[FairfieldLife] Hindu Milk Miracle
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[FairfieldLife] Two Horses
There is a field, with two horses in it. Froma distance, each horse looks like any other horse. But if you stop yourcar, or are walking by, you will notice something quite amazing. Lookinginto the eyes of one horse will disclose that he is blind. His owner haschosen not to have him put down, but has made a good home for him. Thisalone is amazing. If you stand nearby and listen, you will hear thesound of a bell. Looking around for the source of the sound, youwill see that it comes from the smaller horse in the field. Attached to the horse's halter is a small bell. It lets the blind friend know where the other horse is, so he canfollow. Asyou stand and watch these two horses, you'll see that the horse with thebell is always checking on the blind horse, and that the blind horse willlisten for the bell and then slowly walk to where the other horse is,trusting that he will not be led astray. When the horse with thebell returns to the shelter of the barn each evening, it stopsoccasionally and looks b ack, making sure that the blind friend isn't toofar behind to hear the bell. Likethe owners of these two horses, God does not throw us away just because weare not perfect or because we have problems or challenges. Hewatches over us and even brings others into our lives to help us when weare in need. Sometimes we are the blind horse being guided by thelittle ringing bell of those who God places in our lives. Othertimes we are the guide horse, helping others to find their way Good friends are like that... you may not always see them,but you know they are always there. Please listen for my bell andI'll listen for yours. And remember...be kinder than necessary-everyone you meet is fightingsome kind of battle. Live simply, Lovegenerously, Care deeply, Speak kindly Leave the rest toGod
[FairfieldLife] Tolle-Oprah Worldwide-Internet course ~ FREE
it's an amazing success with close to 2,000,000 people downloading the first archived class. you can download the video(and burn DVD), audio(MP3), Transcribed Text or view online if you have a slow dial-up, downloading the Transcribed Text(.pdf) will work there are eight more classes to go. you can register and participate online every Monday at 9PM EST or if you miss that, download as above ~ all for FREE many are having some sort of awakening shifts in consciousness including long time meditators, young people, Oprah, etc, etc it seems that the One-God-Self has a mind of it's own and is Awakening in those who are innocently receptive ? regardless if they were involved in spiritual practices or not see Oprah.com http://oprah.com/ http://oprah.com/ for details have fun and happy awakening oh, both Tolle books have been reduced from ~$15 to $7.70 at amazon.com http://amazon.com/ http://amazon.com/ A New Earth which the course is on (5,000,000 copies printed) and The Power of Now previous best seller it seems, Tolle's teaching on the ego(= identification with form ) as the only obstacle to Awakening is consistent with Amma's teaching (see Awaken Children especially Vol 7) also, both Amma and Tolle have said that it is a possibility the the human race may become extinct due to its extreme selfishness, brutality, and identification with form in any case, it behooves us to do our part to see if we can awaken, to help others awaken, and possibly help shift world consciousness God Bless, amarnath
[FairfieldLife] The best and worst decisions in life
interesting quotes from 4 different sources: ../../../../eternalbliss/message/76;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdjhuMGhoBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz\ E1BGdycElkAzE4NzM3NDI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRtc2dJZAM3NgRzZWMDZG1zZw\ RzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjA1MzM5ODkz From: awareness_only [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://us.f500.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]Su\ bj=%20Re%3AThe%20best%20and%20worst%20decisions%20in%20life 993. While mind exists, creeds too exist. When mind turns inward in Self-quest and gets caught up in the heart, no creed can in that peace serene survive. Ramana Maharshi ~~~ 35. The worst decision in life is to choose egotism over the opportunity to wake up. Vernon Howard ~~~ Yes, I AM that innermost part of you that sits within, and calmly waits and watches, knowing neither time nor space; for I AM the Eternal and fill all space. The Impersonal Life ~~~ people have for a long time accumulated mental delusions. They must not argue with worldly people, but must patiently meditate in their inner world of a pure mind in order to attain Enlightenment. The Teaching of Buddha ~~~ A positive way of stating Vernon Howard's sentence #35 above: The best decision in life is to choose the opportunity to wake up instead of egotism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL. She [Ruth] showed, over and over again, that she hadn't even bothered to read the URLs I posted and then, rather than saying well, I haven't had time yet, she instead left in a huff. You have an interesting definition of integrity here. As do you. She showed, over and over, that she *had* read the material she discussed. She just didn't see it the way you do. Did you see the moonwalking bear, Lawson? http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ No? Could it possibly have been because you had been told to look for something else? Same with the way you read the research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: LOL. She [Ruth] showed, over and over again, that she hadn't even bothered to read the URLs I posted and then, rather than saying well, I haven't had time yet, she instead left in a huff. You have an interesting definition of integrity here. As do you. She showed, over and over, that she *had* read the material she discussed. She just didn't see it the way you do. She questioned whether or not the study had been published in a peer reviewed journal. The publishing house is prominently display on the first page: Elsivier. Its a well-known publisher of scientific journals. She suggested that EEG research of the study was not ground-breaking when in fact, the first sentence in the study said it was not about EEG research. What am to conclude about her having looked at the first page of the study? What am I to conclude about YOU having looked at the first page of the study? Did you see the moonwalking bear, Lawson? http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ No? Could it possibly have been because you had been told to look for something else? Same with the way you read the research. As Judy has been known to say: non sequitur. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The best and worst decisions in life
The best decision in life: Choosing to date someone far too young for you. The worst decision in life: Answering Yes to the question, Do these pants make my butt look fat?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: LOL. She [Ruth] showed, over and over again, that she hadn't even bothered to read the URLs I posted and then, rather than saying well, I haven't had time yet, she instead left in a huff. You have an interesting definition of integrity here. As do you. She showed, over and over, that she *had* read the material she discussed. She just didn't see it the way you do. She questioned whether or not the study had been published in a peer reviewed journal. The publishing house is prominently display on the first page: Elsivier. Its a well-known publisher of scientific journals. She suggested that EEG research of the study was not ground- breaking when in fact, the first sentence in the study said it was not about EEG research. What am to conclude about her having looked at the first page of the study? That she never looked at it? That perhaps she, unlike you, has both a job and a life, and that both took higher priority than reading something you posted just because YOU have a need to believe that your blind trust in what you've been told was true? What am I to conclude about YOU having looked at the first page of the study? That I have zero interest in bullshit science used to bolster shaky faith? Did you see the moonwalking bear, Lawson? http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ No? Could it possibly have been because you had been told to look for something else? Same with the way you read the research. As Judy has been known to say: non sequitur. No, really...it isn't. You read the TM science the way you do because you WANT to see it as meaningful and accurate. And you do THAT because the TM technique *itself* isn't enough for you to believe in it. If it were, you'd be practicing it regularly instead of defending it here on FFL. You're caught in a cycle of trying to prove that what you were told years ago and believed without exercising any discrimination was true. Ruth perceived that vibe underneath your claims of objectivity and wrote you off and focused on more important things. Smart woman. You never answered the question. Did you see the bear first time around? If you didn't, how DARE you suggest that there is only one way to read a research paper and come to only one conclusion?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This test is part of a series on bicycle safety, and it's a real doozy. Try it and see how well you do: http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ I think it's *very* instructive, and has a lot to say about perception and, dare I say it, the tendency for people to claim that something is true because they saw it. Or haven't. Ha! That was great! I can count, but I can't see fer shit. That's the point, as I see it. NONE of us can see for shit. We see the stuff we've been told to look for. And if the people who told us what to look for themselves had somewhat...uh...limited vision? The bear was there all along; it's just that we were told to focus on something else, so we didn't see it. It became an invisible moonwalking bear. And when we DO see it, the fact that we missed it before is shocking. Many people react to this test by believing that the website showed them a different version of the film the first time around. They didn't. The bear was there all along. So how much of life is like that? How many other bears in the woods have we missed because we were busy looking for the piles of shit we'd been told to look for that indicated that bears were present? :-) I love this test because it reminds me of realization. When the illusion that we're not enlightened falls away, and we realize that not only are we enlightened but that we always have been, at every moment of our lives, does *that* bear only start to do its moonwalk dance of joy in the moment of realization, or has it been dancing all along? :-) The problem with seeking is that we've all been told what to seek FOR. And that prevents us from seeing that what we seek has been there all along.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Message from Raja Raam of Japan Konhaus
..blessed by Maharaj.. according to Konhaus, He said that he felt that we are all channels now, to bringing Maharishi to the world. He said in some very real sense we're the physical channels now, Okay, The Maharishi Spiritualism Regeneration Movement is official now. Is no longer just enough to be a meditator but you got to be channeling to really be in the middle of the know now. No just being a meditating meditator, more now than having faith and belief in Maharishi, you better be hearing from Maharishi if you want to go with this and be anywhere in this organization. You have not heard from Maharishi lately? Well, here we have it by royal authority, is now open season on Maharisihi channeling. Hence forth, when it is really official proclamations shall commence with, The Maharishi in me tells me The new Wireless MOU. Some are better tuned than others hence more in line with his thinking obviously. It's only official if, Maharishi says... Lessons coming on channeling next. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subj: Fwd: Message about Raja Raam Here's a great message from Raja Konhaus GLOBAL FAMILY CHAT - 3/07/08 RAJA KONHAUS Raja of Japan Today we had the great fortune of being blessed by Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Raam. He called a meeting of all the Global Ministers and all of the Rajas, to just express some of his thoughts and feelings and to share with us as a family, our thoughts and feelings about how his new process of Global Administration is unfolding. And I felt it was a very historic meeting, because Maharaj outlined to us his vision and his understanding of how the Movement would unfold now, to fulfill all of the goals that Maharishi has given us. I think it was abundantly evident to every Raja today, how carefully and completely Maharishi has cultured His Majesty to assume the role of an Enlightened Leader, to take the position of leadership in this Global Family, and two, it was abundantly clear to us how capable he was of fulfilling this role. He gave us a beautiful explanation. He said that he felt that we are all channels now, to bringing Maharishi to the world. He said in some very real sense we're the physical channels now, the physical expression of Maharishi himself. He said now there's not one Maharishi, but in some sense Maharishi is now expressing himself to all of us, that he has multiplied himself through all of us. It was a very beautiful expression he gave, and he said that Maharishi has cultured his own quality in each of us, patiently, diligently, through his love and his knowledge and his training, and his culturing. He has cultured that quality of himself in all of us, and so that value will come to the world now through the whole Global Family, which Maharishi has recreated himself in. And the conclusion Raja Raam-ji made of this expression, is that we should trust each other with the same love and the same respect that we treated Maharishi, and the reason for that was because we're seeing Maharishi in each other, and therefore that Maharishi deserves all of our love and respect and support. And Maharaj assured us, that through us and to all the Governors and the Sidhas of the world, that all of the great projects, all of the precious centers, all of the precious people that Maharishi has so carefully cultured, Maharaj gave us his assurance that he would now insure that all of these are brought to a very beautiful fulfillment. He said with the Finance Minister that he saw everyone as a kind of great engine, a great engine from Maharishi that was going to start now to move and bring fulfillment to the Movement. And Maharaj, we got the deep feeling that he was ready and that he was capable, to give us very practical and very enlightened leadership. All of the Rajas felt a great confidence in that leadership, and a great admiration for what Maharishi had created in him. So this is the understanding that Maharaj gave us today. He said that he's ready to play his role as the Leader of the Movement. He feels the continuity, he feels the continuity of the Tradition. He feels the strength, he feels Maharishi's support, and guidance to be able to lead the Movement. So for me today and for all of the Rajas, it was a very strengthening and comforting time to know that together Maharaj feels we can accomplish this. (http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm) **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301)
[FairfieldLife] How to read a scientific study
An old boss of mine taught me the best lesson I know of in how to read research or a thesis or a study or presentation paper of any kind. And he wasn't even a scientist. He was the leader of a group of computer programmers, whom he would often assign to write white papers on a piece of technology that the company we worked for was interested in using. He had strict instructions about the format of these white papers he assigned to us. They had to be of a certain length (no less than five and no more than ten pages) and the paper itself HAD to have a cover synopsis page in which we detailed our conclusions. This synopsis could NEVER be more than one page long. We always thought that he asked for the synopsis page because he was busy (he was) and didn't want to wade through the body of these white papers if he didn't have to. But then I hand-delivered one of the papers I had written to him, and got to watch what he did with the synopsis page. He took my white paper, glanced at the cover page for a moment to make sure it was there, and then he tore it off, wadded it up, and threw it in the trash can. *Then* he sat down and started to read the paper. I learned a lot in that moment. He didn't WANT our synopsis, which, after all, was nothing but our OPINION, based on what we had discov- ered and written about in the white papers. He wanted to read the raw facts in the papers themselves and come to his OWN opinion. And he wanted to do so with- out being pre-prejudiced by OUR opinions. THAT, in my opinion, is the way that someone (anyone) should read scientific research. If you read the researchers' precis or synopsis BEFORE you read the paper itself, you have allowed yourself to be pre- prejudiced. You might be pre-prejudiced *in favor of* the researchers' findings if you like their conclu- sions, or you might be pre-prejudiced *against* the researchers' findings if you don't like their conclu- sions, but either way, if you read their what we think section FIRST, you are going to start out pre-prejudiced. Remember the recently-posted Awareness Test? http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ THAT is what the clever designers of that study DID to you to make you miss the bear. They set you up, by telling you what to look for. Most of the research papers or theses or studies or white papers I've ever read DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING. They set up the readers by telling them what to look for. Sometimes it works in their favor, if what they are setting up the readers to see (or not see, if the set up is meant to distract the reader from something the researchers don't want them to notice) is in accord with their existing beliefs and prejudices about the subject being studied; sometimes it works against them if the set up runs counter to the readers' pre-existing prejudices. I guess I'm suggesting, by posting this here, that a lot of the talk, talk, talk on this forum about scientific research was done by people who were prejudiced one way or another before they even sat down to read the study in question. Then they became even more pre-prejudiced by reading the set up written by the researchers as their synopsis. And then -- and only then -- did they bother to read the meat of the study and draw their own conclu- sions based on what they read. I'm suggesting that if they saw a bear in the woods of some study, in most cases it was because they were TOLD that a bear was lurking there. Alternately, for the skeptics, the moment they were told that there was a bear in them thar woods, they decided that there wasn't one. And everything they read after that just reinforced their prejudices. My point? Watch the Awareness Test again and notice how cleverly you were set up to miss the bear the first time you saw it. Then, the NEXT time you sit down to read some research that you want people to believe you're objective about, tear off the synopsis page and don't read it until AFTER you've read the study itself. THEN maybe you'll have some credibility as to whether you saw a bear in them thar woods or not. Maybe.
