[FairfieldLife] Who really runs the world (was Re: U.S. Immigration)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I agree that there should be some help for the people involved. But the people should take the initiative to find other opportunities when their current jobs are at a dead end. There's a reason why some jobs are being outsourced to other countries. That's because it's more efficient to do so. For whom? You people are so...so...nineteenth century. You still think in terms of countries, as if they were important and were running the planet. It's a corporate planet, and has been for some time. Of the top 150 economic entities on the planet by GDP, two thirds of them are *companies*, not countries: http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0220-roundtable.html On the other, pure capitalism is not the answer either. There should be an economic system that allows the people to take care of their economic needs and their spiritual well being. Dream on. There is only one rule among the two thirds of the economic entities on this planet, and that is profit. They all think like Shemp. (Isn't THAT a scary thought?) The corporations make their own rules, they make their own laws (in Iraq, Blackwater employees can now not be prosecuted for crimes that are still illegal for Iraqis and U.S. soldiers, including murder), and they do not answer to voters, only to their bottom line and the shareholders. And, as evidenced by the history of the United States in the last few years, many of the 1/3 of countries do the bidding of the corporations, not vice-versa. Immigration, schmimigration. That's just where you live. Wherever you do, chances are you work -- directly or indirectly -- for one of the real powers on the planet. WAKE UP, people...you are living in the past. It's no longer a world run by countries. It's a multi- national corporate world in which countries are quickly becoming irrelevant. They have their own armies and they make and fight their own wars. The corporate-run world of the future, portrayed in fiction by William Gibson and TV series like Charlie Jade and movies like War, Inc., is NOT a thing of the future. It's here now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I'm back! And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. ROTFL! I've never made a fuss about a timeout. I was never *given* a timeout to make a fuss about. Barry has also claimed that I refused to take a timeout, even though (a) I've never been given one, and (b) there's no refusal option for timeouts. Barry lives a life of solipsistic fantasy because reality doesn't work quite the way he thinks it should. And, oh, if you want to see class, check out a few of Barry's posts ranting about my posting habits, based on the obsessive count he keeps of the number of my posts. Sick, and getting sicker by the day. Gee, Judy...I was talking about Shemp and Nabby and sparaig, all of whom have thrown tantrums over being tossed off for a week or more. Did you somehow think I was talking about you? Must be a guilty conscience. And the lack of class thing, of course... :-) But now that you bring it up (I didn't) You *have* gone over the posting limit more than anyone here. That is documented, both before the enforced timeouts, and afterwards. And you have even *admitted* that you went over, and yet never once did you *voluntarily* take your well-deserved timeout. I'd say that speaks to a certain lack of class, wouldn't you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Miss USA Falls Down for Second Year in a Row
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To All: Is there a cosmic significance as to why the Miss USA representative fell down during the Miss Universe beauty contest? ** Too Top Heavy? Greasy Heals? Drank too much the night before. Nervous? Who Knows? Butterfly wings in Japan?
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration
(sniP The US jyotish chart shows that this country is not for the lazy or those without dreams of a better life. Bullshit. People in the US are very lazy. They are fat and drive 30 yards to get the gorceries. They are among the laziest people in the world. Not only that they feel entitled due to all the brainwashing they've had. Perhaps it has to do with extreme poverty in Mexico and Central America; Over-population due to lack of birth control due to Roman Catholism; The Republican attitude Bush learned from the Saudi's- have immigrants do all the 'dirty work'... A several thousand mile border that is hard to defend against starving people. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Defends Islam as Peaceful Religion
(snip) Even the most tolerant of Muslims know Buddhism is misguided atheistic evil. Its in the Koran. I very much doubt the Muslims have a reciprocal view of Mr. Lama. Perhaps it has to do with the difference in belief in what happens after death... The belief in reicarnation and karma Vs. The belief that it's a holy thing to murder yourself and others for the sake of some promise of sex with Madonna and many of her sisters, in Islamic Heaven?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Miss USA Falls Down for Second Year in a Row
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: Is there a cosmic significance as to why the Miss USA representative fell down during the Miss Universe beauty contest? I think there's a *comic* significance. Too Top Heavy? Greasy Heals? Drank too much the night before. Nervous? Who Knows? Butterfly wings in Japan? Maybe she made the ghastly mistake of chewing gum whilst walking to the podium. Let's take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxFznlt242s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: snip Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. (I think Robert meant to write won, not one.) Problem is, Robert, Obama campaigned for the primary on the claim that he was a *transformative* politician, not one who would do exactly what all the others have done. That's why so many people who supported him are now very pissed off. I did mean won, not one... Obama has already been transformative, in many ways, he has woken up the electorite, and given hope to the rest of the world, that the United States is changing it's facist tendencies. He is a politician, and is moving toward the 'center' in order to win the election. I am not sure who is pissed off at him, besides the people who were supporting Hillary, and the McCain people who are afraid of any change and are mostly racists.
[FairfieldLife] My Plan for Iraq by Barack Obama(NYT)
THE call by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki for a timetable for the removal of American troops from Iraq presents an enormous opportunity. We should seize this moment to begin the phased redeployment of combat troops that I have long advocated, and that is needed for long-term success in Iraq and the security interests of the United States. The differences on Iraq in this campaign are deep. Unlike Senator John McCain, I opposed the war in Iraq before it began, and would end it as president. I believed it was a grave mistake to allow ourselves to be distracted from the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban by invading a country that posed no imminent threat and had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. Since then, more than 4,000 Americans have died and we have spent nearly $1 trillion. Our military is overstretched. Nearly every threat we face — from Afghanistan to Al Qaeda to Iran — has grown. In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda — greatly weakening its effectiveness. But the same factors that led me to oppose the surge still hold true. The strain on our military has grown, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and we’ve spent nearly $200 billion more in Iraq than we had budgeted. Iraq’s leaders have failed to invest tens of billions of dollars in oil revenues in rebuilding their own country, and they have not reached the political accommodation that was the stated purpose of the surge. The good news is that Iraq’s leaders want to take responsibility for their country by negotiating a timetable for the removal of American troops. Meanwhile, Lt. Gen. James Dubik, the American officer in charge of training Iraq’s security forces, estimates that the Iraqi Army and police will be ready to assume responsibility for security in 2009. Only by redeploying our troops can we press the Iraqis to reach comprehensive political accommodation and achieve a successful transition to Iraqis’ taking responsibility for the security and stability of their country. Instead of seizing the moment and encouraging Iraqis to step up, the Bush administration and Senator McCain are refusing to embrace this transition — despite their previous commitments to respect the will of Iraq’s sovereign government. They call any timetable for the removal of American troops “surrender,” even though we would be turning Iraq over to a sovereign Iraqi government. But this is not a strategy for success — it is a strategy for staying that runs contrary to the will of the Iraqi people, the American people and the security interests of the United States. That is why, on my first day in office, I would give the military a new mission: ending this war. As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 — two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. That would not be a precipitous withdrawal. In carrying out this strategy, we would inevitably need to make tactical adjustments. As I have often said, I would consult with commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government to ensure that our troops were redeployed safely, and our interests protected. We would move them from secure areas first and volatile areas later. We would pursue a diplomatic offensive with every nation in the region on behalf of Iraq’s stability, and commit $2 billion to a new international effort to support Iraq’s refugees. Ending the war is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been. As Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently pointed out, we won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq. As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan. We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there. I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq. In this campaign, there are honest differences over Iraq, and we should discuss them with the thoroughness they deserve.
[FairfieldLife] 'The Final Days of Bush's Mafia'
The Real-Life ‘24’ of Summer 2008 writePost(); new_york_times:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/opinion/13rich.html if (acm.cc) acm.cc.write(); By FRANK RICH Published: July 13, 2008 WE know what a criminal White House looks like from “The Final Days,” Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein’s classic account of Richard Nixon’s unraveling. The cauldron of lies, paranoia and illegal surveillance boiled over, until it was finally every man for himself as desperate courtiers scrambled to save their reputations and, in a few patriotic instances, their country. if (acm.rc) acm.rc.write(); “The Final Days” was published in 1976, two years after Nixon abdicated in disgrace. With the Bush presidency, no journalist (or turncoat White House memoirist) is waiting for the corpse to be carted away. The latest and perhaps most chilling example arrives this week from Jane Mayer of The New Yorker, long a relentless journalist on the war-on-terror torture beat. Her book “The Dark Side” connects the dots of her own past reporting and that of her top-tier colleagues (including James Risen and Scott Shane of The New York Times) to portray a White House that, like its prototype, savaged its enemies within almost as ferociously as it did the Constitution. Some of “The Dark Side” seems right out of “The Final Days,” minus Nixon’s operatic boozing and weeping. We learn, for instance, that in 2004 two conservative Republican Justice Department officials had become “so paranoid” that “they actually thought they might be in physical danger.” The fear of being wiretapped by their own peers drove them to speak in code. The men were John Ashcroft’s deputy attorney general, James Comey, and an assistant attorney general, Jack Goldsmith. Their sin was to challenge the White House’s don, Dick Cheney, and his consigliere, his chief of staff David Addington, when they circumvented the Geneva Conventions to make torture the covert law of the land. Mr. Comey and Mr. Goldsmith failed to stop the “torture memos” and are long gone from the White House. But Vice President Cheney and Mr. Addington remain enabled by a president, attorney general (Michael Mukasey) and C.I.A. director (Michael Hayden) who won’t shut the door firmly on torture even now. Nixon parallels take us only so far, however. “The Dark Side” is scarier than “The Final Days” because these final days aren’t over yet and because the stakes are much higher. Watergate was all about a paranoid president’s narcissistic determination to cling to power at any cost. In Ms. Mayer’s portrayal of the Bush White House, the president is a secondary, even passive, figure, and the motives invoked by Mr. Cheney to restore Nixon-style executive powers are theoretically selfless. Possessed by the ticking-bomb scenarios of television’s “24,” all they want to do is protect America from further terrorist strikes. So what if they cut corners, the administration’s last defenders argue. While prissy lawyers insist on habeas corpus and court-issued wiretap warrants, the rest of us are being kept safe by the Cheney posse. But are we safe? As Al Qaeda and the Taliban surge this summer, that single question is even more urgent than the moral and legal issues attending torture. On those larger issues, the evidence is in, merely awaiting adjudication. Mr. Bush’s 2005 proclamation that “we do not torture” was long ago revealed as a lie. Antonio Taguba, the retired major general who investigated detainee abuse for the Army, concluded that “there is no longer any doubt” that “war crimes were committed.” Ms. Mayer uncovered another damning verdict: Red Cross investigators flatly told the C.I.A. last year that America was practicing torture and vulnerable to war-crimes charges. Top Bush hands are starting to get sweaty about where they left their fingerprints. Scapegoating the rotten apples at the bottom of the military’s barrel may not be a slam-dunk escape route from accountability anymore. No wonder the former Rumsfeld capo, Douglas Feith, is trying to discredit a damaging interview he gave to the British lawyer Philippe Sands for another recent and essential book on what happened, “Torture Team.” After Mr. Sands previewed his findings in the May issue of Vanity Fair, Mr. Feith protested he had been misquoted — apparently forgetting that Mr. Sands had taped the interview. Mr. Feith and Mr. Sands are scheduled to square off in a House hearing this Tuesday. So hot is the speculation that war-crimes trials will eventually follow in foreign or international courts that Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s former chief of staff, has publicly advised Mr. Feith, Mr. Addington and Alberto Gonzales, among others, to “never travel outside the U.S., except perhaps to Saudi Arabia and Israel.” But while we wait for the wheels of justice to grind slowly, there are immediate fears to tend. Ms. Mayer’s book helps cement the case that America’s use of torture has
[FairfieldLife] Obama would beat McCain 5 to 1 says poll.....
