskrit as in Latin, nouns, whose nominative
and accusative are identical in form, are called neuter gender words.
But let's "bravely" assume that 'saadhaka' above refers to
a person, and thus is in accusative case, and by that token
the object of that sentence. That leaves 'dharma-meghaH' the
only possible subject for that sentence despite the fact
that it's preceded by 'iti' which would make it simultaneously
some kind of apposition, or stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:34 AM, sgrayatlarge wrote: > > I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just > > making excuses based on a very questionable theory? > > Pretty obvious to most objective observers. > > But, believe it or not, there are still some that actually believe > in the ME. Apparently no one bothered to tell the remaining > believers that the level of coherence "generated" by their > practices was actually considered scientifically and statistically > insignificant by credible neurophysiologists. I should think this would be obvious, but apparently not: Actually, neurophysiologists, no matter how credible, would hardly be the appropriate experts to determine whether the ME works.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on Ken's Burns "The War"
authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> authfriend wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >>> >>> In fact the impression I got was that >>> >>> the war was more a failed exercise in trying to reduce the world's population dramatically. And there is a section on how they got people in the US to buy bonds to finance the war but no answer as to who made all the money off the weapons sales. That should be part of the story too. >>> Then it would be a very different documentary >>> with a whole different purpose and approach. >>> >>> >> But any thinking person watching the documentary will begin >> to ponder how the madmen came to power. They didn't just do >> it by themselves. >> > > If you made a documentary that covered every > single aspect of World War II, it would run > every week for at least a year. > > >> Some folks here ought to be asking how MMY became so big too. >> > > LOL!! You got a conspiracy theory for that as well? Then we have the "Mother of All Conspiracy Theories" that 19 Arabs armed with boxcutters started WWIII. That one is a doozy!
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY on Phase Transition
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Be unshakable now!
>
>
>
> We are in the middle of the phase transition. - Maharishi strongly
> emphasised the
> great need to be completely self-referral during these times of very rapid
> phase
> transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness ('bubbling
> around') in
> world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility of the whole
> meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the transition to take
> place as
> quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is very
> necessary
> because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.
>
> In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for that shaking
> to remain
> under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to be Para
> i.e.
> unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, the fast moving
> chaos
> and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be very steady.
>
> Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya at present
> being
> performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous shaking around
> in
> world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in nature (as
> 'RRR'
> in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the yagya and
> causing
> the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis (the basic
> building
> blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting sorted out
> to come
> into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11 times 11
> times 11
> pundits ...
>
> We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If we loose
> our basis,
> our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give
> importance to
> things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious time for
> the
> world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it be
> shaken. Our
> awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever before we
> are
> ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands we remain
> completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us we should
> not
> become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean.
>
> The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after
> some
> time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added ...
> It is the
> awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.
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> Jai Guru Dev
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Wow! A lot of talk here to make the ego-bound TM'ers feel "real
important" and provide delusions of grandeur. If meditators are
enlightened no mention needs to be made we just observe the changes.
We've discussed the waves of stress in the global consciousness here and
some of us get ridiculed as "conspiracy theorists" for pointing out the
bigger picture by those too blind to see. It would be something
different if MMY just mentioned that "there are a lot of changes coming
down and isn't it interesting" and leave out the ego stroking of TM'ers.
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[FairfieldLife] Rick, Do You Care To Addres The Flaming?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not surprised that someone who is as unstable as you, Duveyoung, who plays in traffic on contraptions designed to swerve into on- coming vehicles would support someone like Dennis Kucinich. The guy's a Marxist. And a nutjob. Like attracts like. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield
"Pluto is ruled by Shiva" -- eh, references? Make sure the refs are at least a thousand years old. But just for funzies, who rules the Oort Cloud? And, er, all the moons of the planets in our solar system must be godlets of some sort, so name and explain them. And when a meteor falls, is that a minor god dying? Again, I went to many well respect astrologers and none of them, not a single one predicted the great tribulations I was about to face or even the significant disasters of my past. These were huge things but not a word from any of them -- and they all took my money without guilt. Yet, a globe that is not big enough to be a planet, never named in any Jyotish text, is touted as the highest of the highest God influencing us deeply with a stream of photons that only the best telescopes of modern day can see. Meanwhile, here am I believing that Arunachala is Shiva. Sigh. None of the planets shine with their own light, and Arunachala too reflects the sun's vibe, and I'm betting Ramana Maharshi would agree that that mountain was far more important than any unseen orb's reflections or gravitation. Not that I'm going to buy a ticket to India, I'm just saying. New concept: Once I took a Majorcan moonlight stroll with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- along with about 200 others trailing him, and I don't remember his words, but his concept was that the Moon was a powerhouse of LOVE shining on all of us that night. Here's the new concept: if Maharishi is enlightened, is pure love, then his loving the Moon was what?wait for itwait.HIS OWN LOVE BEING REFLECTED OFF OF THAT ORB. Enlightened persons are bright lights of some sort, right? What they see in the world is what reflects back to them -- where another pure soul is encountered, the reflection is most perfect and the love sent is the least absorbed. I love this idea. Talk amongst yourselves..it's buttah. