[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[TurquoiseB]

For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
terms used in this announcement:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
>
> Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland

Pūjā (Devanagari  :
पूजा) (alternative transliteration
  Pooja
 , Sanskrit
 : reverence
 , honour
 , adoration
 , or worship
 ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a
religious   ritual
  performed as an offering to
various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on
a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home,
to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
 
Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or
important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia

> Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
>of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
>
> 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h

Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking
his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
Wikipedia):
  [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]

> 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h

Hanuman (personification of bhakti 
[devotion to God] in Hinduism):
  [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]

> 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h

Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
  of wealth
 , prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
  [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]

> Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> This post is non-sequitur.

I'm sorry you were unable to follow the train
of thought, John, but the fact that *you* were
unable to follow it does not make it "not follow"
(the definition of a non-sequitur).

You post supposedly scientific articles to 
support your often-stated-on-this-forum belief
that the Vedic literature is not only true but
"truth." So I thought you'd appreciate a link
to an article that allows you to do that with
the descriptions in that literature of Krishna
as having blue skin. 

But you may clarify your beliefs if you want.
Did Krishna really have blue skin? Did such a
being as "Krishna" ever really exist? Did the
events described in the Bhagavad-Gita ever
really take place? If you believe he existed,
was Krishna really able to multiply himself and 
his...uh...flute sufficiently to sexually sat-
isfy dozens of gopis (milkmaids) at once? Did 
he (as stated in the Bhagavata Purana, really
marry 16,108 wives? (That's one heckuva flute 
the guy had if this is all true.)

I was poking fun at your tendency to state in
many posts that you believe that the "Vedic
literature" is not only true but "cosmic truth"
and imply that if science disagrees with it that 
it's science that's wrong (or that it hasn't
caught up to the "cosmic knowledge" expressed
in the Vedas yet), and then later claim that
posting a precis of a science article that
just "accidentally" happens to use the same
language to describe the birth/death of the
universe that the "Vedic literature" uses
doesn't represent your beliefs and wasn't
intended to "prove" those beliefs.

I think you'd like to have it both ways, John.
You'd like to be a fundamentalist believer in
the Vedas but not be perceived as a fundament-
alist. Could you follow the logic in *that* 
sentence?


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Since you like these "confirmation bias" articles,
> > John, here's one that "proves" that Krishna could
> > have existed just as described in the "Vedic 
> > literature."  :-)
> > 
> > http://www.hair-n-skin-care.com/skin-conditions-and-diseases/blue-skin-disorder.html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[dhamiltony2k5]

Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official Ttranscendental 
Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things?  Maharishi University of 
Management, The David Lynch Foundation,  The Indian TM movement,  The TM Global 
Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and Bevan?  John Hagelin? 

JGD,
-D in FF


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> terms used in this announcement:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> >
> > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> 
> Pūjā (Devanagari  :
> पूजा) (alternative transliteration
>   Pooja
>  , Sanskrit
>  : reverence
>  , honour
>  , adoration
>  , or worship
>  ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a
> religious   ritual
>   performed as an offering to
> various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on
> a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home,
> to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
>  
> Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or
> important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> 
> > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> >
> > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> 
> Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking
> his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> Wikipedia):
>   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> 
> > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> 
> Hanuman (personification of bhakti 
> [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
>   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
> 
> > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> 
> Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
>   of wealth
>  , prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
>   [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
> 
> > Jai Guru Dev
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Give India the Best Defence System in the World

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
>
> Give India the Best Defence System in the World
> Asian Tribune - Bangkok,Thailand
> The late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi revived, from the ancient 
> Vedic science of ... Scientists have named this phenomenon 
> the Maharishi Effect in honor of ...
>  
> http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2009/10/13/give-india-best-defence-system-world

I doubt that an article alone, even by someone
as prestigious as a previous winner of the Ignoble
Prize, will convince India to rely only on the TM-
Sidhi program for its defense. 

I suggest sending real, live representatives of the
TM movement to speak with Indian leaders to relate
their personal experiences of how doing the TM-Sidhi 
program in a large group made them invincible. Someone 
like Levi Butler.

[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
 wrote:
>
> Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official
> Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling
> these things?  Maharishi University of Management, The David
> Lynch Foundation,  The Indian TM movement,  The TM Global
> Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and Bevan?  John Hagelin?

Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my
previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out
the definition of one term, "MERU." That stands
for Maharishi European Research University, the
official home of the TM movement in Holland.
Here is what it looks like:

 
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\
nd_(thumbnail).jpg]

And here's an interesting Web page that talks about
a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same
non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in
my clarification post.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\
s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\
index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\
35435&usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=&h=442&w=273&sz=17&hl=en&start=5\
&um=1&tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\
olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1


Thank you for helping me to clear up all these
misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion
or promoting religious practices.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> > terms used in this announcement:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> >
> > Pūjā (Devanagari 
:
> > पूजा) (alternative transliteration
> >   Pooja
> >  , Sanskrit
> >  : reverence
> >  , honour
> >  , adoration
> >  , or worship
> >  ) is a ceremony of gratitude
or a
> > religious   ritual
> >   performed as an offering to
> > various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is
done on
> > a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the
home,
> > to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
> > 
> > Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity
or
> > important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> >
> > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > >
> > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> >
> > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari
seeking
> > his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> > Wikipedia):
> >   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> >
> > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> >
> > Hanuman (personification of bhakti

> > [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> >   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
> >
> > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> >
> > Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
> >   of wealth
> >  , prosperity, wisdom,
fortune):
> >   [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
> >
> > > Jai Guru Dev
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[Vaj]

These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on  
Quantum Physics?


:-)

On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names  
and terms used in this announcement:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
>
> Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland

Pūjā (Devanagari: पूजा) (alternative  
transliteration Pooja,Sanskrit: reverence, honour, adoration, or  
worship) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious ritual performed  
as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or  
special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings,  
from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large  
festivals, or to begin a new venture. Puja is modeled on the idea  
of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and  
receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia


> Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
>of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
>
> 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h

Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common  
practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari  
seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or  
others." - Wikipedia):



> 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h

Hanuman (personification of bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism):


> 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h

Lakshmi (Hindu goddess of wealth, prosperity, wisdom, fortune):

[FairfieldLife] Re: Give India the Best Defence System in the World

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB wrote: 
> I suggest sending real, live representatives of the
> TM movement to speak with Indian leaders to relate
> their personal experiences of how doing the TM-Sidhi 
> program in a large group made them invincible. Someone 
> like Levi Butler.
>
Why not send Barack Obama over to India?
Maybe he could tell the Indians all about
the 'power of prayer'. Maybe Turq should 
just take a course in the 'power of positive 
thinking'. 

The two Barry's need to take something, because 
they seem really depressed to me, and negative. 
Isn't there anything that they are enthusiastic 
about? I mean, besides sex, movies, and TV.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Give India the Best Defence System in the World

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu wrote:
> I'm sure India will gladly replace their missile 
> defense system with a bunch of hopping meditators.
> 
Maybe, but it would probably be even more effective
to India's self defense if you sent your 'Pilot Guru' 
back over to India, so he could teach them all about 
'Touch Yoga'. Maybe you could fly with him over there 
and help them out. What's he doing over here anyway
when there is so much to do in India? How much money
is he sending over there for his relatives to spend?

Islamabad - Flush with funds and new recruits, they 
are now set to carry out a new jihad - against the 
Pakistani state and security structure to bring it 
to its knees...

Read the full story:

'Audacious militant tactics stun Pakistan'
By Syed Shoaib Hasan
BBC News, October 15, 2009 
http://tinyurl.com/yh3elgx

[FairfieldLife] Re: [R.L. is=Helter Skelter: A Bugged Out Bastard!]...

[WillyTex]

Robert wrote:
> It's a righteous thing, to hate evil...
> Jesus hated evil, and so do I...
> 
Don't you just hate those evil bastards, Rush Limbaugh, 
Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and Alex Jones!

Sometimes you just wake up in the morning wanting to 
hate somebody and wanting to post some hate. Don't you 
just hate that, Robert? Jesus probably hated that too.

But if it's righteous hate, then you're like Jesus.

> > > {Current Commentary on Rush Hudson Limbaugh...
> > >  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [R.L. is=Helter Skelter: A Bugged Out Bastard!]...

[Vaj]

On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:35 AM, WillyTex wrote:


Robert wrote:
> It's a righteous thing, to hate evil...
> Jesus hated evil, and so do I...
>
Don't you just hate those evil bastards, Rush Limbaugh,
Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and Alex Jones!



Hmmm. Synthetic heroin addicts, closet homosexuals, anal vibrator  
users and sexual harrasers, dweebs and recovering alcoholics. And I  
think one of these guys had a kiddie porn collection. I guess we just  
hang out with different people than you do. Heck you should have  
added your neighbor Prakashanand to the list!

[FairfieldLife] America can learn a lot from Texas

[do.rflex]

America can learn a lot from Texas

  [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5392564964576782034] 
Texas has some of the best mouth watering
barbeque in the country. We have some of the best college football and
education and our high school football program is second to none. But we
have something that all of America can learn from: bad legislation.

Congress is currently debating health care reform and could learn from
the mistakes of the Texas Legislature over the last few years including
insurance reform, tort reform, and deregulation.

Tort Reform.

In 2003 the Republican controlled Texas house ushered in sweeping tort
reform, limiting medical malpractice suits to $250,000. These limits
were supported by the insurance industry, some of the medical community,
and their front groups calling themselves "Texans" and
"Citizens" against lawsuit abuse. As they are doing today with
national health care reform, they promised lower health care costs,
lower insurance rates, and expanded health care availability.

Instead, Texas has the highest rate of uninsured in the nation and our
cost of health care and insurance has skyrocketed out of control. Tort
reform didn't work in Texas. It won't work on the national level
either.

Insurance Reform.

Along with tort reform, the Republican controlled House passed massive
homeowner insurance reform. Texas at the time had the highest rates in
the country and insurance reform was the hottest issue of the 2002
campaign. In the end the Legislature limited oversight of the industry,
allowed the use of optional insurance policies and gave the industry
almost everything they requested. In return homeowners would receive
lower rates due to increased competition.

Unfortunately, like tort reform, the promises never materialized. Rates
in Texas tripled. Coverage was cut and deductibles soared. Texas now has
rates twice as high as the national average with less coverage and
higher deductibles. Again, insurance reform didn't work in Texas.

Electricity and College Tuition Deregulation.

The Republican controlled House also passed electricity and college
tuition deregulation again with promises of lower rates with more
competition.

With Enron and Ken Lay leading the lobbying effort, electricity was
deregulation in most of the State, resulting in higher rates, sometimes
as high as 3 times pre-deregulation.

Tuition costs for State Universities has since doubled and our once
shining example of fiscal responsibility, the Texas Tomorrow Fund
providing a method for families to save for college, was cancelled due
to the skyrocketing cost of college. Electricity and college tuition
deregulation failed.

Learn from our mistakes. Please.

Congress has an incredible resource staring them in the face: the great
State of Texas with its examples of failed legislation. It is clear,
tort reform will not lower health care or insurance rates, the insurance
industry cannot be trusted, and deregulation will not lower rates or
create competition as promised.

Texas has mosquitoes large enough for an afternoon snack, pumpkins the
size of a small car, and we also have enough bad legislative experiences
to last a lifetime, or a debate on national health care reform.

For the sake of all Americans learn from our mistakes.

http://bayareahouston.blogspot.com/2009/10/america-can-learn-lot-from-te\
xas.html

See also:   Texas ranks 46th in Health Care

http://snipurl.com/senca   [www_dallasnews_com]

[FairfieldLife] Stop with the friggin' "om" business, will you?

[ShempMcGurk]

I don't know why it bugs me but Doug's flippant use of "om" irritates the hell 
out of me.

And I'm trying to understand why.

Are you trying to be cutting edge "new age" by introducing a new use of this 
mantra into the lexicon?  Instead of "hi" or "how are you" you say "om"?