[FairfieldLife] Re:Fwd: Message about Raja Raam of Japan Konhaus
He feels the strength, he feels Maharishi's support, and guidance to be able to lead the Movement. So for me today and for all of the Rajas, it was a very strengthening and comforting time to know that together Maharaj feels we can accomplish this. This is really an admission that the rajas did not feel strength or comfort in Maharaj's ability or Maharishi's support before the meeting. It's sad they have to talk themselves into confidence.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Message about Raja Raam of Japan Konhaus
He said now there's not one Maharishi, but in some sense Maharishi is now expressing himself to all of us, that he has multiplied himself through all of us. But most through those who payed more
[FairfieldLife] 'Geraldine Heads Hillary Swift-Boat Team'
Ferraro's Heads Hillary's Swift-Boat Team... In an issue of Newsweek Magazine she announced her support for speculated presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. In the article, entitled What We Learned the Hard Way,[19] she thanked Walter Mondale for taking down the Men Only sign from the White House. She compared his selecting her as a running mate to Roman Catholic Al Smith's running for president in 1928 and opening the door for Catholic John F. Kennedy in 1960. Ferraro wrote an e-mail on March 29, 2007 to members of Team Hillary to try to gather support for Hillary Clinton's fundraising as the March 30 deadline for donations approached. She has vowed to help protect Clinton from attacks such as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign that damaged nominee Senator John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election. During Clinton's successful bid for the senate, Ferraro campaigned with the former First Lady, helping her secure the votes of Queens residents. In addition to her endorsement, Ferraro also served as a member of Clinton's campaign finance committee until March 12. In her words, she quit to protect Hillary. [20] Political career following the 1984 race Senate campaign, UN Ambassadorship, published works, and television She published an autobiography, Ferraro: My Story, in 1985, and in 1992 ran unsuccessfully for Democratic nomination for a New York seat in the U.S. Senate. She finished second in the heated primary behind State Attorney General Robert Abrams. She placed ahead of Rev. Al Sharpton and New York City Comptroller and former congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman in the primary. She has said that if she had not run for Vice President, she would have sought the Senate seat in 1986. In 1993 President William Jefferson Clinton appointed Ferraro ambassador to the United Nations Committee on Human Rights. From 1996 to 1997, she was co-host on Crossfire, a political commentary show on the cable television network CNN. She continues to provide political commentary as a guest on national television news program. As of March 2008 she holds a position as a commentator on Fox News Channel.[16] In 1998, Ferraro ran for the Senate again. She started off as the frontrunner for the nomination but lost ground in the late summer months. She finished second behind Congressman Charles Schumer and placed ahead of New York City Public Advocate Mark J. Green. Schumer went on to defeat D'Amato in the general election. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Ferraro - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY defines Cosmic Consciousness. as Ultimate Supreme Reality.
On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:41 PM, sparaig wrote: Right. My point was about the problem that BillyG says occurred when MMY chose to use CC to refer to this state, rather than some more exalted state. Turiyatta is turiyatta, no matter how the perception of the sensory world changes. Whether or not people have have had tuiyatta episodes lasting as long as 12 years, as was the case in that study I mentioned, Alleged turiyatta (sic) episodes. I don't think anyone independent and serious actually considers the claims credible. Great advertising ploy though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:23 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: [...] What a great account, interesting that his head *did not fall* onto his chest, but the body was in an immobile fixed *upright* state, true transcendental consciousness or Samadhi. Unlike many meditators who fall asleep in meditation, assume a poor posture and call that successful meditation! It may have been successful sleep but hardly merits the term meditation (dhyana) in the true sense of the word! So, while no outward sign can determine if someone is enlightened or not, apparently posture during meditation is a 100% accurate way of determining samadhi? Lawson No, my point was that during the successful expansion of conscious...ness that occurs during meditation the body remains in a disciplined and poised position, it doesn't fall over, that's all. Oh, yeah, so we can be sure that if your posture slumps or anything else like that happens, you can't really be in samadhi... but that's different than there being an outward sign... People and animals who were dying around the last Karmapa would always spontaneously go into samadhi. Their posture would straighten out and go into meditation posture. As soon as they died, they'd slump again. This highlights one of the most distinctive internal signs of samadhi and that is the energetic aspect. From Blazing Splendor: The Memoirs of Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche from the chapter: At Tsurphu with the Karmapa Many extraordinary things happened in the company of the Karmapa. For example, he kept hundreds of birds. Karsey Kongtrul had given him a bird will extremely melodious voice, which was very dear to him. When this bird got sick he kept it alone in a special room. One day he was told that the bird was dying and he asked that it be brought to him. The bird was placed on the table before him. This bird needs a special blessing, he said. So he took a small vessel with mustard seeds and made his usual chant for dispelling obstacles as he threw some of the grains on the bird. Suddenly he said, There's nothing more to do--it is dying. No blessing can prevent it Then he turned to me, saying, Pick it up and hold it in your hand. The bird was still alive and it sat there in my palm with one eye half-open. But soon I saw its head slump, then its wings. But, strangely enough, the bird then straightened back up and simply sat there. An attendant whispered, It's in samadhi! I didn't want to disturb it, so I asked him to put it on the table. The attendant seemed used to handling birds in this state, because he didn't disturb it as he put the bird down. Somewhat astonished, I commented to the attendant, How remarkable! A bird that sits up straight right after death!?! That's nothing special. They all do it, he replied matter-of-factly. A second attendant chimed in, Every single bird from the Karmapa's aviary that dies sits up for a while after death. But we're so used to this, it has ceased to amaze us. When birds die, I objected, they keel over and fall off their branch to the ground--they don't keep sitting! Well, when the Karmapa is around, this is what they do, replied the attendant. But you're right--when he's away, they die the normal way. At this point everyone had arrived for dinner and I had to sit down, however I couldn't help keeping my eye on the bird while we ate. Halfway through dinner its right wing slumped and soon after the left followed. An attendant whispered, Wish-Fulfilling Jewel, it seems the samadhi is about to finish. The Karmapa paid no attention and kept eating, even when the bird finally keeled over. I looked at my watch--approximately three hours had gone by. No matter what the attendants said, I was still pretty amazed because I saw it die in my hands. Most people probably wouldn't believe this unless they saw it with their own eyes. The Karmapa was very fond of dogs as well and he had several Pekingese that, I was told, also died sitting up with their forelegs parallel. In short, the Karmapa was an incredible human being.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:31 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: [...] What a great account, interesting that his head *did not fall* onto his chest, but the body was in an immobile fixed *upright* state, true transcendental consciousness or Samadhi. Unlike many meditators who fall asleep in meditation, assume a poor posture and call that successful meditation! It may have been successful sleep but hardly merits the term meditation (dhyana) in the true sense of the word! So, while no outward sign can determine if someone is enlightened or not, apparently posture during meditation is a 100% accurate way of determining samadhi? Lawson No, my point was that during the successful expansion of conscious...ness that occurs during meditation the body remains in a disciplined and poised position, it doesn't fall over, that's all. Unless of course you started in an unbalanced position or asana...:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Tolle-Oprah Worldwide-Internet course ~ FREE
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[FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:31 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: [...] What a great account, interesting that his head *did not fall* onto his chest, but the body was in an immobile fixed *upright* state, true transcendental consciousness or Samadhi. Unlike many meditators who fall asleep in meditation, assume a poor posture and call that successful meditation! It may have been successful sleep but hardly merits the term meditation (dhyana) in the true sense of the word! So, while no outward sign can determine if someone is enlightened or not, apparently posture during meditation is a 100% accurate way of determining samadhi? Lawson No, my point was that during the successful expansion of conscious...ness that occurs during meditation the body remains in a disciplined and poised position, it doesn't fall over, that's all. Unless of course you started in an unbalanced position or asana...:-) Correct, after time, an accomplished Yogi can 'go into' Samadhi at will even lying down, see this film of Swami Yogananda retiring into'superconsciousness' even while lying down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feh3wPk3oCo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Message from Raja Raam of Japan Konhaus
It's really easy to poke fun, but maybe for many of these people, since Maharishi has passed, it's the first time they have had to think for themselves in a long time, and they are still occluded by Maharishi's personality. In time it will pass. Then la plus ca change - Original Message - From: dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Message from Raja Raam of Japan Konhaus ..blessed by Maharaj.. according to Konhaus, He said that he felt that we are all channels now, to bringing Maharishi to the world. He said in some very real sense we're the physical channels now, Okay, The Maharishi Spiritualism Regeneration Movement is official now. Is no longer just enough to be a meditator but you got to be channeling to really be in the middle of the know now. No just being a meditating meditator, more now than having faith and belief in Maharishi, you better be hearing from Maharishi if you want to go with this and be anywhere in this organization. You have not heard from Maharishi lately? Well, here we have it by royal authority, is now open season on Maharisihi channeling. Hence forth, when it is really official proclamations shall commence with, The Maharishi in me tells me. The new Wireless MOU. Some are better tuned than others hence more in line with his thinking obviously. It's only official if, Maharishi says... Lessons coming on channeling next. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subj: Fwd: Message about Raja Raam Here's a great message from Raja Konhaus GLOBAL FAMILY CHAT - 3/07/08 RAJA KONHAUS Raja of Japan Today we had the great fortune of being blessed by Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Raam. He called a meeting of all the Global Ministers and all of the Rajas, to just express some of his thoughts and feelings and to share with us as a family, our thoughts and feelings about how his new process of Global Administration is unfolding. And I felt it was a very historic meeting, because Maharaj outlined to us his vision and his understanding of how the Movement would unfold now, to fulfill all of the goals that Maharishi has given us. I think it was abundantly evident to every Raja today, how carefully and completely Maharishi has cultured His Majesty to assume the role of an Enlightened Leader, to take the position of leadership in this Global Family, and two, it was abundantly clear to us how capable he was of fulfilling this role. He gave us a beautiful explanation. He said that he felt that we are all channels now, to bringing Maharishi to the world. He said in some very real sense we're the physical channels now, the physical expression of Maharishi himself. He said now there's not one Maharishi, but in some sense Maharishi is now expressing himself to all of us, that he has multiplied himself through all of us. It was a very beautiful expression he gave, and he said that Maharishi has cultured his own quality in each of us, patiently, diligently, through his love and his knowledge and his training, and his culturing. He has cultured that quality of himself in all of us, and so that value will come to the world now through the whole Global Family, which Maharishi has recreated himself in. And the conclusion Raja Raam-ji made of this expression, is that we should trust each other with the same love and the same respect that we treated Maharishi, and the reason for that was because we're seeing Maharishi in each other, and therefore that Maharishi deserves all of our love and respect and support. And Maharaj assured us, that through us and to all the Governors and the Sidhas of the world, that all of the great projects, all of the precious centers, all of the precious people that Maharishi has so carefully cultured, Maharaj gave us his assurance that he would now insure that all of these are brought to a very beautiful fulfillment. He said with the Finance Minister that he saw everyone as a kind of great engine, a great engine from Maharishi that was going to start now to move and bring fulfillment to the Movement. And Maharaj, we got the deep feeling that he was ready and that he was capable, to give us very practical and very enlightened leadership. All of the Rajas felt a great confidence in that leadership, and a great admiration for what Maharishi had created in him. So this is the understanding that Maharaj gave us today. He said that he's ready to play his role as the Leader of the Movement. He feels the continuity, he feels the continuity of the Tradition. He feels the strength, he feels Maharishi's support, and guidance to be able to lead the Movement. So for me today and for all of the Rajas, it was a very strengthening and comforting time to know that together Maharaj feels we can accomplish this.
[FairfieldLife] Re:Fwd: Message about Raja Raam of Japan Konhaus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He feels the strength, he feels Maharishi's support, and guidance to be able to lead the Movement. So for me today and for all of the Rajas, it was a very strengthening and comforting time to know that together Maharaj feels we can accomplish this. This is really an admission that the rajas did not feel strength or comfort in Maharaj's ability or Maharishi's support before the meeting. It's sad they have to talk themselves into confidence. What's sad, IMHO, is that TM critics have to try to find ways to turn good news into bad news.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
I have three parrots and you can see in their eyes when they are in samadhi because they glow and roll up a bit. It's really quite obvious if you have been around them for some time. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:23 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: [...] What a great account, interesting that his head *did not fall* onto his chest, but the body was in an immobile fixed *upright* state, true transcendental consciousness or Samadhi. Unlike many meditators who fall asleep in meditation, assume a poor posture and call that successful meditation! It may have been successful sleep but hardly merits the term meditation (dhyana) in the true sense of the word! So, while no outward sign can determine if someone is enlightened or not, apparently posture during meditation is a 100% accurate way of determining samadhi? Lawson No, my point was that during the successful expansion of conscious...ness that occurs during meditation the body remains in a disciplined and poised position, it doesn't fall over, that's all. Oh, yeah, so we can be sure that if your posture slumps or anything else like that happens, you can't really be in samadhi... but that's different than there being an outward sign... People and animals who were dying around the last Karmapa would always spontaneously go into samadhi. Their posture would straighten out and go into meditation posture. As soon as they died, they'd slump again. This highlights one of the most distinctive internal signs of samadhi and that is the energetic aspect. From Blazing Splendor: The Memoirs of Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche from the chapter: At Tsurphu with the Karmapa Many extraordinary things happened in the company of the Karmapa. For example, he kept hundreds of birds. Karsey Kongtrul had given him a bird will extremely melodious voice, which was very dear to him. When this bird got sick he kept it alone in a special room. One day he was told that the bird was dying and he asked that it be brought to him. The bird was placed on the table before him. This bird needs a special blessing, he said. So he took a small vessel with mustard seeds and made his usual chant for dispelling obstacles as he threw some of the grains on the bird. Suddenly he said, There's nothing more to do--it is dying. No blessing can prevent it Then he turned to me, saying, Pick it up and hold it in your hand. The bird was still alive and it sat there in my palm with one eye half-open. But soon I saw its head slump, then its wings. But, strangely enough, the bird then straightened back up and simply sat there. An attendant whispered, It's in samadhi! I didn't want to disturb it, so I asked him to put it on the table. The attendant seemed used to handling birds in this state, because he didn't disturb it as he put the bird down. Somewhat astonished, I commented to the attendant, How remarkable! A bird that sits up straight right after death!?! That's nothing special. They all do it, he replied matter-of-factly. A second attendant chimed in, Every single bird from the Karmapa's aviary that dies sits up for a while after death. But we're so used to this, it has ceased to amaze us. When birds die, I objected, they keel over and fall off their branch to the ground--they don't keep sitting! Well, when the Karmapa is around, this is what they do, replied the attendant. But you're right--when he's away, they die the normal way. At this point everyone had arrived for dinner and I had to sit down, however I couldn't help keeping my eye on the bird while we ate. Halfway through dinner its right wing slumped and soon after the left followed. An attendant whispered, Wish-Fulfilling Jewel, it seems the samadhi is about to finish. The Karmapa paid no attention and kept eating, even when the bird finally keeled over. I looked at my watch--approximately three hours had gone by. No matter what the attendants said, I was still pretty amazed because I saw it die in my hands. Most people probably wouldn't believe this unless they saw it with their own eyes. The Karmapa was very fond of dogs as well and he had several Pekingese that, I was told, also died sitting up with their forelegs parallel. In short, the Karmapa was an incredible human being.
Re: [FairfieldLife] San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
Out of curiousity, if this is a cover-up in order to spray humans then why? - Original Message - From: holobuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide http://www.naturalnews.com/022816.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re:Fwd: Message about Raja Raam of Japan Konhaus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He feels the strength, he feels Maharishi's support, and guidance to be able to lead the Movement. So for me today and for all of the Rajas, it was a very strengthening and comforting time to know that together Maharaj feels we can accomplish this. This is really an admission that the rajas did not feel strength or comfort in Maharaj's ability or Maharishi's support before the meeting. It's sad they have to talk themselves into confidence. Is that what you do- talk yourself into confidence? I think they have been going through a lot of uncertainty and change, and basically they had a meeting with the head honcho and came away thinking and feeling confident in his ability to lead and their ability to achieve their objectives. Business 101. Whether or not they are moodmaking is pretty much impossible to determine, as is whether they will actually be successful.
[FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have three parrots and you can see in their eyes when they are in samadhi because they glow and roll up a bit. It's really quite obvious if you have been around them for some time. Since the nervous system is a 'reflector' of the one Brahman or pure consciousness, and birds do not have a full compliment of chakras, their nervous systems would not be able to fully reflect pure consciousness or achieve Samadhi. Man is unique in this respect, his causal/astral/physical nervous system contains all of the elements (7 chakras) necessary to fully reflect Being ultimately becoming one with itand man was made in the image of God.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: LOL. She [Ruth] showed, over and over again, that she hadn't even bothered to read the URLs I posted and then, rather than saying well, I haven't had time yet, she instead left in a huff. You have an interesting definition of integrity here. As do you. She showed, over and over, that she *had* read the material she discussed. She just didn't see it the way you do. Did you see the moonwalking bear, Lawson? http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ No? Could it possibly have been because you had been told to look for something else? Same with the way you read the research. And Barry, who *hasn't* read any of the research, somehow knows that there's a bear in it, and that Ruth sees it but Lawson does not. Amazing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: LOL. She [Ruth] showed, over and over again, that she hadn't even bothered to read the URLs I posted and then, rather than saying well, I haven't had time yet, she instead left in a huff. You have an interesting definition of integrity here. As do you. She showed, over and over, that she *had* read the material she discussed. She just didn't see it the way you do. She questioned whether or not the study had been published in a peer reviewed journal. The publishing house is prominently display on the first page: Elsivier. Its a well-known publisher of scientific journals. She suggested that EEG research of the study was not ground- breaking when in fact, the first sentence in the study said it was not about EEG research. What am to conclude about her having looked at the first page of the study? That she never looked at it? Ooo, Barry's losing track of his argument even faster than usual. Lawson says she hadn't read the research; Barry insists that, in fact, she had read the research. Lawson cites the evidence that she hadn't read the research, and Barry says that's because--wait for it!--she hadn't read it. That perhaps she, unlike you, has both a job and a life, and that both took higher priority than reading something you posted just because YOU have a need to believe that your blind trust in what you've been told was true? Says Barry, confirming the very point he was denying to start with. What am I to conclude about YOU having looked at the first page of the study? That I have zero interest in bullshit science used to bolster shaky faith? But, oddly enough, more than enough interest in it to keep trying to debunk it, not to mention keeping careful track of who else has read it and who hasn't. Did you see the moonwalking bear, Lawson? http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ No? Could it possibly have been because you had been told to look for something else? Same with the way you read the research. As Judy has been known to say: non sequitur. No, really...it isn't. You read the TM science the way you do because you WANT to see it as meaningful and accurate. And you do THAT because the TM technique *itself* isn't enough for you to believe in it. Says Barry, who scorns reading the research. If it were, you'd be practicing it regularly instead of defending it here on FFL. You're caught in a cycle of trying to prove that what you were told years ago and believed without exercising any discrimination was true. Ruth perceived that vibe underneath your claims of objectivity and wrote you off and focused on more important things. Smart woman. From Barry's immediately previous post in the thread (quoted at the top): She showed, over and over, that she *had* read the material she discussed. You never answered the question. Did you see the bear first time around? If you didn't, how DARE you suggest that there is only one way to read a research paper and come to only one conclusion? Non sequitur. In the first place, it's a completely bogus analogy. The video was designed to distract attention from the bear so it could then be pointed out that the viewer hadn't seen it. If the video were actually parallel to the research in the way Barry suggests, after watching it, the viewer would never be told about the bear (making the whole exercise pointless). In the second place, if one wanted to pretend the analogy were appropriate, one would have to note that Ruth didn't even watch the video. Which, of course, was Lawson's point all along.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience
There was no mention of any angles at my first introductory TM lecture by Jerry Jarvis in 1965 at SIMS in Westwood. Bhairitu wrote: Is that what happens to beings living under bridges? There's no vertical descent in transcending. In the intro lecture we even described these dips or the vertical descent. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/169336
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you
TurquoiseB wrote: Others looked at their own experiences and WALKED AWAY from this cesspool of hypocrisy. I identify more with them. But you were a leader in the TMO for over fifteen years, and after that, the leader of another cult for another ten. So, it took you, what, twenty-five years to walk away, yet you're still here. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This test is part of a series on bicycle safety, and it's a real doozy. Try it and see how well you do: http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ I think it's *very* instructive, and has a lot to say about perception and, dare I say it, the tendency for people to claim that something is true because they saw it. Or haven't. Ha! That was great! I can count, but I can't see fer shit. That's the point, as I see it. NONE of us can see for shit. We see the stuff we've been told to look for. Actually, there are two different points to be made with that video (which was originally made for an entirely different purpose than what the bicycle safety site uses it for; actually there are several different versions, one with a gorilla instead of a bear, another in which a woman holding an open umbrella walks through the ball players). One point is that we sometimes miss things that we shouldn't have missed (in the context of the Web site, drivers may miss seeing a bicyclist because they're focusing on other cars). The other point is that our cognitive apparatus is carefully designed to focus on what is relevant to whatever we're doing, while excluding things that don't matter--even when they're quite prominent. Most of the time that skill serves us well. We couldn't function efficiently if we weren't able to exclude what's irrelevant. Occasionally, though, it's a drawback, as when the automobile driver focuses on other cars and doesn't notice the bicyclist. But that doesn't happen because of a flaw in our cognitive apparatus; it's functioning precisely as it should. It's just that we don't always know what's going to be relevant and what isn't. In the case of the video, the bear is irrelevant to the task we're asked to perform. Its presence doesn't affect the number of ball passes. And if our attention is caught by the bear, we lose track of the passes we're supposed to be counting. In the bicycle-safety context, noticing a bicycle *could* cause the automobile driver to lose their focus on the other cars. It's entirely possible the driver would have a serious accident, while the bicyclist escaped unscathed; whereas if the driver hadn't been distracted by the bicyclist, there would have been no accident to either the driver or the cyclist. That's essentially the situation with the video. If we aren't distracted by the bear, we're able to maintain an accurate count of the ball passes, and of course nothing happens to the bear. But when we're asked to watch for the bear, we're almost certain to fail at the task of keeping count of the ball passes. In other words, the video doesn't really make the point the Web site tries to use it to make. snip I love this test because it reminds me of realization. It shouldn't, in fact, because the bear is an element in the relative, whereas the realization of enlightenment transcends the relative. A more accurate parallel to enlightenment would be maintaining awareness that we're watching a video at the same time that we're engrossed in counting the passes and/or watching for the bear.
[FairfieldLife] Ruth !
I think Ruth's attention on us here was as if a blue light of Mother Mary were washing over us. And, as if He couldn't stop cuz He's such a sucker for perfection, God gave her an intellect to top off her sundae with whipped cream, sprinkles, cherries, and, of course, for those who refuse to bend to her iron clarity, crushed nuts. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/38tm9g An iSkin? Sounds like a new brand of condom. I guess in a way it is: Practice safe ranting; sheath your weapon. :-) I wonder what happened to Ruth. Hope she just is just busy with work and life and that the negativity her last posts were met with did not chase her away. Indeed. I suspect that the tendency here to damn the individual because one doesn't agree with what they are saying is a bit of a shocker. She has a good heart and great spirit and added to this board. Indeed. A perusal of the archives indicates she would not be the first. Message boards can be a bit rough. Common civility is lost easily. I must admit restraining myself from lashing out and asking if a poster had skipped taking court ordered meds. I would think less of myself if I should. Now, tellin someone to GFY is different.just kiddin Vaj and Judy seem to have different perspectives on her returning...among other things. grin The note Vaj posted makes perfect sense. She is a professional in her field who was often kneecapped here by people that could learn a lot by listening. Questioning integrity was poison in her world. Thoughtlessness and malice has a cost. It is rare to have a knowledge resource such as her, with humanness, on a board like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
Since the nervous system is a 'reflector' of the one Brahman or pure consciousness, and birds do not have a full compliment of chakras, their nervous systems would not be able to fully reflect pure consciousness or achieve Samadhi. Man is unique in this respect, his causal/astral/physical nervous system contains all of the elements (7 chakras) necessary to fully reflect Being ultimately becoming one with itand man was made in the image of God. -There is no God. What there is is empty clarity. All things reflect this as none of them are established in any way. Thus there is no thing which is more nor less Brahman. There is no Brahman. There never was a Brahman. There never will be a Brahman. There is nothing which stays forever the same. Anything which could stay forever the same has not done so, so why? Because there is nothing which serves as a basis for something to stay the same. Thus nothing is established as permanent. Thus your system of chakras is inept and does not serve the cause of truth as either a parable nor as a foundation for awakening, nor as something of vital essence for liberation. There is only empty clarity at the root of all, and even that is merely a view or standpoint. There is no vital body of three or seven or 14 or ten or twenty spheres, nor a body of sheaths, nor deities to channel, not gods to inhabit the heavens. Nothing has been established. So if my parrots wish to stay in samadhi, that's their doing, and they are no less ept nor inept for your parroting bogus teachings of no value. The only good chakra is the one which rolls and does work. Work is mass times acceleration over a distance. A wheel which doesn't accelerate, which has no mass, and which goes no distance does no work, thus it's pointless. Both literally, figuratively, and in all ways. If it goes nowhere then what sort of wheel is it? If there is nowhere to go then what sort of teaching is it? Neither you nor anyone else will ever prove the existance of Brahman, because Brahman has never been established as something.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ruth !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Ruth's attention on us here was as if a blue light of Mother Mary were washing over us. And, as if He couldn't stop cuz He's such a sucker for perfection, God gave her an intellect to top off her sundae with whipped cream, sprinkles, cherries, and, of course, for those who refuse to bend to her iron clarity, crushed nuts. I'm a great admirer of Ruth, but let's not rush her into sainthood. God gave her the same dose of blind spots that he's given the rest of us, just not necessarily in the same places.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you
TurquoiseB wrote: They're puny little pissants who haven't had a mind of their own in decades, and resent anyone who has one. Nab wrote: Still after Turq left the Movement more than 30 years ago he comes up with all this strong emotions. He will not admit it of course now that he is a Buddhist and all, but Maharishi must have created an everlasting impression on his soul. Apparently, the Truq was pretty high up in the TMO. Turq has been talking about TM on news forums since 1995. Can you believe that? He must have gone online with his views when he walked away from the last cult he was in. What I can't understand, Nab, is if they lied about the TMO for all those years, why would anyone believe a thing they have to say now? I mean, if something so profound happens to a person, that thirty years later they're still incessantly talking about it, on a daily basis, then it must have been a VERY profound experience. What happened to them to make them stop doing TM? And why would they care what you or anyone else says after all these years? Maybe they are the real trolls? I'm still on the program.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Curtis, You know, gotta say it, I can't hold a candle to your blazing sun of snark. I try. God knows I try, but when it comes to wholesale besmirching of cultures and religions, compared to you, I'm just a stupidhead. With one spectacular swipe of your pen, poof goes any respect for a billion innocents, but I have to really chug and puff and grind to even get one War Monger to be viewed as disposable. I bow to your potencies, your glories, your effortless fabulosnarkoness the blinding clarifying light of which no movement, no religion, no dogma can survive. Clearly we all need a twelve step program to begin the long journey of refurbishing our souls such that we too can merely wink and grunt and dismiss anyone, or any culture that would sully the Earth by modeling belief or faith or icky mushyness. I'm inspired! I'm going right out now to find a bar somewhere that needs my poor guitar licks (I know three chords!) and I'm sure they'll let me play for tips, and if I get anywhere nearer to your perfections, I'm sure I'll find a 42 year old, half drunk, sobbing lady whose marriage is in a slump, and man I'll hit that and be saying a prayer to you in thanks for the guidance you've given so freely to all here. Omygod Shanti Omygod, Edg PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Phat!: (pronounced 'fot') phoneme; Buddhist Hybrid-Sanskrit;
causative verb? 1. Crack! 2. Snap! 3. Pop! 4. Meaningless
sound. 5. Gibberish. 6. Bija mantra - sometimes referred
to as the weapon mantra also, in that, it destroys obstacles.
7. Sound of a two-stroked motor vehicle seen all over Delhi.
Vaj wrote:
It's an aspirated P silly Willy. :-)
That's what I said, silly Vaj, 'fot'; but you neglected to
mention the left-handed finger snap, which is the essense of
the astral weapon mantra 'phat'. What's up with that?
Eric wrote:
ROTFLMAO!
Snap! Fot! Svaha!
Mahnirvana Tantra, 5.90, 92:
http://tinyurl.com/36slch
1 phaT ind. (onom.) crack! VS. AV. TA1r. (also a mystical
syllable used in incantation).
2 phat ind. , an interjection (in %{phat-kR} , prob. w.r.
for %{phuT-kR}).
3 phAT ind. an interjection of calling W.
Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
Salutation to the Wine Devi: Vaushat:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/maha/maha05.htm
Phat is the astral or weapon mantra:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/htg/htg11.htm#fn_331
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies... There is a strong genetic predisposition in folks to want to believe in the supernatural. The Milk Miracle underlines this well. Curtis, I share your concern about the consequences of superstitious archaic thinking on global politics. Here is a modern example of the same sort of thinking that underscores religious tensions in Iraq, Norther Ireland, Kashmir, and even US politics. But thats not why we are on FFL. But it starts at a personal level. Isn't Patanjali's Sutras using the same psychology? Here is a pamphlet, given undue credibility promising miracles in the name of reducing the fluctuations of the mind stuff. Is it just me or shouldn't the red flag go up when we are promised the supernatural? Isn't the natural full of enough wonder and wisdom for us? s.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Obituary
Written by my friend Igal Moria (once named Igal Harmelin) He used to be a close student of Maharishi's and for the past 10 years has been associated with spiritual teacher Andrew Cohen and with his magazine, What Is Enlightenment? In 1959, a young Indian monk with long, dark hair, clad in a silk dhoti and wearing wooden flip-flops, was waiting at the terminal of the Honolulu airport to board a flight to Los Angeles. When called to board the plane, he grabbed his only piece of luggage—a small rolled carpet that included all his worldly possessions. None of the other passengers waiting with him expected the diminutive man with bronze skin, keen eyes and pleasant countenance to become one of the most influential and well-known figures of the second half of the 20th Century. His name was Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and this was the first time he was about to visit the continental USA and from there, spread his Transcendental Meditation technique around the world. Between that day and February 5th of this year, his day of passing, one of the most captivating, colorful and intriguing dramas of our times unfolded, a mythological story about a giant of consciousness who has created a world-wide movement, touched the hearts of millions and changed the lives of countless individuals, directly and indirectly. He was born Mahesh Prasad Varma in the central Indian town of Jabalpur in 1917. 22 years later, when he was a graduate student of physics, a mysterious saint by the name of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati came to town. Young Mahesh, whose uncle was a disciple of that saint, was introduced to him—and his life was changed forever. He would serve the Swami, whom he always referred to as Guru Dev, the divine master, until the latter's death, 13 years later. While the world would want to remember Maharishi with the aid of convenient sound bites—The Guru of the Beatles, The Giggling Guru, The Man Who Taught the World to Meditate or The Man who Kick-started the New Age—Maharishi's sole focus was completing his master's project: securing that the Vedic wisdom would not go extinct. Unlike many spiritual teachers who flocked to the West in the 60's and 70's, partly encouraged by his fame and success, Maharishi's main goal has always been India, whom he called The Land of the Veda. There he hoped to uproot the common, life-negating belief that the realization of material goals was in opposition to spiritual aspirations and that in order to engage in spirituality one should renounce the world. This was a fundamental misinterpretation of the scriptural intention, he would vehemently claim, and is chiefly responsible for India's backwardness. The basis for material prosperity, he taught, must be the development of consciousness. Water the root to enjoy the fruit, he would say. Develop your consciousness in order to enjoy material life. Just as a wise commander who wishes to conquer a territory focuses his efforts on capturing the fort that oversees that territory, so should those who wish to prosper in every aspect of their lives, spiritual and material, develop their consciousness. Soon he understood that he would not be able to get very far in India: the simple masses were overtaken by inertia while the educated elite were fascinated by materialism, either in its Western version or the communist one. Maharishi, who was not able to think in small terms, understood that only if he established himself as a spiritual authority in the West and flourished there materially as well, did he stand a chance to affect a change in India. This is why he left India. * * * My first encounter with Maharishi occurred in August of 1973 in a kibbutz in the North of Israel. He was not there himself, but his audio-taped lectures were played to about fifty of us who assembled there for a 3-day intensive of Transcendental Meditation. I was 19 and had learnt the technique just three weeks earlier, and this was the first time that I heard the high-pitch, melodic voice of the man who was about to become my guru for the next 25 years. He spoke dynamically, with great confidence and loads of inspiration, yet he was calm and his voice and laughter were soothing. The intensive meditations, coupled with Maharishi's talks, catapulted those present to a different, transcendental state of consciousness. There and then I resolved to work for him and with him and to dedicate my life to the dissemination of his system of meditation. For a quarter of a century he was the hub of my life. At his service I washed dishes, cut vegetables; purchased food, equipment and flights; operated meditation centers in different countries; and even established, at a governmental university in Crimea, Ukraine, a department for Maharishi's Vedic Science and Technology. Above all, for years I worked with him on developing courses relating his Vedic Science to world religions. But what remained with me most from these full and unusual years was the experience of his presence,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Obituary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Written by my friend Igal Moria (once named Igal Harmelin) He used to be a close student of Maharishi's and for the past 10 years has been associated with spiritual teacher Andrew Cohen and with his magazine, What Is Enlightenment? In 1959, a young Indian monk with long, dark hair, clad in a silk dhoti and wearing wooden flip-flops, was waiting at the terminal of the Honolulu airport to board a flight to Los Angeles. [...] He was born Mahesh Prasad Varma in the central Indian town of Jabalpur in 1917. Interesting definition of young monk... Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Why Marth Stewart celebrated Spitzer's downfall
Although what sent her to prison were federal laws that she broke and, at the time, Eliot Spitzer was A-G for the state of NY, apparently Spitzer put so much pressure on the Feds that they had no choice but to go after Stewart. -- STYLE MAVEN MARTHA STEWART CELEBRATES WITH `SPITZER SPRITZERS' By Jose Lambiet | Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 05:06 PM If there's one person who reveled in the news that New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer was in a world of hurt this week, it was domestic diva Martha Stewart. Forget the housewife's manners. Several sources on both sides of Lake Worth are telling me Stewart was on The Island when she received a phone call from an unidentified employee in New York who told her Monday afternoon that Spitzer had been linked to an international prostitution ring. He resigned today, but Stewart went out to celebrate in an unusual fashion Monday afternoon. She was gleeful, says one well-placed source. Few people had seen her this animated in a while. She said she'd celebrate at The Breakers with a round of `Spitzer spritzers.' Page 2.1 looked online for the ingredients of the drink, and asked Stewart spokeswoman Katherine Nash, but it must be something the ultimate homemaker isn't printing in her magazines. There would be no comment. Why would Stewart enjoy someone else's misery? Well, back in the early 2000s, New York's young and ambitious State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer was making a name for himself in rooting out corporate corruption on Wall Street. Meanwhile, Stewart was selling a large number of shares in the biopharmaceutical company ImClone shortly before the stock tanked. Stewart, now 66, saved about $45,000 but got on regulators' radar screens. Spitzer almost single-handedly made it fashionable to go after big- deal CEOs as he fought a well-publicized turf battle with federal prosecutors in nailing the biggest fish. Stewart fell in the federal net and served five months on insider trading-related charges four years ago but it was Spitzer who kicked up the hornet's nest that eventually had her bunk with hardened criminals. Before she received her happy call, Stewart was spotted shopping on Antique Row, downtown West Palm Beach. I took her around, said family friend and Antique Row store owner Judy Barron. She never said anything about Spitzer to me. We spent a couple of hours going from store to store. Word is that Stewart got the call at the Palm Beach home of Lisbeth Barron, a Bear Stearns big and Judy's sister. When reached at her $11 million home, Lisbeth declined comment. One thing is sure, though: Seems that Stewart is more down to earth. She's been here before and wasn't the nicest person, said Jeffrey Rafael, of Jeffrey-Marie Inc. on Antique Row. She's definitely humbled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY defines Cosmic Consciousness. as Ultimate Supreme Reality.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:41 PM, sparaig wrote: Right. My point was about the problem that BillyG says occurred when MMY chose to use CC to refer to this state, rather than some more exalted state. Turiyatta is turiyatta, no matter how the perception of the sensory world changes. Whether or not people have have had tuiyatta episodes lasting as long as 12 years, as was the case in that study I mentioned, Alleged turiyatta (sic) episodes. I don't think anyone independent and serious actually considers the claims credible. Great advertising ploy though. Actualy, you never ,now, Vaj Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Edg - This flame is mean spirited. Curtis was bringing up a excellent point. He does not disrespect humanity. But from my reading he has a healthy contempt for cultural delusions of religious followers. Instead of attacking the salient point you go for his person. This is a symptom of poor character. I believe, that as a thinking human being we have a moral obligation to unveil hypocrisies and deluded thinking where it lurks. To allow blind faith in mirages is like providing drinks to alcoholics. By turning a blind eye we are enabling a disease that has actual life threatening consequences. 100 years ago these deluded beliefs carried a limited threat. At most there would be the genocide of a few thousand people in the name of the supernatural. Times now are changing. Do you really want societies with nuclear capabilities to be easily distracted by shiny objects? Namaste, s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, You know, gotta say it, I can't hold a candle to your blazing sun of snark. I try. God knows I try, but when it comes to wholesale besmirching of cultures and religions, compared to you, I'm just a stupidhead. With one spectacular swipe of your pen, poof goes any respect for a billion innocents, but I have to really chug and puff and grind to even get one War Monger to be viewed as disposable. I bow to your potencies, your glories, your effortless fabulosnarkoness the blinding clarifying light of which no movement, no religion, no dogma can survive. Clearly we all need a twelve step program to begin the long journey of refurbishing our souls such that we too can merely wink and grunt and dismiss anyone, or any culture that would sully the Earth by modeling belief or faith or icky mushyness. I'm inspired! I'm going right out now to find a bar somewhere that needs my poor guitar licks (I know three chords!) and I'm sure they'll let me play for tips, and if I get anywhere nearer to your perfections, I'm sure I'll find a 42 year old, half drunk, sobbing lady whose marriage is in a slump, and man I'll hit that and be saying a prayer to you in thanks for the guidance you've given so freely to all here. Omygod Shanti Omygod, Edg PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
[FairfieldLife] Much more holy, much more sacred
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think the Beatles' song, Because, captures the silence that makes all of life holy. It is as close to sacred as a song can get. When I started TM, I thought that this song was going to be my soundtrack forever once I got enlightened. Edg For me, the Yin and Yang of life is summarized by the audio and visual of the following: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MimmTdn9314
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, You know, gotta say it, I can't hold a candle to your blazing sun of snark. Oh I think you are doing just fine in this post. I try. God knows I try, but when it comes to wholesale besmirching of cultures and religions, So I should pretend that feeding milk to statues is reasonable? I am not a cultural relativist and I do not take religion off the table for reasonable discourse. If I throw in my own cultural Virgin Mary can I buy a WTF ticket? Irrational beliefs have consequences in society. I am standing up for something good by sharing a perspective of reasonable challenge to something irrational. compared to you, I'm just a stupidhead. With one spectacular swipe of your pen, poof goes any respect for a billion innocents, Here we disagree. The Indian experiment in democracy has much to be proud of. They have demonstrated both the best and worst of cultural tolerance. Sometimes they live side by side peacefully, and sometimes they hack each other to death with machetes. But I do not patronize them as innocents. Even brilliant people have been bamboozled by the modern taboo against speaking against the unreasonableness of religious claims. Remember, this claim is not about the other world. It is a claim about our material world and how it functions. They are the ones claiming that the laws of nature as we know them are miraculously bent in the world of our senses. So if they want to use physical miracles as a proof system for their other beliefs they should not be surprised to hear someone say, I see the milk dribbling down the front of the statue. but I have to really chug and puff and grind to even get one War Monger to be viewed as disposable. I don't share your view of any POV here as disposable. I am looking for POVs that differ from my own. Sometimes I learn and sometimes it reinforces my previous view. Who does this remind me off...let's see...Oh I know, everyone who posts here. I bow to your potencies, your glories, your effortless fabulosnarkoness the blinding clarifying light of which no movement, no religion, no dogma can survive. This is too broad a stroke. I believe in lots of stuff and there is lots of stuff I don't, just like you and everyone else here. No one believes everything and we all do the best we can to sort out what is BS. Clearly we all need a twelve step program to begin the long journey of refurbishing our souls such that we too can merely wink and grunt and dismiss anyone, or any culture that would sully the Earth by modeling belief or faith or icky mushyness. Catch'n a little drama buzz are we? I'm inspired! I'm going right out now to find a bar somewhere that needs my poor guitar licks (I know three chords!) and I'm sure they'll let me play for tips, and if I get anywhere nearer to your perfections, I'm sure I'll find a 42 year old, half drunk, sobbing lady whose marriage is in a slump, and man I'll hit that and be saying a prayer to you in thanks for the guidance you've given so freely to all here. Your characterization of my profession and my social life are unkind and untrue. Typically you include some made up malice in your point. It is one of your least charming posting habits. Omygod Shanti Omygod, Edg PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. WTF? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Obituary
That was well written and strikes to the essence of the man. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Obituary Written by my friend Igal Moria (once named Igal Harmelin) He used to be a close student of Maharishi's and for the past 10 years has been associated with spiritual teacher Andrew Cohen and with his magazine, What Is Enlightenment? In 1959, a young Indian monk with long, dark hair, clad in a silk dhoti and wearing wooden flip-flops, was waiting at the terminal of the Honolulu airport to board a flight to Los Angeles. When called to board the plane, he grabbed his only piece of luggage—a small rolled carpet that included all his worldly possessions. None of the other passengers waiting with him expected the diminutive man with bronze skin, keen eyes and pleasant countenance to become one of the most influential and well-known figures of the second half of the 20th Century. His name was Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and this was the first time he was about to visit the continental USA and from there, spread his Transcendental Meditation technique around the world. Between that day and February 5th of this year, his day of passing, one of the most captivating, colorful and intriguing dramas of our times unfolded, a mythological story about a giant of consciousness who has created a world-wide movement, touched the hearts of millions and changed the lives of countless individuals, directly and indirectly. He was born Mahesh Prasad Varma in the central Indian town of Jabalpur in 1917. 22 years later, when he was a graduate student of physics, a mysterious saint by the name of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati came to town. Young Mahesh, whose uncle was a disciple of that saint, was introduced to him—and his life was changed forever. He would serve the Swami, whom he always referred to as Guru Dev, the divine master, until the latter's death, 13 years later. While the world would want to remember Maharishi with the aid of convenient sound bites—The Guru of the Beatles, The Giggling Guru, The Man Who Taught the World to Meditate or The Man who Kick-started the New Age—Maharishi's sole focus was completing his master's project: securing that the Vedic wisdom would not go extinct. Unlike many spiritual teachers who flocked to the West in the 60's and 70's, partly encouraged by his fame and success, Maharishi's main goal has always been India, whom he called The Land of the Veda. There he hoped to uproot the common, life-negating belief that the realization of material goals was in opposition to spiritual aspirations and that in order to engage in spirituality one should renounce the world. This was a fundamental misinterpretation of the scriptural intention, he would vehemently claim, and is chiefly responsible for India's backwardness. The basis for material prosperity, he taught, must be the development of consciousness. Water the root to enjoy the fruit, he would say. Develop your consciousness in order to enjoy material life. Just as a wise commander who wishes to conquer a territory focuses his efforts on capturing the fort that oversees that territory, so should those who wish to prosper in every aspect of their lives, spiritual and material, develop their consciousness. Soon he understood that he would not be able to get very far in India: the simple masses were overtaken by inertia while the educated elite were fascinated by materialism, either in its Western version or the communist one. Maharishi, who was not able to think in small terms, understood that only if he established himself as a spiritual authority in the West and flourished there materially as well, did he stand a chance to affect a change in India. This is why he left India. * * * My first encounter with Maharishi occurred in August of 1973 in a kibbutz in the North of Israel. He was not there himself, but his audio-taped lectures were played to about fifty of us who assembled there for a 3-day intensive of Transcendental Meditation. I was 19 and had learnt the technique just three weeks earlier, and this was the first time that I heard the high-pitch, melodic voice of the man who was about to become my guru for the next 25 years. He spoke dynamically, with great confidence and loads of inspiration, yet he was calm and his voice and laughter were soothing. The intensive meditations, coupled with Maharishi's talks, catapulted those present to a different, transcendental state of consciousness. There and then I resolved to work for him and with him and to dedicate my life to the dissemination of his system of meditation. For a quarter of a century he was the hub of my life. At his service I washed dishes, cut vegetables; purchased food, equipment and flights; operated meditation centers in different countries; and even established, at a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Stu, I wish I read your post before I responded. Thanks for having my back, but most of all thanks for excellent points about the consequences of irrational beliefs! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg - This flame is mean spirited. Curtis was bringing up a excellent point. He does not disrespect humanity. But from my reading he has a healthy contempt for cultural delusions of religious followers. Instead of attacking the salient point you go for his person. This is a symptom of poor character. I believe, that as a thinking human being we have a moral obligation to unveil hypocrisies and deluded thinking where it lurks. To allow blind faith in mirages is like providing drinks to alcoholics. By turning a blind eye we are enabling a disease that has actual life threatening consequences. 100 years ago these deluded beliefs carried a limited threat. At most there would be the genocide of a few thousand people in the name of the supernatural. Times now are changing. Do you really want societies with nuclear capabilities to be easily distracted by shiny objects? Namaste, s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, You know, gotta say it, I can't hold a candle to your blazing sun of snark. I try. God knows I try, but when it comes to wholesale besmirching of cultures and religions, compared to you, I'm just a stupidhead. With one spectacular swipe of your pen, poof goes any respect for a billion innocents, but I have to really chug and puff and grind to even get one War Monger to be viewed as disposable. I bow to your potencies, your glories, your effortless fabulosnarkoness the blinding clarifying light of which no movement, no religion, no dogma can survive. Clearly we all need a twelve step program to begin the long journey of refurbishing our souls such that we too can merely wink and grunt and dismiss anyone, or any culture that would sully the Earth by modeling belief or faith or icky mushyness. I'm inspired! I'm going right out now to find a bar somewhere that needs my poor guitar licks (I know three chords!) and I'm sure they'll let me play for tips, and if I get anywhere nearer to your perfections, I'm sure I'll find a 42 year old, half drunk, sobbing lady whose marriage is in a slump, and man I'll hit that and be saying a prayer to you in thanks for the guidance you've given so freely to all here. Omygod Shanti Omygod, Edg PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu, I wish I read your post before I responded. Thanks for having my back, but most of all thanks for excellent points about the consequences of irrational beliefs! You know, cultural relativism has its problems. But given a choice between the two, I prefer it over cultural arrogance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: Edg - This flame is mean spirited. Curtis was bringing up a excellent point. He does not disrespect humanity. But from my reading he has a healthy contempt for cultural delusions of religious followers. Instead of attacking the salient point you go for his person. This is a symptom of poor character. I believe, that as a thinking human being we have a moral obligation to unveil hypocrisies and deluded thinking where it lurks. To allow blind faith in mirages is like providing drinks to alcoholics. By turning a blind eye we are enabling a disease that has actual life threatening consequences. 100 years ago these deluded beliefs carried a limited threat. At most there would be the genocide of a few thousand people in the name of the supernatural. Times now are changing. Do you really want societies with nuclear capabilities to be easily distracted by shiny objects? Namaste, s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, You know, gotta say it, I can't hold a candle to your blazing sun of snark. I try. God knows I try, but when it comes to wholesale besmirching of cultures and religions, compared to you, I'm just a stupidhead. With one spectacular swipe of your pen, poof goes any respect for a billion innocents, but I have to really chug and puff and grind to even get one War Monger to be viewed as disposable. I bow to your potencies, your glories, your effortless fabulosnarkoness the blinding clarifying light of which no movement, no religion, no dogma can survive. Clearly we all need a twelve step program to begin the long journey of refurbishing our souls such that we too can merely wink and grunt and dismiss anyone, or any culture that would sully the Earth by modeling belief or faith or icky mushyness. I'm inspired! I'm going right out now to find a bar somewhere that needs my poor guitar licks (I know three chords!) and I'm sure they'll let me play for tips, and if I get anywhere nearer to your perfections, I'm sure I'll find a 42 year old, half drunk, sobbing lady whose marriage is in a slump, and man I'll hit that and be saying a prayer to you in thanks for the guidance you've given so freely to all here. Omygod Shanti Omygod, Edg PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A two minute lifetime with Beatles soundtrack