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You may remember Lou, and if you've been around longer, LB. I highly > recommend LB's show. You can listen wherever you are in the world by tuning > in at 1pm Central Time every Wednesday at HYPERLINK > "http://www.kruufm.com/"http://www.kruufm.com/. Click on the left where it > says Listen to our Live Stream. You can call in to the show at (641) > 209-1083. > > Dear Friends of Fairfield, HYPERLINK > "http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/objcts/anmls/clips/dove-clip"; > > > > I will be interviewed by LB Shriver on Wednesday October 3rd from 1:00 to > 2:00PM on KRUU Radio which is 100.1 on your FM dial. If you can't tune in > tell your friends. He will interview me about my book "The Future of Yoga" > endorsed by Deepak Chopra and available at 21st Century Books. Ask Tony the > store manager for a copy. It's on sale for $10.00. > > > > I will also be talking about Pluto transiting through the sign of Capricorn > and its effect from the start of 2008 through the spring of 2009. The > effects for Fairfield Iowa because both Maharishi and Tony Nader are born > under the sign of Capricorn in the Western system. Pluto is ruled by Shiva > so this directly effects our tradition. > > > > I have met so many people in Fairfield and have been here for almost three > months now. There is so much to do and so many people to meet. I look > forward to seeing all of you from time to time and continue to pray and > meditate for world peace. Thank you for your sharing's of life. It has and > continues to enrich my life. > > > > I will also start to advertise astrological readings for both Western and > Vedic or combined. You can visit my website at HYPERLINK > "http://www.yogavisionaries.com/"Astrological Varieties for more > information. See you soon. > > > > Love and Light, > > Lou Valentino > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > PS. For those who feel comfortable opening an attachment I have attached a > song I wrote for Maharishi. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 > 9:46 PM >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev 1945 on enemies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "One who has set in his heart the concept of the transitoriness of > the world through a process of reasoning and deep thought, is the > person competent to win over the inner hexagon. Because, one who is > convinced of the transitoriness of the entire world complex cannot be > susceptible to greed or attachment to anything, for he knows that the > object of his greed or attachment today will be something different > tomorrow. Conscious of this disappointment, desires and attachments > do not germinate in his mind. Nay, their very seed is destroyed. Then > jealousy also is gone. He is no longer vain about his greatness, > learning or wealth. When greed, attachment, vanity and jealousy > disappear, there is no cause left for anger and anger goes away > automatically. His desires recede and turn to God, with the result > that now his worldly actions are dictated by a sense of duty rather > than by passion. His behaviour automatically becomes proper and he > lives in the world without being affected by it, just as a lotus leaf > lives in water without getting wet. Such a man has no external > enemies left, and his sameness rules over the whole Nature. None is > capable of disturbing his kingdom of peace. It is such a person who > is "samadarshii" (impartial, dispassionate) and a great victor, who > can carry the world towards the goal of lasting peace and happiness. > > Therefore, a victory over the inner hexagon is the highest form of > victory, and it is to achieving this great victory that man should > direct his efforts.' > Thanks for posting this.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment description like you have not heard
> Well it certainly sounds hilarious! 0- it IS - it is the great cosmic joke - as there is no one there to be Enlightened. What remains is Reality. There is Bliss but not a someone to be blissful. The past is over as if it never was. The Divine Essence which is Life is what is paramount and Known. One cannot manufacture it with mundane mind. One cannot fathom it in imagination. It is not what one surmises it to be no matter how astute their intellectualizms may be. It is a Mystery and Wonder. Maha Shanti
[FairfieldLife] Lurker notice in out Yahoo group
Om Namo Narayan 0 - why is it that ego has the egotisitcal mindset that through lurking one has no obligations to support what is given here, and that if one just remains under the radar that they will hear Just the Right thing and then they can do it ALL on their own. If ego could do it on it's own and didn't need a Guru at all then there would be no need to lurk and Hope to glean just the *right* thing in order to progress. If you feel you need No Guru and can do it all on your own - this is quite fine - then go do so. But be honest in this. Don't play the game of conning yourself that chasing teacher after teacher and Darshan after Darshan is consistent with doing it All on *your* own. That is a lie of the egotistical mind. So either participate here or unsub and enjoy your journey. The choice is yours - and for those who are deaf and have not ears to hear or seem to think that they are the Except to this rule - the choice will be made for you. The methodolgy here may not be for everyone - and that is fine, but don't hang here as this site is a priviledge and not a right simply because there is an open membership. Respect the site - respect the teachers and teachings - respect the practices and if using them, then support and give back for what is being given. To not do so in some manner is to be less than honest. The first 3 things taught here are 1. Honesty 2. Integrity 3. Transparency If these are not willing to be followed through with then please enjoy your journey to greener pastures which are always on the other side of the fence. For those who are following through may your journey's continue to unfold to Realization where suffering is no more. Maha Shanti
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield New concept: Once I took a Majorcan moonlight stroll with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- along with about 200 others trailing him, and I don't remember his words, but his concept was that the Moon was a powerhouse of LOVE shining on all of us that night. I was once in a small room with a group of people watching Maharishi discuss something with Vernon Katz. Maharishi commented that the Pitris (HYPERLINK "http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Wood-NuttallEncyclopaedia/p/pitris.html"http:// www.fromoldbooks.org/Wood-NuttallEncyclopaedia/p/pitris.html) live on the moon. I said something like, “How can they live on the moon? There’s no air.” Maharishi looked at me like I was an idiot and carried on. On another occasion, on a full moon boat ride, Maharishi said something about the moon producing soma. I asked him to elaborate, and he said, “Isn’t it obvious?” Oh well. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM
[FairfieldLife] Come on already! /Re: Lurker notice in out Yahoo group