Seinfeld tried to replace "Bless you" with "You are SO good looking!" as 
something to say when someone sneezed.  Now, this seemed a most reasonable 
proposition, much more than your use of "om" to replace the traditional 
greetings we have in English.  But even Seinfeld's idea didn't catch on...so 
why should your's?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
>
> Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official Ttranscendental 
> Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things?  Maharishi University 
> of Management, The David Lynch Foundation,  The Indian TM movement,  The TM 
> Global Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and Bevan?  John Hagelin? 
> 
> JGD,
> -D in FF
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> > terms used in this announcement:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> > 
> > Pūjā (Devanagari  :
> > पूजा) (alternative transliteration
> >   Pooja
> >  , Sanskrit
> >  : reverence
> >  , honour
> >  , adoration
> >  , or worship
> >  ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a
> > religious   ritual
> >   performed as an offering to
> > various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on
> > a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home,
> > to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
> >  
> > Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or
> > important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> > 
> > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > >
> > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> > 
> > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking
> > his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> > Wikipedia):
> >   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> > 
> > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> > 
> > Hanuman (personification of bhakti 
> > [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> >   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
> > 
> > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> > 
> > Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
> >   of wealth
> >  , prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
> >   [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
> > 
> > > Jai Guru Dev
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] “I Support the Public Option”

[anatol_zinc]

"I Support the Public Option"
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22I+support+the+public+option%22&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJ5BwS14FM

[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on
> Quantum Physics?
>
> :-)


Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist
that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them
being "aspects of natural law".

For instance Krishna apparently represents the vacuum state of Quantum
Physics where matter is spontaneously created. Erm, why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state


Perhaps it's because his picture is a tad more interesting than the
diagramme on the right above. Can you imagine bowing down to that at the
puja table? Hell, why would you bow down to a vacuum state anyway. The
whole thing is foolish why can't they just admit it's a religion and be
done with it, who would be offended? Not me, I'd respect them for having
the guts not to keep bullshitting us all the time.












> On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names
> > and terms used in this announcement:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> >
> > PÅ«jā (Devanagari: à ¤ªà ¥‚à ¤Å"Ã
¤¾) (alternative
> > transliteration Pooja,Sanskrit: reverence, honour, adoration, or
> > worship) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious ritual performed
> > as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or
> > special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings,
> > from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large
> > festivals, or to begin a new venture. Puja is modeled on the idea
> > of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and
> > receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> >
> > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > > of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > >
> > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> >
> > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari
> > seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or
> > others." - Wikipedia):
> >
> >
> > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> >
> > Hanuman (personification of bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> >
> >
> > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> >
> > Lakshmi (Hindu goddess of wealth, prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)

[authfriend]

In this post Barry provides hard evidence for
what I suggested yesterday in a comment to John:

"Barry's posts are becoming less and less
relevant to anything actually happening in
reality, on FFL or elsewhere. He lives in a
Barryworld constructed of his own fantasies."

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > This post is non-sequitur.
> 
> I'm sorry you were unable to follow the train
> of thought, John, but the fact that *you* were
> unable to follow it does not make it "not follow"
> (the definition of a non-sequitur).

Problem is, it follows only in Barryworld,
not in the real world John and the rest of
us inhabit.

> You post supposedly scientific articles to 
> support your often-stated-on-this-forum belief
> that the Vedic literature is not only true but
> "truth."

John posts about a lot of scientific material
about a wide variety of theories, some of which
might be said to support the Vedas and others
of which clearly do not. Barry simply *does not
see* John's posts about those that do not,
because they don't fit his fantasies.

 So I thought you'd appreciate a link
> to an article that allows you to do that with
> the descriptions in that literature of Krishna
> as having blue skin.

Barry might want to cite such descriptions, if
he can find them. Or he might want to Google
"+krishna +blue," and discover that Krishna is
shown as having blue (or black) skin in art, but
that this is an iconographic convention that
symbolizes various abstract qualities of Krishna,
rather than being a literal reflection of any 
description of him in the Vedic literature.

> But you may clarify your beliefs if you want.
> Did Krishna really have blue skin? Did such a
> being as "Krishna" ever really exist? Did the
> events described in the Bhagavad-Gita ever
> really take place? If you believe he existed,
> was Krishna really able to multiply himself and 
> his...uh...flute sufficiently to sexually sat-
> isfy dozens of gopis (milkmaids) at once? Did 
> he (as stated in the Bhagavata Purana, really
> marry 16,108 wives? (That's one heckuva flute 
> the guy had if this is all true.)
> 
> I was poking fun at your tendency to state in
> many posts that you believe that the "Vedic
> literature" is not only true but "cosmic truth"

(Actually, John has never used the phrase "cosmic
truth." Barry only fantasizes that he did.)

The fact is, the real world cannot compete with
Barry's fantasies. He simply *does not absorb*
what people he disagrees with actually say; in his
mind, he substitutes what he thinks they would
say if his fantasies about them were true.

For example, John has told Barry:

"I believe you are missing the point of the vedic
literature. The authors are trying to convey truth
as they perceived them--very much similar to the
prophets in the Bible.

"They wrote in symbolic language which most people
fail to realize. The stories were created to
convey a graphic message for posterity."

And in response to Barry's suggestion that the
story in a movie had the same validity as stories
in the Vedas, John wrote:

"They do have something in common. They are
stories. But they differ in intent and message.
So what if they are written by human beings? I'm
not a fan of the notion that a Burning Bush
etched in stone the ten commandments for Moses
to deliver to the Hebrews."

He also wrote:

"I believe many of the translations, either in
the Bible or the vedic texts, cannot be taken
literally. We need to look at the words in terms
of figurative allusions that the writers have
intended."

Unlike Barry, in other words, John isn't a
literalist. And that's why this is a non
sequitur in the real world:

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > Since you like these "confirmation bias" articles,
> > > John, here's one that "proves" that Krishna could
> > > have existed just as described in the "Vedic 
> > > literature."  :-)
> > > 
> > > http://www.hair-n-skin-care.com/skin-conditions-and-diseases/blue-skin-disorder.html

Only a literalist would think this has any
relevance to whatever truths the Krishna myths
might symbolize. Blueberries and plums. Or
blueberries and blue-chip stocks, actually.
Not even remotely in the same category.

My 50th for the week. A bientot, dudes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes?

[WillyTex]

> > > If we use government to control costs there 
> > > will be "less innovation" in medical technology 
> > > and you should not expect to live much longer 
> > > than your parents.
> > >
Bhairitu wrote:
> > Willy isn't rich...
> >
This is a non sequitur post.

Judy wrote:
> Total health expenditures per capita, 2003...
>
This is another non sequitur post. 

1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow 
from the premises or evidence.

2. A statement that does not follow logically from 
what preceded it.

The term non sequitur literally means "it does not 
follow".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop with the friggin' "om" business, will you?

[WillyTex]

Shemp McGurk wrote:
> I don't know why it bugs me but Doug's flippant 
> use of "om" irritates the hell out of me...
> 
Steve used to use the phrase "so kindly you say..." 

"...hopefully the last participant of the *Dog & 
Pony Show* will pass soon. And, just maybe we'll 
get a deathbed confession of his nefarious plot
to murder his own "master" some 50 years ago..a 
terrible thing to carry to the grave... best to 
unburden his soul now."

Read more:

From: ColdBluICE
Subject: Re: Maharishi "gravely ill"?
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: December 16, 2003

[FairfieldLife] Re: [R.L. is=Helter Skelter: A Bugged Out Bastard!]...

[WillyTex]

Robert wrote:
> They killed the Kennedy's...
>
So, you're thinking that Rush Limbaugh killed Kennedy 
from the Grassy Knoll? 

And, you're thinking that the federal government was 
so corrupt that it was behind and responsible for the 
events of September 11.

But most people, Robert, think people who believe things
like that are insane or crazy. Don't you just hate those
crazy, insane people!

[FairfieldLife] Lumerian Scrolls - a great description on the Vedic Tradition

[Rick Archer]

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really like to share it with you. As it is quite a large file, I couldn't
attach it but I have given you the link below so that you can download it,
its a pdf file.
 
I hope you also enjoy it.
 
Lots of love
Ansie
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: [R.L. is=Helter Skelter: A Bugged Out Bastard!]...

[WillyTex]

> > Don't you just hate those evil bastards, Rush Limbaugh,
> > Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and Alex Jones!
> >
Vaj wrote:
> Synthetic heroin addicts, closet homosexuals, anal vibrator  
> users and sexual harrasers, dweebs and recovering alcoholics...
>
Don't you just hate those Synthetic heroin addicts, closet 
homosexuals, anal vibrator users and sexual harrasers, dweebs 
and recovering alcoholics!

> Heck you should have added your neighbor Prakashanand to the 
> list!
>
Maybe so, but Vaj, you're the guy that paid big bucks to go to 
India to study with the Hindus. Don't you just hate wasting all 
that money!

How much money have you guys given to cults anyway? If you
total it up between the two Barry's and yourself, it must be
in the tens-of-thousands of dollars. I wonder what happened
to all the money?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US

[WillyTex]

jr_esq wrote:
> Given the current political development in Afghanistan, 
> I now believe that the US cannot win this war by itself.
>
But, the war is being fought by NATO. 

What would that do, I wonder, if NATO should fail in 
Afghanistan? I guess they could pack up and go home - to 
do what? 

If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win 
a regional war in Europe? Apparently they can't - Bill 
Clinton bombed the hell out of Kosovo and hardly anyone 
did a thing when the Russians invaded Georgia. Apparently 
NATO can't even win a war in their own backyard without 
U.S. assistance. 

Why can't the Europeans defend themselves?

> President Obama needs to put an Afghan face into this 
> war.
>
So, you're thinking that the U.S. is in a civil war in 
Afghanistan, not in an international war against the 
terrorists. 

So, you're thinking that the Afghan army could win a war 
against al Aqaeda and the Taliban, when NATO cannot.

> He can either do this by increasing the Afghan forces,
>
The President has already increased the Afghan forces
and sent over 20,000 additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan.

How many troops will it take to train the Afghan police
and Army in order to win the war? 40,000 more U.S. troops? 
100,000? How long would it take?
 
> or strike a deal with the Taliban to have peace in the 
> country.  
>
I wonder what India would think about Afghanistan making
a deal with the radicals that bombed Mumbai and Lahore?

"Republicans, such as Arizona Senator John McCain, are 
pushing for a decision to send the troops that General 
Stanley McChrystal, the commander of U.S. and NATO-led 
forces in Afghanistan, has said he needs.

McCain has been joined by Democrats such as Senator 
Dianne Feinstein of California, who heads the Select 
Committee on Intelligence, and House Armed Services 
Committee Chairman Ike Skelton of Missouri..."

Read more: 

'Obama Becomes Target on Afghan Troop Review as Pressure 
Rises'
By Viola Gienger and Edwin Chen
Bloomberg, October 15, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/yfux9xh

[FairfieldLife] Truthers and Birthers

[WillyTex]

So, you voted for Barack Obama without even seeing 
his birth certificate? So, you're a 'Birther'. 

Some 'birthers' believe Obama was born in Kenya, not 
Hawaii. That's because Obama's Kenyan relatives have 
stated under oath, that they were present at Obama's 
birth in Kenya.

But where he was born isn't so important. The fact 
that he was born to a father who was at no time a 
citizen of the United States, is the problem. 

On this basis alone, Obama is NOT a "natural born 
citizen" of the United States and that makes him an 
'unconstitutional president' at best!"

Read more:

'How Crazy are those Birthers?'
http://tinyurl.com/yfsqgb7 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> jr_esq wrote:
> > Given the current political development in Afghanistan, 
> > I now believe that the US cannot win this war by itself.
> >
> But, the war is being fought by NATO. 
> 
> What would that do, I wonder, if NATO should fail in 
> Afghanistan? I guess they could pack up and go home - to 
> do what? 
> 
> If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win 
> a regional war in Europe? Apparently they can't - Bill 
> Clinton bombed the hell out of Kosovo and hardly anyone 
> did a thing when the Russians invaded Georgia. Apparently 
> NATO can't even win a war in their own backyard without 
> U.S. assistance. 

America is part of NATO, it stands for North Atlantic Treaty
Organisation.

> Why can't the Europeans defend themselves?