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Turq, Really. Far too much treble, not enough bass, bad balance between the instruments. All George Martin's fault. It sounded good at the time, but that was because no one else had really done much with mixing at that point. Now that they have and we in the audience have heard what good mixes sound like, I'm sorry to say it but I find much of the Beatles' music nigh unto unlistenable. They were mixed for AM radio. I believe some of the tracks have been remixed. My first Beatles album was on reel-to-reel tape (back when you could get albums that way) and sounded a world apart from the LP. Martin was innovative and kept them from being just another also-ran. George Martin and his son went back to the Beatle's masters and remixed many of the songs for the Cirque do Soleil show Love. Get the soundtrack. Its a wonderful experience especially though a good set of headphones. I do share Edg's appreciation for the spaces in music. Its sad that pop music does not allow for the spaces that one finds in classical and jazz. He does make one scary interpretation: I think the Beatles' song, Because, captures the silence that makes all of life holy. It is as close to sacred as a song can get. When I started TM, I thought that this song was going to be my soundtrack forever once I got enlightened. As an artist, I recognize the importance of the silent moments in art. For us TMer we learn an appreciation of silence. But to interpret silence as supernatural is a huge mistake. Nothingness is nothingness. To start giving it magical powers is to reduce it. Its the same sort of thinking that makes a bad record producer want to fill in the spaces because they think the listener is going to get bored. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Stu, I wish I read your post before I responded. Thanks for having my back, but most of all thanks for excellent points about the consequences of irrational beliefs! You know, cultural relativism has its problems. But given a choice between the two, I prefer it over cultural arrogance. I think you are confusing too very different value judgments. Cultural relativism has a specific meaning concerning a whole class of cultural judgments. The term arrogance offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride is a subjectively applied value judgment of a person's internal state. From my perspective me pointing out that I don't share their beliefs in their claims was none of those things. Religious beliefs have hidden behind this dodge for centuries. If the arrogance department, I would put up the person claiming to understand the details of the ultimate reality over someone who says: I don't think you do, and BTW, neither do I. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: Edg - This flame is mean spirited. Curtis was bringing up a excellent point. He does not disrespect humanity. But from my reading he has a healthy contempt for cultural delusions of religious followers. Instead of attacking the salient point you go for his person. This is a symptom of poor character. I believe, that as a thinking human being we have a moral obligation to unveil hypocrisies and deluded thinking where it lurks. To allow blind faith in mirages is like providing drinks to alcoholics. By turning a blind eye we are enabling a disease that has actual life threatening consequences. 100 years ago these deluded beliefs carried a limited threat. At most there would be the genocide of a few thousand people in the name of the supernatural. Times now are changing. Do you really want societies with nuclear capabilities to be easily distracted by shiny objects? Namaste, s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, You know, gotta say it, I can't hold a candle to your blazing sun of snark. I try. God knows I try, but when it comes to wholesale besmirching of cultures and religions, compared to you, I'm just a stupidhead. With one spectacular swipe of your pen, poof goes any respect for a billion innocents, but I have to really chug and puff and grind to even get one War Monger to be viewed as disposable. I bow to your potencies, your glories, your effortless fabulosnarkoness the blinding clarifying light of which no movement, no religion, no dogma can survive. Clearly we all need a twelve step program to begin the long journey of refurbishing our souls such that we too can merely wink and grunt and dismiss anyone, or any culture that would sully the Earth by modeling belief or faith or icky mushyness. I'm inspired! I'm going right out now to find a bar somewhere that needs my poor guitar licks (I know three chords!) and I'm sure they'll let me play for tips, and if I get anywhere nearer to your perfections, I'm sure I'll find a 42 year old, half drunk, sobbing lady whose marriage is in a slump, and man I'll hit that and be saying a prayer to you in thanks for the guidance you've given so freely to all here. Omygod Shanti Omygod, Edg PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/13178 I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness Test
In my opinion, you are right on, Judy, in your analysis of the bear situation in this and previous posts. Turq is also right, but the problem with his analysis is that the bear he thinks we might miss by reading the abstract only, rather than the whole paper, needs some refinement. The bear might be a problem when the scientist selects his variables, his players, as opposed to the bears. So any bears will never make it into his published paper. An alert colleague, however, would read the paper open to potentially important and absent bears. Indeed, one way to see progress in science is to note that bears that were thought to be unimportant are seen to be quite the opposite in later studies. And there is this: The bear is not important in counting the number of passes, but the bear could become crucially important when we ask ourselves if his presence increases or decreases the number of potential passes. There is another factor that plays a part here and that is not yet well understood in cognitive science. East Asian observers are far less likely than we are to miss the bear, even when instructed to count the number of passes. This has been shown to be the case in study after study. To my mind, this difference is part and parcel of linguistic differences. All Indo-European languages are based on the subject-predicate relationship, in which the subject is primary and the predicate verb is secondary. In East Asian languages, the predicate tends to be primary. And not only is the subject primary, there is more to it than that. Most Indo-European languages have a class of words called determiners (Russian being a notable exception). An explanation of what bearing all this has on our ability to see the bear follows, so if you could care less, delete the post. This whole subject seems related to me to meditation, however, so some of you might be interested. Determiners are a category of words that does not exist in traditional grammar. They are an example of what might be called an important bear that was missed by traditional grammarians. Since they are likely to be unfamiliar, a short explanation is in order. Take the word FISH. Is it a noun? It can be: I love fish. It can also be a verb: I fish on Sundays. It can be a modifier: I went to the fish pond. Who cares if its a noun? Well, you have to identify its syntactic function, or you dont understand the sentence. This identification is, however, subliminal for most speakers. But, in English especially, whether a word is understood as a noun or a verb can even affect its meaning. Consider this pair of sentences: He trains seals. He seals trains. So until we see it in some context, we cannot determine the syntactic function of a word such as FISH. There is, however, no question about THE FISH, MY FISH, or SIX FISH. In all three cases we are definitely dealing with a noun. Words such as THE, MY, and SIX thus have the primary function of sending a subliminal signal to the mind of a speaker of English to determine that a following word shall be understood as a noun: He trains the seals. He seals the trains. Word order also has the function of determining syntactic function. It is a truism among linguists that understanding determiners is tantamount to understanding how a Western mind sees the world. What a determiner does is to send a signal to the mind to isolate a set of boundaries from the undifferentiated flux of experience and call it a thing. And then we pretend (linguistically speaking) that all kinds of things are things that are really not things: Love is a many-splendored thing. Swimming is a thing I like to do, etc. It is this tendency to create things that is responsible for missing the bear. It is also this tendency to create things that is at the heart of the success of Western science and Western logic. Both have their weaknesses, however, just as East-Asian thinking also has its weaknesses. If I were doing research on the long-term effects of mediation, Id look for a tendency among long term Western meditators not to miss so many bears. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Interesting paper but it didn't take me long to spot the error that seems to dog all research into TM, that of poor controls. The problem here is the choice of groups, you have a non-TM group, short term TM(7 years) and long term TM(24 years). I would expect that as I've been meditating 15 years (TM for 5 and TMSP for 10) I would fall into the last category, yet on a check of the responses to questions I found myself falling towards the non-TM group, why would this be? Two possible answers; TM doesn't work as claimed and the experiment has been disproved OR the TM groups are simply recounting an explanation of experiences learned during their time as members of a very religious community steeped in Indian beliefs. Guess what explanation I would go for, and I doubt I would be alone. That is what is meant by poor controls, what you need is a TMer like me who never gave much of a toss about the supporting philosophy. That said, I'm definitley different after meditating so long but without a before and after test the statement is essentially meaningless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A two minute lifetime with Beatles soundtrack
On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Stu wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Turq, Really. Far too much treble, not enough bass, bad balance between the instruments. All George Martin's fault. It sounded good at the time, but that was because no one else had really done much with mixing at that point. Now that they have and we in the audience have heard what good mixes sound like, I'm sorry to say it but I find much of the Beatles' music nigh unto unlistenable. They were mixed for AM radio. I believe some of the tracks have been remixed. My first Beatles album was on reel-to-reel tape (back when you could get albums that way) and sounded a world apart from the LP. Martin was innovative and kept them from being just another also- ran. George Martin and his son went back to the Beatle's masters and remixed many of the songs for the Cirque do Soleil show Love. Get the soundtrack. Its a wonderful experience especially though a good set of headphones. Esp. the DVD version in surround sound.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:13 PM, hugheshugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Interesting paper but it didn't take me long to spot the error that seems to dog all research into TM, that of poor controls. The problem here is the choice of groups, you have a non-TM group, short term TM(7 years) and long term TM(24 years). I would expect that as I've been meditating 15 years (TM for 5 and TMSP for 10) I would fall into the last category, yet on a check of the responses to questions I found myself falling towards the non-TM group, why would this be? Two possible answers; TM doesn't work as claimed and the experiment has been disproved OR the TM groups are simply recounting an explanation of experiences learned during their time as members of a very religious community steeped in Indian beliefs. Guess what explanation I would go for, and I doubt I would be alone. That is what is meant by poor controls, what you need is a TMer like me who never gave much of a toss about the supporting philosophy. That said, I'm definitley different after meditating so long but without a before and after test the statement is essentially meaningless. Actually you could actually use dyed in the wool TM TB's...if you simply counterbalanced them with appropriate controls. For example, a TM TB might believe that they are contributing to world peace, the world plan, the coming Sat Yuga, the advancement of science, etc--so there are motivating factors for these subjects. In such a case, you simply counterbalance that effect with your controls. For example, offer a small prize for good performance during testing. It's been used with TMers before and it does work. Unfortunately the type of benefits they're so desperately trying to tout end up being nullified or even reversed when compared to controls. You see the same thing with almost any type of relaxation response style meditation technique.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Stu, I wish I read your post before I responded. Thanks for having my back, but most of all thanks for excellent points about the consequences of irrational beliefs! You know, cultural relativism has its problems. But given a choice between the two, I prefer it over cultural arrogance. I think you are confusing too very different value judgments. Cultural relativism has a specific meaning concerning a whole class of cultural judgments. The term arrogance offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride is a subjectively applied value judgment of a person's internal state. Yes, of my internal state. I find that kind of display offensive. From my perspective me pointing out that I don't share their beliefs in their claims was none of those things. You didn't just point out that [you] don't share their beliefs. You rather viciously mocked the people who hold them and suggested that they were dangerous *because* they held those beliefs. And Stu's comments were arrogant in that he presumed to be in a position not only to determine what is deluded thinking and what is not, but to *prohibit* what he considers deluded thinking. It's entirely possible to express one's disagreement with a belief without being arrogant, to reject the belief without rejecting the people who hold it. That, to me, is the middle ground between cultural relativism and cultural arrogance. It seems to have been the arrogance and mockery--the snark--that repelled Edg, not the rejection of the beliefs per se. Religious beliefs have hidden behind this dodge for centuries. Which dodge is that? If the arrogance department, I would put up the person claiming to understand the details of the ultimate reality over someone who says: I don't think you do, and BTW, neither do I. Is anybody in this discussion making such a claim? snip I think it is adorable to watch children feed their baby dollies some milk. What precious little...what was that...these are NOT children feeding their baby dollies? These are voters in the world's largest democracy pretending to feed milk to imaginary beings? Not so cute. Especially if the baby god dollies tell their milk mommies to drop one of their nuclear bombs on that county next door who doesn't believe in their milk drinking baby god dollies...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. WTF? WTF is that Edg is envious that I can write without moodmaking. He can't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A two minute lifetime with Beatles soundtrack
Stu wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Turq, Really. Far too much treble, not enough bass, bad balance between the instruments. All George Martin's fault. It sounded good at the time, but that was because no one else had really done much with mixing at that point. Now that they have and we in the audience have heard what good mixes sound like, I'm sorry to say it but I find much of the Beatles' music nigh unto unlistenable. They were mixed for AM radio. I believe some of the tracks have been remixed. My first Beatles album was on reel-to-reel tape (back when you could get albums that way) and sounded a world apart from the LP. Martin was innovative and kept them from being just another also-ran. George Martin and his son went back to the Beatle's masters and remixed many of the songs for the Cirque do Soleil show Love. Get the soundtrack. Its a wonderful experience especially though a good set of headphones. I do share Edg's appreciation for the spaces in music. Its sad that pop music does not allow for the spaces that one finds in classical and jazz. He does make one scary interpretation: I think the Beatles' song, Because, captures the silence that makes all of life holy. It is as close to sacred as a song can get. When I started TM, I thought that this song was going to be my soundtrack forever once I got enlightened. As an artist, I recognize the importance of the silent moments in art. For us TMer we learn an appreciation of silence. But to interpret silence as supernatural is a huge mistake. Nothingness is nothingness. To start giving it magical powers is to reduce it. Its the same sort of thinking that makes a bad record producer want to fill in the spaces because they think the listener is going to get bored. s. Reminds me of recently when a friend whose son has a video production company sent me the link to the company's site where they had some samples of their work which and there were a couple of hip-hop or rap videos up there. These were not mainstream players and one looked like daddy paid for a production to get son a reality check and get back to his studies. :) As a composer I noted that the song didn't have much space in it and was tiring to listen to so I went to piece by a known artist of that genre and there indeed was space in his work. There's a similar thing in film scripts where the arc has to advance and fall back. Intense action has to have some relief between. I like to look at what I call the z-movie stuff that is on DVD. Some of it is pretty bad and one which was supposed to be an apocalyptic action film was just nothing but action for 20 minutes no relief probably because they couldn't write dialog to save their soul. I just wonder where people get financing for these. Probably some are reality checks from rich relatives and others are from people who have entirely too much money and no talent.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Judy, Eh, thanks for having my back. How's'bout we split up the work, and I respond to one of these two guys, and you take on the other? Now, do you want to take on Stu or Curtis? If you have druthers, let me know. I have druthers too, but you get to choose. I'd take Curtis as my druther, cuz Stu is more your type; he's thorough, clear, educated, accomplished to the point of being inspiring to all, and he can completely package his scientific mind within such precise nutshelled bon mots. I could see a delightful conversation between you two that might even get you to abandon that exercise lite of banging Turq's head into the ground. With Stu, you've got a deeply considering, brave, open, POV that could vie with you and give us all a dialog between two debaters who can go toe to toe. I think that would be great for you, instead of, you know, sniping at a chicken-hearted conceptual toddler who's peeling rubber and blowing smoke out his exhaust in an embarrassing attempt to flee at the first sign of another's clarity. Stu is honest and will do the hard slog of drilling down to the core issues, but he'll be equally as likely to show you a thing or twoer, maybe. It could be a cosmic tussle -- I'm just sayin'! Curtis is deep believer with true faith in his own romantic POV about his values-set. He adores music like a nun strumming her rosary, and worships the idea that his POV is in fact a deeper-still sacredly valid ken of what's-really-real than any third world thirsty doll worshiper could have. He's slipperier by a notch or more than Stu would be, so he's more my style, and he and I can wield, as if, giant toy shotguns that shoot these kitten soft plush fake bullets at each other. And that's just a load of fun. So? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Stu, I wish I read your post before I responded. Thanks for having my back, but most of all thanks for excellent points about the consequences of irrational beliefs! You know, cultural relativism has its problems. But given a choice between the two, I prefer it over cultural arrogance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: Edg - This flame is mean spirited. Curtis was bringing up a excellent point. He does not disrespect humanity. But from my reading he has a healthy contempt for cultural delusions of religious followers. Instead of attacking the salient point you go for his person. This is a symptom of poor character. I believe, that as a thinking human being we have a moral obligation to unveil hypocrisies and deluded thinking where it lurks. To allow blind faith in mirages is like providing drinks to alcoholics. By turning a blind eye we are enabling a disease that has actual life threatening consequences. 100 years ago these deluded beliefs carried a limited threat. At most there would be the genocide of a few thousand people in the name of the supernatural. Times now are changing. Do you really want societies with nuclear capabilities to be easily distracted by shiny objects? Namaste, s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, You know, gotta say it, I can't hold a candle to your blazing sun of snark. I try. God knows I try, but when it comes to wholesale besmirching of cultures and religions, compared to you, I'm just a stupidhead. With one spectacular swipe of your pen, poof goes any respect for a billion innocents, but I have to really chug and puff and grind to even get one War Monger to be viewed as disposable. I bow to your potencies, your glories, your effortless fabulosnarkoness the blinding clarifying light of which no movement, no religion, no dogma can survive. Clearly we all need a twelve step program to begin the long journey of refurbishing our souls such that we too can merely wink and grunt and dismiss anyone, or any culture that would sully the Earth by modeling belief or faith or icky mushyness. I'm inspired! I'm going right out now to find a bar somewhere that needs my poor guitar licks (I know three chords!) and I'm sure they'll let me play for tips, and if I get anywhere nearer to your perfections, I'm sure I'll find a 42 year old, half drunk, sobbing lady whose marriage is in a slump, and man I'll hit that and be saying a prayer to you in thanks for the guidance you've given so freely to all here. Omygod Shanti Omygod, Edg PS -- all that and Turq is your best friend here too!!! I swoon with envy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In
Re: [FairfieldLife] San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
holobuda wrote: http://www.naturalnews.com/022816.html And folks in the Bay Area are protesting loudly about it. And rightly so. I recently watched a report on 60 Minutes about the bee deaths and keepers believe strongly it is the new pesticides. These pesticides aren't supposed to affect humans but I'm noting the same symptoms that were observed in bees are starting to be reported in humans especially the memory loss problems (even in young folks).
[FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
Does anyone know how to burn the files downloadable at HYPERLINK http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsphttp: //www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsp to DVD so they can be watched on a TV? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
Seems to me that the story about human beings being the only beings with nervous systems suitable for transcending is only a story at this point, not a proven reality. When I was an undergrad, my professors told me that animals could not feel pain because they didn't have a human nervous system. I thought it was rubbish at the time. I think my cat Greymir spends a lot of time in samadhi--more time in samadhi than in actual thought. As for the proper position for samadhi, here's my two cents worth. It is true that early on I noticed that my sitting posture became more erect during samadhi, but then, as I began to witness deep sleep, I obviously was able to do it while my body was in all kinds of very prone and relaxed positions. Samadhi is also more easily attained during the standing position in Tai Chi that is called standing in Wu Ji, which, as the name indicates, is standing in nothingness. It is a state of restful alertness. Take a look at meerkats. They are absolute masters at standing in Wu Ji. a --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have three parrots and you can see in their eyes when they are in samadhi because they glow and roll up a bit. It's really quite obvious if you have been around them for some time. Since the nervous system is a 'reflector' of the one Brahman or pure consciousness, and birds do not have a full compliment of chakras, their nervous systems would not be able to fully reflect pure consciousness or achieve Samadhi. Man is unique in this respect, his causal/astral/physical nervous system contains all of the elements (7 chakras) necessary to fully reflect Being ultimately becoming one with itand man was made in the image of God. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, you are right on, Judy, in your analysis of the bear situation in this and previous posts. Turq is also right, but the problem with his analysis is that the bear he thinks we might miss by reading the abstract only, rather than the whole paper, needs some refinement. Ahem. I never said, or suggested, only. I merely assumed that anyone who places their trust in a scientific study of any kind has read all of it. I was commenting on the inevitable pre-prejudicing that can take place when one reads a synopsis or abstract written by the researchers BEFORE one reads the body of the study. I still think that's a good idea. You, on the other hand, don't seem to even feel the need to read the whole study.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Mamet compares Bush to Kennedy
Shem wrote: Bush got us into Iraq, JFK into Vietnam. Bush stole the election in Florida; Kennedy stole his in Chicago. Bush outed a CIA agent; Kennedy left hundreds of them to die in the surf at the Bay of Pigs. Bush lied about his military service; Kennedy accepted a Pulitzer Prize for a book written by Ted Sorenson. Bush was in bed with the Saudis, Kennedy with the Mafia. Oh. From: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0811,374064,374064,1.html And Al Gore gave us the Clipper Chip. Oh. In 1994, Vice President Gore issued a memo on the topic of encryption which stated that under a new policy the White House would provide better encryption to individuals and businesses while ensuring that the needs of law enforcement and national security are met. Read more: Al Gore and information technology: http://tinyurl.com/253qr6 The Clipper Chip: http://epic.org/crypto/clipper/ Clipper Chip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
Maybe in some months more and more Tm meditators will find there way to the Art of Living??? I was realizing that maybe Maharishi was not senile when he ousted Chopra and denounced Sri Sri Ravi. Maybe it was for them to go out in the world and do as they have done. Now it is not a question of Ravi's ambition or Chopra's need for glory that would make them adopt so many of us. Maybe the Royal Highness of Rajah Ram will be there to reflect the design of ideal and to provide world guidance from the level of the unified field. Yet the actual guru maybe will be SRI SRI. I can not see Tony Nader as a guru. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has proven himself... Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:13 PM, hugheshugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Interesting paper but it didn't take me long to spot the error that seems to dog all research into TM, that of poor controls. The problem here is the choice of groups, you have a non-TM group, short term TM(7 years) and long term TM(24 years). I would expect that as I've been meditating 15 years (TM for 5 and TMSP for 10) I would fall into the last category, yet on a check of the responses to questions I found myself falling towards the non-TM group, why would this be? Two possible answers; TM doesn't work as claimed and the experiment has been disproved OR the TM groups are simply recounting an explanation of experiences learned during their time as members of a very religious community steeped in Indian beliefs. Guess what explanation I would go for, and I doubt I would be alone. That is what is meant by poor controls, what you need is a TMer like me who never gave much of a toss about the supporting philosophy. That said, I'm definitley different after meditating so long but without a before and after test the statement is essentially meaningless. Actually you could actually use dyed in the wool TM TB's...if you simply counterbalanced them with appropriate controls. For example, a TM TB might believe that they are contributing to world peace, the world plan, the coming Sat Yuga, the advancement of science, etc--so there are motivating factors for these subjects. In such a case, you simply counterbalance that effect with your controls. For example, offer a small prize for good performance during testing. It's been used with TMers before and it does work. Unfortunately the type of benefits they're so desperately trying to tout end up being nullified or even reversed when compared to controls. You see the same thing with almost any type of relaxation response style meditation technique. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[FairfieldLife] Redacted Movie and America's Karma
Brian De Palma's film Redacted is now available on DVD. I watched it last night including most of the interviews with Iraqi refugees. This is well worth a watch. So America now has a lot of bad karma over this horrible incursion into Iraq to destroy a functioning country to destroy the lives of millions. What goes around comes around. http://redactedmovie.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Interesting paper but it didn't take me long to spot the error that seems to dog all research into TM, that of poor controls. The problem here is the choice of groups, you have a non-TM group, short term TM(7 years) and long term TM(24 years). I would expect that as I've been meditating 15 years (TM for 5 and TMSP for 10) I would fall into the last category, yet on a check of the responses to questions I found myself falling towards the non-TM group, why would this be? Two possible answers; TM doesn't work as claimed and the experiment has been disproved OR the TM groups are simply recounting an explanation of experiences learned during their time as members of a very religious community steeped in Indian beliefs. FWIW, the subjects were described as members of the larger Fairfield community, i.e., meditators, but not necessarily MUM students or faculty or even TM True Believers. Guess what explanation I would go for, and I doubt I would be alone. That is what is meant by poor controls, what you need is a TMer like me who never gave much of a toss about the supporting philosophy. According to the paper: Another possible confound is subject reactivity. Did the content analysis simply reveal ``well-learned convictions'' in these subjects? Again, a close inspection of the data suggests that there was minimal effect of subject reactivity. Both TM groups had been meditating for some time. The so-called Short-Term group in this study had been meditating for an average of 7 years. That is time enough to learn all the ``right'' answers. However, not having the experience of the integration of pure consciousness with waking and sleeping, the Short-Term subjects were not able to actually describe that integrated experience. They were not able to discuss fine details of the integration of pure consciousness with waking. Rather, subjects simply expressed what predominated in their daily experience. This conclusion is supported by the lack of significant group differences between the lengths of the interviews, and the number of quotations and codes resulting from the content analysis. This suggests that individuals in each group described their experience to similar degrees. What differed was the actual nature of their personal experience. That said, I'm definitley different after meditating so long but without a before and after test the statement is essentially meaningless. The point of the research was not to determine the effects of TM, but rather to correlate certain neurophysiological parameters with inner/outer orientation, moral reasoning, anxiety, and personality. The study's conclusion was that the data suggest that definable states of brain activity and subjective experiences exist, in addition to waking, sleeping and dreaming, that may be operationally defined by psychological and physiological measures along a continuum of Object-referral/Self-referral Continuum of self-awareness. (This is why the cherry-picking objection makes no sense, BTW.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
Well, last year when I was insomniac and would sit on the steps smoking cigarettes all night long, I would notice jets flying over the city leaving chemtrails each morning about 6:00 am and that's when I stopped drinking tap water. My personal belief is that the government actually hates us (The South) and is trying to kill us all, not sure why they're like that, but that's my gut feeling. I believe that the US Federal Government is the Death Squad. All they do is torture and kill. And tax. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide holobuda wrote: http://www.naturalnews.com/022816.html And folks in the Bay Area are protesting loudly about it. And rightly so. I recently watched a report on 60 Minutes about the bee deaths and keepers believe strongly it is the new pesticides. These pesticides aren't supposed to affect humans but I'm noting the same symptoms that were observed in bees are starting to be reported in humans especially the memory loss problems (even in young folks). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Judy wrote: It's entirely possible to express one's disagreement with a belief without being arrogant, to reject the belief without rejecting the people who hold it. You murder-supporting psychotic malignancy. - Ed
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Yes, of my internal state. I find that kind of display offensive. And you are welcome to that judgment. From my perspective me pointing out that I don't share their beliefs in their claims was none of those things. You didn't just point out that [you] don't share their beliefs. You rather viciously mocked the people who hold them and suggested that they were dangerous *because* they held those beliefs. Of course my humor style is going to differ from your own. I don't think there was anything vicious in what I wrote. I doubt that any milk feeders are monitoring my opinion here so people have to be offended on their behalf. Because most of the posters here are at least as well grounded in rational thought as I am, my joke was directed to the people who share my POV, not at the people holding the statue feeding belief. But the point that this kind of irrational belief is dangerous is true IMO. Not that they believe their statures represent gods. But that they make the additional carny move of trying to prove their beliefs with a physical miracle. It was this slippery move that brought out my scorn. I don't care what people believe about their gods till they try to use poor physical evidence to bamboozle people. And if you are not hip to the money involved in the donations that follow such miracles promoted by carny temple operators, you should be. And Stu's comments were arrogant in that he presumed to be in a position not only to determine what is deluded thinking and what is not, but to *prohibit* what he considers deluded thinking. It's entirely possible to express one's disagreement with a belief without being arrogant, to reject the belief without rejecting the people who hold it. And it is possible to do so with humor as well. For some my writing succeeds and for some, not so much. That, to me, is the middle ground between cultural relativism and cultural arrogance. I agree with this and that is how I live my life in a multicultural community. I enjoy religious rituals including Hindu. I do not support using phony miracles to fleece the public. It seems to have been the arrogance and mockery--the snark--that repelled Edg, not the rejection of the beliefs per se. One man's snark is another man's humor. But I will point out that my snark was directed to a group of people who are unlikely to post here. Edg was directing his directly at me which should violate your criteria for the middle way. Religious beliefs have hidden behind this dodge for centuries. Which dodge is that? That any criticism is a display of a character limitation. If the arrogance department, I would put up the person claiming to understand the details of the ultimate reality over someone who says: I don't think you do, and BTW, neither do I. Is anybody in this discussion making such a claim? Yes the people who feed the statues. It is being promoted as a miracle from the creator of the universe. As usual, your post has challenged me to think about what I wrote more deeply. At least as much as I am capable, so thanks for that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Stu, I wish I read your post before I responded. Thanks for having my back, but most of all thanks for excellent points about the consequences of irrational beliefs! You know, cultural relativism has its problems. But given a choice between the two, I prefer it over cultural arrogance. I think you are confusing too very different value judgments. Cultural relativism has a specific meaning concerning a whole class of cultural judgments. The term arrogance offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride is a subjectively applied value judgment of a person's internal state. Yes, of my internal state. I find that kind of display offensive. From my perspective me pointing out that I don't share their beliefs in their claims was none of those things. You didn't just point out that [you] don't share their beliefs. You rather viciously mocked the people who hold them and suggested that they were dangerous *because* they held those beliefs. And Stu's comments were arrogant in that he presumed to be in a position not only to determine what is deluded thinking and what is not, but to *prohibit* what he considers deluded thinking. It's entirely possible to express one's disagreement with a belief without being arrogant, to reject the belief without rejecting the people who hold it. That, to me, is the middle ground between cultural relativism and cultural arrogance. It seems to have been the arrogance and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
No sorry. Not sure of m4v file extension. Otherwise I would have suggested ImTOO AVI to DVD Converter. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs Does anyone know how to burn the files downloadable at http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsp to DVD so they can be watched on a TV? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
The question is sort of moot because someday you will be having visions and your pets will be watching them too. I remember watching my bird sitting on her egg cooing away and all of a sudden I saw she was surrounded by small devas. Okay, story for another day. Probably won't make it into the self serving and self important sermons of the people. - Original Message - From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna Seems to me that the story about human beings being the only beings with nervous systems suitable for transcending is only a story at this point, not a proven reality. When I was an undergrad, my professors told me that animals could not feel pain because they didn't have a human nervous system. I thought it was rubbish at the time. I think my cat Greymir spends a lot of time in samadhi--more time in samadhi than in actual thought. As for the proper position for samadhi, here's my two cents worth. It is true that early on I noticed that my sitting posture became more erect during samadhi, but then, as I began to witness deep sleep, I obviously was able to do it while my body was in all kinds of very prone and relaxed positions. Samadhi is also more easily attained during the standing position in Tai Chi that is called standing in Wu Ji, which, as the name indicates, is standing in nothingness. It is a state of restful alertness. Take a look at meerkats. They are absolute masters at standing in Wu Ji. a --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have three parrots and you can see in their eyes when they are in samadhi because they glow and roll up a bit. It's really quite obvious if you have been around them for some time. Since the nervous system is a 'reflector' of the one Brahman or pure consciousness, and birds do not have a full compliment of chakras, their nervous systems would not be able to fully reflect pure consciousness or achieve Samadhi. Man is unique in this respect, his causal/astral/physical nervous system contains all of the elements (7 chakras) necessary to fully reflect Being ultimately becoming one with itand man was made in the image of God. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: In my opinion, you are right on, Judy, in your analysis of the bear situation in this and previous posts. Turq is also right, but the problem with his analysis is that the bear he thinks we might miss by reading the abstract only, rather than the whole paper, needs some refinement. Ahem. I never said, or suggested, only. I merely assumed that anyone who places their trust in a scientific study of any kind has read all of it. I was commenting on the inevitable pre-prejudicing that can take place when one reads a synopsis or abstract written by the researchers BEFORE one reads the body of the study. I still think that's a good idea. Non sequitur to what Angela is suggesting. Unfortunately, it seems you may have read only the first few sentences of her post. She continues: The bear might be a problem when the scientist selects his variables, his players, as opposed to the bears. So any bears will never make it into his published paper. An alert colleague, however, would read the paper open to potentially important and absent bears. Indeed, one way to see progress in science is to note that bears that were thought to be unimportant are seen to be quite the opposite in later studies. And there is this: The bear is not important in counting the number of passes, but the bear could become crucially important when we ask ourselves if his presence increases or decreases the number of potential passes. You, on the other hand, don't seem to even feel the need to read the whole study. And Barry, on the third hand, hasn't read any of the study at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Judy wrote: I find that kind of display offensive. Oh, so NOW you've found an offensive display? You're lying gutless supporter of child killing. - Ed
Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Does anyone know how to burn the files downloadable athttp:// www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsp to DVD so they can be watched on a TV? What format are the downloaded files in? They look like iPod format (.mp4). Do you have a particular DVD/CD burning software you use? If the downloaded files are not as standard DVD folders and files, you will need software which can convert them to DVD format and then burn the resulting files. I use Toast (on the Mac) or VisualHub (good, fast and cheap). FFmpeg is an Open Source solution, but with a steeper learning curve, although there are some versions with graphic front ends. If you own a DVD burner, it probably came with the software you need. If you have a video iPod, just drag the files to iTunes and synch with your iPod--then you can play it from your iPod directly to your TV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:13 PM, hugheshugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Interesting paper but it didn't take me long to spot the error that seems to dog all research into TM, that of poor controls. The problem here is the choice of groups, you have a non-TM group, short term TM(7 years) and long term TM(24 years). I would expect that as I've been meditating 15 years (TM for 5 and TMSP for 10) I would fall into the last category, yet on a check of the responses to questions I found myself falling towards the non- TM group, why would this be? Two possible answers; TM doesn't work as claimed and the experiment has been disproved OR the TM groups are simply recounting an explanation of experiences learned during their time as members of a very religious community steeped in Indian beliefs. Guess what explanation I would go for, and I doubt I would be alone. That is what is meant by poor controls, what you need is a TMer like me who never gave much of a toss about the supporting philosophy. That said, I'm definitley different after meditating so long but without a before and after test the statement is essentially meaningless. Actually you could actually use dyed in the wool TM TB's...if you simply counterbalanced them with appropriate controls. For example, a TM TB might believe that they are contributing to world peace, the world plan, the coming Sat Yuga, the advancement of science, etc-- so there are motivating factors for these subjects. In such a case, you simply counterbalance that effect with your controls. For example, offer a small prize for good performance during testing. It's what they need if it's to be taken seriously, I volunteered for experiments once, I think I would have been perfect but some of the researchers I read about would reject even me because I had been exposed to the beliefs when I lived in an academy even though I was sceptical of most of it. I think a better experiment would be to have people meditate doing any technique (or a mixture) who have never believed or have heard of eastern beliefs and see how they score after a few years. And if they develop their own language to report any change of awareness or if they would be like me and say it's just different like having a light bulb in my head. I've often wondered if we are primed to have experiences during the explanation of MMYs view of consciousness on the first day of checking after being taught. I know that I had some vivid experiences that correlated exactly with the 3 levels of enlightenment after having read them in a TM book, it's a shame I can't say for sure whether my mind was just being obliging. Still nice memories though, but rendered useless as science. Prizes is an interesting idea, I can see the power of suggestion being important. Another one I'd like to do is whether a previous record of taking halucinogenic drugs has any effect on experiences. It's been used with TMers before and it does work. Unfortunately the type of benefits they're so desperately trying to tout end up being nullified or even reversed when compared to controls. You see the same thing with almost any type of relaxation response style meditation technique. I'll do a post about the new ideas in consciousness research I'm reading about just as soon as I've finished the book. A lot of these scientists are interested in meditation and they don't practise any types themselves (which is a good start in my opinion) and the ideas they come up with are amazing. Just as Isaac Newtown taught us more about vision than anyone had ever known by sticking knitting needles behind his eyes and bending them out of shape, these guys think that studying the mind when it's in different and rare states can teach us how the illusion of the Cartesian theatre of consiousness is created. Big surprises in store I think. Watch this space.
[FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
Thank you, Kirk. Empty Clarity says it all, but I'm glad you continued to write more because it's all good. Deep bow to That. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** -There is no God. What there is is empty clarity. All things reflect this as none of them are established in any way. Thus there is no thing which is more nor less Brahman. There is no Brahman. There never was a Brahman. There never will be a Brahman. There is nothing which stays forever the same. Anything which could stay forever the same has not done so, so why? Because there is nothing which serves as a basis for something to stay the same. Thus nothing is established as permanent. Thus your system of chakras is inept and does not serve the cause of truth as either a parable nor as a foundation for awakening, nor as something of vital essence for liberation. There is only empty clarity at the root of all, and even that is merely a view or standpoint. There is no vital body of three or seven or 14 or ten or twenty spheres, nor a body of sheaths, nor deities to channel, not gods to inhabit the heavens. Nothing has been established. So if my parrots wish to stay in samadhi, that's their doing, and they are no less ept nor inept for your parroting bogus teachings of no value. The only good chakra is the one which rolls and does work. Work is mass times acceleration over a distance. A wheel which doesn't accelerate, which has no mass, and which goes no distance does no work, thus it's pointless. Both literally, figuratively, and in all ways. If it goes nowhere then what sort of wheel is it? If there is nowhere to go then what sort of teaching is it? Neither you nor anyone else will ever prove the existance of Brahman, because Brahman has never been established as something.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Curtis wrote: It is one of your least charming posting habits. One? You're a shitheel apologist for evil. - Ed
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Louis McKenzie wrote: Maybe in some months more and more Tm meditators will find there way to the Art of Living??? I was realizing that maybe Maharishi was not senile when he ousted Chopra and denounced Sri Sri Ravi. Maybe it was for them to go out in the world and do as they have done. Now it is not a question of Ravi's ambition or Chopra's need for glory that would make them adopt so many of us. Maybe the Royal Highness of Rajah Ram will be there to reflect the design of ideal and to provide world guidance from the level of the unified field. Yet the actual guru maybe will be SRI SRI. I can not see Tony Nader as a guru. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has proven himself... You can't help but wonder that. Of course in a very real sense, the Art of Living Foundation already IS the new TM movement. They've got the numbers, they've got the excitement and they've got one hell of a nice guru. TM 2.0 as I like to call it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Does anyone know how to burn the files downloadable atHYPERLINK http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsphttp: //www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsp to DVD so they can be watched on a TV? What format are the downloaded files in? They look like iPod format (.mp4). They are. Do you have a particular DVD/CD burning software you use? I have BurnAware Free Edition and Power2Go, both of which can burn DVDs, but they don’t recognize this file format. If the downloaded files are not as standard DVD folders and files, you will need software which can convert them to DVD format and then burn the resulting files. I use Toast (on the Mac) My wife has Toast on her Mac. or HYPERLINK http://www.techspansion.com/visualhub/VisualHub (good, fast and cheap). FFmpeg is an Open Source solution, but with a steeper learning curve, although there are some versions with graphic front ends. If you own a DVD burner, it probably came with the software you need. My computer can burn DVDs. If you have a video iPod, just drag the files to iTunes and synch with your iPod--then you can play it from your iPod directly to your TV. I have a little 4Mb iPod Nano. I guess it’s not video-capable, and I don’t think my TV has a USB port. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Curtis is deep believer with true faith in his own romantic POV about his values-set. As opposed to? What are the options here, are there people posting who do not have a confidence in their own carefully acquired POV? He adores music like a nun strumming her rosary, Very different attachments for completely different reasons. The only thing similar is that a nun gets physically supported for her beliefs and music pays my bills. I don't believe that my music connects me with the ultimate reality of the universe. It is just my personal groove in play here. and worships the idea that his POV is in fact a deeper-still sacredly valid ken of what's-really-real than any third world thirsty doll worshiper could have. I don't believe that the dolls were drinking milk. I could see it running down the front of the statue. I am aware of the economic motives behind the temple operators. Worship has nothing to do with seeing though an obvious scam. I bet I know a secret...you don't believe they were drinking milk either do you? Do you believe that Jesus appears on Tacos? How about Virgin Mary on toast? He's slipperier by a notch or more than Stu would be, so he's more my style, and he and I can wield, as if, giant toy shotguns that shoot these kitten soft plush fake bullets at each other. And that's just a load of fun. Are you trying to say that you are gay for me Edg? I'm gay for you too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, Eh, thanks for having my back. How's'bout we split up the work, and I respond to one of these two guys, and you take on the other? Now, do you want to take on Stu or Curtis? If you have druthers, let me know. I have druthers too, but you get to choose. I'd take Curtis as my druther, cuz Stu is more your type; he's thorough, clear, educated, accomplished to the point of being inspiring to all, and he can completely package his scientific mind within such precise nutshelled bon mots. I could see a delightful conversation between you two that might even get you to abandon that exercise lite of banging Turq's head into the ground. With Stu, you've got a deeply considering, brave, open, POV that could vie with you and give us all a dialog between two debaters who can go toe to toe. I think that would be great for you, instead of, you know, sniping at a chicken-hearted conceptual toddler who's peeling rubber and blowing smoke out his exhaust in an embarrassing attempt to flee at the first sign of another's clarity. Stu is honest and will do the hard slog of drilling down to the core issues, but he'll be equally as likely to show you a thing or twoer, maybe. It could be a cosmic tussle -- I'm just sayin'! Curtis is deep believer with true faith in his own romantic POV about his values-set. He adores music like a nun strumming her rosary, and worships the idea that his POV is in fact a deeper-still sacredly valid ken of what's-really-real than any third world thirsty doll worshiper could have. He's slipperier by a notch or more than Stu would be, so he's more my style, and he and I can wield, as if, giant toy shotguns that shoot these kitten soft plush fake bullets at each other. And that's just a load of fun. So? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Stu, I wish I read your post before I responded. Thanks for having my back, but most of all thanks for excellent points about the consequences of irrational beliefs! You know, cultural relativism has its problems. But given a choice between the two, I prefer it over cultural arrogance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: Edg - This flame is mean spirited. Curtis was bringing up a excellent point. He does not disrespect humanity. But from my reading he has a healthy contempt for cultural delusions of religious followers. Instead of attacking the salient point you go for his person. This is a symptom of poor character. I believe, that as a thinking human being we have a moral obligation to unveil hypocrisies and deluded thinking where it lurks. To allow blind faith in mirages is like providing drinks to alcoholics. By turning a blind eye we are enabling a disease that has actual life threatening consequences. 100 years ago these deluded beliefs carried a limited threat. At most there would be the genocide of a few thousand people in the name of the supernatural. Times now are changing. Do you really want societies with nuclear capabilities to be easily distracted by shiny objects? Namaste, s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, You know,
[FairfieldLife] The War Monger intrudes . . . . (Re: Hindu Milk Miracle)
Someone got up to the mike at my TTC and was reading from Maharishi's commentary in the Gita, and during the reading, Maharishi kept swooning and saying, Beautiful, beautiful. We all laughed because Maharishi was so innocent in front of us in loving his own words -- we all assumed he was beyond identifications, so his words were God's words to him and thus should be rightly praised. Just so, do I have to say, beautiful-beautiful to my own words quoted below. The War Monger is our pet creep here, and to the extent that he symbolizes the world's murderers, there cannot be anything too harshly said about him. My creative poetry about his ilk may be a disturbing excess indicating an aberrant psychology of an indulger in a dark fantasy world to others here, but my words fall far short of expressing the retching feeling any decent human being would have when carnage is plainly seen as carnage and not patriotic gore. He's as ludicrous as a pogo-sticking jerk bouncing down a church's center aisle during a group prayer while shouting out descriptions of dead children being glorious proof of America's virility. Nope, given the impotency of words, I cannot be accused of any sort of real damage to him or his possible evolution, so if anything, I am guilty of the sin of mere egoic thinking when so clearly my backhanding him is for naught, and the congregation here en masse beats me up for disturbing their sense of fairness! Except, you know, I get to write! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: It's entirely possible to express one's disagreement with a belief without being arrogant, to reject the belief without rejecting the people who hold it. You murder-supporting psychotic malignancy. - Ed
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
Yeah! I see that was the plan. Someone once said that he would be even bigger than Maharishi. To everyone that heard that it seemed impossible. Yet now as he is actually doing all the stuff. The UN, and various governments actually listening and doing his techniques this is very big stuff. Now Maharishi did not even have to hand him the baton he was already running.. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Louis McKenzie wrote: Maybe in some months more and more Tm meditators will find there way to the Art of Living??? I was realizing that maybe Maharishi was not senile when he ousted Chopra and denounced Sri Sri Ravi. Maybe it was for them to go out in the world and do as they have done. Now it is not a question of Ravi's ambition or Chopra's need for glory that would make them adopt so many of us. Maybe the Royal Highness of Rajah Ram will be there to reflect the design of ideal and to provide world guidance from the level of the unified field. Yet the actual guru maybe will be SRI SRI. I can not see Tony Nader as a guru. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has proven himself... You can't help but wonder that. Of course in a very real sense, the Art of Living Foundation already IS the new TM movement. They've got the numbers, they've got the excitement and they've got one hell of a nice guru. TM 2.0 as I like to call it. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
On Mar 13, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Do you have a particular DVD/CD burning software you use? I have BurnAware Free Edition and Power2Go, both of which can burn DVDs, but they don’t recognize this file format. Then you would either need to convert them from the Quicktime format they're in, to one your software could recognize (like AVI). If the downloaded files are not as standard DVD folders and files, you will need software which can convert them to DVD format and then burn the resulting files. I use Toast (on the Mac) My wife has Toast on her Mac. That's the easiest solution. It's all drag and drop. A bit slow though. or VisualHub (good, fast and cheap). FFmpeg is an Open Source solution, but with a steeper learning curve, although there are some versions with graphic front ends. If you own a DVD burner, it probably came with the software you need. My computer can burn DVDs. If you have a video iPod, just drag the files to iTunes and synch with your iPod--then you can play it from your iPod directly to your TV. I have a little 4Mb iPod Nano. I guess it’s not video-capable, and I don’t think my TV has a USB port. No, you'd need a video iPod or newer.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/169553 now comes up as the #2 listing in a search for John Konhaus http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/14618 comes up #1 for Bevan Morris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/724 comes up #6 for Tony Nader I’m sure these guys love it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
[FairfieldLife] Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!