.in Britain. http://tinyurl.com/6y7rbu Which should give republicans an idea of how the rest of the world sees them.
[FairfieldLife] Yogic flying on the radio.
http://tinyurl.com/5aqchc Scroll down to Listen to Richard talk about yogic flying
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama would beat McCain 5 to 1 says poll.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .in Britain. http://tinyurl.com/6y7rbu Which should give republicans an idea of how the rest of the world sees them. And the Guardian and its readership are primarily leftist. In a similar but more broad-based poll by the Telegraph, a conservative paper with primarily conservative readers, Obama was the clear favorite not only in Britain but in France, Germany, and Italy as well. The only country polled in which McCain was popular was Russia. Across all five countries, Obama received 52% of the vote, and McCain only 15%. http://tinyurl.com/66del8 Also interesting in this poll was that only 27% of those polled felt that the US was a force for good in the world, whereas 43% felt that it was a force for evil. Similar polls in Spanish papers have shown Obama being favored overwhelmingly over McCain, 52-to-1 in one poll and 73-to-1 in another. Many editorials have commented that McCain reminds them of Franco. For obvious reasons, none of these polls mentioned has-been Hillary Clinton, but I did see one in a Spanish men's magazine that listed famous women leaders or first ladies around the world over the past few decades and asked the readers to list who they would most like to see naked. Carla Bruni-Sarkozy came in first, even though many of the readers commented that they had *already* seen her naked. Hillary was near the bottom of the list, behind Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: snip Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. (I think Robert meant to write won, not one.) Problem is, Robert, Obama campaigned for the primary on the claim that he was a *transformative* politician, not one who would do exactly what all the others have done. That's why so many people who supported him are now very pissed off. I did mean won, not one... Obama has already been transformative, in many ways, he has woken up the electorite, and given hope to the rest of the world, that the United States is changing it's facist tendencies. He is a politician, and is moving toward the 'center' in order to win the election. I am not sure who is pissed off at him, besides the people who were supporting Hillary, and the McCain people who are afraid of any change and are mostly racists. Didn't you read what I wrote? A lot of people who supported *Obama* are now very pissed off at him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: snip Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. (I think Robert meant to write won, not one.) Problem is, Robert, Obama campaigned for the primary on the claim that he was a *transformative* politician, not one who would do exactly what all the others have done. That's why so many people who supported him are now very pissed off. I did mean won, not one... Obama has already been transformative, in many ways, he has woken up the electorite, and given hope to the rest of the world, that the United States is changing it's facist tendencies. He is a politician, and is moving toward the 'center' in order to win the election. I am not sure who is pissed off at him, besides the people who were supporting Hillary, and the McCain people who are afraid of any change and are mostly racists. Didn't you read what I wrote? A lot of people who supported *Obama* are now very pissed off at him. Who are these people? A lot of people? And why do we have to put stars around *Obama* Is that sum subliminal thing your doing? What's up with your anger against Senator Obama. It's not his fault, he won. He got more votes. Same in the fall. He will win, because he will get more votes. So, whoever these people are, they will come along. You'll see. On flip-flopping, one time a reporter commented to Abraham Lincoln, saying: 'Mr. Lincoln, you've seemed to have changed your mind, many times the past 24 hours... At which, Lincoln replied: 'I don't think much of a man who thinks exactly the same today, as he did yesterday! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I'm back! And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. ROTFL! I've never made a fuss about a timeout. I was never *given* a timeout to make a fuss about. Barry has also claimed that I refused to take a timeout, even though (a) I've never been given one, and (b) there's no refusal option for timeouts. Barry lives a life of solipsistic fantasy because reality doesn't work quite the way he thinks it should. And, oh, if you want to see class, check out a few of Barry's posts ranting about my posting habits, based on the obsessive count he keeps of the number of my posts. Sick, and getting sicker by the day. Gee, Judy...I was talking about Shemp and Nabby and sparaig, all of whom have thrown tantrums over being tossed off for a week or more. No, you were talking about me. Remember, you claimed (as I pointed out) that I refused to be tossed off. Either you've been lying, or you're delusional. BTW, how about documenting the tantrums you claim these others threw? No? Gee, what a surprise. Did you somehow think I was talking about you? Must be a guilty conscience. And the lack of class thing, of course... :-) But now that you bring it up (I didn't) You *have* gone over the posting limit more than anyone here. That is documented, both before the enforced timeouts, and afterwards. And you have even *admitted* that you went over, Would have been pretty silly for me to deny it, don't you think? Not to mention that it would show a lack of class. and yet never once did you *voluntarily* take your well-deserved timeout. It would have been even sillier of me to do so, given that I never went over intentionally. I'd say that speaks to a certain lack of class, wouldn't you? No, I'd say lying about my having refused to take a timeout, when I was never given one to refuse, and when there's no such thing as refusing a timeout anyway, speaks to a very substantial lack of class. (Not to mention all the other lies that post was crammed with.) You really are the very *last* person on this forum to accuse anybody else of lacking class. If you had any class at all, you'd stop lying and apologize for all your hundreds of past lies. Your problem here is that you think *you're* the one who gets to determine who deserves a timeout. How's that workin' out for ya, Barry? A little frustrating that nobody else seems to agree with you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: snip Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. (I think Robert meant to write won, not one.) Problem is, Robert, Obama campaigned for the primary on the claim that he was a *transformative* politician, not one who would do exactly what all the others have done. That's why so many people who supported him are now very pissed off. I did mean won, not one... Obama has already been transformative, in many ways, he has woken up the electorite, and given hope to the rest of the world, that the United States is changing it's facist tendencies. He is a politician, and is moving toward the 'center' in order to win the election. I am not sure who is pissed off at him, besides the people who were supporting Hillary, and the McCain people who are afraid of any change and are mostly racists. Didn't you read what I wrote? A lot of people who supported *Obama* are now very pissed off at him. Who are these people? A lot of people? Yes. Take a look at some of the blogs that have been supporting Obama, such as DailyKos, for example. Take a look at the shift in the polling and approval numbers. Take a look at the decline in contributions to his campaign. And why do we have to put stars around *Obama* Is that sum subliminal thing your doing? The emphasis is because you suggested the people who were pissed off were either Hillary or McCain supporters, obviously. What's up with your anger against Senator Obama. I think he's a fraud, have thought so from the beginning. He isn't who he claims to be. It's not his fault, he won. He got more votes. Just barely, and then only depending on how you count them. And there are a lot of questions about how legitimately he won the caucuses. Same in the fall. He will win, because he will get more votes. So, whoever these people are, they will come along. You'll see. Remember, he isn't the nominee until the convention nominates him officially. He didn't win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination; he'll need superdelegates to make up the difference, and they get to change their minds at any time up to the convention. On flip-flopping, one time a reporter commented to Abraham Lincoln, saying: 'Mr. Lincoln, you've seemed to have changed your mind, many times the past 24 hours... At which, Lincoln replied: 'I don't think much of a man who thinks exactly the same today, as he did yesterday! Obama is no Lincoln. Not only has he changed his mind many times, he's lied about having done so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I'm back! And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. ROTFL! I've never made a fuss about a timeout. I was never *given* a timeout to make a fuss about. Barry has also claimed that I refused to take a timeout, even though (a) I've never been given one, and (b) there's no refusal option for timeouts. Barry lives a life of solipsistic fantasy because reality doesn't work quite the way he thinks it should. And, oh, if you want to see class, check out a few of Barry's posts ranting about my posting habits, based on the obsessive count he keeps of the number of my posts. Sick, and getting sicker by the day. Gee, Judy...I was talking about Shemp and Nabby and sparaig, all of whom have thrown tantrums over being tossed off for a week or more. No, you were talking about me. Remember, you claimed (as I pointed out) that I refused to be tossed off. Either you've been lying, or you're delusional. BTW, how about documenting the tantrums you claim these others threw? No? Gee, what a surprise. Did you somehow think I was talking about you? Must be a guilty conscience. And the lack of class thing, of course... :-) But now that you bring it up (I didn't) You *have* gone over the posting limit more than anyone here. That is documented, both before the enforced timeouts, and afterwards. And you have even *admitted* that you went over, Would have been pretty silly for me to deny it, don't you think? Not to mention that it would show a lack of class. That's never bothered you in the past. You're still trying to deny that you slandered Mel Gibson based on a movie you never saw. :-) and yet never once did you *voluntarily* take your well-deserved timeout. It would have been even sillier of me to do so, given that I never went over intentionally. Neither did Sal. But she had class. I'd say that speaks to a certain lack of class, wouldn't you? No, I'd say lying about my having refused to take a timeout, when I was never given one to refuse, and when there's no such thing as refusing a timeout anyway, speaks to a very substantial lack of class. (Not to mention all the other lies that post was crammed with.) You really are the very *last* person on this forum to accuse anybody else of lacking class. If you had any class at all, you'd stop lying and apologize for all your hundreds of past lies. Oh, no need to apologize. I don't feel victimized by attacks from people for whom I have no respect. -- Judy Stein, in an earlier posturing post :-) Your problem here is that you think *you're* the one who gets to determine who deserves a timeout. How's that workin' out for ya, Barry? A little frustrating that nobody else seems to agree with you? What Judy's really pissed off about is that I've put her consistent attempts to violate the posting limits and get away with it under scrutiny, so now she is less likely to get away with them. I don't even have to *bother* to count her posts any more, because now other people are. It IS interesting that above Judy exposes what she really wants (which others have pointed out for years). It's to force the people she doesn't like to apologize for having opinions she doesn't like. But then, what else would you expect from someone who believes that those who think for themselves exemplify the worst that spirituality has to offer and that those who demonize heretics exemplify the best that spirituality has to offer. She's just having flashbacks to her Inquisition incarnations. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