The Afghan war was provoked by the WTC attacks in 2001, kind
of in US interests to "get them folks that did this". Do you
not remember all that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[WillyTex]

Ruth wrote:
> I'm sick of the weekly MF Rasmussen polls when we don't 
> have a plan yet...
>
We need a plan that will help people save money on their
health insurance, Ruth. Not a single plan you mentioned
would do that. I'm not in favor of paying more in payroll
taxes for my health care insurance. 

You're on a group plan, right? Do you want to pay $3000-4000 
more deducted from your paycheck? 

Or, would you want your company to drop your group plan for 
a government plan? Probably not. 

If you object to reports, maybe you should do a fact-check:

Fact Checker: 

"Both reports -- by PricewaterhouseCoopers for America's 
Health Insurance Plans and by Oliver Wyman for Blue Cross 
Blue Shield -- predict premium increases of $3,000 to 
$4,000 per year for the typical family without employer-based coverage..."

Full story:

'Health Insurance Industry Reports'
By Alec MacGillis
Washington Post, October 15, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/yjmmszq

[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)

[sallysunshine01]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> In this post Barry provides hard evidence for
> what I suggested yesterday in a comment to John:

And in this post Judy provides hard evidence
--once again--that not only is she totally obsessed with Barry,
but that she can't restrain herself
from using up many if not most of her weekly posts
on this obsession.

>(Big trim of nonsense)
> 
> My 50th for the week. A bientot, dudes.
>
Ta-ta, Jude. :)

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Our Million Dollar Afghanistan Soldiers

[Bhairitu]

This report says that we are spending $1 Million a soldier in 
Afghanistan.  We can't even afford single payer health care.  How can we 
afford this?  Bring our troops home.  From everywhere.  The US can no 
longer afford to be the "world's policeman." 

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/us-spends-1-million-per-soldier-in-afghanistan-government-report-says/

And then Arianna Huffington thinks that Joe Biden should resign because 
he opposes any troop increase in Afghanistan.  Apparently Joe 
understands that "Afghanistan is the graveyard of nations" though 
Arianna doesn't.

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/arianna-huffington-to-joe-biden-resign-over-afghanistan/

Just another day on Insane Asylum Earth.

[FairfieldLife] Jon Stewart: 30 GOP Senators vote to protect KBR gang rapists

[do.rflex]

Al Franken proposes getting rid of the old "it's OK if you get raped" clause in 
government contracts, but 30 Republicans vote no.

Watch video: http://vodpod.com/watch/2341443-daily-show-rape-nuts?pod

[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sallysunshine01"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > In this post Barry provides hard evidence for
> > what I suggested yesterday in a comment to John:
> 
> And in this post Judy provides hard evidence
> --once again--that not only is she totally obsessed with Barry,
> but that she can't restrain herself
> from using up many if not most of her weekly posts
> on this obsession.
> 
> >(Big trim of nonsense)
> > 
> > My 50th for the week. A bientot, dudes.
> >
> Ta-ta, Jude. :)
> 
> Sal
>


Another week, another early 'post out' by the perpetual stalker and 
disgustingly mean-spiritied authors.nag.

'Obsessed and bitter is, as obsessed and bitter does.'

[W/apologies to Forest Gump]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop with the friggin' "om" business, will you?

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> I don't know why it bugs me but Doug's flippant use of "om" irritates the 
> hell out of me.
> 
> And I'm trying to understand why.
> 
> Are you trying to be cutting edge "new age" by introducing a new use of this 
> mantra into the lexicon?  Instead of "hi" or "how are you" you say "om"?
> 
> Seinfeld tried to replace "Bless you" with "You are SO good looking!" as 
> something to say when someone sneezed.  Now, this seemed a most reasonable 
> proposition, much more than your use of "om" to replace the traditional 
> greetings we have in English.  But even Seinfeld's idea didn't catch on...so 
> why should your's?
>


Ohummm dear shemp, (3x's)

Better connotation than just, 'oh dear shemp'.   Is a sobriety or solemnity to 
it that vibrates a serious truth in nature to what is coming.  Nothing flippant 
about it.   Would be the universal greeting as there comes more truth in to the 
world.  Ah, like man, you hear it don't you?
Have a nice day Shemp McGurk.

Love and JGD,
-D


 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
> >
> > Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official 
> > Ttranscendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things?  
> > Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation,  The Indian 
> > TM movement,  The TM Global Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and 
> > Bevan?  John Hagelin? 
> > 
> > JGD,
> > -D in FF
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> > > terms used in this announcement:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> > > 
> > > Pūjā (Devanagari  :
> > > पूजा) (alternative transliteration
> > >   Pooja
> > >  , Sanskrit
> > >  : reverence
> > >  , honour
> > >  , adoration
> > >  , or worship
> > >  ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a
> > > religious   ritual
> > >   performed as an offering to
> > > various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on
> > > a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home,
> > > to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
> > >  
> > > Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or
> > > important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> > > 
> > > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > > >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > > >
> > > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> > > 
> > > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking
> > > his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> > > Wikipedia):
> > >   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> > > 
> > > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> > > 
> > > Hanuman (personification of bhakti 
> > > [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> > >   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
> > > 
> > > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> > > 
> > > Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
> > >   of wealth
> > >  , prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
> > >   [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
> > > 
> > > > Jai Guru Dev
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] My experience with the public option

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> This report says that we are spending $1 Million a soldier in 
> Afghanistan.  We can't even afford single payer health care.  

[snip]


I thought single payer health care is supposed to pay for itself.

I have actually had experience with "single payer" health care here in Arizona 
(separate, of course, from my experience growing up in Canada with universal 
health care).  I've written about it here on this forum before.

It is called Healthcare Group of Arizona and is created by government fiat.  It 
is only for the self-employed and as long as you can prove you've been 
self-employed for 6 months you get accepted as long as you pay the premiums.  
ALL pre-existing conditions are accepted.  However, if you are coming to the 
program from a situation of NOT having another company's healthcare program 
then you have to wait a year to be covered for the pre-existing condition.  If 
you're coming from another plan then you are covered immediately for 
pre-existing conditions.

There is NO underwriting!  Premiums are determined according to (1) age; and 
(2) gender.  THAT'S IT!

So the premiums ARE higher than if you got it with another insurance company 
because, obviously, this program is getting a disproportionately higher number 
of people that were rejected by other companies because of pre-existing 
conditions and since the program is self-financing, you are participating in a 
pool of people who are sicker than the "regular" demographic would be and, 
therefore, receiving more benefits which makes it more expensive for everyone.  
I suspect that this is exactly what will happen  on the federal level if the 
public option is adopted (assuming I understand what the public option is).

Unfortunately, 10 months ago they changed the program. It used to be you could 
be a single proprietor of the company; now they require you to have at least 
one employee.

But at least as far as the self-employed are concerned, the program is a public 
option, as I understand what the public option is supposed to mean.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop with the friggin' "om" business, will you?

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > I don't know why it bugs me but Doug's flippant use of "om" irritates the 
> > hell out of me.
> > 
> > And I'm trying to understand why.
> > 
> > Are you trying to be cutting edge "new age" by introducing a new use of 
> > this mantra into the lexicon?  Instead of "hi" or "how are you" you say 
> > "om"?
> > 
> > Seinfeld tried to replace "Bless you" with "You are SO good looking!" as 
> > something to say when someone sneezed.  Now, this seemed a most reasonable 
> > proposition, much more than your use of "om" to replace the traditional 
> > greetings we have in English.  But even Seinfeld's idea didn't catch 
> > on...so why should your's?
> >
> 
> 
> Ohummm dear shemp, (3x's)
> 
> Better connotation than just, 'oh dear shemp'.   Is a sobriety or solemnity 
> to it that vibrates a serious truth in nature to what is coming.  Nothing 
> flippant about it.   Would be the universal greeting as there comes more 
> truth in to the world.  Ah, like man, you hear it don't you?
> Have a nice day Shemp McGurk.
> 
> Love and JGD,
> -D
> 



Hey, I want to have sexual intercourse with many of the women I see on the 
street but my coming up to them and saying "fuck me!" I suspect won't get me 
any nearer to bedding them.



> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official 
> > > Ttranscendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things?  
> > > Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation,  The 
> > > Indian TM movement,  The TM Global Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel 
> > > and Bevan?  John Hagelin? 
> > > 
> > > JGD,
> > > -D in FF
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> > > > terms used in this announcement:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> > > > 
> > > > Pūjā (Devanagari  :
> > > > पूजा) (alternative transliteration
> > > >   Pooja
> > > >  , Sanskrit
> > > >  : reverence
> > > >  , honour
> > > >  , adoration
> > > >  , or worship
> > > >  ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a
> > > > religious   ritual
> > > >   performed as an offering to
> > > > various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on
> > > > a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home,
> > > > to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
> > > >  
> > > > Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or
> > > > important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> > > > 
> > > > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > > > >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > > > >
> > > > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> > > > 
> > > > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > > > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking
> > > > his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> > > > Wikipedia):
> > > >   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> > > > 
> > > > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> > > > 
> > > > Hanuman (personification of bhakti 
> > > > [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> > > >   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
> > > > 
> > > > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> > > > 
> > > > Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
> > > >   of wealth
> > > >  , prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
> > > >   [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
> > > > 
> > > > > Jai Guru Dev
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> If you object to reports, maybe you should do a fact-check:

You're funny.  Health care reform is what I do full time these days.  BTW, I am 
not on a group plan, I have private insurance.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > If you object to reports, maybe you should do a fact-check:
> 
> You're funny.  Health care reform is what I do full time 
> these days.  BTW, I am not on a group plan, I have private 
> insurance.

Only Willytex could have missed this.  :-)

Given your proximity to the issue and your calling
in this regard, Ruth, I'd really love to hear what
you have to say about the whole scene that's been
going down in the US over health care reform. 

I would completely understand if you don't want to
or can't talk about it, but I for one would love to
hear your perspective. Living where I do, in a country
with a sane approach to health care, it's been hard 
for me to get a handle on what I see in the US news.
It's as if I'm watching a country that has collectively
LOST ITS FUCKING MIND.

What's your assessment, being on the "front lines?"
WTF can people who repeat the "Death Panels" meme
be *thinking*? Do they really not understand that
they are describing the present system, and the
insurance companies that run it? 

[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[dhamiltony2k5]

> >
> > Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official
> > Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling
> > these things?  Maharishi University of Management, The David
> > Lynch Foundation,  The Indian TM movement,  The TM Global
> > Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and Bevan?  John Hagelin?
> 
> Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my
> previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out
> the definition of one term, "MERU." That stands
> for Maharishi European Research University, the
> official home of the TM movement in Holland.
> Here is what it looks like:
> 

Thanks,  it looks all very interlocking.
I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that 
level.  Are they not included anymore? 


>  
> [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\
> nd_(thumbnail).jpg]
> 
> And here's an interesting Web page that talks about
> a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same
> non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in
> my clarification post.
> 
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\
> s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\
> index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\
> 35435&usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=&h=442&w=273&sz=17&hl=en&start=5\
> &um=1&tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\
> olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
>  ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\
> /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\
> 735435&usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=&h=442&w=273&sz=17&hl=en&start=\
> 5&um=1&tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\
> Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1>
> 
> Thank you for helping me to clear up all these
> misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion
> or promoting religious practices.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> > > terms used in this announcement:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> > >
> > > Pūjā (Devanagari 
> :
> > > पूजा) (alternative transliteration
> > >   Pooja
> > >  , Sanskrit
> > >  : reverence
> > >  , honour
> > >  , adoration
> > >  , or worship
> > >  ) is a ceremony of gratitude
> or a
> > > religious   ritual
> > >   performed as an offering to
> > > various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is
> done on
> > > a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the
> home,
> > > to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
> > > 
> > > Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity
> or
> > > important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> > >
> > > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > > >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > > >
> > > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> > >
> > > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari
> seeking
> > > his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> > > Wikipedia):
> > >   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> > >
> > > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> > >
> > > Hanuman (personification of bhakti
> 
> > > [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> > >   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
> > >
> > > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> > >
> > > Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
> > >   of wealth
> > >  , prosperity, wisdom,
> fortune):
> > >   [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
> > >
> > > > Jai Guru Dev
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stop with the friggin' "om" business, will you?