Gimminee critters, Ron. Here you go again. You are a nice, sincere guy, but this proselytizing is a drag. Isn't it an edifice of the ego, that you are always decrying? Who are you to tell lurkers on this site that they are not welcome just to read the posts, and what authority do you have to analyze give advice on the spiritual life of strangers? It's one thing to present your fundamentalist opinions. There's a certain enjoyment for others in reading them. If nothing else, it clarifies what we object to and why. But to lay into people you don't even know and tell them what they ought to do smacks of spiritual arrogance. Why not be who you are, and let those who resonnate naturally join up with you. This little epistle is reminiscent of the bible thumpers from another tradition, who share many of your same attitudes. Give it a rest. People are welcome to come here, to read, to post, to leave, whatever they feel to do. It's not your job to be gatekeeper. - Bronte Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Om Namo Narayan 0 - why is it that ego has the egotisitcal mindset that through lurking one has no obligations to support what is given here, and that if one just remains under the radar that they will hear Just the Right thing and then they can do it ALL on their own. If ego could do it on it's own and didn't need a Guru at all then there would be no need to lurk and Hope to glean just the *right* thing in order to progress. If you feel you need No Guru and can do it all on your own - this is quite fine - then go do so. But be honest in this. Don't play the game of conning yourself that chasing teacher after teacher and Darshan after Darshan is consistent with doing it All on *your* own. That is a lie of the egotistical mind. So either participate here or unsub and enjoy your journey. The choice is yours - and for those who are deaf and have not ears to hear or seem to think that they are the Except to this rule - the choice will be made for you. The methodolgy here may not be for everyone - and that is fine, but don't hang here as this site is a priviledge and not a right simply because there is an open membership. Respect the site - respect the teachers and teachings - respect the practices and if using them, then support and give back for what is being given. To not do so in some manner is to be less than honest. The first 3 things taught here are 1. Honesty 2. Integrity 3. Transparency If these are not willing to be followed through with then please enjoy your journey to greener pastures which are always on the other side of the fence. For those who are following through may your journey's continue to unfold to Realization where suffering is no more. Maha Shanti - Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield
When I read, "I am a volunteer of the intergalactic federation." on Lou's website, I know its time to stop reading. ;-) --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You may remember Lou, and if youve been around > longer, LB. I highly > recommend LBs show. You can listen wherever you are > in the world by tuning > in at 1pm Central Time every Wednesday at HYPERLINK > "http://www.kruufm.com/"http://www.kruufm.com/. > Click on the left where it > says Listen to our Live Stream. You can call in to > the show at (641) > 209-1083. > > Dear Friends of Fairfield, > HYPERLINK > "http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/objcts/anmls/clips/dove-clip"; > > > > I will be interviewed by LB Shriver on Wednesday > October 3rd from 1:00 to > 2:00PM on KRUU Radio which is 100.1 on your FM dial. > If you can't tune in > tell your friends. He will interview me about my > book "The Future of Yoga" > endorsed by Deepak Chopra and available at 21st > Century Books. Ask Tony the > store manager for a copy. It's on sale for $10.00. > > > > I will also be talking about Pluto transiting > through the sign of Capricorn > and its effect from the start of 2008 through the > spring of 2009. The > effects for Fairfield Iowa because both Maharishi > and Tony Nader are born > under the sign of Capricorn in the Western system. > Pluto is ruled by Shiva > so this directly effects our tradition. > > > > I have met so many people in Fairfield and have been > here for almost three > months now. There is so much to do and so many > people to meet. I look > forward to seeing all of you from time to time and > continue to pray and > meditate for world peace. Thank you for your > sharing's of life. It has and > continues to enrich my life. > > > > I will also start to advertise astrological readings > for both Western and > Vedic or combined. You can visit my website at > HYPERLINK > "http://www.yogavisionaries.com/"Astrological > Varieties for more > information. See you soon. > > > > Love and Light, > > Lou Valentino > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > PS. For those who feel comfortable opening an > attachment I have attached a > song I wrote for Maharishi. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - > Release Date: 9/29/2007 > 9:46 PM > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > bob_brigante wrote: > > > > I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying > > you have to sell $50K a month of AV products? > > If so, only a few big city placements will do this well, I think. > > this could work, if MAPI products became popular ... but only if > there is a -very strong- and -constant- TV advertising campaign > that actually *inspires* the average consumer. (like Apple iPod ads, > for example.) > > > The winning point of the program is that every participating shop > > will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda products > > (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be spent > > per shop in national and state-wide publicity, > > my guess is, this is by far not a big enough advertising budget > for the kind of sucess they are dreaming of. > Sounds like the 'Nigerian' branch of Millioaire Ayeurvedic shopkeeping to me Give us a million and we'll give back some of the interest, maybe JohnY
RE: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield When I read, "I am a volunteer of the intergalactic federation." on Lou's website, I know its time to stop reading. ;-) What federation do you belong to? Some puny sub-galactic one? And are you a volunteer or are you paid? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM
[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have been carefully staying out of this, > partly because, on the few non-argument- > driven forums I hang out in on the Net, > abortion is a banned issue. > > The reason is that, as someone said earlier, > one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's > that kinda issue. > > You're either "for" or "against." Like > pregnancy itself, it's tough to find a > middle ground amongst all the rhetoric. > > So, just for something fun to do on a > sunny afternoon in Sitges after a rain, > with the environment washed clean and my > self feeling similarly so, I think I'll > actually violate a personal rule and > weigh in on the subject. Just this once. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "oneradiantbeing" > wrote: > > > > > > Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining > > > to abort is incredibly cruel. > > Mainstream, have you ever been the guy > helping a woman to get through an abortion? > > From the way you speak, I have to imagine > that you have not. I have, several times. And > none of the fetuses in question had the slight- > est DNA link to my own. I tried to help the > women through a painful experience because > they were in pain and I wanted to help, in > any way I could. > > One of the only ways in which I found that I > *could* be helpful was just not to judge. > > I'm sorry, but there is just one enormous load > of judgment in your statement above. It's in > the second and third words of the sentence. > > "'Wanton disregard' of the fetus?" > > How about wanton disregard of the carrier of > the fetus? > > It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision. > You're trying to make it sound as if it is one. > > I'm sorry, but if you had been the shoulder to > cry on for as many women who have made the > decision to have an abortion as I have, I don't > think you'd talk the way you did above. > > > > DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government > > > to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and > > > force them to reproduce against their will. > > The bottom line is actually more sinister than > that. When abortion is banned, the religion or > government in question has abducted the woman's > right to *have* a will. > > It's a power game. They're trying to impose > *their* will on the will of all the women whom > they mistakenly think they "govern." Whether it's > a priest or a state governor, it's almost always > a man. And that man is saying to the women he is > supposed to *represent* within a democracy, "So > I understand that you think you have a will. I'm > here to tell you that you don't have one. No matter > what *you* decide about this fetus dwelling within > you, I am here to say -- definitively -- that your > ideas on this matter