Here's my prediction, for what it's worth: Obama in a landslide. Hard to see how he could lose to McCain. I see a parallel to 1996, with McCain resembling the hopeless Bob Dole, the old guy who trailed the much smarter, younger Democrat (Clinton) throughout the campaign and lost resoundingly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: snip Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. (I think Robert meant to write won, not one.) Problem is, Robert, Obama campaigned for the primary on the claim that he was a *transformative* politician, not one who would do exactly what all the others have done. That's why so many people who supported him are now very pissed off. I did mean won, not one... Obama has already been transformative, in many ways, he has woken up the electorite, and given hope to the rest of the world, that the United States is changing it's facist tendencies. He is a politician, and is moving toward the 'center' in order to win the election. I am not sure who is pissed off at him, besides the people who were supporting Hillary, and the McCain people who are afraid of any change and are mostly racists. Didn't you read what I wrote? A lot of people who supported *Obama* are now very pissed off at him. Who are these people? A lot of people? Yes. Take a look at some of the blogs that have been supporting Obama, such as DailyKos, for example. Take a look at the shift in the polling and approval numbers. Take a look at the decline in contributions to his campaign. And why do we have to put stars around *Obama* Is that sum subliminal thing your doing? The emphasis is because you suggested the people who were pissed off were either Hillary or McCain supporters, obviously. What's up with your anger against Senator Obama. I think he's a fraud, have thought so from the beginning. He isn't who he claims to be. It's not his fault, he won. He got more votes. Just barely, and then only depending on how you count them. And there are a lot of questions about how legitimately he won the caucuses. Same in the fall. He will win, because he will get more votes. So, whoever these people are, they will come along. You'll see. Remember, he isn't the nominee until the convention nominates him officially. He didn't win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination; he'll need superdelegates to make up the difference, and they get to change their minds at any time up to the convention. On flip-flopping, one time a reporter commented to Abraham Lincoln, saying: 'Mr. Lincoln, you've seemed to have changed your mind, many times the past 24 hours... At which, Lincoln replied: 'I don't think much of a man who thinks exactly the same today, as he did yesterday! Obama is no Lincoln. Not only has he changed his mind many times, he's lied about having done so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It IS interesting that above Judy exposes what she really wants (which others have pointed out for years). It's to force the people she doesn't like to apologize for having opinions she doesn't like. But then, what else would you expect from someone who believes that those who think for themselves exemplify the worst that spirituality has to offer and that those who demonize heretics exemplify the best that spirituality has to offer. She's just having flashbacks to her Inquisition incarnations. :-) Anticipating the inevitable and unmistakable screech of the Judybot bird (Liar!), above I am referring to FFL post #183005, in which Judy was so desperate for a Gotta Trash Barry retort that she failed to realize what she was actually saying: -- Turq: Seems to me that the think for themselves group exemplifies the best that spirituality has to offer, while the gotta refute or demonize the heretics group exemplifies the worst that spirituality has to offer. And this forum gives me the opportunity to appreciate the former and laugh at the latter. Who could ask for more than that in an Internet chat forum? :-) - Judy: Turn that around, and you have the answer to your question as to why *we're* here. She DID say above that why she's here [on FFL, in context] is to appreciate the latter (those who feel that they've got to refute and demonize heretics) and laugh at the former (those who think for themselves), did she not? One would think that a professional editor would be more aware of what she is really saying when she fires off a zinger? She could possibly have just misspoken, carried away in the bliss of a Gotta Trash Barry moment. Then again, it's Judy...it may have been a rare moment of honesty. She DOES claim never to lie, after all... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I'm back! And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. ROTFL! I've never made a fuss about a timeout. I was never *given* a timeout to make a fuss about. Barry has also claimed that I refused to take a timeout, even though (a) I've never been given one, and (b) there's no refusal option for timeouts. Barry lives a life of solipsistic fantasy because reality doesn't work quite the way he thinks it should. And, oh, if you want to see class, check out a few of Barry's posts ranting about my posting habits, based on the obsessive count he keeps of the number of my posts. Sick, and getting sicker by the day. Gee, Judy...I was talking about Shemp and Nabby and sparaig, all of whom have thrown tantrums over being tossed off for a week or more. No, you were talking about me. Remember, you claimed (as I pointed out) that I refused to be tossed off. Either you've been lying, or you're delusional. BTW, how about documenting the tantrums you claim these others threw? No? Gee, what a surprise. Not. Did you somehow think I was talking about you? Must be a guilty conscience. And the lack of class thing, of course... :-) But now that you bring it up (I didn't) You *have* gone over the posting limit more than anyone here. That is documented, both before the enforced timeouts, and afterwards. And you have even *admitted* that you went over, Would have been pretty silly for me to deny it, don't you think? Not to mention that it would show a lack of class. That's never bothered you in the past. You're still trying to deny that you slandered Mel Gibson based on a movie you never saw. :-) (a) I didn't slander him unless he *isn't* a Christian bigot. (b) I never denied I called him a bigot. What I deny is your claim that I reviewed the movie without having seen it. and yet never once did you *voluntarily* take your well-deserved timeout. It would have been even sillier of me to do so, given that I never went over intentionally. Neither did Sal. But she had class. And was made to take a timeout, because now that Bhairitu is posting the numbers every day and we all understand how the system works, the only reason for going over is not paying attention, which isn't an excuse. Nor, of course, have I ever refused to take a timeout, contrary to your lie. snip You really are the very *last* person on this forum to accuse anybody else of lacking class. If you had any class at all, you'd stop lying and apologize for all your hundreds of past lies. Oh, no need to apologize. I don't feel victimized by attacks from people for whom I have no respect. -- Judy Stein, in an earlier posturing post :-) Non sequitur. I'm hardly the only person you've lied about. It's your modus operandi. You have no class even if I *did* feel victimized by your lies. (And the above was about attacks. It *is* possible to attack somebody without lying, except, apparently, for you.) Your problem here is that you think *you're* the one who gets to determine who deserves a timeout. How's that workin' out for ya, Barry? A little frustrating that nobody else seems to agree with you? What Judy's really pissed off about is that I've put her consistent attempts to violate the posting limits and get away with it under scrutiny, No, what you've done has been to lie, as you've just done again, by claiming that I've gone over intentionally. so now she is less likely to get away with them. I don't even have to *bother* to count her posts any more, because now other people are. You mean, because Bhairitu has created a much-needed software count that we can all depend on. But you're still counting my posts, just in case. It IS interesting that above Judy exposes what she really wants (which others have pointed out for years). It's to force the people she doesn't like to apologize for having opinions she doesn't like. Nope, more lies. (a) Barry consistently attempts to portray his lies as merely different opinions; (b) there's no way to force anybody to apologize for anything;
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It IS interesting that above Judy exposes what she really wants (which others have pointed out for years). It's to force the people she doesn't like to apologize for having opinions she doesn't like. But then, what else would you expect from someone who believes that those who think for themselves exemplify the worst that spirituality has to offer and that those who demonize heretics exemplify the best that spirituality has to offer. She's just having flashbacks to her Inquisition incarnations. :-) Anticipating the inevitable and unmistakable screech of the Judybot bird (Liar!), above I am referring to FFL post #183005, in which Judy was so desperate for a Gotta Trash Barry retort that she failed to realize what she was actually saying: -- Turq: Seems to me that the think for themselves group exemplifies the best that spirituality has to offer, while the gotta refute or demonize the heretics group exemplifies the worst that spirituality has to offer. And this forum gives me the opportunity to appreciate the former and laugh at the latter. Who could ask for more than that in an Internet chat forum? :-) - Judy: Turn that around, and you have the answer to your question as to why *we're* here. She DID say above that why she's here [on FFL, in context] is to appreciate the latter (those who feel that they've got to refute and demonize heretics) and laugh at the former (those who think for themselves), did she not? Uh, no. Obviously the folks who are the target of the laughter from this side are those who *believe* they exemplify the best that spirituality has to offer. That posturing is what we're laughing at; what we appreciate are the folks who see through the posturing. Clear now?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] and the McCain people who are afraid of any change and are mostly racists. [snip] ...anyone who would make a comment like that is, in my opinion, a racist themselves. By labelling your political opponents as racists you eliminate ANY possibility at rational dialogue. But wait. Obama supporters such as R.G. haven't been calling just McCain supporters racists, they've been doing a lot of that to Hillary supporters, too. I can think of one prominent Hillary supporter who is really hurting as a result of being called a racist during this campaign. His name is Bill Clinton. It is this kind of name-calling by Obama supporters like R.G. that is not so much pissing off Republicans as it is the kind of people who started The Denver Group that Judy alluded to. They are ROYALLY pissed off. So much so that they are taking the DNC rules to heart which not only allow pledged Obama delegates to switch votes at the convention (even ont he first ballot) but actually encourage it. Here is what the DNC says from their own website: Pledged delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot. A pledged delegate goes to the Convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that delegates will cast their votes for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required. Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to 'in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.' This provision is designed in part to make the Convention a deliberative body. There are about 300 websites at last count that are devoted to getting Hillary the nomination. Remember that Obama got most of his votes for the pledged delegates BEFORE the Rev. Wright revelations and BEFORE all the flip-flopping on core issues he has done. If you think Obama is going to get the nomination in a cake-walk on the first ballot, you have no idea what is coming down the pike. 18,000,000 pissed off Hillary supporters are NOT taking this lying down. (from: http://www.demconvention.com/delegate-voting )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama would beat McCain 5 to 1 says poll.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: .in Britain. http://tinyurl.com/6y7rbu Which should give republicans an idea of how the rest of the world sees them. And the Guardian and its readership are primarily leftist. In a similar but more broad-based poll by the Telegraph, a conservative paper with primarily conservative readers, Obama was the clear favorite not only in Britain but in France, Germany, and Italy as well. The only country polled in which McCain was popular was Russia. Across all five countries, Obama received 52% of the vote, and McCain only 15%. http://tinyurl.com/66del8 Also interesting in this poll was that only 27% of those polled felt that the US was a force for good in the world, whereas 43% felt that it was a force for evil. Similar polls in Spanish papers have shown Obama being favored overwhelmingly over McCain, 52-to-1 in one poll and 73-to-1 in another. Many editorials have commented that McCain reminds them of Franco. For obvious reasons, none of these polls mentioned has-been Hillary Clinton, but I did see one in a Spanish men's magazine that listed famous women leaders or first ladies around the world over the past few decades and asked the readers to list who they would most like to see naked. Carla Bruni-Sarkozy came in first, even though many of the readers commented that they had *already* seen her naked. Hillary was near the bottom of the list, behind Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir. One of the creepiest photographs I've ever seen in my life was one of Carla Bruni taken by Helmut Newton that appeared in, I think, Vanity Fair about 15 years ago (at about the time she was cavorting with Mick Jagger). It was of a topless Carla in a skimply bikini bottom standing beside...HER BROTHER. Now, perhaps this is a function of the fact that I only have brothers and no sisters and those that do can enlighten me...but in our Western culture, is it not inappropriate to be naked in that manner beside your own brother?