[Bhairitu]

Try "Om" when you have a vata imbalance Shemp and see if it helps.

ShempMcGurk wrote:
> I don't know why it bugs me but Doug's flippant use of "om" irritates the 
> hell out of me.
>
> And I'm trying to understand why.
>
> Are you trying to be cutting edge "new age" by introducing a new use of this 
> mantra into the lexicon?  Instead of "hi" or "how are you" you say "om"?
>
> Seinfeld tried to replace "Bless you" with "You are SO good looking!" as 
> something to say when someone sneezed.  Now, this seemed a most reasonable 
> proposition, much more than your use of "om" to replace the traditional 
> greetings we have in English.  But even Seinfeld's idea didn't catch on...so 
> why should your's?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  
> wrote:
>   
>> Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official Ttranscendental 
>> Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things?  Maharishi University 
>> of Management, The David Lynch Foundation,  The Indian TM movement,  The TM 
>> Global Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and Bevan?  John Hagelin? 
>>
>> JGD,
>> -D in FF
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>> 
>>> For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
>>> terms used in this announcement:
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
>>>   
 Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
 
>>> Pūj� (Devanagari  :
>>> पूजा) (alternative transliteration
>>>   Pooja
>>>  , Sanskrit
>>>  : reverence
>>>  , honour
>>>  , adoration
>>>  , or worship
>>>  ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a
>>> religious   ritual
>>>   performed as an offering to
>>> various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on
>>> a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home,
>>> to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
>>>  
>>> Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or
>>> important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
>>>
>>>   
 Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
 of the upcoming grand global Pujas:

 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
 
>>> Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
>>> practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking
>>> his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
>>> Wikipedia):
>>>   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
>>>
>>>   
 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
 
>>> Hanuman (personification of bhakti 
>>> [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
>>>   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
>>>
>>>   
 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
 
>>> Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
>>>   of wealth
>>>  , prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
>>>   [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
>>>
>>>   
 Jai Guru Dev
 
>
>
>
>   





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[FairfieldLife] Live Coverage of the 6 year old in the balloon

[Bhairitu]

A six year old in Colorado set his family's experimental balloon 
aircraft free with him in the gondola.  It's at around 8,000 feet and 
helicopters chasing on live TV:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/0516/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[yifuxero]

Precisely, I agree.
MMY's biggest mistake was charging a lot of $$ for TM. His 2-nd biggest mistake 
was to call the Deities "aspects" (or some similar adjective downplaying their 
Personal Identities as "real" Individual entities who can think and act, like 
use - but only in the inner planes but spilling over into the physical.
  Question: Given that Kali and Durga are "real" Personalities, would they 
treat or did they treat MMY after he died with open arms.
 No!  I suspect that Kali has torn MMY to pieces for calling Her an "aspect"; 
and that's why few if any people have had visions of MMY after he left he 
physical.
 OTOH, countless people have had visions of Jesus, like myself.
MMY was no doubt rendered into bits and pieces by the Wrath of Kali.
 Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say 
otherwise.  Typical deceitful behavior on the part of those Rajas, following in 
the footsteps of MMY..  


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on
> > Quantum Physics?
> >
> > :-)
> 
> 
> Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist
> that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them
> being "aspects of natural law".
> 
> For instance Krishna apparently represents the vacuum state of Quantum
> Physics where matter is spontaneously created. Erm, why?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state
> 
> 
> Perhaps it's because his picture is a tad more interesting than the
> diagramme on the right above. Can you imagine bowing down to that at the
> puja table? Hell, why would you bow down to a vacuum state anyway. The
> whole thing is foolish why can't they just admit it's a religion and be
> done with it, who would be offended? Not me, I'd respect them for having
> the guts not to keep bullshitting us all the time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names
> > > and terms used in this announcement:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> > >
> > > PÅ«jā (Devanagari: à ¤ªà ¥‚à ¤Å"Ã
> ¤¾) (alternative
> > > transliteration Pooja,Sanskrit: reverence, honour, adoration, or
> > > worship) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious ritual performed
> > > as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or
> > > special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings,
> > > from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large
> > > festivals, or to begin a new venture. Puja is modeled on the idea
> > > of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and
> > > receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> > >
> > > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > > > of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > > >
> > > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> > >
> > > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari
> > > seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or
> > > others." - Wikipedia):
> > >
> > >
> > > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> > >
> > > Hanuman (personification of bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> > >
> > >
> > > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> > >
> > > Lakshmi (Hindu goddess of wealth, prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Truthers and Birthers

[Vaj]

On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:08 PM, WillyTex wrote:


So, you voted for Barack Obama without even seeing
his birth certificate? So, you're a 'Birther'.

Some 'birthers' believe Obama was born in Kenya, not
Hawaii. That's because Obama's Kenyan relatives have
stated under oath, that they were present at Obama's
birth in Kenya.



Yeah, and they also stated under oath they saw black helicopters  
filled with the Knights Templar and the Illuminati--and they both  
were wearing New World Order t-shirts!. So I think it's pretty clear  
that Obama is an extraterrestrial. The Kenya thing was just implanted  
in their minds by the Grey Ones.

[FairfieldLife] DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--President Chissano to speak Friday

[Rick Archer]

From: Dome Announcements 
Subject: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--President Chissano to speak Friday
To: "Dome-L" 
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 12:50 PM
President Joaquim Alberto Chissano, President of Mozambique 1986-2005, who
introduced Transcendental Meditation and Yogic Flying to the military and
brought an end to the longstanding civil war, will be speaking at a
celebration honoring him in Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome, Friday Oct.
16th at 8:15 pm.

President Chissano visited Maharishi in Holland, and Maharishi was so loving
towards him as a great friend of our worldwide Movement and benefactor of
his country. President Chissano also spoke to our community by
video-teleconference when he was the Commencement speaker in June 1998.

He is highly regarded in the international community as a statesman and
continues to work for peace in Africa. He was the first recipient of the
Achievement in African Leadership award in 2007.

An article in The Independent covered his award, his extraordinary service
to the international community, and the role of his practice of the
Transcendental Meditation technique.

http://tinyurl.com/c5jk65

Everyone is warmly encouraged to attend this special event.

Jai Guru Dev

Office of the President
Maharishi University of Management

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[FairfieldLife] Re: America can learn a lot from Texas

[WillyTex]

John wrote:
> America can learn a lot from Texas...
> 
So, Barack Obama is in favor of tort reform, 
insurance reform, college tuition reform, 
and electricity reform. For the sake of all 
Americans, learn from Obama's mistakes. The 
U.S.A. ranks 37th in health care, John. 

The Obama Plan:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health_care/plan/

Obama on Student Lending Reform:
http://tinyurl.com/yj8llzg 

Obama on Cap and Trade:
http://tinyurl.com/yhsgu93

Obama on Tort Reform:
http://tinyurl.com/yz2zdkx

World Health Organization ranking:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop with the friggin' "om" business, will you?

[WillyTex]

Shemp McGurk wrote:
> Hey, I want to have sexual intercourse with many 
> of the women I see on the street but my coming up 
> to them and saying "fuck me!" I suspect won't get 
> me any nearer to bedding them.
> 
Why not try saying "Shemp McGurk", and see what kind
of response you get?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US

[WillyTex]

> > If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could 
> > they win a regional war in Europe? 
> >
Hugo wrote: 
> America is part of NATO, it stands for North Atlantic 
> Treaty Organisation...
>
But, you really didn't answer my question, Hugo. If NATO 
can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win a 
regional war in Europe? 

If the U.S. were to pull out of Afghanistan, then the 
U.S. would be withdrawing from NATO agreements. At that 
point, Europe would probably be helpless from a foreign 
attack, since everyone knows that the U.S. pays for over 
half of NATO expenses. If the U.S. withdraws troops from 
Afghanistan, why not withdraw all U.S. forces from Europe?

"The September 11 attacks caused NATO to invoke Article 
5 of the NATO Charter for the first time in its history. 
The Article says that an attack on any member shall be 
considered to be an attack on all..."

NATO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Membership

[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthers and Birthers

[WillyTex]

> > Some 'birthers' believe Obama was born in Kenya, not
> > Hawaii. That's because Obama's Kenyan relatives have
> > stated under oath, that they were present at Obama's
> > birth in Kenya.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> 
> Yeah, and they also stated under oath they saw black 
> helicopters filled with the Knights Templar and the 
> Illuminati--and they both were wearing New World Order 
> t-shirts!
>
No, I don't think so, Vaj. I think you don't really know 
where Obama was born. 

> So I think it's pretty clear that Obama is an 
> extraterrestrial. 
>
Maybe it's clear to you, but I want to know where he was
really born. Maybe you're a 'Birther'.

> The Kenya thing was just implanted in their minds by 
> the Grey Ones.
>
So, you voted for Obama without ever seeing his original
birth certificate. You don't know whether or not Obama 
was natural born, born in Kenya, or a space alien. And
you've never seen Obama's original birth certificate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[WillyTex]

> > If you object to reports, maybe you should do a 
> > fact-check:
> >
Ruth wrote:
> You're funny. Health care reform is what I do full 
> time these days.
> 
How can I save money on my health insurance?  

> BTW, I am not on a group plan, I have private 
> insurance.
>
So I'm not relying on polls, I'm doing a fact-check 
with the CBO. It's not very funny, Ruth.

"On September 22, 2009, the CBO estimated that the 
average premium for a single plan was $4,700 to 
purchase the Silver plan. Last Friday, the CBO upped 
their estimate by 6% to $5,000 for the same plan in 
the same year. Families would also see a $300 increase 
in health premiums from $14,700 to $15,000..."

'CBO: Obamacare Will Raise Insurance Premiums Even 
More than Before'
Posted October 14th, 2009:
http://tinyurl.com/yjot7rt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[WillyTex]

> > You're funny.  Health care reform is what I do full time 
> > these days.  BTW, I am not on a group plan, I have private 
> > insurance.
> >
TurquoiseB wrote:
> Only Willytex could have missed this.  :-)
> 
Yeah, but a mind reader like you would have known that Ruth 
had private insurance and wasn't on a group plan. You're on 
the Free Clinic Plan, right?

> Given your proximity to the issue and your calling
> in this regard, Ruth, I'd really love to hear what
> you have to say about the whole scene that's been
> going down in the US over health care reform. 
> 
> I would completely understand if you don't want to
> or can't talk about it, but I for one would love to
> hear your perspective. Living where I do, in a country
> with a sane approach to health care, it's been hard 
> for me to get a handle on what I see in the US news.
> It's as if I'm watching a country that has collectively
> LOST ITS FUCKING MIND.
> 
> What's your assessment, being on the "front lines?"
> WTF can people who repeat the "Death Panels" meme
> be *thinking*? Do they really not understand that
> they are describing the present system, and the
> insurance companies that run it?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Truthers and Birthers

[Vaj]

On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:25 PM, WillyTex wrote:


> > Some 'birthers' believe Obama was born in Kenya, not
> > Hawaii. That's because Obama's Kenyan relatives have
> > stated under oath, that they were present at Obama's
> > birth in Kenya.
> >
Vaj wrote:
>
> Yeah, and they also stated under oath they saw black
> helicopters filled with the Knights Templar and the
> Illuminati--and they both were wearing New World Order
> t-shirts!
>
No, I don't think so, Vaj. I think you don't really know
where Obama was born.

> So I think it's pretty clear that Obama is an
> extraterrestrial.
>
Maybe it's clear to you, but I want to know where he was
really born. Maybe you're a 'Birther'.

> The Kenya thing was just implanted in their minds by
> the Grey Ones.
>
So, you voted for Obama without ever seeing his original
birth certificate. You don't know whether or not Obama
was natural born, born in Kenya, or a space alien. And
you've never seen Obama's original birth certificate.



Willy, have you ever seen ANY presidents birth certificate?

And heck if he actually was from Kenya all that would mean is it's  
better to get our presidents from Kenya than from Texas. Maybe it's  
something in the water down there or Kenyans are just genetically  
superior. But 17% vs. 71%--what else do ya need to know?