Just Don't Count. *I* am the > one who gets to decide what is right and what is > wrong in such matters, not you. Live with it. And > if you don't *like* living with it, please remem- > ber that I have the right [in the near past and, > if some people get their way, in one possible > future] to throw you in jail / excommunicate you. > But you do what you think is right. I'll wait." > > > If one doesn't want to reproduce, one should prevent pregnancy. > > There are many convenient ways of preventing pregnancy. > > There are many convenient ways of trying. Not > one of them is foolproof. > > Every one of the women I helped get through an > abortion was practicing -- and regularly, without > a single exception -- some purportedly effective > means of birth control. > > I'm sorry, Mainstream, but you're talkin' like a > priest or a politician -- and above all, like a > GUY -- trying your best to make women feel really, > really, really, really BAD about contemplating an > abortion, or having had one in the past. And in > my book, that puts you on a very, very, very, very > different plane of attention than the women I held > while they sobbed their way through the experience > you so blithely call "wanton disregard of the fetus." > > You have NOTHING to say about it. > > It's not your body. > > It's not your decision. > You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the entrance to an abortiion clinic in protest. How dare you suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that abortion is cruel! Regarding your compassionate support to so many women tormented by their decision to abort - I think you had alot more involvement in their basic predicament, and that you lobbied for the eventual decision that caused them so much pain.
[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > I have been carefully staying out of this, > > partly because, on the few non-argument- > > driven forums I hang out in on the Net, > > abortion is a banned issue. > > > > The reason is that, as someone said earlier, > > one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's > > that kinda issue. > > > > You're either "for" or "against." Like > > pregnancy itself, it's tough to find a > > middle ground amongst all the rhetoric. > > > > So, just for something fun to do on a > > sunny afternoon in Sitges after a rain, > > with the environment washed clean and my > > self feeling similarly so, I think I'll > > actually violate a personal rule and > > weigh in on the subject. Just this once. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "oneradiantbeing" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining > > > > to abort is incredibly cruel. > > > > Mainstream, have you ever been the guy > > helping a woman to get through an abortion? > > > > From the way you speak, I have to imagine > > that you have not. I have, several times. And > > none of the fetuses in question had the slight- > > est DNA link to my own. I tried to help the > > women through a painful experience because > > they were in pain and I wanted to help, in > > any way I could. > > > > One of the only ways in which I found that I > > *could* be helpful was just not to judge. > > > > I'm sorry, but there is just one enormous load > > of judgment in your statement above. It's in > > the second and third words of the sentence. > > > > "'Wanton disregard' of the fetus?" > > > > How about wanton disregard of the carrier of > > the fetus? > > > > It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision. > > You're trying to make it sound as if it is one. > > > > I'm sorry, but if you had been the shoulder to > > cry on for as many women who have made the > > decision to have an abortion as I have, I don't > > think you'd talk the way you did above. > > > > > > DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government > > > > to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and > > > > force them to reproduce against their will. > > > > The bottom line is actually more sinister than > > that. When abortion is banned, the religion or > > government in question has abducted the woman's > > right to *have* a will. > > > > It's a power game. They're trying to impose > > *their* will on the will of all the women whom > > they mistakenly think they "govern." Whether it's > > a priest or a state governor, it's almost always > > a man. And that man is saying to the women he is > > supposed to *represent* within a democracy, "So > > I understand that you think you have a will. I'm > > here to tell you that you don't have one. No matter > > what *you* decide about this fetus dwelling within > > you, I am here to say -- definitively -- that your > > ideas on this matter Just Don't Count. *I* am the > > one who gets to decide what is right and what is > > wrong in such matters, not you. Live with it. And > > if you don't *like* living with it, please remem- > > ber that I have the right [in the near past and, > > if some people get their way, in one possible > > future] to throw you in jail / excommunicate you. > > But you do what you think is right. I'll wait." > > > > > If one doesn't want to reproduce, one should prevent pregnancy. > > > There are many convenient ways of preventing pregnancy. > > > > There are many convenient ways of trying. Not > > one of them is foolproof. > > > > Every one of the women I helped get through an > > abortion was practicing -- and regularly, without > > a single exception -- some purportedly effective > > means of birth control. > > > > I'm sorry, Mainstream, but you're talkin' like a > > priest or a politician -- and above all, like a > > GUY -- trying your best to make women feel really, > > really, really, really BAD about contemplating an > > abortion, or having had one in the past. And in > > my book, that puts you on a very, very, very, very > > different plane of attention than the women I held > > while they sobbed their way through the experience > > you so blithely call "wanton disregard of the fetus." > > > > You have NOTHING to say about it. > > > > It's not your body. > > > > It's not your decision. > > You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the > entrance to an abortiion clinic in protest. How dare you > suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that abortion > is cruel! Regarding your compassionate support to so > many women tormented by their decision to abort - I think > you had alot more involvement in their basic predicament, > and that you lobbied for the eventual decision that cau
[FairfieldLife] Come on already! /Re: Lurker notice in out Yahoo group
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gimminee critters, Ron. Here you go again. You are a nice, sincere guy, but this proselytizing is a drag. Isn't it an edifice of the ego, that you are always decrying? > > Who are you to tell lurkers on this site that they are not welcome just to read the posts, and what authority do you have to analyze give advice on the spiritual life of strangers? Er, Bronte, read the original thread title again, then look at the end of the post. Ron is quoting the post of somebody called Maha Shanti who appears to be the moderator of another Yahoo group in which Ron participates. It's not Ron telling lurkers on FFL that they aren't welcome. It's one thing to present your fundamentalist opinions. There's a certain enjoyment for others in reading them. If nothing else, it clarifies what we object to and why. But to lay into people you don't even know and tell them what they ought to do smacks of spiritual arrogance. > > Why not be who you are, and let those who resonnate naturally join up with you. This little epistle is reminiscent of the bible thumpers from another tradition, who share many of your same attitudes. Give it a rest. People are welcome to come here, to read, to post, to leave, whatever they feel to do. It's not your job to be gatekeeper. > > - Bronte > > > Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Om Namo Narayan 0 - > > why is it that ego has the egotisitcal mindset that through > lurking one has no obligations