[FairfieldLife] New Yorker cover
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/yikes-controversial-emnew_n_11\ 2429.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The new Maharishi Song
On Jul 13, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new Maharishi Song? Link Bank Vault In Heaven Richard Thompson Got a bank vault in heaven, got my name on the door Every day I get richer, add a little bit more Come you tellers and lenders and lend me some more Got a bank vault in heaven and it's mine for evermore And the angels sing Fly, fly, fly The angels sing Fly, fly, fly Fly from the darkness that covers you all Fly to the sky where the only wall is infinity, infinity Going to shine down from heaven right into your room Take the minds of your children right off to the moon Every mud hut and igloo, every penthouse and farm I'll shine down from heaven and I'll do my snake-charm And the angels say Sing, sing, sing, Sing, sing, sing Oh the whole world is singing the same happy tune Something so low even hound dogs can croon to insanity, insanity Oh there's a signpost in heaven, in the firmament blue You can run to the wastelands, but it points straight at you I've got a bank vault in heaven, what joy will it bring All you Punchs and Judys, I'll be pulling your strings Richard Thompson, now yer talkin! Favourite song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF61W7SGNxUfeature=related Great fun to play, I often will play that for friends.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama would beat McCain 5 to 1 says poll.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For obvious reasons, none of these polls mentioned has-been Hillary Clinton, but I did see one in a Spanish men's magazine that listed famous women leaders or first ladies around the world over the past few decades and asked the readers to list who they would most like to see naked. Carla Bruni-Sarkozy came in first, even though many of the readers commented that they had *already* seen her naked. Hillary was near the bottom of the list, behind Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir. One of the creepiest photographs I've ever seen in my life was one of Carla Bruni taken by Helmut Newton that appeared in, I think, Vanity Fair about 15 years ago (at about the time she was cavorting with Mick Jagger). It was of a topless Carla in a skimply bikini bottom standing beside...HER BROTHER. Now, perhaps this is a function of the fact that I only have brothers and no sisters and those that do can enlighten me...but in our Western culture, is it not inappropriate to be naked in that manner beside your own brother? Hint: the creepiness you see in that photo is a projection of you being a creep. :-) And an American/Canadian. *Our* Western culture? Dude, women wear only a bikini bottom on most European *beaches*, much less at home, with their families. No, it is not inappropriate. Now if you want something inappropriate, here's a photo of France's first lady showing off her pussy: http://tinyurl.com/6hop82 :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Defends Islam as Peaceful Religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Even the most tolerant of Muslims know Buddhism is misguided atheistic evil. Its in the Koran. I very much doubt the Muslims have a reciprocal view of Mr. Lama. Perhaps it has to do with the difference in belief in what happens after death... The belief in reicarnation and karma Vs. The belief that it's a holy thing to murder yourself and others for the sake of some promise of sex with Madonna and many of her sisters, in Islamic Heaven? Deep view.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The new Maharishi Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 13, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The new Maharishi Song? Link Bank Vault In Heaven Richard Thompson Got a bank vault in heaven, got my name on the door Every day I get richer, add a little bit more Come you tellers and lenders and lend me some more Got a bank vault in heaven and it's mine for evermore And the angels sing Fly, fly, fly The angels sing Fly, fly, fly Fly from the darkness that covers you all Fly to the sky where the only wall is infinity, infinity Going to shine down from heaven right into your room Take the minds of your children right off to the moon Every mud hut and igloo, every penthouse and farm I'll shine down from heaven and I'll do my snake-charm And the angels say Sing, sing, sing, Sing, sing, sing Oh the whole world is singing the same happy tune Something so low even hound dogs can croon to insanity, insanity Oh there's a signpost in heaven, in the firmament blue You can run to the wastelands, but it points straight at you I've got a bank vault in heaven, what joy will it bring All you Punchs and Judys, I'll be pulling your strings Richard Thompson, now yer talkin! Favourite song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF61W7SGNxUfeature=related Great fun to play, I often will play that for friends. You can manage that? Vaj, there are clearly many strings to your bow. Here's another fave guitar track of mine. Bert Jansch playing Anji off his first album: http://tinyurl.com/6324dm Sounds like he's got nine fingers on each hand to me. The album's available as a double with his third album Jack Orion, dark English folk at it's best. Recommended.
[FairfieldLife] Who really runs the world (was Re: U.S. Immigration)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You people are so...so...nineteenth century. You still think in terms of countries, as if they were important and were running the planet. It's a corporate planet, and has been for some time. Of the top 150 economic entities on the planet by GDP, two thirds of them are *companies*, not countries: http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0220-roundtable.html I KNOW. We should nationalize all those profit sucking monsters and then we will be happy because the mother of all, the fountain of all wealth and happiness, the government, will be ALL. Dick Cheney and the congress could be running EVERYTHING. Ah, Paradise! On the other, pure capitalism is not the answer either. So the answer is not something that was attempted in the 18th century. I am sure you have a point in there somewhere. There should be an economic system that allows the people to take care of their economic needs and their spiritual well being. Dream on. There is only one rule among the two thirds of the economic entities on this planet, and that is profit. And all those pesky other things necessary to make a profit: identifying needs and filling them more efficiently than others. Damn that Apple, creating that I-phone JUST to make a profit. DAmn that Intel and AMD for making faster and more powerful CPU's! Damn those memory makers who have driven the price of 4 GIG of RAM into chump change. Damn people who wake up in the morning and who want to make money! The corporations make their own rules, they make their own laws (in Iraq, Blackwater employees can now not be prosecuted for crimes that are still illegal for Iraqis and U.S. soldiers, including murder), and they do not answer to voters, only to their bottom line and the shareholders. Yes! And since thats what Blackwell does, I am sure its what EVERY corporation does. Again, nationalize all of the F**kers and let our blessed benevolent Cheney and Congress and giude us with wisdom, insight and benevolence, And, as evidenced by the history of the United States in the last few years, many of the 1/3 of countries do the bidding of the corporations, not vice-versa. yes -- private companies should ONY do what the government tells them. Nothing more. Nothing less. Congress is way smarter and efficient that a bunch of scum who produce stuff. How slimy is THAT. producing stuff that people want to buy. Immigration, schmimigration. That's just where you live. Wherever you do, chances are you work -- directly or indirectly -- for one of the real powers on the planet. WAKE UP, people...you are living in the past. Yes! Thank you for revealing the =golden path to the future. And when capitalism is dead, and ALL those filthy pig capitalists are dead, then Turq, Nab and Burut can provide guidance in an enlightened sort of way. Can't Wait!! It's no longer a world run by countries. It's a multi- national corporate world in which countries are quickly becoming irrelevant. They have their own armies and they make and fight their own wars. The corporate-run world of the future, portrayed in fiction by William Gibson and TV series like Charlie Jade and movies like War, Inc., is NOT a thing of the future. It's here now. I KNOW! I get all of my information on how bad things are from TV dramas. Reading stuff just sucks you into the what THEY want you to think!
[FairfieldLife] Guitarists (was Re: The new Maharishi Song)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Richard Thompson, now yer talkin! Favourite song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF61W7SGNxUfeature=related Great fun to play, I often will play that for friends. You can manage that? Vaj, there are clearly many strings to your bow. Here's another fave guitar track of mine. Bert Jansch playing Anji off his first album: http://tinyurl.com/6324dm Sounds like he's got nine fingers on each hand to me. The album's available as a double with his third album Jack Orion, dark English folk at it's best. Recommended. I used to love Bert Jansch. What ever happened to him? John Renbourne is still around and touring, but I never hear of Bert Jansch. I tried to learn to play Angie once. Sprained my brain and learned my limitations. :-) BTW, if you like folky fingerpicking and songs that tempt you to try to learn them, here are a couple from Bruce Cockburn, plus a couple more of him just having fun: Foxglove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCBY9Fb8YGo Jerusalem Poker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX6A80bVolI Jammin' with Ric Emmett: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyk9AT6f_tE Jammin' with Ali Farka Toure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjWbqTbeZK4
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Yorker cover
The cover is obviously intended to be satirical; it's mocking the folks (probably none of them readers of The New Yorker) who believe all kinds of nutty things about Obama. I have two problems with it. First, it's not very well done artistically. Second, and much more important, the controversy it's creating distracts attention from the excellent article inside the magazine by Ryan Lizza on Obama's Chicago political history, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Obama-is-a-Muslim-type rumors. Two completely different topics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/yikes-controversial- emnew_n_11\ 2429.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet we do next to nothing to require research on safety and effectiveness. And there is no standards of purity or strength. The supplement and herb industry will agree with you. They want standards too. They just don't want to give it over the pharmaceutical companies who will do a pull the ladder up to keep them out of the game. I think the supplement industry isn't very interested in doing the research necessary to prove safety and effectiveness. It costs a lot to do drug trials. Plus, there are no patents and thus no monopolies available on things like cinnamon, cumin, licorice, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Guitarists (was Re: The new Maharishi Song)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Richard Thompson, now yer talkin! Favourite song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF61W7SGNxUfeature=related Great fun to play, I often will play that for friends. You can manage that? Vaj, there are clearly many strings to your bow. Here's another fave guitar track of mine. Bert Jansch playing Anji off his first album: http://tinyurl.com/6324dm Sounds like he's got nine fingers on each hand to me. The album's available as a double with his third album Jack Orion, dark English folk at it's best. Recommended. I used to love Bert Jansch. What ever happened to him? John Renbourne is still around and touring, but I never hear of Bert Jansch. I tried to learn to play Angie once. Sprained my brain and learned my limitations. :-) As far as I know Bert is still on the road playing the clubs and releasing the occasional album. I saw John Renbourne with Jaqcui O Shea at the local folk club, they've still got it. They didn't attempt Light Flight, but it's always worth hearing again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9gCN9-Jnfg BTW, if you like folky fingerpicking and songs that tempt you to try to learn them, here are a couple from Bruce Cockburn, plus a couple more of him just having fun: They do tempt me to try but I aint no guitarist I'm afraid :-( Foxglove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCBY9Fb8YGo Jerusalem Poker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX6A80bVolI Jammin' with Ric Emmett: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyk9AT6f_tE Jammin' with Ali Farka Toure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjWbqTbeZK4 Loved Bruce for a long time but the last album of his I bought was World of Wonders, a long time ago. And I'm well into Ali FT at the moment, good to see them together. I got side tracked, as one so often does, in the Bruce Cockburn list and found some old faves: Cool version of WoW from the Timbuktu trip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX5So6zRjtMfeature=related Great song, great sentiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4CdHd9ma4feature=related It's breaking the guitarist on his own vibe, but I had to have a bit of John McLaughlin on here, he's awesome but the stuff I like is not so well represented on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB95clOd6v0feature=related I saw him on this tour, excellent stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Who really runs the world (was Re: U.S. Immigration)
TurquoiseB wrote: WAKE UP, people...you are living in the past. It's no longer a world run by countries. It's a multi- national corporate world in which countries are quickly becoming irrelevant. They have their own armies and they make and fight their own wars. The corporate-run world of the future, portrayed in fiction by William Gibson and TV series like Charlie Jade and movies like War, Inc., is NOT a thing of the future. It's here now. Yup, I've been saying that for some time too. And it's an ugly world run by the third rung merchant caste. ;-) But these things go in cycles so the sudras will rule next then back to the brahmans. :D Don't forget Blade Runner' as a corporate world as well as Outland and Alien. I also criticized the fact that when software companies go public they produce stockholder-ware and the customer falls by the wayside. Best thing to do? Deprogram everyone of all the programming they had down through the centuries. Now that would be enlightenment! :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet we do next to nothing to require research on safety and effectiveness. And there is no standards of purity or strength. The supplement and herb industry will agree with you. They want standards too. They just don't want to give it over the pharmaceutical companies who will do a pull the ladder up to keep them out of the game. I think the supplement industry isn't very interested in doing the research necessary to prove safety and effectiveness. It costs a lot to do drug trials. Plus, there are no patents and thus no monopolies available on things like cinnamon, cumin, licorice, etc. What the owners of one company told me is they would like to be sure the herbs they are buying are the real thing. Certified. This was a firm in India. A professor of ayurvedic medicine at Benares Hindu University told me that a lot of the remedies out the aren't quite what they're suppose to be, just a little bit of this and and little bit of that. They had to take the placards off the plants in their ayurvedic gardens because people would come in and steal planets. Yup, ain't capitalism grand. Money is God.