I heard a teabagger on Hardball last night say he thought Sarah Palin  
would make a great president. He was dead serious. And the guy  
actually had what looked like a full set of teeth! You just can't get  
better comedy than this.

[FairfieldLife] Alan Grayson v. the Insurance Industry Hack

[raunchydog]

"CNN has acknowledged in a statement to me that a high-profile Republican 
commentator who frequently discusses health care on the air is also the media 
buyer for one of the ad campaigns bankrolled by America's Health Insurance 
Plans, the major industry trade group currently waging war against the White 
House and Dem reform proposals.

CNN tells me his ties to the industry will be disclosed in the future.

The CNN contributor, well-known GOP consultant Alex Castellanos, is best 
known for producing the racially-charged "Hands" ad, has repeatedly appeared on 
the network attacking Dem health care plans and the public option, which is 
strongly opposed by AHIP.

Castellanos's consulting firm, National Media, also recently placed over $1 
million of TV advertising for AHIP, according to info obtained by Media 
Matters. AHIP's most recent $1 million ad buy attacks the health care plan as a 
threat to Medicare."

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/15/alan-grayson-v-the-insurance-industry-hack/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H3gND4M9HA&feature=player_embedded

[FairfieldLife] The S-Word and Dr. Kevorkian's Accountant

[Rick Archer]

The S-Word and Dr. Kevorkian's Accountant

Health care Rx from my socialist fire department 

Thursday 15 October 2009
by: Greg Palast,   t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed 
 Greg Palast interviews Wendell Potter
 
Wendell Potter tells Greg Palast health insurers' dirty secret. (Photo:
BobFest)

Tell me where it hurts, Mr. President. 
What's killing you, Barack, is what's killing us all: an evil germ called
"Medical Loss Ratio." 

"Medical Loss Ratio" [MLR] is the fancy term used by health insurance
companies for their slice, their take-out, their pound of flesh, their gross
- very gross - profit. 

The "MLR" is the difference between what you pay an insurance company and
what that insurer pays out to doctors, hospitals and pharmacists for your
medical care. 

I've totted it up from the raw stats: The "MLR," insurance companies'
margins, is about to top - holy mama! - a quarter trillion dollars a year.
That's $2.7 trillion over the next decade. 

Until the 1990's, insurers skimmed only about a nickel on the dollar for
their "service," Wendell Potter told me. Potter is the CIGNA insurance
company PR man who came in from the cold to tell us about what goes down
inside the health insurance gold mine. Today, Potter notes (and I've checked
his accuracy), porky operators like AIG have kicked up their Loss Ratio by
nearly 500 percent. 

The industries' slice is growing to nearly a quarter of your insurance bill.
All of it just paperwork and profiteering. 

President Obama is never going to pull the insurance company piggies from a
trough this big, especially when the industry has made room for
Congressional snouts. 

So what's the Rx? Easy: Kill the pigs and call the fire department. 

The only solution to Loss Ratio piggery is to kill the pigs: eliminate
health insurers from the health industry entirely. 

We can't cure our ills, as our president has attempted, by attacking the
problem ass-backwards. No, Mr. Obama, we don't need HEALTH INSURANCE for
everyone, we need HEALTH CARE for everyone. There's a giant difference.
Instead of concentrating on PAYMENT, we need to focus solely on providing
the health SERVICE. 

>From my London days writing for The Guardian, I can tell you the British do
NOT have national health insurance. They have a National Health Service. 

The government builds hospitals, hires doctors and, when you need the
service, you just go and get it. It's kind of like the fire department. When
your house is on fire, you don't call your fire insurance company, you call
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. We care first about the service, not the payment. 

The British government hires the doctors, like firemen, and Brits use them,
like firemen, as they need them. 

It works. My mother-in-law, a nurse, on a visit to England, was stunned at
the speed, quality and absence of mad paperwork to fix her broken arm. 

But, you might say, that's, that's SOCIALISM! Well, yes, it is. And I'm not
afraid to use the S-word: Socialized Medicine. Just like America's
Socialized Fire Departments. (Fun fact: socialized, i.e. publicly funded,
fire departments were 'invented' by the revolutionary Ben Franklin.) 

And Yes We Can get socialized medicine passed into law. 

Really. It's simple: we sneak it in with the kids. 

We can learn from Lyndon Johnson's sale of Socialist Medicare. Johnson knew
that no one could argue that Granny do without a doctor. Can the "Pro-Life"
Republicans now tell us that pregnant moms and children ages 0 to 3 should
be denied care? Therefore, to the Medicare program for those 65-or-older, we
simply add "Kiddie Care," for those from Negative 9 months through age 3. 

But instead of the wallet-busting Medicare system, in which doctors and
hospitals are paid for each suture, bag of blood and pat on the head, Kiddie
Care will be provided by Kiddie Care Service salaried doctors. 

How do we get doctors (who now AVERAGE $240,575 a year) to take well-paid,
but not pig-paid, posts? We grab'm while they're young. We pay doctors the
full cost of their medical education; and we treat them as humans during
internship, not as in the current system where interns are treated as
medi-slaves. In return for the public paying for their medical education,
the public gets the young doctors' ten-year commitment to work for the
health service at a reasonable salary. 

That's not my invention. The free-education idea for staffing a national
health service had long ago been proposed by that wily old dog Ted Kennedy.
(Damn, we miss him.) 

Once the first wave of three-year-olds are about to turn four and their
families face having to buy them health insurance, these millions of parents
will become an unstoppable army of lobbyists screaming for the extension of
Kiddie Care to age four, then to age five, then to age six and so on. Get
it? 

Yes, Mr. Limbaugh, I am another bleeding heart trying to sneak socialized
medicine into America. Yes, I am trying to rid u

[FairfieldLife] Movie Review: (500) Days Of Summer

[TurquoiseB]

OPENING NARRATION: This is a story of boy meets
girl. The boy, Tom Hansen of Margate, New Jersey,
grew up believing that he'd never truly be happy until
the day he met The One. This belief stemmed from early
exposure to sad British pop music and a total misreading
of the movie 'The Graduate.' The girl, Summer Finn of
Shinnecock, Michigan, did not share this belief. Since
the disintegration of her parent's marriage she'd only
loved two things. The first was her long dark hair. The
second was how easily she could cut it off and not feel a
thing. Tom meets Summer on January 8th. He knows
almost immediately she is who he has been searching for.
This is a story of boy meets girl, but you should know
upfront, this is not a love story.

But this review is. I am in love with this film.

I have been in love with it ever since seeing the trailer
a few months ago. Watching a workprint of the film tonight
not only did not dampen my ardor, it deepened it. And this
is not an adolescent-crush-love-is-blind love on my part.
I have my reasons for it.

First, there is Zooey Deschanel.

Second, how can you not love a film that starts with the
following lines printed onscreen before the credits?

AUTHOR'S NOTE: The following is a work of fiction.
Any resemblance to persons living or dead
is purely coincidental.

Especially you Jenny Beckman.

Bitch.

Third, there is Zooey Deschanel.

In one pithy phrase, "(500) Days Of Summer" is easily the
best romantic comedy in years. The writing is fabulous,
containing more funny lines per minute than any film of
this type I can think of since "When Harry Met Sally."

And there is Zooey Deschanel. A star is born.

Not that Joseph Gordon-Levitt isn't great. He follows up
his excellent work in "The Lookout" and "Killshot" and
other films with a film that will probably jumpstart his
career as well. But hey! I'm a guy, and Zooey stole my
heart just as effectively as she steals his.

Besides, it's a story told out of order, which I love.
(500) Days Of Summer is exactly what the title implies it
is, a tale composed of vignettes from the 500 days of an
unforgettable love affair. But one of the things that
makes this unforgettable love affair memorable is that
these vignettes are presented not in sequence, as they
happened, but in the order they need to be in to tell
the story properly.

I give it 500 stars.

[FairfieldLife] Anamay Ashram in the Himalayas; a blessing from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

[nablusoss1008]

Anamay Ashram, Spring/Summer 2009


 
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A Newsletter from Ashutosh-ji,


 
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Dear Friends and Supporters,

A lot of progress has happened on all levels in our Vedic heaven in the
Himalaya.

New admissions of students, new buildings almost finished, pancha karma,
new kendras opened, new fields of study, Assembly, Upanayanam….

 
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Lets start with Buildings
In our last letter we mentioned the student building's first floor.
We started to use it, not yet perfectly, for the first time for our
assembly for which over 150 students from many villages came during the
last week of June. We postponed the start of the assembly in the last
moment by 4 days, as we were simply not ready with all the tiling,
plumbing, painting etc. etc. But we made it, and all the girls who came
for the Vedic stotra competition and guests stayed in the new student
home. And its roof was used as dining hall – see below. The girls in
pink and the boys in yellow.

 
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Because the kitchen building, that houses on the 2nd floor the dining
hall did not quite make it into a user-friendly state of development: We
were able to house the Vedic students from a vidyapeeth in Rajasthan who
came to compete with our students in the "basement" room on the
lower left of the building. And the bamboo hall on the roof was also
ready to be used.

 
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All new initiations in TM and TM Sidhis were done in this hall. Well
almost all, in the last night, where next morning there were the last
initiations of the sidhis a rain downpour soaked all the foam mattresses
like sponges. Its roof is temporarily covered with a plastic and not
with grass, as we can get grass only after the rainy-season. And one
plastic was blown over by the wind and the gates were opened for the
downpour.

 
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Overall it was almost a miracle that we could get the kitchen building
to that state - it is all thanks to friends from Switzerland who donated
generously towards the cost of building it! But now we desperately need
another 2.5 lakh rupees (about $6500) minimum to finish it.

A different contractor had started to build our new guesthouse at the
same time. The kitchen contractor made 3 floors plus the bamboo hall,
but this one reached not even to the roof of the ground floor:
And we cannot even put much pressure on him, because there is not much
money to pay him……But we hope to have some guest rooms ready for
October!

 
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Good news is that we have at least half the food cooked with gas
produced by our biogas plant, that produces methane gas from cow dung. A
2nd biogas plant is under construction that will produce gas from human
waste. We will use that gas for lighting parts of the student house as
well as cooking.

We also have built a vermi-compost plant that is getting filled up with
decomposed cow-dung from the gas tank. Below is a picture shortly before
it was completed. It is consisting of 4 chambers with openings between
them. Next time we will inform you how successful it has become. Right
now we are in the process of collecting the worms that will be added to
the dung. This is done by mixing cow dung with raw sugar (gur) and
spreading it over some open grass to attract the worms below. But what
we observe is, that the chipmunks are attracted more by the gur than the
earthworms!

The most dragging construction project is our STP (sewage treatment
plant). But we have reached its last phase: the water tank at the end.
How exhausting it is you can see on the state of Masoud

 
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Assembly, Upanayanam, Ashram
For the first time this year we had our assembly not in temporary halls
(tents) or rented places, but it was in final constructions (which no
doubt will get some more improvements in time!) We had this time many
new kendras (centers) participating. The interesting part therefore for
our ashram children were the vedic students that arrived from Rajasthan
on a 3 days journey to compete with them 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > jr_esq wrote:
> > > Given the current political development in Afghanistan, 
> > > I now believe that the US cannot win this war by itself.
> > >
> > But, the war is being fought by NATO. 
> > 
> > What would that do, I wonder, if NATO should fail in 
> > Afghanistan? I guess they could pack up and go home - to 
> > do what? 
> > 
> > If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win 
> > a regional war in Europe? Apparently they can't - Bill 
> > Clinton bombed the hell out of Kosovo and hardly anyone 
> > did a thing when the Russians invaded Georgia. Apparently 
> > NATO can't even win a war in their own backyard without 
> > U.S. assistance. 
> 
> America is part of NATO, it stands for North Atlantic Treaty
> Organisation.
> 
> > Why can't the Europeans defend themselves?


We certainly can, but the americans bully the Europeans into their silly wars. 