to support what is given > here, and that if one just remains under the radar that they > will hear Just the Right thing and then they can do it ALL > on their own. > > If ego could do it on it's own and didn't need > a Guru at all then there would be no need to lurk and Hope > to glean just the *right* thing in order to progress. > > If you feel you need No Guru and can do it all on your own - > this is quite fine - then go do so. But be honest in this. > Don't play the game of conning yourself that chasing > teacher after teacher and Darshan after Darshan is consistent > with doing it All on *your* own. That is a lie of the egotistical > mind. > > So either participate here or unsub and enjoy your journey. > The choice is yours - and for those who are deaf and have > not ears to hear or seem to think that they are the Except to > this rule - the choice will be made for you. > > The methodolgy here may not be for everyone - and that is > fine, but don't hang here as this site is a priviledge and not > a right simply because there is an open membership. > > Respect the site - respect the teachers and teachings - respect > the practices and if using them, then support and give back > for what is being given. To not do so in some manner is to be > less than honest. The first 3 things taught here are > > 1. Honesty > 2. Integrity > 3. Transparency > > If these are not willing to be followed through with then please > enjoy your journey to greener pastures which are always on the > other side of the fence. > > For those who are following through may your journey's continue to > unfold to Realization where suffering is no more. > > Maha Shanti > > > > > > > - > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I read, "I am a volunteer of the intergalactic > federation." on Lou's website, I know its time to > stop reading. ;-) You would prefer that he was a paid employee?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
.
The date of the lecture of MMY (to which this text relates) is the: 5th May
1992.
The message of this text is just as fresh and relevant as if the message were
from today - as the global (and personal?)
turbulance is going on ...
It seems to be a very long going on turbulent phase transition.
(But: Be aware of the lenght of the ages ...!)
So the message "Don't get shaken. Stay by your Self" is still to be taken
seriously.
"Maharishi strongly emphasised the great need to be completely self-referral
during these times ...!"
Jai Guru Dev
__
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 30.09.07 01:19:40
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
"MMY on Phase Transition"
Be unshakable now!
We are in the middle of the phase transition. - Maharishi strongly emphasised
the
great need to be completely self-referral during these times of very rapid
phase
transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness ('bubbling
around') in
world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility of the whole
meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the transition to take
place as
quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is very necessary
because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.
In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for that shaking to
remain
under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to be Para
i.e.
unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, the fast moving
chaos
and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be very steady.
Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya at present
being
performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous shaking around
in
world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in nature (as
'RRR'
in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the yagya and
causing
the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis (the basic
building
blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting sorted out
to come
into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11 times 11 times
11
pundits ...
We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If we loose our
basis,
our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give importance
to
things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious time for the
world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it be shaken.
Our
awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever before we
are
ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands we remain
completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us we should
not
become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean.
The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after
some
time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added ... It
is the
awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.
_
Jai Guru Dev
...
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[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > You have NOTHING to say about it. > > > > > > It's not your body. > > > > > > It's not your decision. > > > > You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the > > entrance to an abortiion clinic in protest. How dare you > > suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that abortion > > is cruel! > > > Wow. > > This is so insane that I'm a little afraid. > > Now you know why I don't discuss abortion; > it brings out the inner fanatic in people. Actually, he's right on target in the part I quoted. Whether what men have to say, pro or con, about abortion *counts* is one thing; it's quite another to tell them they have no right to express an opinion. Just imagine the fireworks if someone told Barry he had "nothing to say" about something upon which he'd made one of his pronouncements!
[FairfieldLife] Come on already! /Re: Lurker notice in out Yahoo group
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter > wrote: > > > > Gimminee critters, Ron. Here you go again. You are a nice, sincere > guy, but this proselytizing is a drag. Isn't it an edifice of the > ego, that you are always decrying? > > > > Who are you to tell lurkers on this site that they are not > welcome just to read the posts, and what authority do you have to > analyze give advice on the spiritual life of strangers? > > Er, Bronte, read the original thread title again, > then look at the end of the post. Ron is quoting > the post of somebody called Maha Shanti who appears > to be the moderator of another Yahoo group in which > Ron participates. It's not Ron telling lurkers on > FFL that they aren't welcome. > Yes, I was just posting what takes place in my yahoo group I belong to which is my path. But I was cracking up when I read Bronte's post. I totally agree with the points if I were directing the comments to this group. hope this clears that up. Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Comments from an enlightened one
Note From Hridaya- I pick out interesting comments from the enlightened in my Path- 0= Swami G, S= Swami Fisshananda, and then Sarojini. These short comments coming from the three have similar or the same air to them because it is that One essence from which they speak. Maybe some enjoy these here: Question from seeker: >* It must be both sad and funny to see > the seeker running around looking for > that which is already right there in > the very midst of them, but it is not > so funny for the one who suffers, and > is so caught up in ego they are blind > to the very 'Thing', which is already > right there - NOW. S - The laughter that bubbles up from the absolute is like a fountainit is not directed at anything or any-one at all (that is what is so funny and brings more laughter). All who have awakened to the true nature have walked the very same path as others the path of ignorance (attachment to body and mind). To see others struggling and know that the struggle and suffering is needless, that there is another reality to be entered that gives rise to freedom and joy here and NOW is why the awakened one gives pointings and continues working with humanity.