Re: [FairfieldLife] New member
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[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. I'm not sure about more likely I lean towards the idea that yogic flying is some sort of brain/body togetherness that lets you tap into hidden energy. The only reason I'd go that far is because I could always do it without getting out of breath, but am we kidding ourselves? It would be piss easy to demonstrate but I don't remember reading it had been done. It doesn't matter how far you fly but whether you travel in a parabolic curve, in ten years I never saw anyone even remotely break the laws governing bodies moving through the air. I saw some who had perfected the hop to the point of physical poetry. Surely after thirty years they, at least, would be airborne. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. I don't know if anyone listened to the radio clip about yogic flying I posted earlier but it's interesting for a few reasons: it doesn't mention the ME and it doesn't claim that yogic flying is the first stage of levitation. I think that is the best you can say about it at the moment. I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe. Unfortunately, since you gave up your practise of TMSP long ago. Your laws of physics are in for a surprise. And the TMO has the infrastructure to take care of this, thank you very much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
snip Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. And then goes on to give impossible specifics. Walk off 10 yards Judy, you've been in a flying room or two, sound likely? Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, MORE likely? that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. Judy this response is out of touch with your usual wait and see openminedness and becomes another belief without any evidence. Claiming that hopping is the first stage of flying is intellectually bankrupt and I believe that you know it. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. This is unfair. Since they have given demonstrations of yogic flying to the public everyone has a right to weigh in on the physical claims. Your point may apply to how a person feels as they fly, but the obvious lack of anything that is more than hopping is obvious. Her explanation is a fair estimation of why people might get together and do something so silly. If she has missed the inner experience you feel that doesn't invalidate the point that people are claiming the first stage of flying, not getting together and feeling blissful from their technique. Yogic flying. And no matter what you feel inside, that is not happening and you also know that. When we see movies of the cargo cult worshiping airplanes, do we really need to be a member of the tribe to have a good idea what is going on?
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. I've certainly experienced what was called yogic flying. The first time was in Seelisberg before foam mats were involved. We all sat in chairs. Within a few weeks, we we're on floors and a few weeks after that the foam came in. After that I was on many flying courses. It was also a part of our daily routine back at National in Pacific Palisades. Never did I feel that the laws of gravity were being challenged. Possible Kundalini energy and a lot of group energy? Yes. If yogic flying as defined by the TMO and MMY is the beginning stage of flying why not put the flyer on a scale and see if he/she gets lighter in the moments before flying? The answer is that nothing happens any differently than if someone tried to lift off without using a sutra and simply hopped. Not mention that we've now been in the beginning stages for over 30 years..
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. Judy as always; this penetrating intellect so badly needed in this wanting world. You should duplicate yourself !
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. I must admit that I do not understand your stand Ruth. I have jumped a lousy 10 yards in one go and have seen a few others do the same. Why is that a problem for you ? Because you think and/or is conditioned to believe that gravity is an absolute measure ? Oh please ! Even Buddhists levitate, Christianity is full of it !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
Who do you think will be the Democratic VP nominee ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: snip Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. (I think Robert meant to write won, not one.) Problem is, Robert, Obama campaigned for the primary on the claim that he was a *transformative* politician, not one who would do exactly what all the others have done. That's why so many people who supported him are now very pissed off. I did mean won, not one... Obama has already been transformative, in many ways, he has woken up the electorite, and given hope to the rest of the world, that the United States is changing it's facist tendencies. He is a politician, and is moving toward the 'center' in order to win the election. I am not sure who is pissed off at him, besides the people who were supporting Hillary, and the McCain people who are afraid of any change and are mostly racists. Didn't you read what I wrote? A lot of people who supported *Obama* are now very pissed off at him. Who are these people? A lot of people? Yes. Take a look at some of the blogs that have been supporting Obama, such as DailyKos, for example. Take a look at the shift in the polling and approval numbers. Take a look at the decline in contributions to his campaign. And why do we have to put stars around *Obama* Is that sum subliminal thing your doing? The emphasis is because you suggested the people who were pissed off were either Hillary or McCain supporters, obviously. What's up with your anger against Senator Obama. I think he's a fraud, have thought so from the beginning. He isn't who he claims to be. It's not his fault, he won. He got more votes. Just barely, and then only depending on how you count them. And there are a lot of questions about how legitimately he won the caucuses. Same in the fall. He will win, because he will get more votes. So, whoever these people are, they will come along. You'll see. Remember, he isn't the nominee until the convention nominates him officially. He didn't win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination; he'll need superdelegates to make up the difference, and they get to change their minds at any time up to the convention. On flip-flopping, one time a reporter commented to Abraham Lincoln, saying: 'Mr. Lincoln, you've seemed to have changed your mind, many times the past 24 hours... At which, Lincoln replied: 'I don't think much of a man who thinks exactly the same today, as he did yesterday! Obama is no Lincoln. Not only has he changed his mind many times, he's lied about having done so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama would beat McCain 5 to 1 says poll.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, perhaps this is a function of the fact that I only have brothers and no sisters and those that do can enlighten me...but in our Western culture, is it not inappropriate to be naked in that manner beside your own brother? An american president is evicted because he played around with cigars and young girls. Mitterand had two families and has become a french icon. Which culture is more cultured ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
Christianity is full of it ! I think we may have found some common ground Nabby. How long is the longest long jump ever? The current record stands at 8.95 meters or 29 feet 4 1/2 inches set by Mike Powell of the USA at the World Championships in Tokyo, Japan on August 30 1991. I guess you beat the wold record distance that a specialist running full tilt could jump, huh Nabby? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. I must admit that I do not understand your stand Ruth. I have jumped a lousy 10 yards in one go and have seen a few others do the same. Why is that a problem for you ? Because you think and/or is conditioned to believe that gravity is an absolute measure ? Oh please ! Even Buddhists levitate, Christianity is full of it !
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe. Unfortunately, since you gave up your practise of TMSP long ago. Your laws of physics are in for a surprise. And the TMO has the infrastructure to take care of this, thank you very much. Bring it on Nabster, the world is waiting. I only quit the TMSP a year ago due to the fact it made me feel crap and spaced out, like it does so many others. But I really would *love* it if someone in the TMO ever levitates, what vindication for MMY and the TMSP! When is the surprise coming? Soon, do you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. Oh, please, Judy, more of the you're not qualified to make observations because you don't have the same experience I do, nonsense. I've experienced yogic flying hundreds of times, and can say Ruth's observations are right on. It's New-Age bunk. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
On Jul 14, 2008, at 12:02 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: When we see movies of the cargo cult worshiping airplanes, do we really need to be a member of the tribe to have a good idea what is going on? Or, as my dad used to say, I don't need to try hanging to know I probably wouldn't like it very much. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christianity is full of it ! I think we may have found some common ground Nabby. How long is the longest long jump ever? The current record stands at 8.95 meters or 29 feet 4 1/2 inches set by Mike Powell of the USA at the World Championships in Tokyo, Japan on August 30 1991. I guess you beat the wold record distance that a specialist running full tilt could jump, huh Nabby? No, they use muscles only though 8 yards/meters is roughly the same distance. Sidhas move through nature, not muscles. And Sidhas start from a sitting position. You know, some athletes might be proud to win the 100 meter hurdle, and rightly so in their small world. Not knowing that they are applauded by Sidhas that did the same feat in a fraction of a second. I applaud anyone wanting to go beyond the mundane. I do not applaud fellows like curtis who only applaud the wellknown and mundane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe. Unfortunately, since you gave up your practise of TMSP long ago. Your laws of physics are in for a surprise. And the TMO has the infrastructure to take care of this, thank you very much. Bring it on Nabster, the world is waiting. I only quit the TMSP a year ago due to the fact it made me feel crap and spaced out What's wrong with feeling crap and spaced out ? Don't cling to the old models.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. I'm not sure about more likely I lean towards the idea that yogic flying is some sort of brain/body togetherness that lets you tap into hidden energy. The only reason I'd go that far is because I could always do it without getting out of breath, but am we kidding ourselves? It would be piss easy to demonstrate but I don't remember reading it had been done. It doesn't matter how far you fly but whether you travel in a parabolic curve, in ten years I never saw anyone even remotely break the laws governing bodies moving through the air. I saw some who had perfected the hop to the point of physical poetry. Surely after thirty years they, at least, would be airborne. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. I don't know if anyone listened to the radio clip about yogic flying I posted earlier but it's interesting for a few reasons: it doesn't mention the ME and it doesn't claim that yogic flying is the first stage of levitation. I think that is the best you can say about it at the moment. I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe. So, I am still unclear as to whether anyone believes that N. can hop 10 yards. Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues I guess you beat the wold record distance that a specialist running full tilt could jump, huh Nabby? What is this you call music ? These recordings you put on here at FFL ? Made by someone who sounds like the begger with a guitar on the street corner ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , John jr_esq@ wrote: This is because the US is a land where hard work is rewarded with wealth and prosperity. I believe the US government is screening for those type of people who believe in this dream to become citizens. Unfortunately, there are American citizens born in this country who do not appreciate the opportunity that is available in the US. Thus, they waste their time in unemployment and homelessness. The US jyotish chart shows that this country is not for the lazy or those without dreams of a better life. Bullshit. People in the US are very lazy. They are fat and drive 30 yards to get the gorceries. They are among the laziest people in the world. America is a union of countries with more than 300 million population. Per capita, almost any developed country in Europes has more immigration than US. Scotland alone has more per capita immigration than the States. Take Europe as a whole and it is much more. OffWorld IMO, the work schedule in the US at typically 40 hours per week is hard work for most people in the world. ROTFLMAO ! Many of the people in the world, particularly the underdeveloped countries, don't even have any jobs and are unemployed. Are you serious? ! Lol ! As such, the standard of living is fairly low compared to the developed countries. If you talk to a recent immigrant who is working here in the US, he will tell you that he did not expect work life here would be so difficult. I am a recent immigrant and its no harder than anywhere else - although I am not making as much money as back home, but America is more fun in other ways (not more money, and not more work.) But since he is making more money than the old country, he is contented to stay here until he earns enough money to go home, or retire in this country or elsewhere. Many Americans cannot afford to retire in this country. I can. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. I'm not sure about more likely I was correcting Ruth's notion of what TBs believe. I lean towards the idea that yogic flying is some sort of brain/body togetherness that lets you tap into hidden energy. I'd buy that as one possible explanation. I don't know *what* the hell it is, but it's not just a case of mass suggestion, people just doing ordinary hopping and thinking it's something else, as Ruth seems to believe. The only reason I'd go that far is because I could always do it without getting out of breath, And by oneself. And there's what they call the impulse, which has always been very strong for me. And other distinctly altered-state experiences. but am we kidding ourselves? It would be piss easy to demonstrate but I don't remember reading it had been done. It doesn't matter how far you fly but whether you travel in a parabolic curve, in ten years I never saw anyone even remotely break the laws governing bodies moving through the air. I saw some who had perfected the hop to the point of physical poetry. Surely after thirty years they, at least, would be airborne. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. I don't know if anyone listened to the radio clip about yogic flying I posted earlier but it's interesting for a few reasons: it doesn't mention the ME and it doesn't claim that yogic flying is the first stage of levitation. I think that is the best you can say about it at the moment. I haven't listened to it. What do they say about it, if not that it's the first stage of levitation, or that it generates the ME? I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Miss USA Falls Down for Second Year in a Row