Although Tony Nader is a good person I believe the only logical and appropriate solution to the problem of Maharishi-jee's succession would be Brahmachari Nandikeeshore, and amazing devotee and extremely dignified person with a rare combination of spirituality and humor. It's a dissapointment he is not mentioned even as a Raja. I don't want to speculate why (he's not Shrivastava but no other Shrivastawas was apointed either)... Also: Raja för India: Harris Kaplan - not even an Indian. He is said to have donated amazing amounts to the Indian TMO, but does that qualify him to lead India to glory? Anyway no hard feelings... Sab bhaagya rekha mei likha hei. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Louis McKenzie wrote: Maybe in some months more and more Tm meditators will find there way to the Art of Living??? I was realizing that maybe Maharishi was not senile when he ousted Chopra and denounced Sri Sri Ravi. Maybe it was for them to go out in the world and do as they have done. Now it is not a question of Ravi's ambition or Chopra's need for glory that would make them adopt so many of us. Maybe the Royal Highness of Rajah Ram will be there to reflect the design of ideal and to provide world guidance from the level of the unified field. Yet the actual guru maybe will be SRI SRI. I can not see Tony Nader as a guru. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has proven himself... You can't help but wonder that. Of course in a very real sense, the Art of Living Foundation already IS the new TM movement. They've got the numbers, they've got the excitement and they've got one hell of a nice guru. TM 2.0 as I like to call it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs On Mar 13, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Do you have a particular DVD/CD burning software you use? I have BurnAware Free Edition and Power2Go, both of which can burn DVDs, but they don’t recognize this file format. Then you would either need to convert them from the Quicktime format they're in, to one your software could recognize (like AVI). Can anyone recommend some converting freeware for the PC? My wife has Toast on her Mac. That's the easiest solution. It's all drag and drop. A bit slow though. I’ll try that. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
It was an old argument. :) - Original Message - From: Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna Thank you, Kirk. Empty Clarity says it all, but I'm glad you continued to write more because it's all good. Deep bow to That. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** -There is no God. What there is is empty clarity. All things reflect this as none of them are established in any way. Thus there is no thing which is more nor less Brahman. There is no Brahman. There never was a Brahman. There never will be a Brahman. There is nothing which stays forever the same. Anything which could stay forever the same has not done so, so why? Because there is nothing which serves as a basis for something to stay the same. Thus nothing is established as permanent. Thus your system of chakras is inept and does not serve the cause of truth as either a parable nor as a foundation for awakening, nor as something of vital essence for liberation. There is only empty clarity at the root of all, and even that is merely a view or standpoint. There is no vital body of three or seven or 14 or ten or twenty spheres, nor a body of sheaths, nor deities to channel, not gods to inhabit the heavens. Nothing has been established. So if my parrots wish to stay in samadhi, that's their doing, and they are no less ept nor inept for your parroting bogus teachings of no value. The only good chakra is the one which rolls and does work. Work is mass times acceleration over a distance. A wheel which doesn't accelerate, which has no mass, and which goes no distance does no work, thus it's pointless. Both literally, figuratively, and in all ways. If it goes nowhere then what sort of wheel is it? If there is nowhere to go then what sort of teaching is it? Neither you nor anyone else will ever prove the existance of Brahman, because Brahman has never been established as something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
Of course in a very real sense, the Art of Living Foundation already IS the new TM movement. They've got the numbers, they've got the excitement and they've got one hell of a nice guru. Except they suck. I have met plenty of Sri Sri Sriers who don't know what they fuck they're doing with their mantra technique and get nothing from it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!
I was at the Yugoslavia course where Nandkashore seemed to be being groomed for taking over. He really wasn't up to the task intellectually. When he went out with Purusha to give Intro lectures it was a total disaster. The guy may never have attended school after lower grades and his ability to stay on message was incorrigible. I think he would be an innocent among wolves around Bevan and the other power trippers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bojamuna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although Tony Nader is a good person I believe the only logical and appropriate solution to the problem of Maharishi-jee's succession would be Brahmachari Nandikeeshore, and amazing devotee and extremely dignified person with a rare combination of spirituality and humor. It's a dissapointment he is not mentioned even as a Raja. I don't want to speculate why (he's not Shrivastava but no other Shrivastawas was apointed either)... Also: Raja för India: Harris Kaplan - not even an Indian. He is said to have donated amazing amounts to the Indian TMO, but does that qualify him to lead India to glory? Anyway no hard feelings... Sab bhaagya rekha mei likha hei. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Louis McKenzie wrote: Maybe in some months more and more Tm meditators will find there way to the Art of Living??? I was realizing that maybe Maharishi was not senile when he ousted Chopra and denounced Sri Sri Ravi. Maybe it was for them to go out in the world and do as they have done. Now it is not a question of Ravi's ambition or Chopra's need for glory that would make them adopt so many of us. Maybe the Royal Highness of Rajah Ram will be there to reflect the design of ideal and to provide world guidance from the level of the unified field. Yet the actual guru maybe will be SRI SRI. I can not see Tony Nader as a guru. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has proven himself... You can't help but wonder that. Of course in a very real sense, the Art of Living Foundation already IS the new TM movement. They've got the numbers, they've got the excitement and they've got one hell of a nice guru. TM 2.0 as I like to call it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bojamuna Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY! Although Tony Nader is a good person I believe the only logical and appropriate solution to the problem of Maharishi-jee's succession would be Brahmachari Nandikeeshore, and amazing devotee and extremely dignified person with a rare combination of spirituality and humor. It's a dissapointment he is not mentioned even as a Raja. I don't want to speculate why (he's not Shrivastava but no other Shrivastawas was apointed either)... Nand Kishore’s a great guy, but I suspect the TMO bigwigs regard him as a little goofy. He has a great sense of humor and practically falls off his chair when he laughs. He’s also a bit of a loose cannon, speaking his own mind. I remember a talk once in which Neil Paterson felt he had to follow up Nand Kishore’s comments, with “What Nand Kishore meant to say was…..” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement
Dont know what you are talking about. Many people who are using his meditation find their experience even deeper than their TM experience. I have never done Sahaj but it was given to him to teach Indian people from Maharishi. So and most of the Sahaj teachers were Maharishi trained TM teachers. So please explain. Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course in a very real sense, the Art of Living Foundation already IS the new TM movement. They've got the numbers, they've got the excitement and they've got one hell of a nice guru. Except they suck. I have met plenty of Sri Sri Sriers who don't know what they fuck they're doing with their mantra technique and get nothing from it. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Technical Question - Burning DVDs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs On Mar 13, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Do you have a particular DVD/CD burning software you use? try going to www.nbxsoft.com. They've got a lot of free converters-- bare bones and fast. I've used the WMA and WAV to MP3 converter for a few months and am really pleased with it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
It is beyond question that Brahman does not exist, especially if existence is seen as the source of reality and if Western empiricism is the determining factor in deciding a question like this. None of that means, however, that Brahman is not real. --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the nervous system is a 'reflector' of the one Brahman or pure consciousness, and birds do not have a full compliment of chakras, their nervous systems would not be able to fully reflect pure consciousness or achieve Samadhi. Man is unique in this respect, his causal/astral/physical nervous system contains all of the elements (7 chakras) necessary to fully reflect Being ultimately becoming one with itand man was made in the image of God. -There is no God. What there is is empty clarity. All things reflect this as none of them are established in any way. Thus there is no thing which is more nor less Brahman. There is no Brahman. There never was a Brahman. There never will be a Brahman. There is nothing which stays forever the same. Anything which could stay forever the same has not done so, so why? Because there is nothing which serves as a basis for something to stay the same. Thus nothing is established as permanent. Thus your system of chakras is inept and does not serve the cause of truth as either a parable nor as a foundation for awakening, nor as something of vital essence for liberation. There is only empty clarity at the root of all, and even that is merely a view or standpoint. There is no vital body of three or seven or 14 or ten or twenty spheres, nor a body of sheaths, nor deities to channel, not gods to inhabit the heavens. Nothing has been established. So if my parrots wish to stay in samadhi, that's their doing, and they are no less ept nor inept for your parroting bogus teachings of no value. The only good chakra is the one which rolls and does work. Work is mass times acceleration over a distance. A wheel which doesn't accelerate, which has no mass, and which goes no distance does no work, thus it's pointless. Both literally, figuratively, and in all ways. If it goes nowhere then what sort of wheel is it? If there is nowhere to go then what sort of teaching is it? Neither you nor anyone else will ever prove the existance of Brahman, because Brahman has never been established as something. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!
Maharishi's Successor is already a master in his own rite. No matter who puts on a funny suit or some one decides to call his successor. Maharishi's successor was born from Maharishi and has established himself as a world renowned Guru. The process with normal minded people is one wherein they will eventually fall to personal problems. There was no spiritual figure that Maharishi actually named as his successor. Niether Tony Nader or Nandikeeshore can do what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has done. I think Maharishi being Maharishi sent him out on purpose. curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Yugoslavia course where Nandkashore seemed to be being groomed for taking over. He really wasn't up to the task intellectually. When he went out with Purusha to give Intro lectures it was a total disaster. The guy may never have attended school after lower grades and his ability to stay on message was incorrigible. I think he would be an innocent among wolves around Bevan and the other power trippers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bojamuna wrote: Although Tony Nader is a good person I believe the only logical and appropriate solution to the problem of Maharishi-jee's succession would be Brahmachari Nandikeeshore, and amazing devotee and extremely dignified person with a rare combination of spirituality and humor. It's a dissapointment he is not mentioned even as a Raja. I don't want to speculate why (he's not Shrivastava but no other Shrivastawas was apointed either)... Also: Raja för India: Harris Kaplan - not even an Indian. He is said to have donated amazing amounts to the Indian TMO, but does that qualify him to lead India to glory? Anyway no hard feelings... Sab bhaagya rekha mei likha hei. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Louis McKenzie wrote: Maybe in some months more and more Tm meditators will find there way to the Art of Living??? I was realizing that maybe Maharishi was not senile when he ousted Chopra and denounced Sri Sri Ravi. Maybe it was for them to go out in the world and do as they have done. Now it is not a question of Ravi's ambition or Chopra's need for glory that would make them adopt so many of us. Maybe the Royal Highness of Rajah Ram will be there to reflect the design of ideal and to provide world guidance from the level of the unified field. Yet the actual guru maybe will be SRI SRI. I can not see Tony Nader as a guru. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has proven himself... You can't help but wonder that. Of course in a very real sense, the Art of Living Foundation already IS the new TM movement. They've got the numbers, they've got the excitement and they've got one hell of a nice guru. TM 2.0 as I like to call it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
The chemtrail activity has been relentless in my part of california for the past few months. Last week I counted 25 criss-crossing trails in just one quadrant of the sky...and gave up counting. The trails spread out within a few hours and the clear blue sky turns milky. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, last year when I was insomniac and would sit on the steps smoking cigarettes all night long, I would notice jets flying over the city leaving chemtrails each morning about 6:00 am and that's when I stopped drinking tap water. My personal belief is that the government actually hates us (The South) and is trying to kill us all, not sure why they're like that, but that's my gut feeling. I believe that the US Federal Government is the Death Squad. All they do is torture and kill. And tax. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide holobuda wrote: http://www.naturalnews.com/022816.html And folks in the Bay Area are protesting loudly about it. And rightly so. I recently watched a report on 60 Minutes about the bee deaths and keepers believe strongly it is the new pesticides. These pesticides aren't supposed to affect humans but I'm noting the same symptoms that were observed in bees are starting to be reported in humans especially the memory loss problems (even in young folks). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of endlessrainintoapapercup Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:54 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide The chemtrail activity has been relentless in my part of california for the past few months. Last week I counted 25 criss-crossing trails in just one quadrant of the sky...and gave up counting. The trails spread out within a few hours and the clear blue sky turns milky. What makes you so sure it’s chem trails? Why not the obvious explanation? Ice crystals which form naturally when jet fuel burns at high altitudes. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
Rick, we get what folks term chemtrails here in Iowa. They often form a well-shaped grid across the sky. That pattern doesn't seem consistent with normal air traffic patterns of passenger jets or military jets. a --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of endlessrainintoapapercup Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:54 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide The chemtrail activity has been relentless in my part of california for the past few months. Last week I counted 25 criss-crossing trails in just one quadrant of the sky...and gave up counting. The trails spread out within a few hours and the clear blue sky turns milky. What makes you so sure its chem trails? Why not the obvious explanation? Ice crystals which form naturally when jet fuel burns at high altitudes. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
Normal flight paths don't randomly cross the sky in checkerboard patterns. And the vapor trails are smaller and dissolve into the atmosphere pretty quickly. They don't leave massive trails that linger and spread. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of endlessrainintoapapercup Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:54 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide The chemtrail activity has been relentless in my part of california for the past few months. Last week I counted 25 criss-crossing trails in just one quadrant of the sky...and gave up counting. The trails spread out within a few hours and the clear blue sky turns milky. What makes you so sure it's chem trails? Why not the obvious explanation? Ice crystals which form naturally when jet fuel burns at high altitudes. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Google results
If I understand the logorithm of Google correctly, the way it works is the more one clicks on a link from a Google search result, the higher up in the rating that link becomes for that particular search. Therefore, if everyone who reads this wants a john konhaus search to result in the FairFieldLife link coming up as the #1 result, all they have to do is go to google, search john konhaus and then ONLY click on the FairFieldLife result and, soon enough, if enough of us do that, it will become the #1 result! And the more you do it, the better the chances of this happening! Weee! Internet fun, internet justice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/169553 now comes up as the #2 listing in a search for John Konhaus http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/14618 comes up #1 for Bevan Morris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/724 comes up #6 for Tony Nader I'm sure these guys love it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