[FairfieldLife] oops- S= Swami Siddhananda
Title says it all
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
Personally I think it's all wishful thinking, it would be nice if it actually were true. I mean, you know the Purushas actually functioning from the home of all the laws of nature, but I doubt any of them have even fully transcended once! (Don't forget, kundalini is the path of transcending, there is no other way to enlightenment and if only one or two actually do transcend that still does not quality to achieve the MMY effect!
[FairfieldLife] Yogic flyer spotted in Romania
"Superman" Seen Over Romania Romania: Investigations are underway into claims by approximately twenty villagers from Gemeni in Mehedinti county that a figure that looked remarkably like Superman flew above their village for a period of time. According to local police all the witness statements are consistent. "He looked like Superman and was flying slowly at about 100 yards from the ground in a standing position. He didn't make any smoke or sound. Just cruising around," said one witness. "We talked to people of different ages who are all reliable citizens in our village. They all said they saw this strange creature who flew over their houses in his shiny blue costume. We'll just have to see what happens next," said a police officer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> "Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace"
>
> Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and
> we don't seem anywhere near "peace". Either this works or it
doesn't.
> I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just
> making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
>
> Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras.
>
*
NASA did some work on the ketchup transition, and I believe it's
relevant to the phase transition that MMY is talking about, which
really began when Guru Dev left his cave to bring enlightenment to
the world, determined to shake out the entropy.
Although the phenomenon of shear thinning in fluids is not really
understood, it's analogous to another phase transition, the
transition from high disorder in the Kaliyuga to the orderliness and
bliss of the Sat Yuga:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/07jun_elastic_fluids.htm
The change from K- to S- yuga will be real quick, like ketchup
leaving the bottle, but it's not obvious that anything is happening
until it happens. As MMY sez, we're shaking the enlightenment bottle,
and if you don't have confidence that that is what is happening,
that's OK, but don't be surprised when the world changes:
"The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity,
awakening is added ..."
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > im curious when did the maharishi say this?
> > > is it in response to something recent, like
> > > the monks in Burma getting killed?
> > >
> > > or, is this a preperation for something
> > > "on the horizon" like another 9/11 that
> > > maharishi forsees?
> > >
> > > or is this an old quote from some privious times ...
> > > we've been hearing about "phase transitions" since
> > > the 70's, for heaven sake!
> > >
> > > ati rudra bishek, isnt that a yagya for peace?
> > > not "shaking" and "fast moving chaos" which is
> > > the opposite
> > >
> > >
> >
> > **
> >
> >
> > Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace, but those elements
that
> > resist being orderly and peaceful will be shaken out of the
> picture,
> > so we should avoid being shaken and just understand that the
power
> of
> > nature is just doing its thing and is behind this transition to
> > Satyuga:
> >
> > "The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
> > then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of
> purity,
> > awakening is added ..."
> >
> > >
> > > > ve-da wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Be unshakable now!
> > > > We are in the middle of the phase transition. - Maharishi
> > strongly
> > > emphasised the
> > > > great need to be completely self-referral during these times
of
> > very
> > > rapid phase
> > > > transition. He said that there was quite a lot of
unsettledness
> > > ('bubbling around') in
> > > > world consciousness at present and that it is the
> responsibility
> > of
> > > the whole
> > > > meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the
> > > transition to take place as
> > > > quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This
is
> > > very necessary
> > > > because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.
> > > >
> > > > In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and
for
> > that
> > > shaking to remain
> > > > under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para,
> have
> > > to be Para i.e.
> > > > unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state,
> the
> > > fast moving chaos
> > > > and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to
be
> > very
> > > steady.
> > > >
> > > > Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek'
> yagya
> > > at present being
> > > > performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous
> > > shaking around in
> > > > world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value
in
> > > nature (as 'RRR'
> > > > in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by
the
> > > yagya and causing
> > > > the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight
prakritis
> > (the
> > > basic building
> > > > blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is
> getting
> > > sorted out to come
> > > > into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves
11
> > > times 11 times 11
> > > > pundits ...
> > > >
> > > > We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big
things.
> If
> > > we loose our basis,
> > > > our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer.