In jyotish, Venus represents beauty, the arts, and sexualtiy among other significations. In politics, Venus can represent image and diplomacy among other representatives or countries. By derivation, we have seen the significator of the USA fail to stand up among the parade of other representatives of countries in the world. So, it appears that the pageant event is a microcosm of what is happening in the world political scene. Due to the US mistake in properly handling the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US has become a laughing stock of the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: Is there a cosmic significance as to why the Miss USA representative fell down during the Miss Universe beauty contest? I think there's a *comic* significance. Too Top Heavy? Greasy Heals? Drank too much the night before. Nervous? Who Knows? Butterfly wings in Japan? Maybe she made the ghastly mistake of chewing gum whilst walking to the podium. Let's take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxFznlt242s
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues I guess you beat the wold record distance that a specialist running full tilt could jump, huh Nabby? What is this you call music ? These recordings you put on here at FFL ? Made by someone who sounds like the begger with a guitar on the street corner ? Nabby, you think that insulting Curtis' music is a response to his skepticism about your extraordinary claims that anyone here is going to respect? Most of us spent thousands of hours in flying halls over decades of practice. I know a few people who claim to have witnessed or demonstrated levitation, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and there has even been any ordinary proof.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure about more likely I lean towards the idea that yogic flying is some sort of brain/body togetherness that lets you tap into hidden energy. The only reason I'd go that far is because I could always do it without getting out of breath, but am we kidding ourselves? It would be piss easy to demonstrate but I don't remember reading it had been done. I think yogic flying involves energy moving through certain subtle channels in an upward motion, but I don't think it's necessarily involves brain/body togetherness, nor is it spiritual, nor will it ever lead to levitation. Whether that energy flow is even good for you or not I think varies from person to person. For me it was awful for both my subtle and gross body, and I've had that confirmed by every good healer I've seen the past 10 yrs. If you practice any athletic skill long enough you develop better mind/body connections to do that skill along with supportive energy flows as well. If you look at the group of people who have been yogic flying for 30 yrs now, they may do the hopping thing better than the average person and with less breath needed, but they certainly aren't doing anything physically supernormal in the least and if you examine their mental and physical health you won't find any superiority either and in many cases they will be worse off because that particular surge of subtle energy day after day is not good for many people. A big awakening for me is when I stopped yogic flying and replaced it with walking/pranayam at sunrise and sunset - wow, what a relief for both my mind and body. It doesn't matter how far you fly but whether you travel in a parabolic curve, in ten years I never saw anyone even remotely break the laws governing bodies moving through the air. I saw some who had perfected the hop to the point of physical poetry. Surely after thirty years they, at least, would be airborne. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. I don't know if anyone listened to the radio clip about yogic flying I posted earlier but it's interesting for a few reasons: it doesn't mention the ME and it doesn't claim that yogic flying is the first stage of levitation. I think that is the best you can say about it at the moment. I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: for all the faults of the U.S. the immigration actions of millions show that it is one of the most desired countries to live in from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than any other country in the world.[1] In 2006, the number of immigrants totaled 37.5 million.[2][3] ...and add to that an estimated population of ILLEGAL immigrants anywhere from 12-25 million and that's one impression total. Indeed, I would say that the illegal immigrant number makes Betty's point even better: they risk a hell of a lot to get here, sometimes their lives. There are more illegal immigrants to Europe than to the US, and there also more legal immagrants to Europe than to the US. You Americans are living in cloud-cuckoo land. Totally isolated and naive about the world. Meanwhile many Americans cannot afford to retire in the US, and many more are emmigrating to Europe, Japan, China, etc, while they can. You Veterans have to beg to survive here. Disgusting. US is dying. If Obama does not get in, most of the blue states will likely make moves to secede from the nation. OffWorld
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet So, I am still unclear as to whether anyone believes that N. can hop 10 yards. Anyone? I believe levitation is possible, that many have done it throughout history, and even that some in the TMO may have done it. Of course, none of us can prove Nabby hasn't done it, but he can't prove he has. I doubt he has. Maybe he can elaborate. Did anyone see him hop 10 yards? Give us some details Nabby.
[FairfieldLife] Who really runs the world (was Re: U.S. Immigration)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I agree that there should be some help for the people involved. But the people should take the initiative to find other opportunities when their current jobs are at a dead end. There's a reason why some jobs are being outsourced to other countries. That's because it's more efficient to do so. For whom? You people are so...so...nineteenth century. You still think in terms of countries, as if they were important and were running the planet. It's a corporate planet, and has been for some time. Of the top 150 economic entities on the planet by GDP, two thirds of them are *companies*, not countries: http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0220-roundtable.html http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0220-roundtable.html On the other, pure capitalism is not the answer either. There should be an economic system that allows the people to take care of their economic needs and their spiritual well being. Dream on. There is only one rule among the two thirds of the economic entities on this planet, and that is profit. They all think like Shemp. (Isn't THAT a scary thought?) The corporations make their own rules, they make their own laws (in Iraq, Blackwater employees can now not be prosecuted for crimes that are still illegal for Iraqis and U.S. soldiers, including murder), and they do not answer to voters, only to their bottom line and the shareholders. And, as evidenced by the history of the United States in the last few years, many of the 1/3 of countries do the bidding of the corporations, not vice-versa. Immigration, schmimigration. That's just where you live. Wherever you do, chances are you work -- directly or indirectly -- for one of the real powers on the planet. WAKE UP, people...you are living in the past. It's no longer a world run by countries. It's a multi- national corporate world in which countries are quickly becoming irrelevant. They have their own armies and they make and fight their own wars. The corporate-run world of the future, portrayed in fiction by William Gibson and TV series like Charlie Jade and movies like War, Inc., is NOT a thing of the future. It's here now. I totally agree with Turq. (and that's a first !) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
snip How long is the longest long jump ever? The current record stands at 8.95 meters or 29 feet 4 1/2 inches set by Mike Powell of the USA at the World Championships in Tokyo, Japan on August 30 1991. I guess you beat the wold record distance that a specialist running full tilt could jump, huh Nabby? No, they use muscles only though 8 yards/meters is roughly the same distance. Sidhas move through nature, not muscles. And Sidhas start from a sitting position. Even the movement doesn't continue to claim this Nabby. Sidhas hop with their muscles. Most people here have done it for years so why try to spin yarns to us? You know, some athletes might be proud to win the 100 meter hurdle, and rightly so in their small world. Not knowing that they are applauded by Sidhas that did the same feat in a fraction of a second. Not another fantastic claim! You are on a roll today. So let me get this one straight... sidhas have traveled 110 meter hurdle courses in a fraction of a second? Not in ancient times but today so they could clap at the guys who actually run this race? You are definitely Fucking with us Nabby. I gotta tell you that there is hardly a sidha in the movement who could finish such a course in any amount of time. I applaud anyone wanting to go beyond the mundane. I do not applaud fellows like curtis who only applaud the wellknown and mundane. Well I do applaud your yarn spinning Nabby which was far from well known or mundane. The thing is that you don't serve your cause by telling tall tales, it discredits any good research that is being done. This was Maharishi's downfall also, grandiosity. It wasn't enough for him to contribute a useful meditation technique in a form palatable to Westerners, he had to pretend to be the king of the whole world in his own fantasy land. Spinning yarns is not a virtue and calling bullshit when it is obvious shows respect to those who actually do great things in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I am still unclear as to whether anyone believes that N. can hop 10 yards. Anyone? I believe it. Of course he can hop 10 yards. Anyone can. You just start by sitting comfortably in a cross-legged position on the edge of a three- story building, and then just hop. But don't try this at home until the TMO announces the landing siddhi course. I'm sure it'll be coming out Real Soon Now. As Douglas Adams said in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, All it takes to fly is to hurl yourself at the ground... and miss.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet So, I am still unclear as to whether anyone believes that N. can hop 10 yards. Anyone? I believe levitation is possible, that many have done it throughout history, and even that some in the TMO may have done it. Of course, none of us can prove Nabby hasn't done it, but he can't prove he has. I doubt he has. Maybe he can elaborate. Did anyone see him hop 10 yards? Give us some details Nabby. Thanks for stepping up and being upfront about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with feeling crap and spaced out ? Don't cling to the old models. I wouldn't blame you for not answering me as I called into question your veracity regarding the 10 yard hops, but do you feel like crap and spaced out much of the time?
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues I guess you beat the wold record distance that a specialist running full tilt could jump, huh Nabby? What is this you call music ? These recordings you put on here at FFL ? Made by someone who sounds like the begger with a guitar on the street corner ? Your petty coat is showing Nabby. So if I doubt your claim that you have done a magical thing then you will try to criticize my music? Are you trying to get back at me Nabby? Did I hurt your feelings that I don't believe that you are a magical person who does magical things? Nabby if you even listened to my music I can only thank you for taking the time. If you don't dig it, that's cool too, at least you gave it a chance.