What is the North ATLANTIC Treaty Organisation doing in the deserts of Iraq and 
Afgahanistan ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--President Chissano to speak Friday

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> From: Dome Announcements 
> Subject: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--President Chissano to speak Friday
> To: "Dome-L" 
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 12:50 PM
> President Joaquim Alberto Chissano, President of Mozambique 1986-2005, who
> introduced Transcendental Meditation and Yogic Flying to the military and
> brought an end to the longstanding civil war, will be speaking at a
> celebration honoring him in Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome, Friday Oct.
> 16th at 8:15 pm.
> 
> President Chissano visited Maharishi in Holland, and Maharishi was so loving
> towards him as a great friend of our worldwide Movement and benefactor of
> his country. President Chissano also spoke to our community by
> video-teleconference when he was the Commencement speaker in June 1998.
> 
> He is highly regarded in the international community as a statesman and
> continues to work for peace in Africa. He was the first recipient of the
> Achievement in African Leadership award in 2007.
> 
> An article in The Independent covered his award, his extraordinary service
> to the international community, and the role of his practice of the
> Transcendental Meditation technique.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/c5jk65
> 
> Everyone is warmly encouraged to attend this special event.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev
> 
> Office of the President
> Maharishi University of Management


This is a rare soul - don't miss this meeting if you are in Fairfield.

[FairfieldLife] News from Ashram

[nablusoss1008]

With the blessings of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi;

http://tinyurl.com/yhukhul

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Coverage of the 6 year old in the balloon

[do.rflex]

They reportedly found the little boy hiding in a box in the family attic:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/10/boy_balloon_colorado_alone_six.html


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> A six year old in Colorado set his family's experimental balloon 
> aircraft free with him in the gondola.  It's at around 8,000 feet and 
> helicopters chasing on live TV:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/0516/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review: (500) Days Of Summer

[yifuxero]

Me too, loved it; although I like "most" movies.  Whip It was good too 
(starring Ellen Page, produced by Drew Barrymore, also featuring SNL's 
Wiig...she's always good for some laughs.), I liked it more than "Couple's 
Retreat" with Vince Vaughn.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> OPENING NARRATION: This is a story of boy meets
> girl. The boy, Tom Hansen of Margate, New Jersey,
> grew up believing that he'd never truly be happy until
> the day he met The One. This belief stemmed from early
> exposure to sad British pop music and a total misreading
> of the movie 'The Graduate.' The girl, Summer Finn of
> Shinnecock, Michigan, did not share this belief. Since
> the disintegration of her parent's marriage she'd only
> loved two things. The first was her long dark hair. The
> second was how easily she could cut it off and not feel a
> thing. Tom meets Summer on January 8th. He knows
> almost immediately she is who he has been searching for.
> This is a story of boy meets girl, but you should know
> upfront, this is not a love story.
> 
> But this review is. I am in love with this film.
> 
> I have been in love with it ever since seeing the trailer
> a few months ago. Watching a workprint of the film tonight
> not only did not dampen my ardor, it deepened it. And this
> is not an adolescent-crush-love-is-blind love on my part.
> I have my reasons for it.
> 
> First, there is Zooey Deschanel.
> 
> Second, how can you not love a film that starts with the
> following lines printed onscreen before the credits?
> 
> AUTHOR'S NOTE: The following is a work of fiction.
> Any resemblance to persons living or dead
> is purely coincidental.
> 
> Especially you Jenny Beckman.
> 
> Bitch.
> 
> Third, there is Zooey Deschanel.
> 
> In one pithy phrase, "(500) Days Of Summer" is easily the
> best romantic comedy in years. The writing is fabulous,
> containing more funny lines per minute than any film of
> this type I can think of since "When Harry Met Sally."
> 
> And there is Zooey Deschanel. A star is born.
> 
> Not that Joseph Gordon-Levitt isn't great. He follows up
> his excellent work in "The Lookout" and "Killshot" and
> other films with a film that will probably jumpstart his
> career as well. But hey! I'm a guy, and Zooey stole my
> heart just as effectively as she steals his.
> 
> Besides, it's a story told out of order, which I love.
> (500) Days Of Summer is exactly what the title implies it
> is, a tale composed of vignettes from the 500 days of an
> unforgettable love affair. But one of the things that
> makes this unforgettable love affair memorable is that
> these vignettes are presented not in sequence, as they
> happened, but in the order they need to be in to tell
> the story properly.
> 
> I give it 500 stars.
>

[FairfieldLife] Here's one for Nabby

[Rick Archer]

SaLuSa from the star constallation of Sirius
14-October-2009
 
Perhaps somewhat sooner than you might have anticipated, the first
meaningful contact is soon to be announced. The news is already spreading
like wildfire, and it is going to be a moment when history will be made. You
have reached a new stage in this cycle that will see you move even further
ahead, and all the promise of a new age will begin to unfold before your
eyes. Does it not seem appropriate that at a time when you will be preparing
to celebrate Christmas and the New Year, you will have another reason that
will bring joy to so many of you. Between now and the end of the year the
first official announcement of our existence will go ahead, and none other
than President Obama will sit at that table. Over a period of time we had
been anticipating a more open contact, but in keeping up with your likely
re-action it has been decided to take a formal approach. 
  
The message that you are to receive, whether direct or through President
Obama will set the stage for a series of announcements. These will reveal
the facts about us and our long relationship with you, and put aside the
false and distorted stories. You should have reached this point many years
ago, but a deliberate plan to conceal the truth has caused much confusion.
In the last cycle during the Atlantean and Lemurian times we regularly
visited their civilizations. It is quite normal to do so when a civilization
reaches a certain level of understanding, and is ready to receive us. In
your case it is imperative that we start working together as soon as
possible, as there is much to do to ensure the plan for Ascension is carried
forward. You must know by now the nature of the preparations for it, and we
shall be able to help you speed up the process. The year 2012 will remain a
crucial point in your evolution, and from thereon it will continue in the
higher dimensions. 
  
Allowing this information out so early is to give those hearing of this news
sufficient time to consider what it means to them. It will certainly change
the outlook on many matters, not least of all the procuring of world peace
which has unceasingly been sought in your prayers and thoughts. It is a
signal to face in a different direction that leads you ever onwards towards
the Light. There will have to be a great change of attitude amongst your
leaders, as our part in your future becomes made known to Humankind. We come
not as some marauding aliens that have set their sights on taking over your
Earth, but more as your servants upon the orders of the Creator. The plan is
in place and it will complete this cycle with Ascension.It is your great
opportunity to ascend and leave duality because of your dedication, to
uplifting yourselves into the higher dimensions of Light. 
  
After patiently waiting for the signs of change they are now about to come
to fruition, and there will be absolutely no going back to the old ways.
Naturally the dark forces will make life as difficult as possible for those
charged with bringing the disclosures to you. However, one thing we will not
allow is interference to the degree that it stops the revelations coming
out. It is your time now to show what you can do to support the Light, and
those Lightworkers who are at the helm of what is to be broadcast. Send out
your love to protect them, and see them enveloped in the Golden White Light.

  
You can expect some negative reactions to what is coming, but again there is
time to deal with them before they can cast a shadow over the event. The
final proof of our existence will be undeniable, and put paid to the
scaremongers and their false stories about us. We will soon be able to
assure you all that we come as your benevolent friends, and that we along
with you are one galactic family. Why would we otherwise spend so much time
progressing your evolution, and keep our distance so as not to frighten
people. It would have been easy enough for us to make a peaceful
colonization of your planet, as you could not have prevented it if we had
wished to do so. Our mission is as always stated, one to bring you to First
Contact and prepare you and the Earth for Ascension. With that comes the
fulfillment of all promises to restore your freedom and rights currently
denied you. Also, to bring you into a new technological age where all your
needs are supplied. Finally and perhaps the most important, is to guide you
through the higher dimensions until you reach full consciousness. 
  
The ripples of excitement already move amongst you, and any apprehension
will soon be overcome. Nevertheless, please allow time for developments
because as fast as we can move towards our open landings, there is much to
do to create the conditions we require to go ahead. Everything has to start
somewhere, and the announcements about us will clear the way for greater
co-operation between us, as we have all of the benefits lined up for you.
Although we have previously made contacts wi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Here's one for Nabby

[yifuxero]

Sure this message wasn't from Ascended Master St. Germain?  What I'd like to 
know is if there's Country and Western music and NASCAR in the Pleides.  If so, 
I'll stay away from those planets.
http://www.ascension-research.org/germain.html



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> SaLuSa from the star constallation of Sirius
> 14-October-2009
>  
> Perhaps somewhat sooner than you might have anticipated, the first
> meaningful contact is soon to be announced. The news is already spreading
> like wildfire, and it is going to be a moment when history will be made. You
> have reached a new stage in this cycle that will see you move even further
> ahead, and all the promise of a new age will begin to unfold before your
> eyes. Does it not seem appropriate that at a time when you will be preparing
> to celebrate Christmas and the New Year, you will have another reason that
> will bring joy to so many of you. Between now and the end of the year the
> first official announcement of our existence will go ahead, and none other
> than President Obama will sit at that table. Over a period of time we had
> been anticipating a more open contact, but in keeping up with your likely
> re-action it has been decided to take a formal approach. 
>   
> The message that you are to receive, whether direct or through President
> Obama will set the stage for a series of announcements. These will reveal
> the facts about us and our long relationship with you, and put aside the
> false and distorted stories. You should have reached this point many years
> ago, but a deliberate plan to conceal the truth has caused much confusion.
> In the last cycle during the Atlantean and Lemurian times we regularly
> visited their civilizations. It is quite normal to do so when a civilization
> reaches a certain level of understanding, and is ready to receive us. In
> your case it is imperative that we start working together as soon as
> possible, as there is much to do to ensure the plan for Ascension is carried
> forward. You must know by now the nature of the preparations for it, and we
> shall be able to help you speed up the process. The year 2012 will remain a
> crucial point in your evolution, and from thereon it will continue in the
> higher dimensions. 
>   
> Allowing this information out so early is to give those hearing of this news
> sufficient time to consider what it means to them. It will certainly change
> the outlook on many matters, not least of all the procuring of world peace
> which has unceasingly been sought in your prayers and thoughts. It is a
> signal to face in a different direction that leads you ever onwards towards
> the Light. There will have to be a great change of attitude amongst your
> leaders, as our part in your future becomes made known to Humankind. We come
> not as some marauding aliens that have set their sights on taking over your
> Earth, but more as your servants upon the orders of the Creator. The plan is
> in place and it will complete this cycle with Ascension.It is your great
> opportunity to ascend and leave duality because of your dedication, to
> uplifting yourselves into the higher dimensions of Light. 
>   
> After patiently waiting for the signs of change they are now about to come
> to fruition, and there will be absolutely no going back to the old ways.
> Naturally the dark forces will make life as difficult as possible for those
> charged with bringing the disclosures to you. However, one thing we will not
> allow is interference to the degree that it stops the revelations coming
> out. It is your time now to show what you can do to support the Light, and
> those Lightworkers who are at the helm of what is to be broadcast. Send out
> your love to protect them, and see them enveloped in the Golden White Light.
> 
>   
> You can expect some negative reactions to what is coming, but again there is
> time to deal with them before they can cast a shadow over the event. The
> final proof of our existence will be undeniable, and put paid to the
> scaremongers and their false stories about us. We will soon be able to
> assure you all that we come as your benevolent friends, and that we along
> with you are one galactic family. Why would we otherwise spend so much time
> progressing your evolution, and keep our distance so as not to frighten
> people. It would have been easy enough for us to make a peaceful
> colonization of your planet, as you could not have prevented it if we had
> wished to do so. Our mission is as always stated, one to bring you to First
> Contact and prepare you and the Earth for Ascension. With that comes the
> fulfillment of all promises to restore your freedom and rights currently
> denied you. Also, to bring you into a new technological age where all your
> needs are supplied. Finally and perhaps the most important, is to guide you
> through the higher dimensions until you reach full consciousness. 
>   
> The ripples of excitement already m

[FairfieldLife] Opposite agendas

[do.rflex]

[FairfieldLife] Instant karma for Pigboy

[do.rflex]

[FairfieldLife] Claim ' DENIED '

[do.rflex]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> 
> Given your proximity to the issue and your calling
> in this regard, Ruth, I'd really love to hear what
> you have to say about the whole scene that's been
> going down in the US over health care reform. 
> 
> I would completely understand if you don't want to
> or can't talk about it, but I for one would love to
> hear your perspective. Living where I do, in a country
> with a sane approach to health care, it's been hard 
> for me to get a handle on what I see in the US news.
> It's as if I'm watching a country that has collectively
> LOST ITS FUCKING MIND.
> 
> What's your assessment, being on the "front lines?"
> WTF can people who repeat the "Death Panels" meme
> be *thinking*? Do they really not understand that
> they are describing the present system, and the
> insurance companies that run it?
>
 Too busy and can't really talk much about things. Plus, I need more distance.  
Sometimes I am amazed at how little people know about how the insurance markets 
work and thus how health care reform may work if we tweak this or that. 
There is a lot of exhaustion right now, with a few senators working hard to 
push, push, push to final legislation.  Merging the Finance and Health 
committee bills is a bear, though I have a lot of confidence in Reid. Plus 
there are a number of unintended consequence holes that need to be plugged, 
which is tedious work.  And then comes the House and the Senate.