Don't
> > give
> > > importance to
> > > > things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very
> precious
> > > time for the
> > > > world. Everything depends on how our
[FairfieldLife] KN Rao on the Dreadful Year 2007
http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/dreadful_year_2007.htm the Saturn - Ketu conjunction has started , the worst influence from it is mid October when Saturn is weak due to its dispositer changing signs. The worst will be averted by the Yogis and Yagya performers of the world, Maharishi chief amoung them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kundalini Through The Chakras
2007-09-30
Thread
Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Thank you for your effort, Bill. I've explored simplifying my message further yet cannot find any simpler way of asking what I've asked, and no, my question is not a statement, it is a question. On 9/29/07, billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, also, but I don't understand what you are looking for here. You > asked for "classic descriptions" as well as personal experiences. These > classical descriptions are found in the yoga and tantric texts of early and > medieval Hinduism and Buddhism. > > Your reply seems unusual. Are you actually asking something that is a real > question to you or are you wanting to make a statement about how things are? > Perhaps you are looking for descriptions that accord with your own ideas as > evidenced in your reply. > > Sorry, but I don't think I can help much. However, Vaj also shares this > background, so perhaps you can query him. > > > > *"Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. > Who'd've Thunk It?" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > Regardless of what one "believes", Bill, the kundalini precedes, in the > continuity of the cosmos, such prejudices. Symptoms of it passing through > the chakras has to do with nonprejudicial experiences. > > So, I don't understand the question, sorry. > > *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable > thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such > persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace > to society.* > *I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no > place in my mission.* > > > > On 9/29/07, emptybill <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > Functionalist Buddhist Tantra or Structuralist Hindu Tantra? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mystical Sadhu" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have descriptions of experiences, perceptions resulting > > from > > > raising the kundalini through the various chakras? > > > > > > "Classic" descriptions as well as personal experiences. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Satya > > > > > > When Shakyamuni Buddha was at Mount Grdhrakuta, he held up a flower to > > his > > > listeners. Everyone was silent. Only Mahakashyapa broke into a broad > > smile. > > > The Buddha said, "I have the True Dharma Eye, the Marvelous Mind of > > Nirvana, > > > the True Form of the Formless, and the Subtle Dharma Gate, independent > > > > of > > > words and transmitted beyond doctrine. This I have entrusted to > > Mahakashyapa." > >
[FairfieldLife] Here's a parable
Namaste Beautiful ones, Here's a parable: There was a man who had heard of this great thing called "air". He had never seen air before, experienced air before or even knew that air existed. So, he went to a local teacher of air to teach him all about it. "What is air? Where is it? How can I find it?", he asked. "It is right here. All around you. You are in it right now.", said the teacher. "Where? I don't see it? What does it look like? What should I be looking for? How do I catch it?", he responded. "There is no 'where', because it is everywhere. You can't see it because it is nothing. You can't look for it, because you will never find it. You can't catch it or hold it because it is nothing.", answered the teacher. "Well, I want to be a part of this air that many say is what gives life. I want to understand it. I want to experience it. I want to swim in it, be in it and breathe in it." "You Already Always Are.", replied the teacher. "I don't understand. I don't feel it. I don't see it. I can't hold it. I don't know what this air is or how to be in it.", said the frustrated man. "You would not be alive and breathing if it were not for this air, which can not be seen, touched, grasped or known as It IS. You believe it isn't right in front of you because of this. Yet, here, there, everywhere it Already Always IS. Silent and being... bringing life to your lungs.", answered the understanding teacher. So the man went home, exhausted and confused, hoping that he would be able to understand this air that brings life and wondering why he could not see, feel or touch what the teacher said was always there. That night during sleep the man stopped breathing. In panic and dread he began gasping and coughing. In then the next instant he breathed and now knew that this air was always there. More familiar to him than anything else. It had been ignored because it was so close, so familiar, so ordinary, unseen, untouchable, pure expanse and was a part of his being. What did he lose? Nothing but the misunderstanding. What did he gain? Nothing, it was Already Always there. What was the result? The constant and continual Gratefulness and Joy for this breath which gave him Life. It was not separate from him nor he from it. It was the Breath of his Being. Maha Shanti O, Sarojini
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace" > > Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and > we don't seem anywhere near "peace". Either this works or it doesn't. > I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just > making excuses based on a very questionable theory? > > Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras. > I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but I just read your words, and you're like, c'mon guys! its taken 30 whole years to transform every element of the world, and I don't see any clear evidence yet!!! I don't see it-- what's taking so damned long?... Pretty funny actually, when you consider that even global warming for goodness sake took almost two hundred years to begin manifesting, and here we are 30 short years into a far more profound transformation, and you're already yelping, "where's the beef!?". Relax...:-)
[FairfieldLife] We need Off-World -- including his astronomical observations (Re: To Off-World)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Off, > > You know I have not had much positivity for your actions here, but > yesterday, and you KNOW I hate to admit this, you were cogent, right > on, clear, and "good reading" in several posts and parts of posts. So > much so, that I almost replied with a big thumbs up, but then just as > I was about to do so, another of your posts came wherein you "lost it" > and began the kicking and screaming lashing out toddler stuff.>> Actually its kicking and screaming and lashing out like a grown up man, but hey, that's just the real world. Someone says the cowardly stuff they say to me here, but face to face in the real world, it would be an interesting interaction of form, rhythm, movement, angle, momentum, collision, and vector fractals that would result. > > With so many here trying to bite their tongues, sticking to the good > stuff>> But they are not. They are incredibly rude and hateful. It never ends. If someone says to me, as qntpkt, who started this whole thing said, that I am wrong because I am wrong and don't what I am talking about, it is absolutely no difference from saying : "You are [EMAIL PROTECTED]&ing moronic turd OffWorld" . And then that same person says that he deliberatley trolls the internet trying to get people angry by engaging them in combative irrational and useless arguments for the sole puropose of getting them angery, then I think the person should be banned. I do not believe in backing down to such a low-life attitude. It only encourages them to become more of that. > > And the other day, the astronomers found this "very brief flash" of > radio waves in their data. A new thingy for them. Don't know quite > yet what it was -- maybe a black hole exploding or two neutron stars > colliding, but it was over in "a flash." So, when I first > starting posting here, I ripped you a new one for being so stupid as > to think you'd seen a supernova, I was not taking into consideration > that, hard as it is to imagine, you may have seen a very rare event -- never recorded by science before. Not a supernova, but something elsesomething way fast.>> And I remember at the time that I predicted that within one year you people here would hear scientists talking about such an event. (I could look back in the posts to find that prediction , but it would take too long right now.) Thanks for bringing this up though, much appreciated. Where did you read it? Note: to anyone I have not answered a post yet, it is just I have been too busy, but will do so soon.) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife]