[FairfieldLife] Who really runs the world (was Re: U.S. Immigration)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You people are so...so...nineteenth century. You still think in terms of countries, as if they were important and were running the planet. It's a corporate planet, and has been for some time. Of the top 150 economic entities on the planet by GDP, two thirds of them are *companies*, not countries: http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0220-roundtable.html http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0220-roundtable.html I KNOW. We should nationalize all those profit sucking monsters and then we will be happy because the mother of all, the fountain of all wealth and happiness, the government, will be ALL. Dick Cheney and the congress could be running EVERYTHING. Ah, Paradise! Lol, Dick Cheney IS corporate greed incarnate idiot! He has made more money from the Iraq war than he ever made in his life ! And all those pesky other things necessary to make a profit: ROTFLMAO ! ! What profit you idiot ! Your airlines and banks are going bankrupt and your country is in debt up to your eyeballs to the Chinese ! All you've done is print illegal monay and now its come back to bite you in the ass. Europeans are buying up America as we speak. Yes! And since thats what Blackwell does, I am sure its what EVERY corporation does. Don't you mean BLACKWATER? - - largest private mercenary company in the world, and does Dick Cheney's bidding ! Again, nationalize all of the F**kers and let our blessed benevolent Cheney and Congress and giude us with wisdom, insight and benevolence, yes -- private companies should ONLY do what the government tells them. They already do you moron ! The Fed controls them and the profits ultimately go to the War Machine. Yes! Thank you for revealing the =golden path to the future. And when capitalism is dead, Capitalism has NEVER existed in America you idiot ! Its always been controlloed for the benifit of the rich. USA was built on the virtual annihilation of one race and the slavery of another (right up until the 1970's and beyond) Now the gap between rich and poor in America is WORSE than ever, the US owes more money that it can ever generate legally, and Europeans and others are literally buying the best parts of America as we speak. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , John jr_esq@ wrote: This is because the US is a land where hard work is rewarded with wealth and prosperity. I believe the US government is screening for those type of people who believe in this dream to become citizens. Unfortunately, there are American citizens born in this country who do not appreciate the opportunity that is available in the US. Thus, they waste their time in unemployment and homelessness. The US jyotish chart shows that this country is not for the lazy or those without dreams of a better life. Bullshit. People in the US are very lazy. They are fat and drive 30 yards to get the gorceries. They are among the laziest people in the world. America is a union of countries with more than 300 million population. Per capita, almost any developed country in Europes has more immigration than US. Scotland alone has more per capita immigration than the States. Take Europe as a whole and it is much more. OffWorld IMO, the work schedule in the US at typically 40 hours per week is hard work for most people in the world. ROTFLMAO ! You forget that there are other organizations like Microsoft that require workers to work longer than 40 hours per week. Multiply that over one year and beyond. You have an incredibly brutal schedule toward a heart attack at the very least. Many of the people in the world, particularly the underdeveloped countries, don't even have any jobs and are unemployed. Are you serious? ! Lol ! As such, the standard of living is fairly low compared to the developed countries. If you talk to a recent immigrant who is working here in the US, he will tell you that he did not expect work life here would be so difficult. I am a recent immigrant and its no harder than anywhere else - although I am not making as much money as back home, but America is more fun in other ways (not more money, and not more work.) Many countries in Europe like France and Italy have a shorter work week with longer vacations, at least four to six weeks. I don't know the equivalent data regarding Japan, India or countries in Africa. But since he is making more money than the old country, he is contented to stay here until he earns enough money to go home, or retire in this country or elsewhere. Many Americans cannot afford to retire in this country. I can. Then you have done well in this country. Many American-born citizens in the USA are not as lucky as you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I am still unclear as to whether anyone believes that N. can hop 10 yards. Anyone? And you did not answer my simple question. What makes you think anyone cares if I hopped 10 yards, 100 yards ? It's irrelevant. The transformative power of Maharishi's and Guru Dev's Knowledge is creating a Golden Age, an Utopia; The Age of Enlightenment. For the first time in 100.000 years on this earth our great Masters and friends of old are incarnating; now. ( http://www.shareintl.org ) Heaven will walk on earth - in this generation. - Maharishi Who cares about a few individual hops when the whole civilization is about to leap ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. And then goes on to give impossible specifics. Walk off 10 yards Judy, you've been in a flying room or two, sound likely? Never a men's flying room, actually. No, that doesn't sound likely even for a man, but I was referring to his scare quotes around levitation, which Ruth seems to have ignored. Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, MORE likely? that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. More likely that's what believers believe. Ruth's formulation wasn't right. Not even TBs believe hopping is actual flying. Judy this response is out of touch with your usual wait and see openminedness and becomes another belief without any evidence. Claiming that hopping is the first stage of flying is intellectually bankrupt and I believe that you know it. I didn't claim that, Curtis. You misread what I wrote. I don't rule it out, but that's as far as I'll go. As I told Hugo, I don't know *what* the hell is going on, just that it's more than mass suggestion. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. This is unfair. Since they have given demonstrations of yogic flying to the public everyone has a right to weigh in on the physical claims. Ruth was making more than physical claims (delusion), and the physical claim she was making--that people aren't actually flying--is something Yogic Flyers know anyway. I could be wrong, but I suspect what she thinks is that people are just doing ordinary garden-variety hopping and thinking it's more than that. Your point may apply to how a person feels as they fly, Right. but the obvious lack of anything that is more than hopping is obvious. Her explanation is a fair estimation of why people might get together and do something so silly. I didn't say it was unfair. If she wants it to be *correct*, however, she needs to have had the experience. (And remember, people do it by themselves as well.) If she has missed the inner experience you feel that doesn't invalidate the point that people are claiming the first stage of flying, not getting together and feeling blissful from their technique. Didn't say it invalidated that point. But they may also feel blissful from doing the technique by themselves, and/or have various experiences of profoundly altered consciousness, and/or feel the impulse. Plus which, for me and a lot of others, the muscular action isn't voluntary. Whatever else Yogic Flying may or may not be, it involves some kind of rewiring of the command and control connection between my brain and my muscles. Yogic flying. And no matter what you feel inside, that is not happening and you also know that. What, specifically, is not happening? When we see movies of the cargo cult worshiping airplanes, do we really need to be a member of the tribe to have a good idea what is going on? Wouldn't be a bad idea. But that's a pretty bogus analogy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. I must admit that I do not understand your stand Ruth. I have jumped a lousy 10 yards in one go and have seen a few others do the same. Why is that a problem for you ? Because you think and/or is conditioned to believe that gravity is an absolute measure ? Oh please ! Even Buddhists levitate, Christianity is full of it ! Nabby, so that I am clear, I do not believe anyone has ever levitated. Even though you might believe that you have seen people jump or hop 10 yards, I do not believe it happened. I also do not believe that Turq's experience of seeing someone levitate was actual levitation. I have no real opinion as to whether you guys are fibbing or delusional or were fooled. If you and others were doing 10 yard hops, the TMO would be all over it, showing it everywhere. So I call your hop. Show me your cards. Where is the tape?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who do you think will be the Democratic VP nominee ? I haven't the *foggiest*, except that it probably won't be anyone who has their own real power base.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
snip Judy this response is out of touch with your usual wait and see openminedness and becomes another belief without any evidence. Claiming that hopping is the first stage of flying is intellectually bankrupt and I believe that you know it. I didn't claim that, Curtis. You misread what I wrote. I don't rule it out, but that's as far as I'll go. As I told Hugo, I don't know *what* the hell is going on, just that it's more than mass suggestion. Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. Your formulation of what you put in the I don't rule it out box is one of your best contributions to my own POV here. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. This is unfair. Since they have given demonstrations of yogic flying to the public everyone has a right to weigh in on the physical claims. Ruth was making more than physical claims (delusion), and the physical claim she was making--that people aren't actually flying--is something Yogic Flyers know anyway. I could be wrong, but I suspect what she thinks is that people are just doing ordinary garden-variety hopping and thinking it's more than that. This point gets interesting, I'll wait till you flesh it out a bit below. Your point may apply to how a person feels as they fly, Right. snip snip But they may also feel blissful from doing the technique by themselves, and/or have various experiences of profoundly altered consciousness, and/or feel the impulse. Plus which, for me and a lot of others, the muscular action isn't voluntary. Whatever else Yogic Flying may or may not be, it involves some kind of rewiring of the command and control connection between my brain and my muscles. I agree that the state during flying is an interesting altered state. I don't believe it is beneficial necessarily, but I understand your desire to show that it is more interesting than Ruth seemed to describe it. Having done it for 10 years myself I can also say that it is a very odd pleasurable state of mind. I can't really determine what aspects are from the original group instructions, but once you turn it on you can do it by yourself with much the same effect, so it is more than just a group influence IMO. I am not confident that Maharishi understood it since he seemed as surprised as anyone that people were just hopping as reported by Jerry Jarvis. Yogic flying. And no matter what you feel inside, that is not happening and you also know that. What, specifically, is not happening? Anything that relates to the word flying. When we see movies of the cargo cult worshiping airplanes, do we really need to be a member of the tribe to have a good idea what is going on? Wouldn't be a bad idea. But that's a pretty bogus analogy. That never stopped Maharishi!
[FairfieldLife] I quit
Thanks to almost all of you for being here to teach me bunches! Anyone think that a 10 yard hop claim isn't a levitation claim? Oh well. I can't seem to stay here on the terms I had set for myself, with no interaction with a certain poster, so I am outtahere. A special thanks to Curtis who is both funny and perceptive, to Jim/Sandiego for answering every question I ever asked, and to Vaj for the great links.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
You will be missed Ruth. I hope there is a time in the future when you reconsider, many come and go. Thanks for the high five on your way out. Right back atcha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to almost all of you for being here to teach me bunches! Anyone think that a 10 yard hop claim isn't a levitation claim? Oh well. I can't seem to stay here on the terms I had set for myself, with no interaction with a certain poster, so I am outtahere. A special thanks to Curtis who is both funny and perceptive, to Jim/Sandiego for answering every question I ever asked, and to Vaj for the great links.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I am still unclear as to whether anyone believes that N. can hop 10 yards. Anyone? And you did not answer my simple question. What makes you think anyone cares if I hopped 10 yards, 100 yards ? It's irrelevant. The transformative power of Maharishi's and Guru Dev's Knowledge is creating a Golden Age, an Utopia; The Age of Enlightenment. For the first time in 100.000 years on this earth our great Masters and friends of old are incarnating; now. ( http://www.shareintl.org ) I think what we care about, is that if we're going to have a serious conversation with you, which some of us are going to do, that you are not lying to us or deluding yourself. Otherwise your main value here is as a jester, that we can all get a chuckle out of.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to almost all of you for being here to teach me bunches! Anyone think that a 10 yard hop claim isn't a levitation claim? Oh well. I can't seem to stay here on the terms I had set for myself, with no interaction with a certain poster, so I am outtahere. Now, *that's* funny!