Posturing has been tiresome, but with the August recess in dim memory it is 
less of an immediate problem.  I do love hearing statements like "we have the 
best health care system in the whole world."  Yippee America, we are number 
one!  Yup, if you are insured and live in the right community.  El Paso Texas 
vs. McAllen Texas.


I worry about how to reduce health care inflation, but as soon as people hear 
about controlling cost they think rationing.  Or that that someone might 
interfere with their doctor/patient relationship.  (Of course, insurance 
companies already interfere in that relationship and  doctors aren't 
always going to make the best decision or be efficient.) Killing Medicare 
Advantage subsidies is a small first step that is clearly warranted, but even 
that gets people up in arms. We need to get new reimbursement mechanisms in 
place to reward the practice of good medicine.  We also need to strengthen our 
primary care system. I like a public option because it can experiment with 
reimbursement in ways insurance companies have been unwilling to try. We also 
need to experiment more with Medicare and reimbursement.  This is not easy, the 
Swiss have struggled with their requirement which limits coverage to 
"effective, appropriate, and efficient" treatment.  It often isn't formulaic so 
it can be difficult.  But some things are formulaic and simple.  Tell a 
hospital it will not get Medicare money unless it has a checklist system in 
place for reducing infections.  It is proven to work. No question. But we 
shouldn't need a law for that, just give Medicare (and any other public plan) 
the ability to reward what needs to be rewarded.  

I can barely touch on it, but Medicare has to get control over drug costs and 
be allowed to bargain on drug prices. In large part economists are telling me 
that things are expensive in the US simply because they can be.  But we aren't 
a country like Japan, willing to address cost by having a system where 
government decides how much will be paid for x,y or z. 

Like it or not, we are not a country of collectivists,  and the current 
distrust of government is not helping. 

Anyway, I am rambling a bit on this gloomy evening.  

[FairfieldLife] Balloon Boy: 'I Thought I'd Get in Trouble'

[do.rflex]

The 6-year-old Colorado boy feared to have floated off in a helium balloon 
appeared with his family in front of their home soon after the boy was found 
safe in the attic.

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6b02AGWkps

[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[dhamiltony2k5]

The TMmovement entities, how do these interlocking enterprises sit with the 
TMmovement's  Brahmananda Saraswati Trust?  Does authority and money flow 
around betwx them?  Is the BST a Channel Island Trust, European, India or 
American?

> 
> 
> > >
> > > Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official
> > > Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling
> > > these things?  Maharishi University of Management, The David
> > > Lynch Foundation,  The Indian TM movement,  The TM Global
> > > Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and Bevan?  John Hagelin?
> > 
> > Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my
> > previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out
> > the definition of one term, "MERU." That stands
> > for Maharishi European Research University, the
> > official home of the TM movement in Holland.
> > Here is what it looks like:
> > 
> 
> Thanks,  it looks all very interlocking.
> I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that 
> level.  Are they not included anymore? 
> 
> 
> >  
> > [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\
> > nd_(thumbnail).jpg]
> > 
> > And here's an interesting Web page that talks about
> > a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same
> > non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in
> > my clarification post.
> > 
> > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\
> > s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\
> > index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\
> > 35435&usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=&h=442&w=273&sz=17&hl=en&start=5\
> > &um=1&tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\
> > olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
> >  > ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\
> > /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\
> > 735435&usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=&h=442&w=273&sz=17&hl=en&start=\
> > 5&um=1&tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\
> > Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1>
> > 
> > Thank you for helping me to clear up all these
> > misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion
> > or promoting religious practices.
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> > > > terms used in this announcement:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> > > >
> > > > Pūjā (Devanagari 
> > :
> > > > पूजा) (alternative transliteration
> > > >   Pooja
> > > >  , Sanskrit
> > > >  : reverence
> > > >  , honour
> > > >  , adoration
> > > >  , or worship
> > > >  ) is a ceremony of gratitude
> > or a
> > > > religious   ritual
> > > >   performed as an offering to
> > > > various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is
> > done on
> > > > a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the
> > home,
> > > > to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
> > > > 
> > > > Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity
> > or
> > > > important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> > > >
> > > > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > > > >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > > > >
> > > > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> > > >
> > > > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > > > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari
> > seeking
> > > > his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> > > > Wikipedia):
> > > >   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> > > >
> > > > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> > > >
> > > > Hanuman (personification of bhakti
> > 
> > > > [devotion to God] in Hinduism):
> > > >   [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
> > > >
> > > > > 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h
> > > >
> > > > Lakshmi (Hindu   goddess
> > > >   of wealth
> > > >  , prosperity, wisdom,
> > fortune):
> > > >   [http

[FairfieldLife] [Is Rush Limbaugh Break Down Real?'or fake?]

[Robert]

Since Rush limbo is so evil, I was thinking...
That his 'Alleged Nervous Breakdown'...
Is this just one more, clever mask, or the 'evil doer'...
Tell us what you think...
We Report, You Decide!'
Roberto De Verona


  

[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)

[dhamiltony2k5]

Michael, you seem on the ground there.  Who schedules and who coordinates these 
things?  Does it come from movement Raja's sitting in parliament declaring the 
movement should do these yagya things and promote them? Or does this kind of 
seeming new public policy happen to come from smaller exec. committee?  Select 
Rajas or some Purusaha operating on their own enthusiastic initiative?
Just wondering.

JGD,
-D in FF  



> 
> > 
> > 
> > > >
> > > > Om, thanks for the clarification.  What part of the official
> > > > Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling
> > > > these things?  Maharishi University of Management, The David
> > > > Lynch Foundation,  The Indian TM movement,  The TM Global
> > > > Country with its Rajas,  Raja Emmanuel and Bevan?  John Hagelin?
> > > 
> > > Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my
> > > previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out
> > > the definition of one term, "MERU." That stands
> > > for Maharishi European Research University, the
> > > official home of the TM movement in Holland.
> > > Here is what it looks like:
> > > 
> > 
> > Thanks,  it looks all very interlocking.
> > I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that 
> > level.  Are they not included anymore? 
> > 
> > 
> > >  
> > > [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\
> > > nd_(thumbnail).jpg]
> > > 
> > > And here's an interesting Web page that talks about
> > > a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same
> > > non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in
> > > my clarification post.
> > > 
> > > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\
> > > s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\
> > > index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\
> > > 35435&usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=&h=442&w=273&sz=17&hl=en&start=5\
> > > &um=1&tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\
> > > olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
> > >  > > ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\
> > > /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\
> > > 735435&usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=&h=442&w=273&sz=17&hl=en&start=\
> > > 5&um=1&tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\
> > > Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1>
> > > 
> > > Thank you for helping me to clear up all these
> > > misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion
> > > or promoting religious practices.
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and
> > > > > terms used in this announcement:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Betreff:  time of upcoming Pujas in Holland
> > > > >
> > > > > Pūjā (Devanagari 
> > > :
> > > > > पूजा) (alternative transliteration
> > > > >   Pooja
> > > > >  , Sanskrit
> > > > >  : reverence
> > > > >  , honour
> > > > >  , adoration
> > > > >  , or worship
> > > > >  ) is a ceremony of gratitude
> > > or a
> > > > > religious   ritual
> > > > >   performed as an offering to
> > > > > various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is
> > > done on
> > > > > a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the
> > > home,
> > > > > to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity
> > > or
> > > > > important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here are the likely starting times (Holland time)
> > > > > >of Rashtra Geet at the beginning
> > > > > > of the upcoming grand global Pujas:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h
> > > > >
> > > > > Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- "It is common
> > > > > practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari
> > > seeking
> > > > > his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others." -
> > > > > Wikipedia):
> > > > >   [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif]
> > > > >
> > > > > > 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h
> > > > >
> > > > > Hanuman (personification of bhakti
> > > 
> > > > > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[Vaj]

On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:

I can barely touch on it, but Medicare has to get control over drug  
costs and be allowed to bargain on drug prices. In large part  
economists are telling me that things are expensive in the US simply  
because they can be. But we aren't a country like Japan, willing to  
address cost by having a system where government decides how much  
will be paid for x,y or z.



Bravo. A major point for me. Come to downeast Maine and watch the  
seniors lining up on buses to go to New Brunswick for meds at 30% of  
what Big Pharm is charging here. Worse: watch congress outlaw Canadian  
pharm purchases. Even worse: watch a small town physician who has  
prescriptive authority in Canada get railroaded via Big Pharm into a  
possible jail sentences for getting her patients Canadian drug prices  
and watch her be dragged across the headlines--and of course lose her  
medical license. News at 11.


Welcome to the United Corpocracy of America. Don't touch drug prices,  
don't let us stop the oh so profitable wars, don't let us stop  
outsourcing. Woe to those who get in the way.


It's pretty hard to reform the henhouse when the fox is still in charge!

Re: [FairfieldLife] [Is Rush Limbaugh Break Down Real?'or fake?]

[Vaj]

Do a Google of "Jeff Christie" and let us know what you find, OK?


On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Robert wrote:


Since Rush limbo is so evil, I was thinking...

That his 'Alleged Nervous Breakdown'...

Is this just one more, clever mask, or the 'evil doer'...

Tell us what you think...

We Report, You Decide!'

Roberto De Verona

[FairfieldLife] Re: Balloon Boy: 'I Thought I'd Get in Trouble'

[ShempMcGurk]

If there had been a reference point to compare the balloon to during its flight 
this afternoon that many of us were transfixed to and people could have had an 
idea how big the actual balloon was, they would have seen that that size 
balloon could have successfully lifted maybe a rabbit and that's it.  To lift a 
50 pound boy, you'd need, literally, fifty balloons that size.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The 6-year-old Colorado boy feared to have floated off in a helium balloon 
> appeared with his family in front of their home soon after the boy was found 
> safe in the attic.
> 
> Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6b02AGWkps
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US

[WillyTex]

> > > Why can't the Europeans defend themselves?
> > >
nablusoss1008 wrote: 
> We certainly can, but the americans bully the 
> Europeans into their silly wars. 
> 
There was nothing silly about the war in Kosovo,
WW I, or WW II. Without American help, you'd all
be speaking German by now, or Russian.

> What is the North ATLANTIC Treaty Organisation 
> doing in the deserts of Iraq and Afgahanistan?
>
Uh, because NATO members all agreed that if one 
got attacked they would all help defend the one 
that got attacked?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Early American Yogic Flying

[dhamiltony2k5]

> 
> Also like with the shakers, getting to a point in their own long dwindling 
> where they had to hire in outsiders to do the work of the community to have 
> enough vitality remaining for the few old Shakers remaining to carry on 
> inside.  Not unlike the TMorg and MUM now hiring contract workers to run the 
> kitchens, plant the gardens, cut the grass, do the laundry and even come to 
> the domes to make the meetings larger. 
> 
> 

Again,
as it was before in the 19th Century, so it seems has come again with the TM 
iteration:

"In the early days,  held themselves strictly in the 
line of spiritual influx.  They were the fountain of spiritual supply, the 
power centre of spiritual force.  For many years, increasingly, as numbers have 
diminished, have places of temporal care and responsibility fallen back upon 
the hands of these Spiritual Leaders, and these places are being filled by 
.  A vessel can be no more than full.  When temporal burdens of 
this nature must be borne, the spiritual gift, of necessity, depreciates."