Right, chill, ha! ha! It really is a joke -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge > wrote: > > > > "Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace" > > > > Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years > and > > we don't seem anywhere near "peace". Either this works or it > doesn't. > > I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just > > making excuses based on a very questionable theory? > > > > Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras. > > > I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but I just read your words, and > you're like, c'mon guys! its taken 30 whole years to transform every > element of the world, and I don't see any clear evidence yet!!! I > don't see it-- what's taking so damned long?... > > Pretty funny actually, when you consider that even global warming > for goodness sake took almost two hundred years to begin > manifesting, and here we are 30 short years into a far more profound > transformation, and you're already yelping, "where's the beef!?". > Relax...:-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
The President of Iran wants to hasten his version of the AofE by resurrecting the 12th. Imam, and his method is not closing the eyes twice a day with a bija mantra. Is this what we all envisioned back in 1975? Oh right, chill, just take it as it comes, never minding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge > wrote: > > > > "Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace" > > > > Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years > and > > we don't seem anywhere near "peace". Either this works or it > doesn't. > > I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just > > making excuses based on a very questionable theory? > > > > Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras. > > > I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but I just read your words, and > you're like, c'mon guys! its taken 30 whole years to transform every > element of the world, and I don't see any clear evidence yet!!! I > don't see it-- what's taking so damned long?... > > Pretty funny actually, when you consider that even global warming > for goodness sake took almost two hundred years to begin > manifesting, and here we are 30 short years into a far more profound > transformation, and you're already yelping, "where's the beef!?". > Relax...:-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Pluto is ruled by Shiva" -- eh, references? Make sure the refs are > at least a thousand years old. For me it's inuff, that transiting Pluto conjunct Soviet Sun seemed to "cause" the dissolution of Soviet Union, that is claimed to have been predicted by Dane Rudhyar in the 70's. Furthermore, transiting Pluto was, AFAIK, on US ascendant (7/4/1776, 5.14 PM, Philadelphia, PA?) 9/11/2001... >
[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion
Oh, goodie. :-) It's not every morning that I get a chance to start my day off with a good rant, but here I have two idiots offering me an opportunity to do so, on a silver platter. I simply cannot resist. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > You have NOTHING to say about it. > > > > > > > > It's not your body. > > > > > > > > It's not your decision. > > > > > > You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the > > > entrance to an abortiion clinic in protest. How dare you > > > suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that abortion > > > is cruel! > [ the rest of mainstream's post, so carefully snipped by Judy, hereby reinserted ] > > > Regarding your compassionate support to so many women > > > tormented by their decision to abort - I think you > > > had alot more involvement in their basic predicament, > > > and that you lobbied for the eventual decision that > > > caused them so much pain. [ my response to mainstream ] > > Wow. > > > > This is so insane that I'm a little afraid. > > > > Now you know why I don't discuss abortion; > > it brings out the inner fanatic in people. [ Judy, being...uh...herself ] > Actually, he's right on target in the part I quoted. > > Whether what men have to say, pro or con, about > abortion *counts* is one thing; it's quite another > to tell them they have no right to express an > opinion. > > Just imagine the fireworks if someone told Barry > he had "nothing to say" about something upon > which he'd made one of his pronouncements! Ok, you guys started this. Now sit back and take what's comin' to ya. There is NOT ONE WORD in my original post in which I suggested that mainstream should not express his opinion on this subject. I did NOT tell him that he had "nothing to say" ON THE SUBJECT. I told him he had nothing to say about the *decision* any woman makes on this subject. And he doesn't. Mainstream, whether he believes it or not, really IS (at heart) one of those guys who *would* stand in the doorway of a doctor's office (which he would demonize by calling it an "abortion clinic") and try to stop some woman from having an abortion. But he doesn't have the balls to do that. So instead he tries to make the woman feel GUILTY about her decision. That's the form of punishment he metes out for her type of "sin." And when I stood up for the women and pointed out that he was trying to characterize them unfairly, he decided to try to mete out some of the same punishment to me. He made up a story in his head (which says a great deal more about him than about me) that I was the father of these poor, aborted fetuses, and that I was there at the women's side, urging them to kill these poor human beings without a care. I NEVER EVEN HAD SEX WITH ANY OF THESE WOMEN. THEY WERE MY FRIENDS. I can see how mainstream might have a problem with this concept. For him it must be difficult to imagine a man just being friends with a woman and trying to help her through a tough time. He'd much rather try to make her feel bad -- and GUILTY -- about having come to a decision about what to do with an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. In his mind, that makes him some kind of moral giant, a man protecting the poor, helpless fetuses of the world against those callous women who would murder them. To me it just makes him JUST ANOTHER GUY, trying to impose his will on women whose will and whose rights he doesn't understand and doesn't respect. And when another guy comes along and busts him for being such a male chauvinist pig, he lashes out and calls me a liar, and makes up a whole story that some- how implicates me in the "murder," and allows him to try to make ME feel guilty, too. Didn't work. All it did was inspire in me an enormous sense of pity for someone this insane, whose fanaticism has blinded him to the fact that what he's trying to do by expres- sing his opinion on a subject that doesn't concern him personally is make the women whom it *does* concern feel GUILTY about their decisions. I'm sorry, but pity is *all* I can feel for him. I did NOT say that he should speak about this subject -- he imagined that, and so did Judy (in his case because he's blinded by hatred for those he considers murderers, and he wanted to consider me an "accomplice"; in her case because she's just blinded by hatred, period), and they made up stuff in my post THAT WASN'T THERE, and then turned it into an excuse to dump on me. Mainstream has nothing to say about whether a woman has an abortion. Even if he succeeded in getting laws passed to make it illegal he'd have nothing to say about it. He just hated being reminded of his powerlessness, and wanted to consider himself a big, powerful, moral MAN whose wo