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Well, either Nablusoss is lying or he is delusional. Anyone disagree? He does seem to have used scare quotes. Anyone want to leap to his defense? I tend to lean towards delusion: you have a group of people together, all pumped up, firmly believing that the hops are levitations. Or, more likely, that they're the first stage of a sequence of developments that ends with levitation. I'm not sure about more likely I lean towards the idea that yogic flying is some sort of brain/body togetherness that lets you tap into hidden energy. The only reason I'd go that far is because I could always do it without getting out of breath, but am we kidding ourselves? It would be piss easy to demonstrate but I don't remember reading it had been done. It doesn't matter how far you fly but whether you travel in a parabolic curve, in ten years I never saw anyone even remotely break the laws governing bodies moving through the air. I saw some who had perfected the hop to the point of physical poetry. Surely after thirty years they, at least, would be airborne. Unless you've experienced Yogic Flying, it's probably not a great idea to make suggestions about what's really happening. I don't know if anyone listened to the radio clip about yogic flying I posted earlier but it's interesting for a few reasons: it doesn't mention the ME and it doesn't claim that yogic flying is the first stage of levitation. I think that is the best you can say about it at the moment. I always hope the optimists are right and we end up levitating because it means I already know how to do it! I'm not going to hold my breath though. I think the laws of physics are safe. So, I am still unclear as to whether anyone believes that N. can hop 10 yards. Anyone? Ten bucks says he hasn't and can't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues I guess you beat the wold record distance that a specialist running full tilt could jump, huh Nabby? What is this you call music ? These recordings you put on here at FFL ? Made by someone who sounds like the begger with a guitar on the street corner ? Your petty coat is showing Nabby. So if I doubt your claim that you have done a magical thing then you will try to criticize my music? Are you trying to get back at me Nabby? Did I hurt your feelings that I don't believe that you are a magical person who does magical things? Nabby if you even listened to my music I can only thank you for taking the time. If you don't dig it, that's cool too, at least you gave it a chance. Jumping 10 yards or a mile through the air is not a magical thing, it is a result of a natural process of aligning oneself with the infinite, natural possebilities of Nature. Simple, no big deal. I apologize for hurting your feelings, but sometimes you sound like a Turq. I know you are an artist and so am I. If it's OK with you please post the link again and I'll give it a more thorough listening. Did you listen to I, FLATHEAD recently released by Ry Cooder ? Over here it received standing ovations from all corners of academica and the press, but I was disappointed. I must listen to it again and again to perhaps discover something lost to me. As I will with your work, permittedly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise your main value here is as a jester, that we can all get a chuckle out of. Like getting a hug I suppose.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to almost all of you for being here to teach me bunches! Anyone think that a 10 yard hop claim isn't a levitation claim? Oh well. I can't seem to stay here on the terms I had set for myself, with no interaction with a certain poster, so I am outtahere. A special thanks to Curtis who is both funny and perceptive, to Jim/Sandiego for answering every question I ever asked, Levitation is developed through roughly 3 steps. Ruth; 10 yard hops is not levitation, it's just the second phase; jumping like frogs. Third is when the real fun starts; staying in the air, moving at will ! :-) This has already started happening and will soon be seen by the general public. And yes, I also miss Jim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
Vaj wrote: According to Sw. Lakshman Joo, Mahesh literally begged Sw. L. to initiate him into the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. So he did. You haven't posted a shred of evidence that would prove this claim, Vaj. From what I've read, the Marshy taught all the students of Swmai Laksmanjoo the TM technique, including the Laksmanjoo himself. That's why the Laksmanjoo invited the Marshy and his Rishikesh TTC class of '67 to have their picture taken together. This is all related by class participants in 'Darshan: Three Times India' by Frank Papetin published by Hannemann Verlag in 1986. John Hughes, after completing the Rishikesh TTC, went to study with the Laksmanjoo in Srinagar. Hughes helped the Lakmanjoo with the publication of 'The Supreme Secret' the Laksman's translation of Abhinavagupta's 'Tantraloka'. 'Self Realization in Kashmere Shaivism' The oral teachings of Swami Laksmanjoo. By John Hughes SUNY, 1994 John Hughes' son, Viresh, was made the acharya of Kashmere Shaivism by the Laksmanjoo, by designating Viresh to be his succussor. The Marshy and the Laksmanjoo , John Hughes and Viresh Hughes are all great proponents of transcendental meditation. These are the facts. Statement by John Hughes: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/centering.htm The photograph was taken in Kashmere in 1968 by Frank Papentin, and published in the book Darshan/Three Times India (available at 21st Century Books in Fairfield, IA) shortly after the Rishikesh TTC. Among the participants was John Hughes, an initiator, who subsequently became a desciple of Swami Lakksmanjoo. You can read John's great book on Kashmere Tantracism, published in 2000 in hardback, and available at Border's and Barne's and Noble. 'Kashmir Shaivism: The Secret Supreme' by Swami Lakshmanjoo and John Hughes Authorhouse, 2000 http://tinyurl.com/6pss5m
[FairfieldLife] Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji on internet now
Jaya Guru Datta www.ebcmusic.com click on live radio link if interested to listen to Sri Swamiji who has just arrived in New Jersey for Guru Purnima celebrations. He is about to speak.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Yorker cover
Judy wrote: The cover is obviously intended to be satirical; it's mocking the folks (probably none of them readers of The New Yorker) who believe all kinds of nutty things about Obama. I have two problems with it. First, it's not very well done artistically. Second, and much more important, the controversy it's creating distracts attention from the excellent article inside the magazine by Ryan Lizza on Obama's Chicago political history, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Obama-is-a-Muslim-type rumors. Two completely different topics. This is another illustration of how the liberal media's blind hatred of, and desire to slander, conservatives can divert it from its quest to assist liberal candidates. Read more: 'The Politics of Dodging the Issue' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, July 13, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5motke
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji on internet now
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sriswamijisadhaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaya Guru Datta www.ebcmusic.com click on live radio link if interested to listen to Sri Swamiji who has just arrived in New Jersey for Guru Purnima celebrations. He is about to speak. I have never met this wonderful fellow, Datta. What I know is that he is Sidha and a Master of a high order. If you have a chance to see him, do ! In many ways he is a product of Maharishis programmes to regenerate India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My Plan for Iraq by Barack Obama(NYT)
Robert wrote: I would consult with commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government to ensure that our troops were redeployed safely, and our interests protected. After all, Mr. Obama was among those in January 2007 who stridently opposed the surge and confidently predicted its failure even going so far as to vote against funding our soldiers in the field unless the Bush administration abandoned this new approach. It is now clear that Mr. Obama's judgment on the surge was spectacularly wrong. Yet rather than admit his mistake, Mr. Obama has instead tried to downplay or disparage the gains our troops have achieved in the past 12 months, clinging to a set of talking points that increasingly seem as divorced from reality as some in the Bush administration were at the darkest moments of the war. Read more: 'When Will Obama Go To Iraq?' Posted by John Hindraker: Powerline, June 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4bz4dz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
On Jul 14, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: According to Sw. Lakshman Joo, Mahesh literally begged Sw. L. to initiate him into the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. So he did. You haven't posted a shred of evidence that would prove this claim, Vaj. From what I've read, the Marshy taught all the students of Swmai Laksmanjoo the TM technique, including the Laksmanjoo himself. gracious snip More BS from Willy. The evidence is from Lakshman Joo himself. It doesn't matter to me if you want to believe it or not. Mahesh was one of his disciples. What does matter to me is when you distort the tradition by attempting to connect the TMO to Kashmir Shaivism. Mahesh had many gurus, Swami Lakshman Joo was just one of them, that's all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy taught all the students of Swmai Laksmanjoo the TM technique, including the Laksmanjoo himself. That's why the Laksmanjoo invited the Marshy and his Rishikesh TTC class of '67 to have their picture taken together. This is all related by class participants in 'Darshan: Three Times India' by Frank Papetin published by Hannemann Verlag in 1986. Laksmanjoo, like so many Saints where (almost) born into Freedom. This great Yogi, in glory surpassed by few indeed, was overjoyed to see that Maharishis techniques worked on His students to the extent that they started to understand what He himself was talking about. :-) In pure joy and exaltation He demanded Initiation from Maharishi. He did not need Initiation ofcourse. This friendship between Masters was cemented in an heartening way for onlookers, like us. To cherish. Few are such souls, few understand what Maharishi did in this world, particularily those that claim to have have been co-ordinators, secretaries in the TMO. If someone claims such a thing be careful, often, as seen here on FFL; they are lying. If in doubt; close your eyes and softly ask Laksmanjoo what is what; He will let you know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Otherwise your main value here is as a jester, that we can all get a chuckle out of. Like getting a hug I suppose. From what is called a lady saint by some... And many get a chuckle out of.
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield: the lush life?
http://tinyurl.com/59wn94
[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Thanks to almost all of you for being here to teach me bunches! Anyone think that a 10 yard hop claim isn't a levitation claim? Oh well. I can't seem to stay here on the terms I had set for myself, with no interaction with a certain poster, so I am outtahere. A special thanks to Curtis who is both funny and perceptive, to Jim/Sandiego for answering every question I ever asked, Levitation is developed through roughly 3 steps. Ruth; 10 yard hops is not levitation, it's just the second phase; jumping like frogs. Third is when the real fun starts; staying in the air, moving at will ! :- ) This has already started happening and will soon be seen by the general public. I might add; much to the consternation of atheists and buddhists as they will go into schock.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion. Laksmanjoo, like so many Saints where (almost) born into Freedom. This great Yogi, in glory surpassed by few indeed, was overjoyed to see that Maharishis techniques worked on His students to the extent that they started to understand what He himself was talking about. :-) In pure joy and exaltation He demanded Initiation from Maharishi. He did not need Initiation ofcourse. This friendship between Masters was cemented in an heartening way for onlookers, like us. To cherish. Few are such souls, few understand what Maharishi did in this world, particularily those that claim to have have been co-ordinators, secretaries in the TMO. If someone claims such a thing be careful, often, as seen here on FFL; they are lying. If in doubt; close your eyes and softly ask Laksmanjoo what is what; He will let you know. Laksmanjoo got a little nutty in his old age. He wore a heart pacemaker and was living with Elliot Abravanel out in Los Angeles. A friend of mine went to visit him and said his behavior was a bit strange. But he still enjoyed the visit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New member
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings from Cleveland Ohio - USA My Photo brief profile below - http://clevelandohiousa.tripod.com/myphoto Thank you, John Om hey John, are you a meditator, or a non-meditator? Rick Archer, a meditator, seems to let almost anybody on this FFL board. Upfront, which are you? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
On Jul 14, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion. Laksmanjoo, like so many Saints where (almost) born into Freedom. This great Yogi, in glory surpassed by few indeed, was overjoyed to see that Maharishis techniques worked on His students to the extent that they started to understand what He himself was talking about. :-) In pure joy and exaltation He demanded Initiation from Maharishi. He did not need Initiation ofcourse. This friendship between Masters was cemented in an heartening way for onlookers, like us. To cherish. Few are such souls, few understand what Maharishi did in this world, particularily those that claim to have have been co-ordinators, secretaries in the TMO. If someone claims such a thing be careful, often, as seen here on FFL; they are lying. If in doubt; close your eyes and softly ask Laksmanjoo what is what; He will let you know. Laksmanjoo got a little nutty in his old age. He wore a heart pacemaker and was living with Elliot Abravanel out in Los Angeles. A friend of mine went to visit him and said his behavior was a bit strange. But he still enjoyed the visit. I have to wonder if that was because of his brain tumors. Lakshman Joo would get terrible migraines from them. It's what eventually killed him. When he died, the last remnants of Kashmir Shaivism died with him, and radical Islam took over Kashmir. To even worship a pagan God or Goddess other than Allah thereafter in any sort of public way, assured a visit from the death squad. And thus began the exodus of 350,00 Brahmin pundit families back to mother India...
[FairfieldLife] Mensa Central
How could so many Mensa Genius's actually be found in this one obscure location?.FF Life?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Thanks to almost all of you for being here to teach me bunches! Anyone think that a 10 yard hop claim isn't a levitation claim? Oh well. I can't seem to stay here on the terms I had set for myself, with no interaction with a certain poster, so I am outtahere. A special thanks to Curtis who is both funny and perceptive, to Jim/Sandiego for answering every question I ever asked, Levitation is developed through roughly 3 steps. Ruth; 10 yard hops is not levitation, it's just the second phase; jumping like frogs. Third is when the real fun starts; staying in the air, moving at will ! :-) This has already started happening and will soon be seen by the general public. And yes, I also miss Jim. According to Bhoja's commentary the stages are, *if* I'm not mistaken (have not seen a translation, so these are based solely on my own take of the original Sanskrit): - walking on water - walking on a spider's web (uurNa-naabha[1]-tantu-jaalena) - ?walking on the rays of the Sun (aaditya-rashmibhiH) - going through the air as one wishes (yatheSTam aakaashena) [1] wool-navel(ed)? = spider
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laksmanjoo got a little nutty in his old age. Says Rick, our one and only source of truth regarding all things Spiritual. I think we will very gracefully drop everything perceived about the near future, the mental and physical health we have seen regarding this Rick Archer character. This as you sough, so shall you reap principle still works though. Much to the disdain of Rick Archer and his dog.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
Why wouldn't someone with their own real power base be placed as VP on the ticket ? Are you inferring that HILLARY will not be placed on the ticket BECAUSE she has her own real power base ? If you could determine Hillary's thinking at this time Is she be thinking that she will be given the right of first refusal for the Democratic VP slot ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Who do you think will be the Democratic VP nominee ? I haven't the *foggiest*, except that it probably won't be anyone who has their own real power base.