> > > And they are a good example in their decline for how it may 
> > > go for TM after MMY with the TMmovement.  
> > 
> > By 1920 there were only 12 Shakers left in
> > the United States. Is this really how you
> > see the TMO?  :-)
> 
> Shakers as example.   Well, not dissimilar.  A TM-like movement in their day 
> that was alive for decades.  Parallel, the Transcendental Meditation movement 
> with a million meditators, 30k teacher "exponents of reality",  also a 
> rending down to some few.  
> 
> May be 12 hundreds left in the TM movement by the time they tried a 
> jump-start again with the recent Invincibility course from that recent summer 
> of the Lebanon civil war breaking out.  The whole Transcendental Meditation 
> movement numbers had dwindled down to a very few hundreds by then.  Is proly 
> a ratio not even unlike with the Shaker decline in time by example.  Even 
> evident in transcendental meditation `dome numbers' today.  
> 
> Also like with the shakers, getting to a point in their own long dwindling 
> where they had to hire in outsiders to do the work of the community to have 
> enough vitality remaining for the few old Shakers remaining to carry on 
> inside.  Not unlike the TMorg and MUM now hiring contract workers to run the 
> kitchens, plant the gardens, cut the grass, do the laundry and even come to 
> the domes to make the meetings larger. 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > 19th Century Yogic Levitation
> > 
> > Nothing is new under the sun.
> > 
> > Group Flying (19th Century America)
> > "Sometimes the hands are raised, palms outwards, and the position shifted 
> > with such quickness and velocity as to indicate the lively, sweet and 
> > beautiful motions of the heavenly spirits, in all the charms of heavenly 
> > beauty, untainted with the flesh.  Sometimes the subjects of these 
> > operations are taken from the floor, as if their feet were snatched from  
> > under them, and they are again caught and supported from falling, as being 
> > handled by the most active and powerful agents.  Some are whirled off to a 
> > distance and others carried to and fro, or in a circle, with indescribable 
> > force…"
> > 
> > "Jemima Blanchard, of Harvard, having a gift of turning, would sometimes go 
> > from the Square House to the South House, whirling rapidly and passing over 
> > fences or whatever came in her way, without touching them or making the 
> > least effort to clear them. At times she would be entirely supported by the 
> > power without touching any material thing."
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthers and Birthers

[WillyTex]

> > So, you voted for Obama without ever seeing his original
> > birth certificate. You don't know whether or not Obama
> > was natural born, born in Kenya, or a space alien. And
> > you've never seen Obama's original birth certificate.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> Willy, have you ever seen ANY presidents birth certificate?
> 
I've never seen the original because it obviously doesn't 
exist. If it did, it would have been posted on the internet 
by now. Apparently nobody on the planet has ever seen the
origianl birth certificate of Barack Obama. 

> And heck if he actually was from Kenya all that would mean 
> is it's better to get our presidents from Kenya than from 
> Texas. 
>
Article II - Section I - Clause 5 of the US Constitution 
requires that ONLY a "natural born citizen" hold the office 
of President. How can you be born in Kenya with your relatives standing around, 
and at the same time be born in the U.S.A.?

> Maybe it's something in the water down there or Kenyans are 
> just genetically superior. But 17% vs. 71%--what else do ya 
> need to know?
> 
So, you've never seen Obama's birth certificate, yet you
voted for him without even understanding what the U.S. 
Constitution says. Go figure.

"The US Senate in 2008 unanimously proclaimed that John McCain 
was a "natural born citizen" of the Unites States of America, 
based upon the well-known fact that BOTH of his parents were 
indeed legal citizens of the United States at the time of 
John's birth."

Read more:

'How Crazy are those Birthers?'
http://tinyurl.com/yfsqgb7

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[WillyTex]

Vaj wrote:
> It's pretty hard to reform the henhouse when the 
> fox is still in charge!
>
So, Obama isn't in charge of the henhouse? I thought
the buck stopped at his desk. I guess you missed RD's
post explaining the secret drug deal Obama made with 
PhArma.

"As recently as Wednesday, Billy Tauzin, president of 
the PhRMA, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers 
of America, had all but threatened to reverse the 
group's support for the health care overhaul if the 
White House did not affirm its commitment to cap the 
industry's costs at the agreed-upon $80 billion..."

'Obama Reverses Stand on Drug Industry Deal'
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
New York Times, August 7, 2009 
http://tinyurl.com/mkkmva

[FairfieldLife] Obama's War

[Vaj]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamaswar/

LINK

In a war that has lasted eight years, what is the way forward now?

---

Watch this video and then contact your representatives and write  
president Obama and your senators. Let them know how you feel. Call  
them on the phone and talk to their staffers. Demand a written  
response. Even if the senators and representatives are not from your  
state or district, realize they are spending YOUR tax money on a war  
you don't approve of!


Demand a safe withdrawal NOW!

Don't let George Bush's second failed war end up being Obama's war.  
Urge the careful withdrawal from Afghanistan NOW.

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: I voted no

[WLeed3]

-Original Message-
From: Orrin Hatch 
To: William Leed 
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14 pm
Subject: I voted no











William --

More spending... more government... more taxes... un-constitutional... 
mis-guided... rushed... unpopular... $1 trillion... 

Those are just a few of the phrases that describe the health care bill I voted 
against Tuesday.

Unfortunately, despite the fact that only 34%* of Americans support the 
Democrats' headlong rush toward this government takeover of our heath care, 
President Obama and his liberal allies are doubling-down in their efforts to 
impose this bill on us.

Will you help me stop the government takeover of our health care?

Let me be clear, what the Democrats are trying to jam down our throats is 
government control of our lives...

... through higher taxes, more government spending, federal government 
bureaucrats controlling our health care decisions and unconstitutional mandates 
enforced by the IRS.

I need your help to fight back!

To make matters worse, a study released Monday by PricewaterhouseCoopers found 
that the typical American family could pay $4,000 more for health insurance in 
2019 if the Democrats' health care bill is enacted -- meaning that the average 
family would pay $25,900 per year for insurance under the plan.

With Democrat leaders promising to force this so-called reform through Congress 
as soon as next week, we need to have the resources on hand to get the facts 
out about President Obama's health care agenda.

Please donate $25, $50, $100 or even $250 today to stop this government 
takeover.

Thank you for making your voice heard in this important debate.

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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: I voted no

[WLeed3]

-Original Message-
From: Orrin Hatch 
To: William Leed 
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14 pm
Subject: I voted no











William --

More spending... more government... more taxes... un-constitutional... 
mis-guided... rushed... unpopular... $1 trillion... 

Those are just a few of the phrases that describe the health care bill I voted 
against Tuesday.

Unfortunately, despite the fact that only 34%* of Americans support the 
Democrats' headlong rush toward this government takeover of our heath care, 
President Obama and his liberal allies are doubling-down in their efforts to 
impose this bill on us.

Will you help me stop the government takeover of our health care?

Let me be clear, what the Democrats are trying to jam down our throats is 
government control of our lives...

... through higher taxes, more government spending, federal government 
bureaucrats controlling our health care decisions and unconstitutional mandates 
enforced by the IRS.

I need your help to fight back!

To make matters worse, a study released Monday by PricewaterhouseCoopers found 
that the typical American family could pay $4,000 more for health insurance in 
2019 if the Democrats' health care bill is enacted -- meaning that the average 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthers and Birthers

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> > > So, you voted for Obama without ever seeing his original
> > > birth certificate. You don't know whether or not Obama
> > > was natural born, born in Kenya, or a space alien. And
> > > you've never seen Obama's original birth certificate.
> > >
> Vaj wrote:
> > Willy, have you ever seen ANY presidents birth certificate?
> > 
> I've never seen the original because it obviously doesn't 
> exist. If it did, it would have been posted on the internet 
> by now. Apparently nobody on the planet has ever seen the
> origianl birth certificate of Barack Obama. 
> 

Obama posted a certificate of live birth on the internet, not his actual birth 
certificate, which would have given us a lot more information, i.e. hospital, 
attending doctor etc. Obama was probably born in Hawaii but there might be 
information on his birth certificate he doesn't want us to see. Maybe there's 
information that would embarrass his family or information showing he was 
adopted by his mother's second husband.  I have no idea what he's hiding or 
why, but whatever it is, IMO he was born in the USA and not Kenya.  

> > And heck if he actually was from Kenya all that would mean 
> > is it's better to get our presidents from Kenya than from 
> > Texas. 
> >
> Article II - Section I - Clause 5 of the US Constitution 
> requires that ONLY a "natural born citizen" hold the office 
> of President. How can you be born in Kenya with your relatives standing 
> around, and at the same time be born in the U.S.A.?
> 
> > Maybe it's something in the water down there or Kenyans are 
> > just genetically superior. But 17% vs. 71%--what else do ya 
> > need to know?
> > 
> So, you've never seen Obama's birth certificate, yet you
> voted for him without even understanding what the U.S. 
> Constitution says. Go figure.
> 
> "The US Senate in 2008 unanimously proclaimed that John McCain 
> was a "natural born citizen" of the Unites States of America, 
> based upon the well-known fact that BOTH of his parents were 
> indeed legal citizens of the United States at the time of 
> John's birth."
> 
> Read more:
> 
> 'How Crazy are those Birthers?'
> http://tinyurl.com/yfsqgb7
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> > It's pretty hard to reform the henhouse when the 
> > fox is still in charge!
> >
> So, Obama isn't in charge of the henhouse? I thought
> the buck stopped at his desk. I guess you missed RD's
> post explaining the secret drug deal Obama made with 
> PhArma.
> 

You're getting your presidents mixed up WillyTex. The buck stopped at Truman's 
desk. Obama just passes the buck.  http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm

> "As recently as Wednesday, Billy Tauzin, president of 
> the PhRMA, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers 
> of America, had all but threatened to reverse the 
> group's support for the health care overhaul if the 
> White House did not affirm its commitment to cap the 
> industry's costs at the agreed-upon $80 billion..."
> 
> 'Obama Reverses Stand on Drug Industry Deal'
> By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
> New York Times, August 7, 2009 
> http://tinyurl.com/mkkmva
>

[FairfieldLife] Gallup: "Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama"

[raunchydog]

Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination to
Barack Obama, but in one respect she now ranks ahead of Obama. The
president's current favorable rating of 56% is down 22 percentage points
since January. Over the same time span, Clinton's favorable rating has
changed little, and now, at 62%, it exceeds Obama's.


Greg Sargent, who was one of the few rational voices at TPM (the only?)
when the WKJM era began, writes this:
More interesting, I think, is that Hillary's current favorability rating
of 62% is now among her highest ever
 , rivaled only by her popularity amid impeachment in the late 1990s.
Hillary's swings in image and popularity over the years really are truly
remarkable, as longtime Hillary-watchers know. After the Hillarycare
debacle and the various "scandals" to best the Clintons in the mid 1990s
- may of which were fictions kept alive by the mainstream press - her
popularity nose dived and she became a figure that stoked intensely
partisan passions across the country. [...]

Now she's hugely popular again, having carved out a role as a
tough-minded Secretary of State who's also a low-profile and dutiful
team player. All of which is to say that Hillary seems at her best when
she's more of a policy workhorse and in a less overtly political role -
yet another argument supporting the notion that she has no intention
whatsoever of running for President.

As was obvious to all clear thinking people all along, after being
subjected to VWRC and pro-Obama fauxgressive smear campaigns, Hillary's
approval could only go up when people saw her in action. With Obama, the
opposite is true: the Obama marketed to the world could never live up to
expectations; the real Obama is the one we've seen on FISA, TARP, Iraq,
Afghanistan and healthcare.

Everyone knew this a year an and a half ago, but the party took this
information and created a new identity that jettisoned sticking up for
regular people. It now prefers to serve those who are in office rather
than advance the lives of people who need a little help.
Gallup: "Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama"

by: Pacific John

Thu Oct 15, 2009